1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: We've been discussing the Marxist revolution that has been underway 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: in this country for a long time, particularly on college campuses. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: We're seeing those efforts from the left bear fruit now 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: as a hostile takeover is happening at universities across the country, 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: where we see Prohamas students, Marxist students occupy a hall 6 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: at Columbia University, videos of these students clashing with police 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: officers at VCU, or blocking Jewish students from attending class 8 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: at UCLA, students physically assaulted. So where is this going? 9 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: When does this end? How does it end? I'm going 10 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: to have my friend Josh Hammer on this show. He's 11 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: been on before. He wears a lot of different hats. 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: He's a senior editor at large at Newsweek, He's the 13 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: host of The Josh Hammer Show and America on Trial 14 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: with Josh Hammer on the First TV. 15 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: He's a lawyer, so we're going to get his take. 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: On all of what I just talked about about what's 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: happening at universities across the country. What legal liability do 18 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: some of these universities have. We're also going to talk 19 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: about the Donald Trump's trial in New York City. What 20 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: should you know about that? What's the latest? Where is 21 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: that headache? So all of that and more with my 22 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: friend Josh Hammer. Stay tuned. Well, Josh, it's good to 23 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: have you on, my friend. It's been a while, not 24 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: since we talked, but since I've had you on the show. 25 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: So glad to have you back list. 26 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure my friend. And you know, we 27 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: talk a lot offline, but it was great to do 28 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: so on the air with you as well. 29 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, you know, Josh, I mean we've all been 30 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: communicating with horror about you know what we're saying on 31 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: colleges and university campuses, you know, across the country. I 32 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: mean Columbia University, they occupy it a hall on campus. 33 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: We've seen videos of police clashing with students at vias. 34 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: You Jewish students blocked from attending classes at UCLA, students assaulted, 35 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: I think one, you know, according to the video, we 36 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: even got taste. 37 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: When does this end? 38 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 4: You know? 39 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 3: Lisa, The way that I opened my most recent episode 40 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 3: of my show, The Josh Hammer Show, was I literally 41 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: opened with a monologue basically saying, is this Nazi Germany? 42 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 3: I mean the stuff that we are seeing right now 43 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 3: on American university campuses is so far past the line 44 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 3: of a Zionism versus anti Zionism debate, a debate over 45 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: whether we should create a new Palestinian state, or whether 46 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: Israel should incorporate all of the West Bank or whatnot. 47 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: I mean, we are so far beyond that when you 48 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 3: have people literally waving the flags of US recognized foreign 49 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: terrorist organizations Hamas and Hesbala, forming human chains to not 50 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 3: allow someone to set foot on campus because he's wearing 51 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 3: a key pah a yamaka, or is wearing a Maga David, 52 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 3: a Jewish Star of David necklace. I mean, the stuff 53 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 3: that we're seeing, Lisa, it's unfathomable. I mean, I look around, 54 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 3: I pinch myself, like, is this happening in America? Is 55 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 3: this the United States of America? And it is, and 56 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: it is the result of such a tragic confluence of factors, 57 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: and I guess if I had to pinpoint some of 58 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 3: those factors. On the one hand, this is obviously the 59 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 3: chickens coming home to roost of the cultural Marxist revolution 60 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: that swept through the university campus is really beginning in 61 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: earnest with the rise of the Frankfurt school. In the 62 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: nineteen sixties. Chris Ruffo had a whole book documenting this 63 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 3: rise through the institutions that came out last summer. He 64 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: Chris did a great job of that book. So you're 65 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: seeing some of those chickens come home to roost. The 66 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 3: folks who are students back then are now the leaders 67 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: of departments and universities all across the country. And then 68 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: you have this horrific immigration trends, the broad importation of 69 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 3: foreigners who simply do not share anything remotely resembling our values, 70 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: and then their promotion through the system via racist gimmick 71 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: such as affirmative action programs and emissions. I mean, it's 72 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: just this whole toxic brew lease up. But ultimately, and 73 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: this is the this is the key point for your audience. 74 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: I think you know this, but you know this is 75 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: important for It is important for your audience to know 76 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 3: it's ultimately not about the juice. It's ultimately not about Israel. 