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Speaker 1: On this episode of newche World, I want to share

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Speaker 1: with you the conversation I had recently on Triggered with

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Speaker 1: Don Jr. His podcast, which is.

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Speaker 2: Terrific, joining me now former Speaker of the House, author

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Speaker 2: of March to the Majority, the one and only Newt Gingrich,

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Speaker 2: mister Speaker.

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Speaker 3: How are you, sir.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great, and it's great to be with you,

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Speaker 1: and it's amazing how much ground you cover.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, you know, the reality is this,

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Speaker 2: I think you know, Andrew Britbart said, it's sort of

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Speaker 2: best like politics is downstream of culture, and I think

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Speaker 2: the Republican Party sort of often scoffed at that they

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Speaker 2: didn't try to get involved.

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Speaker 3: They didn't try to do these things.

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Speaker 2: They allowed the left to sort of pervasively take over

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Speaker 2: education and pop culture and sports and even the upper

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Speaker 2: echelon of law enforcement in the military, and we just

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Speaker 2: sort of sat back there and are like we're gonna

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Speaker 2: stand like we had to get involved, and I think

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Speaker 2: my follower is one of the few guys that could

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Speaker 2: actually do that. And you know, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you saw what happened or the NFL. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: NFL perhaps is even you know, the UFC was different

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Speaker 2: because it was always a conservative group. When you're a

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Speaker 2: guy that gets you a cage to fight another man

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Speaker 2: on your own, like it's on you, you own that.

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Speaker 2: It's an individual sport. You know, you go in and perform,

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Speaker 2: and I think that sort of aligance with the conservative mindset.

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Speaker 2: The team sports not as much, but watching the NFL players,

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Speaker 2: you know, score touchdowns or interception and do the Trump dance,

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Speaker 2: you know multiple times. I mean, yeah, they got the

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Speaker 2: Detroit Lions, you got the LA Raiders, you got the Titans,

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Speaker 2: all guys doing it. That was amazing to see because now,

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Speaker 2: for the first time in a long time, it's okay

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Speaker 2: to be America.

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Speaker 3: First.

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Speaker 2: That was like the permission slip for so many more people.

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Speaker 2: So I imagine this is just the starter. What are

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Speaker 2: your thoughts on it?

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Speaker 1: Well, And first of all, I think that the election

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Speaker 1: what if Kamala had won, this country would have been

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Speaker 1: down the tubes. And second, I think that your father's

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Speaker 1: sheer courage, nine solid years of campaigning, being shot and

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Speaker 1: having lawsuits, being impeached, all that courage just taking it

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Speaker 1: and keeping oncoming has had an effect on a wide

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Speaker 1: range of people. I just did a newsletter Gingerishrey sixty

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Speaker 1: about which was inspired by you. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: thought yesterday you holding the McDonald's French fries box on

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Speaker 1: the airplane. It just suddenly all clicked for me that

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Speaker 1: what you have with Trump is a different kind of

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Speaker 1: cultural divide. It's a cultural divide of people who like sports,

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Speaker 1: people who like winning whenember the big problem for liberals is,

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Speaker 1: if you're really into sports, you want performance, you want marriage,

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Speaker 1: you want to be able to win. You understand the

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Speaker 1: difference between winning and losing. Now, you go to a

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Speaker 1: place like Georgetown University, where they when your dad won,

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Speaker 1: they had special rooms people could go to where they

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Speaker 1: that is the opposite of competitive sports. And that's why

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Speaker 1: I think there's a huge difference. I made a point

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Speaker 1: that when Kamala Harris went on Saturday Night Live, she

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Speaker 1: give him equal time. And the equal time they gave

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Speaker 1: And I think your point earlier, which some people may

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Speaker 1: And if you actually go back the idea that America

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Speaker 1: the planet. I don't know if you saw the picture today,

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Speaker 1: far the Biden Harris team has undermined America in the world.

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Speaker 1: And as you know, and they have the next meeting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a feeling that's not ever going to happen,

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Speaker 2: but it goes to show you. I mean, and I

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Speaker 2: they're going to capitalize on it. I mean, for China,

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Speaker 2: for for everyone, for all of our enemies especially, but

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Speaker 2: you know, for even some of those emerging economies, if

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Speaker 3: They're going to pounce.

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Speaker 2: So they're going to take advantage of and they take

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Speaker 2: they have taken advantage of these last four years. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine a place where you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: That's insane, That's absolutely absurd. And yet it's happening before

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Speaker 3: Before our very eyes. This this today was a great

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's very interesting the speed with which

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Speaker 1: is going to lead, America is going to be strong again.

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Speaker 1: And I think the Trump presidency is going to be

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Speaker 1: and that all leads people to decide around the world

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Speaker 1: think this is a very historic moment that we're all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was a really big deal.

