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Speaker 1: for Wednesday, May fourth. May the fourth be with you,

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Speaker 1: We know it's with John Morant. This morning. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: But we have a special guest today following up yesterday's

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Speaker 1: this guy sat on an NBA bench next to Chris Paul. Okay,

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Speaker 1: A quick word. I'm not gonna say much about Boston Milwaukee. Um,

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Speaker 1: it was just a bad game. Boston jumped down. I

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Speaker 1: korey it don't matter dog, remember that line from a

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Speaker 1: former NBA assistant coach, former college basketball assistant coach, David Miller.

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Speaker 1: Jason likes to think he knows everything when it comes

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Speaker 1: that's how my like media took off. But how did

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Speaker 1: you go from playing to coaching? Was at the Bob

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Speaker 1: Knight front. Well, if you remember Ed Stits, he was

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Speaker 1: the athletic director at Springford College, He was the national

427
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Speaker 1: rules interpreter. A lot of people credit him with developing

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Speaker 1: and implementing the three point shot into college basketball. So

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Speaker 1: he was the a d there and you know ed

430
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Speaker 1: Billick was the head basketball coach there. And just in conversations,

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Speaker 1: and first of all, I still think I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be drafted. There's a chance his you Why not, just

433
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Speaker 1: like you and all the people that play in your

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Speaker 1: backyard in your full court pickup game. Okay, I still think.

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Speaker 1: But where it really hit me on a serious note.

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Speaker 1: First of all, when you go to Springfield College, you

437
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Speaker 1: get hit in the head with a sledgehammer Division two. Okay,

438
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Speaker 1: you're not going to the NBA. You know, I wasn't

439
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: that guy, and I wasn't that story. So that's that's

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Speaker 1: when it sunk in. And then what happened at Springfield

441
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Speaker 1: College is Dr Stits gave me the chance to coach

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Speaker 1: my last two years as an undergraduate. Because it was

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Speaker 1: Division two, it was there was a JV program, So

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Speaker 1: I was able to coach while I was in college

445
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Speaker 1: two years and that put me in a position to

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Speaker 1: get my graduate assistant ship, get my master's degree, and

447
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Speaker 1: then get my first job at the University of Texas.

448
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, so Texas. Were you there with BMW

449
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Speaker 1: or that that was Travis Mays, Uh, Blanks, Maze and right.

450
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: I was there, Bob Welley hired me and Travis May's

451
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Speaker 1: was a freshman from Ocala. Joey Wright transferred in Lance

452
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Speaker 1: Blanks transferred from Virginia. But yeah, we had those T

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Speaker 1: shirts made and sort of got into a little trouble

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Speaker 1: with BMW because we had the we had the symbol

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Speaker 1: and then we had BMW Blanks, Maze and right and

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Speaker 1: on the back it said the Ultimate scoring Machine. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was And I'll tell you I used that in

458
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Speaker 1: recruiting everywhere else I went because the one thing you

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Speaker 1: you did when you were recruiting back in the day.

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Speaker 1: If I was recruiting your son Bryce and he was

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Speaker 1: a point guard, you would want to know how many

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Speaker 1: point guards are in the program. What's the depth chart?

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Speaker 1: You want to know what his playing time is gonna be.

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Speaker 1: And what I would tell you is, first of all,

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Speaker 1: can't guarantee you anything, and you with blanks, maze and right.

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Speaker 1: Those were three legitimate. Two of them went to the league, okay,

467
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Speaker 1: and played point guards. So we played, we played three

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Speaker 1: point guards. We played. Alvin Hagges was a six nine

469
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Speaker 1: junior college kid lives in Houston, Texas. I think he

470
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Speaker 1: went to a Juco and Jacksonville. I mean we're talking

471
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Speaker 1: thirty years ago, and we had a big Brazilian and

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Speaker 1: you noticed when I say Brazilian, so you know he

473
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Speaker 1: wasn't a center. He thought he was our point guard

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Speaker 1: at seven one. And that was a team with those

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Speaker 1: guards that we made a run. So after coach Weltley

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Speaker 1: got released, I stayed on with Tom Penders and that's

477
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Speaker 1: when Tom Pender's really implemented the running horns. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that that that was. That was an unbelievable team. So

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Speaker 1: anytime I recruited and a parent said where is my

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Speaker 1: son gonna fit in, I'm like, if your kid can play,

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Speaker 1: we'll find a spot. And now we know it's positionalist basketball.

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Speaker 1: Back then, you know, everyone wanted to know this, that

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Speaker 1: or that. And after the third time you would ask me, Jason,

484
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Speaker 1: when how much is Bryce gonna play? Where is he

485
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Speaker 1: gonna play? I'd go, Hey, I'm going through a tunnel

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Speaker 1: near l a X. You're breaking up. Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1: R to listen live. You know, I love college US.

