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Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Pink Proving Grounds podcast, Marty. It
Speaker 4: is one of the great parts of the year, I'd say,
Speaker 4: in both of the areas we live at in the Northeast.
Speaker 4: Just wrapping up fall golf, which has been epic obviously.
Speaker 4: Now I'm just wreaking leaves all the time. But we
Speaker 4: roll into Halloween week, you get the weather to break.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I know you're dealing with a bit of oversea right now,
Speaker 4: but golf courses are about to be epic for the
Speaker 4: next four or five months in Arizona. Is this the
Speaker 4: best time of the year, I'd say, just as a
Speaker 4: universal truth in the United States.
Speaker 3: I Shane, I talked to my wife about that all
Speaker 3: the time. I love the fall. She loves the spring,
Speaker 3: her birthdays in the spring Easter, you know, flowers are blooming,
Speaker 3: but it's always windy in the spring. Is a golfer
Speaker 3: I love those perfectly calm no win quiet fall days.
Speaker 3: That's my favorite.
Speaker 1: Marty.
Speaker 4: Are you an adult dresser upper for Halloween or I
Speaker 4: know your kids are a little older than mine. I'm
Speaker 4: assuming if you did that at one point it might
Speaker 4: you might be out of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we stopped that a while back. We phased out
Speaker 3: the adult dresser Reppert. It's all about the kids nowadays.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm the reason I have the beard, by
Speaker 4: the way, is I'm Luigi to my son's Mario this year.
Speaker 4: So this will all be shaved for the actual day
Speaker 4: and it'll just be the Luigi mustache. So I've been
Speaker 4: letting it grow a little baby, a little more than
Speaker 4: I like for this time of year. But we're gonna
Speaker 4: be the Mario Luigi family. The wife's dressing up, my
Speaker 4: mom's flying in. I did want to ask you, did
Speaker 4: you have an epic golf costume at any point in
Speaker 4: your life for Halloween?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: I think one year, I like a couple of us
Speaker 3: on the golf team here in town. We dressed up
Speaker 3: like Payne Stewart, So we had the knickers and anything nice,
Speaker 3: you know, Payne Stewart cap and so that was kind
Speaker 3: of like our style. And then I think We actually
Speaker 3: wore that like on the last round of the state
Speaker 3: championship thing. But that was my That was probably my
Speaker 3: favorite golf but non golf, my dad and I made
Speaker 3: like it was when the Ghostbusters were huge, So I
Speaker 3: had this cool like paper mache Ghostbusters thing and that
Speaker 3: was probably my favorite.
Speaker 4: And Marty, can we just say this now, this wasn't
Speaker 4: like you went down the street and there was a
Speaker 4: Spirit Halloween store when we were growing up, Like if
Speaker 4: you wanted a sweet Ghostbusters outfit, Mom and dad and
Speaker 4: you were like getting on the ground and cutting this
Speaker 4: stuff up and building a Ghostbuster's outfit.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that was like a month we
Speaker 3: were working on that thing. I remember, Yeah, building the
Speaker 3: backpack and the tubes and the hoses and taping up,
Speaker 3: going buying the silver spray paint and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: One year we did a paper mache Spuds Mackenzie hat
Speaker 3: we threw on there and that that was my number
Speaker 3: two favorite. That took forever to build that thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my favorite outfit I ever had as a kid.
Speaker 4: My mom, who is extremely artistic, you know, she would
Speaker 4: like make coloring books and things like that. She I
Speaker 4: wanted to be a baseball card, so she made me
Speaker 4: a baseball card is like a sandwich board outfit. It
Speaker 4: was a Nolan Ryan baseball card and it was huge,
Speaker 4: like all the way down to the ground, and the
Speaker 4: back was like the stats you'd have on the back
Speaker 4: of a baseball card and his career stats and all
Speaker 4: the things you need to know about Nolan Ryan. And
Speaker 4: that was easily my favorite as a kid Halloween outfit.
Speaker 4: I had, I think, as parents do. I think it
Speaker 4: still might be hanging in my closet. By the way,
Speaker 4: I don't think she's never thrown around. It's whatever, thirty
Speaker 4: years old. We are doing a Halloween episode for one
Speaker 4: specific reason. I know you guys would love to hear
Speaker 4: us talk about our favorite costumes over the years.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to dive into the scariest.
Speaker 4: Golf shots for players, because golf, for whatever reason, we
Speaker 4: voluntarily play golf, Marty, you know we do it. People
Speaker 4: out there that are listening do it. Millions of people
Speaker 4: around the country play golf voluntarily.
Speaker 2: Yet every round.
Speaker 4: Of golf, maybe every hole of golf, there are shots
Speaker 4: that scare the heck out of us. So I wanted
Speaker 4: to dive into maybe five scare golf shots and I
Speaker 4: wanted you to kind of debunk how they aren't actually scary.
Speaker 4: And I thought maybe an easy one to start with,
Speaker 4: maybe a softball one. Shout out to our friends at
Speaker 4: the fried.
Speaker 1: Egg, Andy and the crew.
Speaker 3: I wanted to start with the fried egg because what
Speaker 3: happens is you see pro golfers and tour players have
Speaker 3: a fried egg lie and they pop it out to
Speaker 3: eight feet and make par.
Speaker 4: And when average player amateur players show up and they
Speaker 4: see a fright egg, it's like, I might as well
Speaker 4: move out of the next hole.
Speaker 3: The fried egg is one for me, Shane. I don't
Speaker 3: know about you, but it gives me zero anxiety.
Speaker 1: Is a great player.
Speaker 3: There's a technique to it, and then there's a speed component,
Speaker 3: and so I think those are the two big things.
Speaker 3: I think your everyday golfer, you get the fried egg.
