1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: From the Berkshars to the sound from wherever you live 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: in MLB America. This is inside the Parker. You give 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: us twenty two minutes and we'll give you the scoop 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: on Major League Baseball. Now here's Baseball Hall of Fame 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: voter number six, Rob Parker. Welcome into the podcast. I'm 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: your host, Rob Parker. Man, what a show we have 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: for you. We'll talk with Chicago baseball writer mar Gonzalez 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: will go over his Hall of Fame ballot and we'll 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: discuss that. Also, Fox Sports Radios Bernie Fritto will make 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: his case for Kurt Schilling, who did not get into 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame this time around. That and much 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: more starts now to lead off, it's getting robbed and 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: keep him on. Rob's hot take on the three biggest 14 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: stories in Major League Baseball. Number one, It was a 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: sad day in baseball last week when Hank Aaron passed 16 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: away at age eighty six, one of the all time 17 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: great sluggers in baseball history. He was an amazing player, 18 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: an amazing person, And when you think about Hank Aaron 19 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: and his impact on the game, it was tremendous. Think 20 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: about this. Hank Aaron played in the Negro leagues. Hank 21 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: Aaron Uh came up to the big leagues and was 22 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: a star from day one. And when you look at 23 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: his body of work, it is an incredible, incredible degree 24 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: of consistency. When you think that Hank Aaron batted three 25 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: oh five seven hundred and fifty five home runs almost 26 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: averaged a hundred RBIs in his twenty three seasons. And 27 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: think about this, If you took away his seven hundred 28 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: and fifty five home runs from his hit total, he 29 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: still would have three thousand hits, which by itself would 30 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: get you into the Hall of Fame. So not that 31 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the three thousand hits, he has the 32 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: five hundred home more than five hundred home runs. Those 33 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: two are markers from me that automatically get my vote. 34 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: And then when you think about what he had to 35 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: go through to become the home run champ, and the 36 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: hate and the threats and the racism that was pointed 37 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: towards him, think about that Uh, people saying that they 38 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: were gonna shoot him, kill his kids. And this guy 39 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: never never came undone, never lashed out at people, never 40 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: got angry, just kept playing ball, kept his head down. 41 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: He is definitely someone you can admire. And then he 42 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: did reach that milestone, passing Babe Ruth. And what a 43 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: monumental moment that was when Hank Aaron became the all 44 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: time home run king. And I know people some people 45 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: say he's still my home run king, and it's not 46 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: Barry Bonds and and and I don't really want to 47 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: get into the whole debate about this. This is about 48 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: Hank Aaron and what he did. I respect what Hank 49 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: Aaron put up. His numbers he put up. But but 50 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: in the record books he's number two and that's where 51 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: he is, and that's what I respect. And there's nothing 52 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: wrong with being number two. When when you've put up 53 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: the body of work that Hank Aaron has done, he 54 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: will be missed. What an impact, uh he's had, and 55 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: you know, the grace and the dignity everything he played with, 56 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: and he was a World Series champion and uh he 57 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: was as steady as it as it as it gets. 58 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: Never hit fifty home runs? How can a guy play 59 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: twenty three years, hit all those home runs and never 60 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: have those big years over fifty. It's a it's an amazing, 61 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: an amazing accomplishment. And Hank Aaron will definitely be missed. 62 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: Number two. The Baseball Hall of Fame will have no 63 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,839 Speaker 1: class in one. And what I mean is no one 64 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: was voted in the class of Kurt Schilling was the 65 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: closest at seventy one point one percent. Barry Bonds and 66 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: Roger Clemens had close to sixty. Those were the closest. 67 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: You need seventy in order to get induction into Cooper's town. 68 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: I am a Baseball Hall of Fame voter. I'm a 69 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: b b w A A member. It is my prize 70 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: possession and I take it very seriously. And I don't 71 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: have an issue of there not being any people going 72 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame, because if there aren't any 73 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: people worthy on the ballot, that's the writer's right to 74 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: not vote for people and not just put people in 75 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: just to do so. So I don't have any issue. 