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously you saw you know, Katar says, Hamas

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Speaker 2: You know what Putin said, she said, we want to

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Speaker 2: But I think for me and for the people that

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Speaker 2: like just He's like, well, we were talking about it,

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Speaker 2: Now we're going to take that chance because we we

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Speaker 3: We're going to do this.

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Speaker 2: And we were literally waiting for November fifth, the outcome

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Speaker 2: Before my father even took office, they're like, hey, we

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Speaker 2: just going for it. I mean, that's about as America

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know close and I have both of

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Speaker 1: but they've seen us on TV. They know we've been

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Speaker 1: how fast, well supply side economics work. He said, well,

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Speaker 1: So when to suddenly say, you know, the place I'd

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Speaker 2: Listen, I think you're one hundred percent right with that. Now,

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Speaker 2: I will say, you know, my father can't do it alone, right,

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Speaker 2: He's going to need help from the House.

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Speaker 3: Where you have a slim majority.

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Speaker 2: He's going to need help from the Senate getting some

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Speaker 2: wrote the book March to the majority. You did this yourself.

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Speaker 2: The only reason we have a Senate majority is because

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Speaker 2: good candidates. But the incoming freshman class, you know, good candidates.

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Speaker 2: I think they'll be great. But a lot of the

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Speaker 2: guys that have been there for a long time, you know,

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Speaker 2: may not get that message. Can you talk about the

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Speaker 2: the Republican leadership on Capitol Hill, because you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: gentle than mine.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, Look, when I was Speaker, we had the

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Speaker 1: only four balanced budgets since the nineteen thirties. We've got

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Speaker 1: welfare reform with a Democratic president, and we split the

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Speaker 1: And the reason simple. I studied basically three people, Abraham Lincoln,

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Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan, and Margaret Thatcher. And there's a very steady

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Speaker 1: pattern there. The key is to focus on the American people.

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Speaker 1: If the American and I'll say the first huge test

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Speaker 1: that that bill pass, you're going to see a bunch

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Speaker 1: of Democrats, not just Republicans, a bunch of Democrats. Yes,

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Speaker 1: It is. And frankly, if kids is sick with Elon

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Speaker 1: of setting up the equipment we need ultimately for humans

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Speaker 1: to be able to live and work on that planet.

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Speaker 1: None of these things would happen without entrepreneurs. And that's

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Speaker 1: the other thing I would say, don that so much

439
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Speaker 1: fits your family. We can liberate the entrepreneurial spirit of America.

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Speaker 1: If we can get people who are excited to get

441
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Speaker 1: up seven days a week and go out and event

442
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Speaker 1: and create things. The kind of future we can create

443
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Speaker 1: for our children and grandchildren is literally unknowable. It's going

444
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Speaker 1: to be so amazing and such a remarkable chance. And

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Speaker 1: I know that you feel the same. I have grandchildren,

446
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Speaker 1: now you have children. You know you want them to

447
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Speaker 1: have the best future possible, and that means you need entrepreneurs,

448
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Speaker 1: not bureaucrats, to invent the future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's been you know, a huge part

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Speaker 2: of my focus is creating some of that parallel economy,

451
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Speaker 2: getting away from the you know, DEI policies of corporate America,

452
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Speaker 2: creating things that are based on merit and actually you know,

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Speaker 2: effecient efficient and all that. I mean, That's what I've

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Speaker 2: spent when I wasn't campaigning. That's why I've spent my

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Speaker 2: last few years of my life actually doing all. Now

456
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Speaker 2: that I'm done campaigning, I can actually spend a lot

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Speaker 2: more time on that. But it's it's one hundred percent right,

458
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Speaker 2: and it's guys like that that are going to do it,

459
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Speaker 2: but you can't. It was funny and talking with Elan,

460
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Speaker 2: he actually said he was talking about, you know, some

461
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Speaker 2: of the rockets, and this he goes, you know, it

462
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Speaker 2: took me less time to think of design and create

463
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Speaker 2: the rocket that it did to get the paperwork from

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Speaker 2: the government to launch the rocket. I mean, the permit

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Speaker 2: to launch a rocket that a genius came up with

466
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Speaker 2: and built and actually made work.

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Speaker 3: The permit took longer.

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Speaker 2: That was the.

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Speaker 3: Stumbling brock in the process.