77 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 3: If you look at what's happening at Harvard Campus and 78 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: Harvard Yard, apparently the American flag typically flies over a 79 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: statue of John John Winthrop I believe is the founding 80 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 3: father figure there, and they took down the American flag 81 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: on Harvard's campus, and they put up the plo flat 82 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: the Palestinian flat. And there was a pamphlet on a 83 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: similar note that pamphleteers pro Palestinian pamphleteers, you know, these 84 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 3: little mini Jihattist miscreants. They distributed this pamphlet in ann Arbor, Michigan, 85 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 3: where by the way, I was shoudowed down by a 86 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 3: pro Hamas mob back in November when I was trying 87 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: to give a speech. 88 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 4: But hold that aside. 89 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: On that same campus and ann Arbor last week they 90 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: were distributing a pamphlet that said, quote freedom for Palestine 91 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: means death for America. That's what they actually believe. Israel 92 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: is just the canarian the coal mine, just just as 93 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: the Jews have always been the canary in the coal mine. 94 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: I actually was reading the Hamas Charter. It's not exactly 95 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 3: fun reading, it's fairly grim reading. But I was rereading 96 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: it a few weeks ago as part of the book 97 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: that I'm that I'm now working on in writing, and 98 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: I was struck that they don't just call for the 99 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 3: death of all Jews. They obviously do do that. Hamas 100 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 3: also causes calls explicitly for the death of Christians and 101 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 3: those who else they describe as infidels. So that's ultimately 102 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: what's going on here, Lisa, and that's a very important 103 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 3: point to make it well. 104 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: And that's what I've been, you know, kind of trying 105 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: to wrap my head around, you know, is this just 106 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: anti Semitism, which is awful and evil? So I didn't 107 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: mean it, you know, it was just but or is it, 108 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, Marxism or is it all of it? And 109 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: I mean you can go back and even look at 110 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: like the Red Guards and how they you know, this 111 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: mass student led paramilitary social movement mobilized by Mao, or 112 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: you look at back at you know colleges, you know 113 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: where they blocked Jews, you know, before the Holocaust, and 114 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: so it's like, you know, I mean, I don't know, 115 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: like is that where Where is this headache? 116 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: I guess? 117 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: I mean nowhere good? I mean, the the short answer 118 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 3: is nowhere good. So if you look historically on anti Semitism, 119 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 3: which has existed for essentially as long as humans have existed, 120 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: I mean, the Babylonians ransacked Solomon's Temple in the sixth 121 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: century BCE, the Romans conquered Judaea with the destruction of 122 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 3: the Second Temple in the or seventy nine. I mean 123 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: anti Semitism, hatred Jews goes back essentially to the Jews 124 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: forming in the first place, but especially over the past 125 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 3: call it millennium, over the past roughly thousand years or so, 126 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 3: when you look at societies that have seen explosive rises 127 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: in anti Semitism, and to be clear, you know, I 128 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: think a lot of what we're seeing a campus is 129 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 3: reminiscent of nineteen thirties era Hitler youth. When it comes 130 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 3: to the rhetoric, I am not actually analogizing the United 131 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: States to Nazi Germany. I want to be very clear 132 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: about that. I'm just saying the rhetoric on campus sometimes 133 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 3: is genuinely by the far extremists, does seem to be 134 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: reaching that tone there. But in any event, when you 135 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: kind of take a broader view of the let's call 136 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: it the past five hundred to one thousand years, and 137 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: look at societies that have had explosive growths and anti semitism, 138 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: it's always lis out the symptom of a broader societal 139 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 3: malaise or civilizational rock. There is always something more fundamental 140 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: that is actually going wrong. You have the youths who 141 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: are losing their faith in the country, They're losing their 142 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 3: faith in the institutions, they're losing their faith perhaps ultimately, 143 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: and God Almighty himself. They're losing any hope, and naturally 144 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: you have to find a scapegoat to blame. And it's 145 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: when that scapegoat to blame gets brought in that the 146 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: Jews have historically been the chameleon of all scapegoats. For 147 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: the capitalists, they were the Jews were the communists. For 148 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: the communists, the Jews were the dirty capitalists, the bankers, 149 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 3: the lawyers of the accountants. I mean, We've been something of, 150 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 3: you know, something to be envisioned as the enemy of 151 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: whatever ideological cause of the day. And I think that 152 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 3: that's part of what's going on here too. It's those 153 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: factors that we were just talking about a few minutes ago. 154 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: But it's also there's a lot going wrong in America 155 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: right now. You do have declining, declining faith, you have 156 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: increasing godlessness, decreasing trust in religious authority, decreasing trust in 157 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: institutions in general, much of which I would argue is 158 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 3: probably justified based on the way that many of our 159 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: leading institutions have acted over the past fifteen twenty years 160 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,599 Speaker 