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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: What Up y'all? It's like yeah, And this week we

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Speaker 2: are traveling back back back back to June of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty when we finally caught up with se Lo Green.

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Speaker 3: Yep, se Lo Green.

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Speaker 2: He talks about finding his boys, Goodie Mob, Naarls Barkley

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Speaker 2: and all the good stuff. It's so good that it's

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Speaker 2: a two parter. We know you love those. As we

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Speaker 2: queue that up for you, don't forget to make sure

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Speaker 2: you check out our whole Dungeon Family series of interviews.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, y'all, from Organized Noise to My Girl Joy

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Speaker 2: to even quests one on one with Andre three thousand. Yep,

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Speaker 2: it happened. So here is part two of se Lo

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Speaker 2: Green on Questlove Supreme.

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Speaker 3: How does one?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's actually two parter because you know you said

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Speaker 4: you didn't you really weren't with the direction of the record.

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Speaker 4: Who is the alpha, Who's the Who's who's the alpha?

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Speaker 3: Goodie?

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Speaker 4: That one is the anchor that brings everyone together to

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Speaker 4: have a meeting or or discussion about it or My

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Speaker 4: second question is how do you dissolve the situation?

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Speaker 3: How?

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Speaker 4: What was what was the process of you leaving the

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Speaker 4: group to start Your Perfect Imperfections and the Soul Machine projects.

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Speaker 5: Well we had just done not too long ago maybe,

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Speaker 5: like you know, I think in March, you know, our

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Speaker 5: episode of Unsung had added and we kind of touched

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Speaker 5: on that, and you know me, it was me and

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Speaker 5: Timo that discussed very you know, very plainly that you know,

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Speaker 5: after that project, everybody wanted to venture out and do

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Speaker 5: solo solo projects. You know, everybody's always had an ambition

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Speaker 5: to do it, but like we kind of stumbled upon

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Speaker 5: our own synergy and became kind of you know, you know,

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Speaker 5: safeguarded by that, you know what I mean, Like, you know,

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Speaker 5: because we did ultimately have three consecutive Gold Reference but

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Speaker 5: we were only kind of like slated to do just

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Speaker 5: one record, I mean, being that it was just meant

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Speaker 5: to be a compilation. And then also we were friends

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Speaker 5: and and and you know, like and we were kind of,

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Speaker 5: you know, if you will, ganged in like you know

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Speaker 5: what I mean, Like we loyal like down with each other.

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Speaker 5: So it's like, you know, everybody felt a certain kind

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Speaker 5: of way by feeling anything ulterior to you know what

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Speaker 5: I mean, Like, uh, you know, goodie, you know what

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Speaker 5: I mean, like you know, but you know, I had

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Speaker 5: to be true to dying self, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 5: Like you know, because the fact of the matter is

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Speaker 5: I was always poised to be a solo artist anyway,

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Speaker 5: and that that point I really was ready, you know

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Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like I can honestly say at the beginning,

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Speaker 5: I wasn't. But that after three albums and after touring

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Speaker 5: consecutively and accomplishing what we accomplished, I said, Okay, I

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Speaker 5: think we you know, I think we made out our

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Speaker 5: you know, our our impression. It's like this, so I

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Speaker 5: I knew somewhat, I mean, of what I could accomplish

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Speaker 5: if I applied myself outside of Goodie Mob.

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Speaker 6: I mean, like you think the Santana record kind of

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Speaker 6: helped you get it?

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Speaker 3: Did?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: It?

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Speaker 5: Did it? Did? I gotta I gotta give thanks and

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Speaker 5: praise to miss Lauren Hill, you know, I mean, like

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Speaker 5: who reached out to me. We all befriended each other

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Speaker 5: on those first tours roots you know, uh, Goody Mob

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Speaker 5: and the Foujis. You know what I'm saying, Like you know,

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Speaker 5: it's so so with that she came and got me,

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Speaker 5: you know, and I didn't even really. I knew that

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Speaker 5: I had a I knew that I could sing, but

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Speaker 5: I wasn't really tripping, you know, but you know it

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Speaker 5: was her. Joy and Erica bad are the first. You know,

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Speaker 5: that's like the holy Trinity, right man? And I'm saying,

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Speaker 5: you feel me like I worked with them separately. I

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Speaker 5: remember going to to New York when Erica wants and

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Speaker 5: she and she wanted me to come out on stage

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Speaker 5: whatever you want to do? And I just hommed and

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Speaker 2: So still, have you done any so in your in

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Speaker 2: your evolution as a singer, have you done any maintenance

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Speaker 2: on your voice, any kind of coach like, because it

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Speaker 2: seems like as you evolved, got into that Narls bag

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Speaker 5: Starting to come out. Well, damn question, What was your question? Again?

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Speaker 5: I just want to make sure I get it, you

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Speaker 3: How did you quit the group?

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Speaker 5: It was? It was, it was agreed upon, we all

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Speaker 5: had an understanding. Now how it digressed into you know

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Speaker 5: what I mean, like a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 5: the internal riffings and you know, you know they kind

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Speaker 5: don't know what I mean, Like I really wasn't emotionally

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Speaker 5: come back, you know, as we ultimately end up you know, doing.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, me too, come back.

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Speaker 5: And come back to it. And I mean so so

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Speaker 5: with that, you know what I mean, I just knew

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Speaker 5: And it's funny that man get talking about this recently.

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Speaker 5: He said, Man, well, you know you were right. I mean,

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Speaker 5: like it's not something that we could have foresaw, you

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Speaker 5: that the best. On the episode of Unsong, he said,

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Speaker 5: I knew that, you know, that time would ultimately come

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Speaker 5: at some point, he said, But no matter when that

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Speaker 5: right time for me, you know what I'm saying. And

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Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't know that they cared that much.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. You feel me like, you know,

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Speaker 5: because I also looked at music as recreation. So when

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Speaker 5: I came out with Closet Freaking did that album, that's

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Speaker 5: just me, you know, having fun, just kind of like

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Speaker 5: peacocking and showing people. Hey, man, like I got other

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Speaker 6: Me my favorite record, oh, my favorite song on that album,

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Speaker 6: Like it wasn't even like a full song, but I

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Speaker 6: love it to death.

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Speaker 3: Base head Jazz. Yeah, I love that fucking song.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: That was the one for me. I played that shit

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Speaker 5: You want to know something double about bassa jazz And

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Speaker 5: a lot of people say that, man, like the reason

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Speaker 5: you know, so uh, you know me because I produced

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Speaker 5: all of that stuff and a lot of people don't

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Speaker 5: know you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Your own Well, it's that thing.

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Speaker 5: It's that thing, bro, And I'm gonna tell you question.

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Speaker 5: I know you're trying to get me to dig into it.

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Speaker 5: It's like I will say, around that time, I didn't

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Speaker 5: really I didn't really ask for help. I just kind

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Speaker 5: of thought that help should be volunteered. And I thought that,

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Speaker 5: again I didn't really feel like I was diminishing myself

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Speaker 5: And that's not to discount or you know, be condescended

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Speaker 5: toward what we did or do collectively. Soing like I

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Speaker 5: love the crew our Lonely show, I only ever show solidarity.

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Speaker 5: And I'm saying you feel me like I'm built like that,

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Speaker 5: Like I'm a team I'm a team kind of guy

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Speaker 5: just like you. Anytime I look at Jimmy Fallon quest,

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Speaker 5: and I'm like, I'm like, look at that man knowing

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. You feel me like they

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Speaker 5: go in to battle with him when lose a draw.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, You feel me. And when

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Speaker 5: you ask who's that alpha male? I could? I could

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Speaker 5: Like and our collective, no one wants to assume that position,

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Like, so therefore I will

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Speaker 5: there's a great deal of appeasement that goes on internally.

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean, Like, you know, to make

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Speaker 5: So I even I put my accomplishments on the shelf,

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Speaker 5: me and I love that And I'm saying, like, because

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Speaker 5: I like having og. I'm saying like, you know, I'm

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Speaker 5: I'm saying. You feel soul. I really don't mind, you

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Speaker 5: I can go elsewhere and behold on command. I can

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Speaker 5: whole because because because I because crew is inclusive, and

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Speaker 5: is bilateral. I'm not whole without the collective. I love

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Speaker 4: So in the time that you leave the group and

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Speaker 4: you start your solo career, of course you know outcasts,

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Speaker 4: you know, they create this this monstrous diamond album that's

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Speaker 4: in its capable to the world as far as an eclipse,

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Speaker 4: and then what happens with you is like, in my

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Speaker 4: mind at least in two thousand and three, thought hey,

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Speaker 4: would borderline say that the rival of crazy and the

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Speaker 4: the kind of the term viral, viral moments viral like Crazy,

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Speaker 4: I almost feel is the first viral song, at least

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Speaker 4: be used in everyone's lexicon.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not going to argue with.

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Speaker 4: Me to the point where like where I mean, even

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Speaker 4: Paris Hilton had her her cover of it. How uncomfortable

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Speaker 4: was it for you to accept what I assume is

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Speaker 4: a very unexpected moment where I would assume that, like

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Speaker 4: Nols Barkley was just like, hey, let's just do a

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Speaker 4: little QT side project with my weirdo friend Brian here

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Speaker 4: and then I'll go do my third record, which, incidentally,

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Speaker 4: I mean, if anything, fuck you probably.

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Speaker 3: Surpassed Crazy.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, like numbers wise, what was more inescapable

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Speaker 3: Like you know, so what lesson did you learn?

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Speaker 4: And being in a group with him that you didn't

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Speaker 5: Can I tell you he told me the greatest I

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Speaker 5: just the thought and Necromancer and something else, and I

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00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 5: went back in and and and he would only have

432
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 5: these two minute loops, and I was trying to see,

433
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 5: can I can I can I complete a thought? Or

434
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 5: can I get to a point of realization within those confines?

435
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 5: You know what I mean? So that was I had

436
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 5: tasked myself in that way, but you know, he had

437
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 5: to go off to Iceland, so we were a little rushed,

438
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 5: not not really knowing really what to expect of each other,

439
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,479
Speaker 5: just trying to hope him to get something. I mean, like,

440
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 5: you know.