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Speaker 2: Like think of it that you could invent and build

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Speaker 2: a rocket faster than you could get the permit to

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Speaker 2: actually test it. I mean that, I mean that was

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Speaker 2: the perfect example of how we insane. Like that's something

474
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Speaker 2: that should basically happen in about three seconds, maybe a

475
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Speaker 2: day or two, but it shouldn't be a process that

476
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Speaker 2: takes years and everyone has to chime in and a

477
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Speaker 2: bunch of pushers who are doing nothing making it impossible

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Speaker 2: for geniuses like Elon to create I mean, imagine, imagine

479
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Speaker 2: what we've destroyed that will for people to be that

480
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Speaker 2: entrepreneurs because of the red tape. And if we can

481
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Speaker 2: cut that, that's number one for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think actually, and if you back to look

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Speaker 1: at the rig in yours, cutting the red tape actually

484
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Speaker 1: has a bigger economic growth impact than cutting texts. I

485
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Speaker 1: think cutting Texas is very important, but you can eliminate

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Speaker 1: a lot of the red tape. And I think because

487
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Speaker 1: we know more now and because of the kind of

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Speaker 1: leadership that your dad creates and the kind of people

489
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Speaker 1: he's attracting, we're gonna have a chance to have the

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Speaker 1: greatest deregulatory experience and that is going to liberate the

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Speaker 1: economy in ways that people will look back ten or

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Speaker 1: fifteen years from now and they will think it was

493
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Speaker 1: like a tidal wave of new ideas, new products, new

494
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Speaker 1: services that you know, raised the income and the quality

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Speaker 1: of life for virtually every American.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I think it's a once in a lifetime opportunity

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Speaker 2: that we have right now. And we have It's not

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Speaker 2: just my father now. You have a team of people

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Speaker 2: surrounding him that you know, are on point, that are

501
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Speaker 2: on mission that aren't there to slow roll it so

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Speaker 2: we can get back to business as usual. And you know,

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Speaker 2: to me, that's the incredible opportunity. So there's a quote

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Speaker 2: from Ralph wall to Emerson. They go something to the

505
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Speaker 2: effect of you to beat yourself in a world that's

506
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Speaker 2: constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment.

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Speaker 2: I sort of feel like that sums up perhaps my

508
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Speaker 2: father's relationship with Washington. You know, as good as it gets,

509
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Speaker 2: they tried to change him. They tried to make him

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Speaker 2: something that was what they wanted, and it didn't work.

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Speaker 3: What do you think about it?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I wrote a couple of books on

513
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Speaker 1: your dad when he first came out of nowhere and

514
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Speaker 1: became president. And what I was strictly is I did

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Speaker 1: the research all through his career. He's been Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: He's been Donald Trump but it was good. He's been

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump when it was bad, and he just kept

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Speaker 1: being Donald Trump. And I think that's in a sense

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Speaker 1: what Emerson's talking about, that you have this inner being

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Speaker 1: you have you have to be true to yourself before

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Speaker 1: you can be true to anybody else. And I think

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Speaker 1: that we've seen a consistency with President Trump who and

523
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Speaker 1: you only loves the country as you know, you're part

524
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Speaker 1: of the family. He didn't have to do any of this.

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Speaker 3: He had an easy life.

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Speaker 2: He can do whatever he wake un play golf all day,

527
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Speaker 2: you can do whatever that they wanted was, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was actually a pretty good life. And

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Speaker 2: I'm like, see, you know, he didn't just go through

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Speaker 2: four years of it in the presidency and then there's

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Speaker 2: four years of law fair and trials and they're trying

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Speaker 2: to throw him in jail and you know, fake accusations

533
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Speaker 2: from decades. I mean, I don't think you know, and

534
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Speaker 2: getting shot. Yeah, the SHOT's kind of a big one,

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Speaker 2: hard time.

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Speaker 1: At one point, a couple of months back, when it

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Speaker 1: was really tough, I called him and said, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is really difficult, and I'm really proud that you're,

539
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Speaker 1: you know, sticking to it. And they said to me,

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Speaker 1: for the funny, Tony said, what choice do I have?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it wasn't It wasn't like you said,

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Speaker 1: let's create the hardest possible game because I want to

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Speaker 1: test myself. But he was in the process of saving

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Speaker 1: the country and if that meant you had to risk

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Speaker 1: getting shot, you risk getting shot. That meant you had

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Speaker 1: to go into a debate where the two model Raiders

547
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Speaker 1: would be on the side of your opponent. He went

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Speaker 1: out of the debate. I mean, he's consisum now because

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00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: you've lived through it more than I have. He has

550
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Speaker 1: consistently gotten up every morning and thought about saving this

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Speaker 1: country and done what he had to do every day.

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Speaker 1: And I am convinced that for the next four years,

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Speaker 1: we're going to get the same service, the same courage,

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Speaker 1: the same dedication, and that he is going to continue

555
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Speaker 1: to attract absolutely first class people who are going to

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Speaker 1: collectively create for the American people a real opportunity to

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Speaker 1: have a better future.

