1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to episode three thirty eight. You're gonna love 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Sarah Buxton. She is a singer songwriter with multiple number 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,159 Speaker 1: ones and also multiple number two's. We talked about that 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: and how frustrating, still amazing, frustrating in the best way 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: to have two massive songs they go to number two. 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: She just put out an EP called Moon Riser and Rain, 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: like this is such a good song. Here you go. 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: She's written songs for F G Al, Chris Lane, Keith Urban. 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that. From Kansas and you know, classic 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: small town America story traveled with the band. She was 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: nominated for a Big Artist Awards up against a major 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: star and I mean major, like a plus list star 13 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: in one of these It's it's good and you're just 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: gonna like her and her attitude and you know it 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,319 Speaker 1: brings a great perspective and I've just been a fan 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: for a long time. So, without any further ado, you 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: here is Sarah Buxton at So all right, we're here 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: with Sarah Buxton. Which I have a couple of questions 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: I was thinking about before you came over. I'm gonna 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: get to them in a second. Before we get to 21 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: the traditional type you know, get to know your stuff. 22 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: But I think the last time that I saw you 23 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: was maybe you were in with Dustin Lynch early in 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: the morning. I just remember early. For me it was 25 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: it's late for lunch. For you, maybe early, but you 26 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: have that creative you know. I don't know. You sleep 27 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: later than I do. Probably I I'm both. I I 28 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: do the early morning thing, and I also like I 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: like mornings and evenings. I don't like mornings. I if 30 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: I have five days off, I'm back to sleeping. My 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: natural clock is eleven am to wake up. That's my 32 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: natural clock. And I and I can go to sleep 33 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: at two or three in the morning and it just 34 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: feels great. So that's what my body is supposed to do. 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: I think we all have different clocks. Now. I have 36 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: to wake up at three thirty four, and I've been 37 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: doing it since I was twenty two, so for a 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: long time, and I'm still not used to it, and 39 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: I will never get used to it. It's not what 40 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to do. And when I meet somebody was like, 41 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: I love waking up at four o'clock and having a 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: coffee and exercising. That's like you're speaking Mandarin to me. 43 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: Totally don't understand it. Well. I think I got into 44 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: it when I had kids and they started going to 45 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: school and it was like that rush before school. I 46 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: was like, how can I do this where I'm not 47 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: immediately fulfilling a role for someone like first thing in 48 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: the morning, because that sucks. I want to be a 49 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: person with my own thoughts, in my own way of 50 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: being in the world before I become mom. So do 51 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: you not have to wake up as early anymore? I've 52 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: been getting up at seven? Okay? I mean I like 53 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: getting up at five because I go for a super 54 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: long run and I can like meditate and like you 55 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: like getting up at five, I do like it, but 56 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I'm staying up late. I'm hanging 57 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: with friends. I have like a nightlife now because I've 58 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 1: gone through divorce. My life is a little different now. 59 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: You know you when you came in, you were singing 60 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: the background vocals for Dustin Lynch, and it just escapes 61 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: me what song it was. But did you also write 62 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: this song or did you just sing on it? Because 63 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: people love you for all different reasons, and it's crazy. 64 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: They may call you to sing or they you may 65 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: write right exactly I am calling in more vocal sessions, 66 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: Like that's something that I specifically said out loud like 67 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: a month ago, and I've gotten called to sing on 68 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: like three or four different records this last month. So 69 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: it's like a God universe thing saying yes, you should 70 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: be doing that. Um, do you believe that you put 71 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: it out there therefore it's happening? Did you allow it 72 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: to be heard by others? And they knew? Like, how 73 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: do you explain that? Well? I didn't grow up in 74 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: a religious home, but my grandmother, you know, was men 75 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,839 Speaker 1: a night and my grandpa was like a preacher's son, 76 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: and so both of she married an atheist and he 77 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: just didn't ever like send his kids to church. But 78 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: lots of like Christian you know values are instilled in 79 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: my family just because of the way that they were raised. 80 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: But I really wasn't. My dad was an atheist my 81 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: whole life until he was like diagnosed with cancer last year, 82 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: which totally changed everything, and he got way into Ramdas 83 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: and got into um the soul. You know, how did 84 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 1: you feel about that? When he was obviously something traumatic 85 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: was happening, but he was not the cancer part. But 86 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: what happened because that he started to have a fundamental change. Well, 87 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: it's been great for me. They used to drop me 88 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: off at church, like when I was little, they would 89 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: like drop me off. He'd be like, does this bother you? 90 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: They were just like dropping you off. And I was 91 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: just drawn to it. I've always been drawn to spirituality, 92 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: so um, so that was zing from me when this happened. Obviously, 93 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: there was a lot of pain and there was a 94 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: lot of grief around like my hero the superhero, like 95 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: getting cancer and like crying to me on the phone 96 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: and you know, talking about death and all these different things. 97 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: And but really it transformed my family. It definitely transformed 98 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: my dad and my relationship with him. Um. Which was 99 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: amazing because it happened at the very same time as 100 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: my divorce, so it was almost like this one man 101 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: was like leaving my life and then the O g 102 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: like my original man coming coming back in with all 103 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: this intimate, amazing conversation. And I can't remember why we 104 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: started talking about that. What was I saying? What I 105 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: was asking was do you feel like that you put 106 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: it into or do you feel like you literally just 107 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: said to people, hey, if something comes open, I think 108 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: it's both. I put it on Instagram, so you kind 109 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: of got that. What do you put on Instagram? Though? Like, 110 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: how do you say that? How do you how do 111 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: you say that? I took a picture of me with 112 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,119 Speaker 1: my new rig sitting at my desk, and I said, Hey, 113 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: call your girl if you want some bucksty sprinkles on 114 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: your music. Like I look at myself, like I just 115 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: love collaborating. I mean, it was always hard for me 116 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: to be an artist, um, because so much of it 117 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: is about branding, which I really have to work hard 118 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: to like get in that mindset. Like I really love 119 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: just collaboration. I love the the making of it so much, 120 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: and then when it comes time to like package it, 121 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: I have to try really hard to like stay focused. Um. 122 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: But um, that's what I love about the way that 123 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: my career has worked out, is like it's turned out. 124 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: There's all these different facets of it, and I now 125 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: I'm releasing my own music again, and I'm not scared 126 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: of I would. I would welcome anyone that wants to 127 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: come into my life and help me branded. That's not 128 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: what I'm good at. But I love putting the music 129 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: out and I love singing on other people's music, and 130 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 1: I love writing songs with people. The best thing about 131 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: being a songwriter is like you could be in this 132 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: mode in the morning, in this right and then in 133 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: the evening go being a totally different zone and you 134 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: don't have to be so attached to it being anything. 