441
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 6: So the whole record in eight days, the whole album much, you.

442
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 4: Know, I mean, like you know, sometimes the best work

443
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 4: is done without thinking it, and you just just.

444
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 5: Didn't think, didn't didn't think about it, you know what

445
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 5: I mean. Like it was completely and totally unpretentious. I

446
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 5: promise it's the most honest, organic thing I've ever done.

447
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 5: What I'm saying that worked as well as it did.

448
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 3: Were you a violent fin fin or was he a

449
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 3: violent fifth fin Well? I that shocked me. I was like, oh, ship,

450
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 3: that was.

451
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 5: Definitely his idea. I was familiar with with with violent

452
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 5: him from Blistering the Sun. And then more more recently

453
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 5: around that time was a song they had put out

454
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 5: called breaking Up. You know, breaking Up right? Yeah? So

455
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 5: I like that record. So I don't know what got

456
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 5: in him to make him think that that. I don't

457
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 5: know what he was doing, but I trusted him in

458
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 5: a very uh uncanny way. He said what he said

459
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 5: to me, I knew that I could trust him. On

460
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 5: another occasion, he told me something else, great he said,

461
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 5: he said low. I guess because he was dealing with

462
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 5: the executives, and you know, people felt like you know,

463
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 5: sometimes when people are dealing with the producer, they think

464
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 5: they're dealing with the the texts and balances the math

465
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 5: of a situation. Like you know, songwriting is science, and

466
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 5: science is subject to interpretation. Math as a matter of fact,

467
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 5: it's exact. So therefore they'd rather talk to him than me.

468
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 5: Uh So he was dealing with them, and I think

469
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 5: he got a notion to say. He said, low, man,

470
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 5: everybody seems to be scared of you. I'm saying, like,

471
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 5: you know, because I was writing these songs and people

472
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 5: not knowing how genuine they are and me like it's

473
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 5: like goddamn, Like you know, like this got cool? Is

474
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 5: he all right? What I'm saying? You know what I mean? Like, uh,

475
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 5: he said, he said, everybody seems to be scared of you,

476
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 5: he said, but I'm not scared of you, he said,

477
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 5: as a matter of fact, when I'm with you, I'm

478
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 5: not scared of anything.

479
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 3: Wow.

480
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. So that's that's the you know,

481
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 5: that's that's I want to quote him out loud in

482
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 5: the world with that. I want that to reverberate. And

483
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 5: I'm saying like, you know, like all over because that's

484
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 5: one of the sweetest things anybody ever told me. You

485
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like and you know, I'm like,

486
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 5: I'm like Shrek in my own little way, you know

487
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. You feel me like this? You know,

488
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 5: I'm like people have taken me to be because because

489
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 5: at certain at a certain point, like when we got

490
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 5: to the second Nolge Rock the album, you know, then

491
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 5: his ego started to kick in a little bit, and

492
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 5: he kind of felt like he was doctor Frankenstein, and

493
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 5: I was, of course Frankenstein, you know what I'm saying.

494
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 5: And I'm like, well, no, you know what I'm saying, like,

495
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 5: you know, like you know, I'm smarter than that, you know,

496
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 5: he says. And then then I then I always find

497
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 5: myself having to assert myself. And then then when I

498
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 5: get then when we got a problem.

499
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 3: Was it made the opposite way?

500
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 4: Did you guys spend more time thinking it over and

501
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 4: and kind of less the approach that you did with

502
00:26:59,000 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 4: the first record?

503
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 5: Okay, let me say this. He had to leave through

504
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 5: through one of those sessions we were doing. We were

505
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 5: doing something else where. He came in the studio. He

506
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 5: gave me like two copies of the Gray album, which

507
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 5: was the mash up, and when that and when that

508
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 5: went out, it was like boom. You know what I'm

509
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 5: saying Like, it was like wow, And then on then

510
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 5: on the on, then on the other side. I ended

511
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 5: up writing and producing Don't You for the Pussycat Dogs?

512
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: So we gotta get that story.

513
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 6: I've never I always wanted to ask, Yeah, we gotta

514
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 6: get that story.

515
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 3: Man like at that time.

516
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 5: Well you know, after I remember and I had the two.

517
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 5: I had perfectin Perfections, I had Sole Machine. You know,

518
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 5: they were critically acclaimed. Perfect Perfections was nominated for a Grammy.

519
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 2: Uh.

520
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 5: Any Ir ended up beating me out of that Grammy

521
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 5: that year. I was dominated for a Grammy for that album.

522
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 5: Uh And she's my sister, so like it was a

523
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 5: good but I was kind of ready to walk away.

524
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 5: I'll fin yo, like because I'm never really tripping about

525
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 5: scene being seen or anything like that. Like you know,

526
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 5: as as extroverted as I am, I really I don't

527
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 5: really care rolling. I mean, like you know, like I

528
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 5: could just I could write songs and you know and

529
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 5: get quiet money and and checking up. You know, like

530
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 5: I don't know, I'm not shifting.

531
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: Necessary for Brandy. I love that.

532
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 6: I just wanted to say, for I forget the joint.

533
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 6: You wrote necessary Nigga, I love.

534
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: That's my face.

535
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, So you know, I'm surprised that she loved

536
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 5: that record, but like you I mean, like you know

537
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 5: that that's something that I would sentimentally, I would write

538
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 5: for myself, but like she that record spoke to her,

539
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 5: and I'm like Brandy she's one of the greatest. Say

540
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 5: she's I love her voice. Ray J is my man,

541
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 5: so like I've known them for years and say, anyway,

542
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 5: that's that story. But no, you're right. So like I

543
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 5: so I went, I slipped into a songwriting kind of

544
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 5: space and I was like, well, I'll just do that

545
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 5: what I'm saying you feel me and I won't trip. Uh.

546
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 5: But the narge Rocky, I didn't know if it would work,

547
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 5: but again, it was just something recreational. I didn't really

548
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 5: you know, I didn't care. I mean, like you know,

549
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 5: and I wasn't as concerned, you know, But when you're

550
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 5: not looking for it, that's when you find it, you

551
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 5: know what I mean. And then y'all.

552
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: Perfected y'all Live show to like levels of because I

553
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: remember y'all did the Roofs Picnic and it was amazing, Like.

554
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 5: Yo, we started kicking ass y'all, like you know, and

555
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 5: that's what happened, you know, like that that journey that

556
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 5: took me on the journey of ten years, you know,

557
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 5: between those two albums and touring like you know, and

558
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 5: you know, then you're supplying you find it, and then

559
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 5: then it's not a dream anymore. It's reality. But then

560
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 5: you become you know, preoccupied with the with the demand,

561
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 5: you end up having to supply such a large demand.

562
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 5: You know. It's ironic in a way of like, you know,

563
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 5: you're working hard to kind of make that connection, you know,

564
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 5: and then once you make it, you got work three

565
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 5: times it was hard to supply. I mean, you feel

566
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 5: me like so anyway, no complaints.

567
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 4: I believe you're the only human being I know that.

568
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was at the height of

569
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 4: crazy or not? Where is it? Did spell this rumor?

570
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 4: Were you not in a room with both Prince and

571
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson at the same time?

572
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 5: Yes, heard the story? Did you hear what I am telling?

573
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 4: No, I I don't. I don't know where I heard.

574
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 4: Maybe I read a blurb or something. But I heard

575
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 4: a rumor and I was like, no, impossible.

576
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 5: Of course, I think what happened. You're probably the only

577
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 5: bigger Prince fan than me than I. Then I can

578
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 5: acknowledge if I have any knowledge of But yes, like

579
00:30:52,560 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 5: you know, princess, like my fairy godfather, Like, yeah, okay,

580
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 5: So the story goes, we were in Las Vegas doing something.

581
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 5: I don't know what we were doing. Maybe we were

582
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 5: on tour, but we ended up at a club and

583
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 5: there was this beautiful woman there. She was dressed like

584
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 5: what do you call those ladies in the courtroom who's

585
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 5: typing and stuff? Okay, she was dressed like a stenographer,

586
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 5: half back in a type bond and she was gorgeous

587
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 5: and like she didn't fit in whatsoever. Right, So we

588
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 5: walked to the back of the club and we're sitting there,

589
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 5: you know, Eroding City comes on, boom boom, and we're like,

590
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 5: oh shit, Prince, here we go, you know what I'm saying.

591
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 5: Next thing, you know, Prince walks through there and we're like,

592
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 5: oh shit, that was Prince. And if you know Prince,

593
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 5: like I know that, you know, he always does this

594
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 5: little smirk like you know what I'm saying, Like, it's

595
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 5: just a little smirk and that he does. And I

596
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 5: was like, damn, you know, like at first, the girl

597
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 5: seems so out of place, I'm like, what is she

598
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 5: doing here? So so anyway, it turns out that she

599
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 5: was with him and she was some artist that he

600
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 5: ended up putting a record out of her. She was gorgeous.

601
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 5: I don't remember her name though, but but but but yeah,

602
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 5: something like that like, so he he uh, he called me,

603
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 5: so he sent the security over. They called me over,

604
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 5: and he said that he loved Crazy. He said he

605
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 5: listened to the album and uh, he listened to the

606
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 5: same else where. He said it, he said, he said,

607
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 5: he said, must admit though it scared me a little,

608
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 5: and I said, it scared you. And I'm like, I

609
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 5: thought that that was so amazing because I'm like, that's

610
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 5: how I got into Prins because he scared the she

611
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 5: out of me when I was a kid, like you

612
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 5: know what I mean. Like, but I was drawn to him.

613
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 5: There's a song called Annie Christian that's scared Death. It

614
00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 5: does thank you right, you know what I'm saying. So

615
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 5: that song was unnerving to me. I don't know why,

616
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 5: but you know, that's him. That's the that's the magic

617
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 5: of him. But anyway, so anyway, we changed contacts. He

618
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 5: gets it. He gets in contact with me, and he's

619
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 5: doing his Vegas residency at the Rio Hotel in the

620
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 5: round room. So this room is made like a circle. Okay,

621
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 5: so I'm there. I get invited down there to perform

622
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 5: Crazy with him at his residency. Me and Will were

623
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 5: cool too at the time. We were talking a lot

624
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 5: more frequently, and he said that he was going to

625
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 5: be there. So we got there and you know, Will

626
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 5: was in Vegas working with Michael Jackson, you know, doing something.