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Speaker 2: Well listen, like like when he got shot, fight fight, fight,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't he doesn't stop. I saw him, you know,

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Speaker 2: before election. I mean I was with him. I saw

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Speaker 2: him pull too all nighters in a row. He's seventy

562
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Speaker 2: eight like I was dying, and then you know, he's

563
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Speaker 2: getting done with the second all nighter after being up

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Speaker 2: for forty eight hours, and he's going on TV and

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Speaker 2: then doing a whole day of I mean, it was

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Speaker 2: It's truly spectacular. I mean it was just amazing to watch,

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Speaker 2: And you know, I guess the lie. When people ask me, well,

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Speaker 2: how do you do you keep fighting? I was like, well,

569
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Speaker 2: if I don't, I'm probably going to end up in

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Speaker 2: the gulags next to Elon and a couple of the

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Speaker 2: other people.

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Speaker 3: So I guess we didn't have a choice.

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Speaker 2: But Nude, I'd love you to take us back to

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Speaker 2: the I guess it's the one hundred and fourth Congress

575
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Speaker 2: in the nineties, following your first two years as House Speaker.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Republican majority was re elected in the

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six election. It's the first time the Republicans

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Speaker 2: had done so in sixty eight years. What can current

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Speaker 2: Republican leaders learn from your leadership then? I mean, I

580
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Speaker 2: think you had a stronger majority. You didn't have a

581
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Speaker 2: majority of three or four whatever we're going to end

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Speaker 2: up with. You know, they're still counting votes. I mean

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Speaker 2: two weeks later, there's still counting votes in some places

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Speaker 2: because you know, we're a third world nation essentially.

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Speaker 3: But what do you think they can learn?

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Speaker 2: What do you think the differences are perhaps between your

587
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Speaker 2: majority and now how can they get around that obstacle,

588
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Speaker 2: et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think it's really in a sense the

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Speaker 1: same advice I would give to all the new members

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Speaker 1: of the incoming Trump administration. First, every time there's a

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Speaker 1: special election, go all out, drown up with resources and personnel,

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Speaker 1: and win it. We did that. We picked up seven

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Speaker 1: seats the first two years we were in office. Second,

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Speaker 1: as I said earlier about Lincoln and Reagan and Thatcher,

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Speaker 1: listen to the American people. The American people want the

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Speaker 1: border controlled, The American people want inflation under control. The

598
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Speaker 1: American people want economic growth. The American people want more

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Speaker 1: energy and less expensive energy. And go down a list

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Speaker 1: like that. If we're doing what the American people want

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Speaker 1: and they know it, they're very likely going to give

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Speaker 1: us a chance to serve them again. But it has

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Speaker 1: to be a relationship. I don't talk about communicating to

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Speaker 1: the American people. I talk about working with the American people.

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Speaker 1: And if we would learn to do that. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, one of the things that President Trump has

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Speaker 1: done that is truly heroic, and I've been acting for

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Speaker 1: a very long time in the Republican Party. He brought

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Speaker 1: in Latinos African American males, in fact, also number of

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Speaker 1: African American females. Now, he brought in Asian Americans. He

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Speaker 1: brought in working class whites. I mean, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you have a brand new coalition replacing the Roosevelt coalition,

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Speaker 1: and that means Republicans, particularly traditional Republicans, have to learn

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Speaker 1: that they're part of a new, bigger and different coalition. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's for some of them, that's going to be

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Speaker 1: very uncomfortable. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean you were on this early. I mean even

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Speaker 2: back in twenty sixteen, you were talking about the sort

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Speaker 2: of political realignment that was going underway. My father, you know,

620
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Speaker 2: rewrote that map. You know what other places do you

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Speaker 2: see that realignment? I definitely saw it. I was saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe not overall numbers, but per capita. Over

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Speaker 2: the last few months, I was taking more selfies when

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Speaker 2: I met like an airport somewhere with African American men

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Speaker 2: than anywhere else.

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Speaker 3: I saw it. It's palpable. It's not like at one time.

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Speaker 2: Thing is like I saw a couple more people at

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Speaker 2: a rally like this was where they weren't expecting me

629
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Speaker 2: and they'd had enough. They'd seen that. Certainly seen the

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Speaker 2: same thing with Latinos. I especially saw it in some

631
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Speaker 2: of the younger demographic that would never be Republican. And

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Speaker 2: yet you know, in some states we even won, but

633
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Speaker 2: was certainly on average. Across the country, getting fifteen percent

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Speaker 2: of the eighteen to twenty nine would have been absolutely

635
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Speaker 2: unheard of, and yet we did it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, make America great again. It's actually cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think two big examples. One, we found that

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Speaker 1: an awful lot of suburban women who on the surface

639
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Speaker 1: would say that abortion was the biggest issue as they

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Speaker 1: thought through how dangerous the world is. I watched one

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Speaker 1: of them on a program that I was watching that

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00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: was interviewing people, and she said, look, when you talked

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Speaker 1: worrying about World War three, and you start worrying about

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Speaker 1: Russia and China and all these things, suddenly safety becomes

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Speaker 1: the number one issue. And so we saw a much

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Speaker 1: stronger vote among women for President Trump than anybody expected

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Speaker 1: three or four weeks out. And I think it was

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Speaker 1: largely whether the safety was from illegal immigrants we've been

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Speaker 1: watching in this terrible trial in Georgia, or the safety

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Speaker 1: is from foreign countries, but a real change in that sense.