Speaker 3: Number one, you got to go in there with a
Speaker 3: massive amount of speed because so much of the energy
Speaker 3: of that swing is gonna get eaten up by all
Speaker 3: that sand that you got to go through. So the
Speaker 3: advantage that the better player has is number one. You know,
Speaker 3: just way more club ed speed shows you the value
Speaker 3: of speed. And then number two is the technique so
Speaker 3: you know, I think the main way that myself and
Speaker 3: the better players hit the fried egg shot is you're
Speaker 3: gonna that you're gonna kind of stick the club into
Speaker 3: the sand, right. And I was even taught a technique.
Speaker 3: I think you saw Sevy do this, you saw Norman
Speaker 3: do it back in the day when they have this
Speaker 3: Friday egg where you recoil. You're gonna go in there
Speaker 3: and swing as hard as you can, uh go into
Speaker 3: the sand, and then you recoil it back, right. So
Speaker 3: you want all that sand to be building up and
Speaker 3: putting pressure on the ball from below the ball, and
Speaker 3: that's what's kind of popping it up. So and then
Speaker 3: a lot of the Frida egg shot depends on how
Speaker 3: much green you have to work with and whether you
Speaker 3: kind of need to get it to pop up soft.
Speaker 3: I think one of the advantages of the Frida egg
Speaker 3: is normally you get it when you're on the up
Speaker 3: on the face of a riker, right, so you're already
Speaker 3: kind of kind of got that, you know, helping you
Speaker 3: get it out. That's usually when you get the fried egg.
Speaker 3: But there's a technique where you actually if it's super fried,
Speaker 3: like really deep, you'll actually close the face and hit
Speaker 3: it with the super closed face. Again, the loft that
Speaker 3: you have on the club isn't really what's doing the
Speaker 3: work per se when there's that much sand. So a
Speaker 3: lot of it is how do you get the sand
Speaker 3: to kind of build up and and and get it out. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: the Frida Egg for the better player, Shane is definitely
Speaker 3: one of those where we go in there, we don't
Speaker 3: have that anxiety your everyday golfers like, oh no, I
Speaker 3: want to take an unplayable right right.
Speaker 2: Down seven exactly. It's interesting, Marty.
Speaker 4: I was taught initially as a kid to do the
Speaker 4: what you were talking about on the back part of
Speaker 4: that where you'd close the face. Yea, you'd almost hit
Speaker 4: it like I always kind of equated it to a shovel,
Speaker 4: like you're basically shoveling the ball out, Like that's the
Speaker 4: idea you said it.
Speaker 2: The sand in theory is pushing.
Speaker 4: The ball up and creating you know, height and arc
Speaker 4: and getting even a little softness out of that shot.
Speaker 4: But I think something you said is interesting about bunker
Speaker 4: shots in general, because I think bunker shots in general
Speaker 4: are scary golf shots or high handicapped players.
Speaker 1: And one of the issues is speed. One of the
Speaker 1: issues for.
Speaker 2: Every day golfers.
Speaker 4: Point they're hitting those shots decelerated or they're not going
Speaker 4: at it fully. And what I'll tell my friends that
Speaker 4: struggle out of the bunkers. Hit a bunker shot as
Speaker 4: hard as you possibly can first, and let's see where
Speaker 4: the ball ends up.
Speaker 3: Yes, so you want to I that's my de facto
Speaker 3: advice for the high handicapper. Swing as hard as possible
Speaker 3: out of the bunker, and if it goes too far,
Speaker 3: open the face and then to change how much you
Speaker 3: open the face. But that scares people. That's a scary
Speaker 3: thing for a lot of golfers because they're they're used to, Hey,
Speaker 3: I'm around the green. If I open the face, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna scull this thing. So that's scary. So I think
Speaker 3: you gotta get over that. A swing as hard as
Speaker 3: you can for that for if you're a high handicapped player,
Speaker 3: and then keep and then open the face to hit
Speaker 3: it shorter and hit it higher.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 4: So a cousin of the fried egg Marty, and I
Speaker 4: would say, this is a shot that does give me anxiety,
Speaker 4: and I would like your advice on it. The thirty
Speaker 4: to forty yard bunker shot because you have a cross bunker,
Speaker 4: you have a bunker short of a green. I mean,
Speaker 4: these designers are smart. They know where they're placing these
Speaker 4: bunkers to create a bit of havoc, at least.
Speaker 2: In the brain of a layup on a par five.
Speaker 1: Where am I hitting this golf shot?
Speaker 4: You get a little too cute, or maybe you don't
Speaker 4: quite catch that three wood the way you want it,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden you're in this disaster big
Speaker 4: X on the yardage book for a lot of tour players.
Speaker 4: Do not hit it here. Tour players struggle with this
Speaker 4: shot as well. What's the advice you have to golfers
Speaker 4: about that scary thirty to forty yard bunker shot where
Speaker 4: they can get it up around the green and maybe
Speaker 4: say par and a par five or avoid the double bogie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it is a scary one. Yeah, and even you, Shane,
Speaker 3: you said it better. Players get anxiety about this shot.
Speaker 3: I actually have some really cool stats on this and well,
Speaker 3: we'll put a little overlay of this in the YouTube
Speaker 3: version for those of you that are listening on the
Speaker 3: audio version. We'll put this chart up there. But we
Speaker 3: ran some numbers from shot Link Shane that showed tour
Speaker 3: players when they get in the bunker, they actually have
Speaker 3: a lower probability to hit the green in regulation from
Speaker 3: like sixty yards than they do from one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty yards. Your odds of hitting the green are lower
Speaker 3: out of a bunker from sixty yards than from one
Speaker 3: to twenty.
Speaker 2: What, Marty, why is that?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Why do you feel like that's the case?
Speaker 3: I think it's twofold. One, the SHOT's really hard. We'll
Speaker 3: talk about maybe a technique to be able to handle that.
