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Maybe it's you. 19 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: These are some of the family documentarians I've been fortunate 20 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 1: enough to meet. First, our producer Matt Frederick getting ready 21 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: to move to sell the house. This is an old 22 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: tan tape cassette that my mother found and cleaning on 23 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: a closet. We found the cardboard box ahead some old 24 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: dick to belt and it I know him as Papa. 25 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: His name is James Phillips. He was recording this after 26 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: he found some old tapes dick to belt. They had 27 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: been creased and badly neglected that he wanted to find 28 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: a way to transfer over onto cassette tape. And I've 29 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: tried to rig up the machine to the cassette recorder 30 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: to see if we could pick up some of it. 31 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: As near as your mother and I can tell, his 32 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: first bit was probably recorded in nineteen fifty one. I 33 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: had brought the machine home. I remember to try to 34 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: record joyce first words. Here are the facts. My mother 35 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: was born Christmas nineteen. Every year Papa and Granny would 36 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: call to the minute that my mother was born and 37 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: wish her a happy birthday. I have a three year 38 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: old son, and I know early on when he was 39 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: beginning to vocalize, my wife and I had our phones 40 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: out all the time, attempting to capture this magical moment. 41 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: The first word, and that's exactly what my grandfather was 42 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: attempting to do. Just with this older technology, so he 43 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: can't just sit there and roll tape for hours and 44 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: hours or days or days the way we can with 45 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: our digital technology now. He had to very purposefully go 46 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: to attempt to get those first words out of her, 47 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: almost like this interrogation, and it doesn't go well, No, 48 00:03:44,640 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: it does not go well, Oh, go ahead, daddy, you 49 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: you know, kind of baby talk and tricks to get 50 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: her too do something, and resulted only in making her 51 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: take the following first recording protest that was about all 52 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: the crying from Joy as a little tiny baby that 53 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: we could talk, all right, So the frustration that he 54 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: has and thinking about it, in the disbelief that anyone 55 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: ever would be interested in listening to this. We are 56 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: cutting over that part. Even now, forty years, forty one 57 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: years later, I can't understand why I recorded so much 58 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,119 Speaker 1: of it. That is a baby sound. As a father, 59 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: I know exactly how old of a child that is. 60 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it really is between zero and six seven months, 61 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: so it must be in nights in fifty one when 62 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: you're moving. Think about how hectic that situation is, trying 63 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: to get all of your worldly possessions. It's boxes, I 64 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: guarantee you that while they were planning to move. My 65 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: grandfather stumbled upon this, and then late one night, he 66 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: got out of his cassette player, he got out some 67 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: old hardware that he haddling around somewhere and just began listening. 68 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: And as soon as he stumbled upon it, he felt 69 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: like he needed to have it. We have advanced forward 70 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: on the tape and we could hear efforts to play 71 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: on a little music box Brahms lullaby, and Mama was 72 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: able to get her to concentrate on that, and later 73 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 1: she and her mother started quite a conversation. I think 74 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: maybe that would be worth saving. So let's see how 75 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: it sounds. The sounds you are hearing now are the 76 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: ones set we're precious stand and are still precious now. 77 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: I went over to my grandparents in search of a 78 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: cassette tape. That's Michael, a specific cassette tape that was 79 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: recorded of my great grandparents along with my grandparents eating 80 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: dinner and my mother and my uncle singing songs when 81 00:06:54,560 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: they were kids. It's an odd tape. It's odd they 82 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: would record themselves eating dinner. My guess is that my 83 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: mom and my uncle got ahold of the tape. Recorder 84 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: and they were just running around with it. At some point, 85 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: maybe they set it down to eat their dinner and 86 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: caught everybody on tape. I had never met my great grandmother, 87 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: who was recorded in the audio talking right. I'm pretty 88 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: sure I did not digitize the whole tape. They're just 89 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: a section of it, so who knows what else is 90 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 1: on there. At some point my grandmother wanted it back, 91 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: so I gave it back to her and I got 92 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: lost in a big pile of stuff. I went over 93 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: there looking for it and I asked them about it, 94 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: and they have no idea where it is. And my 95 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: grandfather said, oh, I can get you more tapes, and 96 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: he's he's hard of hearing. I don't think he understood. 97 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: I was looking for cassette tapes and specific and he 98 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: came back with two v Jess tapes. When as eight 99 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: millimeter home recordings Bob and Sherry in Avondale, you can 100 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: hear the projector running, okay, we've got t ball here 101 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: back in nineteen Bob playned t ball that we're going 102 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: to go to some kind of party that must do 103 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: a districute party, and some scenes of our home there 104 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: in in and Dale n so he's recording from eight 105 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: millimeter to VHS tape. These are about five different tapes 106 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: and are twice together here different occasions. I think it's 107 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: got bob seventh birthday and I wanted also that's the 108 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: introduction and it's pretty much quiet, no narration, nothing. At 109 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: some point he coughs, which I like. I don't know 110 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: if he actually shows the whole film or or I mean, 111 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: at some point this VHS tape got recorded over thank 112 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: you from all Eastern employees in Atlanta. So my guess 113 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: is my grandfather recorded over the tape to record a 114 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: football game. The Bears have lost a leader on the field. 