1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. As you get ready, do 2 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: you go on vacation on your own with your friend, 3 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: your partner, your loved one or your family? Think twice? 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: Does the name Desirey Gibbon ring a bell? It does 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: to me because when I first read about desire I 6 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: was so moved I ended up writing an entire chapter 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: about travel safety because of desire Gibbon and the book 8 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: Don't Be a Victim. Gorgeous, beautiful. In fact, she was 9 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: a model headed to film school just twenty six years 10 00:00:50,360 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: old when she goes on a faded vacation to Jamaica 11 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Take a listen to our 12 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: friend Jim Dulling at ABC seven. Desiree Given was twenty 13 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 1: six years old and all that was holding her back 14 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: was that she had so many options in life. She 15 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: could do so much. She wanted to go to film school. 16 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: She wanted to learn producing and directing, so she wanted 17 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: to make money to go. She didn't want us to 18 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: have to pay for schwe to go and make it 19 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: on her own. Desiree went to Jamaica, where her father 20 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: lives and where her grandmother owns a hotel to earn 21 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: that money for college. She was close to landing a 22 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: job at a tourist bar there. Desiree had already created 23 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: a social life in her short time in Jamaica. She's 24 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: got family down there, She's cousins. She met a lot 25 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: of new people that she had been hanging out with 26 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: for the last three weeks or so, so she was 27 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: comfortable with these people she met. Her mom says, Desiree 28 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: knew to be careful. She never traveled by herself. She 29 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: didn't leave the hotel by herself. She always left with 30 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: somebody and they would take a car service that was 31 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 1: provided by the hotel, and the same driver would take 32 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: them and drop them and bring them back. You know, 33 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: it seems as if Desiree was following all the rules 34 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: to stay safe. She was doing everything right. Joining me 35 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: an all star panel. Gary Davidson Partner with Diaz Royce 36 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: International Law Firm at Diaz Royce dot com. His specialty 37 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: is international law cases just like this. Doctor Jory Krausen, Psychologist, 38 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 1: faculty Saint Leo University, consultant and author of Stop Officer 39 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: Suicide Operation SOS Practical Recommendations. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, 40 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and Star 41 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: Off Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network. Joseph Scott Morgan, 42 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: Mary Murphy, investigative reporter with Pixie Loving News and the 43 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: recipient of thirty New York Emmy Awards on Facebook, Mary 44 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: Murphy Mystery special guest in joining us and how I 45 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: have wanted to speak to her, Miss Andrea Gibbon. This 46 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: is Desiree Gibbon's mother, Miss Gibbon. Thank you so much 47 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: for being with us. Thank you for having me, Miss Gibbon. 48 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm just overwhelmed at Desiree's life force. She was beautiful 49 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: on the inside in the outside, and she had so 50 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: many dreams. And you know, there are a lot of dreamers, 51 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: but there's a difference and a dreamer and a dreamer 52 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: that's willing to work hard to make their dream come true. 53 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: And that was Desiree. She went to Jamaica and actually 54 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: stayed at her grandmother's hotel that she owned. Correct, that's correct. 55 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: When did you last speak to her? Actually last spoke 56 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: for her on Thanksgiving in twenty seventeen. I'm thinking back 57 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,679 Speaker 1: about the last time I ever saw my fiance before 58 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: he was murdered It was an early morning on a 59 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: Monday morning. He was heading out of town for work, 60 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: and the last thing I saw was his left arm 61 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: come up over the car waving goodbye. And I remember 62 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: it like it was yesterday. What do you remember about 63 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: that conversation? She was so happy on that day. She 64 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: was so full of life. She had spoken to everybody 65 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: that she ever knew on that day, friend's, family, co workers, everybody, 66 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: whether it was a text message, a phone call, a FaceTime. 67 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: She was in such good spirits. She was in a 68 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: really good place. She was extremely happy. She couldn't wait 69 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: to have dinner with her family that evening. Just in 70 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: a very good place, other than of course missing home 71 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: and you know, her sisters and myself, just happy, happy girl. Guys, 72 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at crime online dot com. 73 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: Desiree Gibbon had plans to stay at her grandmother's small resort, 74 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: the GiB Chateau, for three weeks. After a Thanksgiving dinner 75 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: with relatives, she walked outside at eleven twenty seven pm, 76 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: telling the security guard she would be right back. She 77 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: walked to the left and out of view of the 78 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: resort and was never seen again. She was wearing shorts 79 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: and hot pink flip flops, carrying only her iPhone and 80 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: room key. She did not come back to the hotel 81 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: to the resort, they didn't Three days passed. Mary Murphy, 82 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: investigative reporter with Picks Pix eleven. Mary, how has she 83 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: first reported missing? And tell me about the search that 84 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: ensued for Desiree. Well, she had no identification on her 85 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: at all, as you mentioned, she just had in her pocket. 