3: with the rise of this toxic, homogeneous ruling class mentality 161 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: that wants to subjugate the so called deplorable. So I mean, 162 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: there are real, real problems here, and again I think 163 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: a lot of this is kind of just taking it 164 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: out on the Jews. But I genuinely pray that it 165 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 3: does not get a heck of a lot worse than 166 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 3: it does right now. I do take some solacely, so 167 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: you know, you're my fellow Floridian. Of course, things are 168 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 3: pretty good right now in Florida, even from a Jewish 169 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: perspective here. I mean I go to school, I go 170 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: to Synagad without much fear for my personal safety. I 171 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 3: do carry a firearm and everywhere I go is a 172 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 3: general rule of life. But you know, I go to 173 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 3: shoolaeeda koash restaurants, My wife and I do Jewish things 174 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 3: without much fear. So you know, for now, Flora is 175 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 3: something of a refuge and some safety from the storm. 176 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: At least were with josh Hammer. But first, it's been 177 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: over six months since the brutal attack by Hamas and 178 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: her brothers and sisters in Israel. Since then, the attacks 179 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: in Israel have increased, with Iran and its proxies launching 180 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: an attack of hundreds of drones and missiles. The International 181 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: Fellowship of Christians and Jews is on the ground now 182 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: addressing all urgent needs, and that's why I'm partnering with 183 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: IFCJ today. 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And 201 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 3: TikTok is almost as surely the number one social media 202 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: outlet that is partially to blame for this drastic rise 203 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 3: of anti Semitism and anti Israel sentiments. So I don't 204 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 3: have a TikTok account. I've actually it is kind of 205 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: a boomer thing to say. I guess I've never even 206 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 3: used TikTok. I literally, I literally would not even know 207 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 3: what you are all to put into my computer if 208 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: I want to access it, I guess it's probably just 209 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 3: take talk dot com. But I literally have never been 210 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: to the site. But my understanding is that on TikTok, 211 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 3: at least in America, it's probably different in China because ByteDance, 212 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 3: who owns TikTok, the Chinese company, they totally totally use 213 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 3: different algorithms for Western audiences than they do for their 214 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 3: own domestic audiences. But the ratio of pro Palestinian pro 215 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 3: Hamas content to pro Israel content on TikTok, I saw 216 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: one estimate that was roughly fifty to one. So it's 217 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: just a ton. It's just a ton of propaganda that 218 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:37,239 Speaker 3: is getting algorithmically shoved into searches, and you know, tragically, 219 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 3: TikTok perhaps above all Instagram, I guess will be segment. 220 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: It's really TikTok that is where a lot of these 221 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: college kids, the high school students, that's where they're getting 222 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 3: their their news. 223 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 4: These days. 224 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 3: When you look at the the public polling where people 225 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: say where are they getting their news, TikTok for young 226 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 3: millennials and gen Z in particular, oftentimes ranks as the 227 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 3: the number one source of news. And I don't think 228 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: that you can possibly underestimate the damage that TikTok is doing. 229 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 3: And it makes sense from a Chinese Communist Party perspective. 230 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: I mean, this is really kind of Cold War style 231 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 3: Soviet information operations and information warfare back during the Cold War. 232 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: I think back to how the Soviets during the nineteen 233 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: sixties when there was a lot of civil unrests during 234 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 3: the Martin Luther King, the civil rights movement, all that 235 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: the Soviets were notorious for going into majority black neighborhoods 236 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 3: throughout America and the South, and some of our major 237 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 3: urban areas New York, Chicago and so forth, and putting 238 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: in literature trying to stir up violence. This is a 239 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: well documented Soviet tactic where they're basically trying to tear 240 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: the American people apart and ontimately lead them to violence 241 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 3: against one another, basically just trying to sew discord by 242 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: any means necessary. And I think that is a very 243 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: similar tactic to what China is doing right now, somewhat indirectly, 244 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 3: but not that indirectly, frankly via TikTok, where they're trying 245 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 3: to sew discord and to make impressionable vulnerable young Americans 246 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 3: and young Westerners ultimately loose. 247 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 2: I guess. 248 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if as a society we're taking it seriously 249 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: enough in the sense of you reference Hitler youth, youth, 250 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: I reference red cards used for the Chinese Cultural Revolution, 251 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: both led to you know, mass death right, and we're 252 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: witnessing right now at campuses across the country of you know, 253 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: sort of a revolution happening at these universities where you know, 254 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: students are quite literally taking over buildings and calling for 255 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: violence and calling for you. 256 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 2: Know, the death of Jews. 257 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: So I guess are we at a time when we 258 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: have you know, social media and in the easier time 259 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: mass mobilizing people. So I mean, you put all that together. 