115 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he started his recording at the 116 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: end of the eight millimeter tape, or if he just 117 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: cut off the in portion of it or didn't realize 118 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: what the tape was, or if he just didn't give 119 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: a I just didn't care. Papa is notorious for taping 120 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: over things. He would always go out on the back 121 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: porch to rehearse his Kingdom Hall talks. And he used 122 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: one particular cassette tape and go to heaven after death 123 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 1: where everything is perfect. That Pickwick, that black pickwicked in 124 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: many different ways. He would record himself rehearsing in and 125 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: he would go and listen to it in the living room. 126 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: If he thought something needed to be changed, he would 127 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: go and record himself over the old recording where everything 128 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: is perfect. And pretty much every time he gave a talk, 129 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: he would use the same tape, just record over what 130 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: was previously recorded and be onto the regions of Idris 131 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: space with their stellar bodies. That's how he practiced for 132 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: his Sunday school talks. How many times do you think 133 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: you recorded over that? It's hard to say. He's given 134 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: a lot of talks, like years of recording over the 135 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: same tape. Yeah, I mean, I remember when I was 136 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: a kid he was using that tape. The other one 137 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: was two thousand two trip to Colorado, so I had 138 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: to have been thirteen. Can I go, pet Hey? I 139 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: was usually the trip videographer. We used to have an 140 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: old VHS cam quarter at first, but I took that 141 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: into a hot tub when we were in Florida and 142 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: it never worked after that. So did it? Was it submerged? Oh? Yeah, 143 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: so this one was documented on a VHSC tape that 144 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: was actually later transferred to VHS. I'm pretty sure I 145 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: did that, and I thought it'd be easier for them 146 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: to watch on VHS to figure that out versus putting 147 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: the tape in the little VHS converter tape device at 148 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: the Alamo. Momem it's me doing a lot of recording 149 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: in the car on our way to Colorado. Kristen was there, 150 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: Jeremy was there, and take Jeremy always set in the 151 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: front seat. Kristen was in the back with me and Granny. Okay. 152 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: She would periodically point out the wind at different things 153 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: that she wanted me to point the camera at. I 154 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: was always kind of reluctant to do it. For some reason. 155 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: I was more interested in recording the family in the car. 156 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: I didn't really care about the surroundings in Arizona, the 157 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: beautiful desert and everything. I just wanted to record the family, 158 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: tourist accordination, they the tastes, not just riding in the 159 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: car across all these states. I also you know, record 160 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: some when we stop it the different resorts or motels 161 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: or wherever we stayed at. To progress the film, you 162 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: have the you have the car ride, you have the 163 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: place we're staying at, you're walking into it. One For me, 164 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: how do we meet. We met in film school, we 165 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: met in experimental media with Nick Volmer. What was the 166 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: project that you were working on? The final project to 167 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: that semester? That class. Goodness, it's been almost a decade 168 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: since I watched it. That's not it's been eight years 169 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: since we've been had nine years since we've been out 170 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: of college. Oh my god, Yeah, we're old now getting there. 171 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: This is my wife, Victoria. So it's experimental media, and 172 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the films that we had watched up 173 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: until that point had obvious visual signs of decay. Works 174 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: like Ken Jacob's Perfect Film and Arianna Gerstein's lay At, 175 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: in which the noise and degradation of the film stock 176 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: is foregrounded in the aesthetic. That inspired me to look 177 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: at my home movies that my grandfather shot and just 178 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: see what I had to play with to work with. 179 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: Actually noticed it's some of the video tapes already had 180 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: some signs of decay. The images were jumping, the sound 181 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: got worked, the color went from color and then black 182 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: and white. With the actual visual skips and jumps of 183 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: the film, I realized it was actually already a little 184 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: bit experimental. It sounds like he's gonna get a heavy 185 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: on the music. Grandpa was born September nineteenth, nineteen. I 186 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: think he was born in Ohio. I know he's buried 187 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: in Lebanon, but I can't remember where he was born. 188 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: I can't believe you just knew his birthday off the top. Yeah, 189 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: Grandpa Bob was born in September nineteenth. Grandma Betty was 190 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: born February eight and she was three years younger than him, 191 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: So he was born in twenty five. She was born 192 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: in I think he died June one, So he just 193 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: it's just been some wow, eighteen years since he's passed. 194 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: It's a long time. Do you guys would here? Let's 195 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: see Ky Belasia, Jonathan up Bid, Jarna Bay. He went 196 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: to Texas A and M, and he graduated in three years, 197 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: comes back to Ohio and he's working in television. He's 198 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: a broadcast engineer. Grandpa Bob worked at w c M 199 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: a c MHTV Columbus, Ohio, an NBC affiliate that is 200 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: still Channel four in Columbus from the days of Dumont 201 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: to the days that were twenty four hour news. You're 202 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: watching news. Watched four Columbus h television for as long 203 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: as he was alive, and he was working. He was 204 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: in television. He must have really loved it because he 205 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: worked and was around cameras all day at work and 206 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: then came home and then had a camera in his 207 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: hand to record his children and then eventually his grandchildren, 208 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: and he would just record anything. I didn't realize how 209 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: special it was, but he recorded one us all the 210 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: time outside, you know, playing hop scotch, or playing with 211 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: her dolls, or picking raspberries from the bushes that mimial 212 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: Betty