76 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: Here is my ballot if case you're wondering. I voted 77 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: for Barry Bonds, I voted for Roger Clemens, I voted 78 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: for Sammy Sosa, and I voted for Gary A. Sheffield. 79 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: And when it comes to me, it's real simple, you know, speculation, 80 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: all the other stuff that went on with the steroid 81 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 1: and p D Era. I just think it's very hard 82 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: to pin it just on those four guys, or five 83 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: guys if you add Mark McGuire, who's no longer on 84 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: the ballot. Because it was an era, it was rampant. 85 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure more people tried it than we really 86 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: even know. And those guys, they were not being tested 87 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: for it during that time. So I'm not gonna play judge, 88 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: jury and executioner. I'm gonna the numbers count in the 89 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: baseball record books, so I am going to vote accordingly, 90 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: and in my book, if you have five hundred home runs, 91 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: three thousand wins, three thousand hits, or three hundred wins, 92 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: you automatically get my vote. All four of those guys 93 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: checked the box in the home run category. All of 94 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: them had five hundred or more home runs. That is 95 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: why they get my vote. I did not vote for 96 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: Kurt Schilling. Kurt Schilling was a very good picture big 97 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: time in the postseason, but his entire body of work 98 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: wasn't good enough. I didn't vote for Mike Mussina, who 99 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: got in. I didn't vote for Jack Morris, who got 100 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: in through the Veterans committee. And they all are around 101 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: the same kind of picture, very very good, just not elite. 102 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: And the the the dialogue against Shilling is that he 103 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: didn't win to Cy Young. If you were one of 104 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: the elite pictures, the greatest of all time, one of 105 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: those guys, you should have at least for one year, 106 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: won a Cy Young, and that didn't happen. He finished 107 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: the second three times. While that tells you there was 108 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: somebody better than him who pitched in during his era, 109 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: I think that's telling. So the Hall of Fame will 110 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: go on no players from this past of voting, which 111 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: is fine, and next year will be very interesting. I 112 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: think a Rod and Big Poppy will be added to 113 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: the list and we'll see how those guys are treated 114 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: and where they are uh as we go forward. But uh, 115 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame continues, and Kurt Schilling not so 116 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: sure he will get in, as he's blamed writers for 117 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: his uh not getting in, And the only people seem 118 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: to complain about writers voting for the Hall of Fame 119 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: are the people who don't get in. That's lame. Number Three. 120 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: Here's one of the most underreported baseball stories that's out there. 121 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: The Union has rejected Major League Baseball's use of the 122 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: universal d H and expanded playoffs which we saw last 123 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: year during the pandemic. The Association Players Association is, according 124 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: to sources, to ESPN or or OR not for the 125 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: universal d H, which I thought they would. It would 126 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: be another big time job for or UH its membership. 127 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: And also last year OR we had the sixteen of 128 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: the thirty teams make the playoffs. It was a lot 129 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: of uh you know, UH wild card kind of playoffs 130 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: and three games series. It was a little exciting considering 131 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: where it was and it was used and and and 132 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: some people got they loved it. The networks, of course 133 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: loved it um but according to UH the Union and 134 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: ESPN reporting they are not um keen to doing it again. 135 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: So this will be interesting. I don't want to see. 136 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. I'm against both of them because 137 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: I love that the National League has its own set 138 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: of rules. Baseball was started without a d H. That's 139 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: the natural form of how the game is played, so 140 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: I like it that way. I don't have an issue 141 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: with the d H. I love the strategy of whether 142 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: or not you have to pitch, pinch hit for our 143 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: pitchers pitching well to try to score some runs. The 144 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: d H to me, reminds me of a softball game 145 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: more than anything. I'm not a big d H guy. 146 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: And the expanded playoffs. I don't want baseball to make 147 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: the regular season null and void. It's too long of 148 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: a season to do that. And you see that in 149 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: the NBA in the NHL, where more than half the 150 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: league makes the playoffs, and then what you have is 151 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: people turning off as far as the regular season is 152 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: saying I'll just wait for the playoffs because most of 153 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: the times, you know what teams are good enough to 154 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: make the playoffs out of us field of sixteen. So 155 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: you're playing a hundred and sixty two games to eliminate 156 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: fourteen teams. That doesn't make any sense to me. I 157 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: like the way the playoffs are already set up. They 158 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: need to stick with that. So in this case, I'm 159 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: with the Union. I don't know what their reasonings are, 160 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: but I'm against the d H in both leagues. At 161 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: the American League wants to keep it, that's fine, and 162 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm against a playoff system where more than half the 163 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: teams make the playoffs. Here comes the big interview listen Hedler. Good, 164 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: All right, let's welcome in Fox sports radio personality Bernie Frotto. 165 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: He hosts Straight out of Vegas on Saturday nights on 166 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. Mr Bernie Frotto, who played minor league 167 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: baseball and loves baseball as much as I do. What's happening, Bernie, Well, 168 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm good to be with here today, and especially good 169 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: because we get to debate our favorite topic, baseball. No doubt, 170 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: it was a debate over Pete Rose that linked us 171 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: together back in Detroit on the radio. And you remember 172 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: that I kicked your butt in, and I'm gonna kick 173 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: your butt now. Let's dig in. I'm digging in, all right, 174 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: let's go. So the big hot topic, obviously of the 175 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame was that Kurt Schilling was not elected. 176 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: He was about six team votes short at seventy one 177 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: point one percent bony he needed seventy five percent um. 178 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: He has one more year of eligibility to be voted 179 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: in by the writers and his tent. Ye're on the ballot. 180 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: Here you are, Bernie Fratt, will make your case for 181 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: Kurt Schilling. Well, first of all, when you make a 182 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: case or any player, the operative word to me and 183 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame has always been the word fame, 184 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: and fame has to do with widespread reputation based on 185 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: your renown. So when you look at showings right now 186 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: along Piers in terms of his on field performance, it 187 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: was stellar. I mean, this is a guy that was 188 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: highly respected as a top flight competitor. Two hundred and 189 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: sixteen wins in his career. He had the best struck 190 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: out to walk ratio of any picture since Nike Hunters 191 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: are very dominant. But the postseason is where he really 192 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: made his bones. Rob a Loving in two with the 193 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: two point two three e r A. He was lights 194 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: out in the postseason. In fact, he started five elimination 195 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: games and never lost one of them. To me, those 196 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: stats are comparable the players that have already been voted 197 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. It's not better. Here's the 198 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: case against him. He just wasn't good enough. If he 199 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: was as good as you make him out to be, 200 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: he would have won at least one side young in 201 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: the twenty years he pitched. Two hundred and sixteen wins 202 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: over twenty years is eleven point four per season. That's 203 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: not impressive. It doesn't match up to the greats of 204 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: the game. And yes, there are some people who got 205 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: in who you take a look at. I don't know. 206 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: They could be Veterans Committee, those could be guys who 207 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: have been voted in, not by the writers. Remember Jack 208 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: Morris did not get in by the writers. He got 209 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: in through the Veterans Committee. So you can't put up 210 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: his numbers against the guy like Jack Morris. Also, you 211 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: talk about the postseason. First of all, I'll give you 212 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: a guy David Wells. David Wells won twenty three more 213 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: games then Kurt Schilling during the regular year during the 214 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: regular season and had ten playoff wins. So it's not 215 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: that he never got any consideration for the Hall of Fame. 216 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: He was considered a guy who was very very good, 217 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: pitched a lot of big time games when it came 218 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: to the postseason as well. So there's another thing. And 219 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: when you talk about uh, Kurt Schilling, a lot of 220 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: his numbers just don't compare to the grades of like 221 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: a Tom Seaver and and and uh Nolan Ryan and 222 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: people like that who won three hundred games. That's a 223 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: testament to how good they were and the cy youngs 224 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: that they won. And he just doesn't have any of 225 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: that national hardware. Well, first of all, if you want 226 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: to bring David Walls into the conversation. While it's true 227 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: Wells had ten career postseason wins, he had eight losses. 