WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Ceelo Green Part 2 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.040 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:08.200 What Up y'all? It's like yeah, And this week we 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.719 are traveling back back back back to June of twenty 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.800 twenty when we finally caught up with se Lo Green. 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:16.599 Yep, se Lo Green. 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.960 He talks about finding his boys, Goodie Mob, Naarls Barkley 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.000 and all the good stuff. It's so good that it's 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.680 a two parter. We know you love those. As we 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.160 queue that up for you, don't forget to make sure 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.480 you check out our whole Dungeon Family series of interviews. 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:35.240 Oh yeah, y'all, from Organized Noise to My Girl Joy 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:40.520 to even quests one on one with Andre three thousand. Yep, 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.240 it happened. So here is part two of se Lo 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:46.000 Green on Questlove Supreme. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:53.160 How does one? 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:57.360 Well, it's actually two parter because you know you said 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.920 you didn't you really weren't with the direction of the record. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:06.880 Who is the alpha, Who's the Who's who's the alpha? 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:07.319 Goodie? 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:14.560 That one is the anchor that brings everyone together to 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:19.560 have a meeting or or discussion about it or My 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:24.560 second question is how do you dissolve the situation? 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:24.920 How? 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.760 What was what was the process of you leaving the 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:33.920 group to start Your Perfect Imperfections and the Soul Machine projects. 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:38.160 Well we had just done not too long ago maybe, 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:41.319 like you know, I think in March, you know, our 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:43.839 episode of Unsung had added and we kind of touched 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.200 on that, and you know me, it was me and 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:50.800 Timo that discussed very you know, very plainly that you know, 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.680 after that project, everybody wanted to venture out and do 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:59.400 solo solo projects. You know, everybody's always had an ambition 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.600 to do it, but like we kind of stumbled upon 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.960 our own synergy and became kind of you know, you know, 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.280 safeguarded by that, you know what I mean, Like, you know, 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:11.560 because we did ultimately have three consecutive Gold Reference but 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.120 we were only kind of like slated to do just 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.040 one record, I mean, being that it was just meant 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.919 to be a compilation. And then also we were friends 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.320 and and and you know, like and we were kind of, 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.959 you know, if you will, ganged in like you know 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:26.960 what I mean, Like we loyal like down with each other. 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.040 So it's like, you know, everybody felt a certain kind 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.959 of way by feeling anything ulterior to you know what 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.200 I mean, Like, uh, you know, goodie, you know what 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.240 I mean, like you know, but you know, I had 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:37.919 to be true to dying self, you know what I mean, 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.080 Like you know, because the fact of the matter is 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.680 I was always poised to be a solo artist anyway, 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.239 and that that point I really was ready, you know 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.800 what I'm saying, Like I can honestly say at the beginning, 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.480 I wasn't. But that after three albums and after touring 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.880 consecutively and accomplishing what we accomplished, I said, Okay, I 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.920 think we you know, I think we made out our 0:02:56.040 --> 0:03:00.320 you know, our our impression. It's like this, so I 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.520 I knew somewhat, I mean, of what I could accomplish 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.840 if I applied myself outside of Goodie Mob. 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.320 I mean, like you think the Santana record kind of 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:10.440 helped you get it? 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:10.840 Did? 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:11.959 Oh? 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:12.040 It? 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.000 Did it? Did? I gotta I gotta give thanks and 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.239 praise to miss Lauren Hill, you know, I mean, like 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:19.120 who reached out to me. We all befriended each other 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:24.040 on those first tours roots you know, uh, Goody Mob 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.240 and the Foujis. You know what I'm saying, Like you know, 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.200 it's so so with that she came and got me, 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.840 you know, and I didn't even really. I knew that 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.600 I had a I knew that I could sing, but 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.960 I wasn't really tripping, you know, but you know it 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:43.760 was her. Joy and Erica bad are the first. You know, 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:45.920 that's like the holy Trinity, right man? And I'm saying, 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.920 you feel me like I worked with them separately. I 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.480 remember going to to New York when Erica wants and 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:55.560 she and she wanted me to come out on stage 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.560 and just sing something. And I said, okay, well what 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.320 you want me to do? She said, just just do 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:03.520 whatever you want to do? And I just hommed and 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:09.360 moaned and wailed and then and then I sung background 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:10.400 vocals for Joy too. 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.840 So still, have you done any so in your in 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:16.200 your evolution as a singer, have you done any maintenance 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.359 on your voice, any kind of coach like, because it 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.479 seems like as you evolved, got into that Narls bag 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.680 and stuff, and you started experimenting with the different things 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:27.360 in your voice that you know, it was shouting. 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:32.520 Starting to come out. Well, damn question, What was your question? Again? 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:33.840 I just want to make sure I get it, you 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:34.200 know what I mean? 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:35.600 How did you quit the group? 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.839 It was? It was, it was agreed upon, we all 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:45.520 had an understanding. Now how it digressed into you know 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.120 what I mean, like a lot of a lot of 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.039 the internal riffings and you know, you know they kind 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.559 of you know, spilled over into the street. I really 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.480 don't know what I mean, Like I really wasn't emotionally 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.240 vested in that way. I mean, like because it was 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.680 my understanding that there was an understand I mean, like 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:04.359 you know, I was defaulted and I mean, like, you know, 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.600 like out of the group because I had always felt like, yo, 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:08.640 like we're gonna try these other things and then we'll 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:13.000 come back, you know, as we ultimately end up you know, doing. 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:18.080 But yeah, me too, come back. 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.279 And come back to it. And I mean so so 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.279 with that, you know what I mean, I just knew 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:24.960 that it was time for me to make a move. 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.799 And it's funny that man get talking about this recently. 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.320 He said, Man, well, you know you were right. I mean, 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.080 like it's not something that we could have foresaw, you 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.040 know what I mean, like, you know and give answers 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.640 that the best. On the episode of Unsong, he said, 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:42.320 I knew that, you know, that time would ultimately come 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.880 at some point, he said, But no matter when that 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.520 time came, it most likely wasn't gonna ever be the 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.320 right time for me, you know what I'm saying. And 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.159 I didn't. I didn't know that they cared that much. 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:55.240 You know what I'm saying. You feel me like, you know, 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.960 because I also looked at music as recreation. So when 0:05:59.960 --> 0:06:03.680 I came out with Closet Freaking did that album, that's 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.800 just me, you know, having fun, just kind of like 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.280 peacocking and showing people. Hey, man, like I got other 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.000 stuff in me, you know what I'm saying. I could 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:12.400 do all other kind of shit. 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.800 Me my favorite record, oh, my favorite song on that album, 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:17.960 Like it wasn't even like a full song, but I 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:18.640 love it to death. 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.120 Base head Jazz. Yeah, I love that fucking song. 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:22.280 Man. 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:23.880 That was the one for me. I played that shit 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:24.880 on repeat for hours. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.680 You want to know something double about bassa jazz And 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:28.400 a lot of people say that, man, like the reason 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:30.400 why the beat keeps cutting off because it got it 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.400 got erased and I just left it like that, like 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:38.719 you know, so uh, you know me because I produced 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:40.240 all of that stuff and a lot of people don't 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:41.680 know you know what I mean? 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.680 Your own Well, it's that thing. 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.000 It's that thing, bro, And I'm gonna tell you question. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:50.800 I know you're trying to get me to dig into it. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:56.120 It's like I will say, around that time, I didn't 0:06:56.200 --> 0:07:00.440 really I didn't really ask for help. I just kind 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:05.680 of thought that help should be volunteered. And I thought that, 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.919 you know, at some point, everybody would want me to 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:14.640 realize my own potential. I mean, like you know, because 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.320 again I didn't really feel like I was diminishing myself 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:18.880 in any kind of way. I thought that it was 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:24.320 just a you know, a vetting process or like or 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.880 like a preliminary you know what I mean, like you know, 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.320 like you know, you know or you know some sort 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.679 some some type of you know, incubation kind of process 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.080 that I was going through to get to a certain point. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.080 And that's not to discount or you know, be condescended 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.920 toward what we did or do collectively. Soing like I 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:47.640 love the crew our Lonely show, I only ever show solidarity. 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.080 And I'm saying you feel me like I'm built like that, 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.520 Like I'm a team I'm a team kind of guy 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.080 just like you. Anytime I look at Jimmy Fallon quest, 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.280 I love y'all because I've known y'all for so long, 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.200 and I'm like, I'm like, look at that man knowing 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:05.800 like that that man you know, his team trust him. 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:07.800 You know what I'm saying. You feel me like they 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:09.840 honor his word. I mean like they really need to 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.040 go in to battle with him when lose a draw. 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:13.680 You know what I'm saying, You feel me. And when 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.480 you ask who's that alpha male? I could? I could 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.080 you know that alpha individual? You know what I'm saying, 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.920 Like and our collective, no one wants to assume that position, 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.040 you know what I'm saying. Like, so therefore I will 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.040 say this honestly and transparence to just so I can 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:28.920 give you something wrong. You know what I mean, Like 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:33.680 there's a great deal of appeasement that goes on internally. 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.280 You know what I mean, Like, you know, to make 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:40.520 sure that everybody you know that no equilibrium is offset. 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:44.800 So I even I put my accomplishments on the shelf, 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.559 you know what I mean, Like when I come home 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.120 to the collective. You know what I mean, Like you know, 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.839 like I'm I'm I'm low. I'm saying like I'm baby brother, 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.640 I'm a little bro. All that you say you feel 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.319 me and I love that And I'm saying, like, because 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:02.199 I like having og. I'm saying like, you know, I'm 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.480 a luck that's just that's my hardwinery. You know what 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.960 I'm saying. You feel soul. I really don't mind, you 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.760 know what I'm saying, Like, because I know at the moments, notice, 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:15.760 I can go elsewhere and behold on command. I can 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.640 be whole, you know what I'm saying. And I'm only 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.319 whole because because because I because crew is inclusive, and 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.440 let me say that too, so the benefit of it 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:29.120 is bilateral. I'm not whole without the collective. I love 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:29.720 my guys. 