grew. Nothing eventful happening, but he always had the 213 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: camera on, always shooting the video. Ok folks, And he 214 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: did that with his children too. We're now back in 215 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven summer folk Stone Road and day nor 216 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: have because there's tons and tons of video and snapshots 217 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: of my mom and her brothers tookaren do. My dad 218 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: was in the military. My mom was a nurse, and 219 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: so we moved like seven times when we were growing up. 220 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: More on washing the footage of Becky as a baby. 221 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: My grandfather definitely shot because my parents didn't have or 222 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: couldn't afford a video camera. Then like us over to Berkeley. Okay, okay, 223 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: where are you going? But when Grandpa did get us 224 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: a video camera, my mother, you swing in, would film 225 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: everything for him. If it was Easter, or if it's 226 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: like a random Tuesday in April, hey put she Mima 227 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: And people used to send us goodie boxes all the time, 228 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: just randomly because they found something that we might like 229 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: at Meyers. So it could be May when there's no 230 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: massive celebration and we'd get a goodie box. My mother 231 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: would record this and then send it back to Grandma 232 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: and Grandpa. When we were cleaning out their house after 233 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: Grandpa was gone and after Grandma was moved into it 234 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,959 Speaker 1: and living, we had the videos that my parents shipped 235 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: back to them, and then we had Grandpa Baba's version 236 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: of my mother's version. We grew up having a camera 237 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: in our face. We thought it was really normal. Oh 238 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't until I got older, and I think when 239 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: I met you that I realized that not every child 240 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: had a treasure trove of her movies. I suppose I 241 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: didn't know anyone had this much family history documented on tape. 242 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: There's just one video of Andrea sleeping on the kitchen table. 243 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: She's really little, she's like two or three, and so 244 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: she's on the very edge of the chair and her 245 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: little head is on top of the table and she 246 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: wakes up, looks at them and just starts bawling, bawling 247 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: out of nowhere. I guess that's that's a sleepy, tired, 248 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: cranky baby. There's a video of me standing in front 249 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: of a Christmas tree as little two year old with 250 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: a raspy voice. Yea my only ation. Yeah you make 251 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: magen yeah singing you are My Sunshine. That was my song, 252 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: still my jam magain, Yes, thank me. Yes. Becky, my 253 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: oldest sister is behind me and trying to sing it too, 254 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: and I get so irate. I'm push sure, I think, 255 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: and I said, oh, seeing it because as a way 256 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: made it okay, Candy that way with me, You're gone. 257 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: There's one music park. I wanted hot chocolate, and I 258 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: don't think that anyone really cared. No, what are you 259 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: seen there? They're still filming the sights and the rides 260 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: around me, And then there's me, a little graded seven 261 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: year old, jumping up into the lens of the camera, 262 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: popping up. I want to chocolate. I want to talk it. 263 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: I don't think you understand me. I want to chocolate 264 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: her Victoria and he loved his cats. Bore you're okay? 265 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: Or another one over there? Asha? Where are you? Hasha? Okay, Sasha, 266 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: my Dasha, Gosha, look in here. We have so much 267 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: of Grandpa's gear. We have a Yeshika, a fin Tas, 268 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: a nineteen Coda autographic, a Brownie Hawkeye. We have a 269 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: Super eight handheld stick camera. We had this gigantic Crosby 270 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: box that I think came from the studio that he 271 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: was working out, and eventually they retired it. I think 272 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: we still have the tube. I don't think we have 273 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: this big VHS camera. I don't know what happened to 274 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: that video, okay. And we have a treasure trove of 275 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: HS tapes and we only have like a fraction of them. 276 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: There's more at my parents house, hundreds upon hundreds of tapes. 277 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: My dad started digitizing them many many years ago, and 278 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: I think he took a little break. Kind of made 279 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: him sad to see his little babies all grown up 280 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: in real life and his little babies there and film. 281 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: So you've undertaken the mammoth task of digitizing them. I've 282 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: sort of only done it in so far that I've 283 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: said that I'm doing it you've done m hmm, We've 284 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: probably done like ten twenty tapes' two slow task. My 285 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: dad once told me I was the family documentarian. And 286 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: while I have rolled a lot of tape, it's mostly 287 00:21:53,280 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: people doing bits, playing characters. Best are of Hotel A 288 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: very little could be considered nonfiction. And I can't help 289 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: but feel guilty like I haven't been a good steward 290 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: of William's history. Turns out, the feeling runs in the family. See. 291 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: I feel like I didn't do a good job of that, 292 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: and it makes me cringe a little bit even to 293 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: talk about it, because it's not like I have a 294 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: great historical record of sound of our family. My parents 295 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: had eight millimeter, not super eight, eight millimeter movie camera 296 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: and it had no sound. Everything is a silent movie. 