228 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: He was basically five hundred and if he really was 229 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: not only effective in the postseason, he was absolutely light 230 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: out in the postseason. Now he doesn't have three wins 231 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: like Tom Siever. I get that, or you probably would 232 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: have voted him in. But let's take a look at 233 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: other renowned pictures like what he Ford, who was considered 234 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: the gold standard for the postseason. He was also a 235 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: tenonate with the two point seven l A. He's in 236 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: the hall. Don Drisdale three and three in the postseason 237 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: and had seven less career victories than Kurt Schilling, And 238 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: I don't care that he never want to say young. 239 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: Those are voted on by human beings, and let's face it, 240 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: Kurt Schilling, whose nickname while he played professional baseball was 241 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: Cable from One not a nice guy, was very rude 242 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: and bombastic toward the press. Allegedly he wants to a 243 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: cartoon with a picture of a journalist with a rope 244 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: in a tree and said some assembly required. How are 245 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: you gonna do that and allow your fellow human beings 246 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: to look at you seriously. There's too much subjectivity and 247 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: voting for the Hall of Fame. Now, I'll give you 248 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: some credit because you didn't vote for David Walls. And 249 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: there are other star pictures either, So I think we'll 250 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: up your standard. I respect because people gets this in 251 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: down the line. But I don't see all the writers 252 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: hold the same type of objectivity that you do. There's 253 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: more subjectivity to me. What Kirk Chilling did in his 254 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: career and then again back to the order, the operative 255 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: word thing, all of same Chilling lovers not only stand up, 256 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: but he did it what it mattered most. And he 257 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: didn't have warriors roll behind him like David Wells did 258 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: when he was pitching for the Yankees. You brought up 259 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: Don Drysdale. I'm gonna push back for the final time. 260 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: Nine time All Star won a World Series three times, 261 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: one of Si Young in nineteen sixty two. Also was 262 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: the MLB wins leader in that year nineteen sixty two, 263 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: three time MLB strikeout leader. He was a dominant picture 264 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: on an organization that one he is, he is better 265 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: and you said he only has seven more wins and yes, 266 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: the postseason if you want to go with three and three, 267 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: but you have to look at the entire body work. 268 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: Mr Bernie Fratto, I appreciate you. I appreciate your stance. 269 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: I don't agree with it, but we can agree to disagree. 270 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: When Rob was a newspaper columnist, he lived by this motto, 271 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: if I'm writing, I'm riffing. Let's bring in a writer, 272 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: a broadcaster, older new All right, let's welcome to the podcast. 273 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: One of my favorite people, one of my favorite baseball people, 274 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: one of my favorite baseball writers, mar Gonzalez from Chicago, 275 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: who spent fifteen years almost sixteen with the Chicago Tribune 276 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: covering first the White Sox and then the Cubs. Hall 277 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: of Fame voter Mark, Welcome to the podcast, my man, 278 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. It's an honor always, buddy, 279 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: you know it. Let's just get right to it. This 280 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: was one of those years It's happened, I think nine 281 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: times in the past where no one was voted in 282 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: to the Baseball Hall of Fame, which I don't have 283 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: a problem with. If nobody's really worthy, I'm cool with. 284 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: Rather than just putting people in where you on nobody 285 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: getting in, Hey, if that's what does to determine. I'm 286 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: all with it because it's the Hall of Fame. It's 287 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: not the Hall of Good or very good, and you 288 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: want the most elite players in the Hall of representing 289 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: baseball's greatest shrine. I'm I'm with you. We we've been lax, 290 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: I think uh of late putting guys in mark on 291 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: their last try. A lot of guys have been getting 292 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: in like