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Speaker 1: Obviously it's in a bit of a crossroads right now,

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Speaker 1: so you know, people don't seem to care as much.

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Speaker 1: But I know you obviously you did some TV out

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Speaker 1: here during the n c A tournament. You recruited at

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Speaker 1: Arizona State. Uh, any really awesome, juicy recruiting stories. Now

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Speaker 1: that you see the n i L stuff, kids are

497
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Speaker 1: getting offered houses and it's a negotiation from the jump.

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Speaker 1: Uh Was it like that back in the day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it wasn't called the n I L. It was

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Speaker 1: just called cheating. And so what you knew. What you

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Speaker 1: knew was, you know, it's sort of like as a

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Speaker 1: recruiter and I'm going head to head with you, and

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Speaker 1: if I know you're recruiting, I was never gonna turn you.

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Speaker 1: And you you know you you gotta do what you

505
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Speaker 1: gotta do. But I always wanted to know so the

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Speaker 1: guys that that you knew, And it's just it's like

507
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: in everything, everybody knows who cheats at work, everybody know

508
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: who bends the rules here and there, everybody knows in

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood. You know what wife or what husband you

510
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Speaker 1: know isn't isn't loyal, And I mean everybody knows. And

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Speaker 1: and so what I would do is if I found

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Speaker 1: out you were cheating, I would just pull out and

513
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Speaker 1: go to the next recruit because I was always scared

514
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Speaker 1: to cheat because all of a sudden, I cheat with

515
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Speaker 1: you and your son and it doesn't work out. I

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Speaker 1: have to figure out, Oh man, are they ever going

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Speaker 1: to say anything? And trust me? Back then, I could

518
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Speaker 1: tell you eighties seven different ways to cheat, okay and

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Speaker 1: not get caught. Okay, you just there there were there

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00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: were ways you could cheat and not get caught. But

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Speaker 1: how do you go to bed every night? I just

522
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Speaker 1: couldn't do that, you know, having a wife, wanting to

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Speaker 1: have kids, which we eventually had, you know, and wondering like, jeez,

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Speaker 1: if I wake up then The other thing is if

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Speaker 1: boosters are involved in cheating and they don't like the

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Speaker 1: style of play that you're playing, they don't like who

527
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: you're playing, it just opened up too many things. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was going on. I think it's absolutely a good

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Speaker 1: thing if it doesn't get crazy. Because here was my point.

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Speaker 1: I always thought schools made so much money n C

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Speaker 1: Double A. This is they made so much money off

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Speaker 1: these kids, the jerseys, the ticket sales, the n C

533
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Speaker 1: Double A appearances, the TV packages that I didn't think

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Speaker 1: these kids like everyone said, well they should get laundry money. No,

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Speaker 1: they should have got a little bit more than laundry money.

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Speaker 1: But here was the problem, Jason. You can't give the

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Speaker 1: same amount of money that you can give it Duke

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Speaker 1: in North Carolina and u C. L A to the

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Speaker 1: players at Long Beach State, to the players at us

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Speaker 1: D you know, to to to Florida International. You just can't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, think about if you just gave money from

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Speaker 1: the selling of Coca Cola at Michigan football games, how

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00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: much money they made to be able to spread it out.

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Speaker 1: But here was the problem that I had back in

545
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Speaker 1: the day. If a kid wanted to transfer, the coach

546
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: had to sign a release or he had to sit out.

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00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: But if a coach got offered a job, okay, from

548
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: East Carolina to just say North Carolina just using the

549
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: premise of a small school to blue blood school, the

550
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: coach could leave on Wednesday if he was offered the

551
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Speaker 1: job on Sunday and there was no repercussion. So I

552
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: never thought that was fair that coaches could leave, but

553
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: kids could leave. And then here's another thing. Your kid's

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Speaker 1: plan for me. Let's just say it U c l A.

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00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: And it doesn't work out for whatever reason. It could

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Speaker 1: be the kid doesn't like me or I didn't like him.

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Speaker 1: If I was a head coach, I could tell you

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Speaker 1: that I'm going to let you transfer to this school,

559
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: to this school or this school, but you can't go

560
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Speaker 1: to USC or Arizona or Cow because I won't sign

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Speaker 1: the release. I just thought that was unfair. So I'm

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00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: happy with what they're doing. But it's sort of like

563
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: the wild Wild West, and I'm thinking, well, all these

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Speaker 1: schools that have billionaires, do they have an advantage over

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Speaker 1: all these school toils that have a couple of millionaires

566
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Speaker 1: because the difference between a billion and a millionaire, that's yeah, significant.