627
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 5: So we're there, we do you know, I do crazy

628
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 5: with Prince and Will does whatever he does. And I

629
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 5: don't know what it was. I don't know if I

630
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 5: can't remember what record. It was, just maybe some vamp

631
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 5: that they were doing. Prince gets on the base and

632
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 5: it looks like the longest neck bass I've ever seen,

633
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 5: Like it was funny.

634
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: Prince is also like five foot zero, so exactly.

635
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 5: So he walks out into the room and this is

636
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 5: before I knew Michael Jackson was there. So he walks

637
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 5: out and the spotlight is on him and he gets

638
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 5: right in front of Michael Jackson's table, and I promise

639
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 5: you the the tip of that base was touching Michael

640
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 5: Jackson's nose. And he said, there he slapped that base

641
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 5: by two or three minute. Bank bank bank bank bank.

642
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 5: Michael ain't no pump. And so that was that.

643
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: But what did Michael's face look like? Because he ain't

644
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 2: no pump.

645
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 3: He like, I'm Joe Jackson's son.

646
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,479
Speaker 5: Hold up, Michael Jackson ain't no pump and that's a fact,

647
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Like, but I guess he

648
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 5: was kind of looking like he was like, Yo, this

649
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 5: dude just won't quit. Man. You know this has been years, Prince.

650
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 5: I don't got no problem with you. I don't want

651
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 5: no smoke with you, little man. But I met you know,

652
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 5: so that was like my second physical time meeting Prince.

653
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 5: The first time at that club. That like the meeting,

654
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 5: the meeting agreement with him at the show. But that

655
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 5: was my first and only time meeting Michael Jackson and

656
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 5: Michael Jackson when he stood up Michael Jackson. For those

657
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 5: who don't know, he's like ten feet tall.

658
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 3: He's tall.

659
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 5: He's tall with huge hands. He's like an alien dude

660
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 5: like you, I mean like he looks like the Predator. This

661
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 5: is a big dude. I got another crazy for Surry too.

662
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 3: I tell you it, run it.

663
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 5: Oh no dude, Okay. So one time it was you know,

664
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 5: he would do these after Grammy parties and so you know,

665
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 5: this was this was the year that I did the

666
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 5: I did fuck you, Uh. I did it with Gwyneth

667
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 5: foul Trail and had on the chicken suit.

668
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: You remember, like.

669
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 5: I was. I was my homage to the el Joint. Okay.

670
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 5: So I was sitting on the audience watching the rest

671
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 5: of the show, and he had somebody come around tapping

672
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 5: different people who he felt like, you know, he wanted

673
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 5: to invite to the house. So we ended up we

674
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 5: got we got the address. Yeah, so we got the

675
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 5: address and we ended up going over there. Like I

676
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 5: remember Maxwell was there, Dave Chappelle was there, and you know,

677
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 5: so you can hear the music downstairs, and we were

678
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 5: just kind of talking, you know. I didn't rush right downstairs,

679
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 5: and I'm looking around and see Prince. He's like, well,

680
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 5: he's down there playing music. So we get go downstairs.

681
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 5: And as soon as I come in the door, it's

682
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 5: like a path that's made for me and Princess directly

683
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 5: in front of me. But he's playing bass. He's like,

684
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 5: come here. He's justice to me to come here. He says,

685
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 5: pick us. So anytime he's ever been depicted a certain

686
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 5: kind of way, like Dave Chappelle doing him on on show,

687
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 5: that's exactly how he is, you know what I mean.

688
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 5: Like she said pick a song, I'm like, okay. So

689
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 5: it's this big book, this big book of song lyrics

690
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 5: printed out, and you know, I picked something easier that

691
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 5: I knew, and it was Superstition. So I sang Stevie

692
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 5: Wonders Superstition, you know. And so in the process of

693
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 5: me you know, that song was four minutes long, you

694
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 5: know what I mean, like, you know, give or take.

695
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 5: And in that process, he got off the base, got

696
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 5: on the drums when it mixed my vocal, and did

697
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 5: some other shit. What I'm saying, you feel me? So

698
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 5: I was like, damn, you know what I'm saying. And

699
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 5: so so I had some friends with me and he

700
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 5: was gracious enough to have us there. So as the

701
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 5: night went on, we're partying, you know, and you know,

702
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 5: people kind of started thinning out. So we ended up

703
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 5: staying all night, you know what I mean. Like, so

704
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 5: I sat and talked with him and blah blah blah

705
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 5: and you.

706
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: Know, convert you to to hand down jo Joel Witness. Yeah,

707
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 3: you fell on the track. Whenever he starts that, I'm like,

708
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 3: I'm out.

709
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 5: That's what. We sat there and talking about Jehovah's Witness.

710
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 5: I said, okay, you know, so so that was that.

711
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 5: And then look, so this is run of the time question.

712
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 5: I'm sure you'll know. He had that little two door

713
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 5: black Cadillac, look like the black the Batmobile, remember that one.

714
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 5: It's it's it's six or seven o'clock in the morning.

715
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 5: It's that it's that real hazy looking like Hotel California.

716
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like coming out, you know,

717
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 5: we drunk and been high and all that kind of stuff.

718
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. So not not him but us.

719
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: Yes, I know, trust me, everyone knows.

720
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 5: So with that, we're coming out of the door. And

721
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 5: then my homeboy says, yo, did y'all see Prince? I said, no,

722
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 5: where is he? He was jumping into the car. So

723
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 5: the garage door was up. You could see the car,

724
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 5: the Cadillac he gets, he said, he said, he just

725
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 5: got their Cadade right there. Okay, so imagine if we're

726
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 5: parking immediately across the street, so the driveway is here,

727
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 5: you know, the car is right there, the mailboxes right here.

728
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 5: He takes off out of the garage. He almost runs

729
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 5: us over. Man, Look, I wish it could be it's

730
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 5: kind of crazy that I'm saying it, but like it

731
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 5: was funny for us then because it was just amazing,

732
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 5: like what is he doing? Where's he going? In this

733
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 5: his house? Where's he going?

734
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: It's all right?

735
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 5: So but he wasn't trying to hear the us. But

736
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 5: so he cuts out of the driver real quick. Woo.

737
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 5: He makes a left, and we're parked like facing up

738
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 5: the hill because we only know of one interest into

739
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 5: that subdivision, right we I don't know what he was going,

740
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 5: if he was gonna make if he was making.

741
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 3: A left, you know what I'm saying, like, right, where

742
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: could you go?

743
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 5: Where are you going? Man?

744
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: The right? Why is he going to the left?

745
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 5: I just think the reason why. It's just cool because

746
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 5: I just think that it was just to give us

747
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 5: kind of something to be talking about right now, you know,

748
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 5: twelve years later. I mean like he just he just

749
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 5: gave us a little question mark, a little mystery. It

750
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 5: was great.

751
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 3: He always does that, does weird ship just to I

752
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: know it'll be a story later.

753
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 4: He did a shit to us once where I think

754
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 4: the last time I saw him he changed his outfit twice?

755
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 3: Did he for no reason?

756
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 4: It was literally just he had one outfit on, came

757
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 4: back in, had another outfit on, and then like ten

758
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 4: minutes later, came back with another outfit on as if

759
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 4: as if it were nothing, and yeah, that was the

760
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 4: strangest ship to me. So he's going to get you

761
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 4: your your newest album. Okay, now you this this is

762
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 4: produced by From the first of all, I hear a

763
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 4: lot about Memphis, Tennessee. Brian Danger Mouse himself has try

764
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 4: to sell me on how amazing it is in Tennessee

765
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 4: and how there's a music community down there and how

766
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 4: there's all this, you know, the songwriting community and musicianship

767
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 4: and studios and vintage studios.

768
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, why why the the move to record in Tennessee.

769
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 5: Well it's Nashville actually, and uh he we befriended each

770
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 5: other because they they came and supported us and checked

771
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 5: out the show. One year we were doing south By

772
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 5: Southwest in Austin, Texas, and that's how we befriended the

773
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 5: Black Kids. And then and then shortly thereafter, uh, Danger

774
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 5: ended up producing their album Brothers Alone. Uh you know,

775
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 5: so that he produced that album with them or for

776
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 5: them or something like that. So anyway, I ended up

777
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 5: bumping into him some years later in London. We both

778
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 5: were performing on Jules Holland if you're familiar, Yeah, so

779
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 5: we were doing that and we exchanged numbers because his

780
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 5: set was so cool. He had this all female mariachi

781
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 5: band and I was like, great, yes, I befriended them too,

782
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So so with that, then

783
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,479
Speaker 5: he reached out to me maybe like you know, six

784
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 5: months or four months something later, and just asked me

785
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 5: to come to Nashville, you know, to write, he said,

786
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 5: He said, I really I appreciate you as a songwriter,

787
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, and maybe we can get together,

788
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 5: get in the room, collaborate on some stuff. And you

789
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 5: know that's basically you know, the gist of it. And

790
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 5: then I said, okay, cool, this is this is damn

791
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 5: from the black kids. I mean, like I dig them.

792
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 5: You know. You know, the time was right, I was available.

793
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 5: You know, it's a thirty minute flight from Atlanta. I

794
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 5: was like cool. I mean, like, so I went and

795
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 5: it was strange because I wasn't really sure, like you know,

796
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 5: but you know, everybody was there at it.

797
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: You know.

