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Speaker 2: I'm katelie Lines alongside Joe Matthew here in Washington, where

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Speaker 2: we have kept an eye all week on the Middle

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Speaker 2: East after a series of events between Israel and Hesbela

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Speaker 2: pager explosions followed by walkie talkie explosions that have been

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Speaker 2: blamed on Israel, though Israel has not taken credit. Now

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Speaker 2: more strikes today in the suburbs of Beirut that have

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Speaker 2: killed another senior Hesbela commander. We have heard from the

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Speaker 2: Israeli military spokesperson, Real Admiral Daniel Hgari, just within the

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Speaker 2: last hour or so in a televised briefing show. He says,

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Speaker 2: we are not seeking a broad regional escalation, but even

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Speaker 2: if they're not sneak seeking it, the fear is that

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Speaker 2: it could still create.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is it too late to turn back after what's

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Speaker 3: already been done? Here and questions at the White House

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Speaker 3: about the future of a ceasefire deal. As we mentioned,

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Speaker 3: President Biden refuting reports out there today that they have

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Speaker 3: turned away from this. And we're joined at the table

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Speaker 3: now by Nick Wadhams, who of course runs our National

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Speaker 3: security team here in Washington, d C. And has been

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Speaker 3: a very helpful hand on this story throughout the week. Nick,

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Speaker 3: it's great to have you back. Maybe you can describe

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Speaker 3: the moment that we're in here as we wait for

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Speaker 3: the next shoe to drop, right, and the White House

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Speaker 3: all be happening at once.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think a couple issues here. One is ceasefire

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Speaker 4: is just not going to happen anytime soon. Is the

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Speaker 4: I think have a feeling that this is really not

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Speaker 4: and well into next year. So that's one issue. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's so interesting to me the comments you side from

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Speaker 4: the spokesman saying they don't want an escalation. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the big question is are we headed toward the precipice

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Speaker 4: on a regional war? And when you look at this

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Speaker 4: back and forth, the pager explosions. You know, more than

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Speaker 4: twenty five people killed. Hesbill shoots about one hundred and

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Speaker 4: I mean, it feels like we're in it. So you know,

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Speaker 4: how much worse can it get? It can get a

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Speaker 4: I don't know what else open conflict would look like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does strike me that this is not necessarily

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Speaker 2: And when Israel says our goal is not to start

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Speaker 2: the north of the country, what if a war is

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Speaker 2: required to do that. These aren't mutually exclusive.

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Speaker 4: Things, right, And there's some questions from the administration as

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Speaker 3: Well, it just does escalate it. We see Hesbelah, for instance,

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Speaker 4: Quickly, right, I think what you would see is more

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Speaker 2: And I wonder as we kind of talk about not

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Speaker 4: that is a scenario that no one really wants. I mean,

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Speaker 4: that's why I think you've also seen this sort of

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Speaker 4: and it sort of feels like all sides sort of

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Speaker 4: we still at least see that scenario holding where where

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Speaker 4: all sides agree listen, we do not want this to

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Speaker 2: Right, Bloomberg's Nick Wadams, who leads our national security cover.

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Speaker 2: Has been a long weeks for you. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for your continued reporting on this, and we want

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Speaker 2: to get more on what's happening in the Middle East

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Speaker 2: and other issues. Now live from Capitol Hill, where we're

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Speaker 2: joined by a member of the House Armed Services Committee,

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Speaker 2: Congresswoman Mikey Cheryl from New Jersey, the Democrat, is with

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Speaker 2: us now. She of course, is a former Navy helicopter

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Speaker 2: pilot herself. Congresswoman, thank you so much for being here

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Speaker 2: with us on Bloomberg TV and radio. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: how much have you heard of our conversation with our

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Speaker 2: very own Nick Waddams there, But how concerned are you

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Speaker 2: that there is potential for miscalculation or escalation from either

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Speaker 2: Israel or from Hesbela that ultimately could result in US

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Speaker 5: I'm incredibly concerned, and I think something that if I

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Speaker 5: having some very hard conversations with my Israeli colleagues about

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Speaker 5: and that's something I have big questions about. What is

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Speaker 5: somehow they were going to show Hisbolla that they had

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Speaker 5: won this by exploding these pages, I think is very questionable,

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Speaker 5: to say the least, and it's also a question about

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Speaker 5: the larger strategy with respect to Gaza, because we know

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Speaker 5: US forces have already been put in peril, so Israel

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Speaker 5: We've been working overtime to try to have a cease

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Speaker 5: hearing reports that he and Netnyahu have a rift. So

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Speaker 5: there is a real question right now as to how

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Speaker 5: we move forward and make sure that this does not devolve.

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Speaker 5: One of the things that scared me about the conversation

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Speaker 3: Well, I can hear the concern in your voice, Congresswoman,

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Speaker 3: guess my question is how far are you prepared to go?