135 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: I just like the the cornucopia of different collaborations, you know. 136 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: Speaking to that a friend of mine, Eric Passley, who 137 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: was just a wonderful writer, he's a great artist, and 138 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: you did a song with him, and I remember seeing 139 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: what was the name of that song, Well, we have 140 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: it right, yeah, but I remember you distinctly singing on 141 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: here's the clip up right here, yeah, heartbeat higher. Yeah. 142 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: So and that's what I meant. That's like, I never 143 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: know how you've been involved in a project, like you 144 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: will come in and sing with Dustin and then written 145 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: this song and then you're so I but I think 146 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: that's probably with you being like me, Like I have 147 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: a lot of things that I try to do and 148 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: try to do them well. But that's just the fulfillment 149 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: for me is to be in a lot of places 150 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: because I need to be stretched and doing different things 151 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: that I get bored very easily, so do I. So, Yeah, 152 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: I like to be pushed, And the best way to 153 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: get pushed is to really like let someone into the 154 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: process that has a different process. That's how I look 155 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: at it. Like the new I'm working on some new 156 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: music with an acoustic guitar. Well, he plays all kinds 157 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: of stuff, but he's a guitar player and he approaches 158 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: things from a different place than I do. And I 159 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: just love inviting people that I'm like, bring your whole 160 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: self to this, like push me like beyond my normal boundaries. 161 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: And it's just that's to me, the best way to 162 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: learn all the different things that you can do. You know, 163 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: you have a nightlife, now you have a new et 164 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: you But we're going to go through a lot of this. 165 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: But what I want to talk about first is I 166 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: program a national all weekend show called the Women of 167 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: Our Country and I played your song reign like this 168 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: on our Women of Our Country show. And here's a 169 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: clip of that right here. So it isn't going away 170 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: this fun. Maybe I can never stay load this, honey. 171 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: You can keep your hands because it feels solm to know. 172 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: So you've never gone to change as it duds run 173 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: down my face, But it isn't gone away. Laugh far. So, 174 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: with you being such a prolific songwriter, should I assume 175 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: that you wrote these songs arts so that your voice 176 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: your your voice and your voice my voice and yeah, 177 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: both voices. I love that. Yeah, so you're your double 178 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: voice in these Yeah, exactly with that track. I heard it, 179 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: And I think we all relate to our own story 180 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: inside of whatever story you're sharing. Meaning I know the 181 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: this is your personal story. But I think what is 182 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: universal is is it always gonna reign like this? We 183 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: always feel like that at some point and not just 184 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: some point over and over again. It's a constant battle 185 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: that we're going through, Like, man, this kind of sucks 186 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: right now? Is it always gonna suck like this? How 187 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: do I not have it suck like this? Is it? Me? 188 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: Is it? I think it's a it's an internal struggle. 189 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: So when I heard the song, it struck me because 190 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: I felt, wow, first of all, a great song. It 191 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: sounds great. He sounds great obviously, But tell me about 192 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: writing this song and just where you were in your 193 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: life and even in that room when you sat down 194 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: to write it. Well, this was right that I wrote 195 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: this about three weeks after I told my husband that 196 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: I didn't want to be married anymore. So I had 197 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: moved into a different room in the house and the 198 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: kids didn't know at the time. Um, and it just sucked. 199 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: I mean I never you know, nobody's divorced in my family. 200 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: This is actually my second divorce. I'll be honest. I 201 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: was married for like three months when I was twenty one. 202 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: So I mean it doesn't thank you, Okay, thank you, 203 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: but technically if you look it up, you know it's 204 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: in there. But UM, it just was awful and um, 205 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: you know to me, like when I had no idea 206 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: that my dad at the time had cancer. And so 207 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: the story I'm kind of going forward a little past 208 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: the time that I wrote it. Um, but I've had 209 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: to really learn how to like feel really hard feelings 210 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: I am. I tend to like really avoid pain, and UM, 211 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: I avoid like I've avoided, you know, getting out of 212 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: this marriage for a really long time because I just 213 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: didn't want to feel how I thoroughly actually felt underneath, 214 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: and so kind of going into those things. I've learned 215 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: how to cry, like really cry like a baby, and 216 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: I've learned how to Um. I guess they say in 217 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: that book what non violent communication, They say, like you 218 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: need like ninety seconds of like pure emotion to like 219 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: fully process what you're feeling. But um, I've never heard that. Yeah, 220 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: I don't know that I've ever experienced ninety seconds of 221 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: pure emotion. I'm like you, I don't. I think I 222 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: had so much trauma as a kid that I and 223 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: i've after we finished this half an hour after therapy today, 224 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: and what we deal with and it's just funny to 225 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: bring that up is I never get too higher too low, 226 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: which allows which doesn't allow me to feel the highs 227 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: because I refuse to feel the lows. Smart, I mean, 228 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: like much respect because yeah, well I don't I would 229 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: let myself think high. I don't, Okay, go ahead, I would. 230 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: I mean I've always been I mean I am a 231 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, I've been diagnosed. I don't think I have 232 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: manic depression. I don't think I am bipolar. I've been 233 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: like diagnosed by people that would like say that I'm 234 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: not manic depressive. I'm not even depressed. I'm not I 235 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: don't have bipolar. So so so I just didn't know how 236 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: to feel my feelings. And I needed to eat a sandwich, 237 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: and I needed sleep and water. So there was things 238 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: like at that time, those times in my life. But 239 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm not in my twenties anymore, and 240 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: just now I'm now I'm like okay to me like this, 241 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: And and once I started feeling, I'm like, when is 242 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: this going to end? Like? Will I keep crying like this? Like? Well, 243 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: I was this just gonna go on and on? And 244 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: the answer is no, because you do process the feeling 245 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: and you do make decisions that and make you start 246 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: to change your life and you start to make choices 247 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: and realize this person just constantly makes me feel this 248 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: way and it's okay, it's not unloving to detach myself 249 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: from that situation. Um, I'm curious when you write a 250 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: song like this if because you mentioned and I struggle 251 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: with that too, feeling you