86 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: She was wearing shorts and her T shirt. And when 87 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: she was found in the brush, it was on the 88 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: side of a road in Saint James Parish in Jamaica. 89 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: And so what I understand is that a photo of 90 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: her was taken around to all the different hotels in 91 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: the nearby area in Montego Bay, and finally someone at 92 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: the Family hotel it gave Chateau recognized Desiree, and that's 93 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: how she was first identified. And she was beaten so 94 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: badly and her throat was slipped from the ear to ear. 95 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: I know it's so hard for her mom to hear 96 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: this again, but her mother and I have spoken many times, 97 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: She's appeared on my show in New York, and she 98 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: wants the truth to come out. I mean, she was 99 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: almost decapitated. That's how bad the injury was. Take a 100 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: listen to this. About twenty minutes away from the hotel, 101 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: residents find Desiree gibbons body around nine fifteen am, two 102 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: days after she disappeared. She was lying in the heavy 103 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: brush beside an overgrown roadway with her throat cut. Since then, 104 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: surveillance video from nearby homes had revealed few clues. The 105 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: pathology report reveals that when Gibbon's throat was slashed, she 106 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: was nearly decapitated. Her spine was severed. DNA was found 107 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: on the body from both a man and a woman, 108 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: but no matches have been made so far to Miss Gibbon. 109 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: Miss Andrea Gibbon, this is Desire's mother. When did you 110 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: realize that she was even missing, much less had been murdered. 111 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: You know, I had not heard from her on Friday 112 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: or Saturday, and sometimes I know at that moment I 113 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: talked it up too well. The wifi's very poured down there, 114 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: so it wasn't uncommon. It's some time passed and I 115 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: didn't hear from her. And then I recall on the 116 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: Sunday morning, I was sitting in my car getting ready 117 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: to go to work, and I just got this overwhelming 118 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: feeling just go through my entire body. The initial sensation 119 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, it's finally happen. It's finally 120 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: happening for Desiree. Her dreams are coming true. She's where 121 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: she needs to be. And I started to call her. 122 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: There was no answer. I text her, there was no answer, 123 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: so again I said, well, maybe poor WiFi. Monday, I 124 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: didn't hear from her. I kept calling, and then I 125 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: was at work on Tuesday morning, actually in a board meeting, 126 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: when I got a phone call from Jamaica. The number 127 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: popped up. I assumed it was Desiated because she bought 128 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: a burner phone in Jamaica. So I answered the phone 129 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: and there's a delay on that phone. So I'm going, hey, 130 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: does I'm in a meeting, but how are you? What's 131 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: going out of and trying to reach you? So the 132 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: voice on the other end turned out to be her uncle, 133 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: and the uncle was saying to me, yes, something has happened, 134 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: go home and call me back on this number. And 135 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: I said to him, I'm at work, I'm not going home. 136 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: Where's Desireate? What is going on? And he just kept 137 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: saying go home, call me back on this number. So 138 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: I hung up with him, and I proceeded to text 139 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: my husband and I said, your brother just called me. 140 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: What's going on? Where desiree? Why is he telling me 141 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: to go home? My husband tried to call me, and 142 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: of course I declined the call because I was in 143 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: a meeting, and I said, please text me. The next 144 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: thing he texted me was my mother just told me 145 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: they killed my daughter. After that, I don't know what happened. 146 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: It somehow ended up at my mother in law's house 147 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: speaking to the detective on the phone, and they were 148 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: very like nonchalant, like, what have you been told? And 149 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: I said, if you're asking me if somebody told me 150 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: she was killed? Yes, what happened? So when he proceeded 151 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: to tell me we found her in the bushes and 152 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: her throat was slit, I just kind of blacked out 153 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: at that point and can't recall for the next several 154 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: hours after that what happened. So yeah, I was very 155 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: devastating and quite the shock, something I never thought i'd 156 00:09:51,920 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: ever hear. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are 157 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: telling you about a beautiful young girl just twenty six 158 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: years old, already a model, but beautiful on the inside 159 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: and out, trying to work her way to film school 160 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: that was her dream, and such a loving family. She 161 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: goes on vacation down to Jamaica, actually stays at her grandmother's. 162 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: The grandmother owns a resort. How this happened still remains 163 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: a mystery to this day. But well, Nancy, I just 164 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: wanted to end in at the Daily News that was 165 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: the cover the day that the death was announced. Model 166 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: murder mystery. And you know, there's been speculation that this 167 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: week done out of jealousy, that she may have met 168 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: someone in a nightclub that she politely turned down when 169 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: he showed interest. You know, there was male DNA but 170 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: also the female DNA sound on her body. So that's 171 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: the real mystery here. Who are these people? You know? 172 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: Did she have some kind of dispute with people that 173 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: she had met on the trip, or was it something 174 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: regarding events around the hotel? That's unclear? What, if anything, 175 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: can we learn from what Desire's mother is telling us. 176 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: Now take a listen to our friend, Maggie Hickey picks eleven. 177 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: These are the final images given has of her daughter 178 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: before her death. Twenty six year old Desiree given last 179 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: scene on surveillance camera. She's casually dressed in shorts, a 180 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: T shirt and flip flops at eleven twenty seven. On 181 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: November twenty third, she leaves her room at the Gibb 182 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: Chateau in Jamaica, a hotel owned by her family. She 183 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: goes downstairs, is buzzed out by security, and walks down 184 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: the driveway. She knew them, and she knew them well. 185 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: She had not been around them once or twice. She 186 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: had been around these people multiple times, probably the three 187 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: weeks plus that she was there. Just four days before 188 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: she was to return home to New York, Desire's brutalized 189 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: body was found about twenty minutes away along the roadside, 190 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: her throat slashed, bruises found throughout her body and wrists. 191 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: Those are their words, chopping wound to neck. You're hearing 192 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: the voice of Desire's mother there at the end, meeting 193 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: people while on vacation. Of course that's going to happen. 194 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: But to you, Gary Davidson, partner with Diaz Royce International 195 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: Law Firm, you hear these accounts every day. You don't 196 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: know these people, you don't know where they're from. What 197 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: they do, what they have done, what they are capable of. Yeah, 198 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people can be friendly at a restaurant 199 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: or a bar, or out playing shuffleboard or walking on 200 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: the beach, but you don't know who they are. Jerry Davidson, No, 201 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: you don't. And you know, people forget when they travel, 202 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: and Nancy, I'm sure you talk about this in many 203 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: of your shows. They forget when they go on vacation 204 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: that the rules that apply in your neighborhood, for example, 205 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 1: where you live in the United States, don't necessarily apply 206 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: in a place like Jamaica. Jamaica is known for its 207 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: high crime rate. Jamaica is known as a beautiful place 208 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: to vacation as well. But there has to be a balance. 209 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: And when you start getting involved with locals in the 210 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: community in any country, you need to know who you're 211 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: talking to. You need to know what type of person 212 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: you're talking to. And you know, when you're young and 213 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: care free, as she certainly desire, he certainly sounds like 214 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: she was, you sometimes skip making those important judgments in 215 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: favor of just, you know, having a great time, and 216 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: that here turned out to be a mistake. It brings 217 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: to mind straight out to doctor Jorry Crossin, psychologist at 218 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: Junct Professor Saint Leo University and author the case of 219 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: the so called Missing Groom, George Allen Smith, the Fourth 220 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: who disappeared on the Royal Caribbean cruise ship The Brilliance 221 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: of the Seas. He was there on a dream honeymoon 222 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: and met people in the bar, in the casino on 223 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: board and he ends up dead. I'm pretty sure his 224 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: fiancee just married his wife had nothing to do with it, 225 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: and that only leaves the people on board. Why is it? 226 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: Why do people lower their guard on vacation and befriend 227 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: what that kind would be a complete stranger. But you know, 228 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: as humans were very trusting people. I mean, you know, 229 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: just through an introduction. We trust people to give us 230 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: correct directions when we ask for it, and you know, 231 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: being very trusting, we drop our guard and we do 232 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: allow people to get close to us. You know, one 233 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: thing that I noticed here with the brutality of this attack. 