798
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 5: Check in was like eleven o'clock in the morning, of

799
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 5: which I've never recorded anything that early in the day,

800
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like, you know, so I'm like, okay,

801
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 5: eleven o'clock. But we will only go from like eleven

802
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 5: to four, you know what I'm saying, eleven to four

803
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 5: or five. And I didn't understand, you know what I mean,

804
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 5: And I kind of was getting a little little irritated

805
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 5: with it for the first few days. I'm like, I

806
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 5: don't really know what's going on. We just kind of,

807
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 5: you know, so we would sit around the table and

808
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 5: you know, of writing songs and recording voice memos into

809
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 5: the phone and you know, with either with a ukulele

810
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 5: or an acoustic guitar or warletton, you know. So you know,

811
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 5: it was really quaint, you know, I mean, like you

812
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 5: know and simple, you know, country living. What was the approach,

813
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 5: you know, and so so over the over six months,

814
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 5: I would make maybe like a week about four weeks total,

815
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 5: so maybe like a month out of the six months.

816
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 5: I went and sat and went down there for a

817
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 5: week and I asked him, I said, yo, I said

818
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 5: what I said? What I said, what's what eleven o'clock

819
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 5: in the day, And like, I said that like the

820
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 5: magic hour or like what's that? Then he was like no,

821
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 5: he said, well, all of these musicians, man, you know,

822
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 5: they're in there the seventies. You know what I mean,

823
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 5: he said, so like you know, he said, man, he said,

824
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 5: they're quite frankly man, like you know, they like to

825
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 5: be done early. And uh, you know, I kind of

826
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 5: got to, you know, need to try to get as

827
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 5: much as I can get out of them. Man, you know,

828
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 5: we don't have them forever, I'm saying. I was like, God, damn,

829
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that because I didn't really realize who

830
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 5: they were, because he didn't really give me any disclaimer

831
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 5: that in his mind he was recording the greatest soul

832
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 5: album of all time on se Lo Green. You know,

833
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,959
Speaker 5: so he only told me that he wanted to write songs.

834
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 5: So I'm thinking, I'm like, yeah, we're gonna get some

835
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 5: of this country music money and blah blah blah. You know,

836
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 5: I'm thinking of it like I'm thinking of it like that,

837
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 5: you know. And and again I was again at another

838
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 5: point in my career where like, I don't want to

839
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 5: be I'm tired of being Selo Green. I just kind

840
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 5: of want to be me. I mean, like you know,

841
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 5: like you know, I'm older, I'm an older statesman, you know,

842
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 5: you know, I want to be refined in a way

843
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 5: of where now you know, I could just go by

844
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 5: my name. So I had contemplated doing the Prince and

845
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 5: not being referred to as Selo Green anymore. I'm like,

846
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 5: I'll just be I just be Calaway and said, look

847
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 5: the way that my granddaddy was called, like you know,

848
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 5: I mean Thomas Caliway, I said, because you know, it's

849
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 5: about legacy. Now, anything I do from this point on

850
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 5: is about legacy. And you know the legacy isn't last name,

851
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So I've been telling press

852
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 5: that Thomas Calloway writes the songs that CeeLo Green sings.

853
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 5: So I only went as Thomas Callaway to be a writer.

854
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 5: And then so that last week he said, hey, man,

855
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 5: I was thinking, you know, we've got some good ideas.

856
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 5: You know, you think maybe you could come back and maybe,

857
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 5: like you know, cut cut a few of them, just

858
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 5: kind of see how your voice sounds on him. And

859
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, that's not really what we discussed,

860
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 5: but I'm like, cool, you know, I'll sing them. And

861
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 5: I'm saying, you know, why not. You know, I mean,

862
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 5: I went down and unbeannoys to me. He's got a

863
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 5: studio full of all of these great legendary Nashville muscle shows,

864
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 5: you know, musicians who played on all of this wonderful music,

865
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And I really didn't know

866
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 5: because he didn't give me any disclaimer you know, about

867
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 5: who they were, nor did he give me a disclaimer

868
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 5: about that he was secretly recording an album on me.

869
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 4: David Rode, Bobby Wood, you know, I know Bobby Wood

870
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 4: played on Chris Yeah exactly stuff and uh yeah, Russ

871
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 4: yeah as well.

872
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 5: Yep, yep, yep. So so with that, you know, that

873
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 5: was my first time recording with charts. So I was

874
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 5: I was familiar with all of the songs that we

875
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 5: had written over the last three weeks, you know, but

876
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 5: I had never sung them besides those kind of voice

877
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 5: references you know, in his phone. But you know, he

878
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 5: had went and printed out sheet music, I mean, charts

879
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 5: and everything. I mean, like, so by the time I

880
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 5: got there, you know, I'm looking at the songs, I'm like, okay,

881
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 5: look I remember this one. And then so I got

882
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,479
Speaker 5: one eye on the on the paper, the lyrics sheet,

883
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 5: and then I got one eye on watching them play

884
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 5: it all down flawlessly, you know what I mean. So

885
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 5: it gave me my disposition was really humbled. You know,

886
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 5: as opposed to going in there with any airs or

887
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 5: any ego. I mean, so, like, you know, this album

888
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 5: is completely unpretentious. That's why I like it so much,

889
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So it's basically like Dan,

890
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 5: our best gift to me.

891
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: So you made it down without knowing you were making

892
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: a record.

893
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I recorded that album in two days because

894
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 5: I just sung the songs we had. It was just

895
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 5: like do I wish I could do everything like that?

896
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 3: Man?

897
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you always about Straight Bullets. That's

898
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 6: one of my favorite projects of yours.

899
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 5: Man, come on, bro, you knowing about that?

900
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: Come on man? You singing over the Stero ship the like, dude,

901
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: man talk about that? What was record?

902
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 5: I was just talking to my management. I said, like, yo,

903
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 5: I need to re release Straight Bullets.

904
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 6: Yes, like people didn't hear it, okay, So what it

905
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 6: was where I found out that Zelo I mean that

906
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 6: see that, uh, that Kujo could play the sacks because

907
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 6: you had him.

908
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 3: Anymore?

909
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 5: Well, I got I got to ruin it for you

910
00:48:50,840 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 5: because I was just teasing. I said that because at

911
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 5: that time, you know, we were kind of all estranged

912
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 5: from each other, and Kujo was just dealing with the accident,

913
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Yeah, So I just was

914
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 5: I was loving on him in that way who's wild

915
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 5: sack sy'all, you know what I'm saying. So I went

916
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 5: to London to do Lady Killer, that record, you know,

917
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 5: and it was all of this northern blue eyed soul,

918
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, the kind of like sold

919
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 5: by numbers. I didn't particularly enjoy it, nor did I

920
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 5: really you know, did I think it was good?

921
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 3: I mean, like you know, but the biggest hits came

922
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: from it.

923
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 5: No, absolutely, No, I was wrong.

924
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: I was totally wrong, by the way, like like, what

925
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: was the impetus of that? You just said? I got

926
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 3: a great song type of fuck you, and the label

927
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 3: was like, yes, we see it, this is a hit.

928
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 5: Okay, now I'm gonna tell you. I wanna tell you

929
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 5: about that too, so check this out, all right. So

930
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 5: I tell the first story. You know, I was trying

931
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 5: were recorded for like three years trying to get that record,

932
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And I had done all

933
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 5: of that stuff. So when I was like straight bullets,

934
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 5: I got that idea from a a Devo album called

935
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 5: Greatest Missus instead of Greatest Hits. You know what I'm saying.

936
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 5: And Straight Bullets was just like, Yo, I'm just gonna

937
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 5: bust these off, you know, like and they hit somebody.

938
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. You feel me? But I

939
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 5: had I had done a lot of music and I

940
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 5: really wasn't getting that. I wasn't having it reciprocated. I mean,

941
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 5: like by the label the way that I wanted. And

942
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 5: I'm just like, damn, y'all ain't fucking with none of this.

943
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 5: And so I put that mixtape out to spike them

944
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 5: of all of that material because it was the last

945
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 5: album it was supposedly you know at that time with Atlantic,

946
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, But they ended up kicking

947
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 5: up the option. I ended up doing one more album

948
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 5: with them, heart Blunch. So I just said like, well, yo,

949
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 5: I mean like I just do a mixtape and I

950
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 5: just leaked it. You know what I'm saying. You feel me?

951
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 5: And that's why I didn't really get any kind of

952
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 5: That's why I'm surprised you even mentioning it. But Tyler,

953
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 5: the creator loves it too, you know what I mean, Like,

954
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 5: that's one of the dopest projects I ever did. So

955
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 5: I found all of this public domain library music, you

956
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 5: know what I mean, like to why it wasn't really

957
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 5: you can really have any copyright in friends with like

958
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 5: causes and something like that. So I just did songs

959
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 5: to that stuff, and just you know, they're just amusing myself,

960
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 5: no different than I put out a project called TV

961
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 5: on the radio to.

962
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 3: The ship you sung over the Peanuts thing.

963
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 5: I love that your quest I'll send it to you man,

964
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 5: Like you know, some of it is out there like

965
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 5: on YouTube, but they snatched it down because of course

966
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 5: you know, I didn't clear it or nothing like that.

967
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 5: And I'm saying, like it was just ingenious, you know

968
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 5: what I mean. Like I just and sometimes I have

969
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 5: to almost like that's my little sparring match with myself

970
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 5: to kind of get something out before I try to,

971
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 5: you know, be so subservient to what they you know,

972
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 5: all of the many cooks in the kitchen with the

973
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 5: major label ship, Like I didn't enjoy it. So I'm

974
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 5: much happier, you know, being an independent artist again. Last

975
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 5: time I was independent, you know, Narls and don't you

976
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 5: and all that kind of stuff came from being able

977
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 5: to have enough space, you know what I mean, like

978
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 5: to do what I want to do.

979
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: What happened with the record.

980
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 6: So you had a project, You had a bunch of

981
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 6: other side projects that I won't ask you about. You

982
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 6: had the heart Attack, a heart attack heart Attack with

983
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 6: Jack Splash, but then the Jazzy Faye record.

984
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 3: The I had it. It was the Happy Hour, had

985
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: the joint to enjoy yourself with you, Jazzy and Nate Dog.

986
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, look that project is. I love that album so much.

987
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 3: I told him them today.

988
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 8: I called and I said, you like yo, since everybody

989
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 8: is going on zoom and ship, I said, like, let's.

990
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 5: Do Let's go on and call it out the Happy

991
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 5: Hour and just play the unreleased album. You know what

992
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 5: I mean we're supposed to do. He might he may

993
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 5: still be up for it, but we didn't do it.