know, ninety seconds feels like 252 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: an eternity and that's just like a year. I mean wow, 253 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: When you said that, I was like, I've never heard 254 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: that before, and it feels like ten minutes whenever you 255 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: write a song that is. And I'm not gonna stand 256 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: this song the whole, the whole you know interview here, 257 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: but this song touched me and that's why I grabbed it. 258 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: Was like, wait, let me just play it. But I 259 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: wonder because I struggle with communication, being extremely vulnerable with 260 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: people and feeling emotion unless there's some sort of i'm 261 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: gonna call it a facade of a microphone in front 262 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: of me. If I'm on a stage and I'm doing 263 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: a motivational talk, I can go into places that I 264 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: could not if these microphones were not in front of us. 265 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: Right now, I could never have this conversation with you, 266 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: and it's you know what, it's a real conversation. But 267 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: because I have like a my Clark can't glasses here 268 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: with this microphone, you can't really it feels like, well, 269 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: I still can't really tell who I am. And I 270 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: wonder when you write a song like this and you 271 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: talk about struggling with emotion, already you in that room 272 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: the same way I do a microphone where it's like 273 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: this is safe. Yeah, it doesn't matter how deep you go. 274 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: I can go places here that I can't go other places. 275 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: So I wrote this with Maddie Diaz and Kate York, 276 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: who are two of my best friends, and it was 277 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: coming out of which I had no creative outlet really, 278 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: but I mean I had like a garden and like 279 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: that but like, um, I mean like I had some 280 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: creative outlets, but like in cooking, but there was no 281 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: in person rights. And I was in Idaho with my family, 282 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: which I do every summer, and I was just like, 283 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: I want to make music here this place where I 284 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: feel so at home in nature, and so I invited 285 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: them up and we got this cabin and Fisher Creek 286 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: in Idaho, and and to me, that was the thing, 287 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: was like we were out in nature. We were like 288 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: sitting around a fire. Everybody was like barefoot, just in swimsuits, 289 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: just fat roles, hanging out. Nobody cares like everybody's just 290 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: hanging hiking, smell, you know, taking naps every but it 291 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: was just relaxed. And it was on that trip that 292 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: I actually realized that I needed to get this divorce, 293 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: Like this is has to happen now, and it was 294 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: really hard to wrap my mind around it. But we 295 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: were so at home with each other. I mean, I 296 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: don't feel I feel so myself with these girls, Like 297 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: it was so honest and they were just so supportive 298 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: and that the song just was really intimate the project. 299 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: And we'll get back to it. It's called Moon Riser, 300 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: so you can find all all five tracks there. And 301 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: I'll ask this quickly because I do want to get 302 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: into kind of the origin story of you in here, 303 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: and then we come back to this. But why moon riser? 304 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: Every night? That was like the main event. Like we 305 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: would have like a rhythm of the day. We'd hike 306 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: in the morning and then start writing around twelve or so, 307 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: eleven twelve, we'd write a couple of songs. That afternoon, 308 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: we would take a quick nap. Everybody would like get up, 309 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: maybe shower, but we would like start a fire, maybe shower, 310 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: like start a fire, kind of get dinner, going, eat dinner, 311 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: and like start writing. And but when the moon would 312 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: start rising, we'd be like, oh, she's coming up, She's 313 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: coming up. And just imagine over this ridge with these 314 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: all these dead trees. They have all these dead trees. 315 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 1: I don't know whether actually there's a Japanese beetle that's 316 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: why they're dead. But like the moon would come up 317 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: and we would just be like whoa, you know, just 318 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: like howl at it, and just it was like the 319 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: moment of our of our night. And we didn't know 320 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: what these songs were for. We weren't necessarily writing them 321 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: for an EP for me. We're just like writing. Were 322 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: they all written in this? Actually there was two trips. 323 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: There was one in Idaho and then there was another 324 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: one outside us. It was a signal mountain, same vibe, people, 325 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: same people, same thing, watching the moon rise, screaming at it, 326 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: yelling at it. Fire. Nobody, nobody died, nobody got eaten 327 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: by a wolf. Nothing, nobody got eaten by a victory itself. 328 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: No one of us came back and decided to get 329 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: a divorce. But that was all the damage that was done. 330 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: Growing up in Kansas? And did you grow up in 331 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: Lawrence or near Lawrence? I grew up in Lawrence. Have 332 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: you been to Lawrence? I have because I've played a 333 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: couple of shows in the school. Yeah. Yeah, because of 334 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: the University of Kansas. It is a cool town. So 335 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: but Kansas is KU. Yeah yeah, Kentucky is UK. Kansas 336 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: is k You did you? Are you a Jayhawk fan? Hell? Yeah? Okay? 337 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: So are you? Do you know that they're about to 338 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: play in a couple of days. By the time this 339 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: has heard, they're playing this you know this weekend or 340 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: the number one seas Oh my gosh, how do you 341 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: feel about that? I feel really good about it. It's 342 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: good to know. Well, my my family is always pretty down. 343 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: At the beginning of the season, everybody's like, oh, they 344 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: look horrible, you know, and everybody's like so down about it. 345 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: But then as things go on, I mean, we're really 346 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: lucky to have Why Lawrence, Kansas, Like why why did 347 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: your parents have you and have the family in Lawrence Camps. Well, 348 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: my mother was born there, my grant her parents grew 349 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: up in Neudora, which is just outside of Lawrence, but 350 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: they raised their kids in Lawrence. And my dad grew 351 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: up in Ransom, Kansas in Western Kansas, and he went 352 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: to KU And so my parents were both at KU 353 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: student teachings What's in your Blood and they met camping. 354 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: They went out like camping and they fell in love. Like, 355 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's in my blood. Did you go to 356 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: school there at all? Or did you just move off 357 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: and start being creative? Um? I did not go to 358 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: school there. I came to Belmont, Okay, so you had 359 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: you moved off to be creative. I mean Belmont is 360 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: a school where if you're going to do music almost 361 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I understand that because I am 362 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: a die hard Arkansas Razor bake fan. I'm from Arkansas. 363 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 1: That's all we have. We don't have a protein. The Kansas. 