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Speaker 1: I think. Second, what we've learned is that you have

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Speaker 1: younger people who on the surface will tell you that

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Speaker 1: they're green, etc. Until you ask them, can you afford

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Speaker 1: to buy a house? Can you afford to buy a car?

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Speaker 1: Can you find a job? And all of a sudden,

656
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Speaker 1: the economy becomes a really big deal. If we can

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Speaker 1: be the party that delivers growth, lower costs, greater opportunities,

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Speaker 1: that young people can afford to buy a house, that

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Speaker 1: people in general can afford to live better, that people

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Speaker 1: in the inner city are safer and don't have to

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Speaker 1: fear what the weekend will be like in terms of killings.

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Speaker 1: I think we could be a majority for a very

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Speaker 1: long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you know, what does the Democrat do

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Speaker 2: from here on out? I mean, they don't exactly have

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Speaker 2: someone like a tip O'Neil out there. I'm watching CNN

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Speaker 2: in the days after the election, and I mean they

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Speaker 2: literally have people that are I mean, I guess in

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Speaker 2: their eyes credible, people saying I don't is screaming like lunatics,

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Speaker 2: like I don't care if you can't afford your groceries.

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Speaker 2: We need, you know, drive through abortions, and we need

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Speaker 2: three year olds to be able to decide without parental

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Speaker 2: consent to get gender affirming care. I mean, do they

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Speaker 2: learn anything from this? Do they what do they do

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Speaker 2: because it doesn't it doesn't seem like they're learning. I'm

676
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Speaker 2: sure a couple of people will get it, but do

677
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Speaker 2: they just continue to ostracize this at the levels.

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Speaker 3: That's the megaphone.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think you have a big fight inside their

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Speaker 1: own party. You're gonna have the wing that can't learn

681
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Speaker 1: anything because they're ideologically so fanatically committed to a world

682
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Speaker 1: that doesn't exist. And then you're gonna have a wing

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Speaker 1: that's more rational, more modern, and they're gonna be constantly

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Speaker 1: beaten up and intimidated by the people who are nuts. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And and I use that term delivery. I think you

686
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Speaker 1: have to understand when when somebody was up to you

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Speaker 1: and says, I really don't know what a woman is.

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Speaker 1: And I really don't want parents to have any role

689
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Speaker 1: in their child deciding to change their sex. And I

690
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Speaker 1: really don't mind if men compete in women's sports and

691
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Speaker 1: win all of them. You're dealing with people who aren't

692
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Speaker 1: very close touch with reality. And then when you hear

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Speaker 1: people say, for example, from the river to the sea,

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Speaker 1: and if and the truth is, if you went into

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Speaker 1: these college campuses and said which river, yeah, and which

696
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Speaker 1: which see just Channing mindlessly. It's the decay of American

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Speaker 1: education in the sort of a social movement.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that during some of those chants here

699
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Speaker 2: they put up a big banner that spraypaint you know,

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Speaker 2: Palestine somewhere, but they misspelled it like you know, uh,

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Speaker 2: not exactly, not exactly their finest But earlier you mentioned

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Speaker 2: Jack camp uh and he once said, we want peace

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Speaker 2: with all our hearts, but cannot be achieved through weakness.

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Speaker 2: Talk about the global effects of that, I mean, I

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Speaker 2: guess it's sort of that, maybe even a Reaganist philosophy

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Speaker 2: of you know, peace through strength, which I think we've

707
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Speaker 2: totally done without, you know, having the woke policies in

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Speaker 2: our military, having you know, the insanity that we've seen there.

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Speaker 2: How do we achieve peace through strength once again?

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Speaker 1: Well, let me say, first of all, we need a

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Speaker 1: deep and thorough overhaul of both the Pentagon and the

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Speaker 1: intelligence community. I think it's hard to overstate how much

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Speaker 1: they've been weakened, starting with Obama and coming up through Biden.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's a very important reform element for

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Speaker 1: us to have any chance of survival. I've always told

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Speaker 1: people that the key to understanding liberals is that they

717
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Speaker 1: saw the Lion King. They thought that it was the documentary.

718
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Speaker 1: They think that lions and zebras sing and dance together.