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Speaker 1: You know, David, just listening to you talk, it's pretty

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Speaker 1: clear relationship to matter to you, uh significantly, it's how

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Speaker 1: you know. It sounds like that's one of the number

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Speaker 1: one things that's been a driving force behind your career.

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Speaker 1: I am curious, how do you handle that balance of, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I am friends with Chris Paul, but he just totally

573
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: at an awful game, and you know what, I've got

574
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: to go on TV or radio and criticize him. And

575
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: how do you handle that balance of I don't want

576
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: to crush the guy, but I've got to be realistic

577
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: because it's my job. That's a great question. And I

578
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: get asked that all the time by just my buddies,

579
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, guys that I went to school with that

580
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: are pilots or lawyers or doctors back east and uh.

581
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Speaker 1: And I always give this answer. You gotta keep it

582
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: one hundred And I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell

583
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: you who taught me that. Kobe Bryant. Okay, when I

584
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: was a college coach and would go to Laker practices

585
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: and and watch them practice. That's how I form my

586
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: real adult bond with Kobe Bryant, you know, going and

587
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: watching them work out. Jim Clemens was like a second

588
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: dad to me. That was on Phil Staff in Chicago

589
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: and with the Lakers. So um, all of a sudden,

590
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm on TV six days a week, okay, as an

591
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: analyst for the Los Angeles Lakers with James Worthy Chris

592
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: McGee um. At that time, I think I think Big

593
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: Shot Bob was with us or hadn't joined us yet.

594
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: Maybe Antoine Jamison was with us. But bottom line is

595
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: NBA players listen what you say. They listen to what

596
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: I say, and we're sort of small in that scale

597
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: where we could name you know, a hundred other people

598
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: that are people that have bigger names than us. Okay,

599
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: but they listen, and Kobe used to get on me.

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00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: This is gonna blow your mind. Kobe Bryant used to

601
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: get on me. He would go home and the time

602
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: Warner Cable channel would run seven, so you you do one,

603
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: you do one show, and it's on the next day

604
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: until you air the show live. He would get on

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00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: me because I was so soft on the players, And

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00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, that's ingenious because the one thing

607
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: I learned coaching Chris Paul is great players want to

608
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: be coached Kobe Bryant, and everyone says, oh, Kobe is

609
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: hard to coach. No, he wasn't. Everyone says Rondo is

610
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: hard to coach. You know who says that, The coaches

611
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: that it doesn't work, and they get fired because Rondo

612
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: is gonna call you out if you're an assistant and

613
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: you're trying to say, this is how we're gonna guard

614
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: the pick and roll tonight, okay in Chicago, or this

615
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: is what we're gonna do in Miami, and he's got

616
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: an idea that might be better. Well, the good coaches

617
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 1: and the successful ones have an open ear. Now. They

618
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: may not do it, but they're going to listen to you.

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Speaker 1: So Kobe Bryant got on me all the time, Why

620
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Speaker 1: are you so soft? And I won't mention names, and you,

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Speaker 1: of course you will mention names. You'd have to pay

622
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: me a lot of money. I couldn't do this for free,

623
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: but if you want to get a TV show, I

624
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: will let you know it all. But he goes, why

625
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: were you so soft on him last night? I go,

626
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: I go, I go, k B I wasn't soft. He goes,

627
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: tell me about his game right now, what he did

628
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: last night in the second quarter, you know, in that

629
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: three minute stretch and Howard Stern like with a lot

630
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: of words that I won't use on this podcast, and

631
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: you know I can use those words. I would just

632
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: I would just ramble and ramble and ramble. He goes.

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00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: He goes, that's what I want you to do. And

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00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: I said, I can't do that. I said, the Lakers

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Speaker 1: would fire me on the spot. I said, any TV

636
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Speaker 1: station would fire me. So you have to find You

637
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: got to tell the truth. Because you're a basketball fan.

638
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: You admitted that, right, you watch games seven Okay, you

639
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: probably take games and watch them. If you're watching a

640
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: game and I'm doing the post game show and I'm

641
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: not telling you the truth, I lose all credibility. But

642
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: you can't attack them. I have to explain it. I

643
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: have to dissect it. I gotta say why it worked,

644
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: why it didn't work. And then with coaches, you you

645
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: bring this question is great? Is not a Division one

646
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: college coach that I probably don't know? And all like

647
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: like Bill self, we we we rose the ladder together.

648
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: Mike Bray, you know when I got the job at

649
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: West Point and he was in Duke, he showed me

650
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: the ropes in recruiting in California when we would fly

651
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: out here. So for coaches, I never second guess them,

652
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 1: but I say what I liked, what I did like.