Speaker 3: And then two, I think when you get in those
Speaker 3: bunkers they're super penalizing there. They're the cross bunkers that
Speaker 3: you got to carry to get to maybe chase it
Speaker 3: up to the green on the part five or a
Speaker 3: driveable part four. I remember I played that PGA Championship
Speaker 3: Harding Park. There's a drivable part four on the back
Speaker 3: nine there that if you didn't get it up by
Speaker 3: the green, you have that forty to sixty yard kind
Speaker 3: of awkward shot, and a lot of times those bunkers
Speaker 3: have big lips on them. So I think it's kind
Speaker 3: of twofold, but there's definitely data to back that up
Speaker 3: that this shot is really hard. So from a technique standpoint, Shane,
Speaker 3: I learned a technique from a coach that's kind of
Speaker 3: like I think it's for me. It's like cheating. I
Speaker 3: should film a little video on this thing. You get
Speaker 3: in there and we'll talk to Derek Dominski, a golf
Speaker 3: better Tucson about this shot too, because he's amazing at
Speaker 3: it as well. But you get in there from say
Speaker 3: fifty to sixty seventy yards and I will literally use
Speaker 3: a six, seven or eight iron wow from those from
Speaker 3: those spots, grip down to the handle, open the face
Speaker 3: a ton, and literally use my same exact technique that
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna hit a bunker shot that I
Speaker 3: gotta hit like ten yards with a lob wedge. But
Speaker 3: the thing that you're gonna do is you're gonna cut
Speaker 3: it a lot, so you're gonna put a lot of
Speaker 3: side spin on it. So most of the time, if
Speaker 3: you're in that scenario, your goal so that the tour
Speaker 3: player has a less than fifty percent chance from that
Speaker 3: yard or to hit the green in regulation sixty yard
Speaker 3: bunker shot, sixty yard bunker shot. So my goal, anyone's
Speaker 3: goal is trying to get that ball on the green
Speaker 3: or get up near the green right, and so you
Speaker 3: don't need to try to go for the pin or
Speaker 3: do anything like that. Like anytime you're in that scenario,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to hit the green, but Shane, I have
Speaker 3: no anxiety. I will pop into a bunker from fifty sixty, seventy,
Speaker 3: even eighty yards. There's this transition point where you try
Speaker 3: to hit a splash shot with you know, six seven,
Speaker 3: eight iron, nine iron, or do you transition to try
Speaker 3: to pick it clean with your lobwage or sandwich. For me,
Speaker 3: that's probably like eighty yards is where I transition to
Speaker 3: try to pick it clean. Otherwise I'm hitting a very
Speaker 3: low lofted club that's gonna give it the energy that
Speaker 3: needs to get to the hole. Set up with the
Speaker 3: hands low, face way open, it's gonna have cut spin
Speaker 3: and then then you don't need to try to hit
Speaker 3: it clean. I think the advantage of a bunker shots
Speaker 3: the only shot in golf besides if you hit one
Speaker 3: out of the water where you don't need to hit
Speaker 3: the ball. Okay, so you want to give yourself a
Speaker 3: little window there, you know, behind the ball and that
Speaker 3: splash shot with a low lofted club gives you that capability, Marty.
Speaker 4: When you're hitting these types of shots, even around the
Speaker 4: green out of a bunker, are you looking at a
Speaker 4: spot when you're hitting these shots? Are you looking at
Speaker 4: the ball? Like, where is impact in your mind being made?
Speaker 1: I mean, are you?
Speaker 4: Because I mean, I know it's different for what's the
Speaker 4: shot being asked. You have to hit it high and
Speaker 4: have it spin quickly, or you're trying to kind of
Speaker 4: hit the chunk and run. But how are you deciding
Speaker 4: in theory where to hit the sand behind the ball?
Speaker 3: Yeah? How far behind? If it's a totally let's call
Speaker 3: it stock shot. I still love that idea. I don't
Speaker 3: know if I saw it in a golf magazine or
Speaker 3: whatever back in the day, where you put the ball
Speaker 3: on the middle of a dollar bill, yep, and you're
Speaker 3: trying to enter on the front side and exit on
Speaker 3: the other side the same thing, Marty. It's so funny
Speaker 3: you say that. I just did that with my kids.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, here we go, and you'll put that
Speaker 3: little line there now. Granted if you need it, If
Speaker 3: I need to spin it more in the sand, is
Speaker 3: firmer The firmer the sand, you got to have more
Speaker 3: risk and hit closer to the ball right and get
Speaker 3: a little more V shape on the swing. So I
Speaker 3: have a little more V shape, steeper in, steeper out,
Speaker 3: the fluffier the sand, you can you kind of have
Speaker 3: a little more margin for it's gonna come out maybe
Speaker 3: with a little bit less spin. And I try to
Speaker 3: have a little bit more U shape kind of to
Speaker 3: my swing in the bunker. So very bunker shot dependent.
Speaker 3: But if the stock one dollar bill approach can't beat.
Speaker 4: It, Marty, I was playing golf yesterday on seventeen at
Speaker 4: my home club. I hit it in the left ferry bunker.
Speaker 4: I had about one hundred and five yards or something. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and they just added sand, you know, I mean it's
Speaker 4: new sand.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I was looking at the shot and I was,
Speaker 4: you know, how you go through your whole routine of
Speaker 4: like a right, am I gonna maybe I hit fifty
Speaker 4: degree here and just kind of like use more hands,
Speaker 4: just try to kind of clip it and take a
Speaker 4: little off, or do I go hard at a sand
Speaker 4: wedge out of this which might be my one hundred
Speaker 4: and twenty yard shot, But obviously, you know, it doesn't
Speaker 4: go as far normally out of a fairway bunker shot,
Speaker 4: and there was so much sand in there. All I
Speaker 4: could think in my head was, I don't think either
Speaker 4: of these are gonna work.
Speaker 1: Like whatever.
Speaker 4: The line wasn't great, but I was like, whatever the
Speaker 4: decision I make here, it's likely gonna end up being chunked,
Speaker 4: you know, because it was just.
Speaker 2: So much thick sand.