364 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: They the Royals kind of split that with but they 365 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: would always lose. The Royals only started winning recently, and 366 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: same with the Chiefs, like it was just not the 367 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: best and like, hey, you, so you moved to Belmont 368 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: and I couldn't go to the University of Arkansas because 369 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: I was already working. I had to chase me and 370 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: it would hurt me so bad to not go to 371 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: school there because I had loved and adored but I 372 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: had to go and chase this dream. So you moved 373 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: to Nashville and you you you come to Belmont, But 374 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: why Belmont? Like what did you think you were going 375 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: to do by going to school in Nashville? Well, I 376 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: actually wanted to go to Berkeley in Boston and my 377 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: mom was like, no, it's too close to New York City. 378 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: And basically I don't trust you. Were you were you 379 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: a troubled kids? Know? I was like, I was actually 380 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: most honorable senior and my I don't know why she didn't. 381 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: I think she was just maybe it wasn't that she 382 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: didn't trust me. Okay, okay, I'm gonna be completely honest 383 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: with you right now. Okay. I something happened to me 384 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: in high school, Like a group of girls really broke 385 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: my heart. We're good now, we've all made up, but 386 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: they really broke my heart, and um it changed me. 387 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: Like that was kind of when I became a songwriter. 388 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: And like, I don't know how to say this other 389 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: than it was dark. It really hurt me, like big time, 390 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: and I questioned everything about my life. Um, I had 391 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: grown up like I was like such a good kid. 392 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: I was a people pleaser, like in grade school, and 393 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: I did go through something like when I was in 394 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: junior high I had like severe pretty severe anorexia. Um 395 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: so I've been through some things. But by the time 396 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: I got into high school, I mean I had like 397 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: a great time. I was in a cross country, I 398 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: was in band, I was inquired, and I was like 399 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: getting good grades and I had the best boyfriend ever, 400 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: Like he was such a great guy, you know, no 401 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: trouble there. But then that happened and I was just 402 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: like okay, everything from the clothes that I was wearing 403 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: to just my approach to life. I honestly feel like 404 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: it brought me into my artistry. I know that sounds 405 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 1: kind of crazy, but it was a catalyst. And um, 406 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: in college is when I really started exploring the wilder 407 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: side of life. And I guess I asked that because 408 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: maybe your mom was just super protective coming from Kansas. 409 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: Maybe it was New York City. She was afraid of 410 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: more than you going to more than me, because me 411 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: growing up in Arkansas, we were scared of it. That 412 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: wasn't a real place. That was a place on TV exactly. 413 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: So you you moved to Nashville, seems safer. Anyway. I 414 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: wasn't interested in singing country music, and so Berkeley was 415 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: more appealing to me. And when I first moved to Nashville, 416 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: I was really interested in like more rock and roll 417 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: because you did like a southern rock. I had a 418 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: jam b did you? Was it jams? And you did 419 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: new new songs, original original songs. Was original songs and 420 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: no and cover songs. And we were kind of um 421 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: doing it the way like Widespread Panic had done. It 422 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: was the that's what I hear. Oh God, it was 423 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: like I had a gym bay. I had like velvet 424 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: tide eyed skirts and like a gym bay, and like 425 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: bills around my ankles, and I mean it was fun. 426 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: We had so much fun. Traveling group of folks was 427 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: quite the scene. Oh, it was so much fun. We 428 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: played frat parties and like old miss and we went 429 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: to Arkansas. We played in Fayetteville and like it was 430 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: this southeast. What was the goal with that though? It 431 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: was to grow and to be part of that of 432 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: that scene. It was never to have like necessarily like 433 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: radio songs. It was all about the jam. It was 434 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: all about the show and like the energy and the connection. 435 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: But my voice just got tired of screaming and singing 436 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: that loud over two drum sets. And like you had 437 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: two drummers, I had two drummers. Yeah, and um, but 438 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: that's like some Doobie Brothers type stuff. It was Allman Brothers, 439 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: Dubie Brothers, UM. And we covered Almond Brothers and Dubie Brothers. 440 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: But um. Then one day in a dressing room here, 441 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: Eva Cassidy was playing in a UM. Are you in 442 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: college while this is happening? I was in college. Actually 443 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: I dropped out. I only went to Beaumont for basically 444 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: like a year before this story. You went for a year. 445 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: I just want to know why you went with the 446 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: intention to study what um just vocal performance and it 447 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: wasn't and it was very classical, So I wasn't getting 448 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: very good. It wasn't the country and it was classical. 449 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: It was classical, and it was very like. They let 450 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: me in on probation because they could tell I had 451 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: some rasp in my voice and that they were concerned about. 452 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: So it was always like, what does that mean? Promation 453 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: like you're going to jail if you suck, Like we're 454 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: gonna let you in, but if you don't do well. Right, 455 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't called probable and the music penitentiary. Yeah wait, 456 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: maybe it had another name, like we'll see how this 457 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: goes with her name. Yeah, maybe I don't know. You're 458 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: you're okay, So let's go back to where you were. 459 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: So you're you're touring, You're in a room. Who did 460 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: you run into? So I heard an Eva Cassidy song 461 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: and she is I don't know, okay, you gotta check 462 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: her out. She's incredible. She's no longer living. She had 463 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: I think melanoma and died really young, but she became 464 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: it was posthumus that she became famous. And she has 465 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: incredible records. I mean any of you listening should check out. 466 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: It's e v A Cassidy. I mean, she's incredible and 467 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: it's just the most pure voice, and she's an angel. 468 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: She's I don't know else to say it, she's just 469 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: an angel. And I was just trying on some clothes 470 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: in addressing room and it just stopped me in my tracks. 471 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, to the to the door, I'm like who 472 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: is this and they're like, this is Eva Cassidy. So 473 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: I went home and started listening to her music and 474 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: I was like, I am quitting this band. I just 475 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: wanted to hearing that vocal or do you remember what 476 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: it was? Remember the exact song or the record because 477 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: it was fields of Gold because you struck so much? 478 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's called um. It wasn't feel gold. It 479 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: was a founded picture. It's called um. Time is a healer, 480 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: like we find that? Please? If I hear this song, 481 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: then I decided to go into like wrote it management. 482 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be mad at mad at you. You may 483 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: me pivot my my career. Let's listen here the Burden 484 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: lit banger. It's the chorus that I love pay Do 485 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: you hear this and you're so struck? Why? What about 486 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: this spoke to you specifically the clarity in her voice. 