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.640 So in the time that you leave the group and 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:38.720 you start your solo career, of course you know outcasts, 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:45.640 you know, they create this this monstrous diamond album that's 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.679 in its capable to the world as far as an eclipse, 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:56.440 and then what happens with you is like, in my 0:09:56.640 --> 0:10:01.640 mind at least in two thousand and three, thought hey, 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.040 I would just be a defining moment and that that 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:10.439 would eclipse everything. Yeah, and then you come here with 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:14.960 a new project with like the most I mean, I 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:19.760 would borderline say that the rival of crazy and the 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:26.800 the kind of the term viral, viral moments viral like Crazy, 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.040 I almost feel is the first viral song, at least 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.360 in the terms of which the word viral started to 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:37.000 be used in everyone's lexicon. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:38.840 And I'm not going to argue with. 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.000 Me to the point where like where I mean, even 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:49.520 Paris Hilton had her her cover of it. How uncomfortable 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.560 was it for you to accept what I assume is 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:59.320 a very unexpected moment where I would assume that, like 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.319 Nols Barkley was just like, hey, let's just do a 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:07.200 little QT side project with my weirdo friend Brian here 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:11.160 and then I'll go do my third record, which, incidentally, 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.200 I mean, if anything, fuck you probably. 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:16.360 Surpassed Crazy. 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:20.199 I don't know, like numbers wise, what was more inescapable 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.199 as far as the bigger song. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:24.280 Was it uncomfortable for. 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:30.199 You to finally get like the overdue kind of accolades 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:35.120 due to you, especially from the environment you came from? 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:35.880 Yeah, because you. 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.960 Were pretty much Andreeine, I. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:50.960 Like for real, you know, I mean, yes. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:54.680 I love it. No, but look man, okay, so no, 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.080 I thought that it was dope, you know what I mean? 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:01.360 Like you know that you know, those two dynamics could 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.480 come out come out of one crew. So therefore I 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.080 had always felt like it was, you know, it was faded, 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.080 you know what i mean, Like and it was and 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.480 we were favored, you know what I mean, Like you know, 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.160 I would love you know, I can appreciate more and 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:20.640 can benefit more with having him as an alliance as 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:22.400 opposed to an opponent, you know what I mean. Like 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.440 at least we were, you know, alongside of each other, 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.880 you know what I mean, like pushing our agenda forward, 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:30.880 you know, and waving our flag, you know what I mean, 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:32.800 Like you know, we shared the same flag. So like 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.440 it's just like you know, and I know that it's 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.560 typically just kind of one standout person. I mean, like 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:42.120 you got one Jordan on the on the ninety whatever 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.760 year fucking bulls, the ninety three bull or whatever, you 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.920 know what I'm saying. And I definitely don't didn't. I 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.200 didn't consider myself a Pippin, you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:55.240 and that's no insult, and so to him, so very seldom, 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.040 you know what I mean, Like you know, it seems 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.480 like chemically it would almost kind of blow up in 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.920 your face to have a Kobe, you know, And can 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:08.880 you imagine Kobe and Jordan on the same team. You know, yeah, 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.840 I think so. I think so. And even when we 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:16.000 talk about Outcast being a trio, I kind of actually 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.440 I could be rational and saying to myself like that 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.160 might be too much. What I'm saying, you feel me, 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.440 it might have been too much, you know, And so 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.960 I'm glad that whatever I could contribute was just enough 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.480 to signify Goodie Mob in the way that I hated it, 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.079 know what I'm saying, you know, because I did my partner, 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.920 and that's all that I'm there to do. So in 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.520 going forward, you know what I mean, Like, no, I didn't. 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.199 I felt like everything was happening kind of right on time, 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.320 you know what I mean. I feel like, you know, 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.560 as long as I could be a success at being myself, 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.800 I've got my whole life to do it. It didn't 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:48.520 have to be you know, it didn't have to be 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:50.679 a facade. I mean, like all a freak of nature, 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.480 you know what I mean. Like it's like, you know, 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.199 I got a chance to just you know, be that 0:13:55.360 --> 0:14:00.319 genuine article, you know, individual account of interpretive arts. You 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:01.760 know what I'm saying, You I mean, like that that's it. 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.840 And what I mean, like you know I got with 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.080 Danger Mouse and I knew that he was, you know, 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.719 peculiar and eccentric, you know, much like myself, you know 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.280 what I mean, like in private, and I knew that. 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.920 You know, our misery gave each other company, you know 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:17.640 what I'm saying. You know, when I heard his music, 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.720 I think my only misery was the fact that you know, 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.520 I had not addressed this emotion sooner, you know what 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:30.200 I mean, Like you know in my repertoire get Yeah, yeah, 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.920 you know what I'm saying. But it but it was 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.160 the timing was you know, impeccable, you know what I mean, 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.320 because like, but how was the. 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:43.520 Feeling of achieving a zenith and being number one? Like 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.920 is it a be careful for what you asked for 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:51.600 a moment? Like I'm certain that by week eighteen you 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:53.400 were tired or seeing that damn song? 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.640 Well, I tell I tell you this, it happened because 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.760 you're right, it's one of those first viral moments, you 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.240 know what I mean, Like, uh, the first song to 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.880 go to number one by digital download. I mean, like 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.240 it's got it's got a Guinness World record. You know 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.320 what I'm saying, This record, You know what I'm saying. 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.280 And to be totally honest, it was it was it 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:22.720 was utterly uh calming uh and gratifying uh and relieving, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.480 you know what I'm saying, like, you know, because the 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:31.480 the the the motive, the inspiration for the song was, 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:36.160 you know, all of those traumatic you know times that 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:41.520 I could recall of being treated and seen and perceived, 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.800 you know what I mean, like you know, as different 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.160 or crazy or you know, like all of that kind 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.240 of stuff, you know what I mean. And and and 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.640 then I could reflect on how it you know, uh 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:59.040 translated you know in my you know behavior at a time, 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:00.280 you know what I mean, Like you know, because us 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:06.320 that the video for Crazy is the raw shot test. Yes, 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.000 so I Sir Robert Hale, the director, I had a 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.120 conversation with him, and this is where it came from. 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.360 I was telling him about those times when I was 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.960 in elementary school, middle school, and I would get pulled 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.480 out of the class and taken into you know, an 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.760 office or empty room and they would do those tests 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.760 on me, you know what I mean, Like I didn't 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.480 know what it means. I wasn't really paying attention, you know, 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:30.760 and I didn't know if I don't know if and 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.520 I honestly can't recall it if I was pleasuling academically, 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.280 I don't know what I was doing besides the behavior 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:39.960 that I can recall that would make motherfucker think that 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:41.760 I was, you know, I mean like needed to be 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:50.440 prescribed writtling. I'm saying, Yes, so crazy. The reason why 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:54.080 it resonated in such a way because it was so 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:59.160 real and the resent was so deep in me. I 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.960 hated being, you know, like called crazy, you know, I mean, 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.920 like you feel me or considered crazy, and so therefore 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.399 that's why it cuts so deep for me, and I 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.560 meant it so much, and I was so sincere, you 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:19.200 know what I mean, And at that point I was relieved. 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.200 It's almost like I could have died, you know what 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:21.639 I'm saying. 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:27.640 Well, then I'll ask you, did it sort of irk 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:31.119 you a little bit? Once the song ran out of 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.679 control and everybody in their mom had to cover it. 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:39.879 I mean there was country versions and Charactis version and 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.119 like all these like did it take away from the 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.080 from the specialness to well, like. 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:52.119 Like Dangel Mouse, he's what's the word, he's neurotic in 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.960 that way, he's uh what they call it? A purist, 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.240 you know what I'm saying, Like there's certain things he 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.639 won't do, like you know, he will take a picture 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.280 sitting on the left side of the you know, it's 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.920 he's really pocket protector type, like you know what I mean, 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:09.880 Like we're both kind of nerves in our own way, 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:14.280 but like like you know, he's he's he's he's a 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:15.600 specimen of a person. 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.560 Like you know, so what lesson did you learn? 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.800 And being in a group with him that you didn't 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.920 utilize and being with goodie mob that serves you better? 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:30.040 Can I tell you he told me the greatest I 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.639 got two or three different things that he's told me. 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:36.679 That's the end. But he's a sweet guy, and you know, 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:38.920 you would think he was like some dude that sucking 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:40.800 is a vegan or something like that. But now, like 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.720 all he eats his pizza and hamburgers. It's so you know, 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:55.840 I mean, like right now he lives on the former Connecticut. Okay, 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:57.240 but I tell you what he told me when I 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:01.600 opened up the door, he said, Hey, so before we 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.679 get started, I want to say this, Hey, I am 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:08.439 you know, I'm obviously a fan of of you know, 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.440 most of the work that you do you know what 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:14.240 I mean? And he's he's that's that's what he says. 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:23.560 I'm most of what you do. He said, so, but 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.000 what I've noticed is there there's a reoccurring thing that 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:31.200 runs throughout your work, and there's this this person trying 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:34.879 to do uh and say so much good you know, 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.119 I mean, it's it's it's almost like you're trying to, 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:43.400 uh be redemptive for something. He said, so he said 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.320 it said, so, it's my thinking that anybody trying to 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.840 do that much good has done an equal amount of bad. 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:55.560 And I want you to talk about that. He called 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:58.280 me out. He called me out, and I said, oh, okay, 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:02.280 you know what I'm saying, and I just let it spill. 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:05.680 And I just felt like, Okay, he's a perceptive guy. 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:08.320 And I remember when he was first playing me the 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.840 tracks that ended up becoming Saint Elsewhere. 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:11.240 Uh. 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.959 North Barkley debut album A partner, good friend of mine 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:16.199 who I use as a baramo, the. 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:23.240 Two Stam's minte. What's going on with He's still home? 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.520 He with me, you know what I'm saying. Okay, but 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:27.920 but he he walked in the room to get something. 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:29.679 He said, excuse me, guys grab this recuse. I think 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.119 he got some keys or his phone or something in 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:34.320 the studio. And then you know, in his in his 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.919 own unique way, his personality, as he was walking out 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:38.639 the door, he didn't look back, and the door was 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:40.880 kind of slowly. You know those studio doors, they will 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.600 go back hard and they'll come back soft. So the 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.440 door was softly closed behind him. He said, By the way, 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:52.719 whoever produced that track is crazy, you know. Basically he 0:20:52.760 --> 0:21:00.439 could feel the controlled uh chaos in that production. Because 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.399 I felt like that, I said, God, damn, you know, 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.400 I didn't say it to him. I said, but damn 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.680 this this guy is damaged in a genuine way, you know. 