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Speaker 3: Then this could happen at any moment, if something did

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Speaker 3: there is a concerted retaliatory strike against Israel that could

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Speaker 3: involve ballistic missiles. What role should we ask our airmen

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Speaker 5: Well, that that is why we are working so hard

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Speaker 5: to not get to that point. The United States has

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Speaker 5: create regional stability, I think with our you know, with Israel,

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Speaker 2: Of course, as we consider the role the US could

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Speaker 5: We do need a clean continuing resolution, and those are

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Speaker 5: with continuing resolutions for the DoD. They do not allow

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Speaker 5: for new start programs. So all of the programs that

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Speaker 5: don't have next year's appropriations past, they have to stay

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Speaker 5: at this year's numbers. This all comes at a time

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Speaker 5: seeing some real concerns about how we fund the military

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Speaker 5: of the future and where we are investing. We need

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Speaker 5: to be more innovative. We need to figure out how

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Speaker 5: to do this more economically, in many cases with off

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Speaker 5: the shelf technology. But these conversations will come to a

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Speaker 5: halt if we are simply operating on last year's appropriations.

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Speaker 3: Well, how about we deal with the matter at hand first? Though,

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Speaker 3: in eleven days, is the government going to shut down?

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Speaker 5: You know, I think from what I am hearing, we

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Speaker 2: She's the first female athlete to receive this honor.

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Speaker 3: A big deal here for pharmacy benefits managers and a

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Speaker 3: story that Bloomberg's Tyler Kendall has been working on for weeks.

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Speaker 3: We can finally bring you some information now on what

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Speaker 3: of something larger. Tyler. Thanks for being with us here

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Speaker 9: What do we know?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Hey, Joe So, a Federal Trade Commissions source tells

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Speaker 10: me that this has been a long time coming. The

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Speaker 11: The PBMs are called their pharmacy benefit Managers were created

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Speaker 10: So, Joe, this FTC suit and administrative action actually caps

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Speaker 10: off a two year investigation by the agencies into PBMs

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Speaker 10: A report recently released by the FTC finds that these

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Speaker 10: Definitely. Well, it's notable that in this particular administrative action,

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Speaker 3: Well, this is great information. That's something that you'll continue

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Speaker 3: Find more on the terminal and online. And a great

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Speaker 3: Is this something that people in North Carolina were already

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Speaker 12: In fact, some of his primary opponents, Dale Folwell, the

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Speaker 3: Well, there you go. It's not lost on us that

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Speaker 3: this all dropped the day before the ballot deadline. You

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Speaker 3: kind of wonder where the oppo book was until now.

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Speaker 3: But we did hear from Mark Robinson. We should hear

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Speaker 3: from him now for the sake of our audience. He

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Speaker 13: You all have seen to have truth and outright lives

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Speaker 13: of Josh Stein on these ads over and over again.

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Speaker 13: And now a story leaked by him the CNN is

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Speaker 13: up hearing. Now, let me reassure you the things that

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Speaker 13: you will see in that story, those are not the

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Speaker 13: words of Mark Robinson. You know my words, you know

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Speaker 13: my character, and you know that I have been completely

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Speaker 13: transparent in this race and before.

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Speaker 3: Well, Michael, it does seem you know his words, and

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Speaker 3: you don't sound surprised today. How about the people of

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Speaker 3: North Carolina. This has got to be the top story locally.

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Speaker 12: It is indeed locally and across the state. And I

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Speaker 12: think really the fallout is still descending upon the state.

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Speaker 12: You know, we've already had some local Republicans say, you

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Speaker 12: know what, for the good of the party, you need

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Speaker 12: to withdraw this was yesterday. We've had one now state senator,

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Speaker 12: a Democrat, say you need to resign as lieutenant governor

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Speaker 12: as well. But he was very adamant in his video

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Speaker 12: post that came out about ten minutes before the CNN

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Speaker 12: article was posted and said he wasn't going anywhere. And

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Speaker 12: so the ballots have been mailed out to military personnel

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Speaker 12: as of midnight last night. The ballots will go out

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Speaker 12: to North Carolinians next week who have requested absentee by

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Speaker 12: mail ballots. So we have Mark Robinson on the ballot

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Speaker 12: for November.

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Speaker 3: Fifth, and boy, he's not doing well in the poll

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Speaker 3: the most too well. The two recent I was looking

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Speaker 3: at today the Hill and Emerson College as Josh Stein

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Speaker 3: leading Mark Robinson by eight forty eight to forty percent.

