1 00:00:15,356 --> 00:00:23,876 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hello everyone, Malcolm Glaubol here, welcome back to another 2 00:00:23,956 --> 00:00:28,916 Speaker 1: preview of this month's bonus episode of revisionist History exclusively 3 00:00:29,236 --> 00:00:33,196 Speaker 1: for Pushnik's Though a word about that, we're now calling 4 00:00:33,236 --> 00:00:37,116 Speaker 1: our subscription offering Pushkin Plus. It's more to the point 5 00:00:37,476 --> 00:00:40,716 Speaker 1: because over here we offer everything you love about Pushkin 6 00:00:40,796 --> 00:00:45,116 Speaker 1: shows plus so much more, add free listening, behind the 7 00:00:45,156 --> 00:00:50,676 Speaker 1: scenes moments, bonus material, crazy as sides. These episodes will 8 00:00:50,676 --> 00:00:54,596 Speaker 1: appear exclusively in Pushkin Plus feeds once a month through 9 00:00:54,636 --> 00:00:56,996 Speaker 1: the end of the year. And this month we look 10 00:00:57,076 --> 00:01:00,236 Speaker 1: back at last season's episode about laundry and the Pushkin 11 00:01:00,356 --> 00:01:04,836 Speaker 1: staff members who didn't take too kindly to my detergent shaming. 12 00:01:08,276 --> 00:01:09,716 Speaker 2: Are we going to get a proud and gamble to 13 00:01:09,716 --> 00:01:12,076 Speaker 2: sponsor us or what? Because that really was free advertising 14 00:01:12,116 --> 00:01:13,756 Speaker 2: for them, that whole episode. 15 00:01:14,316 --> 00:01:19,716 Speaker 1: That's Pushkin's vice president for content development, Littal Mollaud. Pushkin 16 00:01:19,996 --> 00:01:23,396 Speaker 1: is a first Amendment first operation. We let people speak 17 00:01:23,436 --> 00:01:26,116 Speaker 1: their minds, and Littal is one of those old school 18 00:01:26,196 --> 00:01:29,996 Speaker 1: lefties who gets a little uncomfortable when journalists say nice 19 00:01:30,036 --> 00:01:35,156 Speaker 1: things about major multinational corporations. Let's just say I have 20 00:01:35,276 --> 00:01:39,116 Speaker 1: no such compunctions. I hope Pushkin ends up as a 21 00:01:39,156 --> 00:01:44,956 Speaker 1: major multinational corporation one day. Can you imagine Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Google, 22 00:01:45,676 --> 00:01:51,236 Speaker 1: Pushkin Industries. I was so amused by the internal backlash 23 00:01:51,396 --> 00:01:55,076 Speaker 1: that I actually sent out my two crack producers, Lee 24 00:01:55,236 --> 00:01:58,436 Speaker 1: and Alois to follow up with some of the pushkinites 25 00:01:58,676 --> 00:02:02,676 Speaker 1: who I ganged up on. One voice in particular might 26 00:02:02,716 --> 00:02:03,476 Speaker 1: sound familiar. 27 00:02:04,116 --> 00:02:07,916 Speaker 2: I didn't think too much about it other than mildly 28 00:02:07,916 --> 00:02:10,836 Speaker 2: invasive to have the president of your company asking about 29 00:02:11,196 --> 00:02:16,276 Speaker 2: what your launder deturgent is, but also felt unimpeachable in 30 00:02:16,316 --> 00:02:19,956 Speaker 2: my laundry detergent choice, so it wasn't too concerned. 31 00:02:20,756 --> 00:02:23,916 Speaker 1: He found himself cast in the role of straw man. 32 00:02:24,076 --> 00:02:27,076 Speaker 1: There's always a straw man in a revisionist history episode, 33 00:02:27,476 --> 00:02:32,316 Speaker 1: but in this case just mildly singed, I'm talking about 34 00:02:32,356 --> 00:02:39,076 Speaker 1: our VP of Special Audio Projects, Brendan Francis Newnham. Here's 35 00:02:39,116 --> 00:02:42,836 Speaker 1: how Brendan came across in our episode. If you google 36 00:02:42,876 --> 00:02:46,756 Speaker 1: the words Brooklyn, natural wine, farmer's market, vinyl records, and 37 00:02:46,836 --> 00:02:50,556 Speaker 1: whatever other affiliated terms show up automatically in the search field, 38 00:02:51,196 --> 00:02:56,596 Speaker 1: you get Brendan. You do your whites in hot water? Yeah, okay, good, 39 00:02:56,996 --> 00:02:57,436 Speaker 1: that's all. 40 00:02:57,636 --> 00:03:00,356 Speaker 2: I also add bleach into my whites with my e ghosts. 