653
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: I'll say I might have done this if it was

654
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: my team, but no one knows the team better. But

655
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what's great To end this question, I

656
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: was doing a game you Tah and maybe U c

657
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: L a Pack twelve game on FS one, and Utah

658
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: needed a last second shot and of course, my my, my, my,

659
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: play by play guy says, coach take us in the huddle,

660
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: and without getting to coach talk, I said, if I

661
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: were them, I'm gonna go box set and I'm gonna

662
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: run an elevator screen, which means picture an elevator door closing.

663
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: You know, you shoot the gap, you come through, and

664
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: sure enough they ran it. When that happens, che ching

665
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: che chang che ching. So you know there there's a

666
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: lot of good about beating. That's what makes being an

667
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: analyst so much fun. You never win or lose the game.

668
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: I prepped the same way I would if I was

669
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: coaching a game, but at the end of the night,

670
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: I'll be one hundreds. Sometimes I'll feel bad if a

671
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: friend loses, but I'm not rooting for anyone to win

672
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: the game. What I'm rooting for is a great game.

673
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: Let's get to the current NBA playoffs. I am curious, Dave, uh,

674
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: most overrated player in the in the NBA playoffs this

675
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: year and the most underrated I'll get started if you

676
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: want a quick second. I think Kyrie Irving is the

677
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: most overrated player in the game. Uh. Tremendous player, just

678
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: not a team guy, not a winner, and underrated. I

679
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with Jason Tatum. I said it. I

680
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: was on Undisputed. I said he's the best one on

681
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: one player since Kobe. All these people came after me.

682
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: You're crazy, that's insane, Jason Tatum, Dave, it looks like

683
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: a top seven guy in the league in these in

684
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: this postseason. He's an amazing Yeah. When you hit me

685
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: with that, you blew my mind because I'm like, oh man,

686
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: I gotta I got to sit here and kill but no, no,

687
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: But with giving me that, That's why I like when

688
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: there's a board and you're on TV, because I'll tell

689
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: you what, you could have picked a better player than

690
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: Jayson Tatum. I I wholeheartedly agree with you, you know

691
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: the way, the way that he has taken over. And

692
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: trust me, remember that this Celtic team caught fire around

693
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: Christmas and and and you know they sweep Brooklyn. They

694
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,959
Speaker 1: really defended as a team. And you know, I could

695
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: tell you that Smart set the tone defensively. He can

696
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: guard anybody. But I thought Jayson Tatum has been playing

697
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: like a superstar. You are you are a You're a

698
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: hundred percent correct. You know what I what I would

699
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: say about Kyrie. You know, it's that he's so so

700
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: talented um, his handles, his finishes. I mean, I haven't

701
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: seen guys ever like that when he's on um um

702
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: and and and we know we missed most of the

703
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: season and when you talk to him. I was in

704
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: a gym one time, I think Phil Handy was doing

705
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: a workout and my my son David Miller, who's an

706
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: assistant at Xavier uh now in the Big East, he

707
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: was there and he was rebounding, and I'm watching, I'm

708
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: watching Kyrie and Jason. I gotta tell you, I left

709
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: there going that dude's a basketball genius. He's a basketball genius,

710
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: and he's one of the few guys in our game

711
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: that makes things look easy and and here I'm gonna

712
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: take a different thing and not and not not. You

713
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: know a lot of people have said he's fraudulent, but

714
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: you know he act number one, he acted within his

715
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: rights like a lot of other unvaccinated people in athletes

716
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: in any in any arena. And I just don't mean

717
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: an NBA arena to to not get vaccinated, you know.

718
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: And and unfortunately it hurt that team because he had

719
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: to miss all those games. But I I can't hold

720
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: people that accountable and react negatively to them because of

721
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: COVID because it was a first time thing. You know,

722
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: the questions that I have here, here's some issues. Does

723
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: he care about winning? I don't know because I'm not

724
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: in that locker room. I I could sit here and

725
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, gun to my head. I could say something

726
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: if you had my wife hostage. But that's not fair

727
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: because because you and I don't know Kyrie Irving. I

728
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: know Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant has been in my house.

729
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: I know Kde. I could name all these players as

730
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: we talk about that I know, but I don't know Kyrie.

731
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: But this is what I would ask him if I

732
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: was an owner at GM an assistant coach. Do you

733
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: care about winning? Do you care about your teammates? Um?

734
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: You know, is his ceiling higher than the ten ft goals?

