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Speaker 1: Lute force. If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Software Radio Special Operations Military mails on

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Speaker 1: straight Talk with the guys in the community.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Welcome to the episode of soft Rep Radio. I

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Speaker 2: am your host, Rad and I have a very special guest.

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Speaker 2: I have former Brigadier General, author of Total Empire, Anthony

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Speaker 2: Jay Tata. And Anthony has been more than just an author,

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Speaker 2: more than just a brigadier you know, he's.

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Speaker 3: A US citizen.

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Speaker 2: He helped put the flag over our head at night,

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Speaker 2: and you know, he's worked in politics, and it's got

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Speaker 2: to be a very difficult place to be when you're

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Speaker 2: trying to become an officer and moving a career where

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Speaker 2: there's politics involved heavily. You know, the name tape says

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Speaker 2: US Military, you know, US Coast Guard, US Army.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: And once you hear that, how do you keeping it

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Speaker 2: real in the military? It's day's climate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, RN, thanks so much for having me on.

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Speaker 5: And I'll tell you, you know, anytime that I'm introduced

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Speaker 5: with PI Accolades, I never believe my own press releases.

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Speaker 4: I'll just tell you a real quick story.

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Speaker 5: We were in Afghanistan, I was a deputy command in

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Speaker 5: general there. My special operations colonel asked me to fly

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Speaker 5: down with him to combat area. We spent the day

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Speaker 5: down there after, you know, tending to are wounded. And

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Speaker 5: on the way out, we're standing in a poppy field

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Speaker 5: about chest hie and poppy and it's me the Special

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Speaker 5: Forces colonel, his radio operator and my radio operator. And

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Speaker 5: his radio operator turns to him. We're waiting on the

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Speaker 5: helicopter to come in and says, hey, sir, we've got

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Speaker 5: a intercept that the Taliban is across the river in

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Speaker 5: Hellman Province, and they have a sniper with instructions to

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Speaker 5: shoot the one without the rifle. And I look at

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Speaker 5: then Colonel Reader. He's got his rifle strapped across his chest.

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Speaker 5: I look at his radio guy, he's got his rifle.

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Speaker 5: Look at my guy, he's got his rifle. And I

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Speaker 5: always carried a rifle, and we had been in such

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Speaker 4: I had my pistol, but not my rifle.

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Speaker 5: Colonel Reader retired now Major General Reader looked at me,

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Speaker 5: spit some tobacco juice into the end of the poppies

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Speaker 5: and smiled and says, sir, it looks like you're about

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Speaker 5: to have a bad day. I said, colonel, consider this

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Speaker 5: a direct order and give me that rifle. What he

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Speaker 5: did not do. It was a jokey moment though. We

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Speaker 5: kind of kept moving around. So the sniper, you know,

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Speaker 5: if he shot, he did and hit anybody, that's for sure.

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Speaker 5: Helicopter comes in and we get out of They're just fine.

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Speaker 5: So the point many don't make too much of your rank,

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Speaker 5: don't make too much of your you know, but prior

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Speaker 5: bona fide is, you know, you live today and treat

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Speaker 5: everybody kindly and move out and draw a fire.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think that being your radio man would

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Speaker 2: have been a pretty cool gig.

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Speaker 4: Huh, all right, right exactly exactly?

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Speaker 2: You know, did you guys have a pretty good intuition

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Speaker 2: you and your radio man was a regular individual that

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Speaker 2: was always with you, trusted, I have to imagine, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, Yeah, yeah, I had a security.

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Speaker 4: Team, a radio guy and Amy Camp and.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it takes four or five people to kind of

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Speaker 2: Norman Swartzkoff said, why was she just put stars all

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Speaker 2: over my vehicle and let him know where I'm at,

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Speaker 2: because you got so many damn antennas on it, right.

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Speaker 3: Exactly exactly like exactly, you know, the one.

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Speaker 2: Without the gun, the one with all the security. It's like,

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Speaker 2: It's all subdued rank if at all, you know, But

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Speaker 2: posse with you, bro, how do you go around when

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Speaker 2: you're surrounded like that? Is that is that that's challenging

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Speaker 2: I mean I ed alleys the whole nine yards. I mean,

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Speaker 2: and it's the people of the region.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, how'd that go down? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: The technology work and as we maneuver around, because you do.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the risks that a flag officer or senior

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Speaker 4: Out every day faces.