41 00:03:00,396 --> 00:03:05,356 Speaker 1: No, no, no, that's all I've heard enough. Brendan got 42 00:03:05,396 --> 00:03:08,676 Speaker 1: singled out by the revisionist history brain Trust for his 43 00:03:08,836 --> 00:03:12,516 Speaker 1: use of hot water on whites, along with his eccentric 44 00:03:12,596 --> 00:03:16,836 Speaker 1: choice of some kind of woke detergent called eCos eCos. 45 00:03:17,276 --> 00:03:20,796 Speaker 1: Good lord, but let's give Brendan a chance to say 46 00:03:20,836 --> 00:03:21,316 Speaker 1: his peace. 47 00:03:22,636 --> 00:03:25,316 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I feel no need to defend myself. 48 00:03:25,356 --> 00:03:28,316 Speaker 2: If anything, I feel like Malcolm should maybe defend himself 49 00:03:28,356 --> 00:03:31,916 Speaker 2: for his mischaracterization of a brand that I think if 50 00:03:31,956 --> 00:03:36,156 Speaker 2: anyone does research, pays their workers really high wages, has 51 00:03:36,236 --> 00:03:39,916 Speaker 2: been a carbon neutral for a zillion years, has the 52 00:03:39,996 --> 00:03:43,436 Speaker 2: EPA lead platinum, et cetera, et cetera in all their buildings, 53 00:03:43,676 --> 00:03:47,276 Speaker 2: So their footprint, their whole supply chain footprint, is less 54 00:03:47,516 --> 00:03:50,076 Speaker 2: than Procter and Gamble by a long shot. 55 00:03:50,956 --> 00:03:53,516 Speaker 1: I should point out the Procter and Gamble powers their 56 00:03:53,516 --> 00:03:59,356 Speaker 1: detergent factories with wind. But whatever, Let's let Brendan carry on. 57 00:04:00,156 --> 00:04:02,796 Speaker 2: And the detergent smells good and it gets my clothes clean. 58 00:04:03,756 --> 00:04:06,196 Speaker 2: So I feel like leaning into the eCos thing was 59 00:04:06,356 --> 00:04:07,916 Speaker 2: I don't know, it was a little bit. I think 60 00:04:07,916 --> 00:04:11,596 Speaker 2: it was playing into some other stereotypes, some American myths 61 00:04:11,636 --> 00:04:14,636 Speaker 2: about people who live in Brooklyn and people who are 62 00:04:14,676 --> 00:04:19,596 Speaker 2: environmentally conscious, which it does it as service. So that's 63 00:04:19,596 --> 00:04:22,716 Speaker 2: my short bottle. But the bottom line, eCos far better 64 00:04:22,756 --> 00:04:26,116 Speaker 2: company than Procter and Gamble from all the research I've done. 65 00:04:26,516 --> 00:04:27,916 Speaker 2: Do I still have a job. Well, I still have 66 00:04:27,956 --> 00:04:30,076 Speaker 2: a job after this episode. I think I think you're safe. 67 00:04:30,116 --> 00:04:30,956 Speaker 2: I think you're safe. 68 00:04:31,556 --> 00:04:34,636 Speaker 1: Of course, Brendan is safe. As I said, we are 69 00:04:34,676 --> 00:04:38,596 Speaker 1: a First Amendment first operation here at Pushkin. We have 70 00:04:38,676 --> 00:04:42,556 Speaker 1: no issue with whatever crackpot theories our employees may espouse 71 00:04:42,876 --> 00:04:46,116 Speaker 1: as long as they make cool stuff. And trust me, 72 00:04:46,756 --> 00:04:48,156 Speaker 1: Brendan makes cool stuff. 73 00:04:48,676 --> 00:04:51,596 Speaker 2: Now. I was once a quick fire judge on Top 74 00:04:51,676 --> 00:04:53,956 Speaker 2: Chef and all these people came out of the woodwork 75 00:04:54,036 --> 00:04:57,396 Speaker 2: to contact me. Not since then this Malcolm episode, people 76 00:04:57,436 --> 00:05:02,196 Speaker 2: from my law school paths from my childhood emerged to 77 00:05:03,316 --> 00:05:06,396 Speaker 2: mock me, essentially after following Malcolm's lead. 78 00:05:07,076 --> 00:05:10,596 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, wait, Brendan is a lawyer. Why didn't 79 00:05:10,596 --> 00:05:11,276 Speaker 1: anyone tell me? 80 00:05:12,196 --> 00:05:15,356 Speaker 2: So I'm looking into some of my litigation strategies to 81 00:05:15,396 --> 00:05:18,556 Speaker 2: see what you know about defamation of character and stuff 82 00:05:18,596 --> 00:05:21,716 Speaker 2: like that. But I'll have my lawyer, contact revisions history. 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