487 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: I was pushing my voice so hard, and I just 488 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: loved the clarity in her voice and like the simplicity 489 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: of it. It was more song driven, and my other 490 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: songs with so Wicko we're jam driven. Still. Wickoka is 491 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: a pretty good name, though. Yeah, it was like it 492 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: was a fun thing. You know, you had put out 493 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: some songs yourself in the music world. Um, I want 494 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: to play for you in a sense, is from two 495 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: thousand six, he says, young. That was a top forty song. 496 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: This is a top thirty song. This is that kind 497 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: of Dave, It's time to s this is a this 498 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: is a number in the twenties. This is outside my 499 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: window two thousand nine. No, no long just a big 500 00:27:52,880 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: ring that. She doesn't sound Those were really hard years 501 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: for me. She doesn't It doesn't sound like I always 502 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: said back then. I was like, I was like, I 503 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: feel like I live five ft in front of my body. 504 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: I was never in my body. I was always like, 505 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: just like, let's go. Like I kind of had this. 506 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel a little vulnerable saying this, but 507 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say anyway, Um, I kind of felt 508 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: like country music. I looked at like what Keith Urban 509 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: was doing and like he was a huge expander from 510 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: me because it was like really good music, like Golden 511 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: Road obsessed, like it was just good music. And um, 512 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: I guess I had this feeling like if my music 513 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: was just good, that I would somehow get to a 514 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: place where I then could kind of do what I want. 515 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: I saw people just like I had no idea, like 516 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: how hard it was to have a hit. I just 517 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: had no idea. I guess I kind of didn't think 518 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: it was going to be that challenging, and I was wrong. 519 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: I think it goes back a bit too too, Like 520 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: you just I don't realize. I don't know if you 521 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: realize you said it, but you're like, you know, make 522 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: good music and then it all happens. But it's not 523 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: just about making good music. It's also the promotion. It's 524 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: also the stars aligning. I mean, and I always had 525 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: this feeling like wherever I would look like, oh my god, 526 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: they're aligning over there, run you know, to go over 527 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: where they are aligning, and like, okay, I'll go do that, 528 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: like rather than just being yourself and like seeing if 529 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: they align. But that's a more sustainable way. I think 530 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: to have a career doesn't mean you'll be successful, but 531 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: at least you'll be fulfilled. I've learned the same lesson 532 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: that I've tried it a lot of different ways, and 533 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: that if I continue to try in my most honest way, 534 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: even if I fail, I really lies that I was 535 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: at least me when I failed, which is way better 536 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: than failing when I wasn't exactly me, because then I'm going, man, 537 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: if I had have just been me, who knows. It's 538 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: the worst to fail when you're not being completely authentic. 539 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: It's the worst. It sucks to fail if it's you, 540 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: but you always but you realize, well, at least this 541 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: is me, this is my stuff. Yeah yeah, but it 542 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: really sucks whenever you weren't your exact true self and 543 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: it bombed and you're like, why did I do that? Right? 544 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: Do you feel that way with? It's awful? I hate 545 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: hearing it. I hate it if you tag it. If 546 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: somebody tags me and they're like, oh my god, like 547 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: Sarah Bucks, then outside my window and they put like 548 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: I would never post that on my stories, Like it's 549 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: such a it was such a hard time. Would you 550 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: if you were let's say you're playing a show, would 551 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: you play outside my Window? Never? No? Never again? Okay, well, 552 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: let me play this is Stupid Boy. This is on 553 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: your EP first two seven. That's now. I mean, we'll 554 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: talk about the massive success that song had with Keith Urban, 555 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: but when you hear that back, that's okay. I was 556 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: gonna ask that sound the same as the other song, right, 557 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: and it was treated differently on the record. We cut 558 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: it with no click track, which is something you would 559 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: never do if it was going to be a single. 560 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 1: So you had a little more freedom to to go 561 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: your own way, even in very small details. But you 562 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: weren't right on with how exactly supposed to be right now, 563 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: I'll say Innocence is a is one that I feel 564 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: like I was being more authentic to, like that's an 565 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: actual story and it's like so, but yeah, I'm with you, 566 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: like Stupid Boy was totally. There's just these songs that 567 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: are gifts. That's a kind of land and you don't 568 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: really remember. I mean, I can tell you, like the 569 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: beginning of how that song was written, but I'm curious 570 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: because you write it and then you put it on 571 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:14,479 Speaker 1: your record, and then did it until Keith Nicole and 572 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: we'll get to that story and a second until it 573 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: was discovered and redone like did it reach its peak? 574 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: It was just a song that you were proud of 575 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: that existed, and they kind of went away. Um, No, 576 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: I I felt that it was really special, like when 577 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: I for me, Like I I felt like it was 578 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: special for me. And then and then he heard it 579 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: like I I it was just special to me. I knew. 580 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: I knew the day that I wrote it. I was like, damn, 581 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: I love this song. It was like a new a 582 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: new thing for me. How did he hear it? Well, 583 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: Betsy uh Cook was her name at the time. Now 584 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: she has a different last name, and then her name 585 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: became Betsy mqugh. But um, she was working for Boorman, 586 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: Keith's manager at the time, and she's my age, really 587 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: good friend of mine, and we were just meeting. She 588 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: says that she played it for him on the bus. 589 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: And then I've heard Dan say that he played it 590 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: for Keith, So I'm not quite sure. We'd have to 591 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 1: ask Keith how we heard it. But I heard that 592 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: Betsy played it for him on the bus, and it 593 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: wasn't like do you want to cut this song. It 594 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: was like, we really want you to meet this girl, 595 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: because you know, it wasn't even about the song exactly, 596 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: it was about art. Yeah, and that was the song 597 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: she picked to play, So it wasn't the ones they 598 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: were thinking of as singles. It was like just the 599 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: one that she thought Keith would like. Well, imagine if 600 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: I had approached everything that way. But and the song 601 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: probably that she thought best represented you as a person. Yes, 602 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: here is Keith's Stupid Boy. By the way, Here you go, 603 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: CM a song of the your nomination at one Keith 604 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: a Grammy Vocal performance. And you know, all the sudden 605 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: you have written a massive hit, right And it wasn't 606 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden. And that's what's funny is you 607 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: wrote it, you recorded it, you're proud of it, you 608 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: love it. Then all of a sudden years later you 609 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: have a massive hit. Right now? Does that change people's 610 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: perception of you as a songwriter in this town versus 611 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: the artist? Only? Oh, I was so lucky that that 612 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: happened for the longevity of like my life and just 613 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: the way that I'm happy where I'm at right now, 614 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 1: and like I'm that I would never be right exactly 615 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: where I was if that hadn't happened. So, if I'm 616 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: getting this right, you stayed and the stars aligned over you. Oh, Finny, 617 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: that's amazing. Look how we just did that. I'm just 618 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: all I'm doing is observing and that that was the 619 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: stars doing what they're supposed to do, exactly in the 620 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: place that you're supposed to be living. I want to 621 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: play a few more and this this will not be 622 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: exactly um and you know the order we're telling the 623 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: story here. But some song because that Sarah's written another 624 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: Keith Urban song, put you in a song, Here you Go. 625 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: That's a good one. That's a good one. The vand Perry. 