Speaker 4: Then it was it was it was pretty tightly packed,
Speaker 4: but it was thick, and it was just like the
Speaker 4: disaster scary scenario for that type of shot, and it's
Speaker 4: not gonna shock you.
Speaker 1: I hit it a little chunk and it came up short.
Speaker 4: But I will say to Marty, I was I guess
Speaker 4: smart enough to aim right of the flag, knowing if
Speaker 4: I pull the shot off, it'll be on the green.
Speaker 4: But if I don't pull the shot off, my angle
Speaker 4: with my third shot is more beneficial for me getting
Speaker 4: the wall up and down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Shane, that's tour level thinking. I mean, we saw
Speaker 3: it at the Ryder cup Man. The caddy comes in
Speaker 3: there and take the unplayable.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I mean not how good
Speaker 1: was that?
Speaker 3: That was unbelievable And the fact that you gave him
Speaker 3: credit for it was sweet too, you know, but it's
Speaker 3: just I think that's the thing. When you get in
Speaker 3: these scary scenarios you get you gotta have a plan B.
Speaker 3: And I guarantee you the tour players are thinking that
Speaker 3: they are them and their caddies they're thinking it. So
Speaker 3: smart move right there, Shane.
Speaker 4: Marty, I've got a list of scary shots on our
Speaker 4: Halloween episode. Is there any that you want to pull
Speaker 4: out of kind of the list that we put together
Speaker 4: that you think would be beneficial to the listener?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, well, I'll kind of talk about maybe
Speaker 3: one that wasn't on there, but that I find scary
Speaker 3: is is an elevated tee if you're kind of scared
Speaker 3: of heights and you're hitting driver.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: So the one that comes to mind for me, like
Speaker 3: Castle Pines in Colorado, very elevated tea. You're not quite
Speaker 3: on the cliff, but there's a few other courses up
Speaker 3: there in Colorado where you're hitting driver and you're going
Speaker 3: at it hard and you're on a super elevated tea.
Speaker 3: For those people that are scared of heights. Maybe I'm
Speaker 3: like a little scared. I'm gonna, like, you know, go
Speaker 3: a little crazy after this t shot. Jordan's at Pebble Beach, right, Oh, exactly,
Speaker 3: you have the Jordan speed at Pebble exactly. But I
Speaker 3: think the mudball one could be an interesting one, Shaine.
Speaker 4: I mean again, I again, what I find fascinated about
Speaker 4: mudball and the forty to sixty yard bunker shot is
Speaker 4: these aren't just scary shots for average players. This is
Speaker 4: a scary shot across the I mean tour players, as
Speaker 4: you mentioned, struggle with that bunker shot and we see
Speaker 4: it happen all the time. I mean, the Bubble Watson
Speaker 4: mudball clip has gone viral one hundred times over because
Speaker 4: it's brought up every time we see a player struggle
Speaker 4: with a mudball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, quite frankly, anytime you know, any
Speaker 3: of us good players hit a bad shot, you just
Speaker 3: kind of say mudball, and you just blame it on that.
Speaker 4: It all right, So breakdown maybe the mystery of the mudball.
Speaker 4: We've all heard if the MUD's on the left or
Speaker 4: the buds on the ball, and the MUD's on the right,
Speaker 4: it's gonna go left. Do you have data that can
Speaker 4: actually explain what happens with certain mudballs.
Speaker 3: Oh do we have a Shane. So this all started
Speaker 3: back when I went to second stage of Q school
Speaker 3: about ten years ago. I got exempt in the second
Speaker 3: stage and I played at Bear Creek and Myriada, California,
Speaker 3: and it was wet. It was in November. It was wet.
Speaker 3: I went there and it was a Nicholas course with
Speaker 3: all these creeks that ran in front and I, me
Speaker 3: and everyone else, like, we just had a lot of mudballs,
Speaker 3: and it was very challenging to figure out what the
Speaker 3: strategy is. Of course, you know things are going to
Speaker 3: be more uncertain, that's number one. Like your ball could
Speaker 3: go way right or it could go straight ish, so
Speaker 3: you have to plan for way bigger dispersion and more
Speaker 3: factor of safety. But I came back from that event going, man,
Speaker 3: we need to have some rules or some science around
Speaker 3: this thing. So we actually did a ping man test, okay,
Speaker 3: and we have a really cool article shame. We'll link
Speaker 3: to it. That's on our Proving Grounds blog on our
Speaker 3: website where you can go see all the data, and
Speaker 3: we even have some really cool high speed video we'll
Speaker 3: show here with this as well. But we actually went
Speaker 3: on the ping man and we purposely like caked on
Speaker 3: mud to the right side of the ball, And we
Speaker 3: did that with a bunch of balls. We put on
Speaker 3: the left side of the bawl, we put on the top,
Speaker 3: the bottom, we caked the whole thing, and we ran
Speaker 3: all kinds of testing and so we do have some
Speaker 3: great rules on that, like if you're hitting a four iron.
Speaker 3: We did a lot of this with like a four iron,
Speaker 3: so can kind of transfer to the mid iron long
Speaker 3: iron type of thing. But that what everyone's heard is correct.
Speaker 3: If there's a lot, a lot of mud on the right,
Speaker 3: the ball is gonna have a bias to the left.
Speaker 3: A lot of mud on the left, ball is gonna
Speaker 3: have a bias to the right. Now, what I think
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't know this has helped me
Speaker 3: a lot, is that when you have mud on the ball,
Speaker 3: it's gonna fly shorter. Okay, Right, that's the really big
Speaker 3: thing that I think. Oh, you think.
Speaker 2: Most of the reasoning for that, Marty, Well.
Speaker 3: It's a couple things. One and when we look at
Speaker 3: this high speed video, the mud lot most of the
Speaker 3: mud comes off right at impact, but there's energy loss. Right,
Speaker 3: there's mud on the ball. You got extra mass on
Speaker 3: the ball a lot of extra mass or a little
Speaker 3: bitound how much, and so there's more mass on the ball,
Speaker 3: and then there's energy loss through that mud coming off
Speaker 3: of the golf ball. So it's kind of slowing down
Speaker 3: the initial ball speed. That's number one and number two.