994
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 5: But anyway, I'll tell you what happened with that. I

995
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 5: was recording that at the same time as I was

996
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 5: recording Narles Barkley.

997
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 3: Oh okay.

998
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 5: So he had to deal with Capitol Records. That was

999
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 5: supposed to be for a solo album with him or

1000
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 5: accompliation album Jazzy Fair and Friends. And then we met

1001
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 5: up in Miami and we did a couple of songs.

1002
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 5: He was like, oh, shit, like, no, this is the

1003
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 5: this is the move. So he switched it out and said,

1004
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 5: like now I'm gonna do a Selo you know, Me

1005
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 5: and Celo album or this, that and the third. So

1006
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 5: the album is so dope, it still holds up even

1007
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 5: after all of these years. But what he did was,

1008
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 5: you know, we recorded it all just at our leisure,

1009
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 5: but we never signed it. We never signed a deal

1010
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 5: for it, you know what I mean, Like, you know,

1011
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 5: by the time we had a whole album done, we

1012
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 5: wanted a promo tour, We did sol trained, we shot

1013
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 5: a video, you know, but we never signed a deal.

1014
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 5: And but and so, so I'm going across the street.

1015
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 5: I'm leaving those sessions like going to see see Danger

1016
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 5: Mouse for a couple of hours, you know. And I

1017
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 5: always get a little get a little irritated with it because,

1018
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 5: like you know, after a while, you want to go

1019
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 5: into it optimistically and diplomatically, but like you know, sometimes

1020
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 5: I'm just like like yo, like I don't know what

1021
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 5: I'm saying. You feel me like, you know, I don't

1022
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 5: want to you know whatever I mean.

1023
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 3: Like, So that was that.

1024
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 5: But when when Narlsbrocky hit because it remember it just

1025
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 5: hit all of a sudden, it was like boom, and

1026
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,959
Speaker 5: then they had they had to shelf the project because

1027
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 5: it was no deal, you know what I mean, Like

1028
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 5: and quite frankly, it just couldn't compare. I mean like

1029
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 5: that now to ask a question about fuck you? All right,

1030
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 5: So what happened was when I was in La, I

1031
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 5: recorded Lady Killer in Miami, La and London. They gave

1032
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 5: me a blank check to do whatever I wanted to

1033
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 5: do after crazy. So I was everywhere trying to get

1034
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 5: that record and we ended up getting it, you know

1035
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 5: what saying. Like, So Mike Karen introduced me to who's

1036
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 5: now known famously as Bruno Mars. At the time, they

1037
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 5: were introduce to me as Phil and Bruno. That was

1038
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 5: how they were kind of circulating. Phil Lawrence was his

1039
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 5: writing partner at that time, you know what I mean.

1040
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 5: So I was working at night Bird Studios at the

1041
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 5: Sunset Marquis in LA. They came over and I'm like,

1042
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 5: what's up, you know what I mean? Like, you know,

1043
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 5: I didn't really know them, I didn't know what they did,

1044
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 5: and I just was kind of let them hear some

1045
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 5: of the stuff that I was working on. My brother.

1046
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 5: They're like you know, maybe you could try this. So

1047
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 5: this sir, blah blah blah, I'm like, man, who the

1048
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 5: fuck is yall that sound like? You?

1049
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 3: See?

1050
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 5: So I told him, I said, you know what, bro,

1051
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,439
Speaker 5: I'd be right back. I'm gonna good, I'm i gotta

1052
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 5: use restroom. So I went upstairs to the room and

1053
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 5: I just never came back. And I just left him

1054
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 5: in the studio. And I've said, I've said this a

1055
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 5: couple of times because I was being really rude. I

1056
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 5: didn't really know. I didn't know them, I didn't know

1057
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 5: them to respect them. But but then we rectified that

1058
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 5: we got back together. Brue had a lot of love

1059
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 5: for me, and you know, kind of looked at me

1060
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 5: as a mentor. And if you guys pay attention, you

1061
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 5: will realize that, you know, he was kind of built

1062
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 5: off of my back. You know what I'm saying. You know,

1063
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 5: because you know he wrote just the way that you

1064
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 5: are for me? Well, yeah, because I didn't. I didn't,

1065
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 5: you know, I didn't. I didn't think it was for me,

1066
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 5: but but I didn't see it for me, no different

1067
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 5: than you know, he started to fuck you. And then

1068
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 5: we we ultimately, you know, me and Phil came in

1069
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 5: because he had to the the're the session, and we

1070
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 5: went over and saying like, yo, I got this idea.

1071
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 5: He said, Man, you know it's a little little crazy,

1072
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 5: but just bear with me. And it was like, you know,

1073
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 5: it was just a hook. I see you driving around

1074
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 5: time with the good I love and I'm like fuck you,

1075
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 5: and I'm like okay, But see, at that time, this

1076
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 5: is bring straight bullets back into the conversation. At this time,

1077
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 5: I was trying to piss this three years later and

1078
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, I can't get no satisfaction. I'm so

1079
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 5: ready to say fuck you to the label, to everybody.

1080
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 5: So to me, fuck you was essentially a protest song

1081
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 5: to the label. You know what I mean?

1082
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 3: I thought it was.

1083
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 5: I thought it was ridiculous enough for them to drop me.

1084
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 5: That's why I was so enthusiastic. It was. Can I

1085
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 5: tell y'all how quick it worked, bro, I'm gonna tell you.

1086
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 5: We had to go to London to do some fucking

1087
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 5: promo or something. They and I think you may have

1088
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 5: been the first song to introduce lyric sheets with printing

1089
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 5: out the lyrics at the with the music. I had

1090
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 5: never seen it. Yeah, so so with that I think.

1091
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 5: I want to say it was the first one, Brom.

1092
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 5: You know, I'm not tripping, but but.

1093
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 6: It came, it came fast, and it came so fast, Bro,

1094
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 6: it came like okay, so we had to get on

1095
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 6: a plane and go to London.

1096
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 5: By the time we landed in London, it was a hit.

1097
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 3: Wow.

1098
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 5: So that's eight hours. So like basically like in eight hours,

1099
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 5: that ship was a hit.

1100
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 6: When you talk about songs that you you know that

1101
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 6: you didn't think were for you, is there a version

1102
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 6: of you singing happy but for real?

1103
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 5: It is? Okay? So we were you know.

1104
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, my homie Amir a mere Wyndham, he was working

1105
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 3: with for other time.

1106
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 6: But I heard that I wasn't heard that it was

1107
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 6: originally Pharrell wrote it for you, and so I always

1108
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 6: wondered if if there was a version of you singing

1109
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 6: it of a reference or whatever.

1110
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 5: I tell you the story man Pharrell been friends and collaboratives,

1111
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 5: collaborators for a long time.

1112
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was on the second album, he was on

1113
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 3: the on the Machine so with that, he he.

1114
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 5: Was doing Despicable Me Too. And I was in the

1115
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 5: Bahamas in Eluthra recording heart Blunch. That's I think Lenny

1116
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 5: Kravitz owns that island because he was there. He came

1117
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 5: by the house.

1118
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I know he lives there.

1119
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 5: I don't know if he owns it, but so we

1120
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 5: was there and he came down on his own dime,

1121
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 5: you know, to to kick it and be a part

1122
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 5: of it. And he played it for me, and you

1123
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 5: know me, it was just he played for me with

1124
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 5: the disclaimer that it was about to be a part

1125
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 5: of a Disney Pixar movie, you know what I mean, Like,

1126
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 5: you know, I wasn't really I didn't see it like

1127
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 5: for what it became. But there is a version of

1128
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 5: where I sang it, you know, and the and the

1129
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 5: version that you hear is the demo that he made

1130
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 5: basically his emulation of my voice.

1131
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 2: You know.

1132
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 5: So I don't know if I sound like that, but

1133
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 5: maybe I do, maybe, you know whatever. So yeah, we

1134
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 5: got that version. Yeah, but I said, you know, in

1135
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 5: the press, I was just like, I know that for

1136
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 5: real has had a you know, some solo success as

1137
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 5: an artist, but you know, mainly as a producer. But

1138
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 5: for what that record ultimately end up becoming, I'm like,

1139
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 5: you know, and he was about to be generous enough

1140
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 5: to give that record away, I said, So I believe

1141
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 5: that that's the universe rewarding his selflessness, you know what

1142
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 5: I'm saying, you know, because he was you know, he

1143
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 5: was definitely pushing forward for to be my record and

1144
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 5: the late. But the politics behind it, I tell you,

1145
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 5: Atlanta Records they wouldn't clear it for whatever reason. I

1146
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 5: think because we were about to go with another single,

1147
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 5: and you know, I think Despicable Me wanted single rights

1148
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 5: for it at the time, and they didn't want it

1149
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 5: to conflict. So you know that it was logical their decision,

1150
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 5: but of course you can't you can't win them all,

1151
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like, and that's really what happened,

1152
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And so I guess he

1153
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 5: decided to just put it out and then it kind

1154
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 5: of you know, it worked as a record on the soundtrack,

1155
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 5: But then I guess when he shot I think he

1156
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 5: said when he shot the visual, that's when the record

1157
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 5: it came.

1158
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 6: That's when because he had had and then he had

1159
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 6: people all over like the world kind of doing it like.

1160
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 3: Twenty four hour video that's for our joint. Yeah yeah, man,

1161
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 3: yo yo, it was a record. I wanted to ask

1162
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 3: you that is the ship record that.

1163
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 5: Had been mine. Oh by the way, you think so,

1164
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 5: it would.

1165
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:27,479
Speaker 3: Have been over killed.

1166
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 5: It would have been oh thank you.

1167
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: I wanted to hear that much happiness from se Loan.

1168
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 5: They would have hated me.

1169
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 3: I knew it.

1170
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 5: I knew. I'm so glad. I'm so glad. I just

1171
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 5: remember to say that I said, I said, I'm glad

1172
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 5: it's not mine. I said, that's his record, that's his record.

1173
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 2: The things that Pharrell had to do around that record,

1174
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 2: like the promo, the stage that he had, I was.