626 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: This peaked at number two according to this chart. In 627 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: Here's Don't let Me Be Lonely. By the way, both 628 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: of those songs peaked at number two. Yeah. Oh, and 629 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: there was all so put you in a song Stupid Boy, 630 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: and that was all number two. Stupid Boy was the 631 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: number two number two. I was talking to Keith Um 632 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: because Keith and I are friendly. We're more than just acquaintances. 633 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 1: But we don't hang. He's gone all the time, but 634 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 1: we're friendly enough where we can actually have a good 635 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: conversation about microphone, Yeah exactly, And so when we do 636 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: have a microphone, he opens up a little more. I 637 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: feel because he trust that I'm not going to take 638 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: him somewhere he doesn't want to go. We were talking 639 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: about maybe it was take you a kids and take 640 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: you for you know, yeah, you'll think you'll think of me. 641 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: Maybe that one, No, it was fly whatever. One of 642 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,959 Speaker 1: his biggest songs are often the ones that weren't number one, 643 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: like his career biggest songs the songs that he has 644 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: known for and Stupid Boys one of them. Yeah, right, 645 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: weren't number one song. That number one is a chart. Uh, 646 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: it's a business plan by a record label. But that 647 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that these number two songs aren't heavier in 648 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: people's hearts, right exactly? Number two is that is not funny? 649 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: Ironic a bit? Well, everybody was like, oh my god, 650 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: like is it ever going to happen? When I finally 651 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: got a number one, they were like, oh my god, 652 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: was it? The f GL song was like your first 653 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: one Sundays. To be honest, I don't know if it 654 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: was that one or fixed. I don't know which I 655 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: can tell you because I have the years. Yeah, it 656 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: was f G. L here and then two years later, 657 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: because it doesn't mean you wrote them two years apart, 658 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: because so you could rid them on the same day. 659 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: I don't know at the same time. Yeah, here's Chris 660 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: Lane Fix. You know, one of my favorite songs, and 661 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: she's just one of my favorite people. And I took 662 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: her and she opened for me. And one of the 663 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: great things that I get to do is take an 664 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: artist that I love because I just want to watch them. 665 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: And Jillian Jacqueline is that for me, and I just 666 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,240 Speaker 1: I just love her who she is, her voice, her style, 667 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: like everything about her, and so I'm a big Jillian 668 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: Jacqueline fan. Remember we should put out reasons. I was like, 669 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: this is a good song, and you wrote that I'm 670 00:37:47,120 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: gonna play that here here you go. So that is 671 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 1: a very small nutshell, but of your body of work 672 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 1: as a songwriter over the past few years that people 673 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: would know from the radio, we got a lot of 674 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: other stuff. The question that I was gonna ask you 675 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: it kind of leads into where we are now. I 676 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: mean I was thinking about it before you came over. 677 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: And because you're wildly creative, do you ever go in 678 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: and let's say, just for the sake of this. The 679 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: name of the song is walking down the Street. Okay, 680 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: you go in, you say, I want to do the 681 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: song walking down the street. You guys write the song 682 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: talk about one day you walk down the street and 683 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 1: you ran into an old friend and that old friend 684 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: dat song over and that song really doesn't nothing really 685 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: happens with it. Maybe it's not that great, maybe it's 686 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: cut by the wrong person, if it gets cut at all, 687 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: and you're like, well, I like that idea, but what 688 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: we did there with it wasn't right. So when you 689 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: go into a room and go have the song about 690 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: walking down the street, yes, another room with other people, 691 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: your same idea, but collaboration with people that you work 692 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: in different ways with and then you present it to 693 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: them and I did that you thought may have worked 694 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,959 Speaker 1: over here almost still the same idea to other people 695 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: and then actually turned into something. Does that ever happened 696 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,720 Speaker 1: with you? Yeah. It's a thing about taking a title 697 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: back and taking a concept back. I think the way 698 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: you have to do it is just trust that you've 699 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: put enough kindness in the bank with people to be like, Okay, 700 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: that song that we wrote that is doing nothing that 701 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: hasn't gotten cut and it's just sitting there. I'm going 702 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: to take that title and you tell them, Oh, you 703 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: have to tell them. I think you need to tell 704 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 1: them because I would have called it be boffing down 705 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 1: the street my second version with I've definitely done that. 706 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: So but there are times where you've not been satisfied 707 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: with the result of an idea for who it could 708 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: have been your fault too, totally much as anyone else's, 709 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: and you go, man, we just didn't hit it, like 710 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: I want to use this idea though again, and you 711 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: go to a different room of different people, but you 712 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: will say, hey, room ay, that was good, I gotta 713 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: take it back. Are they usually receptive to that? I 714 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,479 Speaker 1: mean most people are. I mean most people I work 715 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,800 Speaker 1: with are. I'm sure there's people that aren't. But I 716 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: feel like I have one good idea to take it, 717 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: like thirty rooms the same exact idea, and I just 718 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 1: take it over and over. I took it. I actually texted, 719 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: and I'm kind of learning not to do this. I 720 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: think the lesson is don't do this. But like I 721 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: texted a friend and was like, I have a song 722 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: I want to write with you. It's called this, and 723 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: it's about without no no no no. But then but then, 724 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: but then you know, I don't have anything scheduled with them, 725 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,839 Speaker 1: and then I'm actually tomorrow wanting to go in and it. 726 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: And so I had to text my friend and go, 727 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: I don't want you to think I'm cheating on you, 728 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: but I am taking that title back. And he actually goes, oh, 729 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: that's funny, because like I just gave a title to 730 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: so and so, and I think I'm going to take 731 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: it back. And I was like, here's your chance. Said earlier, 732 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,879 Speaker 1: is that if you have enough kindness in the bank, yeah, 733 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: people will give you grace quicker, yeah, and probably fuller 734 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: than if you don't. I am learning that. That is, 735 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: if you're generally pretty kind to people, like treat people well, 736 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,479 Speaker 1: let them know how much you love them, like when 737 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,399 Speaker 1: you see them, really let them know that you can. 738 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: There's just more you can trust how much people love you. 739 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: You can really trust it. And I'm not a big 740 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: trust you, but I know what you're saying. That's also 741 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: what I'm going to therapy, like half an hour. You 742 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: can trust it. I am getting better. Yeah, you can, 743 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: you really can. I encourage you to. But that doesn't 744 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 1: mean like you can just go be don't worry. I 745 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: won't awful, but I'm generally not going to be awful 746 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: to someone generally, but occasionally I'm kid. We all have, 747 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: we all have, we all have. So whenever you decide 748 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: to finally put out your own project, M and you're 749 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: right in these saw do you is it purposeful that 750 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: you go, I want to do a project for me, 751 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: or do you go I want to go and write 752 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: a lot of songs And you start to go, wow, 753 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: this actually just kind of I is me? I identifying 754 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: that so usually, And it's been that ever since I 755 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: broke the seal and decided to start releasing stuff. I 756 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: think it was two thousand nineteen. I put a song out. 757 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,320 Speaker 1: It was like the first one I've had in forever, 758 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: but it was called Only the Truth. But like since then, 759 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,240 Speaker 1: I've been putting things out, but it was always things. 