234 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: And I've trained and I've worked with Jamaican police, and 235 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: I know the culture and I know the violence and 236 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: the aggressiveness of that culture, and this is a very 237 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: interesting behavioral pattern at this of suspect left the left hand, 238 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: the violence. I think there's somebody that knows what really happened. 239 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: Now there's going to be a group of people because 240 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: this level of violence just doesn't go unnoticed. Somebody knows 241 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: something down there. Well, yes, I guess the big question. 242 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: And let me pose this to Desire's mother or Andrew Gibbon. 243 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: Miss Gibbon, tell me about the resort and why you 244 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: believe your daughter would have left the resort. Well, it 245 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: was a you know, a small hotel that they have 246 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: there in Montego Bay. And you know, from what we 247 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: could view on the surveillance camera is that it appeared 248 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: that she had gotten a phone call from somebody and 249 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: she had come downstairs on two different occasions. She came 250 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: downstairs once at about eleven thirty pm holding a phone, 251 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: speaking to security, looking out the door, nobody appearing, and 252 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: she went back upstairs, and about three or four minutes 253 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: later she came back down the stairs, so we tracked 254 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: her own surveillance. The only difference when she came down 255 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: the added article of clothing that she had. She'd put 256 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: a pair of clear sunglasses on top of her head 257 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: like as an ex three. She had a bandana on 258 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: her head, a little middrive t shirts, the shorts, and 259 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: her flip flops. She came back down, she went to 260 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: security again. She's looking out the door and she says, okay, 261 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: I'll be right back. I'll be right back. She told 262 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: security she was leaving. There's a video surveillance at the resort. 263 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: It's a small resort. She need a security guard. She's 264 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: caught on video. It's very clear to me she was 265 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: waiting to meet somebody. She wasn't just going out and 266 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: walking up and down isolated roadways in Jamaica. She was 267 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: meeting someone, correct, And you know, it seemed like something 268 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: that she probably intended to be something very brief meeting. 269 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: Because again, she didn't have a dollar in her pocket, 270 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: she didn't have an ID, she didn't have a bank card. 271 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: Her hair was not done as if she was going 272 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: out anywhere. She had no makeup on, she had flip 273 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: flops on. She was not going out of that hotel 274 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: with the intentions to anywhere. It seemed to me like 275 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: she was just going downstairs to meet somebody, may maybe 276 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: say hello, and whatever transpired from there, we just we 277 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: don't know the cod cause of death. A manner of 278 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: death is especially upsetting. Take a listen to our friends 279 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: at CBS to New York. Your daughter has been murdered. 280 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: They found her body on Saturday and they slid her throat. 281 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: She was found in the bushes up in the country 282 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: Desi raised. Grandparents owned a hotel near Montigo Bay called 283 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: Gibbs Chateau. Police were able to identify her body by 284 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: taking her photo to all the nearby hotels, and one 285 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: of them turned out to be her family's. The coroner's 286 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: office is conducting an autopsy do determine the cause of death. 287 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: She had to have been lured from that hotel because 288 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: she had nothing on her She didn't have a purse. 289 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: Jamaica is a beautiful country. Joe's a lot of people yearly. However, 290 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: women I advise them do not travel their loan. It 291 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: can be very dangerous. The men will lure you. Prime 292 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. I can't tell you how many 293 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: cases I've examined where women were lured by people that 294 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: complimented them, that took them to dinner, that showed them 295 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: attention at the pool sidebar, and the next thing you know, 296 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: they're either robbed, raped, or murdered. It happens on vacation. 