297 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: A lot of that footage that we have was recorded 298 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: by Grahama Williams. She would spend hours shooting eight millimeter 299 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: out the car window as they were driving around with 300 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: their airstream. There's stretches of farm land and countryside that 301 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,479 Speaker 1: you have no idea where it really is, and then 302 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudd there's relatives appearing in a yard 303 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: running around. It's like, where are we and who are 304 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: these people. One of the reasons that we never bought 305 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: a camp orders is just expensive. Spending the money on 306 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: it would have been hard. Instead, got the VCR and 307 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: time shifted all your shows, which seems so salient now 308 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: that we all watch our shows whenever we want. Anyway, 309 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: I know we have a video of some play Max 310 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: was in when he was in kindergarten. Here, yes, I 311 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: think we have a video of a baby shower, one 312 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: of your guys. Baby showers Bay is the only one 313 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: that everybody was hope it in double over. It not 314 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: that baby showers are so great. There's a video from 315 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: the wedding. This is footage from our wedding shot on 316 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: my brethre in law cell phone. The video of my 317 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: parents wedding is silent. This is all stuff that I 318 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: guess other people shot because we didn't have game for it. 319 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: But I mean, the problem is thirty one years of 320 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: magnetic degradation. I have no idea what it's gonna look like. 321 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: But as VHS, I have a working VHS deck. Last 322 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: time I checked, like four years ago. I don't think 323 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: there's any audio really, so I don't think there's much. 324 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: It's sad, is it. I don't know what would we 325 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: do with it anyway, right, I have no idea what 326 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: can one do with old tape? To keep things straight? 327 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: So you've got it filmed. That's Bob and Sherry. You've 328 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: got a tape that's Bob, Sharon, Larry's your role. A 329 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: five different tapes are s twice together. Here they're on 330 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: a gape. And then you've got a tape that you 331 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: made that's Bob, Jerry and Larry. But then you're in 332 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: there even though it's not you're just through your voice, 333 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: like there's an element of you. Oh yeah, re recording 334 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: of the recordings. Yeah, we were exactly in a room 335 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: full of analog tape machines. Michael live mixes, reels, transcription tapes. 336 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: First First of the World sets, all kinds of things 337 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: recorded live in stereo on reel to real tape. The 338 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: first collection of this work, titled Home Movies, was composed 339 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: from the tapes described at the top. Everything I had 340 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: kind of planned out and like, okay, I don't want 341 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: to press play on this first, Wait a little bit, 342 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: press play on this one the next. See what happens. 343 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: Let's play on this one. Pretty simple struck. Everyone has 344 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: a good Boys, and the cassette was looking for in 345 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: the first place was used on the album third Bouquet 346 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: for Elizabeth Warriors. Why do you choose the family recorded 347 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: tapes for creative projects? Because they were handed to me. 348 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: What are you gonna do with them? Now? Probably hold 349 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: onto them, just sit on them, I mean, put them 350 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: with the other tapes? What else can you do? Ready? 351 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: Where were we? Spring semester of film concluded with the 352 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: assignment of an autobiography. I don't know what to do. 353 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm coming down to a deadline. Okay, I'll do video 354 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: tapes and then I think during that process in making 355 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: that film, for a couple of weeks, I remembered that 356 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: I had that camera and codak autographic. When you look 357 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: at it and it's closed, it's like the height of 358 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: a VHS tape and probably two or three inches across. 359 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: You push a button on the top and the lid 360 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: opens just slightly. You pull that down and you can 361 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: see the lens. You clamped two pieces in the side 362 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: and you pull out the billows. The billows unfold and 363 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: you're able to look down into the viewfinder and see 364 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: a very fuzzy image. And then ever so slightly take 365 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: the trigger. Grandpa Bob took really good care of his gear. 366 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: This is one of his mics, an electro voice run 367 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: through an old brown XLR that was his. As far 368 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: as we know, this Kodak autographic has worked beautifully since, 369 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: but it takes an outmoded film stock A one six, 370 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: but you just can't find anymore. I wanted to figure 371 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: out how to get this coldek autographic working, so I 372 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: go over to the camera doctor. We missed your camera doctor. 373 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: He taught me how to build up the spindles in 374 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: size so that they could fit one twenty film, which 375 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: is what we have available today, and what he developed 376 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: in his shop, just cutting off rounded pieces of black 377 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: cardboard and fixing them with epoxy, stack stack, stack, stack, 378 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: until we had the height that would fit one film 379 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: onto that spindle. So in the film, I'm mixing together 380 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: the videos and there's a little footage of me continuing 381 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: on with this process of building up the spindles. I 382 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: think I started to restore it, not thinking it would 383 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: be part of the film, just feeling sentimental watching Grandpa Bob, 384 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: watching us all of her family, and then taking into 385 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: that shop and learning that it's not just a piece 386 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: of art. It could be restored and used. Victoria, Hey, 387 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: let's go. I never met Grandpa Bob, but I have 388 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: to imagine that given a beautiful camera that he couldn't use, 389 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: he would have done the same thing. As you can tell. 390 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: The recording session ended on a very very happy note. 391 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: God Da, oh, you're gonna go baby again. Why don't 392 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: you just playing yourself this time? You know, just be Joyanne. 393 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: Say this is Joyanne. I'm talking to you from goggle Ball. 394 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: Say anything on, take me get you dot the mat 395 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: of the clock, the clock Brandon Rass and day Gray dot. 396 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: Thank you all anyway, so you say conde yees are you? 397 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: You don't have to push anything. Don't push. This is 398 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: a historical recording. We're not sure about this next series 399 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: of sounds from the tapes all they're out of synchronization 400 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: certainly as far as chronology is concerned. It is being 401 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: recorded by Joyce and Jim itself. I'm just going to 402 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: get it all down and then we'll try to do 403 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: something with it later. So here goes now all the 404 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: um I don't to say. My mother is making us practice. 