Speaker 3: Any mud that stays on there is changing some of
Speaker 3: the aerodynamic properties. Right, So that airflow stand attached is
Speaker 3: gonna it's gonna change that a little bit. It's gonna
Speaker 3: make it act a little bit like a ball with
Speaker 3: no dimples. Right, We've all heard a ball dimples kind
Speaker 3: of falls out there seeing some cool testing there. It's
Speaker 3: kind of from that aerodynamic effect. That's the other reason
Speaker 3: that's compounding that the ball is gonna go shorter or
Speaker 3: then the ball that went the shortest. I think it's
Speaker 3: kind of obvious had mud on the back of the ball.
Speaker 3: So if you have any mud between where your club
Speaker 3: head is gonna hit the ball, between the ball and
Speaker 3: the face, you're gonna lose a lot of energy. Right,
Speaker 3: So I think one thing fun about the mudball, it's
Speaker 3: something you can test. You can go to the range,
Speaker 3: make a little do a little experiment yourself and see
Speaker 3: what happens. But That's the big thing is that the
Speaker 3: mud on the left and right, they're gonna impact from
Speaker 3: the opposite direction of how that ball is gonna fly
Speaker 3: left and right. But regardless of where that mud was,
Speaker 3: you need a plan for that golf ball flying shorter.
Speaker 3: So in this four iron test we did, I mean,
Speaker 3: the balls with mud on them went. If they had
Speaker 3: a little bit of mud left and right, they'd go
Speaker 3: like twenty yards shorter, so ten percent right. So if
Speaker 3: you're two twenty, you're like, oh, it was good, foreign
Speaker 3: got some mud on it. I just need to change
Speaker 3: the aim. No, it's gonna go like twenty yard shorter
Speaker 3: if you got mud on the back or the front
Speaker 3: or the top, it's gonna go like forty yard shorter,
Speaker 3: right if you have a lot of mud on there.
Speaker 3: So that's the big one. And then and then there's
Speaker 3: just gonna be more variation, right, And I think that's
Speaker 3: kind of obvious. You got a plan for way more
Speaker 3: safety in your aim.
Speaker 4: I feel like the mudball, at least for me personally,
Speaker 4: when I've been playing, you know something that matters. So
Speaker 4: I'm playing a money game with my buddies, or I'm
Speaker 4: playing a tournament, what I've learned. And I remember Max
Speaker 4: Homa told a great story on my Get a Grip
Speaker 4: podcast when we were doing it together about playing with
Speaker 4: fred Couples at the Masters and Freddy laid up. If
Speaker 4: you remember, this was the November Masters in twenty twenty
Speaker 4: and it was saturated and they split teed that Masters,
Speaker 4: if you remember, on Thursday Friday. So they started on
Speaker 4: ten and they got to thirteen. Couples was laying up
Speaker 4: on thirteen and Max said he hit it about two
Speaker 4: feet off the ground.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 4: And he said they walked up and he said he
Speaker 4: asked him, like, what were you doing? And he goes, A,
Speaker 4: I was avoiding a mudball, and b I knew if
Speaker 4: there was mud on the ball, it would take it
Speaker 4: off by basically hitting a knockdown layup down the fairway.
Speaker 4: And I mean, that's obviously advanced thinking, and that's a
Speaker 4: veteran knowing how to play certain golf shots. But one
Speaker 4: thing I've told people about mudballs is try not to
Speaker 4: get too aggressive. You know you have mud on the
Speaker 4: ball if it's between shots, lay up, or also if
Speaker 4: there's a lot of trouble around the green, even if
Speaker 4: it's a par four, maybe consider hitting a punch nine
Speaker 4: iron or a iron down the fairway and then hit
Speaker 4: the wedge on the green and try to make par
Speaker 4: that way. Because there's so much deviation with the ball.
Speaker 4: You can even hit a good golf You can make
Speaker 4: a good swing, hit a good shot, and it could
Speaker 4: find itself in the pitdal of the area. So maybe
Speaker 4: take the foot off the pedal a bit.
Speaker 1: When there's a mudball makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta take your medicine. You know, you gotta
Speaker 3: take your medicine. And I think what Freddy did is
Speaker 3: really good advice. He did it to the nth degree there.
Speaker 3: But try to flight that ball down because you can
Speaker 3: minimize the amount of time that ball is in the air,
Speaker 3: and if it starts to go sideways, it's gonna be
Speaker 3: in It's just gonna be in the air not as long, right,
Speaker 3: So kind of keep that ball down. As another great
Speaker 3: piece of advice there. My ball can be scary, man,
Speaker 3: especially as a tournament golfer. Who you got that mud
Speaker 3: on the left and you got water on the right
Speaker 3: and the wind blowing and a mid iron. That's a
Speaker 3: scary shot. Chain' not gonna lie, Marty.
Speaker 4: I have a scary shot. At least for me that
Speaker 4: I went insight from you on in terms of execution.
Speaker 4: So this maybe is less technology base and a little
Speaker 4: bit more execution base. And I was doing the corn
Speaker 4: Ferry Tour Championship at the start of the month and
Speaker 4: the eighteenth hole at Victoria National is a dog leg
Speaker 4: right with water on the right. Now, I'm a lefty
Speaker 4: that cuts the ball, That's not a real scary tea
Speaker 4: shot for me. But if it went the other way,
Speaker 4: now you're talking about a scary shot. So what I
Speaker 4: wrote down was a t shot with trouble in your
Speaker 4: shot shape landing zone. So for me, a lefty that
Speaker 4: cuts the ball, that would be water or out of
Speaker 4: bounds left, how do you eliminate the either the shot
Speaker 4: going that way towards the trouble or at least maybe
Speaker 4: the mindset of that being a scary golf shot with trouble,
Speaker 4: maybe in the direction of the path your golf ball
Speaker 4: typically goes.
