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Speaker 2: There's never been more engagement in the NBA than there

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Speaker 1: I get it. You know, we got to respond to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do a big, big, big can tell me

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Speaker 3: to win? I do a big, big, big sing it again.

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Speaker 3: I do a big, big big tell me to win.

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Speaker 3: I do a big, big big sing it again.

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Speaker 4: I do a big.

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Speaker 3: I do a big, big big sing it again.

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Speaker 5: I do a big.

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Speaker 4: What is up?

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Speaker 6: What is good? How you living? How you feeling? How

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Speaker 6: you doing? This is the big podcast with Shack where

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Speaker 6: we always do it big and Shack. You know how

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Speaker 6: I know this one's really big. You put on your glasses,

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Speaker 6: you put on your studious look for our guest today,

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Speaker 6: So I ask you, may I give him his big introduction?

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Speaker 4: Yes you may.

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Speaker 6: Hailing from Ryan, New York, raised on earthwind and fire,

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Speaker 6: this man attended Duke University and his aspirations grew higher,

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Speaker 6: entering the NBA in ninety two. Like the dominant Shack,

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Speaker 6: he started in entertainment, but rode that leadership track, fortifying

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Speaker 6: the young stars, celebrating the old. The name might be silver,

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Speaker 6: but he's only taking gold. Welcome inside the virtual Shahokah Lounge.

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Speaker 6: Commissioner of the NBA, Adam Silver.

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Speaker 1: That was tremendous. Thank you, Adam.

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Speaker 4: He didn't make that up. He got that off chet

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Speaker 6: I should not I made that up. But Shaq Commissioner

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Speaker 6: and I were both lovers of earth Wind and Fire.

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Speaker 6: Are you also in this group? Do you love earth

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Speaker 4: Of course I love earth Wind and Fire. We all

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Speaker 4: fair with me. First question is not on my last commissioner.

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Speaker 4: Do you ever get mad? I've never seen you get

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Speaker 4: mad under any circle. Do you ever get upset?

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Speaker 2: I do, and I try to conceal it when I am,

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Speaker 2: I think we're going through a transformative period in the league.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's quite remarkable. Day in and

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Speaker 6: And I'm curious, do you ever see your storylines, your

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, honestly, Adam, one of the things I

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Speaker 6: So inside, the NBA is returning to Thursdays. You're with

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Speaker 6: All right, Commissioner, I have the general big break question

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Speaker 2: So again, you know, there's still diversity in the league.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons.

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Speaker 4: You know how you guys, you and Missus Stearn always

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Speaker 2: First of all, the message we're still delivering to players

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Speaker 2: creating its own infrastructure in its own regulatory body. I mean,

433
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Speaker 2: my preference would still be to have federal legislation on that.

434
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Speaker 2: But you know, I think on balanced, well, I'm pretty

435
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Speaker 2: convinced on balance, you're still better off with legal, regulated

436
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 2: betting rather than a huge illegal market. And what we

437
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Speaker 2: also saw, remember talking about this back before legalized betting

438
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 2: started the United States, that even when it was essentially illegal,

439
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 2: if you went on Google or any of the major

440
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Speaker 2: search sites and put in bet NBA or bet NFL

441
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Speaker 2: or any of the major leagues, you could there were

442
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Speaker 2: endless numbers of sites. I guess they were technically offshore,

443
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 2: but they still had little MX logos et cetera. You

444
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Speaker 2: know it wasn't. You know, you can still put your

445
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 2: had a card in and bet, but there was no

446
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: transparency for the leagues, So weren't I believe we'ren't a

447
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: better place now, But there's no doubt there's problematic betting

448
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Speaker 2: out there. I mean, the good news is that when

449
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 2: it's legal, we can detect it. I mean there's still

450
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Speaker 2: an enormous amount of illegal betting that's going on with

451
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Speaker 2: bookies as well right now, but there's not as much

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Speaker 2: transparency there.

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Speaker 6: Commissioner. I'm getting a little annoyed for you, and I'm

454
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Speaker 6: curious how you feel. There were certain things that I

455
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Speaker 6: thought were untouchable when it came to the NBA on TV.

456
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Speaker 6: Christmas was one of those. MLK was one of those.

457
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Speaker 6: And now every time I look up the NFL is

458
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Speaker 6: putting games on the same days that I thought were

459
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Speaker 6: NBA days. It kind of seems greedy to me, And

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Speaker 6: I was curious what it seems like to you.

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Speaker 2: I for us, it's it's it's I think it's completely

462
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Speaker 2: appropriate for them to compete in whatever fashion they think

463
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 2: is in their best interest. You're entitled to be annoyed.

464
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Speaker 2: I think we welcome the competition in some ways. Actually,

465
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Speaker 2: I really believe this that it's a rising tide for

466
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Speaker 2: all sports. If you look at where major live sports

467
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: now are on television, really any platform, because you're seeing it.

468
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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Christmas Day the competition in terms of the

470
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,719
Speaker 2: NFL was on Netflix, you know, which only a year

471
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Speaker 2: ago was saying they weren't likely to go into the

472
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Speaker 2: live sports business. So for me, if you look now

473
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Speaker 2: at the dominance of live sports on television, you know,

474
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Speaker 2: increasingly on streaming, I think that's really healthy. One of

475
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Speaker 2: the things that I love to see. And yeah, there's

476
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Speaker 2: competition among the leagues, no question about it. But as

477
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 2: production has gotten better, innovation has gotten better about how

478
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 2: around how to deliver games. I mean, just think about

479
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: it now, Shack. You know, for certainly early in your career,

480
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 2: if you wanted to see you play, you know, you

481
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 2: had to get in front of a traditional television, you

482
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Speaker 2: had to get home, you had to be it had

483
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Speaker 2: to be on a national network. I mean, now, if

484
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Speaker 2: you have a phone, you can watch every single game.

485
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,239
Speaker 2: If you're a fan of Victor Weban Yama, you can

486
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 2: see every San Antonio Spurs game. It's either going to

487
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: be on ant national network, or it's going to be

488
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Speaker 2: on League Pass, whether you know you live in Atlanta

489
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Speaker 2: or wherever you are, So, you know, Adam, I think

490
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Speaker 2: that the good news is that it is a rising tide.

491
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Speaker 2: The competition, I think is healthy, and I think, just

492
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: like in sports, competition is good. It's how our system works.

493
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Speaker 2: It keeps us on our toes, it pushes us to

494
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Speaker 2: get better, and hopefully it pushes the other leagues to

495
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Speaker 2: get better as well.