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Speaker 3: The Carolina Journal Signal poll find Stein leading Robinson forty

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Speaker 3: six to thirty nine, a seven point lead. If this

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Speaker 3: race is lost for Republicans, what does it mean for

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Speaker 3: the top of the ticket where there is a one

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Speaker 3: point race here depending on where you look the two

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Speaker 3: I just mentioned, you've got Harris leading Trump by one

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Speaker 3: and Trump leading Harris by one. So this thing is tied.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and everybody is expecting it to be tied until

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Speaker 12: November fifth. I mean, we are basically a fifty one

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Speaker 12: forty nine Republican federal state and a fifty one forty

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Speaker 12: nine Democratic statewide state executive office state. And so certainly

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Speaker 12: the question is if the fallout from the Robinson campaign

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Speaker 12: and this article does affect the top of the ballot,

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Speaker 12: but also down the ballot as well. We've also got

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Speaker 12: some controversial Republican candidates, one of whom is running for

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Speaker 12: Superintendent of Public Instruction, very controversial statements made by her

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Speaker 12: as well. The question becomes does the Robinson issue affect

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Speaker 12: down the ballot as well and also into the state

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Speaker 12: legislative races. The expectation is that Republicans will continue to

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Speaker 12: control the North Carolina General Assembly, but they are at

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Speaker 12: super majority numbers that is potentially in danger now. So

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Speaker 12: it's going to have a huge consequence. We're going to

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Speaker 12: have to wait for at least a week to see

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Speaker 12: the actual dynamics. But this was really brought on by

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Speaker 12: Republican primary voters. Two thirds of them supported Mark Robinson

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Speaker 12: he was the Trump candidate. Two years ago. They supported

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Speaker 12: Ted budd and Mark Walker as the Trump candidate. Two

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Speaker 12: thirds of them voted for those two candidates. So this

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Speaker 12: is really the North Carolina Trump Republican Party.

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Speaker 3: Well, Donald Trump called him Martin Luther King on steroids.

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Speaker 3: I wonder does this move MAGA voters Trump supporters in

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Speaker 3: North Carolina or is this really about affecting the few

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Speaker 3: undecided voters that you have left.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, we're about a three percent undecided or persuadable voters

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Speaker 12: who bounce down the ballot. I think that this will

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Speaker 12: really have an impact on them. The other core constituency

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Speaker 12: is what I would call the Nicky Haley primary Republican voter.

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Speaker 12: We've already seen major Republicans in North Carolina start Republicans

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Speaker 12: for Harris. Yesterday we saw Republicans for Stein. So if

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Speaker 12: there is a significant percentage of Republicans who say I

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Speaker 12: just can't support either the presidential or the gubernatorial candidates,

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Speaker 12: that small sliver of Republicans flipping over and going against

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Speaker 12: party loyalty to vot democratic would have huge consequences electorally.

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Speaker 12: Come November fifth.

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Speaker 3: When do your early ballots go out? I remember they

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Speaker 3: were delayed because of the RFK lawsuit. When are people

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Speaker 3: actually going to start voting in North Carolina before November.

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Speaker 12: So we'll actually probably have ballots from the military overseas

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Speaker 12: voters registered and accounted for tomorrow. Those ballots went out

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Speaker 12: today all residentials North Carolinians who have requested an absentee

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Speaker 12: by mail ballot. We'll get those next week, so we'll

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Speaker 12: start accumulating banking those ballots. But the big push will

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Speaker 12: really be absentee in person, the early voting Yes, that

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Speaker 12: will start on October seventeenth. The vast bulk of ballots

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Speaker 12: will be cast before November fifth, so.

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Speaker 3: Less than a month away. And this thing drops, you

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Speaker 3: know in our minute left, Michael, what does this mean

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Speaker 3: for the Kamala Harris campaign. Is it time to flood

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Speaker 3: the zone in North Carolina.

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Speaker 12: I think we're already seeing it. She's got ads running

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Speaker 12: up on various social media platforms tying Donald Trump to

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Speaker 12: Mark Robinson. You're going to see other Democrats do that.

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Speaker 12: Jeff Jackson has done that to Dan Bishop in our

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Speaker 12: attorney general race. She has really put in the infrastructure

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Speaker 12: and the resources. I would not be surprised if she

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Speaker 12: just doesn't start flooding the state with those kinds of

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Speaker 3: Well, are we glad we found j Michael Bitzer This

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Speaker 3: is great, Michael, thank you so much. But he's not

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Speaker 3: just running the Department of Politics at Kataba College. You

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Speaker 3: can find him on Twitter or x with the handle

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Speaker 3: bow Tie Politics. Michael, have you ever met Tom Keen

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Speaker 3: here at Bloomberg? Do you guys hang out on the weekends?

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Speaker 12: I have not, but I would be honored to do so.

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Speaker 3: We're going to make this happen. Remember I asked you this.