Speaker 3: I've struggled, like a lot of golfers, Shane, with the wind,
Speaker 3: the wind off your back and trouble to the right,
Speaker 3: it's okay, and that ball could begin pealing. It's just that, yes,
Speaker 3: Snario right and I've tried to think about this, like
Speaker 3: why is that? And and as i've done more force
Speaker 3: plate stuff and things of that nature. I think one
Speaker 3: thing that's happened that's that's helped me personally is if
Speaker 3: the wind's blowing off your back. We actually do this
Speaker 3: at the range because in the summer we have those
Speaker 3: big big fans and air conditioners. Yeah, you see on
Speaker 3: the side of the NFL sideline. I'll actually set up
Speaker 3: and put those right behind me. There'll be no wind
Speaker 3: down range. It just feels it's like it's blowing at
Speaker 3: your back, right. And one thing I think that happens
Speaker 3: is if the wind's blowing at your back, let's say
Speaker 3: twenty miles an hour, that's pretty significant. Fifteen miles an hour,
Speaker 3: it's going to force you to kind of want to
Speaker 3: get your pressure or your weight towards your toes. So
Speaker 3: I think what a lot of golfers do is they'll
Speaker 3: kind of quote unquote early extend. They'll come out of
Speaker 3: their posture, so to speak. Okay, So one thing that's
Speaker 3: helped me, because that's a counterbalancing move, right, is to
Speaker 3: kind of get your weight further back on your heels,
Speaker 3: and maybe you do that because your hips go forward
Speaker 3: and your chest comes up and that tips the shaft
Speaker 3: and you get your swing direction more left and you
Speaker 3: hit a you know, a shot that gets you into
Speaker 3: real trouble. So one thing that's helped me is to
Speaker 3: really try to stay in my posture or flextion with
Speaker 3: my upper body. That's number one. Number two could be
Speaker 3: changing like we talked about, we recently had a conversation
Speaker 3: with Kent notes about driver versus three with three wood
Speaker 3: might be easier to draw. So I think maybe considering
Speaker 3: going to a three wood in that scenario could be
Speaker 3: super helpful where you have a little bit more spin,
Speaker 3: maybe easier to draw. If you have the skill and capability,
Speaker 3: it might not be a bad idea to try to
Speaker 3: bias your impact location slightly to the toe. Certainly that's
Speaker 3: a little bit more advanced technique for maybe a player
Speaker 3: that they could do that, and then changing your tea height.
Speaker 3: I think teeing it low with your driver will generally
Speaker 3: impart more slice spin. Okay, so if you're comfortable with that,
Speaker 3: trying to bias your impact location slightly high and slightly
Speaker 3: toe side can kind of hedge that. So I've tried
Speaker 3: to implement, you know, the combination of all those three things.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, shanees these scary shots,
Speaker 3: the most important thing is to commit. You gotta commit.
Speaker 3: Even if you happen to get it in there and
Speaker 3: get it into trouble, you want to be happy with
Speaker 3: your commitment to that shot.
Speaker 4: So we've brought up i'd say shots that you might
Speaker 4: face once around or maybe once a month, right, a mudball,
Speaker 4: a forty fifty yard bunker shot like these don't happen
Speaker 4: every round. This happens multiple times around. And it's as
Speaker 4: much as you guys have done in terms of trying
Speaker 4: to simplify gapping for players. There's we don't have thirty
Speaker 4: clubs in the back, right, We've got fourteen clubs in
Speaker 4: the back, and that is it. What about awkward yardage
Speaker 4: or in between club golf shots with an iron? What
Speaker 4: do you tell people when their seven iron goes one
Speaker 4: forty they're six iron goes one fifty five, and they're
Speaker 4: at one forty five and they're going, do I try
Speaker 4: to step on the seven iron? Do I try to
Speaker 4: hit an easy six?
Speaker 3: Like? What do you feel like is the best case
Speaker 3: scenario or the best practice for the player that deals
Speaker 3: with the in between shot that they have three, four,
Speaker 3: five times.
Speaker 1: Around, Shane.
Speaker 3: I think it's highly dependent on the skill of the golfer, right,
Speaker 3: and so if it's let's say mid to high handicap player,
Speaker 3: they're probably not skilled enough to kind of maybe be
Speaker 3: practicing some tweeener techniques. I would say at that point,
Speaker 3: it's all about strategy, like is it better to be
Speaker 3: long of the pin? Is it better to be short?
Speaker 3: One thing we've seen glaring with our RCOs data mining
Speaker 3: is that mid to high handicap golfers come up short
Speaker 3: at a ratio of like five or ten to one,
Speaker 3: then they go long. So give yourself permission, folks, to
Speaker 3: look at what happens here if I hit this thing
Speaker 3: past the hole. Okay, the better player is always looking
Speaker 3: at that they got that front pin, they're looking at
Speaker 3: the back, you know, they're looking at the yardage to
Speaker 3: hit it to the back of the green. That has
Speaker 3: been super helpful, Shane. So for me, let's say I
Speaker 3: get there, it's one sixty five water short triple bogue.
Speaker 3: If you come up short, give me the number to
Speaker 3: the back of the green. If it's one eighty five
Speaker 3: and I know if I rip a seven iron, it's
Speaker 3: never going past one eighty five. I'm hitting that seven
Speaker 3: iron back there to one seventy eight all day long.
Speaker 3: Feet yep, get your two putt and get out of there.
Speaker 3: So strategy is number one. And then if you do
Speaker 3: that at you know, take that number to the pin
Speaker 3: out of your brain, give yourself another number that's ten
Speaker 3: yards past the pin and commit. That would be a
Speaker 3: choice number one if you do want to work on
Speaker 3: kind of dialing it in. Uh. I think it's an
Speaker 3: experimentation between gripping down, see what that does for you.