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Speaker 4: You know, back in our day, Commissioner, there was only

497
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Speaker 4: traditional media. Now there's traditional media versus social media. Now

498
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 4: the game has always been global. You've helped make that

499
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Speaker 4: a staple of our league. But social media fans seem

500
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Speaker 4: to think that you are going to, in addition to

501
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Speaker 4: the two teams you're adding one day, possibly have a

502
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Speaker 4: team in Barcelona, have a team in Madrid, have a

503
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Speaker 4: team in Russia. Is that a thought process to, you know,

504
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Speaker 4: really make it a global game. Have NBA cities and

505
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Speaker 4: cities in Europe all in the same schedule.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well so so number one.

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Speaker 2: As you will know, we're very much a global game now,

508
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: of course, and you know basketball is the number two

509
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: sport in the world. After soccer. I was over in

510
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Speaker 2: France this past summer for the Olympics. At least it

511
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: was my view that we were the hottest sport in Paris.

512
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Speaker 2: You know, we saw some of the best basketball played,

513
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Speaker 2: some of the iconic games, you know, in Serbia against

514
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Speaker 2: France in the gold medal game, you know, and Shack.

515
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Speaker 2: I think these these numbers are roughly right. When you

516
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: joined the NBA and when I joined the NBA in

517
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two, I think roughly five percent of the

518
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: players in the league were born outside of the United States.

519
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: We're now getting close to thirty percent. And as we've

520
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Speaker 2: mentioned before, I mean some of the names, you know,

521
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Speaker 2: I've said, you know, it's whether women Yama or or

522
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 2: or Tetakumpo. Are you know, the very best players Luca.

523
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Speaker 2: You know, I could go on, you know, some of

524
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: our very best players, Joker, et cetera. You know, we're

525
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Speaker 2: born outside of the United States, so it's truly global.

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Speaker 2: Then the separate issue is are we at a point where,

527
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Speaker 2: you know, outside of Canada, we could have additional teams

528
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Speaker 2: outside of the United States. I mean, before you asked

529
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Speaker 2: about Europe specifically, but you know, I'll mention that you know,

530
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 2: Mexico City is a market that we've been playing regular

531
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Speaker 2: season games and not just preseason games for a long time.

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Speaker 2: I think that's potentially very doable. It's closer to get

533
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: to Mexico City from New York than to get to

534
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Speaker 2: La you know, there's other issues involved. It's not about

535
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 2: to happen overnight. But I think that's a real opportunity

536
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Speaker 2: in Europe. One of the things we're looking at right now,

537
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: and in fact, we're playing over in Paris, the Indiana

538
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: Pacers and the Spurs, you know, bringing Victor home to Paris,

539
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: are playing two games in late January there. And one

540
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Speaker 2: of the things we've been discussing is whether, before we

541
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Speaker 2: add NBA franchise in Europe, whether there's an opportunity to

542
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Speaker 2: do some sort of league, independent league in Europe, you know,

543
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Speaker 2: taking advantage of the enormous interest in the game and

544
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Speaker 2: these great European capitals like Paris and London and Berlin,

545
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Speaker 2: you know, Madrid because you know, other major cities in

546
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Speaker 2: Europe that love basketball. So that's something we're looking at.

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Speaker 2: And then the issue, I mean, again, you're you've always

548
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Speaker 2: been ahead of curve Shack as a technologist. Part of

549
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Speaker 2: the issue here one I'll generally call it technology, and

550
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: it goes to air travel. Like you know that when

551
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Speaker 2: I was younger, there used to be supersonic flights from

552
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: Kennedy to Charles de Gaull Airport in Paris, and we

553
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: no longer have those. I know, I've read at least

554
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: that there are other supersonic jets sort of that are

555
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: in the process of coming to market. I think if

556
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: air travel were faster between the United States and Europe,

557
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: it would certainly make it a lot easier. I mean,

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00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: the NFL, of course, is playing a fair amount of

559
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: regular season games in Europe. But when you're playing once

560
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: a week and you can have a bye week, it's

561
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: much different. We're playing roughly three and a half games

562
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Speaker 2: a week, the impact of air travel, time zone changes,

563
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Speaker 2: et cetera. It would be much more difficult for us.

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Speaker 2: But I think, you know, one day, maybe it'll be

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Speaker 2: my successor, but I could jet.

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Speaker 1: I could definitely.

567
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: See, you know, a division of NBA teams in Europe,

568
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Speaker 2: and I think it would be an incredible thing for

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Speaker 6: All right, I have a TV scheduling question. I've talked

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Speaker 6: to my guys Scooter Vertino at T and T, so

592
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Speaker 6: I understand there's like a draft before the beginning of

593
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Speaker 6: the year for which teams you get on your air.

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Speaker 6: I had a lot of my friends hitting me up

595
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Speaker 6: this past weekend because the Thunder played the Celtics and

596
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Speaker 6: the Knicks great games. There was two back to back

597
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Speaker 6: battles of Jokic and Wemby that were like musty TV,

598
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Speaker 6: and I had to explain to my friends that the

599
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Speaker 6: games that were on National TV had New York, Chicago, Atlanta, LA,

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Speaker 6: like major markets, and typically before the year, those are

601
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Speaker 6: the teams that get picked. But now as we're seeing

602
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Speaker 6: some of these games, do you think we can ever

603
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Speaker 6: get to like the NFL where there's a flex schedule

604
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Speaker 6: where if the Thunders playing the Celtics instead of only

605
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Speaker 6: being on local markets, how do we bump that up

606
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Speaker 6: so that's on a major network and we can all

607
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Speaker 6: watch that game and we're not going, why can't I

608
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Speaker 6: watch this right now if I don't have lead best?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, I had a couple of things.

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Speaker 2: One is I think if you look at our schedule now,

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Speaker 2: it's less a focus on so called big markets, rather

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Speaker 2: on the teams that have had as you're building the schedule,

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Speaker 2: that have either had the most success in the prior

615
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Speaker 2: season or based on you know, trades or a high

616
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Speaker 2: draft pick, are anticipated to be the better teams going

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Speaker 2: into the season. So it's it's and the good news.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, look no further than Oklahoma City right

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Speaker 2: now in Cleveland, So certainly it doesn't correlates once.

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Speaker 6: So TNT on Thursday night Oklahoma City.

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Speaker 2: And right so it's not so the great thing we're

622
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Speaker 2: seeing in this league, and I think that we're seeing

623
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: far more parody than we've ever had historically, six different

624
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: champions over the last six years. That I think though,

625
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: back to technology, what will enable us to have.

626
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Speaker 1: A lot more.