1175
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 3: Like, he was a lot, a lot.

1176
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 5: I'm sure he probably doesn't enjoy doing that record to

1177
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 5: this day. I'm sure he.

1178
01:01:58,680 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 3: Record.

1179
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 6: Yo, man, tell us about the record you did with

1180
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 6: it just came out. I think like last year intentions

1181
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 6: you big boy and uh sleepy.

1182
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 3: Man. Dude, all right, I need more of that. I

1183
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 3: love that fucking song.

1184
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 5: Okay, so check this out. We were all in the room,

1185
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 5: the entire Dungeon Family, dre three thousand included. You know,

1186
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 5: he was about to come on board to do another

1187
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 5: Dungeon Family album and we were going to do it.

1188
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 5: But exactly we were even like fingers crossed, Like really,

1189
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 5: Trey so after that, La read and everybody we want

1190
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 5: to do LA read and hit call. So I'm telling,

1191
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 5: I'm telling. I'm telling this story for the first time.

1192
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 5: So we were all that everybody's there, you know, and

1193
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 5: so just to you know, on good faith, you know,

1194
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 5: after La left the meeting, you know, Ray organized started

1195
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 5: pulling up some tracks like we all at the studio,

1196
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 5: we all up at stink only you like playing some tracks.

1197
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,919
Speaker 5: And I said, oh, what's that like the Stueper Brown

1198
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 5: said me yo? He said, actually, I got a I

1199
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 5: already got come like a little idea today that he

1200
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 5: got in my ear, like yo.

1201
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 8: Right, So I said, okay, I said, I like that.

1202
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 8: I said, like I said, let me let me, let

1203
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 8: me let me dance with you on it.

1204
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 5: Know what I'm saying.

1205
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 8: That said, I got I got something someone going to

1206
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,439
Speaker 8: just just rock real quick. So just off the top

1207
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 8: of the head because it felt like loose ends.

1208
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 3: To me, you know what I mean, cold blooded by

1209
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 3: Rick James like that, right.

1210
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 5: So that's how I ended up having those two parts

1211
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 5: on there. I had the uh, the top part and

1212
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 5: then the end verse. Yeah, we but we thought that

1213
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,479
Speaker 5: it would probably just kind of it was a little

1214
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 5: instant to for the Dungeon Family project. I'm saying, like,

1215
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 5: you know, but Sleepy Brown and Big Boy were working

1216
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,959
Speaker 5: on the project simultaneously called The Big Sleepover at the time,

1217
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 5: and that's where that's where the original idea came from.

1218
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 5: So all of a sudden in days times, you're like, yo,

1219
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 5: were gonna shoot the vehicle to make this to say,

1220
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 5: I'm like really, I'm like, then we've just sucking around.

1221
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 5: But I'm like, but okay, I'm glad y'all like it.

1222
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 5: And that's kind of where it came from. And then

1223
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 5: we were we were we were slated to do the

1224
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 5: Dungeon Family album. But then again, you know, I think

1225
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 5: Drake ended up having to go off and film It's

1226
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 5: a show that he's that he's.

1227
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 3: Doing dispatches from everywhere.

1228
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, they kind of that took the It kind

1229
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 5: of took the win out of the sales. I gotta

1230
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 5: say that.

1231
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 2: But he was already slated to do it, you know

1232
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, the Sleepy Brown understand that people want

1233
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 2: more to be Brown in their life. Does he really

1234
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 2: understand that? Like because he put that one album out

1235
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: and maybe he didn't get the response he wanted, but

1236
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 2: like people fucking love Sleepy Brown.

1237
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 5: No, for sure, he's a leisend man. Like you know,

1238
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 5: he's he's a part of so many iconic things. Pretending

1239
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 5: to Goodie I mean, excuse me, pretending to dungeon like you.

1240
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 5: I mean, like that's big grow what I mean, Like,

1241
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 5: you know, I loved it. But he's one of my

1242
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 5: close friends.

1243
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 2: But he just needs to know tell him the people

1244
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 2: want it. I'm just saying I'm.

1245
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 5: Gonna tell you, I'm gonna let him know.

1246
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right.

1247
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 4: I'm going to tread on very careful ground with this

1248
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 4: last question, okay, because this is sort of a comeback

1249
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 4: for you, and yes, not to mention, I guess the

1250
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 4: motif of your life is kind of series of second

1251
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 4: chances or another chance or another you know, like you

1252
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 4: escaping situations because we live in a time right now

1253
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 4: with what's going on in the world today, and you know,

1254
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 4: we live in the era of cancel culture. Yes, and

1255
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 4: it's almost it's almost like what it seems is though,

1256
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 4: Like I guess the idea of cancel culture is like, well,

1257
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 4: you can never come back or you can never redeem yourself,

1258
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 4: where you could never return to your your prominence to

1259
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 4: what it once was.

1260
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 3: How are you able to navigate the last ten years

1261
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 3: of your life?

1262
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 4: Just in terms of because usually when when a person

1263
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 4: has to go through that process, and it's a nightmare,

1264
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 4: Like even now, I wake up every morning at five

1265
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 4: am just to look at trending top is to make

1266
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 4: sure I'm not on that list, Like.

1267
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 3: No, because I'm thinking, like this, is there an interview

1268
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 3: I did? Is something that you know? And I know

1269
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 3: you know, but that's literally how you.

1270
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 4: Know I'm not exaggerating when I'll say at least five

1271
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 4: times a day, I gotta.

1272
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 3: Check this to make sure, Okay, no, I got you,

1273
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 3: I got you good, got you so and.

1274
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 4: And and it's and it's stressful and it's stressful, but

1275
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 4: it's it's very real.

1276
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 3: How are you how are you able.

1277
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 4: To navigate your life in the last ten years with

1278
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 4: your loved ones, with your family, with yourself.

1279
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 3: To get to this place? Like what have you learned

1280
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 3: in the last ten years?

1281
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 5: I've learned the circumstance of celebrity and fame and fortune.

1282
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 5: All of these things are very fragile and precious. You know,

1283
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 5: it must be handled with care and consideration and cognizance

1284
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 5: that I mean, And so it is an intoxicating experience

1285
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 5: all throughout, especially to succeed in that space. And it's

1286
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 5: a surreal it's a surreal experience, and you know, it

1287
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 5: could be dizzying, and you can oversite things that are

1288
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 5: you know, or things that could very well possibly put

1289
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 5: you in commiser positions, you know, because you know, famous

1290
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 5: celebrity is a compromising position, you know what I mean.

1291
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 5: That's what that's what it qualifies as you know. What

1292
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 5: I've learned, you know, over the last several to ten

1293
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 5: years is to be still, you know what I mean, Like,

1294
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 5: you know, I reconnected, you know, with community. I reconnected

1295
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:32,600
Speaker 5: with the these social conscious themes and and aspects of

1296
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 5: myself that were purifying and refining, you know, and I

1297
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 5: realized that success had taken me so far away from

1298
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 5: those things. You know, I spend an awful lot of time.

1299
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 5: But my son, you know what I mean, Like you know,

1300
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 5: I'm I'm really making up for a lot of lost

1301
01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 5: time with him because you know, soils he's nineteen, wow man, Yeah,

1302
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 5: you know, so the spoil, the spoils of success, you

1303
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 5: can share in the wealth, you know what I mean,

1304
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:15,879
Speaker 5: Like monetarily materially, you know, but it does not equate

1305
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 5: to tangible time, you know what I mean. And so

1306
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 5: I just got close to family, I got close to

1307
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 5: calls uh philanthropists, you know, philanthropy and charity, and associated

1308
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 5: myself with different causes that I was passionate about, and

1309
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 5: started to lose sight of myself uh or the or

1310
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 5: share the celebrity skin, you know what I'm saying, and

1311
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 5: give myself away to those things that I deemed to

1312
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 5: be greater than what I had even accomplished, because you know,

1313
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 5: it's not it's not an end all, be all to

1314
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,600
Speaker 5: be alone, you know what I'm saying, Like to be

1315
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 5: you know, accomplished, or the loan and alienated, you know

1316
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like I did not. I did not

1317
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 5: start out on this journey to look back and no

1318
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 5: one be there and no one to share it with,

1319
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. If anything, if anything, I

1320
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:20,480
Speaker 5: had experienced, you know, far too much alienation as an adolescent,

1321
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 5: and the music was a way to express and and

1322
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 5: make and make myself relative, to connect to people, to

1323
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,440
Speaker 5: be to finally be counted as a part of a collective,

1324
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like or a community and

1325
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 5: belong you know, you know what I'm saying, because I

1326
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 5: wouldn't really make me feel like that as a kid. Yeah,

1327
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So I just I just

1328
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 5: reconnected with those things and was really and and and

1329
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,839
Speaker 5: if you know, like even with we mentioned beautiful skin earlier,

1330
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, like in a way that

1331
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 5: that was effective in Philly. It's like I was really

1332
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 5: expecting people to know me and know my history and

1333
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,719
Speaker 5: where I'm coming from and know that like I don't

1334
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 5: got nothing but love in my heart and decency, you

1335
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, and humanity and humility. I'm one

1336
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 5: of the most well rounded and grounded people you'll ever meet.

1337
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,520
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like loving and generous and selfless.

1338
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 5: You know what I mean. And I could only hope

1339
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 5: that it translates in song. You know what I mean,

1340
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 5: Like you know, and then I'll go in the extra

1341
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 5: mile what I mean, like you know, for good measure

1342
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 5: to make sure you know that I'm under the skin.

1343
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 5: I mean, like you know of those that you know

1344
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 5: to whom it may concern, I mean, like all of

1345
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 5: my music has just been a love letter to those

1346
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 5: to whom it may concern, you know what I mean.