405 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: Now I have a broad back and we are having 406 00:30:54,240 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: some sorts, sweet roles and again, okay, take up hello thanky, 407 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: duncy hard now shaw girl, I gotta think say okay, 408 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: man and do And the next time you will hear 409 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: will be joint and snapping her fingers. Joe will now 410 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: whistle whistle while you work. Thank you whipple, Oh movie, 411 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy humming a song, Holly song Mester. How the chronologically 412 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: they got so screwed up? I don't know. Restaum me up. Yeah, 413 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: it's warming up. One. Can I take some of the 414 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: eleven he took? Do talk Lena so interesting, kicks in 415 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: tin Hi Canny say Tenny for skin. He stay five 416 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty celty at kink Nike Tenny nine ten 417 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: goady and we got Dick Jenny machine. And he says, 418 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: maybe we're gonna cut in on this last part of 419 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: this tape to explain that danks my father Mr Till somehow, 420 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: some way, this is Joyce be class today in doing 421 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: these dicta belts. A girl told me that she stole cars. 422 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: They got all all messed up. I got it down today. 423 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: I love my mother. How nice it is for us 424 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: to be in here playing with this machine and my 425 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: father's sitting on the catch reading the paper. Mama's out 426 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: in the kitchen doing the dishes, and I'm up. You 427 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: don't eat your spaghetti and meatballs all gone exposure to sista. 428 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: And remember this is scare Jimmy Phillips, good night. You 429 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: have to just take up that big skip um. Just 430 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: being recorded on Saturday, March thirty, nineteen hundred and sixty three. 431 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm five years old and I'm in kindergarten. I cleaned 432 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: the upstairs and Daddy enjoyed getting here. That's fair. I 433 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: painted the sand box. Then Jimmy and Joy were all 434 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: buddy duddy. So in a few years of anybody ever 435 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: listening to us for setimental reasons there it is unco 436 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: thanking to do it. We have jim at a much 437 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: earlier age with Joy finishing off the tape not to stay. 438 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: They must have been doing some of them in the office. 439 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: And I'm in and out office in which we are recording, 440 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: recording while they're playing with the dick and dictating chen. 441 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: He says, maybe we're going to cut in on this 442 00:34:53,520 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: last part of this tape over or Tony, have shiny 443 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:15,720 Speaker 1: notice moda gord to show my bitch it I made 444 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: that the Johnny Jump. I said it best. The thing 445 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: we are like to hear you think up your so 446 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: users user pleaserable of born on AMASAF thing bank in 447 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: the free and like so we new every tree I 448 00:35:51,640 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: made him a bar twenty was only alright, Michael, Yeah, 449 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: hold on, felm a little bit more. Do you think 450 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: your grandfather was the documentarian before you? I'd say so. 451 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: He used to make most of the trip videos at 452 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,879 Speaker 1: some point. I guess when he got this new cam 453 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: quarter you let me start doing it. I kind of 454 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: took over. I think I did a crappy job. I 455 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: think are right when when you started recording? Did your 456 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: grandfather stopped recording? You know? I don't know if he continued. 457 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure he still records things. I know he goes 458 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: around taking pictures more than anything. As far as film, 459 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: I don't know if they've made any recent films done 460 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: anything like that in a long time. I've never known 461 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: them to document anything on the set. That's why that 462 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: one family cassette so interesting. Do you feel like you've 463 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: followed in some way in your grandfather's footsteps? Certainly that 464 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: motivation was placed on me a lot, and I think 465 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: I took it to heart. Papa always would call me 466 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: his one and only, so my one and only because 467 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: I was his only grandson. I'm going to inherit his 468 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: earth and his family and all these people he's influenced 469 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,399 Speaker 1: and affected where I was going to be the next 470 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: I feel that now heavily great Grandpa Bob was definitely 471 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: the family documentarian and his family, and then my mother 472 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: was in our family. And when he was in the 473 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: convalescence inert at the end of his life, that really 474 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: had an impact on me. When he was there, he 475 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: said something to either me or my mother, saying keep 476 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: shooting the video, and I didn't realize that was like 477 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: a mantra of his, but my mother says it all 478 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: the time, and so it's a mantra of mine now too. 479 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: The document I think this is my favorite spot in 480 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: Quebec thus far. So where are we right now? The 481 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: Grand Canyon? Where do you call it back? So they're going, yes, 482 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: say Louis, I get this feeling, Oh, that thing just 483 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: passed me by. I wish I had that, And then 484 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 1: I get this other feeling like I've got my phone 485 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: out and I'm recording my cat. Well, that's never a 486 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: bad idea. But I've got my phone out and I'm 487 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,800 Speaker 1: recording something, and I wish I was just interacting with 488 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: this moment and living in it. But I turned my 489 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 1: phone off, and I'm worried that I'm missing it. How 490 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 1: do you use when to hit record? As soon as 491 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: I got my video degree, I felt this pressure from 492 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: my family is like, well, you're gonna be the one. 493 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: He was like taking movie quality images of everything we're 494 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: going to be doing. I have not been doing that. 495 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: I want to be there with those people in those moments. 496 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: But at the same time, if we don't record it 497 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: in any way, then it is gone. And those two 498 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: ideas exists always together at the same time. When I 499 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: went to Maui with your mom on our honeymoon, we 500 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: ended up at a hotel which was very, very swanky, 501 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: that had a nice breakfast and they had black swans 502 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 1: swimming in a pod on the Lennai. We got really 503 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: lost trying to get to the restaurant, and we ended 504 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: up windering through the hotel pool, not literally through the water. Now, 505 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: mind you, we're in Maui. There are beautiful beaches in 506 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: every direction, but there were all of these rich people 507 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: on lounge chairs, and it was packed, and there were 508 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: no less than five guys standing around the pool with 509 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,280 Speaker 1: camcorders videoing all of the rich people in their chairs. 