627
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: Fair ability in choosing games beginning next season is the

628
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Speaker 2: fact that we're moving to streaming services in addition to

629
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Speaker 2: traditional media. And once you're on streaming services, you no

630
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Speaker 2: longer have what I call the shelf space issue that

631
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Speaker 2: you do in traditional television. Obviously, if the game is

632
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: on TNT, there's only going to be one game on

633
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: at a time. If you have a doubleheader, one follows

634
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Speaker 2: the other. If you then have the availability of streaming

635
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: services in addition to traditional television, there is no shelf

636
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Speaker 2: space limitation whatsoever. So you can still keep the game

637
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: that was initially scheduled to be on that air, not

638
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Speaker 2: so called flex it. When you have such a dense

639
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: schedule like we do, it's much harder to flex the games.

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00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: But so you can still have that game that you

641
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: scheduled back in August, you know, to still appear on

642
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: January fifth, or whatever it is. But because you have streaming,

643
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Speaker 2: you can then show those other games nationally as well.

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Speaker 2: And so I think what you're going to see through

645
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Speaker 2: this next set of television deals where every game is

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Speaker 2: going to be available on a streaming service beginning next year,

647
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Speaker 2: not just the League Pass games, but every game that

648
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: there'll be tremendous optionality for our fans. And so if

649
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: that matchup is one where wasn't anticipated going in the

650
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: season to be a great matchup, or it may just

651
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: be your particular interest you're a huge San Antonio Spurst fan,

652
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: or you're a huge Oklahoma City Thunder fan and you

653
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: want to watch every one of those games, you're going

654
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: to be able to commissure.

655
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Speaker 4: There's a lot to talk about viewership, whether it's up

656
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 4: or down. I like to hear you your point of

657
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 4: view of that, and you think we'll ever get consistently

658
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 4: the same views like we got on Christmas Day.

659
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, we're about even with last year

660
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: right now in terms of our ratings. We were down

661
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: initially in the season. We were up against the World Series.

662
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: Obviously there was a national election going on which was

663
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: driving a lot of viewership towards politics. But now after

664
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: we had a huge Christmas Day, as I said, we're

665
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: up on ESPN and ABC. We're down a little bit

666
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: on our other networks, but roughly even for the season,

667
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: and that's roughly even with last season. And last season

668
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: was our highest regular season viewership in four years, So

669
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: we're doing fine from a viewership standpoint. I mean, I

670
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: hear the narrative and I think it's nothing new. You've

671
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: been around the league for a long time, Shack. You know,

672
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: you know it's a bit of a sport to pick

673
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 2: on the league on occasion.

674
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: I get it.

675
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: You know, we got to respond to the critics as well.

676
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: But I think the fact is, you know, part of

677
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: the reason for the new change in the new television

678
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: deals is that One of the advantages of the NBA

679
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: is that we have a very young audience and audience

680
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: that advertisers like, an audience that influencers like, but they're

681
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: not watching as much traditional television that they historically did.

682
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,479
Speaker 2: I mean, it's interesting, you're younger than I am, Shack,

683
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: You're still I'm now in that official older demographic in

684
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: that something like seventy percent of primetime viewership is comprised

685
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: of people fifty five and older. You've got a few

686
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: years Togo, Adam's got a longer time to go. But

687
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: young people, they're watching an enormous amount of screen time,

688
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: but not traditional television.

689
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: Right, It's social.

690
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: Media, you know, it's social media, broadly described videos on

691
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: social media, certainly streaming commission as.

692
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 6: Your views on YouTube, like cutups of games get like

693
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 6: ten million by the next morning. This younger generation is

694
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 6: watching the ten minute version and a crazy amount, like

695
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 6: those numbers are staggering.

696
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: No, it's a great point because by almost any measure,

697
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: there's never been more engagement in the NBA than there

698
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: is at this moment, no time in our history. And

699
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: I'm not just talking about globally, and you look at

700
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 2: it as a global league absolutely, it's not even close,

701
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: but even domestically, but people are consuming our games and

702
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: other forms. It doesn't mean that it isn't part of

703
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: my job to find ways to get our fans or

704
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: potential fans to watch more games live. I mean, I

705
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: think that's very important for the health of the league.

706
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: And part and you began this conversation around storytelling. Part

707
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: of what I think we can do better is not

708
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 2: just tell the larger stories about players in their lives

709
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: and off the floor and all that, but the nitty

710
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: gritty what YouTube, streaming, all these different channels allow us

711
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: to do. Your podcast frankly, allow fans to better understand

712
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 2: the game. I mean, I like, just one example, just

713
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: even Jannis has been making transformative changes to me in

714
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: his game this season. He's reduced his number of three

715
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: point shots against that trend. He's playing more in the

716
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: in the paint. He's he and he's talking about it,

717
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: and and I think and and he's even talking about

718
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: how he's learning a new aspect of his game, you know,

719
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: playing at the elbow, playing under the basket. And when

720
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 2: you read a story like that, then when I'm watching

721
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: Milwaukee play, I'm looking at something else.

722
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: Like it.

723
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 2: It creates deeper engagement. It's like, all right, so instead

724
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: of sort of the type of commentary where you know

725
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 2: that side didn't want it tonight, you know that side

726
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: not playing as it's like really trying to understand, like

727
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: what's Doc Rivers doing with that team? Like trying to

728
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: understand why has Cleveland had the success they've had so

729
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: far this season? You know what makes Kenny such a

730
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: great coach? You know, it's it's like, what's really happening?

731
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: And I think that if to be I'll be self

732
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: critical here about the job the league is doing. I

733
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: think we have to do a better job and not

734
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 2: just leave it to commentators, critics, you know, fans to

735
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: tell those great stories about the game itself, why this

736
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: game is so special. Why I began by saying this

737
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: transformative era in the league. What it is that you

738
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: should be looking for as a fan. What's going to

739
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 2: draw you in to understanding what makes these players so great?

740
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: What why a combination of certain players on the floor

741
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: is working in a way that that another combination of

742
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: players isn't.

743
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: And I think it's like and.

744
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: Thanks to you know Turner inside the NBA, you know,

745
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: nobody does it better than you guys. It's you know,

746
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: and which gives me an opportunity to shock, to say shaq,

747
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: like keep the band together.