735
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: You know? At my camp? I always say our goals

736
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Speaker 1: at m v P camp dot com are higher than

737
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 1: ten feet, And if you think about it, the goal

738
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: is ten feet. But I'm trying to make your son

739
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: or daughter learn basketball, but I'm preparing them for life

740
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: after basketball. I contact yes, sir, no, sir, going to

741
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: college when they're away from you and your wife and

742
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: going it's Thursday night. Should I go out and party

743
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: with my friends? Or should I finish this paper that's

744
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: due Friday at eight am? Those are the life lessons

745
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: that you teach. So there's issues with me and Kyrie

746
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: as a fan, not as an expert. You know, was

747
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: he unable or was he unwilling to help Kevin Durant

748
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: and the next this year? Those are the things that

749
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: I would have to research and figure out before I

750
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: could give an educated answer to say it was fraudulent,

751
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: because the one thing I respect about the league after

752
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: coaching in it, is that all those players, there's no

753
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: frauds there there for a reason. They may have bad days,

754
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: they have met bad weeks. You know. I asked Henry

755
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: Bibby one time on a flight. He was one of

756
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: my favorite seventies sixers. I grew up a seventy sixer fan.

757
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: Right with that team with George McGinnis, Henry Bibby, Doug Collins,

758
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: Darryl Dawkins, Cardwell Jones, No one talks about Steve mix

759
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: right all defense right out of North Caroline. I said,

760
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: I said, Hank, how did you know it was over?

761
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: And he said, because I'd have a great game, I'd

762
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: have two bad games. I'd have a great game, great game,

763
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: I'd have four bad games. So there are no frauds

764
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: in the NBA. I mean I look out there and

765
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: I say, how did Byron Scott, you know, and James

766
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: Worthy and you know my my showtime Laker friends not

767
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: make forty nine million dollars in a year, right, I

768
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: mean the league is saturated. The league is saturated. But

769
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: everybody in the league is there for a reason. And

770
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: if you're not, you expose yourself and you're you're it's

771
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: a country club. You're either in it for the for

772
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: the for the get go, or all of a sudden

773
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: they find out now that's not our type of country

774
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: club member and then you're out. Yeah, the problem with

775
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, asking Kyrie all these questions, even if he

776
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: gave the answer, I think I'm an action's over words guy, right,

777
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: and you know his actions have been just one of

778
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm not that. I just don't get the vibe that

779
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: he's that interested in being a team player. Do you well,

780
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: I would say this that I can't answer that. I mean,

781
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: what you're saying, I can't dispute it because facts are

782
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: facts and that's your opinion. So then what I would

783
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: say is, let's redo your contract. And again I don't

784
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: know if you could do this legally, but this is

785
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: just my thought process being on a podcast. Let's redo

786
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: your contract in order for you to get paid if

787
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: you really love basketball. And I think he came out

788
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: and said he wants to be there, I wouldn't where Okay,

789
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: I thought I heard that, But then I gotta say,

790
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: then we need to play sixty five plus games, you know,

791
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: sort of how players have incentives. You know, coaches in

792
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: college have incentives. I mean, isn't this crazy If your

793
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: team has a three point seven in g p A,

794
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna get five thousand dollars. Well, what the hell

795
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: do you think you're a college coach? For you, they're

796
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: supposed to have a three point seven and you're supposed

797
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: to make sure that they go to study hall. But yeah,

798
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: with you saying that, I would have to put something

799
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: in the contract that says you have to play a

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00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: certain amount of games or I'm cutting your contract to

801
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: uh to three point whatever the veteran minimum. And again,

802
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: I know there's rules and all that, but that would

803
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: just be my logical thinking. There's got to be a

804
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: number then, because if you're gonna tell me what I

805
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: want to hear, then the other thing is hey, being

806
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: a recruiter that I was, I knew the minute I

807
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: walked into somebody's house in a home visit if they

808
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: were into the visit or not. I'm not gonna give

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00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: you the player's name, but i'll give you the university

810
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: were against Kentucky, and we went in and we did

811
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: the best home visit that could have ever been given.

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00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: We get up and walk out the door, and as

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00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: we're walking down the sidewalk in Compton, all of a sudden,

814
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: the Kentucky coaching sacks is getting out of a car

815
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: and they're coming up. I looked at Henry Bibby. He goes,

816
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: how do you think it well as a coach? I said,

817
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: we did a great presentation, but we ain't getting that kid.

818
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: And he went to Kentucky. Wow. Oh that's a tough one.

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00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: Um how many people. Yeah, I'm gonna have to I'm

820
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: gonna dig around and see who who that was. I'll

821
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: figure it out. UM, quick question if you yeah, that's

822
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: a tough one. Yeah, Fred is really good. Players spend

823
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: a lot of time. But you know what, we ended

824
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: up beating them in the sweet six team. And you know,

825
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: here's the other thing, Jason, I don't believe that people

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00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: play with the chip. You got a chip, you can't

827
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: you can't dunk. You're gonna go your whole life walking

828
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: around and not having and not being able to dunk

829
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: a basketball. And Jason McIntire says, I got a chip

830
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: on my shoulder. I can't doun this crap that people

831
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: say on TV he plays with the chip. No he's not.