510 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, Hey, there is nothing going on here, 511 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: why are you filming this? And b I don't want 512 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: to be a guy who spends all of his time 513 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: videoing what's going on instead of being part of what's 514 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: going on. And that is the way I've always lived 515 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: my life. And I always feel guilty about it because 516 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: I feel like there needs to be a record. I 517 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: don't want to begin O Santi Vick and necks one. 518 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 1: They're your loved ones. And when their children, everything they 519 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: do is fantastic, Every new thing that they learn or 520 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: that they show you is awesome. I mean, it's all inspiring. 521 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: So why wouldn't you record it? Why wouldn't you record 522 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: it so that you can watch it when they're a 523 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: couple of years older, or you get older, when they're 524 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: out of your house, so that their children can see 525 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 1: what they were like when they were little. Because it's fleeting, 526 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: especially when it's someone's childhood that goes back quickly. You 527 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 1: say thank you again. Okay, I think we're gonna turn 528 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: it off now now that it's still going. I don't, Joe, 529 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: I can't. I think about it this way. If I 530 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: know my wife is they're enjoying a moment with my son, 531 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,320 Speaker 1: that she's so present with him that the thought of 532 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,800 Speaker 1: getting her camera out or any kind of recording device 533 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: and hitting record is nowhere near where her mind is. 534 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: But I'm, you know, a bit of a third party 535 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: to what's occurring. That's when I will record and things 536 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: like that. It's registering that you're talking and showing you 537 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: sound wave, but to what sound way you see when 538 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: you talk? It makes it go up and down? Watch this, 539 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: Watch this, watch the sound like you all? Is it 540 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 1: a little back. My sister and her husband live in 541 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,280 Speaker 1: Phoenix with their six children. My parents are in South Carolina. 542 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: You and I are here, so is Andy. And so 543 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 1: when we're all together, I want to film as much 544 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 1: as possible. I want to take snapshots as much as possible, 545 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: because we're so far apart from each other, and those 546 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 1: more much that we're together are so important and so 547 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: happy and so joyous. Wow. I can enjoy it and 548 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: be in the moment. I also want to preserve and 549 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 1: no one and her family thinks twice about taking a 550 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: photo when we're all together, but are you doing or video? 551 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: And when we're all together eggs, one green egg and 552 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: help everyone experiences family time together like that too, because 553 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 1: well it may put some people on the spot to 554 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: like be in a video recording. I think I'll be 555 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: so grateful that someone took the time to preserve that 556 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: in ten years time. There have been lots of family 557 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 1: occasions where I wish I had taken a couple of photos, 558 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: because that's not the same thing. Videoing something live is 559 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,760 Speaker 1: almost all considered. It requires almost all of your attention, 560 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,760 Speaker 1: and you can't talk because you're gonna be the loudest 561 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: voice in the video if you talk, and you can't 562 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 1: put the camera down because you're gonna miss something. I 563 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 1: guess it is a delicate balance of when to record 564 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: and when to quote unquote be in the moment, But 565 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: I don't think that those things are mutually exclusive. You're 566 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 1: in the moment and recognizing that it's a very special 567 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,279 Speaker 1: time and you want to preserve it. It seems to 568 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,879 Speaker 1: me my parents used to take a snapshot like every 569 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: time we opened a present. This is the days of 570 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: the instematic camera, so not good snapshots is what you 571 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: should read into that. It was exciting for them that 572 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: we were opening the presents as little children, but the 573 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 1: photo wasn't necessarily worth anything after that. Maybe I'm wrong, 574 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, but they thought it was important to 575 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: spend the money to buy the film and take the 576 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: photo in the moment and then get it developed. And 577 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: then they look at it and they're like, oh, yeah, 578 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: it was Christmas December nineteen two footage. Oh Alex Williams. 579 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: This Christmas party for Uma is pretty school. This is 580 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: young man. It's preparing the documentation for this tape. He 581 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 1: is ready to go to the party, a party which 582 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: he may never remember, but in which he will enjoy himself. Nonetheless, Victoria, Matt, 583 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,320 Speaker 1: Michael and I all came of age as digital recording 584 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 1: technology overtook the old ways of doing things. Nostalgia's side, 585 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 1: is there something special about analog media, some intrinsic property 586 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: that does not translate into binary I think it all 587 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: has to do with having a physical interaction. Imagine that 588 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 1: moment where you're going to the closet, like my grandfather, 589 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 1: did you open the closet, you smell the clothes that 590 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: have been there for a while. The boxes that are 591 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit dusty. You reach up and you 592 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,200 Speaker 1: pull out an old shoe box or some thing that 593 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 1: has cassettes lined up in it, and you open that 594 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: box and you pull out a cassette tape. You hit 595 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 1: the eject button on your cassette player, You slide that 596 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,120 Speaker 1: cassette and you make sure it's perfectly in there. You're closing, 597 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 1: you hit that play butt, and then this voice comes 598 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: through of someone