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.320 I mean, like I can tell. I'm like, who makes 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.840 this stuff? You know? And then why is it speaking 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:19.919 to me? So it spoke to my internal you know dialogue, 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:22.800 you know, I mean, my internal chaos, and I was 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:24.680 able to make some sense out of it, you know 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:28.520 what I mean, like, you know, alongside him, and I 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:30.959 just felt like he's like a real partner in crime. 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.240 So one of my favorite songs in that record, which 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:37.520 I always wanted to know, if you'll ever explore more 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:43.280 singing in your baritone voice, I was on the line 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:48.840 and like, how come you haven't decided to explore your 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.920 your your little your little voice. When I heard that 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:55.320 there's a song that I did with Blow. Since I 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:57.280 heard that, I ran to bloud like I was going 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:00.440 to get with him in the studio and I played. 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:00.600 It for him. 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:03.359 I said, Yo, dude, like I want you to do 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:06.120 this song on your little register because it's just something 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:08.760 you never explored before, because everyone expects you to lose 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.720 your mind on every song that you do. That's right, 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:16.439 like a controlled song in your baritune. But yeah, like, 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:17.960 how but. 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:22.199 Will you ever my favorite singers? He can sing so 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:29.919 goddamn good. He's so he's so trippy. I got just 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:32.040 to be out on a couple of different occasions, and 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:33.960 I told him. I was like, Yo, sometimes it's my 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:34.840 favorite record from you. 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:42.400 Yes, all right, yeah. 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:48.800 Anyway, yeah, I'm just shouting yes. No. So I was 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:51.240 just I was just trying to amuse us because I 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:54.879 tell you the story and it's not long, you know. 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:58.960 He he came to Atlanta. We had about eight days 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:03.239 to go in out of pocket independently, you know, and 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:07.760 amuse ourselves. And that's what those sessions were like. You know, 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.200 we're going through different tracks and this, that and the third. 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:14.080 You know, so if I couldn't get anything, like I 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:15.960 said that first day I came, I said, let me 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:18.800 hear this, blah blah blah blah. And I went home 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.040 and I wrote something, and then I wrote I think 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:27.879 just the thought and Necromancer and something else, and I 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:30.159 went back in and and and he would only have 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:34.520 these two minute loops, and I was trying to see, 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:38.560 can I can I can I complete a thought? Or 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:42.480 can I get to a point of realization within those confines? 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:44.760 You know what I mean? So that was I had 0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:48.280 tasked myself in that way, but you know, he had 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:50.840 to go off to Iceland, so we were a little rushed, 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:53.400 not not really knowing really what to expect of each other, 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:56.479 just trying to hope him to get something. I mean, like, 0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:56.880 you know. 0:23:56.880 --> 0:24:00.560 So the whole record in eight days, the whole album much, you. 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:02.800 Know, I mean, like you know, sometimes the best work 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:05.240 is done without thinking it, and you just just. 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:07.359 Didn't think, didn't didn't think about it, you know what 0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:12.159 I mean. Like it was completely and totally unpretentious. I 0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:16.840 promise it's the most honest, organic thing I've ever done. 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:19.720 What I'm saying that worked as well as it did. 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:22.080 Were you a violent fin fin or was he a 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:27.080 violent fifth fin Well? I that shocked me. I was like, oh, ship, 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:28.160 that was. 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:31.400 Definitely his idea. I was familiar with with with violent 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.920 him from Blistering the Sun. And then more more recently 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:36.520 around that time was a song they had put out 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:45.240 called breaking Up. You know, breaking Up right? Yeah? So 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:49.680 I like that record. So I don't know what got 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:51.640 in him to make him think that that. I don't 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:54.919 know what he was doing, but I trusted him in 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:59.640 a very uh uncanny way. He said what he said 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:02.119 to me, I knew that I could trust him. On 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:04.320 another occasion, he told me something else, great he said, 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:06.760 he said low. I guess because he was dealing with 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.879 the executives, and you know, people felt like you know, 0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:12.440 sometimes when people are dealing with the producer, they think 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:16.280 they're dealing with the the texts and balances the math 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:19.760 of a situation. Like you know, songwriting is science, and 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:23.120 science is subject to interpretation. Math as a matter of fact, 0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:26.480 it's exact. So therefore they'd rather talk to him than me. 0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:30.320 Uh So he was dealing with them, and I think 0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:33.640 he got a notion to say. He said, low, man, 0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.320 everybody seems to be scared of you. I'm saying, like, 0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:38.120 you know, because I was writing these songs and people 0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:40.920 not knowing how genuine they are and me like it's 0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:43.480 like goddamn, Like you know, like this got cool? Is 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:46.439 he all right? What I'm saying? You know what I mean? Like, uh, 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:48.760 he said, he said, everybody seems to be scared of you, 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:50.880 he said, but I'm not scared of you, he said, 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:53.440 as a matter of fact, when I'm with you, I'm 0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:54.480 not scared of anything. 0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:55.879 Wow. 0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.119 You know what I'm saying. So that's that's the you know, 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:02.119 that's that's I want to quote him out loud in 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.600 the world with that. I want that to reverberate. And 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:06.760 I'm saying like, you know, like all over because that's 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:08.879 one of the sweetest things anybody ever told me. You 0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:11.840 know what I'm saying, Like and you know, I'm like, 0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:14.280 I'm like Shrek in my own little way, you know 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:17.679 what I'm saying. You feel me like this? You know, 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:24.280 I'm like people have taken me to be because because 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:25.919 at certain at a certain point, like when we got 0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:28.520 to the second Nolge Rock the album, you know, then 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:30.760 his ego started to kick in a little bit, and 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.080 he kind of felt like he was doctor Frankenstein, and 0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:35.120 I was, of course Frankenstein, you know what I'm saying. 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:38.359 And I'm like, well, no, you know what I'm saying, like, 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:41.080 you know, like you know, I'm smarter than that, you know, 0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.040 he says. And then then I then I always find 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:46.960 myself having to assert myself. And then then when I 0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:49.800 get then when we got a problem. 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:51.480 Was it made the opposite way? 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.920 Did you guys spend more time thinking it over and 0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:59.000 and kind of less the approach that you did with 0:26:59.000 --> 0:26:59.679 the first record? 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:05.240 Okay, let me say this. He had to leave through 0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:07.359 through one of those sessions we were doing. We were 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.560 doing something else where. He came in the studio. He 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:13.440 gave me like two copies of the Gray album, which 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:17.720 was the mash up, and when that and when that 0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:20.640 went out, it was like boom. You know what I'm 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.880 saying Like, it was like wow, And then on then 0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:27.720 on the on, then on the other side. I ended 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:32.159 up writing and producing Don't You for the Pussycat Dogs? 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:35.000 So we gotta get that story. 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:37.960 I've never I always wanted to ask, Yeah, we gotta 0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:38.600 get that story. 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:40.040 Man like at that time. 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.800 Well you know, after I remember and I had the two. 0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:46.760 I had perfectin Perfections, I had Sole Machine. You know, 0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.880 they were critically acclaimed. Perfect Perfections was nominated for a Grammy. 0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:50.360 Uh. 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.440 Any Ir ended up beating me out of that Grammy 0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:55.240 that year. I was dominated for a Grammy for that album. 0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:57.560 Uh And she's my sister, so like it was a 0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:00.000 good but I was kind of ready to walk away. 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:02.840 I'll fin yo, like because I'm never really tripping about 0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:05.639 scene being seen or anything like that. Like you know, 0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:08.600 as as extroverted as I am, I really I don't 0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:11.119 really care rolling. I mean, like you know, like I 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:13.760 could just I could write songs and you know and 0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.000 get quiet money and and checking up. You know, like 0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:18.640 I don't know, I'm not shifting. 0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:20.879 Necessary for Brandy. I love that. 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:22.960 I just wanted to say, for I forget the joint. 0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:26.000 You wrote necessary Nigga, I love. 0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:26.560 That's my face. 0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:32.440 Hell yeah, So you know, I'm surprised that she loved 0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:34.919 that record, but like you I mean, like you know 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:37.360 that that's something that I would sentimentally, I would write 0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:39.640 for myself, but like she that record spoke to her, 0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:42.400 and I'm like Brandy she's one of the greatest. Say 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:45.120 she's I love her voice. Ray J is my man, 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:47.080 so like I've known them for years and say, anyway, 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.720 that's that story. But no, you're right. So like I 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:53.360 so I went, I slipped into a songwriting kind of 0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:55.440 space and I was like, well, I'll just do that 0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:58.800 what I'm saying you feel me and I won't trip. Uh. 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.640 But the narge Rocky, I didn't know if it would work, 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:05.000 but again, it was just something recreational. I didn't really 0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.040 you know, I didn't care. I mean, like you know, 0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.840 and I wasn't as concerned, you know, But when you're 0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.080 not looking for it, that's when you find it, you 0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:14.920 know what I mean. And then y'all. 0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:18.120 Perfected y'all Live show to like levels of because I 0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:21.920 remember y'all did the Roofs Picnic and it was amazing, Like. 0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:25.760 Yo, we started kicking ass y'all, like you know, and 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:29.720 that's what happened, you know, like that that journey that 0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:33.040 took me on the journey of ten years, you know, 0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:37.120 between those two albums and touring like you know, and 0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:39.360 you know, then you're supplying you find it, and then 0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:43.760 then it's not a dream anymore. It's reality. But then 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:48.760 you become you know, preoccupied with the with the demand, 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:51.040 you end up having to supply such a large demand. 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:54.880 You know. It's ironic in a way of like, you know, 0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:58.720 you're working hard to kind of make that connection, you know, 0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:00.400 and then once you make it, you got work three 0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:02.440 times it was hard to supply. I mean, you feel 0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:10.080 me like so anyway, no complaints. 0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.600 I believe you're the only human being I know that. 0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:16.560 I don't know if it was at the height of 0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:19.960 crazy or not? Where is it? Did spell this rumor? 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:24.000 Were you not in a room with both Prince and 0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:25.520 Michael Jackson at the same time? 0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:32.040 Yes, heard the story? Did you hear what I am telling? 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:37.520 No, I I don't. I don't know where I heard. 0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:39.680 Maybe I read a blurb or something. But I heard 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:42.920 a rumor and I was like, no, impossible. 0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.800 Of course, I think what happened. You're probably the only 0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:49.400 bigger Prince fan than me than I. Then I can 0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:52.520 acknowledge if I have any knowledge of But yes, like 0:30:52.560 --> 0:31:02.440 you know, princess, like my fairy godfather, Like, yeah, okay, 0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:07.160 So the story goes, we were in Las Vegas doing something. 