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Speaker 1: And when you try to explain to them in the

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Speaker 1: real world, lions eat zebras, they go, no, no, didn't

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Speaker 1: you see the movie. And that's how you get people

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Speaker 1: like our current Secretary of State who wanders around babbling

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Speaker 1: to the Iranians, to Hamas, to Hasbellah, no idea about

724
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Speaker 1: the real world. They have no idea about the dangers

725
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Speaker 1: of Venezuelan gangs coming into America. They have no idea

726
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Speaker 1: about the danger of flash mobs looting stores. And so

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Speaker 1: I think you have to recognize that there is built

728
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Speaker 1: into modern liberalism and inability to deal with the real world. Now,

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Speaker 1: in the real world, I think it's pretty straightforward. If

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Speaker 1: you have enemies, you better be stronger than they are,

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Speaker 1: because if you're stronger than they are, they won't do anything,

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Speaker 1: and you will have peace. But if they think you're weak,

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Speaker 1: you will have war and you may be conquered. I mean,

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Speaker 1: people should look at footage of Beirut, or of Gaza,

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Speaker 1: or of Ukraine and understand this could be America. We're

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Speaker 1: not guaranteed that we had decides step history, and the

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Speaker 1: only thing that will protect us is to be strong.

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Speaker 1: And to be strong, we have to profoundly overhaul the

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Speaker 1: Defense Department, the Homeland Security Department, and the intelligence agencies. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mean use the example of the Secretary of State,

741
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Speaker 2: who's an incompetent. You know, he's one of the adults

742
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Speaker 2: that was supposedly going to be back in charge, but

743
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Speaker 2: you know, his actions clearly show that wasn't the case.

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Speaker 2: But you mentioned the DoD and you're right, what about

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Speaker 2: General Millie, you know, calling China'd be like, listen, if

746
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Speaker 2: there's ever anything, I'll let you know before America possibly.

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Speaker 2: I mean to me, it seems just treason is. But like,

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Speaker 2: if it's not treason is, it's certainly incompetent that you

749
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Speaker 2: would warn your greatest adversary about anything that you're going

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Speaker 2: to possibly do in the event that something happened in Taiwan.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't even imagine that these people could

752
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Speaker 2: possibly ascend to power.

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Speaker 3: But that's how bad it's gotten.

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Speaker 2: That to become a three and four star general, you

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Speaker 2: actually have to be a bureaucrat and a politician, not

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Speaker 2: a war fighter. Because they've been politicized, and those are

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Speaker 2: entirely political now, not anything to do with capability or

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Speaker 2: military preparedness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I think you've got to go back to

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Speaker 1: setting standards and setting objectives, promoting people who achieve those

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Speaker 1: standards and those objectives. In the case of Millie, I can't,

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Speaker 1: for the life of me understand how he's gotten by.

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Speaker 1: First of all, he was in charge of Afghanistan and

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Speaker 1: it was totally disastrously mishandling. Second, he was he said

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Speaker 1: publicly he thought the Russians would be in Kiev in

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Speaker 1: three days. There's still not in Kiev. He paid no consequences.

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Speaker 1: And third, as you point out, I don't understand under

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Speaker 1: our constitution and under the rule of law of the

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Speaker 1: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs can, without the President's permission

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Speaker 1: talk to the head of the Chinese military and reassure

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Speaker 1: them as though he was on China's side against the president.

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Speaker 1: I'd say, I mean, I literally on an army brad Listen.

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Speaker 2: Part of Trump's negotiation is that you don't know where

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Speaker 2: he's coming from. You you think he's an unknown entity.

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Speaker 2: There's not a playbook. I mean, Amelia literally took that

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Speaker 2: off the table.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Part of it is like, well, we just don't know

779
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Speaker 2: what Trump's going to do because he's unpredictable. I'm like,

780
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Speaker 2: you know, everyone else who you know, they have a playbook.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the Chinese have stolen it and probably know it.

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Speaker 2: You know, back in front, Trump was different. He kept

783
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Speaker 2: people on their toes. It's why you didn't have Russia

784
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Speaker 2: invading their allies under trumpets, why China wasn't playing those games.

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Speaker 2: It's why North Korea stopped launching missiles across Japan. That

786
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Speaker 2: seems like a no brainer. And yet and yet he

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Speaker 2: did it and there's no consequence, there's no penalty.

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Speaker 3: I mean that. I would imagine if.

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Speaker 2: Someone did that under a Trump administration who was a

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Speaker 2: conservative general and did something you know, the opposite, they'd

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Speaker 2: be court martialed in about two seconds and they'd be

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Speaker 2: out on their ass.

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Speaker 1: That's right. And look, I think it's if people just

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Speaker 1: think through the concept that you have the senior general

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Speaker 1: in the American military take it on his shoulders, yeah,

796
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Speaker 1: to circumvent the constitutional commander in chief. Remember the founding

797
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Speaker 1: fathers who wrote the Constitution under the leadership of George Washington,

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Speaker 1: who had been a commander in chief. When they put

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Speaker 1: in commander in chief, they meant it, and to have

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Speaker 1: really violate the line of authority, yeah, is I think extraordinary.