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Speaker 3: We're going to connect you guys. I think you might

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Speaker 3: have been separated earlier in life, but I hope that

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Speaker 3: you come back and talk to us about what in

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Speaker 3: the world is going to happen next in North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: J Michael Bitzer. What a treat to have him with

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Speaker 3: us here.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast. Catch

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Speaker 3: On the trail. Today, it is Kamala Harris back in

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Speaker 3: the Swing States doing Atlanta, Georgia. We've got a campaign

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Speaker 3: event the three o'clock hour here focused on the state's

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Speaker 3: abortion band. She's going to Madison, Wisconsin for a nighttime event,

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Speaker 3: and then back to Washington. Yes, it's the swing states

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Speaker 3: that matter, but as we look across the country, a

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Speaker 3: lot of other states that we're going to be focusing

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Speaker 3: on here that have been impacted by what many refer

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Speaker 3: to as the crisis at the border. And when you

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Speaker 3: consider the backdrop here of what's happening in Springfield, Ohio

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Speaker 3: and to a lesser degree, Aurora, California, Colorado, it brings

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Speaker 3: you to a really fascinating column here, a big take

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Speaker 3: at Bloomberg by our friend Sean Donnan, who shares the

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Speaker 3: byline here migrants are settling in thriving blue counties, not

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Speaker 3: the red counties that need them. This is a great

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Speaker 3: piece again of research, data driven journalism that brings truth

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Speaker 3: to something that we hear a lot of platitudes about.

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Speaker 3: Remembering that the Republican refrain about Democrats is they want

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Speaker 3: as many illegal aliens and migrants to come across that

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Speaker 3: border in any form they can get to change the

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Speaker 3: shape of the electorate. Elon Musk talks about this a lot,

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Speaker 3: that you'll turn the entire country into this immigrant driven

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Speaker 3: communist state. Eventually you will only have Democrats elected. But

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Speaker 3: let's get real. This is Bloomberg. Let's find out where

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Speaker 3: this is actually happening. Few issues. Figure is prominently as

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Speaker 3: immigration as the column states, and more importantly here in

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Speaker 3: terms of background, Bloomberg News analyzed immigration court data obtained

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Speaker 3: by researchers at Syracuse University that actually show where the

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Speaker 3: one point eight million asylum seekers and refugees who landed

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Speaker 3: in the US in the year twenty twenty three have

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Speaker 3: taken up residents. That's where we start our conversation with

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Speaker 3: Sean Donnan, aforementioned Bloomberg Senior writer for Economics and with

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Speaker 3: us again on the program. Sean, it's great to see you.

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Speaker 3: Congrats again on just a big piece of work here,

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Speaker 3: and I love these stories that bring truth to very

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Speaker 3: controversial topics that people talk about a lot without knowing

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Speaker 3: a lot. What are you learning here based on these

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Speaker 3: one point eight million people and where they've settled.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, thanks, thanks so much. I appreciate the kind words.

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Speaker 9: I think you know, we set out here to really

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Speaker 9: this is a huge animating issue in this year's election.

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Speaker 9: We also know that that election is likely to be

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Speaker 9: have good data on undocumented migrants because many now, if

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Speaker 9: notice to appear, and when they do that, they nominate

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Speaker 9: been for many years at where immigrants are going. And

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Speaker 9: you know, part of this is unsurprising. We're seeing immigrants

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Speaker 9: to America today do what immigrants to America have done

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Speaker 9: for centuries, and that is to go to the places

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Speaker 9: where there's economic opportunity unity right where there's a local

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Speaker 9: that there are shortages of workers in many places, and

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Speaker 9: in fact, some of the counties that need workers most

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Speaker 9: places that have a shrinking population that are really really

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Speaker 9: facing an existential dilemma. And those are the places often

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Speaker 9: that are supporting Donald Trump most heavily, or have in

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Speaker 9: past elections, and where you really see this kind of

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Speaker 9: to survive, and that is more workers. And the politics

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Speaker 9: this year, and especially the heated politics around immigration, well this.

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Speaker 3: Is fascinating stuff as you find in the battleground states

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Speaker 3: that will decide the election. And we'll stick with these

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Speaker 3: seven for now, as we kind of do every day

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Speaker 3: on this program. About seventy two percent of migrants in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three went to Biden counties. So you just

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Speaker 3: said a couple of things, Sean. Was that because of

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Speaker 3: economic opportunity? Was it because of more friendly policies in

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Speaker 3: Blue states? Or was it because of just the cultural

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Speaker 3: lay of the land in what we call Biden States

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Speaker 3: or all of the above.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, look, I think the answer is a combination of

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Speaker 9: all all of the above. We also know that the

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Speaker 9: you know, the biggest population centers are are are often

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Speaker 9: plays into it. They are bigger economies to kind of

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Speaker 9: local or municipal level, So you know, I think that's

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Speaker 9: part of it. But you also have you know, we

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Speaker 9: spent part of our time in reporting this piece in

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Speaker 9: Gwinnett County, Georgia, which is just outside of Atlanta and

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Speaker 9: is a place that has for decades now seen its

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Speaker 9: that has settled there over the last twenty thirty years

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Speaker 9: and that has really transformed the county and so on.