748
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 4: Yes, I understand. I think a lot of times with

749
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 4: the old heads are not on point. It is because

750
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 4: in this thing of ours, we have more great stories

751
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 4: than we don't than than than we have stories. What

752
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 4: I mean by that when you think about this game,

753
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 4: you can go back to the sixties and seventies. You

754
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 4: can go Rustle, you can go magic and go Larry

755
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 4: Mike Kobe. Myself and I was taught as a youngster

756
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 4: that if people are going to pay to what you perform,

757
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 4: you put on a show. So I think a lot

758
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 4: of times when we as old school players and old

759
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 4: heads don't see these guys put on the show and

760
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 4: they're making a lot of money and they're going to

761
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 4: make it harder for you. I think if they're not

762
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 4: putting on the show and we have to pay these

763
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 4: prices and these streaming services, so I think we get

764
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 4: on them so they know and understand. It's not that

765
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 4: we're hating. It's like we want them to know and understand, like, bro,

766
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 4: you're making fifty million, you deserve it, But that little

767
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 4: kid that you don't want to see you play. Don't

768
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 4: be saying you're taking the night off when you're not

769
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 4: really hurt that little kid that wants to see you play.

770
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 4: I know the three is open, but if don't you

771
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 4: think if you can just go baseline and dunk and

772
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 4: just throw it down, it will just protect this thing

773
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 4: of ours. So you know, a lot of people may

774
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 4: think it's coming from hate, but for me, it's coming

775
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 4: for love. I want you to put on a good

776
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 4: show to protect this thing of ours. Guys like Charleston

777
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 4: only made two or three million. I was lucky. I

778
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 4: came into ninety two and like always tell people, Commissioner

779
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 4: my dream. My dream was to make eight million for

780
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 4: ten years. That was my whole dream. And then I

781
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 4: got lucky, and I don't know what you and missus

782
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 4: Stearne did, but it went boom and went crazy and

783
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: then I got another hit at one hundred and I

784
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 4: was like, but my whole process was, Okay, you're paying

785
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 4: me all this money. I got to put on a show.

786
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 4: So I just want people to you know, know and

787
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 4: understand that it's not us us just hating. It's like, hey,

788
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 4: we don't think you put on a show tonight. We

789
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 4: think you need to put on a show to protect

790
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 4: this thing of ours. Now, when I say this thing

791
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: of ours, you know exactly what I'm talking about, Commissioner,

792
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 4: because you've done a great job of getting these kids

793
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 4: allowed a lot of money, and I commend you for that.

794
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for saying that. Maybe I'm saying some

795
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: of those things privately and not publicly, but I think

796
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: you know, I've heard someone say before that the greatest

797
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: form of caring is on and I think there is

798
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: that sense from you know, you and your crew, you

799
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: know on inside the NBA that it's you're in the family,

800
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 2: it's and that the things you're saying are coming from

801
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: the heart.

802
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: And so I love the.

803
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: Show and I appreciate the fact that you guys are

804
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: willing to be directed. It doesn't necessarily mean that everybody

805
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: has to agree all the time either, you know, but

806
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: it's it's an honest point of view. And to your

807
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: point about are this generation of players, I think it

808
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: is important that they hear from those who came before

809
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: them the greats of the game, and not just sacrifices

810
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: they made, but how they approach the game. That there

811
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 2: is an entertainmentertainment side to this that ultimately all of us,

812
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: you know, are here because of the fans. You know,

813
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 2: I'm fortunate to be in this position because of the fans.

814
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: All the current NBA players, and this whole huge ecosystem

815
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 2: built around the NBA that, believe it or not, accounts

816
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: for something like fifty thousand jobs when you start, including

817
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: the people who work Dave Game and the arena and

818
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: everything else are all It all comes down to those

819
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: four and fifty players, but them understanding that this is

820
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: about something bigger than themselves and that yes, at the

821
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: end of the day, it's about the competition and it's

822
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: about doing all they can to win. But there is

823
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: an entertainment side to this. And then and part is

824
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: the realization that and it goes to television ratings. One

825
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: thing that's different from the old days. There's unlimited options

826
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: right now. If you want to sit down and look

827
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: at a screen, you could be playing a video game,

828
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: you could be looking at YouTube. You can be looking

829
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: at unlimited numbers of videos on social media. And you

830
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: know what, if I think my cable system has two

831
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: thousand channels, and then you go to streaming and multiple

832
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: streaming services. So the competition is fierce, and I think

833
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: autam that goes back to your question about other leagues,

834
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: you know, or the NFL on other on holidays that

835
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 2: we're on. It's like, I welcome the competition. I mean,

836
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: we have to get better as well. I mean, and

837
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: it's one thing that's what I lose sleepover. You know

838
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 2: that it's every day people are making an election to

839
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: pay their money. I need to go to an NBA

840
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: game or you know, every literally every moment you're watching

841
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: an NBA game, you're sitting there with the clicker decide

842
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: is there something better else that's more engaging to watch it?

843
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: And part of the issue sometimes doesn't get enough focus.

844
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: It's not just the number of people who watch the game,

845
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: but how long they watch it. A rating is the

846
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: average minute. So when people who used to watch a

847
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: two and a half hour game for on average an

848
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: hour watch for fifteen minutes instead of an hour, that's

849
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: a significant decline in your rating, even though it's the

850
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: same number of people who are engaged in your game.

851
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 6: I know you got to go soon. I'm curious though,

852
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 6: because you mentioned inside and you told Shack to keep

853
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 6: the band together. What were some of your favorite moments

854
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 6: from inside? Like, what are the ones that had you

855
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 6: guys in the league office being like, did you see

856
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 6: those guys last night?

857
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I love the gone fishing segments at the

858
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: end of the season. I mean I I you know,

859
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: I love the races to the board, you know with

860
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: Shaq and Kenny. I mean, I love like the by

861
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: play among you guys. You know, I think Ernie is

862
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: the classic straight man. I mean sometimes you know, not

863
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 2: that he doesn't get plenty of credit because you guys

864
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: will received so many Emmys at this point, but I

865
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: think he makes it look easy to be sort of

866
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: in that traffic cup role and you do a great

867
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: job to Adam, you know. I just think it's the

868
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: honesty and by the way, in all seriousness, I think

869
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 2: some of my special some of my favorite moments are

870
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: when Shack when you are engaging in issues outside of basketball,

871
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: you know, and you guys aren't afraid to touch on

872
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 2: those societal issues as well.

873
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: And speak directly.

874
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: And again I say to fans, it doesn't necessarily mean

875
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: you have to agree with everything these guys are saying,

876
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: but like, isn't it amazing that they're willing to speak

877
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: from the heart about important social issues that impact society

878
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 2: and share their points of view and engage.

879
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: And listen to people.

880
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: So and you guys also do a great job incorporating

881
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: social media in real time and responding to things that

882
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: people are are, you know, tweeting in real time about

883
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: what you guys are saying, or that people are texting

884
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: to the show, so that that engagement is tremendous.

885
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 4: Permissioner, last thing, we know, you got to go looking ahead.