801
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Speaker 1: I don't know any parallel to it.

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Speaker 2: Well, the same people who don't know what a woman

803
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Speaker 2: is don't understand the meaning of commander in chief. So

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Speaker 2: that's a problem. So maybe to fix those problems, what

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Speaker 2: do you think the minute number one priorities? You know,

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Speaker 2: noon twelve oh one January twentieth, two thousand and twenty five,

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Speaker 2: What are the minute one priorities? And then what do

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Speaker 2: you think are the first one hundred day priorities for

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Speaker 2: the second Trump administration?

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Speaker 1: That's that's the big jump, the number one like.

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Speaker 3: Four hours, dude, you have at it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the number one priority the very first day is

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Speaker 1: closed the border period, issue the orders immediately, have it

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Speaker 1: happening by five o'clock that afternoon, and immediately people will

815
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Speaker 1: be responsive and say, you know, he's keeping his word,

816
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Speaker 1: we're getting things done. Second, I think they have to

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Speaker 1: have and I worry about this candidly, they have to

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Speaker 1: have a strategic communications plan which recruits the American people

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Speaker 1: and gets the American people engaged. For example, if virtually

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Speaker 1: every American sometime the next six to nine months sends

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Speaker 1: in an idea to the Vaike and to Elon and says,

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Speaker 1: here's the will A wing fixed this. If those as

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Speaker 1: they and I hope they'll sitm in a whole series

824
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Speaker 1: of rolling reports as rapidly as they can and not

825
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Speaker 1: wait around to write some big report, then nobody will read.

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Speaker 1: I think, then you begin to get a momentum. And

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Speaker 1: then third you've got it. I cannot overstate that you

828
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Speaker 1: have got to get the tax bill done. But the

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Speaker 1: other thing, and I'm not a lawyer, so I've been

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Speaker 1: asking some people to study this. I believe that the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court decision about bureaucracy probably means that the President

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Speaker 1: could issue in an executive order the first day that

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Speaker 1: says none of the following regulations will be considered binding

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Speaker 1: because all of them are in violation of the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: And I think that could be the largest single deregulatory

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Speaker 1: step ever taken in American history. Now yet we have

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Speaker 1: people studying it. But I have a hunch that that's

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Speaker 1: technically correct. So I would want him to be decisive, clear, direct,

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Speaker 1: and then frankly, I have enormous faith in your father.

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Speaker 1: I think he does have a strategy for Ukraine, and

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Speaker 1: I would like, you know, I hope that he will

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Speaker 1: execute that as early as he can. He'll save a

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Speaker 1: lot of lives and in the long run make a

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Speaker 1: big step towards a safer and more peaceful world.

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Speaker 2: I think that's I think another step that's sort of

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Speaker 2: be interesting. I know, I literally saw something again. I

847
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Speaker 2: don't know if it's accurate, but it seemed to accurate.

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Speaker 2: Like you know, there was a receipt and expenditure that

849
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Speaker 2: had to be a thinking where that THEDD bought it,

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Speaker 2: industrialized and sized shredder so they can shred whatever documents

851
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Speaker 2: are out there. So I'd like to create an incentive

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Speaker 2: system for the you know, the door kickers in the military,

853
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: the guys that are doing the work that have been

854
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Speaker 2: exposed to this nonsense, to be whistleblowers against the nonsense

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Speaker 2: that was going on in the higher ups, so that

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Speaker 2: we can actually again expose that to the American public

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Speaker 2: so they can see what's actually been going on, because

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Speaker 2: I think that'd be another important one for everyone to see.

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Speaker 2: We want to just have the utmost transparency.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's very important the principle that

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Speaker 1: you have to educate and inform the American people at

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Speaker 1: which point they will run their judgment. There's a great

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Speaker 1: line by Joseph Patterno, who was a Democratic politician many

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Speaker 1: many years ago, what a book called The Election Game

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Speaker 1: and How to Win It. And I'm sorry, Joseph the Politan,

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Speaker 1: and he said, never underestimate the intelligence the American people,

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Speaker 1: or overestimate the amount of information they have. And his

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Speaker 1: point was, you give them the information, they'll talk to

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Speaker 1: each other, they'll reach very solid decisions, but they're not

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Speaker 1: necessarily going to go out on their own. So I

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Speaker 1: think a very big part of this administration for the

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Speaker 1: first six months has to be making sure that the

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Speaker 1: average American gets to realize how really, really bad it's

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Speaker 1: been and how really much has to change. And if

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Speaker 1: that happens, then we'll be riding a wave of public

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Speaker 1: outrage and public in donation, and at that point we'll

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Speaker 1: be in a position, I think, to win huge victories

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Speaker 1: in the Senate, in the House, and we'll have a

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Speaker 1: bunch of Democrats all with us.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right.