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Speaker 9: It's a place that prides itself on being welcoming to

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Speaker 9: migrants and to people from other cultures, and that is

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Speaker 9: really there in the local governments there, in the services.

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Speaker 9: We went to the local schools where you know, they

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Speaker 9: literally have an office with translators and other councilors that's

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Speaker 9: set up to welcome new immigrants who are settling in

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Speaker 9: But one of the things you run into there is

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Speaker 9: that even the people who work day to day with

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Speaker 9: migrants in the community say, you know, we're really running

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Speaker 9: up against the kind of limit of our ability to

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Speaker 9: service these people, to cope with these people. A big

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Speaker 9: part of the draw in Gwinnett County or places like

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Speaker 9: it has been affordable housing. Well, you know, as we

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Speaker 9: are seeing in other parts of the country, the cost

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Speaker 9: of housing has gone up significantly, and that's bred some

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Speaker 9: resentment towards local or migrants who arriving in Gwenett County,

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Speaker 9: the new migrants who arrive, So you know, it's there

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Speaker 9: is this kind of complicated tension where in some of

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Speaker 9: these welcoming blue counties they're also struggling to deliver services.

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Speaker 9: That's certainly something you see in places like Massachusetts, where

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Speaker 9: there's a big debate now about the load of new migrants.

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Speaker 3: They're sure is as we underscore and you already mentioned,

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Speaker 3: though few migrants are settling in some of the red

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Speaker 3: counties that need them most, and by extension, few migrants

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Speaker 3: settling in counties that saw GDP decline. Does that become

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Speaker 3: a self fulfilling prophecy as we move forward?

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Speaker 9: Look, I think increasingly in the US, and you can

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Speaker 9: argue the world today, you know, people are the key

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Speaker 9: and population is the key to economic growth, you know,

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Speaker 9: and that's you know, a huge part of American history

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Speaker 9: as well. You know, through the nineteenth century. Part of

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Speaker 9: the reason that the US grew so strongly through that

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Speaker 9: that century was just a huge amount of migrants who

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Speaker 9: immigration leading to growth in the United States and very

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Speaker 9: much when you talk to economic development people on the ground,

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Speaker 9: you know, and I've done that in around Swing States

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Speaker 9: this year. One of the key themes that are the

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Speaker 9: do you have the housing? Do you have the kind

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Speaker 9: of skilled workforce that I need to do that? And

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Speaker 9: we see this in you know, in Springfield, Ohio and

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Speaker 9: the debate as well there, you know, the reason a

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Speaker 9: because there's a lot of companies there who have been

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Speaker 9: looking for workers, and the Haitians have found opportunity there.

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Speaker 3: Really remarkable, as you point out, in past decades we

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Speaker 3: might not have been able to get all of this

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Speaker 3: information more now, more border crossers are turning themselves in

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Speaker 3: to apply for asylum and eventually a work permit, which

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Speaker 3: gives us sewn a better view of this than we've

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Speaker 3: ever had, isn't it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah? Look, and I think there's also and some of

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Speaker 9: my colleagues at Bloomberg have done some fantastic report reporting

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Speaker 9: around the immigration court system here in the United States

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Speaker 9: and just how overloaded it is. So we should be

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Speaker 9: clear here. You know, asylum seekers, you lodge an application

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Speaker 9: for asylum and then you can wait years to hear

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Speaker 9: whether or not that is accepted or not. And during

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Speaker 9: that time, many migrants do get work authorization as they're

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Speaker 9: waiting to hear the results of their case, and if

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Speaker 9: they are eventually rejected, then they are asked to leave

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Speaker 9: the country. In Atlanta, you kind of see an interesting

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Speaker 9: paradox there as well, and this is something the people

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Speaker 9: who work with new arrivals new migrants underground. We're talking

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Speaker 9: with me about when I was there earlier this summer,

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Speaker 9: and that is that the local immigration court there is

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Speaker 9: in fact one of the strictest in the country in

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Speaker 9: terms of how it treats asylum applications. Eighty three percent.

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Speaker 9: And this is based on a Bloomberg investigation that was

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Speaker 9: done our this year. Yeah, I'm eighty three percent of

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Speaker 9: asylum seekers who have their cases in that Atlantic court

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Speaker 9: are going to have their cases rejected.