760 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: Only the Truth I did write for me, and then 761 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: I wrote Signs of Life. That EP was written for me. 762 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: Moon Riser was about I mean songs, you know your 763 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: life comes into your song, so it was about my 764 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 1: life and I ended up putting it out not knowing 765 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: when we recorded him that it would be for me. 766 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 1: But now I'm making another record and I'm actually really 767 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: um inspired to write for it, and it's a different 768 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: kind of it's gonna be a little more indie like 769 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,840 Speaker 1: pop kind of. I think this is your problem. We're 770 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: here talking about another record. You're already promoting something else, 771 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: and you're like, I don't know how to promost stuff, don't, okay, 772 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: So it just makes stuff. It's a problem that we 773 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: will talk about. Then let's the truth comes out, you see, 774 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: Let's play perfect example, this Young from Moon Riser. I'm 775 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 1: never gonna be this young. I'm never gonna be this 776 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 1: green again. Times gonna do what time does? It's gonna 777 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: change everything? Are you looking back? Last and all the 778 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: beautiful pass stick? This is the next track, hard Things 779 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,800 Speaker 1: Here you go. So don't tell me that I'm fratto, 780 00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: not strong enough to leave. Maybe this CP is like 781 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: my vibe completely because I like slow and I like sad, 782 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 1: and I like uh not a lot of electric instruments 783 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,399 Speaker 1: like that's if I have a choice. I was just 784 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: and I haven't listened it in a while, but I 785 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,800 Speaker 1: was I'm having like shoulder rehab, hurt my shoulder like 786 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: a year ago, and so the lady was working on 787 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: my shoulder and I picked up We have a juke 788 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: box over the house and I always pick up a 789 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: full album to listen to. And I listened to the 790 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: Nirvana Unplugged album because one of my favorite albums ever, 791 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, I mean ever and so, but from beginning 792 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,520 Speaker 1: to end, and like, that's my vibe, this is my 793 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,439 Speaker 1: love that. That's such a good reference. I haven't listened 794 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: to that in so long. I listened to that thing 795 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: so many times. I even know the word for word, 796 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: the spoken parts. This is a song by the meat Pup. 797 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,320 Speaker 1: It's just like I can, I can go along with it. 798 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: Record um on the roof. This is a trick for 799 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: does up singing it up to the moon? We should you? 800 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:14,320 Speaker 1: Why on the roof? It's too happy for me? But whatever, 801 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: Hey they can't you? I'm little too happy. And then 802 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: here's a runaway love number five. I love the project. 803 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna only for thirty seconds. I'm gonna ask you 804 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 1: about the next project you're working because I want to 805 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,240 Speaker 1: make it about that. And I know as a creative 806 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 1: it's always like what are you doing now? Instead of what? 807 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: But what what? What's the difference in the project you're doing, 808 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,280 Speaker 1: you're currently creating. Well. I we were talking earlier about 809 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,879 Speaker 1: wanting to stretch your boundaries and do something that you've 810 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: never done, and Um I asked Todd Lombardo to produce. 811 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: He's an incredible acoustic guitar player, and we we came 812 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 1: up with the process originally because I was trying to 813 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 1: like save money and do something kind of on the cheap, 814 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: and so I was like, if if it was going 815 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,480 Speaker 1: to be just you and I collaborating, and I was 816 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,399 Speaker 1: just going to send him songs that have fallen off 817 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,319 Speaker 1: of other projects. I was like, who's one person that 818 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,959 Speaker 1: you would call to um work with? And he said 819 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: Nott Smith, who was a cello player that basically comes 820 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: up with cello parts that sound like keyboard parts. He 821 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 1: like fingerpicks it and he bows too, but he plays 822 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 1: like in the bluegrass world with like Sarah Jarros and 823 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 1: all kinds of different people. And in the studio that day, 824 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,359 Speaker 1: I was surprised, like he didn't want to do these 825 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 1: other songs, like anything that sounded to country. He was like, 826 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 1: and I told him, I was like, I want this 827 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 1: to be full on collaboration. I want you to be 828 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 1: a huge part of this, and so the songs that 829 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,839 Speaker 1: he picked were really interesting. The whole other thing, but 830 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,800 Speaker 1: like the process and watching the two of them work 831 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 1: and the way that room felt made me want to 832 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: write specifically, like for that. And it's a different type 833 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 1: like one of the songs I I wrote with another artist, 834 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,440 Speaker 1: and I was imagining it kind of being like a 835 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 1: Jackson Brown sounding song with like pretty normal chords and 836 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,400 Speaker 1: the melodies sounds like a Jackson Brown melody to me. 837 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 1: And I sent it to Todd with no instrumentation behind it, 838 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 1: and he put these chords underneath it took it in 839 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: a completely different direction than I ever would have imagined, 840 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,839 Speaker 1: and I was like, well, that's pretty amazing. And so, yeah, 841 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,319 Speaker 1: I wanted to be about the record. I don't necessarily 842 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 1: want it to be like it all starts with a 843 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 1: song necessarily for this project, I kind of wanted it 844 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 1: to be like just a little more cerebral that when 845 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,759 Speaker 1: it comes out we talk about that, yeah, exactly, and 846 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 1: now we're done talking about Now we're done. I want 847 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 1: people to get to know you as an artist, and 848 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 1: I hope they check out Moon Riiser because it is fantastic. Um, 849 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 1: I do want to play for you. Now. One of 850 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 1: my favorite songs that you wrote. I believe it was 851 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 1: number four in the Hot Country chart. It's a little 852 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: song by Mason Ramsey called Famous. That's such a good song, 853 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,360 Speaker 1: Like if you take Yoto boy Mason Ramsey out of it, 854 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,719 Speaker 1: that was such a good song. Like I think a 855 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,840 Speaker 1: lot of people could have made that a smash. Yeah, 856 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: it did. It wouldn't matter who. I think you could 857 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:54,920 Speaker 1: put Thomas rhet and so what I remember thinking when 858 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,680 Speaker 1: he cut the song was Okay, this is good for 859 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,560 Speaker 1: him because it's like famous for loving muse a it. 860 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,920 Speaker 1: I was like, man, this song could have been a 861 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:08,560 Speaker 1: massive h I mean, a monster for an established artist, 862 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 1: and they would have kicked the door down to get it. 863 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,960 Speaker 1: I was hoping for f g L, Like that's what 864 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: I really wanted because Tyler's on it. I know, I 865 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:19,920 Speaker 1: really thought it was going to be an f g 866 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,799 Speaker 1: L song. And I didn't know you then. I knew 867 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,439 Speaker 1: of you, and we had met and passing a couple 868 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: of times, and I didn't know that you'd written this 869 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,799 Speaker 1: song at first. But I just remember hearing that song 870 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 1: and going out good for Mason Ramsey. You know, I 871 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,400 Speaker 1: see what they're trying to do here right he had 872 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,320 Speaker 1: that is such a great song they have gifted him. Yeah, 873 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,200 Speaker 1: and just thinking if anybody else had this song, it 874 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,520 Speaker 1: would be a monster. I know. Well, I just remember 875 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,960 Speaker 1: being like originally going, he's so young. I mean, I 876 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: don't even know how young he was. How old was twelve? 