0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.040 I don't know what we were doing. Maybe we were 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:13.479 on tour, but we ended up at a club and 0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:16.479 there was this beautiful woman there. She was dressed like 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:18.520 what do you call those ladies in the courtroom who's 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:23.840 typing and stuff? Okay, she was dressed like a stenographer, 0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:27.440 half back in a type bond and she was gorgeous 0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:31.000 and like she didn't fit in whatsoever. Right, So we 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.960 walked to the back of the club and we're sitting there, 0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:39.160 you know, Eroding City comes on, boom boom, and we're like, 0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.480 oh shit, Prince, here we go, you know what I'm saying. 0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:46.160 Next thing, you know, Prince walks through there and we're like, 0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:50.520 oh shit, that was Prince. And if you know Prince, 0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:52.080 like I know that, you know, he always does this 0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:54.760 little smirk like you know what I'm saying, Like, it's 0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.440 just a little smirk and that he does. And I 0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:00.760 was like, damn, you know, like at first, the girl 0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:02.400 seems so out of place, I'm like, what is she 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:06.080 doing here? So so anyway, it turns out that she 0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:07.760 was with him and she was some artist that he 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:09.960 ended up putting a record out of her. She was gorgeous. 0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:15.360 I don't remember her name though, but but but but yeah, 0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:19.320 something like that like, so he he uh, he called me, 0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:21.480 so he sent the security over. They called me over, 0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.760 and he said that he loved Crazy. He said he 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:27.960 listened to the album and uh, he listened to the 0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:30.520 same else where. He said it, he said, he said, 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:33.040 he said, must admit though it scared me a little, 0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:38.760 and I said, it scared you. And I'm like, I 0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:43.160 thought that that was so amazing because I'm like, that's 0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:45.160 how I got into Prins because he scared the she 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:46.720 out of me when I was a kid, like you 0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:48.960 know what I mean. Like, but I was drawn to him. 0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:55.120 There's a song called Annie Christian that's scared Death. It 0:32:55.320 --> 0:33:00.040 does thank you right, you know what I'm saying. So 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:03.040 that song was unnerving to me. I don't know why, 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.720 but you know, that's him. That's the that's the magic 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:10.280 of him. But anyway, so anyway, we changed contacts. He 0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:12.800 gets it. He gets in contact with me, and he's 0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:17.040 doing his Vegas residency at the Rio Hotel in the 0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.600 round room. So this room is made like a circle. Okay, 0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:25.640 so I'm there. I get invited down there to perform 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:29.960 Crazy with him at his residency. Me and Will were 0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:31.920 cool too at the time. We were talking a lot 0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:34.240 more frequently, and he said that he was going to 0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:37.160 be there. So we got there and you know, Will 0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:40.520 was in Vegas working with Michael Jackson, you know, doing something. 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:43.600 So we're there, we do you know, I do crazy 0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:47.720 with Prince and Will does whatever he does. And I 0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:49.360 don't know what it was. I don't know if I 0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:51.520 can't remember what record. It was, just maybe some vamp 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:54.760 that they were doing. Prince gets on the base and 0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:58.080 it looks like the longest neck bass I've ever seen, 0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:00.440 Like it was funny. 0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:04.040 Prince is also like five foot zero, so exactly. 0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:09.680 So he walks out into the room and this is 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:14.840 before I knew Michael Jackson was there. So he walks 0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:17.320 out and the spotlight is on him and he gets 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:20.560 right in front of Michael Jackson's table, and I promise 0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:24.200 you the the tip of that base was touching Michael 0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:29.800 Jackson's nose. And he said, there he slapped that base 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:33.560 by two or three minute. Bank bank bank bank bank. 0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:39.360 Michael ain't no pump. And so that was that. 0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:41.759 But what did Michael's face look like? Because he ain't 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:42.240 no pump. 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:44.399 He like, I'm Joe Jackson's son. 0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:48.479 Hold up, Michael Jackson ain't no pump and that's a fact, 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:51.080 you know what I'm saying. Like, but I guess he 0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:54.239 was kind of looking like he was like, Yo, this 0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:59.200 dude just won't quit. Man. You know this has been years, Prince. 0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:04.239 I don't got no problem with you. I don't want 0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:10.000 no smoke with you, little man. But I met you know, 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:12.960 so that was like my second physical time meeting Prince. 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:15.240 The first time at that club. That like the meeting, 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:19.560 the meeting agreement with him at the show. But that 0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:22.319 was my first and only time meeting Michael Jackson and 0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:27.279 Michael Jackson when he stood up Michael Jackson. For those 0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.160 who don't know, he's like ten feet tall. 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:32.319 He's tall. 0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:36.759 He's tall with huge hands. He's like an alien dude 0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:39.279 like you, I mean like he looks like the Predator. This 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:46.920 is a big dude. I got another crazy for Surry too. 0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:50.759 I tell you it, run it. 0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:53.920 Oh no dude, Okay. So one time it was you know, 0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.799 he would do these after Grammy parties and so you know, 0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:01.480 this was this was the year that I did the 0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:04.400 I did fuck you, Uh. I did it with Gwyneth 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:05.880 foul Trail and had on the chicken suit. 0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:07.160 You remember, like. 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:13.360 I was. I was my homage to the el Joint. Okay. 0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:15.960 So I was sitting on the audience watching the rest 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.560 of the show, and he had somebody come around tapping 0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:20.919 different people who he felt like, you know, he wanted 0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:23.759 to invite to the house. So we ended up we 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:27.319 got we got the address. Yeah, so we got the 0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:30.600 address and we ended up going over there. Like I 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:38.160 remember Maxwell was there, Dave Chappelle was there, and you know, 0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:40.880 so you can hear the music downstairs, and we were 0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:43.160 just kind of talking, you know. I didn't rush right downstairs, 0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:44.920 and I'm looking around and see Prince. He's like, well, 0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:48.440 he's down there playing music. So we get go downstairs. 0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:51.160 And as soon as I come in the door, it's 0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:54.640 like a path that's made for me and Princess directly 0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:57.360 in front of me. But he's playing bass. He's like, 0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.560 come here. He's justice to me to come here. He says, 0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:03.520 pick us. So anytime he's ever been depicted a certain 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:08.160 kind of way, like Dave Chappelle doing him on on show, 0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:10.279 that's exactly how he is, you know what I mean. 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:13.880 Like she said pick a song, I'm like, okay. So 0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:16.720 it's this big book, this big book of song lyrics 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.600 printed out, and you know, I picked something easier that 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:22.880 I knew, and it was Superstition. So I sang Stevie 0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:26.960 Wonders Superstition, you know. And so in the process of 0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:29.080 me you know, that song was four minutes long, you 0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:30.520 know what I mean, like, you know, give or take. 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:35.480 And in that process, he got off the base, got 0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:38.600 on the drums when it mixed my vocal, and did 0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:40.239 some other shit. What I'm saying, you feel me? So 0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:47.120 I was like, damn, you know what I'm saying. And 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:49.960 so so I had some friends with me and he 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:52.520 was gracious enough to have us there. So as the 0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:55.200 night went on, we're partying, you know, and you know, 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:59.080 people kind of started thinning out. So we ended up 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:01.480 staying all night, you know what I mean. Like, so 0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:04.040 I sat and talked with him and blah blah blah 0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:05.920 and you. 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:11.000 Know, convert you to to hand down jo Joel Witness. Yeah, 0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:16.360 you fell on the track. Whenever he starts that, I'm like, 0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:16.919 I'm out. 0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:22.800 That's what. We sat there and talking about Jehovah's Witness. 0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:27.480 I said, okay, you know, so so that was that. 0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:29.600 And then look, so this is run of the time question. 0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:31.600 I'm sure you'll know. He had that little two door 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:35.600 black Cadillac, look like the black the Batmobile, remember that one. 0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:39.799 It's it's it's six or seven o'clock in the morning. 0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:44.279 It's that it's that real hazy looking like Hotel California. 0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:46.320 You know what I'm saying, Like coming out, you know, 0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:50.000 we drunk and been high and all that kind of stuff. 0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:52.680 You know what I'm saying. So not not him but us. 0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:56.000 Yes, I know, trust me, everyone knows. 0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:00.040 So with that, we're coming out of the door. And 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:04.239 then my homeboy says, yo, did y'all see Prince? I said, no, 0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:08.560 where is he? He was jumping into the car. So 0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:11.560 the garage door was up. You could see the car, 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:14.560 the Cadillac he gets, he said, he said, he just 0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:20.359 got their Cadade right there. Okay, so imagine if we're 0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:25.200 parking immediately across the street, so the driveway is here, 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:28.359 you know, the car is right there, the mailboxes right here. 0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:36.160 He takes off out of the garage. He almost runs 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:44.279 us over. Man, Look, I wish it could be it's 0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:47.000 kind of crazy that I'm saying it, but like it 0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:49.160 was funny for us then because it was just amazing, 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:51.480 like what is he doing? Where's he going? In this 0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:53.080 his house? Where's he going? 0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:56.319 It's all right? 0:39:56.960 --> 0:40:00.800 So but he wasn't trying to hear the us. But 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:04.520 so he cuts out of the driver real quick. Woo. 0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:07.839 He makes a left, and we're parked like facing up 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:11.439 the hill because we only know of one interest into 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:14.920 that subdivision, right we I don't know what he was going, 0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:16.560 if he was gonna make if he was making. 0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:18.839 A left, you know what I'm saying, like, right, where 0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:19.400 could you go? 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:21.400 Where are you going? Man? 0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:26.120 The right? Why is he going to the left? 0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:31.200 I just think the reason why. It's just cool because 0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:33.200 I just think that it was just to give us 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:36.320 kind of something to be talking about right now, you know, 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.480 twelve years later. I mean like he just he just 0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:42.680 gave us a little question mark, a little mystery. It 0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:43.200 was great. 0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:47.320 He always does that, does weird ship just to I 0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:48.680 know it'll be a story later. 0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:52.440 He did a shit to us once where I think 0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:55.200 the last time I saw him he changed his outfit twice? 0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:57.360 Did he for no reason? 0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:01.480 It was literally just he had one outfit on, came 0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:03.920 back in, had another outfit on, and then like ten 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:08.120 minutes later, came back with another outfit on as if 0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:12.080 as if it were nothing, and yeah, that was the 0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:15.239 strangest ship to me. So he's going to get you 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:21.000 your your newest album. Okay, now you this this is 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:27.040 produced by From the first of all, I hear a 0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:32.799 lot about Memphis, Tennessee. Brian Danger Mouse himself has try 0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:35.560 to sell me on how amazing it is in Tennessee 0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:40.000 and how there's a music community down there and how 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:45.680 there's all this, you know, the songwriting community and musicianship 0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:47.600 and studios and vintage studios. 0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:53.280 So yeah, why why the the move to record in Tennessee. 