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Speaker 3: Amazing. This is really important stuff. Sean thinks I compliment

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Speaker 3: him for the fun of it, But this is Bloomberg

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Speaker 3: at its best. Find the big take of Sean donnan

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Speaker 3: on the terminal and online. This is Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast. Can

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Speaker 2: We're going to take it now down from Washington to

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Speaker 2: North Carolina, where the gubernatorial race has been rocked by

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Speaker 2: a story published yesterday by CNN about Republican gubernatorial candidate

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Speaker 2: and current Lieutenant governor Mark Robinson, in which he about

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Speaker 2: a decade ago posted on a number of online porn

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Speaker 2: forums and others suggesting that he is a quote black

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Speaker 2: Nazi and referring to himself at one point as a

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Speaker 2: quote perv some disparaging language around Martin Luther King Junior

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Speaker 2: as well. Donald Trump, of course, has called Mark Robinson

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Speaker 2: Martin Luther King Junior on steroids in the past. Now

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Speaker 2: we should point out that Mark Robinson does deny these allegations.

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Speaker 2: He posted this video in response yesterday.

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Speaker 13: You all have seen to have truth and outright lives

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Speaker 13: of Josh Stein on these ads over and over again.

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Speaker 13: And now a story leaked by him to see Ann

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Speaker 13: is up hearing.

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Speaker 9: Now, let me reassure you.

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Speaker 13: The things that you will see in that story, those

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Speaker 13: are not the words of Mark Robinson.

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Speaker 9: You know my words, you know my character, and you.

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Speaker 13: Know that I have been completely transparent in this race.

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Speaker 3: And before a couple of important things to note here, Canley,

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Speaker 3: this is the only Democratic held governorship that is up

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Speaker 3: for election in this campaign in a state that Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump won in twenty twenty, So we were watching this

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Speaker 3: really closely all, Yes, it's It was at least too

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Speaker 3: close to call at one point, which made it one

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Speaker 3: of the most expensive races. It is not too close

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Speaker 3: to call any longer. The hill Emerson College finds an

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Speaker 3: eight point spread Josh Stein leading Mark Robinson. Carolina Journals

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Speaker 3: Signal poll finds a seven point lead by Josh Stein,

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Speaker 3: the Democrat. But one other important factor here is there

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Speaker 3: was a deadline at midnight. If they were going to

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Speaker 3: get Mark Robinson off the ballot, it would have had

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Speaker 3: to happen before then. So the ballot is codified, and

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Speaker 3: this is our.

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Speaker 2: Race well, and perhaps most important of all, on that ballot,

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Speaker 2: Mark Robinson's name will appear with Donald Trump's. And the

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Speaker 2: question is not just what it means for the outcome

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Speaker 2: of the gubernatorial race, but also what it means for

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Speaker 2: the outcome of the electoral college vote of North Carolina,

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Speaker 2: which a Democrat has not won since two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 2: But Poles suggest is neck and neck between Trump and Harris.

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Speaker 3: That would be a one point race according to the

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Speaker 3: same two poles I just mentioned. So let's assemble our

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Speaker 3: panel for their take on this. Jenni Shanzano is with us,

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Speaker 3: of course, Democratic analysts political science professor Iona University and

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Speaker 3: Bloomberg Politics contributor. Also joined today by Republican strategist more

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Speaker 3: A Gillespie Blue Stack Strategies. It's great to have you

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Speaker 3: both with us here.

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Speaker 6: Mora.

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Speaker 3: I'll start with you. I hate to pull you into

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Speaker 3: such a salacious story, but this is something that will

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Speaker 3: rock the race, to Kaylee's point, and we're wondering what

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Speaker 3: this means for the top of the ticket. We should

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Speaker 3: note Mark Robinson was already not sharing a stage because

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Speaker 3: of some concerns over his rhetoric with Donald Trump. What

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Speaker 6: Well, what's frustrating for the Republican Party is that presumably this

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Speaker 6: man was vetted, and yet Trump, the more president, still

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Speaker 6: endorsed him, knowing that he called women who advocated for

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Speaker 6: birth control to be witches, wanted women to no longer

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Speaker 6: have the vote, would like to go back to that

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Speaker 6: time he talked about wanting to have slaves, he wanted

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Speaker 6: you know, the list goes on, and I won't say

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Speaker 6: it all here, but the things that he has publicly said,

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Speaker 6: with videos to it doesn't bode well.

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Speaker 7: And yet the for a President endorsed him.

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Speaker 6: And so now we're taking this backstep to try and

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Speaker 6: diss himself.

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Speaker 7: It feels really too little, too late.

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Speaker 6: But I think what's going to be damaging in North

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Speaker 6: Carolina typically is the fact that people may not want

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Speaker 6: to turn out to vote because they are not going

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Speaker 6: to feel comfortable to go and sit and hit the

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Speaker 6: Republican button for Trump and then have a go down

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Speaker 6: ballot and their vote cast for someone like Mark Robinson.