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Speaker 5: I mean, those those guys and gals face a far

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Speaker 5: so they know, they know. And we had to go

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Speaker 4: Of there, had to go through a traffic circle.

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Speaker 5: And you know, thankfully nobody was injured, right, But it's

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Speaker 5: the troops and the trenches slugging it out every day

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Speaker 5: that have the high risks that are carrying the weight

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Speaker 5: at the tip of the sphere.

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Speaker 2: The Marines is, from their understanding, is the tip of

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Speaker 2: the spirit. So we'll just leave them a shout out.

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Speaker 2: Leave it at that right there, Submarine Corps, right and

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Speaker 2: so you know, doing the job.

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Speaker 3: Army, I know you're out there.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I'm just going to shout out Coast Guard

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Speaker 2: branches out there, right, National Guard reservist friend of mine. Right,

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Speaker 2: So he had a sign in the beginning of OEF

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Speaker 2: week in a month, my ass. And he had it

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Speaker 3: It's like one weekend in the month of my ass.

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Speaker 3: He's like that funny, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I always give a pitch out to the Guard

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Speaker 2: or to the units out there that if you're looking

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Speaker 2: or any other agency out there to say these things.

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Speaker 2: I just think that if you're inclined to want to

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Speaker 3: And see if take a point in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: You know, see if you do have asthma.

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Speaker 4: All right, exactly exactly right.

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Speaker 3: At least you can eliminate it.

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Speaker 2: I think most most guys growing up, if I may

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Speaker 3: Have gone through it.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's been some facet in their life where

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Speaker 3: Is this the day that I decide to join?

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Speaker 2: Or you've got the guy that's the patriot, he's already

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Speaker 3: I'm like, how did you know such a direction at seventeen?

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Speaker 2: He's like, well, I want I want a Lexus And

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Speaker 2: he's always sitting there polishing boots. He's like, how many

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Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't know any seventeen year

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Speaker 2: I was like, it's like everybody's got their goals, right,

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Speaker 2: everybody's got their goals, all right. We shined our boots,

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Speaker 2: so I figured you'd get that part right there, and

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Speaker 4: Right right right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I spent many hours shining boots and shoes

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Speaker 5: and all that stuff as a young cadet at West

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Speaker 5: I mean it's those are habits that stick with you

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: And that's some leadership habits too that come from that.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know you're already being productive in your day,

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Speaker 2: you're going to wait, you know, make your bed.

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Speaker 3: Shine your shoes.

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Speaker 2: Really we shine our shoes, you know, uh, got fully dressed,

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Speaker 2: you know, the whole night you brushed, shaved, showered, productivity, right,

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Speaker 2: didn't just slop around to the kitchen with the bowl cereal?

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Speaker 3: Although now right right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, so for you to transition from such a

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Speaker 2: the Department of Defense where you transition to the is

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Speaker 5: So I performed the duties of Under Secretary of Defense

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Speaker 5: the Undersecretary for Policy. There are several undersecretaries, but policy

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Speaker 5: like in military you have the G three, the operations officer.

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Speaker 5: The Undersecretary for Policy falls within that domain, responsible for

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Speaker 5: all the war plans, responsible for all the strategic capabilities,

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Speaker 5: responsible for the entire world. You have people assistant secretaries

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Speaker 5: you and say, okay, you know, Navolvni got poisoned by Putin,

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Speaker 5: and so you have to submit a series of policy responses,

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Speaker 5: potential policy responses to the president.

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Speaker 4: Via the sector. And so it could be we do nothing.

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Speaker 5: It could be we strongly condemn with a statement. It

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Speaker 5: could be we kick diplomats out of the United States.

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Speaker 5: And it's a series of options that you lay out

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Speaker 5: and then obviously you recommend one and then you discuss

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Speaker 5: And so that's the type of position it is that

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Speaker 5: you know, I wasn't there obviously when Russia started moving

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Speaker 5: are a series of options that you can do and

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Speaker 5: concert with State Department, and so State Department would have Okay,

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Speaker 5: we can do diplomacy here, you know, DoD you could

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Speaker 5: say we should send a brigade combat team from the

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Speaker 5: eighty second Airborne to Poland to demonstrate.