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:58.040 Well it's Nashville actually, and uh he we befriended each 0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:02.279 other because they they came and supported us and checked 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:06.319 out the show. One year we were doing south By 0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:10.560 Southwest in Austin, Texas, and that's how we befriended the 0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:14.840 Black Kids. And then and then shortly thereafter, uh, Danger 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:24.480 ended up producing their album Brothers Alone. Uh you know, 0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:27.360 so that he produced that album with them or for 0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:30.480 them or something like that. So anyway, I ended up 0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:33.200 bumping into him some years later in London. We both 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:40.440 were performing on Jules Holland if you're familiar, Yeah, so 0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:43.080 we were doing that and we exchanged numbers because his 0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:46.200 set was so cool. He had this all female mariachi 0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:51.759 band and I was like, great, yes, I befriended them too, 0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:54.520 you know what I mean. So so with that, then 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:57.479 he reached out to me maybe like you know, six 0:42:57.640 --> 0:43:00.320 months or four months something later, and just asked me 0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:03.120 to come to Nashville, you know, to write, he said, 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:06.240 He said, I really I appreciate you as a songwriter, 0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:08.959 you know what I mean, and maybe we can get together, 0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:11.880 get in the room, collaborate on some stuff. And you 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:15.040 know that's basically you know, the gist of it. And 0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.520 then I said, okay, cool, this is this is damn 0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:20.040 from the black kids. I mean, like I dig them. 0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.600 You know. You know, the time was right, I was available. 0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:25.920 You know, it's a thirty minute flight from Atlanta. I 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:28.800 was like cool. I mean, like, so I went and 0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:31.279 it was strange because I wasn't really sure, like you know, 0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:33.719 but you know, everybody was there at it. 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:33.960 You know. 0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:37.200 Check in was like eleven o'clock in the morning, of 0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.839 which I've never recorded anything that early in the day, 0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:42.480 you know what I mean. Like, you know, so I'm like, okay, 0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:45.320 eleven o'clock. But we will only go from like eleven 0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:47.319 to four, you know what I'm saying, eleven to four 0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.520 or five. And I didn't understand, you know what I mean, 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:53.320 And I kind of was getting a little little irritated 0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:54.719 with it for the first few days. I'm like, I 0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:56.400 don't really know what's going on. We just kind of, 0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:58.920 you know, so we would sit around the table and 0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.839 you know, of writing songs and recording voice memos into 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:05.960 the phone and you know, with either with a ukulele 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:13.040 or an acoustic guitar or warletton, you know. So you know, 0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:14.960 it was really quaint, you know, I mean, like you 0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:19.320 know and simple, you know, country living. What was the approach, 0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:22.799 you know, and so so over the over six months, 0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:26.840 I would make maybe like a week about four weeks total, 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:29.320 so maybe like a month out of the six months. 0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:31.920 I went and sat and went down there for a 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.520 week and I asked him, I said, yo, I said 0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:36.520 what I said? What I said, what's what eleven o'clock 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:38.600 in the day, And like, I said that like the 0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:41.800 magic hour or like what's that? Then he was like no, 0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:44.200 he said, well, all of these musicians, man, you know, 0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:46.680 they're in there the seventies. You know what I mean, 0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:49.120 he said, so like you know, he said, man, he said, 0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:51.600 they're quite frankly man, like you know, they like to 0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:53.640 be done early. And uh, you know, I kind of 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:55.239 got to, you know, need to try to get as 0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:56.680 much as I can get out of them. Man, you know, 0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:59.840 we don't have them forever, I'm saying. I was like, God, damn, 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:01.960 I didn't realize that because I didn't really realize who 0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:05.000 they were, because he didn't really give me any disclaimer 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:11.880 that in his mind he was recording the greatest soul 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:15.000 album of all time on se Lo Green. You know, 0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:17.959 so he only told me that he wanted to write songs. 0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:19.400 So I'm thinking, I'm like, yeah, we're gonna get some 0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:22.000 of this country music money and blah blah blah. You know, 0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:23.840 I'm thinking of it like I'm thinking of it like that, 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:27.000 you know. And and again I was again at another 0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:30.520 point in my career where like, I don't want to 0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:33.000 be I'm tired of being Selo Green. I just kind 0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:34.480 of want to be me. I mean, like you know, 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:38.920 like you know, I'm older, I'm an older statesman, you know, 0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:41.719 you know, I want to be refined in a way 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:43.680 of where now you know, I could just go by 0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:46.160 my name. So I had contemplated doing the Prince and 0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:49.040 not being referred to as Selo Green anymore. I'm like, 0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:51.160 I'll just be I just be Calaway and said, look 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:52.680 the way that my granddaddy was called, like you know, 0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:56.440 I mean Thomas Caliway, I said, because you know, it's 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:58.640 about legacy. Now, anything I do from this point on 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:02.399 is about legacy. And you know the legacy isn't last name, 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:04.880 you know what I mean. So I've been telling press 0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:08.400 that Thomas Calloway writes the songs that CeeLo Green sings. 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:11.319 So I only went as Thomas Callaway to be a writer. 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:14.920 And then so that last week he said, hey, man, 0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:17.760 I was thinking, you know, we've got some good ideas. 0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:21.680 You know, you think maybe you could come back and maybe, 0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:23.600 like you know, cut cut a few of them, just 0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:25.759 kind of see how your voice sounds on him. And 0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:28.000 I was like, you know, that's not really what we discussed, 0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:29.640 but I'm like, cool, you know, I'll sing them. And 0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:31.000 I'm saying, you know, why not. You know, I mean, 0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:36.600 I went down and unbeannoys to me. He's got a 0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:41.200 studio full of all of these great legendary Nashville muscle shows, 0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.440 you know, musicians who played on all of this wonderful music, 0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:46.680 you know what I mean. And I really didn't know 0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:49.400 because he didn't give me any disclaimer you know, about 0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:51.600 who they were, nor did he give me a disclaimer 0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:53.960 about that he was secretly recording an album on me. 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:59.680 David Rode, Bobby Wood, you know, I know Bobby Wood 0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:05.520 played on Chris Yeah exactly stuff and uh yeah, Russ 0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:08.480 yeah as well. 0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:11.279 Yep, yep, yep. So so with that, you know, that 0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:17.120 was my first time recording with charts. So I was 0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:19.239 I was familiar with all of the songs that we 0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:21.960 had written over the last three weeks, you know, but 0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:24.440 I had never sung them besides those kind of voice 0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:27.440 references you know, in his phone. But you know, he 0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:30.560 had went and printed out sheet music, I mean, charts 0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:32.800 and everything. I mean, like, so by the time I 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:35.279 got there, you know, I'm looking at the songs, I'm like, okay, 0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:37.640 look I remember this one. And then so I got 0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:40.479 one eye on the on the paper, the lyrics sheet, 0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:42.839 and then I got one eye on watching them play 0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:46.200 it all down flawlessly, you know what I mean. So 0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:50.360 it gave me my disposition was really humbled. You know, 0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:53.279 as opposed to going in there with any airs or 0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:56.200 any ego. I mean, so, like, you know, this album 0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:59.080 is completely unpretentious. That's why I like it so much, 0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:01.279 you know what I mean. So it's basically like Dan, 0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:02.440 our best gift to me. 0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:05.080 So you made it down without knowing you were making 0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:05.520 a record. 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:09.720 Absolutely, and I recorded that album in two days because 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:11.239 I just sung the songs we had. It was just 0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:14.040 like do I wish I could do everything like that? 0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:15.960 Man? 0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:18.440 I wanted to ask you always about Straight Bullets. That's 0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:20.600 one of my favorite projects of yours. 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:22.480 Man, come on, bro, you knowing about that? 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:27.600 Come on man? You singing over the Stero ship the like, dude, 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.600 man talk about that? What was record? 0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:34.319 I was just talking to my management. I said, like, yo, 0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:37.400 I need to re release Straight Bullets. 0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:41.320 Yes, like people didn't hear it, okay, So what it 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:43.520 was where I found out that Zelo I mean that 0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:45.839 see that, uh, that Kujo could play the sacks because 0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:46.520 you had him. 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:48.560 Anymore? 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:50.759 Well, I got I got to ruin it for you 0:48:50.840 --> 0:49:00.279 because I was just teasing. I said that because at 0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:03.920 that time, you know, we were kind of all estranged 0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:08.000 from each other, and Kujo was just dealing with the accident, 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:11.800 you know what I mean. Yeah, So I just was 0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:15.399 I was loving on him in that way who's wild 0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:21.480 sack sy'all, you know what I'm saying. So I went 0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:25.239 to London to do Lady Killer, that record, you know, 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:29.600 and it was all of this northern blue eyed soul, 0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:32.520 you know what I mean, the kind of like sold 0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:35.759 by numbers. I didn't particularly enjoy it, nor did I 0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:37.799 really you know, did I think it was good? 0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:40.719 I mean, like you know, but the biggest hits came 0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:41.000 from it. 0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:43.399 No, absolutely, No, I was wrong. 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:47.000 I was totally wrong, by the way, like like, what 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:49.920 was the impetus of that? You just said? I got 0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:52.240 a great song type of fuck you, and the label 0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:53.920 was like, yes, we see it, this is a hit. 0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:55.600 Okay, now I'm gonna tell you. I wanna tell you 0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:57.200 about that too, so check this out, all right. So 0:49:57.239 --> 0:49:59.560 I tell the first story. You know, I was trying 0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:03.600 were recorded for like three years trying to get that record, 0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:06.000 you know what I'm saying. And I had done all 0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:08.440 of that stuff. So when I was like straight bullets, 0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:12.560 I got that idea from a a Devo album called 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:16.799 Greatest Missus instead of Greatest Hits. You know what I'm saying. 0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:20.359 And Straight Bullets was just like, Yo, I'm just gonna 0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:23.760 bust these off, you know, like and they hit somebody. 0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:25.520 You know what I'm saying. You feel me? But I 0:50:25.600 --> 0:50:27.840 had I had done a lot of music and I 0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:31.000 really wasn't getting that. I wasn't having it reciprocated. I mean, 0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:32.960 like by the label the way that I wanted. And 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:34.960 I'm just like, damn, y'all ain't fucking with none of this. 0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:38.160 And so I put that mixtape out to spike them 0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:41.040 of all of that material because it was the last 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:45.160 album it was supposedly you know at that time with Atlantic, 0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:47.000 you know what I mean, But they ended up kicking 0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:48.960 up the option. I ended up doing one more album 0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:53.759 with them, heart Blunch. So I just said like, well, yo, 0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:55.560 I mean like I just do a mixtape and I 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:57.120 just leaked it. You know what I'm saying. You feel me? 0:50:58.000 --> 0:50:59.840 And that's why I didn't really get any kind of 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:03.080 That's why I'm surprised you even mentioning it. But Tyler, 0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:05.000 the creator loves it too, you know what I mean, Like, 0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:08.160 that's one of the dopest projects I ever did. So 0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:12.360 I found all of this public domain library music, you 0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:13.759 know what I mean, like to why it wasn't really 0:51:13.840 --> 0:51:16.880 you can really have any copyright in friends with like 0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:19.720 causes and something like that. So I just did songs 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:22.040 to that stuff, and just you know, they're just amusing myself, 0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:25.600 no different than I put out a project called TV 0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:26.279 on the radio to. 0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:29.839 The ship you sung over the Peanuts thing. 