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Speaker 6: So I think what you're going to see is people

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Speaker 6: maybe not turning out to vote, and that'll be a

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Speaker 6: huge problem with the Trump campaign, but also just you know,

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Speaker 6: speaking across the state, it is a problem.

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Speaker 2: Well, so, Genie, then the question becomes what the Democratic

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Speaker 2: ticket does in response. If you're Kamala Harris's campaign, are

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Speaker 2: you saying great, now is an opportunity to double down

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Speaker 2: and throw resources into North Carolina or are you thinking, Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: we can still focus on those blue wall states. We

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Speaker 2: have to win. This is just a nice to win

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Speaker 2: and perhaps this story takes care of it for us.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. I think they have the resources with their fundraising

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Speaker 8: they've done, which has been amazing to spend on both

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Speaker 8: They obviously have to try to get those blue wall states.

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Speaker 8: That's priority number one. But North Carolina one point at

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Speaker 8: this at this moment, that is something that they can

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Speaker 8: pick up and that would be a huge boost. Imagine

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Speaker 8: a scenario where Donald Trump loses Pennsylvania but can still

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Speaker 8: win the electoral College if he holds North Carolina and

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Speaker 8: he loses because of Mark Robinson. I mean, Donald Trump

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Speaker 8: has done this to himself. This is herschel Walker all

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Speaker 8: over again.

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Speaker 13: Right.

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Speaker 8: Mitch McConnell said, candidates matter. They matter an awful lot.

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Speaker 8: And I have to tell you, just personally, when I

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Speaker 8: heard yesterday about this uproar, I thought, what else, given

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Speaker 8: a litany of things Mora just told us, could he

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Speaker 8: have done which would outrage people so much. I mean,

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Speaker 8: this is a man who's an anti semi he is

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Speaker 8: a Holocaust denier, he has anti LGBTQ rights, he has

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Speaker 8: anti women. I mean he has said all of these

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Speaker 8: things publicly, so you know to hear there is more here.

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Speaker 8: I couldn't imagine what it was. It's not even something

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Speaker 8: you can say on television. It is so awful. And

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Speaker 8: this is what's not The Republicans now running scared because

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Speaker 8: this guy is kryptonite up and down the ballot, and

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Speaker 8: he threatens not just himself and the Republicans of North Carolina,

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Speaker 8: but Donald Trump. So it's a mess Donald Trump has

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Speaker 8: made and he's going to have to deal with it

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Speaker 8: because this guy is now.

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Speaker 7: On the ballot.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's in North Carolina tomorrow night. Right, This'll be

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Speaker 3: interesting to see how he handles this, if he addresses

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Speaker 3: it at all, and what the chant in the crowd

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Speaker 3: will be. We should know, by the way, that the

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Speaker 3: governor of North Carolina, Governor Cooper, is going to be

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Speaker 3: sitting down for an interview with Anne Marie hor Dern

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Speaker 3: coming up just about two hours from now three thirty

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Speaker 3: pm Eastern time here on Bloomberg TV and Radio, and

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Speaker 3: you better believe this will come up. We should note

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Speaker 3: as well that in North Carolina, the governor and Lieutenant

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Speaker 3: governor are elected separately, they were not part of a

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Speaker 3: single ticket. So he'll be speaking as a Democrat in

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Speaker 3: this case about a Republican. Laura, I want to ask

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Speaker 3: you about what happened in Nevada today. Is well, so

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Speaker 3: you've got a forced error in North Carolina that could

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Speaker 3: bring a state to Kamala Harris, and you've got a

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court ruling that could bring her the state of

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Speaker 3: Nevada depends on how the math shakes out, but the

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court is cited with a state court in Nevada

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Speaker 3: to keep the Green Party Jill Stein off the ballot

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Speaker 3: because apparently signatures were not qualified properly in terms of

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Speaker 3: each signatory being registered to vote in the county of residents.

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Speaker 3: That's one or two points based on Bloomberg's swing state

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Speaker 3: poll that Jill Stein might automatically give Kamala Harris. Did

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Speaker 3: she just win two states without doing any work well?

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Speaker 6: And that's the interesting thing about this entire stretch of times,

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Speaker 6: as Joe Biden dropped out has been is if Kamala

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Speaker 6: Harris could just stay the course and stay steady appealing

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Speaker 6: to a wide kind of voter population.

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Speaker 7: She might be able to skate through and win this thing.

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Speaker 6: Because Donald Trump, the poor President, has derailed himself and

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Speaker 6: his campaign at every turn in this situation with Nevada.