1347
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 5: So I'm glad for and I'm very fortunate for it

1348
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 5: to start off as a you know, pretty much a

1349
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 5: black nationalist, you know what I mean, Like damn near

1350
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 5: borderline racist, you know what I'm saying, Like with goodie mob,

1351
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Yes, you know what I'm saying,

1352
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 5: you know, but to ultimately uh evolve into a you know,

1353
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 5: that universal appeal, you know what I mean, Like you know,

1354
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:14,440
Speaker 5: like and I'm telling you it's not it's it's almost impossible,

1355
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 5: you know, to to fake it, like to you know,

1356
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 5: to fake that. Then. So like with these audiences that

1357
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 5: I've encountered and that I've acquired, you know what I mean,

1358
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 5: like your.

1359
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 2: Good you feel like your goodie mob audience holds you

1360
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 2: accountable for things in a way because probably the Noll

1361
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 2: Barkley audiences a you got different audience.

1362
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, the thing, the thing of it was I

1363
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 5: just should have just dealt with I should have just

1364
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 5: worked in double shifts like that's that's kind of That's

1365
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 5: kind of what I was meaning earlier when I said

1366
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 5: I had to go out into the world and supply

1367
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,759
Speaker 5: that large demand. You're talking about I could have moved

1368
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 5: to London. If you go to London, you know all

1369
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 5: they gonna all you're gonna hear is you know, from

1370
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 5: everything from Amy wine House to Edda James on just

1371
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 5: regular radio and not even categorized like all in one mix.

1372
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 5: It's just like open format radio. Chus knows I'm right,

1373
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 5: he knows I'm telling the truth. So so I love it.

1374
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 5: I loved it it in London. And when I got

1375
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,440
Speaker 5: there and I got a chance to spend a considerable

1376
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 5: amount of time there, I understood why they loved me.

1377
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 5: And I said, God damn it, like this is where

1378
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 5: I belong. And I heard Lenny Kravitt say years ago

1379
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 5: in an interview, he said, Man, like I know that

1380
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 5: I've accomplished a great deal. He said, but if there's

1381
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 5: any one thing that I can say that I truly

1382
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 5: wanted that would make me happy is to make music

1383
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,520
Speaker 5: that my own people. And I'm saying I can appreciate,

1384
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And that's what I felt like,

1385
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 5: I mean, like because when it was time to be black,

1386
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Like, you know, I felt

1387
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 5: like I would me goodie mob, you know, beautiful skin,

1388
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 5: I feel like we was making the blackest music you

1389
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 5: can make.

1390
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 2: I was about to say, but don't you feel like

1391
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 2: you had that privilege over Lenny in a way because

1392
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 2: you usher in your goodie mob audience to everything that

1393
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 2: you did. Everybody didn't come, but a lot of people did,

1394
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 2: which is the difference between you and Lenny in that way, right,

1395
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 2: because they have no audience evolved with you.

1396
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,560
Speaker 5: It's true, it wasn't. It wasn't a definitive separation of

1397
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 5: church and state. It was a bridge between church and state.

1398
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I'm fortunate for that.

1399
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 5: I'm very fortunate for that. So it's no different than

1400
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 5: fuck You is the leadoff single. But I got two

1401
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,759
Speaker 5: Grammys for Food for You with Melandy.

1402
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1403
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 5: That's the big homie salam Remy, you know what I'm saying.

1404
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 5: So the way back album started it was it was

1405
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 5: it's supposed to be my big black R and B record,

1406
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 5: Fuck you bodies, Uh, you know, food for You and

1407
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 5: I get some of the stuff that you heard on

1408
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 5: you know, That's that's what it would have been like,

1409
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. But again, I don't have

1410
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 5: any regrets in retrospect because like it all worked out

1411
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 5: so well, you know what I mean, And I and

1412
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 5: even questions to to to cap off the question, you know,

1413
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 5: like even with everything that I've been doing through you

1414
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 5: know what I mean, like, you know, good, bad, and indifferent,

1415
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 5: I have very few complaints something like because there's truly

1416
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 5: no testimony without the test.

1417
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 2: Not even marriage boot camp what about.

1418
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 5: Well, you know what, guess what though, Marriage boot Camp

1419
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 5: was almost kind of like a re entry point for me,

1420
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 5: and people got a chance to see me, you know,

1421
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 5: in a light that they had not them saying like

1422
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,679
Speaker 5: you know, like you know me domestically and with my woman.

1423
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 5: Like you know, I'm gonna say this straight up to y'all,

1424
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 5: like you know, there was a period of time when

1425
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 5: people maybe I was gay or something, you know what

1426
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 5: I'm saying, you know, like because of the outfits and

1427
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 5: the wigs and you know, stuff like that.

1428
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 2: The over masculinity of hip hopa yeah, over massiminization of

1429
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 2: hip hop, yes.

1430
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 5: But.

1431
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,719
Speaker 6: A little bit a little bit no, I mean because

1432
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 6: it's well, I mean for starters, I never thought that

1433
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 6: Selo was gay, you know what I mean.

1434
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 3: But to me, when I saw the big outfits, it

1435
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 3: was just like you know, it was like you know,

1436
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 3: earth wind and fire.

1437
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 2: With different people. He might have had a moment like

1438
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 2: what the fuck that ain't you know, but see the

1439
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 2: thing of.

1440
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 5: It was, it was just like people. And that's the

1441
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 5: love and affinity people have for Goodie Mom and that

1442
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 5: era of my career. And it's like, you know, they

1443
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,520
Speaker 5: ain't letting that ship go easily because we were affected.

1444
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 5: We touched people, and that's why, you know, that's why

1445
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 5: I always return to it, you know what I mean?

1446
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 5: Like I could never I could never sleep easy, arrest well,

1447
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 5: and letting any any any of my extended family down.

1448
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 5: I got to just do it all, you know what

1449
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 5: I'm saying. And that goes back to what I was

1450
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 5: saying basically, like I just the only thing I didn't

1451
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 5: do right is just work double ships. Make sure that

1452
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 5: both sides of the brain what tended to and both

1453
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 5: sides of the spectrum were satisfied. You know what I'm saying.

1454
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 5: You know, because I got so overwhelmed and preoccupied with

1455
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 5: such a big deal on one side of it that

1456
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 5: it just took the scale one way. And that's what

1457
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 5: happened with me.

1458
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 2: Well from a family sectim, I'm gonna tell you. We

1459
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 2: just happy to hear that you admit to that, like

1460
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 2: that's the absolute Oh, I was just was.

1461
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 3: That an alienating time for you?

1462
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 6: Like how like when you have an incident and then

1463
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 6: you know everyone is just you know, you kind of

1464
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 6: go through the cancel culture thing when you're by yourself,

1465
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 6: you know what's going through your mind like during all

1466
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 6: of that.

1467
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 5: To be totally honest, I mean, you know, I didn't

1468
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 5: really it was embarrassing what I'm saying. Like, you know,

1469
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:49,640
Speaker 5: I mean like I wasn't completely overwhelmed because I was innocent.

1470
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 3: For one, and what I'm saying you feel me, gotcha.

1471
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 5: But I was always you know, I was humbled and

1472
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 5: appreciative for such a grounding experience, you know what I mean. Like,

1473
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 5: and I just felt I just felt renewed in my

1474
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:14,600
Speaker 5: faith in feeling like, Okay, I have deliberately and intentionally

1475
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 5: done the good I have done, you know, I mean, uh,

1476
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:25,719
Speaker 5: to guarantee in some regard, you know, I mean a victory,

1477
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 5: a greater victory in my personal life and professional life,

1478
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 5: and be a means of motivation and inspiration and other

1479
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 5: people of whom are my passion and whom I care

1480
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 5: about what I'm saying, you feel me more so than myself,

1481
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. I you know, that's why

1482
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 5: I said I was all willing to die a revolutionary

1483
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 5: because I wouldn't given my life.

1484
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 8: I did not I didn't value my own life in

1485
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 8: that way I value you know, I'm saying, the legacy

1486
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 8: of a people, you know what I mean, Like you

1487
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 8: feel me dis enfranchised? I mean like you know, and

1488
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 8: I just felt like those things that were put on

1489
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 8: my heart and on my spirit to speak on, you know,

1490
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 8: and and the fact just the real fact that I

1491
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:05,679
Speaker 8: was being affected and people.

1492
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 5: Were listening, and people were being changed because of it.

1493
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 5: You know. I felt like you know, when my when

1494
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 5: my my mothers and fathers, the associate pastors would say

1495
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 5: to me as a child, you're going to be a minister.

1496
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 5: You know. I felt like prophecy was coming to pass

1497
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 5: because of music, you know what I'm saying. So I

1498
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 5: felt like I was doing Yeah, I felt like I

1499
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 5: was doing what I was always meant to do, you

1500
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like you know, I just wanted,

1501
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 5: you know, I wish it was just some kind of

1502
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 5: way that I could remind people to refer them back

1503
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 5: to what I had done. I'm like, man, please don't

1504
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,560
Speaker 5: please y'all, don't forget about what I did. I did this,

1505
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 5: you know, like for no money. You know what I'm saying.

1506
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 5: You feel me want no money? And what we were

1507
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 5: doing as good as mind we we were writing songs

1508
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 5: about Marshal Law in nineteen ninety five.

1509
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 2: What are you doing that I talk about Atlanta?

1510
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 3: Oh shit, you are in Atlanta.

1511
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 5: Yes. I wasn't trying to say nothing, you know what

1512
01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like, we weren't doing nothing. We're trying to share,

1513
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like and be out and

1514
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 5: be our highest selves. You know what I mean with

1515
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 5: that opportunity because we all had a deep sense of appreciation.

1516
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 5: H And you know, hey, man, I was married to

1517
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 5: a black woman, got a black son. You know what

1518
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like you know my mother was one of

1519
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 5: the first several black firefighter fire women in Atlanta, Georgia.

1520
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 5: And I got some wonderful, some gigantic women around me

1521
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 5: who I come from, you know what I mean, Like then,

1522
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 5: I would never do such a thing, you know what

1523
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 5: I'm saying.

1524
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 3: How did you the conversation with your son?

1525
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 6: Because I get Well, he's nineteen now, but I mean

1526
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 6: he was, you know, a little younger at the time.

1527
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 6: How how do y'all have that conversation in terms of

1528
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 6: what it was you know, just you know, it was hard, man.