297 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: We're talking about the case of a beautiful, young twenty 298 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: six year old with the world ahead of her, just 299 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: excited to be alive and happy, working her way toward 300 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: a film school, and absolutely stunning on the outside and 301 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: the inside Desiree Gibbon. I have in my hands right here, 302 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, the autop report, the post mortem examination report, 303 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: and I am struck by the veracity used to slash 304 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: her neck. I haven't seen anything like it really since 305 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: we examined the case of Nicole Brown, who practically had 306 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: her head severed by O. J. Simpson. Yeah, yeah, it is. 307 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: It is rather ferocious. And not only does this poor 308 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: woman have injury, this specific injury that's a little over 309 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: five inches and linked to the left side of her neck, 310 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: she's also got other injuries that are indicated by the 311 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: forensic pathologists that she may very well have grabbed the blade. 312 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: So that tells me as an investigator that she has 313 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: an awareness that she's being attacked. Nancy. Another interesting part 314 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: to this is that we keep hearing terms like slit 315 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: and slash and all this sort of thing that's not 316 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: what to cause death. Is this is a chopping injury Nancy. 317 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: And one of the first things that comes to my 318 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: for me is because the actually states that this is 319 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: a sharp, strong blade. So one of the things that 320 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: comes to me is a machete and it is used 321 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: to chop with that she used very commonly in Jamaica, 322 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: has been used for years and years to do things 323 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: like harvest sugarcane. So I'm thinking that more than likely 324 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: it's a big blade like a machete. It's a chopping motion. 325 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: The even states that the individual may have been right 326 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: handed that utilized this blade to bring about her death. 327 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: And so as he is cutting downward, and we know 328 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: downward because the m E is saying this poor woman 329 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: was in a knee lean position. This is a position 330 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: what we refer to as asymmetrical where you've got the 331 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: perpetrators standing above the victims down below, going from above 332 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: and downward in a chopping motion, and that's where you 333 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: get this force that goes all the way down to 334 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: the spinal I'm here, but she had an awareness she 335 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: was being attacked, Nancy. And the fact that there are 336 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: two two unknown DNA samples found from her body, I'm 337 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: thinking that these two individuals that facilitated this may very 338 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: well have been injured themselves. We've got male and female. 339 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: So where does the female DNA comes from? Especially because 340 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: because there's evidence that she took the weapon from the 341 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: aggressor because of a slice on her own hand, and 342 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: not only that, the autopsy states that it's not and 343 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: it's not possible to rule out participation of more than 344 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: one person. So it took more than one person to 345 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: murder Desiree Nancy. Can I just say one more quick 346 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: thing there per the pathologist examination, there is per their examination, 347 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: what I'm reading is there's nouce of a sexual assault here, correct, 348 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: So we have to surmise that this DNA deposit did 349 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: not come from seminal sample from the mail. This has 350 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: to be something else. And I got to tell you 351 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen when there's occurred the Jamaican police down there, 352 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: I don't think they were sophisticated enough to be looking 353 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: for touch DNA. This is going to be blood. I think. Well, 354 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: hold on, Joe Scott, because I think you're absolutely correct. 355 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Lanage Franklin tv J News, Jamaica. 356 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: The police say no suspect has been identified in her 357 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: daughter's murder. Even though interviews are being conducted, it's understood 358 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: that several CCTV footage of areas Miss Gibbon visited are 359 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: being examined. She was summoned from her hotel room on 360 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: Thursday night after Thanksgiving by text or phone call. Her 361 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: cell films are missing. She had both an iPhone from 362 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: back home and she had purchased herself a small local 363 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: area Jamaican phone. She left the hotel and she told 364 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: the security guard, I'll be right back, and she walked 365 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: out of the gate and to the right and down 366 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: just a short way because this res are extremely narrowful 367 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: people to double park or pull over. And she walked 368 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: to the car and she was never heard or seen 369 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: from again. Straight back out to Desires A mother or 370 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: Miss Andrew Gibbon. Miss Gibbon, am I understanding correctly that 371 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: her cell phone was taken one of her cell phones. 372 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: That's correct. Your iPhone from New York was missing. As 373 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: a matter of fact. Isn't it true that months later 374 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: calls were made to your family from her missing cell phone. 