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Speaker 4: Resolve and show NATO unity.

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Speaker 5: That's the kind of thing twenty four to seven that

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Speaker 2: And so do you feal that, you know, with your

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Speaker 3: That's what they did.

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Speaker 4: That was the agreement. Ukraine give up it's nukes.

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Speaker 5: And what I kept telling my NATO peers and we

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Speaker 4: Well that didn't happen. What happened is you.

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Speaker 4: There have been no discussion, there have been no you.

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Speaker 4: Then there was no diplomacy.

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Speaker 5: Not only did we you know, mess up the Afghan

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Speaker 3: And I mean, man, I'm married twenty three years. I

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Speaker 3: Right, right, right, But yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, that's right, that's that's that's a very

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Speaker 5: The you know, at the end of the day, though,

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Speaker 4: And so he did and that led to what we've

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Speaker 5: You know, Russia's invasion Ukraine, illegal, improper, and moral, all

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Speaker 4: You had the Serbs and a very brutal.

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Speaker 5: War attacked the Bosniacs of Croatians Herzegovidians, and they came

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Speaker 5: But you can't you can't even have that conversation today

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Speaker 4: Settlement, you're a Putin stoode. You're all in with Russia.

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Speaker 5: You get attacked by you know, the liberal media, which

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Speaker 4: With Putin or anybody. And yet they're not.

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Speaker 5: Backing up what they're saying with their own blood and treasure.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, that's a very cool take on that thought I

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a little bit of this left.

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Speaker 2: On his plate that you know, was that I think

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Speaker 3: And first of all, I'm liberal with my ketchup and

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Speaker 3: So I feel that that's a label. So if you're

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Speaker 2: But but again, you know, I feel that it was

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Speaker 2: he has said it. Vladimir has said he wants to

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Speaker 2: which is Belarus.

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Speaker 3: Hellooe.

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean, if he's going to put any

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Speaker 2: it's late.

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Speaker 3: It's too late.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's way too late.

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Speaker 5: Putin is exactly what you're saying. That's the re vantism

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Speaker 3: I'm an empire drawing the Middle East. It's true, it's true.

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Speaker 5: And this really is sort of a naked play for

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Speaker 4: It's Obama and Biden who have given in to putin.

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Speaker 5: Obama gave him Crimea and sent blankets instead of javelins

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Speaker 4: So those are the facts on the ground.

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Speaker 2: I mean, try to force patriotism with a mini gun

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Speaker 2: it's like you.

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Speaker 3: Love this country?

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean yes, yes, I do you know you're

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So what I see there is China filling a

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Speaker 4: It's very clear.

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Speaker 5: And so they have come in and so from China's perspective,

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Speaker 5: there where China will then do whatever it intends to

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Speaker 5: do regarding Taiwan. That's my reading of the Tea Leaves here,

439
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Speaker 5: and again, this utter lack of diplomacy from Antony Blincoln

440
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Speaker 5: and the Biden administration is breathtaking. The level of incompetence

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Speaker 5: that I see right now from this administration and dealing

442
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Speaker 5: with foreign policy, whether it's Afghanistan, China, Russia, it's staggering.

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Speaker 5: And it's because in part because we're so focused on

444
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Speaker 5: domestic stuff that is meaningless and not on the major

445
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Speaker 5: geopolitical chess match that is constantly happening, and all the

446
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Speaker 5: chaos here in this country is just music to the

447
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Speaker 5: years of the Geese and Putins of the world.

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Speaker 2: Right And so do you think that with Iran right

449
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Speaker 2: now being out of the peace agreement with oil where

450
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Speaker 2: they were producing oil for you know, the world, they

451
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Speaker 2: had that supply going with Obama in fifteen, do you

452
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Speaker 2: think that dealing with policy you know yourself, do you

453
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Speaker 2: feel that that was the right move for the Trump

454
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Speaker 2: administration to pull out of Iran like that and just

455
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Speaker 2: like nipping. But because I want to point out, I

456
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Speaker 2: know there's a lot of talk about TikTok and social media,

457
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Speaker 2: but I'm on it and I see it, and there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of the youth of Iran, all right, and