260 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: Are we taking this seriously enough? No? 261 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 3: I mean the answer is is clearly no, Lisa, ever 262 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 3: since October seventh started. Let's hold the campuses just aside 263 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 3: for a second. Here the campuses are ground zero of 264 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 3: Lotty insanity. But unfortunately the insanity goes so much broader 265 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: than that. I mean, I look at these people marching 266 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 3: over the bridges of London on the Thames River. I 267 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 3: looked at the marches in downtown Chicago, where I used 268 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 3: to live, just a matter of weeks after the Hamas 269 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: Holocaust October seventh, you know, at the Sydney Opera House, 270 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 3: all the way down in Sydney, Australia, there were a 271 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: lot of radical Muslims gathered on the steps who are 272 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: chanting gas the Jews. And I look at a lot 273 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 3: of this and I come to a very simple conclusion, 274 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,359 Speaker 3: which is that the West End, America, very much included, 275 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: is committing suicide in no small part due to immigration trends. 276 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 3: You know, we have willfully imported this problem to our 277 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 3: shores and part of the problem is home grown, for sure. 278 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: That's the education, that's the propaganda, that's the nineteen sixties 279 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 3: cultural radicalism, chickens coming home to roost all that. But 280 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: I really genuinely do think a lot of it actually 281 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 3: is is immigration based. You know, I forgot who said it, 282 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: but it was someone on social media who said, you know, 283 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 3: back a thousand years ago or so, you know, in 284 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: the heart of medieval Europe, you know, Christian families would 285 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: sacrifice their lives to prevent radical Muslims from taking over Hungary, Austria, Budapest, Vienna, 286 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 3: cities like that. At this point, you know, through our 287 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 3: own magnanimy and our own misplaced sense of Western guilt 288 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 3: and trying to xpate are not particularly real but only 289 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 3: just imagine sins. We're literally just importing and bringing in 290 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 3: the problem. And I don't think Lisa America has any 291 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: plan what so for how to deal with the radically 292 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: subversive fifth column that is now operating in our shores 293 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 3: right now. I look at the streets, I look at 294 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 3: the campus as people saying we are Hamas, long live Hamas. 295 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: I mean, the next nine to eleven plotters Lisa are 296 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 3: almost assuredly here already. I mean, I'll be shocked if 297 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 3: they're not. I mean, they're literally the Ivy League students 298 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 3: right now. So no, I don't have any trust whatsoever 299 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: that our elites have any plan for how to get 300 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 3: us out of this mess, because they're the same people 301 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: who tragically got us here in the first place. 302 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: Columbia University is on the receiving end of a class 303 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: action lawsuit that has now been filed. You know, I 304 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: assume other universities are going to face the same fate. 305 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: What kind of legal liability is there for these universities 306 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: right now? 307 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: Well, God willing, there will be a ton of repercussions. 308 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 3: The legal liability will be part of it. 309 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 4: You know. 310 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 3: Hopefully we'll have some employers. I've seen a couple of 311 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 3: examples already that will announce you know what, I'm just 312 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: not going to hire students from here because I have 313 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 3: no faith that they are going to graduate with a 314 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: decent education. And on the contrary, I now have ample 315 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 3: empirical evidence suggesting that they are going to graduate, you know, 316 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 3: surrounded by Vish jew haters, America haters, Christian haters, West 317 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 3: haters in general. So part of it, hopefully will be 318 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: employers starting to grow a spy and you've seen some 319 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 3: folks like the bill Ackmans of the world who or 320 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 3: who are starting to talk about that. But hopefully there 321 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 3: are going to be class action lawsuits galore, I mean, 322 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 3: you know these. I'm a lawyer by training, as you know, 323 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 3: I don't really practice a whole lot, but I'm still 324 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 3: barred in Texas. I actually have had some conversations with 325 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 3: some friends, including one friend here in Florida whose name 326 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 3: I will leave out for now because none of this 327 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 3: is public yet. But I've actually already had some conversations, 328 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 3: some some like brainstorming conversations with him about what kind 329 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 3: of lawsuits can be filed. I mean, maybe a Title 330 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 3: six lawsuits. A Title six is basically the part of 331 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: the civil rights laws from the nineteen sixties that say 332 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 3: that any institution that receives taxpayer dollars in education, and 333 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: most universities take taxpayer dollars unless you're a Hillsdale College, 334 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 3: most taxpayer dollars. In that case, you can't discriminate on 335 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 3: the basis of you know, race, sex, national origin, and religion. 