0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:38.560 I love that your quest I'll send it to you man, 0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:40.520 Like you know, some of it is out there like 0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:44.879 on YouTube, but they snatched it down because of course 0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:46.400 you know, I didn't clear it or nothing like that. 0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:48.680 And I'm saying, like it was just ingenious, you know 0:51:48.719 --> 0:51:50.400 what I mean. Like I just and sometimes I have 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:53.880 to almost like that's my little sparring match with myself 0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:55.920 to kind of get something out before I try to, 0:51:56.520 --> 0:51:59.000 you know, be so subservient to what they you know, 0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:00.680 all of the many cooks in the kitchen with the 0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:03.160 major label ship, Like I didn't enjoy it. So I'm 0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:06.040 much happier, you know, being an independent artist again. Last 0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:08.360 time I was independent, you know, Narls and don't you 0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:10.080 and all that kind of stuff came from being able 0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:12.239 to have enough space, you know what I mean, like 0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:13.160 to do what I want to do. 0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:19.560 What happened with the record. 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:21.520 So you had a project, You had a bunch of 0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:23.840 other side projects that I won't ask you about. You 0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:28.400 had the heart Attack, a heart attack heart Attack with 0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:31.120 Jack Splash, but then the Jazzy Faye record. 0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:35.400 The I had it. It was the Happy Hour, had 0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:39.080 the joint to enjoy yourself with you, Jazzy and Nate Dog. 0:52:39.200 --> 0:52:47.759 Yeah, look that project is. I love that album so much. 0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:48.799 I told him them today. 0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:51.160 I called and I said, you like yo, since everybody 0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:53.920 is going on zoom and ship, I said, like, let's. 0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:55.799 Do Let's go on and call it out the Happy 0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:58.440 Hour and just play the unreleased album. You know what 0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:01.279 I mean we're supposed to do. He might he may 0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:02.560 still be up for it, but we didn't do it. 0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.360 But anyway, I'll tell you what happened with that. I 0:53:05.520 --> 0:53:07.440 was recording that at the same time as I was 0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:08.680 recording Narles Barkley. 0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:09.920 Oh okay. 0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:14.239 So he had to deal with Capitol Records. That was 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:16.560 supposed to be for a solo album with him or 0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:19.839 accompliation album Jazzy Fair and Friends. And then we met 0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:21.640 up in Miami and we did a couple of songs. 0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:23.719 He was like, oh, shit, like, no, this is the 0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:26.439 this is the move. So he switched it out and said, 0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:28.239 like now I'm gonna do a Selo you know, Me 0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:30.239 and Celo album or this, that and the third. So 0:53:30.960 --> 0:53:34.399 the album is so dope, it still holds up even 0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:37.560 after all of these years. But what he did was, 0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:40.720 you know, we recorded it all just at our leisure, 0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:43.120 but we never signed it. We never signed a deal 0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:44.560 for it, you know what I mean, Like, you know, 0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:47.960 by the time we had a whole album done, we 0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:51.520 wanted a promo tour, We did sol trained, we shot 0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:54.839 a video, you know, but we never signed a deal. 0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:58.640 And but and so, so I'm going across the street. 0:53:58.680 --> 0:54:01.880 I'm leaving those sessions like going to see see Danger 0:54:01.960 --> 0:54:04.160 Mouse for a couple of hours, you know. And I 0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:06.759 always get a little get a little irritated with it because, 0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:08.239 like you know, after a while, you want to go 0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:11.680 into it optimistically and diplomatically, but like you know, sometimes 0:54:11.719 --> 0:54:14.279 I'm just like like yo, like I don't know what 0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:16.120 I'm saying. You feel me like, you know, I don't 0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:18.080 want to you know whatever I mean. 0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:19.600 Like, So that was that. 0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:23.040 But when when Narlsbrocky hit because it remember it just 0:54:23.160 --> 0:54:26.400 hit all of a sudden, it was like boom, and 0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:28.959 then they had they had to shelf the project because 0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:30.360 it was no deal, you know what I mean, Like 0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:33.759 and quite frankly, it just couldn't compare. I mean like 0:54:33.920 --> 0:54:36.880 that now to ask a question about fuck you? All right, 0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:41.080 So what happened was when I was in La, I 0:54:41.200 --> 0:54:47.279 recorded Lady Killer in Miami, La and London. They gave 0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:50.320 me a blank check to do whatever I wanted to 0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:53.640 do after crazy. So I was everywhere trying to get 0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:55.520 that record and we ended up getting it, you know 0:54:55.560 --> 0:55:01.480 what saying. Like, So Mike Karen introduced me to who's 0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:06.839 now known famously as Bruno Mars. At the time, they 0:55:06.880 --> 0:55:10.440 were introduce to me as Phil and Bruno. That was 0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:13.719 how they were kind of circulating. Phil Lawrence was his 0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:16.160 writing partner at that time, you know what I mean. 0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:18.920 So I was working at night Bird Studios at the 0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:23.759 Sunset Marquis in LA. They came over and I'm like, 0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:25.160 what's up, you know what I mean? Like, you know, 0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:26.560 I didn't really know them, I didn't know what they did, 0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:28.480 and I just was kind of let them hear some 0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:30.359 of the stuff that I was working on. My brother. 0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:32.680 They're like you know, maybe you could try this. So 0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:34.600 this sir, blah blah blah, I'm like, man, who the 0:55:34.680 --> 0:55:37.920 fuck is yall that sound like? You? 0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:38.200 See? 0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:43.920 So I told him, I said, you know what, bro, 0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:46.439 I'd be right back. I'm gonna good, I'm i gotta 0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:48.840 use restroom. So I went upstairs to the room and 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:50.759 I just never came back. And I just left him 0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:52.719 in the studio. And I've said, I've said this a 0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:54.360 couple of times because I was being really rude. I 0:55:54.400 --> 0:55:56.279 didn't really know. I didn't know them, I didn't know 0:55:56.320 --> 0:56:01.759 them to respect them. But but then we rectified that 0:56:01.960 --> 0:56:04.480 we got back together. Brue had a lot of love 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:06.880 for me, and you know, kind of looked at me 0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:10.080 as a mentor. And if you guys pay attention, you 0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:12.239 will realize that, you know, he was kind of built 0:56:12.320 --> 0:56:14.279 off of my back. You know what I'm saying. You know, 0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:19.480 because you know he wrote just the way that you 0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:27.040 are for me? Well, yeah, because I didn't. I didn't, 0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:29.000 you know, I didn't. I didn't think it was for me, 0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:31.760 but but I didn't see it for me, no different 0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:36.200 than you know, he started to fuck you. And then 0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:38.719 we we ultimately, you know, me and Phil came in 0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:41.440 because he had to the the're the session, and we 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:43.720 went over and saying like, yo, I got this idea. 0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:46.040 He said, Man, you know it's a little little crazy, 0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:48.640 but just bear with me. And it was like, you know, 0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:50.600 it was just a hook. I see you driving around 0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:52.200 time with the good I love and I'm like fuck you, 0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:55.239 and I'm like okay, But see, at that time, this 0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:58.560 is bring straight bullets back into the conversation. At this time, 0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:00.880 I was trying to piss this three years later and 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:03.520 I'm like, yo, I can't get no satisfaction. I'm so 0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:07.480 ready to say fuck you to the label, to everybody. 0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:11.719 So to me, fuck you was essentially a protest song 0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:14.000 to the label. You know what I mean? 0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:14.840 I thought it was. 0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:17.400 I thought it was ridiculous enough for them to drop me. 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:26.320 That's why I was so enthusiastic. It was. Can I 0:57:26.400 --> 0:57:29.080 tell y'all how quick it worked, bro, I'm gonna tell you. 0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:31.840 We had to go to London to do some fucking 0:57:32.040 --> 0:57:36.200 promo or something. They and I think you may have 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:41.280 been the first song to introduce lyric sheets with printing 0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:44.280 out the lyrics at the with the music. I had 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:49.720 never seen it. Yeah, so so with that I think. 0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:51.520 I want to say it was the first one, Brom. 0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:53.880 You know, I'm not tripping, but but. 0:57:56.200 --> 0:57:59.560 It came, it came fast, and it came so fast, Bro, 0:57:59.720 --> 0:58:02.680 it came like okay, so we had to get on 0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:04.920 a plane and go to London. 0:58:05.480 --> 0:58:08.919 By the time we landed in London, it was a hit. 0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:10.360 Wow. 0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:13.880 So that's eight hours. So like basically like in eight hours, 0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:15.280 that ship was a hit. 0:58:16.880 --> 0:58:19.480 When you talk about songs that you you know that 0:58:19.600 --> 0:58:22.160 you didn't think were for you, is there a version 0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:24.200 of you singing happy but for real? 0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:27.280 It is? Okay? So we were you know. 0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:31.640 Yeah, my homie Amir a mere Wyndham, he was working 0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:32.680 with for other time. 0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:34.520 But I heard that I wasn't heard that it was 0:58:34.560 --> 0:58:37.080 originally Pharrell wrote it for you, and so I always 0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:39.080 wondered if if there was a version of you singing 0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:40.160 it of a reference or whatever. 0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:43.320 I tell you the story man Pharrell been friends and collaboratives, 0:58:43.760 --> 0:58:45.120 collaborators for a long time. 0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:46.920 Yeah, he was on the second album, he was on 0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:53.880 the on the Machine so with that, he he. 0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:57.760 Was doing Despicable Me Too. And I was in the 0:58:57.880 --> 0:59:04.280 Bahamas in Eluthra recording heart Blunch. That's I think Lenny 0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:06.280 Kravitz owns that island because he was there. He came 0:59:06.360 --> 0:59:06.800 by the house. 0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:08.480 Yeah, I know, I know he lives there. 0:59:08.480 --> 0:59:10.520 I don't know if he owns it, but so we 0:59:10.720 --> 0:59:13.200 was there and he came down on his own dime, 0:59:14.320 --> 0:59:17.640 you know, to to kick it and be a part 0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:22.120 of it. And he played it for me, and you 0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:24.240 know me, it was just he played for me with 0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:25.840 the disclaimer that it was about to be a part 0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:29.360 of a Disney Pixar movie, you know what I mean, Like, 0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:31.240 you know, I wasn't really I didn't see it like 0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:34.200 for what it became. But there is a version of 0:59:34.240 --> 0:59:36.520 where I sang it, you know, and the and the 0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:39.000 version that you hear is the demo that he made 0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:43.120 basically his emulation of my voice. 0:59:46.960 --> 0:59:47.120 You know. 0:59:47.240 --> 0:59:48.880 So I don't know if I sound like that, but 0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:53.640 maybe I do, maybe, you know whatever. So yeah, we 0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:57.560 got that version. Yeah, but I said, you know, in 0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:00.440 the press, I was just like, I know that for 1:00:00.600 --> 1:00:03.360 real has had a you know, some solo success as 1:00:03.360 --> 1:00:06.080 an artist, but you know, mainly as a producer. But 1:00:06.600 --> 1:00:09.560 for what that record ultimately end up becoming, I'm like, 1:00:10.080 --> 1:00:12.120 you know, and he was about to be generous enough 1:00:12.160 --> 1:00:14.600 to give that record away, I said, So I believe 1:00:14.600 --> 1:00:17.400 that that's the universe rewarding his selflessness, you know what 1:00:17.440 --> 1:00:21.160 I'm saying, you know, because he was you know, he 1:00:21.360 --> 1:00:26.320 was definitely pushing forward for to be my record and 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.320 the late. But the politics behind it, I tell you, 1:00:29.960 --> 1:00:33.240 Atlanta Records they wouldn't clear it for whatever reason. I 1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:35.240 think because we were about to go with another single, 1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:39.680 and you know, I think Despicable Me wanted single rights 1:00:40.360 --> 1:00:42.120 for it at the time, and they didn't want it 1:00:42.200 --> 1:00:47.360 to conflict. So you know that it was logical their decision, 1:00:47.760 --> 1:00:50.040 but of course you can't you can't win them all, 1:00:50.200 --> 1:00:53.760 you know what I mean. Like, and that's really what happened, 1:00:53.920 --> 1:00:55.040 you know what I mean. And so I guess he 1:00:55.120 --> 1:00:57.040 decided to just put it out and then it kind 1:00:57.080 --> 1:00:59.440 of you know, it worked as a record on the soundtrack, 1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:00.760 But then I guess when he shot I think he 1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:03.640 said when he shot the visual, that's when the record 1:01:03.880 --> 1:01:04.120 it came. 1:01:04.560 --> 1:01:07.440 That's when because he had had and then he had 1:01:07.480 --> 1:01:09.840 people all over like the world kind of doing it like. 1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:15.560 Twenty four hour video that's for our joint. Yeah yeah, man, 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:19.880 yo yo, it was a record. I wanted to ask 1:01:19.920 --> 1:01:23.480 you that is the ship record that. 1:01:23.440 --> 1:01:26.000 Had been mine. Oh by the way, you think so, 1:01:26.280 --> 1:01:26.800 it would. 1:01:26.600 --> 1:01:27.479 Have been over killed. 1:01:28.040 --> 1:01:29.240 It would have been oh thank you. 1:01:29.920 --> 1:01:32.200 I wanted to hear that much happiness from se Loan. 1:01:32.640 --> 1:01:33.720 They would have hated me. 1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:34.920 I knew it. 1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:38.680 I knew. I'm so glad. I'm so glad. I just 1:01:38.800 --> 1:01:42.200 remember to say that I said, I said, I'm glad 1:01:42.240 --> 1:01:44.360 it's not mine. I said, that's his record, that's his record. 