877 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: Probably twelve? Yeah, probably twelve twelve? Talking about I want 878 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: to be famous for loving you. I guess boys would 879 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,560 Speaker 1: get to more of that of a feeling than girls. 880 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. When I was twelve, I wasn't thinking 881 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,160 Speaker 1: about I guess I will was. There was boys when 882 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: I was twelve, But I think it's a boy to 883 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,680 Speaker 1: your Do you think you know what it means? You know? 884 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,880 Speaker 1: No way? But I loved it, and I thought that 885 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,440 Speaker 1: was just a wonderful song. Um, and then lady A, 886 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 1: you wrote Ocean. Yeah, what was the name of that album? 887 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 1: Was name? Okay? That's yeah, that's what I was wondering. Yeah, 888 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,319 Speaker 1: if you get the title, then that's what I I guess. 889 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: It's white Kid of my mind. If you get the 890 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,040 Speaker 1: title track, do you really do you think it's gonna 891 00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:33,720 Speaker 1: be a single? I wasn't. I don't know. I hoped 892 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: that it would and the song. Actually, this was a 893 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 1: big realization for me. I was surprised they didn't pick 894 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: it as a single because it was streaming so well. 895 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 1: It was streaming better than there actual radio singles. Did 896 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,040 Speaker 1: you maybe I know so much about this. Did you 897 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: write that? And I don't have this as in my notes, 898 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,680 Speaker 1: I could be completely wrong. Did you write that with Tofur? Yeah? 899 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,879 Speaker 1: I wrote that with Tofur, who wrote who I met 900 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,839 Speaker 1: on the Jillian project? Ok, yeah, that's how I know 901 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,799 Speaker 1: with the song because I know Tofur. Yeah, he's the best. Yeah, 902 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,719 Speaker 1: and Abe Sto Classa got it and this is a 903 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 1: great song. And I think he too was. I was 904 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,680 Speaker 1: talking to him at the time and he was like, 905 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 1: why is that not a single? Well, we learned it 906 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:14,920 Speaker 1: was because it was streaming so well. Like the label 907 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: was making their money, you know what I mean, Like 908 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,920 Speaker 1: we don't have to make another yes, Bobby, Hey, so 909 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,720 Speaker 1: the label makes theirs, but you don't get to make yours. No. 910 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,920 Speaker 1: But I was so proud of the way they recorded that. 911 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,719 Speaker 1: If you listen to the way, um, Gordon Moate is 912 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,319 Speaker 1: playing piano on that, and like they they took the 913 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,759 Speaker 1: click out. I don't know if they ever had it in, 914 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 1: but like the way that they slowed down on that 915 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,719 Speaker 1: last chorus just a little bit. I mean when I 916 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,680 Speaker 1: heard that, I was literally just like, oh my god, 917 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,520 Speaker 1: did they really just do that? Dan? Yes? It was 918 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,040 Speaker 1: like so I was so proud. I thought, it's just 919 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 1: to have somebody cut your song and then have you 920 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 1: just be blown away by it. Such a great feeling. 921 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 1: She's sang them m she often does, but especially in 922 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,600 Speaker 1: a song like that, She's so good. What did you 923 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 1: write today? Did you already write today? I did right 924 00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,200 Speaker 1: today with te Mecular Road. Oh yeah, was it about 925 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,120 Speaker 1: walking on the street? Because if it was, no, But 926 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,720 Speaker 1: I got that next. I got that in my head. 927 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:26,719 Speaker 1: So do you come here tired? Meaning emotionally or mentally 928 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,359 Speaker 1: tired from the right No, And I have learned I'm 929 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,359 Speaker 1: just at a different place with my writing. I feel 930 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,719 Speaker 1: like now that I've become just more prolific, and the 931 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 1: more the music that I'm releasing and the more I'm 932 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,680 Speaker 1: letting myself just kind of be open about it. I 933 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,760 Speaker 1: don't hold onto things anymore. I used to feel tired 934 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,000 Speaker 1: at the end of rights because I was blocked. I 935 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 1: think my heart was blocked to just in my life 936 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,319 Speaker 1: in general. And I just feel so much more open now, 937 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,480 Speaker 1: and the lyrics that just everything just is flowing so 938 00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,480 Speaker 1: much easier for me, and the relation chip that I 939 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:05,480 Speaker 1: have with those guys. It's just so good and it's 940 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,879 Speaker 1: just a great day. I just I feel energized. Well, 941 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,279 Speaker 1: I would be exhausted time I write anything. We writer 942 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,600 Speaker 1: were writing comedy or I'm just like, oh my god, 943 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,480 Speaker 1: I'm burnt. I've used every cell in my head to 944 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,920 Speaker 1: try a funny as I possibly can. It's still not 945 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,399 Speaker 1: even that funny. Maybe I should be trying harder. Maybe 946 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,240 Speaker 1: that's what it is. Maybe maybe you only have massive 947 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,120 Speaker 1: success because you haven't tried hard enough. I've got to 948 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 1: try harder. M one final note before we go, because 949 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,000 Speaker 1: we've done over an hour, which I hope you've enjoyed this. Really, 950 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,359 Speaker 1: I feel energized now. I'm not tired writ another song 951 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,839 Speaker 1: I call walking down the Street. Um, we were look 952 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: you were nominated for This is not on my notes, 953 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,759 Speaker 1: but I was maybe like two thousand eight, maybe two 954 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,360 Speaker 1: thousand nine, and maybe both yours new female vocalists. It 955 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:56,719 Speaker 1: was you, Taylor Swift and Kelly Pickler totally, and then 956 00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,200 Speaker 1: the next year it was me, possibly Kelly Pickler again 957 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,040 Speaker 1: and Julienne Huff So I know Taylor one at year 958 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:09,920 Speaker 1: one and Julianne wanted the next. Yeah, totally. That is that. 959 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,960 Speaker 1: I mean, that's like it seems like a different life. 960 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:17,799 Speaker 1: It was a different life. It really was. Um. I 961 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,000 Speaker 1: remember getting botox that year because they were like so young, 962 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,680 Speaker 1: and I was like looking at my face next to 963 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,600 Speaker 1: their face, and I was like, I gotta put some stuff. Okay, 964 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:31,280 Speaker 1: here's what's happening. Here's what's happening at Sarah Buxton Sarah 965 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,840 Speaker 1: with an h and you can follow her and she 966 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,920 Speaker 1: just sometimes post things like hey, I will sing for you, 967 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,680 Speaker 1: I will come hook cook for you. Just postings like yeah, 968 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,680 Speaker 1: just like I would like to sing more. I would 969 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,799 Speaker 1: like to more, like right exactly. That's how she communicates. 970 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,440 Speaker 1: So who knows, but at Sarah Buxton checkout Moon Riser. 971 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,080 Speaker 1: It has been a real treat to spend an hour 972 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,680 Speaker 1: with you, and it's been really cool. I've always been 973 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 1: a fan, usually from I wouldn't say five feet, from 974 00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:01,879 Speaker 1: like eight feet. Yeah, we're like one person away all 975 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,280 Speaker 1: the time, you know, Dustin or if it's not tofur 976 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,120 Speaker 1: or it's just you're right, there's not Eric. Now it's 977 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,879 Speaker 1: three ft. Now we're extremely close. We're better, both better 978 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,879 Speaker 1: for it. Well, thank you for sharing your story. Thank 979 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,920 Speaker 1: you guys. Check out Moon Riser and check out Sarah 980 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,919 Speaker 1: Buckston's Instagram. She could use the followers. I really could, 981 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,560 Speaker 1: so could I frankly thanks, thank you,