336 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 4: Religion is one of those. 337 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: In fact, one of the big moves of the Trump 338 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 3: administration took in twenty nineteen was to interpret Title six 339 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,719 Speaker 3: protections for Jewish students on campus so as to encompass 340 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: what's known as the era of the International Holocaust Remembrance 341 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 3: Alliance's definition of anti Semitism, which includes anti Zionism. So 342 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 3: the Trump administration actually interpreted Title six to legally protect 343 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 3: Jewish students against anti Zionist harassment, and the Biden administration 344 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 3: has not necessarily overturned that interpretation, at least they have 345 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 3: not done so publicly. So at least last I checked 346 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 3: that conception of Title six remains the law of the 347 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: land today. What that means in concrete terms right now 348 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: from a law fair perspective is that there really should 349 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: be a lot of Title six suits out there because 350 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 3: a lot of Jewish students, the ones who, as you 351 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 3: said at UCLA, are literally getting barred from setting foot 352 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 3: on campus because they're wearing a Star of David necklace. 353 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 3: These are flagrant, out in the open Title six violations. 354 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,239 Speaker 3: I think another possible interesting legal course of action, by 355 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 3: the way, be to try to get to the bottom 356 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: of who is funding all of this very clearly coordinated activity. 357 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 3: You're gonna tell me that a campuses all across the country. 358 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: They're all going to shopping intent the same tense, the 359 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: same tense. 360 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 2: They're all make it less obvious. 361 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 4: Right, So who is it? I mean, is it? Is 362 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 4: it George Soros? 363 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 3: Is it s JP stunes for Justice in Palestine which 364 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: has all sorts of terror and Hamasad Jason connections there. 365 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 3: You know, surely there's got to these some ambitious prosecutors 366 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 3: out there who want to file a material support for 367 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 3: terrorism prosecution. Maybe not in Biden's DJ unfortunately, but maybe 368 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 3: there's a state level equivalent in some red state or something. 369 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 3: So you've got to get creative here. But really, Title six, 370 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 3: when it comes to the sprawling civil rights infringements from 371 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 3: Jewish students, that really should be low hanging fruit for 372 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 3: lawyers across America. 373 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: Right now, we've got to take a quick commercial break 374 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: more with Josh Hammer on the other side. Well, Jewish 375 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: Americans fold Joe Biden accountable. You know, we seen him 376 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: sort of try to placate the pro Homas crowd. Will 377 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: he be held accountable politically? 378 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 4: God willing? 379 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 3: I say, I mean as an open conservative, I I 380 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 3: I hope. So look, I can say this anecdotally. You know, 381 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 3: Lisa and I are both good friends with Carol Marquis Kay. 382 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 3: Carol and I have similar anecdotal experiences since October seventh, 383 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 3: where we have both personally spoken with a lot of 384 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 3: liberal American Jews who are actually planning on voting for Republicans, 385 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 3: including Donald Trump this fall for the single reason that 386 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 3: they are so disgusted by everything that they're seeing. And 387 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 3: you know, I have people in my family who fit 388 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 3: that description, including some some fairly close people in my family, 389 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 3: So I have some some reason for thinking that the 390 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 3: shift is possibly real. There was one poll out of 391 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 3: New York State that I saw Ryan Gradusky tweeting about. 392 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 3: I trust Ryan a lot when it comes to at 393 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: least a polling analysis, and this was maybe like a 394 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: month or two ago, and it was it was it 395 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 3: was a small sample sized pole, so I don't want 396 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 3: to put too much weight into it, but that poll 397 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 3: of New York Jews had Trump actually just straight up 398 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 3: beating Biden within the Jewish demographic. Now, I'm not going 399 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 3: to go that far, but I would not be shocked if, 400 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 3: at a bare minimum, the overall Jewish vote this November 401 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 3: is probably could be the highest for a Republican candidate 402 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 3: in the history of modern polling. I think that that 403 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: is eminently reasonable. Now, one thing that it's worth pointing 404 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 3: out as well, already over the past few cycles, including 405 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty election, it's religious Jews, Orthodox Jews, traditional 406 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: Jews who already overwhelmingly broke break for Republicans. So, for example, 407 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 3: in the twenty twenty election, orthodox Jews voted like eighty 408 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 3: three seventeen for Trump. It's an even higher margin than 409 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 3: like Mormons or Evangelical Christians. It's crazy hot. So we're 410 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 3: really talking here about the less religious, the more secular, 411 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 3: the more you know, the less observant and less traditional Jews. 412 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 3: But again, we're talking here about