that. Tim Raines, Larry Walker, you know when 293 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: time is running out and helped me with this. If 294 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: you don't vote for somebody for fourteen years or for 295 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: nine years, how do you vote for him in year 296 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: ten or their last year on the ballot? Does that 297 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: make sense? Or am I missing something? Well, everybody's entitled 298 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: their format how they know about it. There's been a 299 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: couple of times that I've left the guy off the 300 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: first time time, but then he's on the second time 301 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: and usually gets in. Two examples are Tim Rains and 302 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: Andrea Dawson. But that's the exception more than the role. 303 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: So I just still it goes back to what I 304 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: feel you if you had me the Hall of Fame, 305 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: we had to dominate for an extended period to be 306 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: worthy of nomination. How about Okay, we knew going in 307 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: with the taint of the p E D S Bonds 308 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: Clemens Sosa Sheffield, Um, where are you on those guys? 309 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: And and and first I guess we should say we 310 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: would love to hear your ballot. And then I love 311 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: your take on guys who are rumored or linked to 312 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: p E D. S. H. I voted for three of 313 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: my ballots, usually tight. I voted for Billy Wagner Jeff Kent. 314 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: Those two guys have always been on my ballot. And 315 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: the addition this year was Andrew Jones. I put an 316 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: extra emphasis on defense, and I felt with the Tim 317 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: Gold Global Awards in center field and the fact that 318 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: he did have a stretch of dominance, I think people 319 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: forget that this guy broke into the majors when he 320 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: was nineteen, So I think that has to be considered. 321 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: And those are the three guys I voted for it. 322 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: As far as the guys with a cloud of peg 323 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: over them, I never voted for them. And it goes 324 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: back to the Dale Murphy. It's good cause, Yeah, I 325 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: just think it's guys like Dale Murphy and Harold Baines 326 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: think guys UH would have had some extra help they 327 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: would have been in tuner and to their credit, they 328 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: played the game right. They played it clean. And if 329 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: you let these guys get in, these other guys get in. 330 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: It just hurts guys like Dale, Murphy and arro' baine. 331 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: Even though he'll get in the Get on Veterans Committee. 332 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: How about next year Big Poppies on the list. Big 333 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: Poppy was on the in the Mitchell report for the use. 334 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: Would you vote for him or have you not thought 335 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: about that yet? Try not to think about it yet. 336 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: I know the Commissioner has come out in his defense. 337 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: I'll have to break down a lot of things. One 338 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: thing I will do I won't pennalyze him for being 339 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: a d H during the last stretch of his career. 340 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: I don't think you can penalyze the guy for that, 341 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: especially if he has dominated at the plate. Special player, 342 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. It'll be interesting to see how 343 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: this plays out. And do you doubt because that there 344 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: I don't doubt that there are. There are guys who 345 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: have been inducted in the Hall of Fame of late 346 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: who have either used p d s or been involved 347 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: in it. Uh. Do you think guys who have used 348 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: p d s or in the Hall of Fame. Cringe 349 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: to think about it, but you've gotta wonder just how 350 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: prevalently it was during the nineties and turn of the century. 351 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: But I know I'd like to thank for the most 352 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: part that that's a pretty pure group with very few exceptions. 353 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: Our guest is Mar Gonzalez, Chicago Sportswriter Hall of Fame 354 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: voter B B w A, a member, friend of mine 355 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: for a long time covering baseball. Let's get to the 356 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: elephant in the room. Kurt Schilling. Uh making noise. I mean, 357 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: you know the case he makes and and he did 358 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: it on the radio after he didn't get in. He 359 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: got seventy one point one percent of the vote right 360 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: away went after the writers that if he was a 361 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: Democrat he would be in making all these excuses. Where 362 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: are you on Kurt Schilling? And how come you can't 363 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: accept that? Maybe some people don't think he's a Hall 364 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: of Famer. Well, I'm one of those of the ladder. 365 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: I've seen the good and bad with him. But as 366 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: far as his achievement from the Mountain, and that's very good, 367 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: I just think his body at Dominance wasn't long enough. 