886
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 4: What do you want basketball basketball fans know about the

887
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 4: future of our game.

888
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: I think I want them to know that Number one,

889
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: we're listening to what people say. I mean, I don't

890
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: want people to think for a second that to the

891
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: extent that you know, they're they're unhappy with, you know,

892
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: players that are resting or think there's too many three

893
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: point shooting. I mean, as you said before, the community

894
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 2: is very focused on those issues. But at the same time,

895
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: I think that the game has never been in a

896
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: better place. I mean, I'm astounded on a nightly basis

897
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: by what I'm seeing on the floor, and if anything,

898
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: I get a bit frustrated at times because I feel

899
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: there's more that the league office should be able to

900
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: do to translate what I'm watching in a way that

901
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: people at home are understanding how incredibly entertaining and off

902
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: the charts athletic and skilled these players are. And so

903
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: I genuinely believe the best days are ahead of this league.

904
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: I should mention too, I'm so proud of what's happening

905
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: in the WNBA right now with women's basketball. Also, you know,

906
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: been at that for twenty eight years now at this

907
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: you know, supporting women's basketball, and it's really turned a

908
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: corner in the last couple of years. So I just

909
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: think this is this game. I love this game of basketball,

910
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: and I think to extent that we can bring joy

911
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: to more people's lives to this game. Get more young

912
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: boys and girls playing this game, you know, being part

913
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: of a team, understanding the values of this game that

914
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: Bill Bradley has written about and others have talked about.

915
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 2: I think it just could be so additive to people's lives.

916
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 6: Commission Before I go, I just realized what kind of

917
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 6: a player were you? What was your style? Did you

918
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 6: have a jumper like? What were you like on the court.

919
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: I had one of those jumpers where your feet doesn't

920
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: leave the floor.

921
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 4: I was that shot.

922
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: I was a very mediocre playground player in Ryan, New York.

923
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 6: I feel like Commissioner could beat Kenny and the shooting.

924
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: Content no shot, no shot too.

925
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 6: Don't sell yourself shorts, you know what?

926
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 4: You know what may nineteenth Commissioner Adam Silver versus Kenny Smith.

927
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 6: I think he.

928
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 2: Doesn't have four rings, but he doesn't have four rings,

929
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: but he has two shots.

930
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Thank you.

931
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: Guys, shack.

932
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 6: That was a fun conversation. I could tell Adam respects

933
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 6: you a lot, and I could tell you respect Commissioner

934
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 6: Silver a lot. Job he really has. And it's been

935
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 6: an interesting last few months because I feel like people

936
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 6: have been calling out the NBA for different ratings and

937
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 6: saying the game needs to change. And he doesn't really

938
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 6: shy away from anything. And I wish we could be

939
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 6: a fly on the wall of that Company Titian committee

940
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 6: and here who's in there and how they're debating, because

941
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 6: that would be interesting as hell. It would be what

942
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 6: do you what would you do if you were in

943
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 6: that commission committee? What would you say about three point

944
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 6: shots and all that stuff?

945
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 4: Right now? I would just and the Commissioner touch on this.

946
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 4: I would just urge the team to just try to

947
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 4: build their own identity. Right now, we have a copycat league,

948
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 4: and I think that's I think that's unexciting for the fans.

949
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 4: For example, Bulls were in that triangle. Doesn't matter. Yes,

950
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 4: even Nashina Mari ran and pick and roll doesn't matter.

951
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 4: San Antonio Spurs had that high level. It doesn't matter.

952
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 4: Rip Hamilton and Reggie Miller were coming up with and

953
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 4: Ray Allen are coming off with mainion screens. It doesn't matter.

954
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 4: And I just think that ad excitement, especially for your

955
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 4: team now that, like I've said many times, everybody's doing

956
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 4: that three dribble handoff and shooting threes, and I just

957
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 4: want the players to protect the product because they're with

958
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 4: the product is at all time high. They're making money,

959
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: and when you protect the product, you just keep making

960
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 4: more and more and more. Like I had, I hear

961
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 4: that Luca's gonna be making ninety million dollars a year.

962
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 4: That's beautiful, So we you know, yeah, protect that.

963
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 6: To Silver's point. So I was at the Magic Knicks

964
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 6: game at the Garden Monday night and the Magic were

965
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,959
Speaker 6: down five or six guys. Franz and Pallo were out

966
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 6: Suggs was out, Harris was out, Moe Wagner was out.

967
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 6: So I'm watching six through fifteen on the roster and

968
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 6: I'm going, but these guys are good, like you, Like,

969
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 6: they're athletic, they're flying, they're shooting like their wingspans like

970
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 6: seven to two. And what I love about teams like

971
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 6: the Magic, Sure they shoot some threes, Dude, they're meeting

972
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 6: people at the rim like that, like and and the

973
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 6: Knicks are one of those teams too, where Brunson's giving

974
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 6: you those pump fakes and moving over like. It's so

975
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 6: refreshing to watch teams that still use those mid range

976
00:49:54,360 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 6: and still are physical. It's it's tough, man, because the analytics,

977
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 6: the more threes you shoot, the more chances you have

978
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 6: to score, which means the more chance you.

979
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 4: Have to win. You're a good shooter.

980
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 6: But the thing is, man, is all these guys can shoot.

981
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 4: No, they cannot know they You.

982
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 6: Liked what Silver said when he said that Giannis is

983
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 6: shooting last threes. You were like, finally, like he realized

984
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 6: he's not a good shooter. Don't shoot.

985
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 4: Everybody can shoot. What I mean by shooting is default

986
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 4: A little kid can shoot, doesn't make you a shooter.

987
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 4: It's a difference. Everybody can My grandma can shoot a basketball,

988
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 4: but she's not a shooter.

989
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 6: I tell you my AAU story.

990
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 4: You're right, everybody everybody in the NBA can shoot, but

991
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 4: you're not a shooter. Like if you're not Steph Curry,

992
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 4: Trey Dame, you know, Connect Clay. It's just my opinion,

993
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 4: but whatever.

994
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 6: I was the only white guy on an all black

995
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 6: AAU team called the Brotherhood, and I would come in

996
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 6: at the end of the games. I didn't play a lot,

997
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 6: but when I would come in, the other team would

998
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 6: yell shooter, shooter, and I was not a good shooter.

999
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 6: I would just stand on the side and clap, and

1000
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 6: I'm telling you, I would stretch that defense out.

1001
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 4: Bro oh exactly.