something that is directly 413 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 3: impacting the literal safety. You can be as secular reform 414 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 3: as you want, living on the Upper West Side him 415 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 3: and hat him, you know, living in San Francisco or 416 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 3: whatnot there, But at some point, I mean, if you 417 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 3: are recognizably Jewish in any way, it seems like these 418 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 3: jihottest thugs are now coming for you. So if that 419 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 3: doesn't wake you up, then I'm not sure what will. 420 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: Frankly, well, yeah, and you know, I imagine most normal 421 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: sane people who are left in this country are watching 422 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: what's happening on campuses and being like, that is not 423 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: the future I want for this country, uh, you know, 424 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: and hopefully recognizing that that is plaguing the left. 425 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: Uh, and that's where it's coming from. 426 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,719 Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to switch gears for a minute, 427 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: and you know, using that lawyer brain of yours. I mean, 428 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: you paid for the education, so let's utilize it. I 429 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: wanted to get your take on where do you think 430 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: st things stand right now for for Donald Trump? 431 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: Uh in New York City. 432 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 3: So you know, it's worth pointing out before we dive 433 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 3: into to the specifics of New York City that increasingly 434 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 3: this really is the only of the four criminal prosecutions 435 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 3: that I think is relevant. So after the oral argument 436 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 3: that we had in Trump's presidential communic case in DC 437 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: at the US Supreme Corps this past Thursday, I feel 438 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 3: very confident, you know, I don't want to say very common, 439 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 3: that's probably that's probably a stretch, but I feel pretty 440 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: confident that that thing is ultimately going to get kicked 441 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 3: down to a lower court and that that will get appealed. 442 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 3: So that's going to drag out probably at this point 443 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 3: until November. The Fani Willis prosecution in Georgia is almost 444 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 3: surely gonna get pushed until after November. The classified documents 445 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 3: case in Florida is the only one that I think 446 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 3: has any chance of making it to a jury prior 447 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 3: to the November election. But even there, I think it's 448 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 3: a real stretch. You're probably not looking until a start 449 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 3: date until July or August. And one thing that's that's 450 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 3: interesting there is that Trump's actually using the exact same lawyers, 451 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 3: headed by a man by the name of Todd Blanche. 452 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 3: He's using the same lawyers in the New York case 453 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 3: as the Florida case. So, you know, for the very 454 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 3: simple reason that a lawyer cannot be simultaneously in two 455 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 3: places at once. Something's going to have to give there. 456 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 3: From a scheduling perspective as well, I. 457 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 2: Think that's intentional to do that. 458 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 4: Maybe it's an interesting question. I'd never really thought about that. 459 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: I thought about that till you mentioned that, and then 460 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: I just thought, speaking each other, thank Josh, it's good. 461 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it is good. 462 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 3: You know, I probably should be as intellstual, honest as 463 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 3: possible at Lisa. 464 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 4: I'm obviously a conservative. 465 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 3: I'm planning for Donald Trump, planning of voting, excuse me 466 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 3: for Donald Trump this this November. I do think the 467 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 3: Florida case actually is the legally most serious of the 468 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 3: four for Donald Trump. It's not without its its flaws, 469 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 3: including the choice of statute that Jacksmith is using. He's 470 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 3: invoking an absurd World War One era statute, the Espionage Act. 471 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. But according to the indictment at LISE, it 472 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 3: does look like there was some not particularly kosher activity. 473 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 3: But in any event, let's go back to the New 474 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 3: York case, because that's the one that we're all watching 475 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: day in and day out right now. So I think 476 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 3: that Donald Trump is in is in decent shape, and 477 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 3: I think he's in decent shape for at least one reason. 478 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 3: So a lot of people are remarking upon the fact, 479 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 3: and this is correct, that New York City and Manhattan 480 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 3: in particular, where this case is being brought is a 481 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 3: crazy far left jurisdiction. It's an eighty six percent Biden 482 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 3: over Trump voting county. But two things are worth bearing 483 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: in minds here. Let's call three things. Actually one is 484 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 3: by definition, all it takes is one all it takes 485 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 3: is one juror, and you have a hung jur you 486 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 3: have a mistrials or we're dealing with twelve. You essentially 487 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 3: only need one two. As has been remarked upon virtually everywhere, 488 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 3: including myself from the moment that this indictment dropped, this 489 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 3: case is just beyond absurd legally speaking, for a million 490 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 3: different reasons. I mean, it involves New York State crimes 491 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: going back to the twenty sixteen election, for which there's 492 