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Speaker 6: What's interesting is that it sounds as though, you know,

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Speaker 6: when Jeannie said, candidates matter absolutely, but also following the

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Speaker 6: proper forms also matters, And it looks as though that's

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Speaker 6: what the mistake of the Green Party was when it

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Speaker 6: comes to jail Stein and Nevada. So it's it's just

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Speaker 6: these major mistakes, but some obviously with Donald Trump, he's

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Speaker 6: doing them populated. I mean, he's not you know, he's yesterday,

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Speaker 6: he's speaking to a group about trying to talk about

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Speaker 6: anti Semitism and then ends up blaming the Jewish population.

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Speaker 7: He cannot control himself or his ego.

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Speaker 6: And when you have an unsatiable ego, that's just dangerous

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Speaker 6: and it's a recipe for disaster.

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Speaker 7: And we're seeing that play out.

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Speaker 6: And Kamala Harris, all she has to do is sit

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Speaker 6: back and watch it, essentially and just continue to talk

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Speaker 6: in really like in big terms, because she doesn't have

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Speaker 6: to get into the nitty gritty things because Trump is

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Speaker 6: imploding in himself.

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Speaker 2: Well, Maura, I'm glad you raised his words. At what

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Speaker 2: was an anti Semitism summit yesterday, Donald Trump trying to

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Speaker 2: court Jewish donors, and he said, quote, in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: the Jewish people would have a lot to do with

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Speaker 2: a loss, going on to say it's only because of

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Speaker 2: the democratic hold or curse on you. And that's not

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Speaker 2: all we heard from Donald Trump. At the same event

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Speaker 2: last night. He also talked about reviving the Muslim ban

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Speaker 2: that was put into place under his administration.

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Speaker 14: Take a listen, yeah, well, ban refugee resettlement from terror

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Speaker 14: infested areas like the Gaza Strip, and we will seal

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Speaker 14: our border and bring back the travel ban. Remember the

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Speaker 14: famous travel ban. We didn't take people from certain areas

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Speaker 14: of the world because I didn't want to have people

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Speaker 14: ripping down and burning our shopping centers and killing people.

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Speaker 14: But we're not taking them from invested countries.

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Speaker 2: I should have been more careful with my words there.

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Speaker 2: Muslim travel ban, obviously is what he's advocating for. Once more, Genie,

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Speaker 2: you take these two things together, does any of it

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Speaker 2: do what Donald Trump maybe was trying to accomplish bringing

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Speaker 2: more Jewish voters specifically onto his side.

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Speaker 8: You know, I don't know yet. We really haven't seen

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Speaker 8: at least I haven't seen a lot of polling to

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Speaker 8: suggest that there is a large continent of the Jewish

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Speaker 8: community who was happy with some of what he did

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Speaker 8: when he was in office, and they feel that he

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Speaker 8: is a big supporter, maybe bigger than Biden and Harris

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Speaker 8: by their estimation of Israel. That said, you listen to

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Speaker 8: the language and that clip you just played, and you

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Speaker 8: look at that in the context of infested countries vermin

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Speaker 8: This is fascist language one oh one. It's the kind

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Speaker 8: he has used throughout his time in public life he

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Speaker 8: continues to use. And it of course underscores what the

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Speaker 8: Republicans are trying to do here, which is to keep

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Speaker 8: pointing to the issue of immigration because they feel that

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Speaker 8: is an issue that they can win on. And he

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Speaker 8: wants the United States to go back to something he

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Speaker 8: did when he was in office the first time, or

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Speaker 8: tried to do, which is the Muslim band. And so

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Speaker 8: if people listen carefully and the Harris's campaign has got

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Speaker 8: it with this, do they want to go back to that?

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Speaker 8: And the answer, you know, I would suggest is no,

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Speaker 8: because the polling the first time wasn't as supportive of

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Speaker 8: that as Donald Trump may have liked.

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Speaker 3: Mara, we only have one minute left. Does the Muslim

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Speaker 3: ban simply keep the base or add voters to Trump's column.

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Speaker 6: It's a talkie port that year members from from year's

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Speaker 6: past and from the twenty sixteen, so he's just recycling it.

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Speaker 6: When he goes into these diatribes, he does just use

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Speaker 6: old terms and old things that he knows that will

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Speaker 6: rile the base. So when you let in saying, you know,

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Speaker 6: he was trying to court large Jewish donors. I don't

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Speaker 6: know that he was trying to court Jewish owners the

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Speaker 6: way he spoke to them and pointing the finger at

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Speaker 6: them and blaming them for his presumed potential loss. Again,

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Speaker 6: this is a terrible strategy, and I highly doubt that

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Speaker 6: his campaign had.

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Speaker 7: Directed him to do such, you know, damage at this event.

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Speaker 2: All right, Mara Gillespie Bluestack Strategies are Republican panelists today

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Speaker 2: alongside Democratic panelists and Bloomberg Politics contributor Genie Shanzino of

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Speaker 2: the Center for the Study of the Democracy and Congress.

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Speaker 2: Thank you both so much.

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