that you love. I mean, that's a 599 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,360 Speaker 1: magical thing. I don't know if it's just because of 600 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: when we grew up and what we experienced and living 601 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 1: through that, but it's not the same as moving your 602 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: mouths over your track pad over and clicking on a 603 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,759 Speaker 1: file or just hitting spacebar that kind of connects you 604 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,759 Speaker 1: more with the past. I feel like that hard plastic 605 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: VHS tape and you know, you could pop the top 606 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,440 Speaker 1: off and look at the magnetic tape and run your 607 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 1: finger across it, and I hope that your VCR is 608 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: not going to eat it up. Do you feel that 609 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,760 Speaker 1: way about Real too? Real? Yeah? I think it's great 610 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,399 Speaker 1: the sound of its spinning, especially when it real ends 611 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: and it's just hitting the tape against the machine. It 612 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: almost seems like it has this warm quality to it, 613 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,439 Speaker 1: but that could all be in my head completely. There's 614 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: a reason we still print out family photos and put 615 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: them on our walls, so that we can be reminded 616 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 1: of this beautiful, tangible moment. We are attracted to a 617 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: VHS tape or a DVD or a real to real 618 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,320 Speaker 1: this quote unquote archaic technology or this this out of 619 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 1: date medium. But it's also so romantic that you're holding 620 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: something that they held for our grandfather's, grandmother's This was 621 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 1: the everyday, commonplace thing that they had when they were 622 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: young or when they were, you know, raising their children. 623 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 1: You could watch it tonight when you have prints. It's 624 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 1: so tangible. And when you guys were young, all of 625 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 1: our photography was on princes and we have all of 626 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,879 Speaker 1: that soul. Whether we should or not, you know, because 627 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: some of them are terrible photos. But I worry about 628 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 1: digital photography a lot. I have this bad feeling that 629 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,799 Speaker 1: people are losing parts of their family history all around 630 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: the world because people are crappy at managing computers and 631 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,920 Speaker 1: they just die out of the blue on you. It's like, oh, man, 632 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,600 Speaker 1: all of my personal files were on that hard drive, 633 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: and I think pushing it all online, like into the 634 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,960 Speaker 1: cloud or into Facebook or any photo service possibly more perilous, 635 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: just because how much are you exposing your family to 636 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,080 Speaker 1: the world. We're all giving our data away without even 637 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,799 Speaker 1: realizing it. The things that we count on from our 638 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: childhood's like my grandma's horrible eight millimeter films shot out 639 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,720 Speaker 1: the window of the Lincoln. Those are kind of special, 640 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,840 Speaker 1: the bad eight millimeter of me jumping off a stump. 641 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 1: When I was two. My stepmother, her daughter died, and 642 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,200 Speaker 1: one of the things she regretted the most about it 643 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,360 Speaker 1: she never had a recording of her voice, no audio, 644 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: and she was afraid she would forget what it sounded like. 645 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,920 Speaker 1: That's such a big part of the identity of a person, 646 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:29,880 Speaker 1: their voice and how they sound. And I told you 647 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,279 Speaker 1: about that when that when I heard that, and that 648 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,600 Speaker 1: had a big impact on me. I feel like, maybe 649 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 1: that's why I've been so focused on these family recordings, 650 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:46,200 Speaker 1: some just trying to document voices. When you you asked 651 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 1: me to come down and talk, I started thinking about 652 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,120 Speaker 1: do I have any sound of my dad because he's 653 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,360 Speaker 1: the one who's so absent from my family of origin, 654 00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,800 Speaker 1: because he died so young. It's it makes really uncomfortable 655 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,239 Speaker 1: sometimes to think about the fact that I've outlived him 656 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,239 Speaker 1: by more than ten years now, And so I think 657 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 1: back to my dad because he was so alive and 658 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: so present whenever we were together as a family, which 659 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: was a lot. And whether I actually have any of 660 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: his voice recorded, because I bet you've never heard it, folks. 661 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,400 Speaker 1: Judy and I have a few things we wanted to 662 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,080 Speaker 1: say to you before the children come down, and they'll 663 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,080 Speaker 1: be a part of this tape later on or on 664 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,520 Speaker 1: the other side, depending up put how long it goes. 665 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,640 Speaker 1: We just found this aunt Jennifer and Uncle Day have 666 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,400 Speaker 1: spent their Saturday tracking down this cassette and the hardware 667 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,160 Speaker 1: to digitize it. Well, what was the first thing we 668 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to him about, dear, Well, we were 669 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 1: going to tell him about the heavy snowfall we've had 670 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:54,680 Speaker 1: within the last couple of days. I mean, you were 671 00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,480 Speaker 1: already the family documentary because some for some reason, you're 672 00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,160 Speaker 1: a thirteen year old kid and you like feel like 673 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,759 Speaker 1: compulsed and to turn the camera on and document things 674 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,600 Speaker 1: as mundane as like you know, sitting in the car 675 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,280 Speaker 1: and checking out the new hotel room. With the bathroom. 676 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,200 Speaker 1: Looks like that complusion is already there, but maybe they 677 00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,920 Speaker 1: put a finer point on it. Yeah, yeah, no, it 678 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,160 Speaker 1: it affected me in a way. I kind of started 679 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,680 Speaker 1: thinking about who's going to die next, and how I'm 680 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:29,319 Speaker 1: going to possibly get their voys their voice any time 681 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,840 Speaker 1: for anything in any medium. That's tens of thousands easily. 