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 3: a two year statute of limitations. Alvin Bragg is purporting 493 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 3: to get around the statute of limitations problem while simultaneously 494 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 3: upping it from a misdymere to a felony by tacking 495 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: on this infurtherance of a federal campaign finance violation law, 496 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: which one, by the way, has its own statute of 497 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: limitations problem, and two it's a federal law. I mean, 498 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 3: a local prosecutor, it's if he at best, whether he's 499 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 3: even capable, whether he's even well suited to bring forward 500 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 3: a federal charge. So the legal theory of the case 501 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 3: from Alvin Bragg is utterly ludicrous. And the closely related 502 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 3: third reason to that that gives me some hope here 503 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 3: for Donald Trump, Lisa, is that if you look at 504 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 3: the twelve jurors, two of them are lawyers. There is 505 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: one corporate lawyer and there's one civil litigator. That's somewhat rare. 506 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 3: Actually to have multiple lawyers on a twelve person jury, 507 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 3: I mean sibody by playing the numbers game, right, it's 508 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 3: somewhat rare. And again it's New York City. So if 509 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: that's your only variable, and if that's your only heuristic, 510 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 3: then you're going to guess that they're probably liberal leaning 511 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 3: in their politics. And that may well be the case. 512 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 3: But at a bare minimum, Lisa, if you have gone 513 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 3: to law school and you are working in the legal profession, 514 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: you should be asking some very very basic questions the life, 515 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: which I just laid out, like these glaring statute of limitations. Problem, 516 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 3: why is this local DA bringing a prosecution that involves 517 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 3: a federal charge? When the US Attorney's office there in 518 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 3: the SD and Y the Southern District of New York, 519 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 3: they looked into bringing this crime, this prosecution and passed 520 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 3: on it because even they thought it was too frivolous. 521 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 3: So these are the very basic kind of questions that 522 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 3: I think someone who is a lawyer serving on the 523 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 3: jury might think, So I'm gonna go ahead and guess 524 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 3: here that at this point, I think it's probably slightly 525 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 3: greater than fifty to fifty that Trump is ultimately off 526 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 3: scott free in the New York case, but he could 527 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 3: be found guilty. I mean, it's definitely a real possibility, 528 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 3: and I guess we'll see what happens if we ultimately 529 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 3: do cross that rub of coon. 530 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: You know, but we've also seen how you know, Trump 531 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: derangement syndrome has corrupted the minds of previously normal, insane 532 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: human beings. You know, we saw I think more than 533 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: half of of the pool of potential jurors that they 534 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: had interviewed, so that there's no way that they could 535 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: be impartial in this. I mean, how much of a 536 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: concern is that for Donald Trump in this scenario, especially 537 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: in New York City. 538 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 3: Look, it's a it's a real concern, and you know, 539 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 3: to kind of backtrack on what I just said, I 540 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 3: am hardened by the fact that there are multiple lawyers 541 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 3: on the jury, just given the fact that this particular case, 542 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 3: this theory of the case is such a ridiculous legal stretch. 543 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 3: On the other hand, I think there was only one 544 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 3: juror of the twelve who said that he or she 545 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 3: was a regular or semi regular reader of the New 546 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 3: York Post. 547 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 4: And you know the New York. 548 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 3: Post is is that's the right leaning newspaper in New York. 549 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I love the New York Post. I published 550 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 3: many columns there over the years. But you know, if 551 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 3: you're if you're Donald Trump, you would definitely like there 552 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: to be more than one New York Post reader on 553 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 3: the jury. 554 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 4: And oh, there wasn't there. 555 00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: A true social person. 556 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: I think there was, right, I think there was someone 557 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: who got their news from true. 558 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 4: Social Yes, I think you're right. 559 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: Just a newsperson as well. So I feel like there's 560 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, and then you mentioned attorney. So I think 561 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 1: there's collectively seemingly some hope for him on the jury. 562 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 4: There is. 563 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I absolutely think that there is some hope 564 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: for him on the jury. I actually feel a little 565 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 3: better now, honestly. So you would if you would asked 566 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,719 Speaker 3: me a few weeks ago, before jury selection in New 567 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 3: York City started, whether Donald Trump was going to be 568 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: a dead man walking there in New York City, I 569 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 3: probably would have given you a greater than fifty percent 570 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: chance that he would be found guilty, and at this 571 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 3: point that I think, at this point, you know, I 572 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: would probably switch that and say that I think it's 573 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 3: slightly more likely than not that he will not be 574 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 3: found guilty, but it does remain a real possibility, you know, 575 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: including you know, factoring in as well, of course, the 576 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 3: fact that the judge, Juan Mursham absolutely despises Donald Trump. 