832
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: He's paying his mortgage. He's paying to get money for

833
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: his kids to go to school. And you know what

834
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: the modern day NBA player does. They don't think about money.

835
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: They think about generational wealth. You know, back in the

836
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: day when I was a sixer fan, hey man, all

837
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: the gold chains and Darryl Dawkins. Every time he had

838
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: a dunk, he got a new pendant, right, you know,

839
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: wasn't he from love Tron? And he named all his dunks.

840
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: People ain't naming their damn dunks. They're trying to figure out,

841
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: how can my kids kids be safe and sound with

842
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: generational wealth? Well, I so I just looked up that

843
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: USC team that made a run to the elite aid

844
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: Brian Scalabrini. I've done some some work with him. He's

845
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: a nice guy. Sam Clancy, um, hey, Sam Ancy, the

846
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: best player, Okay to come out out of Ohio. We

847
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: were able to go in and get there. What's funny

848
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: about Scalabrini. I went to watch his teammate Quincy Wilder

849
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: Regard that was with us for a year, and saw

850
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: Brian Scalabrini and called Henry Bibby and I said, I'm

851
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: gonna tell you one thing I've not coached. I've not

852
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: seen a big man that could pass like Scalabrini since

853
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: I coached John hot Rod Williams, the one from Tu

854
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: Lane that ended up playing with the Cleveland Cavalier and

855
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, ya, scal was a student of the game,

856
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 1: and then you know Sam was a student of the game,

857
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: but not as much. So I made them roommates when

858
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: they got to sc so that every time Brian wanted

859
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: to go to the gym, who do you think he

860
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: brought with him to get up shots? Sam? Sam Clancy

861
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: and then Jeff Trepan was phenomenal. Um. You know, David

862
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: Blutenthal from Westchester High School was on that team that's

863
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: always been the last cut. He was like the Michael

864
00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: Jordan of that team in Israel. Uh dunking machine right money.

865
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: His best thing was Mike Saschowski. After we lost in

866
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: the Elite eight to go to the Final four, Mike

867
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: Saschowski pulled me aside, and you know we have a

868
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: relationship from West Point, and he said, that was the

869
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: toughest guy we had to cover all season long. Because

870
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: what we would do with Trapani, we'd put him on

871
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: a wing and we'd have Scalabrini come up and set

872
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: a back pick. So picture Scalabrini is in the block

873
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: on the post and and and we put same side action.

874
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: So when Scalabrini came up to set that back pick.

875
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: What does his man have to do? If you know Trepan,

876
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: he's coming off for a lot. He's got to stay home, right,

877
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: you stay home? If not, it's a it's a slam dunk.

878
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: So we made them pick their poison because if he

879
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: stayed home, okay, boom, we got we we got, we

880
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: got that option if he helped. Okay, Now Scalabrini just

881
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: a little little you know, pivot shot elbows jumper like

882
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: David West. Yeah, oh man, that duke team that you

883
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: lost to had Batty Age Williams done leave Doohan? Holy

884
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: can Boozer coming off the bench. What a stack team.

885
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: I am curious when you recruited Scalabrini did did anybody

886
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: think he had an NBA future? Um? I would say

887
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: an NBA? Well what when he played obviously and started

888
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: winning games? But um no, I would say this. It

889
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 1: got hot and heavy with him once he it came

890
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: out in the scouting services that we were recruiting him,

891
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: because now all the other big schools came in, and

892
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 1: I was afraid. You know, you know what's crazy when

893
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: you have all these big time schools and big time

894
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: head coaches come in. You can recruit a kid for

895
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: two or three years and they lose out on somebody

896
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: and they come in and you can't blame the kid

897
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: for going. So no, I don't want to say that.

898
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I thought he was a pro the

899
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: moment I saw him. I'll tell you what I told

900
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: Henry Bibby. I said, if we can get Brian Scalabrini

901
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: paired with Sam Clansty, will have the best duo in

902
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: terms of big, inside out and everything we ran. Jason,

903
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring it to your house one day when

904
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm walking by. I still have the notebook and I

905
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: talked about it on CBS during March Madness. We ran

906
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: seventy eight plays. Not think of this, seventy eight quick

907
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: hit plays. And every player on our team knew those

908
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: seventy eight plays. They were numbered, and in those seventy

909
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: eight plays there were three or four quick hit options,

910
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: but everything ended in a baseline stagger with a Kansas

911
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: backpick and roll that got us in the high lows. So,

912
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, again not getting too crazy and trying to

913
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: chart something and we're on a podcast, is you know