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Speaker 2: So more broadly, New I've been talking a lot about

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Speaker 2: this sort of the MAGA cultural you know movement. You know,

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Speaker 2: Reagan once joked you can tell a lot about a

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Speaker 2: man's character by the way he eats chili beans. I

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Speaker 2: sort of feel the same way with my father and McDonald's.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was the guy that sort of called him,

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Speaker 2: you know, the blue collar billionaire, and people like, what

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Speaker 2: are you talking? That's ridiculous. I was like, Now, he

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Speaker 2: just he gets it. He understands real people, because, you know,

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Speaker 2: while he may be a bit of a showman here

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Speaker 2: and a little glitzy here, when he's at home, you know,

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Speaker 2: his happy place is sort of you know, eating a

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Speaker 2: burger and watching a ballgame. Can you talk a little

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Speaker 2: bit about that cultural shift in the Republican Party and

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Speaker 2: how we can carry out this MAGA mission.

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Speaker 1: Look, part of the reason you ended up with some

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Speaker 1: never trumpers was they joined the Republican Party to get

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Speaker 1: away from all that. Yeah, you know, they wanted to

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Speaker 1: go to fancy, five star restaurants, and they wanted to

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Speaker 1: be surrounded by people were nice, and they thought all

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Speaker 1: those people who were serving them had to be Democrats

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Speaker 1: because they didn't want to get associate with him. And

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Speaker 1: I've known your dad long enough to know that. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I always tell people, can you tell me if you

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Speaker 1: think this is right? I always tell people one of

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Speaker 1: the real keys is that he was a construction real

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Speaker 1: estate guy more than a finance real estate guy, and

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Speaker 1: he's out there actually building things, talking to blue collar

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Speaker 1: workers for his entire career.

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Speaker 3: I say it all the time.

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Speaker 2: That's how he was better because he listen to the

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Speaker 2: guys on the job site, he spent time with them,

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Speaker 2: He valued their opinion, perhaps in many cases much more

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Speaker 2: so than some executive you know, in an office behind

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Speaker 2: an Excel spreadsheet. So you know, that's how he knew

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Speaker 2: how to communicate with those guys. That's how he was

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Speaker 2: like them because he actually he made a lot of

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Speaker 2: money listening to them, taking their advice, and so he

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Speaker 2: trusts their advice as much as the quote unquote experts

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Speaker 2: who frankly, you know, haven't exactly been expert in getting

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Speaker 2: things right over the last few decades.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right. So I think part of and

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Speaker 1: I've always felt this about him. I used to tell

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Speaker 1: reporters when they were first trying to come to groups

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Speaker 1: with him that if the apprentice had been on PBS

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Speaker 1: immediately after doubt maybe they would have understood Trump, but

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Speaker 1: because the Apprentice was on a commercial station, not a

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Speaker 1: single political reporter in Washington never watched it, so they

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Speaker 1: had no idea that in fourteen years he had mastered

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Speaker 1: television at a level unlike anybody else. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: understood tell vision as well or better than Reagan understood movies,

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Speaker 1: and nobody understood that. Well. He hasn't lost any of

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Speaker 1: that touch, which I think is really interesting that he

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Speaker 1: spent the years in the White House, he spent the

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Speaker 1: years having people try and destroy him, and yet when

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Speaker 1: I've been with him and I've watched him, his natural

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Speaker 1: interaction with people, his natural curiosity. You know, there's this

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Speaker 1: great series that Oprah did years ago where your dad

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Speaker 1: agreed to do all the different jobs at his hotel

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Speaker 1: in Chicago. And so he's dressed like a bellman, and

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Speaker 1: he's dressed like a waiter, and he's doing all this stuff,

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Speaker 1: and you can tell he's having a ball. I mean,

943
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Speaker 1: he thinks it's fun to be out here doing different things.

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Speaker 1: You have the same thing out of the garbage truck.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think deep down he thought this was

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Speaker 1: a kick and a lot better than normal campaigning and

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Speaker 1: of course coming in wearing the vest, and you know

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Speaker 1: he managed to take that vest and turn it into

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Speaker 1: a twenty minute riff. I don't know that there's another

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Speaker 1: politician in America who could have done it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he talks with the American people, not at them,

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Speaker 2: and that seems to be a big difference between him

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Speaker 2: and so many of the other people out there. So,

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Speaker 2: mister speaker, new Gingrish, thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Really appreciate it. Guys.

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Speaker 2: You know when new talks listen because this is a

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Speaker 2: man who's done it all and gets it. So we

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Speaker 2: really appreciate you always being there. Newt thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for your time and I look forward to seeing

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Speaker 2: you in persons again soon.

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Speaker 3: Take care you will.

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