Speaker 3: That doesn't work for everybody because a lot of people say,
Speaker 3: oh I grip down and actually hit the same distance
Speaker 3: just lower. So that's kind of something that happens for
Speaker 3: a lot of people. So gripping down, changing your tempo,
Speaker 3: swinging a little bit slower Shane Wan technique I've kind
Speaker 3: of used. I've talked about that's kind of a seeker.
Speaker 3: One is changing golf ball that goes a little bit shorter.
Speaker 3: That's that's a little fun one to throw in the
Speaker 3: mix too, Marty.
Speaker 4: Something that I have seen with my buddies about golf.
Speaker 4: In terms of this discussion, about you know you don't
Speaker 4: have a perfect number, right, because rarely do you have
Speaker 4: the perfect number. It doesn't happen a lot. Is we
Speaker 4: all have rangefinders now and we all shoot the flag,
Speaker 4: and I feel like in our brains what has happened
Speaker 4: is we've become obset with the number that is on
Speaker 4: the screen. Right I shoot the flag, it says one
Speaker 4: forty three. And what you said earlier is exactly what
Speaker 4: I tell my buddies is, don't fall in love with
Speaker 4: just the pin number, because the greens are big. Greens
Speaker 4: are big, and you might have ten yards short and
Speaker 4: you might have fifteen yards long. And yeah, you don't
Speaker 4: get a pin sheet at most casual round golf courses
Speaker 4: you play, but you're smart enough as a golfer to
Speaker 4: look at where the pin is. Maybe they're colored flags.
Speaker 4: Maybe red is front and you've got a red flag,
Speaker 4: blues back, whatever. Or you know your golf course because
Speaker 4: you play it often and you know where the flag is.
Speaker 4: Just at least if nothing else, I write it down.
Speaker 4: I'll write it down on a pin sheet. When I'm
Speaker 4: playing in tournament golf, I'll write the number down and
Speaker 4: then I'll do the math and figure out what front
Speaker 4: and back is what it has done for me, Marty,
Speaker 4: is it frees the shot up. It makes the shot
Speaker 4: way less stressful because all of a sudden, I'm in
Speaker 4: an uncomfortable number and I know I don't necessarily have
Speaker 4: a stock shot to hit there. But I've now got
Speaker 4: twenty yards like you said, I've got twenty yards long.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, I mean I can hit the longer
Speaker 4: club because even if I mash it to your point
Speaker 4: about the seven hour and on eighty five, even if
Speaker 4: I absolutely hit it in the screws, I know that
Speaker 4: ball's not going to go over the green. And if
Speaker 4: you're on the green and you have thirty feet for birdie,
Speaker 4: make your par and move on to when you get
Speaker 4: a more comfortable number.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Shane, that's great advice. And one of my friends
Speaker 3: who caddies on the PGA Tours caddy for me in
Speaker 3: a bunch of events. He said, Hey, you need a
Speaker 3: kind of caddy for yourself in these tournaments when I'm
Speaker 3: out there playing by myself. I've actually literally tried to
Speaker 3: do that like first person, third person, like oh, one
Speaker 3: eighty five, you're never going over with that. You can
Speaker 3: rip that all day long. And you will never go over.
Speaker 3: So that's such important advice, and it has that compounding
Speaker 3: effects Chaine that it frees you up.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I think one interesting thing I was so curious about
Speaker 3: when we talked to Victor Hoblin about his winning the
Speaker 3: playoff event and in Chicago was when he shot twenty
Speaker 3: eight on the back nine. I think he actually did
Speaker 3: have the perfect number on a lot of those shots.
Speaker 3: Totally agree, And that's how that was. Part of how
Speaker 3: that happened is like, okay, he could he could literally
Speaker 3: go at every flag because he had the perfect number. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he took a little bit off here, look a little
Speaker 3: bit off there. That's when the magic happens. But that
Speaker 3: is a rare thing to have that perfect number on
Speaker 3: a lot of shots.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, we're talking a bit about scary shots, but
Speaker 4: we're also talking a bit about misconceptions in and around golf,
Speaker 4: shots and golf, and James Knitties has brought this up
Speaker 4: to me multiple times. I do a lot of the
Speaker 4: corn Ferry Tour covered with James. He's become a good
Speaker 4: buddy of mine, and he says that you hear so
Speaker 4: many people say it's tough to back up a really
Speaker 4: low round with another great round. And one of his
Speaker 4: points about that is most really low rounds from pro
Speaker 4: golfers happen when you do have those great numbers.
Speaker 1: So you have a round.
Speaker 4: Where three of the part three's are your stock clubs. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then you've hit six or sevent t shots to
Speaker 4: stock numbers. And when you're really grooving and you're feeling
Speaker 4: good with the golf, swinging with your golf game, that's
Speaker 4: gonna be inside of an eight foot circle. You're gonna
Speaker 4: have a lot of birdie putts there. And then the
Speaker 4: next day, all of a sudden, the part threes aren't
Speaker 4: your stock numbers, and you aren't hit those shots with
Speaker 4: the stock numbers, and it's not as easy to hit
Speaker 4: the ball to eight feet. So I find that really fascinating.
Speaker 4: Another scary shot before we get to one more, I
Speaker 4: did want to ask you. You're a great player, You've
Speaker 4: played in major championships. We know about your golf pedigree.
Speaker 4: What is your scary shot? What's the shot that scares
Speaker 4: Marty the most when you're playing competitive golf.
Speaker 3: Shane, in those big events, It's the scariest thing for
Speaker 3: me is the first t shot. I gotta be honest,
Speaker 3: I am so nervous man that first major I played
Speaker 3: in at Atlanta Athletic Club, I just was so nervous
Speaker 3: and I had a lot of anxiety about getting off
Speaker 3: the first tee. It doesn't matter if it's like the
Speaker 3: easiest hole. Even when I played the Phoenix Open here
Speaker 3: and the first hole is like a nothing burger, Like.
Speaker 2: You're probably not a hitting driver, right, yeah, you don't
Speaker 2: even hit driver.