459
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Speaker 2: I say, I'm youthful. I'm forty five now, but this

460
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Speaker 2: has been going on for some time, and so you

461
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Speaker 2: know there's the thirty year olds, the twenty five, the

462
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Speaker 2: thirty forty year olds who are like, you know, we

463
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Speaker 2: just want to listen to DJ music. We just want

464
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Speaker 2: to export the oil that is in the reserves that

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Speaker 2: they have. They don't want to be under you know,

466
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Speaker 2: the regime that has taken them over since the seventies, right,

467
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Speaker 2: that turn them into who they are today. And there's

468
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Speaker 2: this underground that wants what we want them to have.

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Speaker 2: How can we help them? We were helping them, but

470
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Speaker 2: then it got pulled out. I feel that was a

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Speaker 2: rug pulled out from the situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. You make some very good points there.

474
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Speaker 5: It's like there are good relevant social cause applications for

475
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Speaker 5: social media, this being one of them.

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Speaker 4: TikTok.

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Speaker 5: We dealt in the administration with China every day, and

478
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Speaker 5: in particular their technology and Tencent and TikTok and all

479
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Speaker 5: the apps that they have, And the big concern from

480
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Speaker 5: our perspective was it's an information collection operation so that

481
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Speaker 5: they can you know, build databases of users within the

482
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Speaker 5: United States used appropriately the tiktoks and youtubes and all

483
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Speaker 5: that can help galvanize and gain momentum for movements. The problem,

484
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Speaker 5: particularly with the Obama example, you made it, you know,

485
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Speaker 5: became a hashtag. You know, people could hashtag something and

486
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Speaker 5: feel good about it and then go go, you know,

487
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Speaker 5: to their you know, big dinner.

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Speaker 2: Thoughts, some prayers over Facebook, like my thoughts and prayers

489
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Speaker 2: are for you. You know, it's like either side saying

490
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Speaker 2: thoughts or prayers, it's like really yeah yeah, and.

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Speaker 4: Then they could feel good about them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, either side it was about them.

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Speaker 5: It was about the individual saying, oh yes, I hashtag Iran,

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Speaker 5: you know, revolution and you know now I'm sipping my

495
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Speaker 5: champagne at my.

496
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Speaker 2: I rounded up my chain. Yeah, it's like my, I

497
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Speaker 2: my good deed, right, and that does culminate into a

498
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Speaker 2: big waterfall. I get the good deeds. I don't want

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Speaker 2: them to stop. But but that's you can't say thoughts

500
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Speaker 2: and prayers man on Facebook aren't going to solve it. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

501
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Speaker 2: Realism is going to solve it and solve it and

502
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Speaker 2: having an understanding and diplomacy, open channels communication, teamwork. NATO

503
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: needs to be a team anybody like they just brought

504
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Speaker 2: Finland into the world of NATO. So now you you know,

505
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Speaker 2: it's got to be communication, open lines of communication. Now,

506
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Speaker 2: how do you handle somebody who is throwing a tantrum?

507
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Speaker 2: How do you handle somebody who throws a tantrum? How

508
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: do you communicate with them? You know, our kids what

509
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Speaker 2: do they get?

510
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Speaker 3: They win?

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Speaker 2: You know, kids are the best negotiators when it comes

512
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Speaker 2: to negotiating, because if we went into a court, into

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Speaker 2: a courtroom, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Your honor, this is the law. I tell you, this

515
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Speaker 3: is the law. This is the law. You just threw

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Speaker 3: a tantrum. Yeah, maybe he could throw you out. I

517
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Speaker 3: don't know. But in the corporate office, you would get

518
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Speaker 3: your way the negotiation.

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Speaker 2: If you were a kid, what if that person now

520
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: has the red button under his thumb in any country, right,

521
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Speaker 2: how do we handle that kid who's throwing a tantrum.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the concern, right is.

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Speaker 5: And that's what's happening today even with you know, any

524
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Speaker 5: of the issues that our country confronts, whether it's abortion

525
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Speaker 5: or Second Amendment or or whatever.

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Speaker 4: You have for the most part, man and man coverage

527
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Speaker 4: on so.