1529
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 5: It was hard than when they were younger, man, because

1530
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 5: they become victimized. And I'm saying, like you know, and

1531
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 5: and the guilt by association, just the embarrassment man, Like

1532
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 5: you know, you can you can't even I can't even

1533
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 5: really put that into words. It's just to time, you

1534
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Like you know what I mean,

1535
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 5: like time and and tangibility of just me being there

1536
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 5: me we haven't been able to touch and feel what

1537
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 5: I'm saying, like you know. And you know a lot

1538
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,560
Speaker 5: of people would say that, you know, hey, man, my

1539
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,560
Speaker 5: kids know me, but you gotta gotta.

1540
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 3: They really don't.

1541
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 6: And they've been watching you to think I've learned just

1542
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 6: in fatherhood, Like they've been watching the things, the things

1543
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 6: that you don't think they see or like like you've

1544
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,799
Speaker 6: been telling them one thing whatever, but they've been watching

1545
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,600
Speaker 6: everything else. And they've been picking up on stuff that

1546
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 6: you might not even think that they was looking at.

1547
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 6: And it's like damn you absolutely, you know what I'm saying, No, no, man,

1548
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 6: but but my son, y'all, y'all watch for him too.

1549
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 5: Man, Like he's been producing me, you know what I'm saying,

1550
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 5: like as of Blake and he is he is. Uh

1551
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 5: you know we we we did. We did on my

1552
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 5: I G you can check it out. We did like

1553
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 5: some Callaway Family band posts, you know, like he taught

1554
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 5: my fiance Sean how to play bass and guitar. Wow,

1555
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:02,520
Speaker 5: we would. We were doing that a lot throughout the quarantine.

1556
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 5: So no, he's accomplished and he's dope. And I mean

1557
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 5: like so like he's like me when I was a kid,

1558
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 5: Like I like Judas Priests and Motley Crue and Black

1559
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 5: Sabbath when I was a kid. So he's like he

1560
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 5: likes System of a Down and Slip Knot and stuff

1561
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 5: like that.

1562
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 2: Just produce their name.

1563
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 5: His producer name is Points Setup. His I is Points

1564
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 5: center Guard And he doesn't he don't really post a lot.

1565
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 5: But you know, like he's a quiet kid and he's reserved,

1566
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 5: but like he's a he's really talented.

1567
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 3: So is he with you? Like full time? He's with

1568
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 3: his mom? Like how do y'all work that out.

1569
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 5: You know, any place I got, he got you know

1570
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, So like you know any you know,

1571
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 5: I would never get a one bed room somewhere. Like

1572
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 5: it's like I'm make sure I got to so he

1573
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 5: got some.

1574
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 3: U how that go?

1575
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 5: Hey?

1576
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 4: So well, anything can happen in hours. That's that's the

1577
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 4: times that we live in right now, anything could happen.

1578
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 4: How what do you feel like right now seeing what's

1579
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 4: happening in Atlanta, Georgia.

1580
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 5: Man, it's kind of like what we was talking about,

1581
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 5: you know earlier, men, just like with the music and

1582
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 5: the way that you know, activism had always been, you know,

1583
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 5: our unified front. You know what I mean. I feel saddened,

1584
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 5: and I feel disappointed, and I feel angered, and I

1585
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 5: feel but I feel impassioned, and I do feel like

1586
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 5: you know, you know, you know we're worked against you

1587
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 5: know what I mean when I said when I say we,

1588
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 5: I mean in terms of like conscious music, you know

1589
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like there's really no outlet, there's no platform,

1590
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, like you know for it. It's

1591
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 5: like but but that's what we're supposed to be thriving,

1592
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, like there hasn't there hasn't been

1593
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 5: a movement, you know, of an era of a generation

1594
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 5: where the music didn't reflect the sign of the times,

1595
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And I believe that there's

1596
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 5: just a large disconnect, you know what I mean. It's like,

1597
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 5: but how can we make not only those protest songs,

1598
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 5: but like those those historical timeless songs, you know what

1599
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 5: I mean, like that that last you know, uh, that last,

1600
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 5: you know? And going forward? I mean like because I

1601
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,879
Speaker 5: do see that people addressing the issues with sound bites

1602
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:21,560
Speaker 5: and uh, montages of the current events and things of

1603
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 5: that nature. You know, you know what I mean. But

1604
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 5: like sometimes it's a little disheartening to me because like

1605
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 5: you know, I hate for any of us as as

1606
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,719
Speaker 5: as artists to have to be you know, conveniently black

1607
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 5: or you know what I mean, Like you know, you know,

1608
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 5: you know, in any kind of way, man, Like I

1609
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 5: really would like for that to be you know, our disposition,

1610
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like in our narrative, you know,

1611
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 5: going forward, you know what I mean, Like, you know,

1612
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 5: we've got to we've got to create counterbalances, you know

1613
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like you know, like for our culture

1614
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 5: or else we will be defined you know what I'm saying,

1615
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 5: like you know, like you know, as it stands, you

1616
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 5: know what I mean, And so I have my opinions,

1617
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 5: but you know, like it's it's it's it's sometimes it's

1618
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 5: you know, I hate to cop out and by saying

1619
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 5: like it's ultimately what the people want, you know what

1620
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 5: I mean, like you know, giving people what they want,

1621
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, it's just like just.

1622
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 2: Because I think people are looking at it here as

1623
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 2: you talk about you know, you have a nineteen year

1624
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 2: old son, and you a black man, and you were

1625
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 2: in Atlanta and we just saw what happened with Raynard,

1626
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 2: and that's you thought that George Floyd was going to be.

1627
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 5: The you know, do y'all know that I was coming

1628
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 5: home from a meeting, and you know, I just saw

1629
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 5: that the traffic was grid locked, and I knew, I mean,

1630
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 5: like I know it now in the traffic, I'm like this,

1631
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 5: I said this same movement, But I didn't realize what

1632
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 5: had happened until I got home because I was coming

1633
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 5: through the city and I still had like another forty

1634
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 5: five minutes to travel to get home. And then I

1635
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 5: realized the incident, you know, in the tragedy that had

1636
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 5: just taken place and they were rioting right there. So

1637
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 5: like you know, I mean seventy yeah, you know what

1638
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 5: I mean, Like university, Yeah, man, like you know that's

1639
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 5: you know, that's that's damn it. You know, that's home

1640
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 5: for me, you know what I mean, Like I'm from here,

1641
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, So like you're seeing it firsthand.

1642
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 5: You know, we've had you know, even going back, you

1643
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 5: know a few weeks to COVID in March, you know,

1644
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 5: since Shanni and my fiancees, you know, her her father

1645
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 5: and her uncle passed within days apart. You know what

1646
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 5: I mean, due to unrelated health issues. But we took

1647
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 5: I mean, like we've taken real losses. You know what

1648
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 5: I'm saying. We continue to take losses.

1649
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 2: Amount of time right now.

1650
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just like, damn, you know what I mean.

1651
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 5: So like we can't go back to perpetuating and celebrating

1652
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 5: our stereotypes and our and reveling in our ignorance and

1653
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 5: our you know, inaccountability. You know what I mean. You

1654
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 5: feel me like we've got to be responsible, you know

1655
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like you I mean, like about the

1656
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 5: things we say and the images we portray and going forward.

1657
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 5: I mean like and you know, I don't know we needed,

1658
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 5: but like you know that kind of music, that kind

1659
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 5: of content, you know what I mean, Like that's that's

1660
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 5: independent action. I mean, like it's apost certainly not affirmative action.

1661
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 5: So we have to we have to support you know,

1662
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 5: that balance, you know, I mean, like you know, and

1663
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 5: sustain that balance for ourselves because I mean literally our

1664
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,560
Speaker 5: lives are depending on it. I mean, because music is

1665
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 5: you know, it is in my opinion me being an artist,

1666
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 5: I consider it to be a central work, you know

1667
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like I believe that should be considered

1668
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 5: as a central workers.

1669
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 6: DJs have been getting people through this shift like all that,

1670
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 6: like for real, for real, you know, well, thank you,

1671
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 6: uh brother brother, see, thank you very much for your time.

1672
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 3: This is epic, all of your time the year.

1673
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 6: Appreciate that, amazing man and just as and as just

1674
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 6: from MC to m C and just you know, you

1675
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 6: were just a huge inspiration and still are, you know,

1676
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 6: Huger inserration for me just to transition to using your

1677
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 6: singing voice and just hearing you talk about it like

1678
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 6: it's it's so many parallels to my career and I

1679
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 6: just thank you just for the inspiration and for the

1680
01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 6: work brothers for real.

1681
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 5: Well, you've callted me so many times in this interview. Man,

1682
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 5: I really can't believe it. Man, I had no idea

1683
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 5: that you you know you you you cut that as

1684
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 5: we said, you cut that hard for me. Man, I

1685
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 5: really it was a pleasure to meet. Sure, you look

1686
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,600
Speaker 5: just like a good friend of mine named Kim Uh Steve,

1687
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 5: you know, and and of course the almighty Quest Love.

1688
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 5: You know what I mean. Thank you for having me.

1689
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 5: You know. Thank I got more bluff of y'all. So

1690
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 5: I hope you know that the content that we got

1691
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 5: here is of some of you. It's not just an.

1692
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 3: This is a typical episode, but not so much because

1693
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 3: it's you.

1694
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 2: And I hope that you enjoyed your experience too.

1695
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 3: I hope you did.

1696
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 5: I did. I thank you'all for having me. Man, I didn't.

1697
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 5: I didn't have no idea. I just knew I was

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Speaker 5: talking to Quest.

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Speaker 4: Today, so I will say she will. Thank you very much,

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Speaker 4: uh for doing our show. This has been long overdue.

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Speaker 4: I hope you enjoyed this. Yes, so on behalf of

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Speaker 4: sugar Steve, you cool sugar Steve.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, I am thank you exactly. Bill.

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Speaker 4: Bill's over there, just yeah, I'm doing pretty Cain over there.

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Speaker 3: Pretty great, yo, y'all. We will see you on the

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Speaker 3: next proground of Quest Love Supreme. We appreciate you. Stay safe,

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Speaker 3: all right, see aladays.

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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. For more

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