1:01:45.280 --> 1:01:47.520 The things that Pharrell had to do around that record, 1:01:47.760 --> 1:01:49.520 like the promo, the stage that he had, I was. 1:01:49.520 --> 1:01:52.000 Like, he was a lot, a lot. 1:01:52.520 --> 1:01:54.640 I'm sure he probably doesn't enjoy doing that record to 1:01:54.760 --> 1:01:55.880 this day. I'm sure he. 1:01:58.680 --> 1:01:59.000 Record. 1:02:00.080 --> 1:02:03.320 Yo, man, tell us about the record you did with 1:02:03.840 --> 1:02:06.680 it just came out. I think like last year intentions 1:02:06.760 --> 1:02:10.160 you big boy and uh sleepy. 1:02:11.560 --> 1:02:14.600 Man. Dude, all right, I need more of that. I 1:02:14.680 --> 1:02:15.520 love that fucking song. 1:02:16.080 --> 1:02:19.120 Okay, so check this out. We were all in the room, 1:02:20.360 --> 1:02:23.880 the entire Dungeon Family, dre three thousand included. You know, 1:02:23.960 --> 1:02:26.520 he was about to come on board to do another 1:02:26.640 --> 1:02:30.960 Dungeon Family album and we were going to do it. 1:02:32.880 --> 1:02:36.600 But exactly we were even like fingers crossed, Like really, 1:02:36.720 --> 1:02:40.480 Trey so after that, La read and everybody we want 1:02:40.520 --> 1:02:43.880 to do LA read and hit call. So I'm telling, 1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:47.720 I'm telling. I'm telling this story for the first time. 1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:53.840 So we were all that everybody's there, you know, and 1:02:54.000 --> 1:02:57.400 so just to you know, on good faith, you know, 1:02:57.640 --> 1:03:03.240 after La left the meeting, you know, Ray organized started 1:03:03.240 --> 1:03:05.240 pulling up some tracks like we all at the studio, 1:03:05.280 --> 1:03:08.320 we all up at stink only you like playing some tracks. 1:03:08.600 --> 1:03:10.919 And I said, oh, what's that like the Stueper Brown 1:03:10.960 --> 1:03:12.760 said me yo? He said, actually, I got a I 1:03:12.800 --> 1:03:14.600 already got come like a little idea today that he 1:03:14.680 --> 1:03:15.720 got in my ear, like yo. 1:03:19.120 --> 1:03:20.920 Right, So I said, okay, I said, I like that. 1:03:21.040 --> 1:03:23.280 I said, like I said, let me let me, let 1:03:23.320 --> 1:03:25.040 me let me dance with you on it. 1:03:25.120 --> 1:03:25.600 Know what I'm saying. 1:03:26.160 --> 1:03:27.720 That said, I got I got something someone going to 1:03:28.080 --> 1:03:30.439 just just rock real quick. So just off the top 1:03:30.440 --> 1:03:33.280 of the head because it felt like loose ends. 1:03:33.120 --> 1:03:39.960 To me, you know what I mean, cold blooded by 1:03:40.040 --> 1:03:41.360 Rick James like that, right. 1:03:43.960 --> 1:03:46.440 So that's how I ended up having those two parts 1:03:46.480 --> 1:03:48.760 on there. I had the uh, the top part and 1:03:48.840 --> 1:03:56.840 then the end verse. Yeah, we but we thought that 1:03:57.040 --> 1:03:59.479 it would probably just kind of it was a little 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:02.880 instant to for the Dungeon Family project. I'm saying, like, 1:04:02.920 --> 1:04:06.360 you know, but Sleepy Brown and Big Boy were working 1:04:06.400 --> 1:04:09.959 on the project simultaneously called The Big Sleepover at the time, 1:04:10.720 --> 1:04:13.320 and that's where that's where the original idea came from. 1:04:13.880 --> 1:04:16.720 So all of a sudden in days times, you're like, yo, 1:04:16.760 --> 1:04:18.400 were gonna shoot the vehicle to make this to say, 1:04:18.520 --> 1:04:20.880 I'm like really, I'm like, then we've just sucking around. 1:04:20.920 --> 1:04:22.600 But I'm like, but okay, I'm glad y'all like it. 1:04:22.800 --> 1:04:25.200 And that's kind of where it came from. And then 1:04:26.160 --> 1:04:27.720 we were we were we were slated to do the 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:30.720 Dungeon Family album. But then again, you know, I think 1:04:30.840 --> 1:04:34.480 Drake ended up having to go off and film It's 1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:35.800 a show that he's that he's. 1:04:35.680 --> 1:04:37.720 Doing dispatches from everywhere. 1:04:40.800 --> 1:04:43.440 Yeah. Yeah, they kind of that took the It kind 1:04:43.480 --> 1:04:45.560 of took the win out of the sales. I gotta 1:04:45.560 --> 1:04:45.800 say that. 1:04:45.880 --> 1:04:47.760 But he was already slated to do it, you know 1:04:47.800 --> 1:04:50.560 what I'm saying, the Sleepy Brown understand that people want 1:04:50.600 --> 1:04:52.080 more to be Brown in their life. Does he really 1:04:52.200 --> 1:04:56.040 understand that? Like because he put that one album out 1:04:56.040 --> 1:04:57.640 and maybe he didn't get the response he wanted, but 1:04:57.760 --> 1:04:59.520 like people fucking love Sleepy Brown. 1:05:00.200 --> 1:05:02.160 No, for sure, he's a leisend man. Like you know, 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:04.920 he's he's a part of so many iconic things. Pretending 1:05:04.960 --> 1:05:07.880 to Goodie I mean, excuse me, pretending to dungeon like you. 1:05:07.960 --> 1:05:09.920 I mean, like that's big grow what I mean, Like, 1:05:10.040 --> 1:05:11.960 you know, I loved it. But he's one of my 1:05:12.040 --> 1:05:12.640 close friends. 1:05:12.920 --> 1:05:14.400 But he just needs to know tell him the people 1:05:14.400 --> 1:05:15.360 want it. I'm just saying I'm. 1:05:15.240 --> 1:05:16.480 Gonna tell you, I'm gonna let him know. 1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:23.280 Yeah, yeah, all right. 1:05:23.960 --> 1:05:28.000 I'm going to tread on very careful ground with this 1:05:28.160 --> 1:05:32.720 last question, okay, because this is sort of a comeback 1:05:32.840 --> 1:05:36.720 for you, and yes, not to mention, I guess the 1:05:36.880 --> 1:05:41.200 motif of your life is kind of series of second 1:05:41.280 --> 1:05:43.720 chances or another chance or another you know, like you 1:05:44.200 --> 1:05:49.840 escaping situations because we live in a time right now 1:05:50.840 --> 1:05:53.480 with what's going on in the world today, and you know, 1:05:53.680 --> 1:05:57.640 we live in the era of cancel culture. Yes, and 1:05:57.880 --> 1:06:01.680 it's almost it's almost like what it seems is though, 1:06:02.480 --> 1:06:05.080 Like I guess the idea of cancel culture is like, well, 1:06:05.160 --> 1:06:08.800 you can never come back or you can never redeem yourself, 1:06:08.840 --> 1:06:11.240 where you could never return to your your prominence to 1:06:11.320 --> 1:06:12.560 what it once was. 1:06:13.440 --> 1:06:16.320 How are you able to navigate the last ten years 1:06:16.360 --> 1:06:16.880 of your life? 1:06:17.680 --> 1:06:21.320 Just in terms of because usually when when a person 1:06:21.440 --> 1:06:23.560 has to go through that process, and it's a nightmare, 1:06:24.040 --> 1:06:27.360 Like even now, I wake up every morning at five 1:06:27.400 --> 1:06:30.120 am just to look at trending top is to make 1:06:30.160 --> 1:06:31.520 sure I'm not on that list, Like. 1:06:33.800 --> 1:06:35.800 No, because I'm thinking, like this, is there an interview 1:06:35.840 --> 1:06:37.600 I did? Is something that you know? And I know 1:06:37.840 --> 1:06:42.080 you know, but that's literally how you. 1:06:42.160 --> 1:06:47.000 Know I'm not exaggerating when I'll say at least five 1:06:47.160 --> 1:06:49.480 times a day, I gotta. 1:06:49.320 --> 1:06:52.960 Check this to make sure, Okay, no, I got you, 1:06:53.160 --> 1:06:55.200 I got you good, got you so and. 1:06:55.400 --> 1:06:58.480 And and it's and it's stressful and it's stressful, but 1:06:59.400 --> 1:07:00.760 it's it's very real. 1:07:01.800 --> 1:07:04.040 How are you how are you able. 1:07:04.320 --> 1:07:08.760 To navigate your life in the last ten years with 1:07:08.880 --> 1:07:12.840 your loved ones, with your family, with yourself. 1:07:13.960 --> 1:07:15.720 To get to this place? Like what have you learned 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:16.760 in the last ten years? 1:07:17.520 --> 1:07:26.280 I've learned the circumstance of celebrity and fame and fortune. 1:07:26.480 --> 1:07:30.680 All of these things are very fragile and precious. You know, 1:07:30.760 --> 1:07:35.440 it must be handled with care and consideration and cognizance 1:07:35.600 --> 1:07:40.720 that I mean, And so it is an intoxicating experience 1:07:40.880 --> 1:07:47.120 all throughout, especially to succeed in that space. And it's 1:07:47.160 --> 1:07:50.520 a surreal it's a surreal experience, and you know, it 1:07:50.600 --> 1:07:56.400 could be dizzying, and you can oversite things that are 1:07:57.000 --> 1:07:59.520 you know, or things that could very well possibly put 1:07:59.560 --> 1:08:04.200 you in commiser positions, you know, because you know, famous 1:08:04.200 --> 1:08:06.720 celebrity is a compromising position, you know what I mean. 1:08:07.640 --> 1:08:11.000 That's what that's what it qualifies as you know. What 1:08:11.680 --> 1:08:16.280 I've learned, you know, over the last several to ten 1:08:16.400 --> 1:08:19.800 years is to be still, you know what I mean, Like, 1:08:19.880 --> 1:08:25.600 you know, I reconnected, you know, with community. I reconnected 1:08:26.000 --> 1:08:32.600 with the these social conscious themes and and aspects of 1:08:33.240 --> 1:08:39.960 myself that were purifying and refining, you know, and I 1:08:40.160 --> 1:08:45.439 realized that success had taken me so far away from 1:08:45.520 --> 1:08:50.720 those things. You know, I spend an awful lot of time. 1:08:50.800 --> 1:08:52.760 But my son, you know what I mean, Like you know, 1:08:52.840 --> 1:08:55.439 I'm I'm really making up for a lot of lost 1:08:55.520 --> 1:09:03.519 time with him because you know, soils he's nineteen, wow man, Yeah, 1:09:03.720 --> 1:09:06.840 you know, so the spoil, the spoils of success, you 1:09:06.960 --> 1:09:08.960 can share in the wealth, you know what I mean, 1:09:09.080 --> 1:09:15.879 Like monetarily materially, you know, but it does not equate 1:09:16.200 --> 1:09:19.240 to tangible time, you know what I mean. And so 1:09:20.160 --> 1:09:23.240 I just got close to family, I got close to 1:09:23.479 --> 1:09:31.040 calls uh philanthropists, you know, philanthropy and charity, and associated 1:09:31.080 --> 1:09:33.960 myself with different causes that I was passionate about, and 1:09:34.120 --> 1:09:38.840 started to lose sight of myself uh or the or 1:09:38.960 --> 1:09:43.080 share the celebrity skin, you know what I'm saying, and 1:09:43.960 --> 1:09:47.439 give myself away to those things that I deemed to 1:09:47.520 --> 1:09:51.640 be greater than what I had even accomplished, because you know, 1:09:52.200 --> 1:09:56.040 it's not it's not an end all, be all to 1:09:56.200 --> 1:09:58.600 be alone, you know what I'm saying, Like to be 1:09:59.040 --> 1:10:02.080 you know, accomplished, or the loan and alienated, you know 1:10:02.120 --> 1:10:04.360 what I mean, Like I did not. I did not 1:10:05.439 --> 1:10:09.320 start out on this journey to look back and no 1:10:09.439 --> 1:10:11.240 one be there and no one to share it with, 1:10:11.439 --> 1:10:14.800 you know what I mean. If anything, if anything, I 1:10:14.880 --> 1:10:20.480 had experienced, you know, far too much alienation as an adolescent, 1:10:21.000 --> 1:10:24.400 and the music was a way to express and and 1:10:24.560 --> 1:10:28.680 make and make myself relative, to connect to people, to 1:10:28.920 --> 1:10:32.440 be to finally be counted as a part of a collective, 1:10:32.560 --> 1:10:34.600 you know what I mean, like or a community and 1:10:34.720 --> 1:10:38.600 belong you know, you know what I'm saying, because I 1:10:38.640 --> 1:10:41.120 wouldn't really make me feel like that as a kid. Yeah, 1:10:41.360 --> 1:10:44.080 you know what I'm saying. So I just I just 1:10:44.240 --> 1:10:49.080 reconnected with those things and was really and and and 1:10:49.320 --> 1:10:52.839 if you know, like even with we mentioned beautiful skin earlier, 1:10:53.000 --> 1:10:54.280 you know what I'm saying, like in a way that 1:10:54.360 --> 1:10:57.200 that was effective in Philly. It's like I was really 1:10:57.520 --> 1:11:01.040 expecting people to know me and know my history and 1:11:01.080 --> 1:11:03.719 where I'm coming from and know that like I don't 1:11:03.800 --> 1:11:07.479 got nothing but love in my heart and decency, you 1:11:07.560 --> 1:11:11.720 know what I'm saying, and humanity and humility. I'm one 1:11:11.760 --> 1:11:15.240 of the most well rounded and grounded people you'll ever meet. 1:11:15.320 --> 1:11:18.520 You know what I'm saying, Like loving and generous and selfless. 1:11:18.800 --> 1:11:21.439 You know what I mean. And I could only hope 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:24.040 that it translates in song. You know what I mean, 1:11:24.160 --> 1:11:27.519 Like you know, and then I'll go in the extra 1:11:27.680 --> 1:11:29.599 mile what I mean, like you know, for good measure 1:11:30.000 --> 1:11:32.840 to make sure you know that I'm under the skin. 1:11:33.040 --> 1:11:35.400 I mean, like you know of those that you know 1:11:35.840 --> 1:11:37.760 to whom it may concern, I mean, like all of 1:11:37.840 --> 1:11:40.639 my music has just been a love letter to those 1:11:40.760 --> 1:11:43.479 to whom it may concern, you know what I mean. 1:11:43.560 --> 1:11:47.160 So I'm glad for and I'm very fortunate for it 1:11:47.280 --> 1:11:50.000 to start off as a you know, pretty much a 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:52.200 black nationalist, you know what I mean, Like damn near 1:11:52.320 --> 1:11:55.120 borderline racist, you know what I'm saying, Like with goodie mob, 1:11:55.520 --> 1:11:58.800 you know what I mean, Yes, you know what I'm saying, 1:11:59.200 --> 1:12:06.280 you know, but to ultimately uh evolve into a you know, 1:12:06.520 --> 1:12:09.160 that universal appeal, you know what I mean, Like you know, 1:12:09.400 --> 1:12:14.440 like and I'm telling you it's not it's it's almost impossible, 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:18.600 you know, to to fake it, like to you know, 1:12:18.800 --> 1:12:21.800 to fake that. Then. So like with these audiences that 1:12:21.920 --> 1:12:24.200 I've encountered and that I've acquired, you know what I mean, 1:12:24.280 --> 1:12:25.080 like your. 1:12:25.000 --> 1:12:27.000 Good you feel like your goodie mob audience holds you 1:12:27.040 --> 1:12:29.720 accountable for things in a way because probably the Noll 1:12:29.960 --> 1:12:31.800 Barkley audiences a you got different audience. 1:12:32.920 --> 1:12:36.160 Yeah, Well, the thing, the thing of it was I 1:12:36.479 --> 1:12:39.280 just should have just dealt with I should have just 1:12:39.360 --> 1:12:42.200 worked in double shifts like that's that's kind of That's 1:12:42.280 --> 1:12:43.880 kind of what I was meaning earlier when I said 1:12:43.920 --> 1:12:45.880 I had to go out into the world and supply 1:12:46.000 --> 1:12:48.759 that large demand. You're talking about I could have moved 1:12:48.800 --> 1:12:52.040 to London. If you go to London, you know all 1:12:52.080 --> 1:12:55.160 they gonna all you're gonna hear is you know, from 1:12:55.240 --> 1:12:58.240 everything from Amy wine House to Edda James on just 1:12:58.439 --> 1:13:02.599 regular radio and not even categorized like all in one mix. 1:13:02.680 --> 1:13:06.360 It's just like open format radio. Chus knows I'm right, 1:13:06.479 --> 1:13:11.479 he knows I'm telling the truth. So so I love it. 1:13:11.720 --> 1:13:14.639 I loved it it in London. And when I got 1:13:14.720 --> 1:13:17.440 there and I got a chance to spend a considerable 1:13:17.479 --> 1:13:20.760 amount of time there, I understood why they loved me. 1:13:21.120 --> 1:13:23.280 And I said, God damn it, like this is where 1:13:23.320 --> 1:13:26.240 I belong. And I heard Lenny Kravitt say years ago 1:13:26.360 --> 1:13:28.880 in an interview, he said, Man, like I know that 1:13:28.960 --> 1:13:31.000 I've accomplished a great deal. He said, but if there's 1:13:31.040 --> 1:13:32.840 any one thing that I can say that I truly 1:13:32.960 --> 1:13:35.960 wanted that would make me happy is to make music 1:13:36.040 --> 1:13:38.520 that my own people. And I'm saying I can appreciate, 1:13:39.000 --> 1:13:41.360 you know what I'm saying. And that's what I felt like, 1:13:41.439 --> 1:13:43.400 I mean, like because when it was time to be black, 1:13:43.439 --> 1:13:46.120 you know what I mean? Like, you know, I felt 1:13:46.200 --> 1:13:49.559 like I would me goodie mob, you know, beautiful skin, 1:13:49.600 --> 1:13:52.000 I feel like we was making the blackest music you 1:13:52.040 --> 1:13:52.400 can make. 1:13:52.600 --> 1:13:53.800 I was about to say, but don't you feel like 1:13:53.840 --> 1:13:55.880 you had that privilege over Lenny in a way because 1:13:55.920 --> 1:13:58.840 you usher in your goodie mob audience to everything that 1:13:58.920 --> 1:14:01.360 you did. Everybody didn't come, but a lot of people did, 1:14:01.520 --> 1:14:04.120 which is the difference between you and Lenny in that way, right, 1:14:04.280 --> 1:14:06.120 because they have no audience evolved with you. 1:14:06.840 --> 1:14:10.560 It's true, it wasn't. It wasn't a definitive separation of 1:14:10.640 --> 1:14:13.240 church and state. It was a bridge between church and state. 1:14:13.120 --> 1:14:15.280 Absolutely, and I'm fortunate for that. 1:14:15.400 --> 1:14:18.120 I'm very fortunate for that. So it's no different than 1:14:18.280 --> 1:14:21.240 fuck You is the leadoff single. But I got two 1:14:21.360 --> 1:14:23.759 Grammys for Food for You with Melandy. 1:14:25.000 --> 1:14:25.559 You know what I'm saying. 1:14:28.640 --> 1:14:31.400 That's the big homie salam Remy, you know what I'm saying. 1:14:31.800 --> 1:14:34.240 So the way back album started it was it was 1:14:34.439 --> 1:14:37.960 it's supposed to be my big black R and B record, 1:14:38.120 --> 1:14:42.040 Fuck you bodies, Uh, you know, food for You and 1:14:42.160 --> 1:14:43.960 I get some of the stuff that you heard on 1:14:46.479 --> 1:14:48.040 you know, That's that's what it would have been like, 1:14:48.240 --> 1:14:50.800 you know what I mean. But again, I don't have 1:14:50.840 --> 1:14:55.080 any regrets in retrospect because like it all worked out 1:14:56.080 --> 1:14:58.760 so well, you know what I mean, And I and 1:14:59.120 --> 1:15:02.240 even questions to to to cap off the question, you know, 1:15:02.520 --> 1:15:05.320 like even with everything that I've been doing through you 1:15:05.400 --> 1:15:08.680 know what I mean, like, you know, good, bad, and indifferent, 1:15:09.280 --> 1:15:14.080 I have very few complaints something like because there's truly 1:15:14.240 --> 1:15:16.600 no testimony without the test. 1:15:16.960 --> 1:15:19.479 Not even marriage boot camp what about. 1:15:24.200 --> 1:15:27.080 Well, you know what, guess what though, Marriage boot Camp 1:15:27.280 --> 1:15:30.840 was almost kind of like a re entry point for me, 1:15:32.360 --> 1:15:34.720 and people got a chance to see me, you know, 1:15:34.880 --> 1:15:36.920 in a light that they had not them saying like 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:39.679 you know, like you know me domestically and with my woman. 1:15:39.880 --> 1:15:41.840 Like you know, I'm gonna say this straight up to y'all, 1:15:41.960 --> 1:15:44.040 like you know, there was a period of time when 1:15:44.080 --> 1:15:46.280 people maybe I was gay or something, you know what 1:15:46.280 --> 1:15:48.600 I'm saying, you know, like because of the outfits and 1:15:48.680 --> 1:15:50.080 the wigs and you know, stuff like that. 1:15:50.240 --> 1:15:53.760 The over masculinity of hip hopa yeah, over massiminization of 1:15:53.840 --> 1:15:54.519 hip hop, yes. 1:15:57.560 --> 1:15:57.640 But. 1:15:59.120 --> 1:16:01.719 A little bit a little bit no, I mean because 1:16:01.760 --> 1:16:04.320 it's well, I mean for starters, I never thought that 1:16:04.560 --> 1:16:05.840 Selo was gay, you know what I mean. 1:16:06.800 --> 1:16:09.320 But to me, when I saw the big outfits, it 1:16:09.479 --> 1:16:11.519 was just like you know, it was like you know, 1:16:11.600 --> 1:16:12.680 earth wind and fire. 1:16:15.640 --> 1:16:19.960 With different people. He might have had a moment like 1:16:20.000 --> 1:16:22.040 what the fuck that ain't you know, but see the 1:16:22.120 --> 1:16:22.400 thing of. 1:16:22.400 --> 1:16:25.040 It was, it was just like people. And that's the 1:16:25.280 --> 1:16:27.920 love and affinity people have for Goodie Mom and that 1:16:28.120 --> 1:16:31.800 era of my career. And it's like, you know, they 1:16:31.840 --> 1:16:35.520 ain't letting that ship go easily because we were affected. 