375 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: That's correct. My sister got two phone calls from Desires 376 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: phone number. The first call was about I guess by 377 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: thirty in the evening or so, nobody talked. They just 378 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: left the line open and then ultimately disconnected. And there 379 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: was a second call that same day about eleven thirty 380 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: pm that the missed call, and when you tried to 381 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: call the number back, it didn't go through. So it 382 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: was just extremely bizarre, you know, to doctor Jerry Crawls 383 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: in psychologist faculty Saint Leo University and author doctor Jory 384 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: who would do that? What person would call the murder 385 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: victim's family and then hang up repeatedly? That were the 386 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: individual responsible? That that is a form of like terror, 387 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: That's a way of getting further excitement. It's part of 388 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,479 Speaker 1: the fantasy that you know, murderers like this live in 389 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: so you know, to be able to revoke the fear 390 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,719 Speaker 1: from the attack by contact in the family and just 391 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: leaving it open like that. I mean, that's a tremendous 392 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: lead if they can locate you know, the cell towers 393 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: and things like that. That's the type of individual that 394 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: would make such behavior patterns to Mary Murphy, investigative reporter 395 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: or picks PI X eleven in New York, were the 396 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: calls ever traced to a location, I don't believe the 397 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: calls were ever traced. And you know, I'm really stumped 398 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: as to how far this investigation has even gone, because 399 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: I have tried the inspector Dwayne Fixon from the Major 400 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: Investigation of Divisions. Very recently. I spoke to him and 401 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: he's claiming it's not being considered a cold case. It's 402 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: still considered very much active, but we don't have new leads. However. 403 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: You know, when I kept pressing him, he said, we 404 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: have no active suspects thus far, and every lead lad 405 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: could dead ends, you know, and i'd Almoss given has 406 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: expressed concern that because of worries over how this might 407 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: impact to make a tourism that perhaps, you know, maybe 408 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: some investigors hope this will go away. In twenty seventeen, 409 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: that you make a tourist board was boasting that any 410 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: of the record four point three million visitor to the island. 411 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: So you know, you have to wonder do they want 412 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: this case to be solved? Do they want the case solved? 413 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: What do you make of that, Miss Gibbon. It's a 414 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: very hard till to swallow. I believe they actually have 415 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: no interest in solving her case at all. You know, 416 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: from the very beginning, it was swept under the rug. 417 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you actually, how we learned about Desiree's 418 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: murder is that it happened to be a journalist down 419 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: in Jamaica who called the Daily News and said, Hey, 420 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: there's an American girl here that was killed. How come 421 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: none of you are reporting on this yet? And that's 422 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: how it started to unfold. And you know, by the 423 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: time that I had gotten home from my mother in 424 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: law house after learning this, you know, every news station 425 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: was outside my home. So she was the one calling 426 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: to say, they're sweeping it under the rug. They're not 427 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: doing anything. You need to get down here. You guys 428 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: need to investigate. There's something very strange with this case. 429 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: You know, I am listening to what you said earlier. 430 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: You said, I'm angry at the circumstances. I'm angry at 431 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: your government. Compared to New York, it's definitely different. I 432 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: can't understand being such a tourist area, how you have 433 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: so many murders here? Do you remember saying that, Andrea, 434 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: I do. In fact, that year that Desiree was killed, 435 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: there were sixteen hundred and four murders on that small island. 436 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,479 Speaker 1: You know, Mary Murphy. I don't think tourists know that. 437 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: I didn't know there were that many murders on the island. 438 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: I'm very surprised to hear that. And you know, we 439 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: should also mention that at one point Desire's family was 440 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: trying to raise money to hire a private investigator who 441 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: was involved with the Natalie Holloway case. I know you've 442 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: done work on that. Anti that was the high school 443 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: seeing her and went to a Muba before Grays right 444 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: T J. Ward. Yes, desires family has been trying to 445 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: raise money in the past to get him to come 446 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: on board. I think he needed twenty five thousand dollars 447 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: to go to Jamaica and try to work on this coup. 448 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: Do you guys have a go fund me for that? 449 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: We do one. We do have a go fund me 450 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: that we started a new one because the old one 451 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: had expired because not a lot what's happening with the case, 452 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: and you know, you know, after a while, people kind 453 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: of move on. But we've been working very hard on 454 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: my side to to get Desiree story back out there, 455 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: to keep it alive. How do I find your go 456 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: fund me? Andrea? It's actually Justice for Desiree given dash murdered, 457 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: Justice for Desiree given, slash murdered, forward, slash murdered. Um. 458 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: But it's a dash, It's not a slash. Excuse me, dash, 459 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: Justice for Desiree given, dash murdered. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. 460 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand what the takeaway is and the 461 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: death of desire still unsolved. The tip line is eight 462 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: seven to six seven zero two six four five zero 463 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: or eight seven six seven zero two six thousand. When 464 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: I'm looking at what happened, Mary Murphy, I think that 465 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: the public is woefully uninformed. Here is this beautiful twenty 466 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: six year old girl heading to film school. She's staying 467 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: at her grandmother's resort. She is captured on video leaving 468 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: the lobby. She tells security guards I'll be right back. Then. 469 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: About two to three days pass before she's reported missing. 470 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: It's only when her body is found that anyone realizes 471 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: anything is amiss. What can we learn from it, Mary Murphy? Well, 472 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: what we can learn is you really can't trust anyone 473 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: when you're not in your own country, in your own city. 474 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: I mean, she probably just wanted to run out to 475 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: pick something up. That is the guests that I'm making 476 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: on you. Another thing I'd like to bring up is 477 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: that the authority from our country, the FBI, they're not 478 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: committed to go in and exist any investigation because they're 479 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: in health audentity. It would have to involve a request 480 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: from the Jamaican government for help to bring in a 481 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: US authority. So even though this young woman is an 482 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: American citizen, none of our people from this country can 483 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: go to Jamaica and try to help with the investigation. 484 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: And I know that her mother was trying to change that. 485 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: Gary Davidson, what can you tell us, Well, I read 486 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: the commentary in some of the articles about the desire 487 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: to have an intervention by the US government and Andrea 488 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: if it hasn't been done already, and through use of 489 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,959 Speaker 1: this you know, your your podium here, I would be 490 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: I would like to see Senator Schumer's office UH notified 491 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: of this situation and a request from and a request 492 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: made to his office to engage with the State Department 493 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: to to sort of turn around on the on the 494 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: Jamaican government and have the United States, through its diplomatic channels, 495 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: through the ambassador at the ambassador level, request permission to 496 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: have the FBI assist UH down in Jamaica. You need 497 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: a very, very sophisticated investigation at this point, particularly given 498 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: the amount of time that has that has passed. UM, 499 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: and the FBI is there's nobody better um, and it's 500 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: a long shot. It's it's unlikely that the Jamaican government 501 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: will agree to this, but given that the given that 502 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: this incident occurred in twenty seventeen and has somewhat cooled off, 503 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: it may be more politically acceptable at this point for 504 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: the government to agree to some further form of investigation 505 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: WELLBI being involved. Here's our friend Mary Murphy picks. You'll 506 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: haven't listen. The autopsy indicated that your daughter had fled 507 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: to death and she had a wound to her karate artery. Correct. 508 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just a devastating wound. Correct. Now, it's 509 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: almost a year later, Thanksgiving is when your daughter disappeared. Correct, 510 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: And a couple of days later her body was found 511 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: on the side of the road. Do you know anything 512 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: more today? We know nothing more today other than they 513 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: allegedly did get her iPhone records from the States, and 514 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: what the detective told me is that it did not 515 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: prove to be fruitful in the investigation. However, they didn't 516 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: discuss any numbers with me. They didn't share any numbers 517 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: with me, so I'm not really sure how they know 518 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: if anything is relevant or not in those phone numbers. 519 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: They have said to me the FBI is involved. I 520 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: have contacted them, and FBI, of course, just says we 521 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: can neither confirm nor deny that we're involved. Mary Murphy 522 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: picks eleven. I found it really hard to believe if 523 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: the FBI was involved, they haven't contacted the victim's mother. 