368 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: You saw Philly were in a good stint, but it 369 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: really wasn't long. He was injured too. Uh diamond Backs, 370 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: he had two and a half exceptional years, but then 371 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: he was trained to Boston. UH did a solid job there, 372 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: but his last few years were injury planked. I just 373 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: think he had up all in the numbers. There are 374 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: some guys that didn't get in. There are a fair 375 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: favor both of his numbers. You know. David Wells, for example, 376 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: was excuse me, two or thirty nine wins and postseason 377 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: record was ten and five with a three r A. 378 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: I usually don't vote for for me starting pitchers unless 379 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: they dominated. Howadays, I get it seemed the mind. I 380 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: didn't vote for Mike Mussina, but good for him he 381 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: got in. I'm with you. I try to stay consistent. 382 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: Didn't vote for Shilling, didn't vote from you seen, didn't 383 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: vote for Jack Morris. I didn't vote for any of 384 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: those guys, and I think they're all in the same boat, 385 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: very good. And the other what last argument is some 386 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: people always trying to trump UH and say that the uh, 387 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, postseason umbers should push you over the top. 388 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: And and a guy played at Chilling played twenty years 389 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: in the Big leagues and had two hundred sixteen wins, 390 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: which is what eleven point four zero wins a year. 391 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that's that impressive. Yeah, if 392 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: you by season to were we're chatting a lot of 393 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: of merrit during his era, and then you can say, okay, 394 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: maybe that should curry some weight. But I don't think 395 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: he had a couple. Yeah, that was it, all right? 396 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: His name Mar gonzalez Man. We always appreciate the knowledge, uh, 397 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: one of the best baseball writers out there. We appreciate 398 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: you on the podcast and hopefully we'll talk to you, 399 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: uh during the season. Sounds good, Rob, Take care now 400 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: bringing the clothes there. Here's why MLB is better than 401 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: the NFL or NBA, and it isn't even close. Here 402 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: was another reason why baseball is better than the NBA 403 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: and the NFL. With the passing of Hank Aaron, it 404 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: was only appropriate that I thought back to my childhood 405 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: and I thought back to that magical moment when he 406 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: hit his seven hift home run to pass Babe Ruth 407 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: to become the all time home run leader. And if 408 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 1: you haven't heard the play by play of that game 409 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: from Vince Scully, you are in for a treat because 410 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: even to this day, that happened in nineteen four and 411 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: here we are in twenty one, and I still get 412 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: goose bumps when I hear the the moment and Vince 413 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: Scully's call and the video of him running around the 414 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: bases and Vince Scully ties it up into a nice bowl. 415 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: He talks about the uh, what it looked like, a 416 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: black man and a out winning the home run title 417 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: and and it was just an amazing moment. And that 418 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: is why baseball has those moments that not often do 419 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: you see those kind of moments in the other sports. 420 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: And for your listening pleasure, here you go. Fast Fall 421 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: is a high drive in the deep left center field 422 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 1: goes back to the friend city. God, what a marvelous 423 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: woman for baseball. What a marvelous moment for Atlanta and 424 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: the state of Georgia. What a marvelous moment for the 425 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: country in the world. A black man is getting a 426 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: standing ovation in the Deep South for breaking a record 427 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: of an all time baseball idol. And it is a 428 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: great moment for all of us, and particularly for Henry Aaron, 429 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: who has met at home plate not only by every 430 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: member of the Brave, but by his father and mother. 431 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: He threw his arms around his father, and as he 432 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: left the home fight area, his mother came running across 433 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: the grass, threw her arms around his neck, kissed him 434 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: for all fewer words in the words of New York 435 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: TV legend the late Bill Jorgensen, thanking you for your 436 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: time this time until next time. Rob Parker out. He 437 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: can't get it. This could be an inside of Parker 438 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: to see you next week, same bad time, same mancination. 439 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: Joe Offer