577 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 3: I mean, he's had down these gag order fines now 578 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 3: left and right, he's threatening incarceration. He barely even allowed 579 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 3: Donald Trump to go attend his son Baron's high school graduation. 580 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 3: You know, in a case like this, the judge's conduct 581 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 3: can absolutely matter because of a normal jurors probably going 582 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 3: to be persuaded by the judges perception of the case. 583 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I clerked for a federal judge myself six 584 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 3: years ago. I mean judges where the black robes. These 585 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 3: are esteemed people, and you know, normal people in a 586 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 3: jury are probably going to look to the judge with 587 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 3: some degree of deference. There So, when you have a 588 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 3: judge who's presiding over a criminal trial like this, who 589 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 3: has just such dripping disdain and animus for the criminal defendant, 590 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 3: someone whose literal daughter Laura Mershawn, famously, as we now know, 591 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 3: works in democratic fundraising. Something like that definitely could make 592 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 3: a difference at the margin as well. 593 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: But again, is that ever to work in the other 594 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: direction though, in the sense of maybe the jury from 595 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: a perception standpoint, you know, maybe they feel like the 596 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: judges biased himself. 597 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 3: Well, if you were dealing with, you know, a jury 598 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 3: pool in the middle of American heartland, maybe right. But 599 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 3: in New York City, you know, dealing here with people 600 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 3: who are oftentimes not always, but a lot they're gonna 601 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 3: be working, and you know, high paying white collar professions 602 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 3: that the truth social and New York Post readers, notwithstanding 603 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 3: a lot of them are getting their news from the 604 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 3: New York Times, the Washington Post. This is again Manhattan 605 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 3: eighty six percent buying over Trump County. So all of 606 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 3: that does not provide me with a lot of hope 607 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 3: when it comes to jurors viewing the judge's conduct skeptically. 608 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 3: But I hope I'm wrongly. So I think it's a 609 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 3: ridiculous case. It's an absurd, absurd case in. 610 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 4: New York City. 611 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 3: The one in Florida is borderline justified to bring a 612 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 3: charge again Jack Smith brought the wrong charge, but the 613 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 3: facts maybe could have supported a different statute there. But 614 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 3: this case in New York City is an epic, epic, 615 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 3: epic joke. The federal prosecutor's office, the SDNY dismissed it. 616 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 3: Alvin Bragg's own presessor there in the New York County 617 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 3: New York DA's office side Vance Junior, he looked into this. 618 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 3: He also neglected to bring charges. So if there is 619 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 3: any justice, then Trump's going to get off Scott Freed here, 620 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 3: That's for sure, Josh. 621 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 2: Anything else you'd like to leave us with before we go, now. 622 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 4: A these It's been a great conversation. 623 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: I guess the only point that I would underscore is 624 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 3: I think it's one of the most important points is 625 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 3: what we discussed towards the beginning of our conversation when 626 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 3: it comes to the campus insanity and just the general 627 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 3: kind of pro Islamism, pro Hamas, pro plo insanity that's 628 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 3: sweeping the Western world in general. Here, which is it 629 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 3: really genuinely is ultimately not about the Jews, It's really 630 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,959 Speaker 3: ultimately not about Israel. I think this is such an 631 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 3: important point to bear in minds here they increasingly these days, 632 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 3: these protesters, they're saying the quiet part out loud. They 633 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 3: are increasingly chanting for the death of America as well. 634 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 3: They are increasingly supporting those like Hasbalah and the Iranian 635 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 3: regime which have a ton of American blood on their hands. 636 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 3: And the enemy is here again. The fifth column operating 637 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 3: right now on our shores is something that terrifies me 638 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 3: day in and day out, frankly, and I don't think 639 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 3: that we have any plan whatsoever to deal with it. 640 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,719 Speaker 3: But again, I do take some solace Lisa, that you, myself, 641 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 3: and many of the folks that we get to call 642 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 3: friends do live here in Fortress, Florida, which for now 643 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 3: is a bashion of sandy, and I take some solace 644 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 3: in them. 645 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: No, we're very lucky to live in Florida. Josh, you 646 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: are a smart man and a great friend. I appreciate 647 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: you taking the time to come on the show. 648 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 4: You bet, Lisa, thank you. 649 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: That was Josh Hammer. I appreciate him making the time. 650 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, 651 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. Or do you 652 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: think John Cassio and my producer for putting the show 653 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: together until next time.