1002
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 6: That was definitely a thing when we would play. When

1003
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 6: I was on an all white team and we would

1004
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 6: play in the city, they would all think we could shoot,

1005
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 6: and we were worried about them dunking on us the

1006
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 6: entire time. I have heard you talk about your experience

1007
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 6: with pat Riley and how quickly he kicked you out.

1008
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 6: Uncle Jerome went to the U haul store and you

1009
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 6: were moving. He came out after the end of last

1010
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 6: season and said we are not extending Jimmy Butler. Jimmy

1011
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 6: Butler is making fifty million this year, has a player

1012
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 6: option next year for another fifty so it comes out

1013
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 6: to about one hundred million over the next two years.

1014
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 6: But Jimmy right now saying I don't have the joy

1015
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 6: to play. I have been around a lot of normal,

1016
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 6: working class folks the last week that have brought this

1017
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 6: up to me, and what seems to me is it's

1018
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 6: not resonating well with people that they're going, you're thirty five,

1019
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 6: You're making one hundred million over the next two years

1020
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 6: to play a game, and you're trying to tell us

1021
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 6: that you don't have joy. I've also had a lot

1022
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 6: of people say to me, man, I'm noticing a trend

1023
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 6: that everywhere Jimmy Butler goes it doesn't end well. Minnesota, Chicago, Philadelphia,

1024
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 6: it doesn't really end great. What advice would you give

1025
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 6: Jimmy right now, because it does seem like a weird situation.

1026
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 4: I have a question, do you get paid for what

1027
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 4: you've done or what you're going to do? Just think

1028
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 4: about that right now.

1029
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 6: Think about that, and I would say pat Riley has

1030
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 6: always paid for what you're going to do, where there

1031
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 6: are other franchises that may pay for what you've done.

1032
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 4: So pat Riley runs the ship his way, and when

1033
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 4: you're in charge, that's the only way it should be.

1034
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 4: I said. The day Kenny asked what you pay, I mean,

1035
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 4: I think Charles asked what you pay a guy at

1036
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 4: thirty five, fifty five sixty out of respect for what

1037
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 4: he has done, I would have the conversation with him.

1038
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 4: Pat Riley showed me that respect when I was there.

1039
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 4: I won a championship, I was do some money, and

1040
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 4: he called me the office and he said, listen, big fellow,

1041
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 4: if I gave it twenty five, you don't have no

1042
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 4: whatever you want to do, it's not even conversation. You

1043
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 4: deserve it. Yearned. If I gave you as twenty five

1044
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 4: before now, however, I can give you twenty for five,

1045
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 4: and I can bring in James Posey, I can bring

1046
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 4: in white chocolate. I can bring in your arch arrival

1047
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 4: alone till morning. I can bring in your friend GP.

1048
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 4: And if we had that conversation, and I wanted to

1049
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 4: be remembered as a guy that could win, so I said,

1050
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 4: you know what, I appreciate the respect I'll take the

1051
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 4: less money. So I don't know if they had that

1052
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 4: conversation to get into people's business right that money. But

1053
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 4: you know one thing about mister Raley, He's definitely gonna

1054
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 4: run it his way. And as a player, you have

1055
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 4: the right to feel what you feel, Adam. This is

1056
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 4: how players think. Right, Let's just say, let's just say

1057
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 4: that was a podcast money network, right, and me and

1058
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 4: me and you are making a certain amount and we

1059
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 4: see some kids out there that we're better than, and

1060
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 4: we know we're better than. We get higher ratings, higher numbers,

1061
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 4: but they're making a whole lot more money. How do

1062
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 4: you think that's gonna make us feel. It's definitely gonna

1063
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 4: feel some type of ways. So when we go back

1064
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 4: to the big cock and then we're gonna be like, listen,

1065
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,479
Speaker 4: my man, these little twitch kids or these little streamer kids,

1066
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 4: they make them boom boom boom boom boom. Me and

1067
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: Adam number a higher. This is what we want. That's

1068
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 4: how the game works, like all players do it, all agents.

1069
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 4: So so Jimmy saying, Okay, I know I'm thirty five

1070
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 4: and all that, but this guy's he's making this and

1071
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 4: he's making that so this is what I want. That's

1072
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 4: the name of the game. And you know, the narrative

1073
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 4: is alway is going to be pushed a certain way.

1074
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 4: But I know that Jimmy is a strong guy and

1075
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 4: Pat's a strong guy. But when you're in charge, when

1076
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 4: you're the judge, the jury, and the executioner, you get

1077
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 4: the final say so. So my situation, Pat had the

1078
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 4: final say song. He said it's time to trade the

1079
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 4: big fella, and I was traded. But hey man, this

1080
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 4: is what we call the business of basketball. Business of basketball.

1081
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 6: Jealousy is the only poison that affects the container. And

1082
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 6: I one time was in a conversation with a very

1083
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 6: wealthy person and he kept telling me. He's like, don't

1084
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 6: you want more? And I don't know what happened to me.

1085
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 6: It was like during the pandemic. I just tried to

1086
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 6: learn the power of the word enough, because I think

1087
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 6: it's great to be motivated to try and get everything.

1088
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 6: But I think sometimes you don't appreciate what you have

1089
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 6: when you're obsessed with having more. And I think that

1090
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 6: balance you need to keep going. But at the same time.

1091
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 4: But I don't think it's more I think it's more

1092
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 4: about mine, And when you talk about jealousy mine, if

1093
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 4: I got mine, why I don't want yours? See what

1094
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 4: I'm saying, So, I mean.

1095
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 6: I can ask you a rich person question, and I

1096
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 6: don't think people can understand. Yeah, okay, so I looked

1097
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 6: up Jimmy's career earnings. Now what fancy to understand? They

1098
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 6: A lot of this money has been spent, a lot

1099
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 6: of this money has been taxed, yes, exactly, and a

1100
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 6: lot of this has gone to agents. So like, whatever

1101
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 6: the number is, probably cut it to like forty percent.

1102
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 4: Right, then let's just go fifty to be I'm.

1103
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 6: Saying fifty plus an agent plus whatever you've paid. So

1104
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 6: career earnings is over three hundred million, three hundred and twelve,

1105
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 6: so now we're at one fifty. Then let's say he's

1106
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 6: spent thirty forty. So let's say he's at one hundred

1107
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 6: and ten. Right when you're looking at a contract, then

1108
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 6: that's offering you fifty, and you're like, I want sixty.

1109
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 4: Because I'm looking at everybody else.

1110
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 6: So you saying it's not about like the ten million dollars,

1111
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 6: because I don't think the ten million dollars is really

1112
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 6: going to have that much of an impact on you.

1113
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 6: It's not, but it's so it's more of an ego thing.