914
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: it's a quick hit you got a backdoor cut. You

915
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: know you gotta pin down, you gotta double staggered. We're

916
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: looking to get jump shots. You got a cross screen

917
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: to get Scalabrini the ball. No go. We run a

918
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: baseline stagger and all we do is space the floor,

919
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: run a backpick lab for trapania, which we usually would

920
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: get and nothing there. You put the ball in Scalabrini's

921
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: hands at the high post. He can shoot it, he

922
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: can dribble it, he can pass, or he could hit

923
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: Sam Clancy on a duck in. And that's what made

924
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: that team get to the Elite eight is because we

925
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: had pieces that fit, Unlike the Lakers are pieces fit

926
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: and they worked. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports

927
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,400
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928
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930
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: We can wrap up with the Lakers. Um, you know,

931
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, let's say Genie Buss, who I'm

932
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: assuming you know, and Magic Johnson who you definitely know,

933
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: and uh company, they call you up. Dave, Hey, you

934
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: know what do we trade a d Do we do

935
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: we keep Rush? Do we trade him? Any thoughts Dave,

936
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: what do you how do we fix the Lakers? Be

937
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: blunt and honest. That's what you're best at. Well, I,

938
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: I you know, obviously I know Genie from doing you know,

939
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: covering her team, and I you know her father and

940
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: I had a much closer relationship because of his USC bonds.

941
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: So he would always invite Henry and Bibbie and I

942
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: to the forum and we eat with them, and we

943
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: go to the game and or we go up into

944
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: the suite. Um. So she's not calling um ramas, isn't

945
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: calling um pelink. I haven't run into for a while.

946
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: But you know, you you you you gotta get rid

947
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: of Russ and not. And I don't say that in

948
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: a bad way. I say it in an unfit way.

949
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very close to Russell Westbrook and his parents

950
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: and his younger brother. His younger brother played football with

951
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: my with my son Mikey that ended up playing football

952
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,479
Speaker 1: at San Diego State. So they are one of the

953
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: best families in basketball. And uh, you know, I just

954
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: I just love his family. But it just wasn't going

955
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: to fit. And and I see why they thought it

956
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 1: was going to fit, but but the pieces just did

957
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: not align it and that's not hindsight, you know. When

958
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: that happened, I was like this, this isn't going to work.

959
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: So you can't blame russ okay, because you don't tell

960
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: NBA guys to change their game a hundred and eighty degrees.

961
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: You just don't. You can. You can tweak it here

962
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: or there. Um. I said this. When they got Lebron,

963
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: it was all about winning championships, which they did win one,

964
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: and I thought they could win one more. You know,

965
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: people say two or three more. That's like with Shaq

966
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: and Kobe saying they could have won five or six.

967
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: You know, you get one championship out of that. That's

968
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: a good deal for l A. You get to man,

969
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: that's a really good deal. So Lebron was the present.

970
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: When they signed Anthony Davis, I thought, man, and you're

971
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: gonna go crazy. And a million people will say I'm

972
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: nuts when I say this, but I really thought that's

973
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: Kareem Abdul Jabbar, but not in the sense of his game,

974
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: but in sense of being that foundational piece, like I

975
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: thought people would come to play with a d after

976
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: Lebron passes the torch to the next great player, which

977
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: in the League. I'm talking and it's not a D

978
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: but a D. You know obviously, you know, breaking news,

979
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: he gets hurt a lot, breaking news. He misses games,

980
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: you know, And he's not trying to to miss games,

981
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: and he's not trying to get hurt, you know, it

982
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: just that stuff happens. But he hasn't been that guy

983
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: that I think when Lebron retires or leaves maybe to

984
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: go play with Brawnie somewhere, who knows what's gonna happen there.

985
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: But I don't know if Anthony Davis is that guy

986
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: that is going to be the magnet that is going

987
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: to pull them here. L A pulls it itself, Okay,

988
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: because of l A and because of those banners, and

989
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: because of Lakers and because of Crypto dot Com. But um,

990
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, I just I know that they needed youth.

991
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: I know that they needed athleticism. But son of a gun,

992
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: and I wish I could have cursed. I should have.

993
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: It would have been soldier man, son of a They

994
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: needed shooters, and what I saw was, you know, they

995
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: had takers, not makers. And you know what a lot

996
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: of haters about Mellow, but tell me, you tell me,

997
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: you tell me, hellow did his job, fourth or fifth

998
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: best player on the team this year. Yeah, and then

999
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: and then you get a kid from Oklahoma State. He

1000
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: did a good job. But when you're the Lakers, Kobe

1001
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: used to say this all the time. If you're not

1002
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: in a parade, the season sucks. If you don't win

1003
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: a championship, the season sucks. Kobe didn't care about numbers

1004
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: and stats. Kobe wanted to win championships and and and

1005
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: and you know, I just don't know. I think it's

1006
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: a mess. I mean I just heard today the Los

1007
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: Angeles Lakers. I don't know if this is true or not.