524 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: It sounds odd to me. I would think if the 525 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: FBI was involved, that Miss Andrea Gibbon, the mother of Desiree, 526 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: would certainly know. She would have been interviewed at the 527 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: very least. And Miss Gibbon has already gone to Jamaica 528 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: at least once, if not twice. She went right after 529 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: her daughter was killed, and she was there on the 530 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: one year anniversary. So the authorities would definitely have people 531 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 1: to be Miss Gibbon from the FBI if they weren't involved. 532 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, let's follow up with that. Andrea Gibbon, who 533 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: told you the FBI was involved. It was the detectives 534 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: on the case. It was in Jamaica. In Jamaica, we 535 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: actually yes, we flew down there to recoup her body 536 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: and bring her home. I went down, my husband, I 537 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: went down for the one year anniversary of her death. 538 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 1: We interviewed with the new stations down there, we met 539 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: with the detectives, and there was no new information, There 540 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: were no new leads. They were quite annoyed h that 541 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: they had to sit and meet with me. We went 542 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: down on the second year anniversary and the same thing, 543 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: and finally he just told us. He says, misgiven, you're 544 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: too aggressive. You're just too aggressive. We don't want to 545 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: talk to you. Why are you here? So I said 546 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,439 Speaker 1: to him, what do you mean why am I here? 547 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: So my husband said, sir, you have to understand her 548 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: daughter was murdered on your island. How could you expect 549 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: her not to be upset, not to be aggressive when 550 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: she's not getting any answers. So, you know, I had 551 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: been in touch with the embassy multiple times too. It's just, 552 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, there's not a book, there's not a hand 553 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: to a lot of red tape. And that's exactly what 554 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: Natalie Holloway's parents told me they went through when Natalie 555 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: went missing on Aruba, and potentially the biggest lead other 556 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: than DNA, I hope taken from Desire's body. Take a 557 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: listen to Peggy Bruner speaking to our friend Mary Murphy. Listen. Well, 558 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: was a Sunday Sunday evening. I was cooking dinner, had 559 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: my cell phone ring. I was in the kitchen and 560 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: I looked at it and it Tom said Desi across 561 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: That was Desi's desires nickname was Desi. So I was 562 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: kind of like shocked, and I just kind of froze 563 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: for a minute. Then I answered it and I was 564 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: like hello, and um, there was just dead silent on 565 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: the on the end of the phone, and I didn't 566 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 1: hang up for at least two minutes. I was just 567 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: like hello, Hello, Hello. Nobody said anything, and then it disconnected. 568 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: And then I got another call that same day around 569 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: eleven forty six or eleven forty three pm. I was sleeping, um, 570 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: and when I woke up to go and answer it, UM, 571 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: it had already stopped ringing. I called. I called the 572 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: number back and it says this phone is no longer 573 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 1: in service. Very freaky. I mean, do you think someone 574 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: was trying to taunt you? Honestly, I don't. I don't know, 575 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, um, you know, there's some thoughts I 576 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: go through that maybe it was somebody who knows something 577 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: who was trying to reach out to a family member 578 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: to say, you know, you know, I know what happened, 579 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: but they were here to see something too, you Jessicat Morgan, 580 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: is there a chance that even now that phone usage 581 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: could be triangulated to at least an area where her 582 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: phone taken at the time of her murder, it was 583 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: being used. Yeah, you know, I gotta tell you, with 584 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: everything else that happens in Jamaica, or let me rephrase 585 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen in Jamaica, I have as many questions 586 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: about the reliability of being able to triangulate something from 587 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: this case from back then relative to what they have 588 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: held onto and what they've collected. I just I don't 589 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: see how this thing can be married up with this 590 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 1: given the slipshod way that they investigate cases in the 591 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: Caribbean engine and you know you're saying slipshod. That's really 592 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: putting perfume on the pig. When you travel out of 593 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: the US, you don't have nine one one, you don't 594 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: have an ambulance show up immediately, you don't have the 595 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: hospital services, the police, investigative services, none of that. And 596 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: Miss Gibbon has learned that in such a heartbreaking manner, 597 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: if you have information eight seven six seven h two 598 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:21,439 Speaker 1: sixty four or five zero FBI, where are you? People 599 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: at the embassy, where are you? Miss Gibbon needs you now. 600 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds, and it's not going to 601 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 1: unfold the Jamaican PD Nancy Grace crime story, signing off, 602 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,