1114
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 4: Ego and negotiations. You're going to start high. If I

1115
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 4: come back and say just give me fifty, then they'd

1116
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 4: be like, oh, well what about forty five? I want sixty,

1117
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 4: And then you have a respectful conversation like, hey, man,

1118
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 4: I would love to give you fifty, but you know,

1119
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 4: but I don't. I don't know if that conversation is

1120
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 4: that it was had with me. And even though I

1121
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 4: was traded, I can I can credit mister Raley for

1122
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 4: having that conversation with me because he because he also said,

1123
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 4: big man, I gave you whatever you want. You came

1124
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 4: to the city, you said you're gonna give us a championship.

1125
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 4: I told you I was gonna give you some new money.

1126
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 4: Here we are. However, he had to however, and I

1127
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 4: had to make a decision. I don't know if they

1128
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 4: have that conversation. But you never want to take less money.

1129
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 4: You want to take more money. It's the art of negotiation.

1130
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 4: Like for example, when I was in Orlando, I want

1131
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 4: one fifty. I know it wasn't getting one fifty, but

1132
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 4: I want one fifty. So now you talk me down

1133
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 4: from what you think can go and then finally La

1134
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 4: got it to one twenty, which was sixty in La.

1135
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 4: In La is fifty per Just you know, cut that

1136
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 4: in half.

1137
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 6: I'm the one that lives in New York. I understand that.

1138
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 4: Where would you like to see him go? I would

1139
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:15,959
Speaker 4: like to see him go to Golden State.

1140
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 6: That would definitely be exciting. There's part of me that

1141
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 6: wants to see him in San Antonio with Wemby and Pop.

1142
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 6: It's he's a very unique style of player. Like him

1143
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 6: on the Thunder wouldn't make sense. Cleveland wouldn't make sense.

1144
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 6: I'm trying to think of the competitive teams right now,

1145
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 6: like the teams that are clicking right now, he needs

1146
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 6: to go to someone that needs a piece.

1147
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 4: I like him at Golden State because when he was

1148
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 4: at Miami he used to drive me crazy, get all

1149
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 4: the way to the lane and kick it out for

1150
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 4: three bro later got him ball up, so that'll work

1151
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 4: in Golden State.

1152
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 6: Six Ers fans are upset that he left and we

1153
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 6: kept bias over him, so that's one too.

1154
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 4: I should I stop talking about big Man in general,

1155
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 4: says they get all sensitive because I can kill all

1156
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 4: ass off right now mentally trust me.

1157
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 6: Actually, did you see the clip of Zach Edy and

1158
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 6: Draymond fighting?

1159
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 4: No?

1160
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 6: Okay, so there was a foul where Draymond went right

1161
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 6: over and like hit him in the face, and Edie

1162
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 6: just like went and pushed him. And I just feel

1163
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 6: like you were a fan of Edie in college, and

1164
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 6: I feel like everyone was kind of in this Oh,

1165
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 6: he's going to get pushed around. And I feel like

1166
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 6: Draymond has been leading the charge of like insinuating that

1167
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 6: Edie's soft, and I feel like Edie is answering the

1168
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 6: challenge and fighting back right now. And I'm really proud

1169
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 6: of just how I feel like people are trying to

1170
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 6: sun him and he's not allowing himself to be sunned.

1171
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 4: And I and that's the approach that he should take.

1172
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 4: It's all about trials and tribulations. And should I answer

1173
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 4: my question should I just kill all big men?

1174
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 6: Who would you say if you were to give the

1175
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 6: heavyweight belt for best big man active in the world.

1176
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 4: Who would you give it? Joker by far, who.

1177
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 6: Would be the number one contender that, if they played

1178
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 6: in a game, would battle for the belt?

1179
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 4: I was going to say Joe, but Joel's injured. Not

1180
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 4: gonna talk bad about him.

1181
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 6: He looks like he's playing.

1182
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 4: But Joker and the Joker versus Wimby was very impressive.

1183
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 4: That was That was some That was some good TV.

1184
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 6: So Joker would be your big man, baddest big man

1185
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 6: belt hold on.

1186
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 4: My analytics showed me they didn't really match up against

1187
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 4: each other. Is that true? Because I just saw the

1188
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 4: highlights on them. I didn't watch the whole game.

1189
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 6: It was a lot of Joker was not guarding the strike.

1190
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 4: That from the tape.

1191
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 6: Oh, it was an incredible performance by both.

1192
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I just saw the highlights. Oh, I mean

1193
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 4: I like watching Joker play. I just I just wanted

1194
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 4: these guys to get give the fans a good show,

1195
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 4: that's all. And guess what. I'm a fan now, all right?

1196
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 4: Turned all my powers in. Remember in Superman one, if

1197
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 4: I take this motherfucker back to the Low Pole, I

1198
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 4: can get it back. What is that?

1199
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 6: Is that an MVP one of my trophies of them?

1200
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 4: You know, if I take it back to the Low

1201
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 4: Pole and you and get my ship back. But I

1202
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:17,959
Speaker 4: don't want it back. I'm a fan.

1203
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 6: I think as long as before you say it, you go,

1204
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 6: I am the president of the Big Men Alliance or

1205
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 6: the Emperor, whatever you are. And what I'm saying right

1206
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 6: now is motivational purposes.

1207
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they don't take it take it like that.

1208
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 4: They want to get on their podcast and you know,

1209
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 4: say you're hating.

1210
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I hating so but you addressed it on our

1211
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 6: TV show that you're too great to hate.

1212
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 4: I mean what, I don't understand what hate hate you for?

1213
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 4: What should I stop talking about all big men?

1214
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 6: Just what's the reason you're saying this? Because I feel

1215
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 6: like you've taken pride in the Big Man Alliance.

1216
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 4: The good sensitive. It's just a good sensitive.

1217
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, but when have you ever cared about that?

1218
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't, But I just don't like going

1219
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 4: back and forth because because it takes away from what

1220
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 4: I'm really trying to do.

1221
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 6: But what if you message them on the side, you

1222
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 6: were like, I love you. I'm just trying to.

1223
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 4: Know, Well, why would I do that? Kareem, Man, Kareem

1224
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 4: A message me on the side. It just made me

1225
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 4: become greater that mister Kareem, thank you always jumped being

1226
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 4: on my case. Mister Russell, will I came, Oh you

1227
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 4: guys have said I wasn't gonna make it. I appreciate

1228
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 4: you guys with motivation. Thank you.

1229
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 6: I would say this, I would say, find a young

1230
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 6: player that you really believe in, and those are the

1231
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 6: ones that you should motivate. I don't think everyone needs

1232
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 6: the shack touch or deserves it. I think when you

1233
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 6: actually find one that you really fucking believe in, and

1234
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 6: maybe that is somebody like Edie, they deserve or whatever

1235
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 6: you're going to put out.