1008
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson is gonna help with their coaching search. Oh geez,

1009
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: tell me that's a that's a bad Rumor what is

1010
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: he's like eighty years old on a reservation in Idaho

1011
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah. Yeah, but you know they have the

1012
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: internet there, they have t and man, he's he's into

1013
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: reading books. I don't think he's studying the league. And like, well, listen, listen.

1014
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: He went to the Knicks and was supposed to redo

1015
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: the Knicks, and he left the Knicks worse than what

1016
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: he the total disaster, and and and and then it's

1017
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, d Fish. Then it's Kurt Rambis and you know, um,

1018
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: I just my advice, so they're not gonna call me.

1019
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: So maybe I'm just gonna get a billboard perfect. The

1020
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Lakers need to hire people from outside the

1021
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: organization that are basketball geniuses and not operate like a

1022
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: mom and pop shop. You know, that was good, That

1023
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: sounded great. You know, do you remember your parents telling

1024
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: you they walked twenty five miles to school in the snow?

1025
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 1: You know, you remember your your your uncle saying, well,

1026
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: one time they gave me a dollar thirteen cents extra change,

1027
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: and I walked back to the store. Bullshit, they do that.

1028
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: Your uncle kept the dollar thirteen and your parents didn't

1029
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: walk to damn school. So to say it's a mom

1030
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: and pop business, they're not competing against mom and pop

1031
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 1: businesses there. You know the guy next door, how many

1032
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: billions does he have? Yeah, I think he's the richest

1033
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: owner in the league. Yeah, hey, that ain't mom and pop.

1034
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: They need some fresh minds in there. They need someone

1035
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: in there who has the gravitas to listen to your stars.

1036
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: Of course you listen to your stars, but they need

1037
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 1: someone that's gonna say, really appreciate your input, will take

1038
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: it into consideration and then make the decision that's best

1039
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: because you know, you know what's crazy is I'll say

1040
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: this on your podcast and they'll all get mad at me.

1041
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: But Steven A. Smith can call him a dumpster fire,

1042
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: you know, Stephen A. Smith can you know, you know,

1043
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, keep it not going hundreds of thousand and

1044
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: then he'll come into Staples Center and still have a

1045
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: front row media scene, right. You know, I'll say something

1046
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: and you know I can't get a media credential. Um,

1047
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: you know because because you know, like I say, I

1048
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: love the Lakers. The Lakers were great and I loved

1049
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: every day man. I was able to be an analyst

1050
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: for them, and uh, you know I I cheer for

1051
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: the Lakers. But but they need they need a clean slate.

1052
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: They need fresh minds. They need people that can come

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Speaker 1: in here analytically and uh and put this thing together

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Speaker 1: because the league is best when l a the Lakers

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Speaker 1: are good, when the Nicks are good, when the Heat

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Speaker 1: are good. But Dave, do you think Genie Buss is

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Speaker 1: willing to say, you know, thanks for the input, Linda

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Speaker 1: and Kurt Rambis, thanks magic, But I I think we're

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Speaker 1: going to hand it over to some numbers guys, some

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Speaker 1: numbers geeks. We're gonna give it to the nerves and

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Speaker 1: see what they can go. I don't she will do that.

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Speaker 1: I think you would have done that already. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: no chance. So it's gonna it's gonna be the same

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Speaker 1: old thing, and Lebron's gonna get tanned. I want to

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Speaker 1: make sure this comes perfectly clear. She is so intelligent,

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Speaker 1: she'll forget more about business than I'll ever know. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's, it's it's And she's a great owner. She

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Speaker 1: is a great the way she deals with fans. And

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Speaker 1: when I'm at games and they walk by where she's sitting,

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Speaker 1: you know, in that first or second row there, I

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Speaker 1: think a section one twelve man, she meets, she greets,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, she's an unbelievable I mean, if

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Speaker 1: my daughter could be half the lady that Genie busses

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Speaker 1: in her professional life. That that's a home that no,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a grand slam. But it's not working right now.

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Speaker 1: You you've gotta have some other people come in there,

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Speaker 1: and you've got to hand the reins over to them.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I haven't seen that yet, and

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm wishful and I'm I fingers crossed that it

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Speaker 1: does optimistic but cautiously right. All right, he is Dave Miller,

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Speaker 1: great recruiter, college basketball guy, just a great talker. Dave, Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks for taking the time jumping on the podcast, and uh,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to you soon. We'll see you soon, my friend,