1:16:35.680 --> 1:16:39.519 We touched people, and that's why, you know, that's why 1:16:39.600 --> 1:16:41.920 I always return to it, you know what I mean? 1:16:42.040 --> 1:16:46.080 Like I could never I could never sleep easy, arrest well, 1:16:46.560 --> 1:16:49.519 and letting any any any of my extended family down. 1:16:49.640 --> 1:16:51.760 I got to just do it all, you know what 1:16:51.800 --> 1:16:53.400 I'm saying. And that goes back to what I was 1:16:53.400 --> 1:16:55.800 saying basically, like I just the only thing I didn't 1:16:55.840 --> 1:16:58.640 do right is just work double ships. Make sure that 1:16:59.160 --> 1:17:02.599 both sides of the brain what tended to and both 1:17:02.880 --> 1:17:05.880 sides of the spectrum were satisfied. You know what I'm saying. 1:17:05.920 --> 1:17:09.880 You know, because I got so overwhelmed and preoccupied with 1:17:10.000 --> 1:17:13.120 such a big deal on one side of it that 1:17:13.479 --> 1:17:15.840 it just took the scale one way. And that's what 1:17:15.920 --> 1:17:16.439 happened with me. 1:17:16.800 --> 1:17:18.479 Well from a family sectim, I'm gonna tell you. We 1:17:18.600 --> 1:17:20.320 just happy to hear that you admit to that, like 1:17:20.439 --> 1:17:22.720 that's the absolute Oh, I was just was. 1:17:22.720 --> 1:17:24.400 That an alienating time for you? 1:17:24.640 --> 1:17:27.679 Like how like when you have an incident and then 1:17:28.120 --> 1:17:29.880 you know everyone is just you know, you kind of 1:17:29.920 --> 1:17:32.599 go through the cancel culture thing when you're by yourself, 1:17:33.080 --> 1:17:36.559 you know what's going through your mind like during all 1:17:36.640 --> 1:17:36.760 of that. 1:17:37.560 --> 1:17:41.240 To be totally honest, I mean, you know, I didn't 1:17:41.280 --> 1:17:44.640 really it was embarrassing what I'm saying. Like, you know, 1:17:44.680 --> 1:17:49.640 I mean like I wasn't completely overwhelmed because I was innocent. 1:17:50.000 --> 1:17:51.880 For one, and what I'm saying you feel me, gotcha. 1:17:53.080 --> 1:17:59.040 But I was always you know, I was humbled and 1:17:59.200 --> 1:18:04.960 appreciative for such a grounding experience, you know what I mean. Like, 1:18:05.520 --> 1:18:08.640 and I just felt I just felt renewed in my 1:18:08.840 --> 1:18:14.600 faith in feeling like, Okay, I have deliberately and intentionally 1:18:15.320 --> 1:18:20.280 done the good I have done, you know, I mean, uh, 1:18:21.360 --> 1:18:25.719 to guarantee in some regard, you know, I mean a victory, 1:18:25.880 --> 1:18:29.360 a greater victory in my personal life and professional life, 1:18:29.640 --> 1:18:33.800 and be a means of motivation and inspiration and other 1:18:33.920 --> 1:18:36.720 people of whom are my passion and whom I care 1:18:36.760 --> 1:18:39.599 about what I'm saying, you feel me more so than myself, 1:18:40.120 --> 1:18:43.200 you know what I'm saying. I you know, that's why 1:18:43.200 --> 1:18:46.640 I said I was all willing to die a revolutionary 1:18:46.680 --> 1:18:47.920 because I wouldn't given my life. 1:18:47.960 --> 1:18:50.280 I did not I didn't value my own life in 1:18:50.400 --> 1:18:53.000 that way I value you know, I'm saying, the legacy 1:18:53.080 --> 1:18:54.479 of a people, you know what I mean, Like you 1:18:54.560 --> 1:18:57.280 feel me dis enfranchised? I mean like you know, and 1:18:57.360 --> 1:19:00.120 I just felt like those things that were put on 1:19:00.200 --> 1:19:02.640 my heart and on my spirit to speak on, you know, 1:19:02.720 --> 1:19:04.160 and and the fact just the real fact that I 1:19:04.280 --> 1:19:05.679 was being affected and people. 1:19:05.479 --> 1:19:08.479 Were listening, and people were being changed because of it. 1:19:08.840 --> 1:19:11.320 You know. I felt like you know, when my when 1:19:11.400 --> 1:19:15.360 my my mothers and fathers, the associate pastors would say 1:19:15.400 --> 1:19:17.120 to me as a child, you're going to be a minister. 1:19:17.560 --> 1:19:20.400 You know. I felt like prophecy was coming to pass 1:19:20.560 --> 1:19:23.680 because of music, you know what I'm saying. So I 1:19:23.760 --> 1:19:26.240 felt like I was doing Yeah, I felt like I 1:19:26.439 --> 1:19:29.720 was doing what I was always meant to do, you 1:19:29.800 --> 1:19:32.519 know what I mean, Like you know, I just wanted, 1:19:32.760 --> 1:19:34.320 you know, I wish it was just some kind of 1:19:34.360 --> 1:19:37.120 way that I could remind people to refer them back 1:19:37.160 --> 1:19:39.040 to what I had done. I'm like, man, please don't 1:19:39.320 --> 1:19:41.560 please y'all, don't forget about what I did. I did this, 1:19:42.080 --> 1:19:44.320 you know, like for no money. You know what I'm saying. 1:19:44.320 --> 1:19:45.640 You feel me want no money? And what we were 1:19:45.680 --> 1:19:47.840 doing as good as mind we we were writing songs 1:19:47.880 --> 1:19:50.240 about Marshal Law in nineteen ninety five. 1:19:50.320 --> 1:19:52.280 What are you doing that I talk about Atlanta? 1:19:52.920 --> 1:19:54.320 Oh shit, you are in Atlanta. 1:19:54.600 --> 1:19:57.600 Yes. I wasn't trying to say nothing, you know what 1:19:57.680 --> 1:19:59.960 I'm saying, Like, we weren't doing nothing. We're trying to share, 1:20:00.760 --> 1:20:01.960 you know what I'm saying, Like and be out and 1:20:02.080 --> 1:20:05.080 be our highest selves. You know what I mean with 1:20:05.240 --> 1:20:08.960 that opportunity because we all had a deep sense of appreciation. 1:20:09.960 --> 1:20:13.320 H And you know, hey, man, I was married to 1:20:13.360 --> 1:20:15.360 a black woman, got a black son. You know what 1:20:15.360 --> 1:20:17.320 I'm saying, Like you know my mother was one of 1:20:17.400 --> 1:20:22.200 the first several black firefighter fire women in Atlanta, Georgia. 1:20:22.240 --> 1:20:27.360 And I got some wonderful, some gigantic women around me 1:20:27.479 --> 1:20:29.800 who I come from, you know what I mean, Like then, 1:20:29.880 --> 1:20:31.640 I would never do such a thing, you know what 1:20:31.640 --> 1:20:32.040 I'm saying. 1:20:32.360 --> 1:20:36.240 How did you the conversation with your son? 1:20:36.520 --> 1:20:38.720 Because I get Well, he's nineteen now, but I mean 1:20:38.760 --> 1:20:40.240 he was, you know, a little younger at the time. 1:20:40.680 --> 1:20:43.519 How how do y'all have that conversation in terms of 1:20:44.280 --> 1:20:46.720 what it was you know, just you know, it was hard, man. 1:20:46.920 --> 1:20:48.960 It was hard than when they were younger, man, because 1:20:48.960 --> 1:20:51.479 they become victimized. And I'm saying, like you know, and 1:20:51.760 --> 1:20:54.760 and the guilt by association, just the embarrassment man, Like 1:20:54.840 --> 1:20:56.840 you know, you can you can't even I can't even 1:20:56.840 --> 1:20:59.400 really put that into words. It's just to time, you 1:20:59.479 --> 1:21:01.040 know what I'm saying, Like you know what I mean, 1:21:01.160 --> 1:21:04.559 like time and and tangibility of just me being there 1:21:04.640 --> 1:21:07.080 me we haven't been able to touch and feel what 1:21:07.080 --> 1:21:10.360 I'm saying, like you know. And you know a lot 1:21:10.400 --> 1:21:12.560 of people would say that, you know, hey, man, my 1:21:12.680 --> 1:21:14.560 kids know me, but you gotta gotta. 1:21:16.880 --> 1:21:17.599 They really don't. 1:21:18.280 --> 1:21:20.280 And they've been watching you to think I've learned just 1:21:20.360 --> 1:21:24.000 in fatherhood, Like they've been watching the things, the things 1:21:24.040 --> 1:21:26.599 that you don't think they see or like like you've 1:21:26.640 --> 1:21:29.799 been telling them one thing whatever, but they've been watching 1:21:30.360 --> 1:21:33.600 everything else. And they've been picking up on stuff that 1:21:33.680 --> 1:21:35.519 you might not even think that they was looking at. 1:21:35.520 --> 1:21:39.240 And it's like damn you absolutely, you know what I'm saying, No, no, man, 1:21:39.320 --> 1:21:41.320 but but my son, y'all, y'all watch for him too. 1:21:41.400 --> 1:21:44.479 Man, Like he's been producing me, you know what I'm saying, 1:21:44.520 --> 1:21:47.240 like as of Blake and he is he is. Uh 1:21:47.600 --> 1:21:49.960 you know we we we did. We did on my 1:21:50.040 --> 1:21:51.400 I G you can check it out. We did like 1:21:51.520 --> 1:21:55.479 some Callaway Family band posts, you know, like he taught 1:21:55.520 --> 1:21:59.000 my fiance Sean how to play bass and guitar. Wow, 1:21:59.600 --> 1:22:02.520 we would. We were doing that a lot throughout the quarantine. 1:22:03.280 --> 1:22:05.800 So no, he's accomplished and he's dope. And I mean 1:22:05.880 --> 1:22:07.360 like so like he's like me when I was a kid, 1:22:07.479 --> 1:22:10.599 Like I like Judas Priests and Motley Crue and Black 1:22:10.680 --> 1:22:13.519 Sabbath when I was a kid. So he's like he 1:22:13.760 --> 1:22:16.519 likes System of a Down and Slip Knot and stuff 1:22:16.560 --> 1:22:16.720 like that. 1:22:17.080 --> 1:22:17.920 Just produce their name. 1:22:19.000 --> 1:22:27.280 His producer name is Points Setup. His I is Points 1:22:27.320 --> 1:22:29.800 center Guard And he doesn't he don't really post a lot. 1:22:29.880 --> 1:22:32.280 But you know, like he's a quiet kid and he's reserved, 1:22:32.320 --> 1:22:35.599 but like he's a he's really talented. 1:22:35.720 --> 1:22:37.840 So is he with you? Like full time? He's with 1:22:37.960 --> 1:22:39.639 his mom? Like how do y'all work that out. 1:22:40.400 --> 1:22:42.360 You know, any place I got, he got you know 1:22:42.400 --> 1:22:43.960 what I'm saying, So like you know any you know, 1:22:44.400 --> 1:22:46.320 I would never get a one bed room somewhere. Like 1:22:46.400 --> 1:22:47.800 it's like I'm make sure I got to so he 1:22:47.840 --> 1:22:48.120 got some. 1:22:51.080 --> 1:22:51.880 U how that go? 1:22:52.640 --> 1:22:52.800 Hey? 1:22:53.040 --> 1:22:57.080 So well, anything can happen in hours. That's that's the 1:22:57.160 --> 1:22:59.360 times that we live in right now, anything could happen. 1:23:00.920 --> 1:23:05.040 How what do you feel like right now seeing what's 1:23:05.120 --> 1:23:06.519 happening in Atlanta, Georgia. 1:23:07.479 --> 1:23:09.360 Man, it's kind of like what we was talking about, 1:23:09.640 --> 1:23:12.000 you know earlier, men, just like with the music and 1:23:12.360 --> 1:23:16.080 the way that you know, activism had always been, you know, 1:23:16.240 --> 1:23:19.680 our unified front. You know what I mean. I feel saddened, 1:23:19.920 --> 1:23:23.040 and I feel disappointed, and I feel angered, and I 1:23:23.080 --> 1:23:25.880 feel but I feel impassioned, and I do feel like 1:23:26.479 --> 1:23:31.320 you know, you know, you know we're worked against you 1:23:31.360 --> 1:23:32.840 know what I mean when I said when I say we, 1:23:32.960 --> 1:23:35.640 I mean in terms of like conscious music, you know 1:23:35.640 --> 1:23:38.160 what I mean, Like there's really no outlet, there's no platform, 1:23:38.400 --> 1:23:42.160 you know, I mean, like you know for it. It's 1:23:42.320 --> 1:23:45.360 like but but that's what we're supposed to be thriving, 1:23:45.479 --> 1:23:47.519 you know, I mean, like there hasn't there hasn't been 1:23:47.560 --> 1:23:50.320 a movement, you know, of an era of a generation 1:23:50.680 --> 1:23:53.200 where the music didn't reflect the sign of the times, 1:23:53.360 --> 1:23:56.439 you know what I'm saying. And I believe that there's 1:23:56.600 --> 1:23:59.000 just a large disconnect, you know what I mean. It's like, 1:23:59.120 --> 1:24:02.240 but how can we make not only those protest songs, 1:24:02.320 --> 1:24:05.960 but like those those historical timeless songs, you know what 1:24:05.960 --> 1:24:11.280 I mean, like that that last you know, uh, that last, 1:24:11.479 --> 1:24:13.880 you know? And going forward? I mean like because I 1:24:13.960 --> 1:24:17.879 do see that people addressing the issues with sound bites 1:24:18.080 --> 1:24:21.560 and uh, montages of the current events and things of 1:24:21.640 --> 1:24:23.120 that nature. You know, you know what I mean. But 1:24:23.320 --> 1:24:26.360 like sometimes it's a little disheartening to me because like 1:24:27.200 --> 1:24:29.040 you know, I hate for any of us as as 1:24:29.240 --> 1:24:32.719 as artists to have to be you know, conveniently black 1:24:32.960 --> 1:24:34.240 or you know what I mean, Like you know, you know, 1:24:35.400 --> 1:24:37.080 you know, in any kind of way, man, Like I 1:24:37.280 --> 1:24:41.120 really would like for that to be you know, our disposition, 1:24:41.320 --> 1:24:43.760 you know what I mean, Like in our narrative, you know, 1:24:44.000 --> 1:24:45.720 going forward, you know what I mean, Like, you know, 1:24:45.840 --> 1:24:50.400 we've got to we've got to create counterbalances, you know 1:24:50.439 --> 1:24:52.360 what I mean, Like you know, like for our culture 1:24:52.520 --> 1:24:55.840 or else we will be defined you know what I'm saying, 1:24:55.880 --> 1:24:58.519 like you know, like you know, as it stands, you 1:24:58.600 --> 1:25:01.240 know what I mean, And so I have my opinions, 1:25:01.320 --> 1:25:04.120 but you know, like it's it's it's it's sometimes it's 1:25:04.320 --> 1:25:06.639 you know, I hate to cop out and by saying 1:25:06.800 --> 1:25:09.120 like it's ultimately what the people want, you know what 1:25:09.120 --> 1:25:10.880 I mean, like you know, giving people what they want, 1:25:10.920 --> 1:25:12.720 you know what I mean, it's just like just. 1:25:12.760 --> 1:25:14.519 Because I think people are looking at it here as 1:25:14.560 --> 1:25:16.200 you talk about you know, you have a nineteen year 1:25:16.200 --> 1:25:17.640 old son, and you a black man, and you were 1:25:17.640 --> 1:25:20.439 in Atlanta and we just saw what happened with Raynard, 1:25:20.479 --> 1:25:22.720 and that's you thought that George Floyd was going to be. 1:25:22.760 --> 1:25:26.000 The you know, do y'all know that I was coming 1:25:26.080 --> 1:25:29.160 home from a meeting, and you know, I just saw 1:25:29.240 --> 1:25:33.000 that the traffic was grid locked, and I knew, I mean, 1:25:33.080 --> 1:25:34.840 like I know it now in the traffic, I'm like this, 1:25:35.120 --> 1:25:37.920 I said this same movement, But I didn't realize what 1:25:38.040 --> 1:25:39.920 had happened until I got home because I was coming 1:25:39.960 --> 1:25:42.479 through the city and I still had like another forty 1:25:42.520 --> 1:25:45.040 five minutes to travel to get home. And then I 1:25:45.240 --> 1:25:48.240 realized the incident, you know, in the tragedy that had 1:25:48.320 --> 1:25:51.400 just taken place and they were rioting right there. So 1:25:51.600 --> 1:25:54.320 like you know, I mean seventy yeah, you know what 1:25:54.320 --> 1:25:57.320 I mean, Like university, Yeah, man, like you know that's 1:25:57.600 --> 1:26:00.679 you know, that's that's damn it. You know, that's home 1:26:00.800 --> 1:26:02.280 for me, you know what I mean, Like I'm from here, 1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:04.800 you know what I mean, So like you're seeing it firsthand. 1:26:05.280 --> 1:26:07.479 You know, we've had you know, even going back, you 1:26:07.560 --> 1:26:09.960 know a few weeks to COVID in March, you know, 1:26:10.120 --> 1:26:13.160 since Shanni and my fiancees, you know, her her father 1:26:13.640 --> 1:26:16.479 and her uncle passed within days apart. You know what 1:26:16.479 --> 1:26:20.160 I mean, due to unrelated health issues. But we took 1:26:20.640 --> 1:26:23.040 I mean, like we've taken real losses. You know what 1:26:23.080 --> 1:26:25.080 I'm saying. We continue to take losses. 1:26:25.040 --> 1:26:26.880 Amount of time right now. 1:26:27.160 --> 1:26:29.360 Yeah, I'm just like, damn, you know what I mean. 1:26:29.479 --> 1:26:34.720 So like we can't go back to perpetuating and celebrating 1:26:34.840 --> 1:26:38.519 our stereotypes and our and reveling in our ignorance and 1:26:38.640 --> 1:26:41.120 our you know, inaccountability. You know what I mean. You 1:26:41.200 --> 1:26:44.160 feel me like we've got to be responsible, you know 1:26:44.160 --> 1:26:45.760 what I mean, Like you I mean, like about the 1:26:45.880 --> 1:26:48.840 things we say and the images we portray and going forward. 1:26:48.920 --> 1:26:51.679 I mean like and you know, I don't know we needed, 1:26:51.800 --> 1:26:53.479 but like you know that kind of music, that kind 1:26:53.479 --> 1:26:55.320 of content, you know what I mean, Like that's that's 1:26:55.439 --> 1:26:58.519 independent action. I mean, like it's apost certainly not affirmative action. 1:26:59.000 --> 1:27:01.240 So we have to we have to support you know, 1:27:01.920 --> 1:27:04.720 that balance, you know, I mean, like you know, and 1:27:04.840 --> 1:27:09.000 sustain that balance for ourselves because I mean literally our 1:27:09.120 --> 1:27:12.560 lives are depending on it. I mean, because music is 1:27:13.320 --> 1:27:16.000 you know, it is in my opinion me being an artist, 1:27:16.040 --> 1:27:18.240 I consider it to be a central work, you know 1:27:18.280 --> 1:27:21.120 what I mean, Like I believe that should be considered 1:27:21.160 --> 1:27:22.160 as a central workers. 1:27:22.280 --> 1:27:25.439 DJs have been getting people through this shift like all that, 1:27:25.600 --> 1:27:29.439 like for real, for real, you know, well, thank you, 1:27:30.560 --> 1:27:34.000 uh brother brother, see, thank you very much for your time. 1:27:34.479 --> 1:27:37.720 This is epic, all of your time the year. 1:27:38.560 --> 1:27:42.920 Appreciate that, amazing man and just as and as just 1:27:43.000 --> 1:27:44.920 from MC to m C and just you know, you 1:27:45.000 --> 1:27:47.200 were just a huge inspiration and still are, you know, 1:27:47.320 --> 1:27:50.400 Huger inserration for me just to transition to using your 1:27:50.400 --> 1:27:53.240 singing voice and just hearing you talk about it like 1:27:53.360 --> 1:27:56.200 it's it's so many parallels to my career and I 1:27:56.360 --> 1:27:57.960 just thank you just for the inspiration and for the 1:27:58.000 --> 1:27:58.880 work brothers for real. 1:27:59.520 --> 1:28:02.320 Well, you've callted me so many times in this interview. Man, 1:28:02.400 --> 1:28:04.320 I really can't believe it. Man, I had no idea 1:28:04.760 --> 1:28:07.960 that you you know you you you cut that as 1:28:08.000 --> 1:28:09.680 we said, you cut that hard for me. Man, I 1:28:09.760 --> 1:28:14.479 really it was a pleasure to meet. Sure, you look 1:28:14.560 --> 1:28:17.600 just like a good friend of mine named Kim Uh Steve, 1:28:18.120 --> 1:28:20.920 you know, and and of course the almighty Quest Love. 1:28:21.160 --> 1:28:23.000 You know what I mean. Thank you for having me. 1:28:23.200 --> 1:28:26.160 You know. Thank I got more bluff of y'all. So 1:28:26.560 --> 1:28:29.240 I hope you know that the content that we got 1:28:29.280 --> 1:28:31.160 here is of some of you. It's not just an. 1:28:32.920 --> 1:28:37.280 This is a typical episode, but not so much because 1:28:37.280 --> 1:28:37.519 it's you. 1:28:37.600 --> 1:28:39.519 And I hope that you enjoyed your experience too. 1:28:39.720 --> 1:28:40.559 I hope you did. 1:28:40.720 --> 1:28:43.400 I did. I thank you'all for having me. Man, I didn't. 1:28:43.439 --> 1:28:44.760 I didn't have no idea. I just knew I was 1:28:44.760 --> 1:28:45.559 talking to Quest. 1:28:45.360 --> 1:28:52.280 Today, so I will say she will. Thank you very much, 1:28:52.600 --> 1:28:55.320 uh for doing our show. This has been long overdue. 1:28:56.560 --> 1:28:59.200 I hope you enjoyed this. Yes, so on behalf of 1:29:00.360 --> 1:29:02.679 sugar Steve, you cool sugar Steve. 1:29:03.000 --> 1:29:05.840 Yes, Yes, I am thank you exactly. Bill. 1:29:06.040 --> 1:29:10.880 Bill's over there, just yeah, I'm doing pretty Cain over there. 1:29:11.040 --> 1:29:16.640 Pretty great, yo, y'all. We will see you on the 1:29:16.720 --> 1:29:20.880 next proground of Quest Love Supreme. We appreciate you. Stay safe, 1:29:21.200 --> 1:29:22.759 all right, see aladays. 1:29:24.680 --> 1:29:30.320 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. For more 1:29:30.360 --> 1:29:34.360 podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 1:29:34.800 --> 1:29:36.519 or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.