1236
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 4: No, I haven't done.

1237
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 6: You're done. You're done. You're done talking about Big Men.

1238
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 4: You got people wanting to fight a senior citizen.

1239
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 6: Wait, so what does this mean about the Big Men Alliance?

1240
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 4: Then I'm I have to turn it over.

1241
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 6: Who would you turn it over to?

1242
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 4: I don't know yet.

1243
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 6: Wow, breaking news that the Big Men Alliance may be disassembled.

1244
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 4: Actually I'm actually I'm taking it with me. Big Man

1245
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 4: Alliance is no more.

1246
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 6: No one's allowed it anymore. It's a private club.

1247
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 4: No, it's over. It's a secret society. Now it's a

1248
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 4: secret society. Skull and bone. Wow. Yeah, and this is

1249
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 4: and this is uh And if you ever want to

1250
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 4: get in, this is the code word. Come test me. Hell,

1251
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 4: maybe I just have one quick see what do we

1252
01:03:53,640 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 4: have here? Now? Do you That was great? That was great.

1253
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 6: I want to ask a question because you would know

1254
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 6: Derek Rose, John Moran, who would you say was more

1255
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 6: explosive when they were both at full like health and jumping.

1256
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna answer this. I I heard somebody say

1257
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 4: this one time, so I'm gonna answer first, Derek Rose,

1258
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 4: because I've seen it live in person. John Moran is

1259
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 4: the hell of a player. No disrespect to him. I

1260
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 4: haven't seen it live, but for me, because of personal experience,

1261
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 4: I don't have to go there. I haven't never played

1262
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 4: against John Moran, but he looks very explosive. I can

1263
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 4: tell he's explosive.

1264
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 6: But what was it like with Derek Rose?

1265
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 4: Like when he coming out with that pick and roll,

1266
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:47,919
Speaker 4: you might as well just get out the way because

1267
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 4: if you try to show, he's gonna go around you.

1268
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 4: He was quick, man. There's a lot of quick guys,

1269
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 4: a lot of quick guys, but John's very explosive. And

1270
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 4: these are the questions that I hate because if you

1271
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 4: don't answer him the right way, I'm hating. But so

1272
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 4: I'm trying to break it down as educationally as possible.

1273
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 4: I know from experience what Darren Rhoes can do. I

1274
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 4: haven't played against Josh.

1275
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 6: I thought Westbrook was incredibly explosive as well.

1276
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I played against Westbrook. So if I'm doing

1277
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 4: field studies and field tests, I've been in the field

1278
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 4: with those two gentlemen, I haven't been in the field,

1279
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 4: mister Moran, so I can't give you an analysis of

1280
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 4: what the calculation of his speed. Reciproc Reciprocability is a

1281
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 4: new word.

1282
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 6: I'll work on spelling that. Ask doctor O'Neil from Brandon

1283
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 6: l and Madison, Wisconsin. To those out there that would

1284
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 6: like to ask doctor O'Neil a question. You can put

1285
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 6: in the comments section or email at Shane dot com. Okay, quote,

1286
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 6: I heard you say you had hip surgery. I'm a

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Speaker 6: military veteran who needs hip surgery, but I'm scared to

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Speaker 6: do it. Do you have any complications with it? And

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Speaker 6: was it worth it?

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Speaker 4: Well, let me tell you why you shouldn't be scared.

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Speaker 4: The day I went to the High Hospital, the doctor

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Speaker 4: hooked me up with this nurse named Anesthesia Effective. I

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Speaker 4: don't even remember what happened. The funny thing is, I

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Speaker 4: was I bet the doctor that I would make it

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Speaker 4: to ten and they showed me the video. Yes, and

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Speaker 4: I showed me the video. I didn't make it to four.

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Speaker 4: And then when I woke up, I was already in

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Speaker 4: my wheelchair being pushed to the car, already on my

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Speaker 4: way home. Did I have any complications? No, I didn't

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Speaker 4: have to do didn't have any complications. But you must

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Speaker 4: do rehab. You got to do like a four to

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Speaker 4: five six week rehab to get the gluteus minimus and maximus,

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Speaker 4: the booty muscles strengthen back up and all that stuff

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Speaker 4: that you used to do. You can't do that for

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Speaker 4: a while. All those hercuy jerkie position moves can do.

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Speaker 4: You have to just you have to just chill out,

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Speaker 4: just kind of later. But you know, I think with

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Speaker 4: the technologies and the advancement of of surgical procedures, I

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Speaker 4: don't think you have a problem. But that anesthesia, that's

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Speaker 4: the most amazing thing I've had.

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Speaker 6: That's the hip surgery had a positive impact.

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Speaker 4: On your life. You saw me dunk the other day.

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Speaker 6: That wouldn't have been possible.

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Speaker 4: No, not at all. I couldn't even so so when

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Speaker 4: my hip was messed up, I couldn't even like this

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Speaker 4: even time my shoe. But now I'm I'm very very flexible.

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Speaker 4: Now I could do I was going split.

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Speaker 6: I feel like this is like a weird dating advertising.

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Speaker 4: To get that picture in your head of me doing splits.

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Speaker 6: I feel like that entire segment was just you being like,

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Speaker 6: my hips move better, I'm flexible, I could do things

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Speaker 6: I couldn't do before. Like I felt like that was

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Speaker 6: for not me message. Okay, it's officially the New Year, Shack,

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Speaker 6: so we'll end on this. Are you a resolution guy?

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Speaker 6: Any New Year's resolutions that you're trying to do this year?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Grand people's wishes you know want me to say

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Speaker 4: you nay no more. You're dead to me.

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Speaker 6: So because you were a genie and a fake movie

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Speaker 6: that ever happened. So that's one wish that you're granting.

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Speaker 6: Does that mean there's two other wishes this year that

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Speaker 6: you'll grant.

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Speaker 4: Whatever you need? Okay, I'm just here too, spread positivity,

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Speaker 4: take care of my kids, take care of my family,

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Speaker 4: make people laugh, and just continue to be.

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Speaker 6: Me beautiful For Big Shack Diesel, I am the l E.

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Speaker 6: Fko Man And this has been another edition of the

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Speaker 6: Big Podcast with Shaq. Special thank you to Adam Silver

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Speaker 6: for joining us and being honest to have a good conversation.

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Speaker 6: Thanks to Shane everyone behind the scenes at Playmaker for

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Speaker 6: getting it done and we will see you next week. Yeah.