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Speaker 5: To speak on you know, people who are have high

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Speaker 5: profiles that are you know, Supreme Court justices or or

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Speaker 5: you know politicians, and people get in their face and

531
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Speaker 5: you know, while they're eating dinner. And and that's Alensky's

532
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Speaker 5: rules of warfare is to be as disruptive as possible,

533
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Speaker 5: carry that message forward. That's how you're going to achieve

534
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Speaker 5: social change. And we're in a real time in this

535
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Speaker 5: nation we're so politically divided, the celebration of the indictment

536
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Speaker 5: of a former president, you know, love him, hate him.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 4: All your listeners out there, it's like, you know, take

539
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Speaker 4: a step.

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Speaker 5: Back from that and say, this is a harbinger for

541
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Speaker 5: our country. This is this is a really tough spot

542
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 5: for us to be in, and it's a symptom of

543
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Speaker 5: a disease that is plaguing our country that could ultimately

544
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Speaker 5: fundamentally destroy the republic in which we live.

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Speaker 2: Now, what's coming out in other news outlets are you

546
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Speaker 2: know you mentioned Supreme Court justices, you know, and I

547
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: know that's not really our conversation, but you know, getting

548
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: all these trips from best friends who are billionaires and

549
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: stuff like that, you know, and reporting a Bible that's

550
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Speaker 2: nineteen thousand dollars in value from the same person, but

551
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Speaker 2: nothing else.

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Speaker 3: It's like, right, why.

553
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Speaker 2: Would you report the one thing at one point but

554
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Speaker 2: then think you don't report nothing else after that point.

555
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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I think that once you get

556
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Speaker 2: through your service to self and you've serviced a country,

557
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Speaker 2: which you've done, and you know, the Department of Defense

558
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: you just kept going, You're like, give me another Bard code.

559
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Speaker 2: My life, so I can scan into this id badge

560
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Speaker 2: me what turns you into the author of all these novels,

561
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: whereas I know the character is like a general that

562
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: goes out and get gets around a little bit. So

563
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Speaker 2: tell me about Total Empire. Since we've been talking about

564
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Speaker 2: empires and China and everything, this is kind of a

565
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Speaker 2: culminating topic here, So tell us about Total Empire and

566
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Speaker 2: what spurred you on to be this writer?

567
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Speaker 3: Sir.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, you know, I've always written all my life,

569
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Speaker 5: even as a young kid. I can remember coming back

570
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Speaker 5: from baseball practice when I was twelve or something like that,

571
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Speaker 5: So what do you want to be when you grow up?

572
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Speaker 5: And I said, well, I want to write fiction novels,

573
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Speaker 5: you know. And he laughed and said, you got to

574
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Speaker 5: put food on the table. You're going to have a

575
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Speaker 5: family and all that. And I've always had this creative spark.

576
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Speaker 5: I've always been a big, big reader. I was a

577
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Speaker 5: kid that elementary school that would come back from book

578
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Speaker 5: fair day with, you know, more books than I could

579
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Speaker 5: ever read, right, And my parents would look at me

580
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Speaker 5: like I'm crazy, But I'd devour them and I'd read them,

581
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Speaker 5: and I transitioned from being a consumer of entertainment to

582
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Speaker 5: wanting to understand how to produce it at a very

583
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Speaker 5: young age. And so I quit watching TV because that

584
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Speaker 5: was like a p If you're watching TV, you're not writing.

585
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 5: And so I quit watching TV and I started writing.

586
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 5: I said, I want to be a producer of entertainment,

587
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Speaker 5: not a consumer of entertainment. And I watched TV and

588
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 5: all that, but the larger principle is organize your time

589
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Speaker 5: so that you can produce. You have to understand television,

590
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 5: film books to understand what sells and what works, and

591
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 5: it's really all about character. A Total Empire is the

592
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Speaker 5: second book in the General Garrett Sinclair series. It's my

593
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 5: fifteenth novel i've had published. Sam Martin's Press McMillan is

594
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Speaker 5: my publisher, And the basic story is Sinclair has to

595
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 5: lead his Dagger Task Force, which is responsive to the President,

596
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Speaker 5: on a mission to find his goddaughter who in the

597
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Speaker 5: Eye of Africa, which is this obscure terrain feature in

598
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Speaker 5: Mauritania where there is some Chinese activity happen and as

599
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 5: he gets there, the race against time unfolds as China

600
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Speaker 5: has built a laser targeting system to guide hypersonic glide

601
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Speaker 5: vehicles outer space and they're laden with nukes on them.