682 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,880 Speaker 1: How many tapes do you think we've made together? Oh? Man? Uh, 683 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 1: tapes of any time? Tapes where it's audio tape, videotape, 684 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:50,920 Speaker 1: digital tape. Over a hundred, maybe hundreds. It's all right, 685 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,279 Speaker 1: we'll we'll do it again later. We were kind of 686 00:51:53,400 --> 00:52:05,680 Speaker 1: obsessively recording on tape cassette for a while. First, how 687 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,880 Speaker 1: many times do you think that we've been together and 688 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:18,480 Speaker 1: hit record? H O? Could I could go into the 689 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 1: thousands maybe, And most of the times we kept the 690 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,160 Speaker 1: first thing, even though it would have been better if 691 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 1: we've just done it one more time. Yeah. Yeah, But 692 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,719 Speaker 1: then you know there's something to that as well. I 693 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,000 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, you get to hear all these 694 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: mistakes and how it just how it sounded when it 695 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,239 Speaker 1: first was born, hearing the birth of something. How many 696 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:47,439 Speaker 1: times we recorded something? Oh, it's uncountable. There's how many 697 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,400 Speaker 1: photos of cats do you and I trade on a 698 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: daily basis? I would say, on a on a low day, 699 00:52:54,760 --> 00:53:00,080 Speaker 1: two or three on a good day, ten snapshots that 700 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,279 Speaker 1: you're going to see in a couple of hours. But 701 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,480 Speaker 1: you think that they really have two cats, But they're 702 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 1: being so precious and so sweet and so like evil 703 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,360 Speaker 1: that day, and you just have to take a snapshot, 704 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,640 Speaker 1: even though you're gonna come home to it in a 705 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 1: couple of hours. But it's that important right then. I 706 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,640 Speaker 1: think it's so amazing that that could touch someone so instantaneously. 707 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 1: Someone's had any really crap day at work and you 708 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,600 Speaker 1: send them a cat photo day made like you feel 709 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:34,800 Speaker 1: much later? Where are you some vicious today? How? I 710 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,840 Speaker 1: think it's amazing that cost doesn't weigh into whether someone 711 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,520 Speaker 1: can be the documentary and their family now, not to 712 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,320 Speaker 1: do any extent that it was in the fifties and 713 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,719 Speaker 1: sixties and even in the nineties when I was growing up. 714 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 1: A camera is expensive. Just get the shot, Um, yeah, 715 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,960 Speaker 1: I got it. Why do you think we recorded so 716 00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,200 Speaker 1: many things just kind of being obsessive about it? I 717 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,120 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I I guess we both came 718 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,440 Speaker 1: from backgrounds where we had the tools to record and 719 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,560 Speaker 1: do all of this stuff. Mari. When we first got together, 720 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,560 Speaker 1: it was on a film project. We have watched that recently. 721 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,520 Speaker 1: I bet it was horrible. It's not great, it's rough. 722 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,359 Speaker 1: We're editing on a VHS tape. Thanks for that, Dad. 723 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,120 Speaker 1: I have a lot of stories about dobbing. I try 724 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 1: to be very cognizant of what should be easily disposable 725 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,719 Speaker 1: in case I should pass on, because I think a 726 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,200 Speaker 1: lot about what happened to my mom when my dad died. 727 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: But I have my weakness is I have a lot 728 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,920 Speaker 1: of VHS tapes, a lot of which are probably not 729 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,319 Speaker 1: very watchable anymore, and haven't figured out a good way 730 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,520 Speaker 1: to recycle him. You know, they won't take him in 731 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,839 Speaker 1: the big blue bin. I spent a lot of time 732 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,440 Speaker 1: collecting media or I have at least at various junctures, 733 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:58,759 Speaker 1: like with my DVR and video tapes. We are all 734 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,000 Speaker 1: interested in the future of all that is where you 735 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,879 Speaker 1: and I are going to spend the rest of all eyes. 736 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,960 Speaker 1: I like to think that other people have enjoyed the 737 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 1: things that I've recorded, but it's mostly for me. I 738 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,760 Speaker 1: know that such a the will affect you in the future. 739 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,120 Speaker 1: But the stuff you don't get rid of by chance 740 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,560 Speaker 1: or by choice, the good they're not so good. What 741 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,840 Speaker 1: happens to all of it? Thick and I have been 742 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,160 Speaker 1: fixing up our old house, which inevitably means sorting ephemera. 743 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,680 Speaker 1: What goes to a thrift store, what goes to a friend, 744 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,120 Speaker 1: what you try to sell, what you need to recycle, 745 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,680 Speaker 1: what you have to throw out, and what you keep. 746 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,960 Speaker 1: We have a historical box that has you and Max's 747 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,200 Speaker 1: stuff in it, and I have a history box that 748 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,800 Speaker 1: has stuff from my childhood in it. There are some 749 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,640 Speaker 1: amazing things in there that, like I would not be 750 00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,840 Speaker 1: able to not cry if I pulled out and explain 751 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,400 Speaker 1: to you what they were. People who have been important 752 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:13,480 Speaker 1: in my life, who have been dead for decades. More 753 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,640 Speaker 1: than likely they're just gonna get boxed up and left 754 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:21,799 Speaker 1: in the attic someone's attic, maybe my kids or my grandkids. 755 00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,560 Speaker 1: I would hope something like that would happen versus them 756 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:30,520 Speaker 1: getting tossed out. Really, what's the difference? I mean, I 757 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,759 Speaker 1: guess if they're stored somewhere, then there's the possibility that 758 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,920 Speaker 1: someone could find it later, in versus if they get 759 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:41,400 Speaker 1: thrown out, give me something to think about this. They 760 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,359 Speaker 1: will just fall apart on their own too. Yeah, that'll 761 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,799 Speaker 1: take a while. I don't know what the shelf life 762 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,400 Speaker 1: for a cassette tape is, but some of those reels 763 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,160 Speaker 1: I have are recorded back in the fifties and they 764 00:56:53,239 --> 00:57:01,200 Speaker 1: still have audio on them. I'm also we wasted a trips. 765 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,400 Speaker 1: Now we've gotta go. Now, goodbye, We've gotta see mommy 766 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,360 Speaker 1: by Daddy, Bye Jimmy, by everybody. Let's listening to this 767 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,600 Speaker 1: take someday with this, it's a very talk of woman, 768 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:17,000 Speaker 1: and I'm so sorry to wold from your first joint. 769 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 1: And there lest farewell, cruel world. Goodbye, we gotta go 770 00:57:22,560 --> 00:58:25,320 Speaker 1: a home and see you later. M Ephemeral Season one 771 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:30,000 Speaker 1: was written and assembled by Millions and produced by Annie Reese, 772 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:35,000 Speaker 1: Not Frederick and Tristan McNeil, with technical assistance from Sherry Larson, 773 00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,920 Speaker 1: Matt Michael Victoria. Thank you for sharing your families with me. 774 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,600 Speaker 1: Albums to stream and handmade reels to buy at Michael 775 00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,280 Speaker 1: Weaver dot bandcamp dot com, and a podcast to stay 776 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,160 Speaker 1: in touch with at Ephemeral dot Show.