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Speaker 1: Do we need a law about this? It's one more thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm strong and getty, one more thing. So we got

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Speaker 1: to figure this out as a society, either morally and

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Speaker 1: Somebody whipping out their cell phone and recording you and

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Speaker 1: then what they can do with it and all that.

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Speaker 1: Joe who almost went to law school is going to

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Speaker 1: at some point say, there's no expectation of privaty privacy.

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Speaker 2: But you know, public place, You've saved me the trouble.

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Speaker 1: But that was that was that meant different, That meant

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Speaker 1: something different when only if you were wanting to spend

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Speaker 1: and carry it around, were you capable of videoing anybody?

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Speaker 1: Now everybody can video everybody all the time. There was

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Speaker 1: no reason to care about that particular rule.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that has more to do with the government,

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Speaker 2: you know, surveilling you than anything. You cannot use someone's

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Speaker 2: image and likeness for profit without their signing a release

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Speaker 1: Did you know that? I think there are thirty states

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Speaker 1: states are not that not like California, where like, if

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Speaker 1: we're gonna we we can't call somebody up on the

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Speaker 2: That's actually a different law. Those are two different questions. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: airing somebody's a different question. How about just recording them?

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Speaker 2: Just recording? Uh yeah, yeah, what about it?

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think you should be able to

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Speaker 2: Uh No. Although the counter argument is like if somebody's

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Speaker 2: there are dozens of examples, you're not allowed to get

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Speaker 2: the proof of it that you need, Katie.

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Speaker 3: I So I have a question back to what you said, Joe,

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Speaker 2: Else mm hmm. Theoretically, I mean, like, if you're in

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Speaker 2: a documentary, they got to have everybody's got to sign

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Speaker 2: a release right of some sort, although I don't know

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Speaker 2: the fine print on that, so you know, don't start

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Speaker 3: So I'm just thinking about like those videos that go

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Speaker 1: So let's let's do this and then we can get

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Speaker 1: into the specifics, because we're going to talk about this

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Speaker 1: story which went viral a week or so ago. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you've heard the outlines of it of a woman who

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Speaker 1: wouldn't give up her seat on a plane to a child,

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Speaker 1: and then some other woman took out her phone and

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Speaker 1: seat became the bad person. Here's the here's a news

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Speaker 4: Plane passenger is being publicly berated by a furious mom

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Speaker 4: When she boarded the plane, Jennifer found a toddler sitting

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Speaker 2: This is disgusting.

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Speaker 4: It's the twenty first century and people have no empathy

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Speaker 1: So what happens from here is the mom posts the

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Speaker 2: Number one, throw your meal on them. If you're gonna

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Speaker 2: go that far, just throw that meal right into their chest, okay,

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Speaker 1: Well, it needs to be dealt with either ethnically, morally

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you yourself have said as if I we

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Speaker 2: need more shaming for avererant behavior in the modern world, not.

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Speaker 2: People with bad judgment get to do it too.

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Speaker 1: Whatever it is, right, So I I do believe that

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Speaker 1: we need more shaming, not less. For like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Right, shame. But you should have your hair cut from

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Speaker 1: I agree completely, But shaming people for really just human nature,

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Speaker 3: You have it in public like that?

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna are you gonna? Are you gonna hope

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly quick videotaping Katie on it.

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Speaker 3: So that this takes me back to my question, is

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Speaker 1: Weren't, They weren't an influencer before, but they become an

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Speaker 3: And if millions of people go to their page and

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Speaker 2: So the question before me then is if something not

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Speaker 2: I don't have a fucking idea.

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Speaker 1: But we gotta, we gotta figure this out. I think

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Speaker 1: The three year old starts crying because the three year

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Speaker 2: No, they're the dick, They're the a hole, as the

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, there's a there's a seat number

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Speaker 1: The Internet decided that the woman that wouldn't give it

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Speaker 2: This nice person, that's their seat. You can sit over here. Yeah. Yeah, gosh.

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Speaker 1: I wish my parents would have videoed their last flight.

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Speaker 3: They were taking first class from San Francisco back to Boise,

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Speaker 3: is texting me she's fucking two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was sharier feelings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a tough one because I mean, kids

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Speaker 2: He was trying to end the trip as quickly as possible.

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Speaker 2: What ends?

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Speaker 1: Huh to what end? If you're not getting what you want,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm just thinking if they were going home,

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Speaker 1: Put him in jail, put him in an orphanage.

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Speaker 2: I had to hit the emergency slide and pushed him off,

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Speaker 2: put him in the overhead compartment one of those boot camps.

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Speaker 1: But exactly exactly. But anyway to my original point, you

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Speaker 1: She edited her life turned upside down. We have to

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Speaker 2: Again, my understanding of Brazilian law is cursory at best.

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Speaker 2: then you got a tort right there.

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Speaker 1: Wow, so that's that's a good one, and you would

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Speaker 2: it's purely to hurt them.

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Speaker 3: See there, are accounts out there that's this one guy.

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Speaker 2: My kid's going to law school right now. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to tell her. Look, I will finance your law office.

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Speaker 2: What we're going to do is when people seek to

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Speaker 2: damage people's reputation unjustifiedly because you know, you got to

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Speaker 2: win the jury. Generally, that's what we'll prosecute.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, uh oh, bird flu.

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Speaker 2: Basically, that guy's using a cell phone as a weapon. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's you.

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Speaker 1: Know, well, yeah, as a weapon, because she whipped that

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Speaker 1: I think she became an influencer after she got the

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Speaker 2: Great that always the hot ones sounds like a beachh

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Speaker 2: to me, Jack, Have you ever lost your temper in

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Speaker 1: Remember that. If I ever had the words do you

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Speaker 1: I am? Instagram famous? I had a point. Have you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so the whole influencer thing. So I'm

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Speaker 1: to wear my shoes, thinking I'll sell more shoes now.

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Speaker 2: Yes, unfortunately, because she's one millions of dollars of business

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Speaker 1: Remember the most famous woman on a plane that lost

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Speaker 1: You don't exist, he's not real or whatever the hell happens. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and she, uh, she She's got tons of followers. Fun,

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Speaker 1: what do you follow?

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Speaker 3: I follow her on Twitter and the other day, she

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Speaker 3: posted a screenshot of it. Oh yeah, she got banned

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Speaker 3: an email from American Airlines saying that you have twenty

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Speaker 3: captioned it, who's gonna tell them?

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Speaker 1: That's pretty funny, that's amusing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't believe you follow her, Katie, I do,

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Speaker 3: you're not real?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's it.