602
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Speaker 5: And so the whole concept of this came to me from,

603
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 5: you know, our ballistic defense. Our nuclear defense is primarily

604
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Speaker 5: based upon our ability to detect ballistic arcs of missiles launched.

605
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Speaker 5: And when it starts smoking in the hole in China

606
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Speaker 5: or Russia or wherever it's going to come from.

607
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: And the hatch opens up and you pick it that

608
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Speaker 4: you know, we see that we are tracking it.

609
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Speaker 5: And I'm not giving away any state secrets here because

610
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 5: it's all out there on the internet. But it's that

611
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Speaker 5: parabolic arc that we can tell the speed, you know,

612
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Speaker 5: based upon the parabolic art, where the destination is. And

613
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 5: so all this hypersonic glide vave equal stuff that's been

614
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Speaker 5: going on development.

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Speaker 4: Of hypersonic weapons. Traveling at mock eate, I.

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Speaker 5: Thought about, well, what if China, which has some space

617
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Speaker 5: shultar light vehicles, put a nuke on a hypersonic nuke

618
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Speaker 5: on it, and it's coming back through outer space and

619
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Speaker 5: there's no parabolic arc, there's no signature. It's just been

620
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Speaker 5: out and outer space undetected. And now it's moving at

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Speaker 5: mock eight toward a target and you can't intercept it

622
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Speaker 5: because you don't know what it is, where it is,

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Speaker 5: there's no arc, and you know that's the logical end

624
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Speaker 5: state for all this kind of stuff. So that's the

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Speaker 5: threat that I create with China and Total Empire is

626
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Speaker 5: a story about the human cost of combat and the

627
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 5: stakes at hand when you ultimately pay that ultimate price

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Speaker 5: to protect and defend this country.

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Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy that you've written fifteen fifteen books, right, okay?

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Speaker 2: And Saint Martin's Press, you know, good job. I think

632
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Speaker 2: I should give a shout out to Isabella. She's I

633
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Speaker 2: think the one that arranged us to talk today, so

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Speaker 2: we'll give We'll give her.

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Speaker 3: A shout out, a nice shout out. I think she'd

636
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Speaker 3: like to hear that because she's probably gonna listen.

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Speaker 2: How did it go?

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Speaker 3: Rat Anthony? Tony, Tony? How it was it?

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 3: Do we say? Mars Press, Total.

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Speaker 5: Empire, Isabella Vanessa or my publicists and they do a

642
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Speaker 5: fantastic job, a red renegade and they do an awesome job.

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Speaker 5: They're they're wonderful people to work with. And then Joe

644
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Speaker 5: Ronaldi at Sant Martin's Press is my publicist.

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Speaker 4: There.

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Speaker 5: Joe's great mark Resnik, My editor is fantastic. His his assistant,

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Speaker 5: Lily Crownig, is tremendous. And I really, you know, I

648
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Speaker 5: was doing a podcast yesterday with Don Junior and and

649
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Speaker 5: I said, you know, I really have to give thanks

650
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Speaker 5: to McMillan and Sant Martin's Press for tremendous support.

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Speaker 4: They've shown me.

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Speaker 5: As politically divided as this nation is, they have stood

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Speaker 5: by me one percent. They're great people, great Americans. And

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Speaker 5: you know, whatever political differences are out there, if there

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Speaker 5: are any, I don't know. I'm not a political guy

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Speaker 5: much contrary to what people will read about me. I've

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Speaker 5: always been a solutions oriented leader. Y. You know, I

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Speaker 5: left the military, I got into education. I wanted to

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Speaker 5: make the world a better place for those most underserved populations.

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Speaker 5: The DC public schools in County Raleigh and you know,

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Speaker 5: very very large school systems with very tough missions, and

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Speaker 5: then Secretary Transportation in North Carolina about connecting more rural

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Speaker 5: populations to education and employment centers. So for me, life

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Speaker 5: has been about making a difference, as my mother always

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Speaker 5: told me to do. And the writing has sort of

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Speaker 5: ballooned into this whole separate path where I get to

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Speaker 5: entertain and it's the fulfillment of a childhood dream.

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Speaker 3: The producer.

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Speaker 5: Just turned in books book sixteen to Mark Resnik and so,

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Speaker 5: you know, sixteen books.

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Speaker 4: That's not a bad writing.

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Speaker 3: No, that's not that's not at all though. That's actually

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Speaker 3: really cool.

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Speaker 2: And I hope something turns out to where they get

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Speaker 2: adapted into something furthermore for you. And I'm on set.

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Speaker 2: I hope you need a long haired or you can

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Speaker 2: cut it off. I'll tell you right now. The beer

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Speaker 2: doesn't make me I'm me Yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Can certainly write that in.

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Speaker 5: You know, A cool guy that keeps his father's flag

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Speaker 5: on the mantle of the fireplace.

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Speaker 4: That's that's that's all I need to know right there.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Here, I'll give you my eyes. There's my

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Speaker 3: soul for you, sir. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that is very kind of mean you.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, I think we've had a wonderful conversation and

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Speaker 2: I would love to have you back talking about your

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Speaker 2: next book or talking about other things going on.

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Speaker 3: In the world.

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Speaker 2: Right you're very knowledgeable about that, So just keeping you

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Speaker 2: on the on the burners, you know, if you have

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Speaker 2: anything you want to say where we can find your book.

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Speaker 2: I know it's out there. It's called Total Empire. Can

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Speaker 2: they find it anywhere books are sold?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, it's been out a couple of weeks now

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Speaker 5: and it's in Barns and Noble, indie bookstores all across the.

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Speaker 3: Country bookstores, that's right.

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Speaker 5: I did signings and with Coyle Ridge and Raleigh, with

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Speaker 5: Barrow Beach Book Center, Palm Beach Bookstore.

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Speaker 4: I did a signing in Virginia Farms and Noble.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then I was out out and murdered by

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Speaker 5: the book half Price Books in Houston and Dallas and Phoenix,

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Speaker 5: I did Poison Pen. Those are all indie bookstores. I

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Speaker 5: support indie bookstores and we all need to do that.

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Speaker 5: And so yeah, it's it's on Amazon, of course, and

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Speaker 5: anywhere you can find it. Total Empire will be there.

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Speaker 5: I always tell people if if you read and you

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Speaker 5: love it, give me a five star Amazon review. If

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Speaker 5: you don't send me a personal email.

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Speaker 2: Trying to get that five stars, huh. You got out

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Speaker 2: with one, now you're trying to get the other four.

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Speaker 2: There you go, one star general, you I don't want

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Speaker 2: a five star general now.

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Speaker 4: I'm just playing right right now I'm happy with the one.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I'm just glad that I'm not in regulations anymore.

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Speaker 4: Right, right, exactly.

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Speaker 2: I'll still slide the paper across your desk to you, though, sir,

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Speaker 2: I got you, okay, I got you.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being a part of softwarep Welcome to

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Speaker 2: the soft rep family. And you know, as the host

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Speaker 2: of soft Reap, I'm grateful to Brandon Webb who helms

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Speaker 2: this ship that I'm aboard. You know, he also is

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Speaker 2: an author with Saint Martin's and you know, writing books

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Speaker 2: out there traveling and doing the same type of thing.

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Speaker 3: And believe it in me to run the show and

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Speaker 3: to shout out about our merch. We have merch.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you like the show, you like anything

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Speaker 2: that we're doing, buy a shirt. It keeps the lights on,

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Speaker 2: it really does. I love what I do, and I

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Speaker 2: want again thank you to my guest Anthony Tta Tony

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Speaker 2: Aj the author Brigadier General, Sir, thank you for your

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Speaker 2: patriotism to our country and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Rod and tell Brandon, I said, Hi, we

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Speaker 5: drank whiskey on set one time, and and it was

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Speaker 5: some strong stuff so way.

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Speaker 3: Back in the day, probably Japanese.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when it was for starting.

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Speaker 2: Well, here we are and I'll be sure that this

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Speaker 2: stays in there. So thank you, General, I appreciate your time,

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Speaker 2: and again on behalf of everybody that's listening and watching,

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Speaker 2: I say peace

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to self Repladia