Speaker 3: I was so nervous. I like T driver super low
Speaker 3: and I chipped it down there. So that is that
Speaker 3: scares me more than it, you know whatever. I could
Speaker 3: be on the second green having to hit a flop
Speaker 3: shot into the grain over bunker and that will that
Speaker 3: is nothing compared to getting off that first tea. And
Speaker 3: I think that's for me because I only playing those event.
Speaker 3: I'm not playing those events like all the time, right,
Speaker 3: But it's so strange after I hit that first t shot,
Speaker 3: walking down the tour walk with my caddy, Everything's like
Speaker 3: back to normal and I'm pumped, excited and feeling good.
Speaker 1: Marty.
Speaker 4: It's funny with with kind of some changes in technology.
Speaker 4: It to me, and I'm sure you feel the same
Speaker 4: way with the G four to thirty driver. I'm so
Speaker 4: in love with this driver that when I'm nervous, I
Speaker 4: want to hit the driver over every other club in
Speaker 4: my bag. I think if you go back twenty years,
Speaker 4: that would not have been the case for most golfers.
Speaker 4: They're gonna hit a long iron, They're gonna try to
Speaker 4: get something in the fairway. I'm with you, I'd say,
Speaker 4: if you ask me the same question, always the first tea,
Speaker 4: I'll be thinking about it a day in advance, like,
Speaker 4: oh my goodness, this first hole and at the ameter,
Speaker 4: you know, I started at Colorado. The first hole is
Speaker 4: a par five and you have to bash driver, and
Speaker 4: you have to be a good driver. And it was
Speaker 4: actually nice for me because I remember I was so
Speaker 4: nervous about the tea shot trouble on both sides. If
Speaker 4: you missed the fairway, you're basically gonna be retine. And
Speaker 4: I got on the tee and I said, aim right,
Speaker 4: and just try to hit it as hard as you can,
Speaker 4: because what that does is it kind of freese a
Speaker 4: bit of the nerves up, allowing you to swing driver.
Speaker 4: And like you said, in a nervy moment of yours,
Speaker 4: playing your first phoenix open the last thing you want
Speaker 4: to do is try to kind of crunch squeeze a hybrid.
Speaker 2: You're like, man, I'll sit the driver again.
Speaker 3: I need that big head. Yeah. So that's scary for
Speaker 3: me personally, like that first tea shot. But you know
Speaker 3: that's different for everybody, you know. But that's uh, that's
Speaker 3: given me some anxiety, and I've tried to be very
Speaker 3: aware of it, like, hey, this is gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You are gonna be there.
Speaker 3: Embrace your nerves, Embrace it. You know it's gonna be
Speaker 3: a part of.
Speaker 1: It, all right.
Speaker 4: Last one for you, left to right putts for righty,
Speaker 4: what do you do to avoid the scariness of having
Speaker 4: that slider that moves away from you? You know, I
Speaker 4: always go back to Torrey Pines and John Rahm and
Speaker 4: his ability to make those putts on the last two
Speaker 4: holes that were all sliding away from him. Those are
Speaker 4: scary puts for right handers. For me, obviously, it's moving
Speaker 4: the other way. But how do you commit to the
Speaker 4: putts that move away from a golfer that feel like
Speaker 4: they're hard to get online?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the sensation that at least I've had
Speaker 3: Shane personally is it's almost like right when the ball
Speaker 3: is still on the face, it's starting to slide already,
Speaker 3: I agree with you. So that's pretty interesting. I think
Speaker 3: one thing that I've done is, you know, stand a little,
Speaker 3: you know, change how far you're standing from the ball,
Speaker 3: so I will actually scoot a little bit closer to
Speaker 3: the to the ones. Okay, So I think that kind
Speaker 3: of hedges the face a little bit more closed, and
Speaker 3: it keeps my pressure and my weight more in my toes.
Speaker 3: Right again, kind of, I think that when the ball
Speaker 3: above and below your feet, there's a lot going on
Speaker 3: there because you're not used to practicing those things. And
Speaker 3: then I think the big thing this this might be
Speaker 3: sound like very simple advice, is try to turn that
Speaker 3: thing into a straight putt, so you know, work on
Speaker 3: your green reading. Pick a really good target, pick a
Speaker 3: really good spot. That's that's helped me is try to
Speaker 3: try to improve my green reading. And even if this putt,
Speaker 3: I mean those puts John Rommaine were breaking like twelve
Speaker 3: feet or fifteen feet or whatever, but try to almost
Speaker 3: visualize your You're you're watching TV with the with the
Speaker 3: putt viewed trace and the putt trace and saying, okay,
Speaker 3: this is where I need to start this thing right
Speaker 3: and be really committed to that and try to think
Speaker 3: about it like a visualize it like a straight putt,
Speaker 3: and just let it go. Don't worry about making it.
Speaker 3: Just commit to it.
Speaker 1: Marty.
Speaker 2: I'm not a I'm not a draw line on the
Speaker 2: golf ball guy.
Speaker 1: I don't do that.
Speaker 4: I did it for a while, and what I learned
Speaker 4: about myself was I'm more of a feel putter. And
Speaker 4: what happened was I became I'm obsessed with the line.
Speaker 4: I gotta start it on the line here, So it's
Speaker 4: never worked great for me. What I have learned is
Speaker 4: I will line up those putts so again, I'm a
Speaker 4: left handed golfer, so minor moving the other way from you,
Speaker 4: minor moving right to left, I'll line up like the
Speaker 4: prov one X line with the with the arrows on it.
Speaker 4: I don't have the I don't draw it on there
Speaker 4: with the sharpie. But when I have this scary six
Speaker 4: footers that are moving that way that you need to
Speaker 4: make for par I'll actually line it up because to me, Marty,
Speaker 4: it does what you said. It makes it a straight
Speaker 4: putt right all of a sudden. As long as I
Speaker 4: can start it on that line, I know that it
Speaker 4: has a good chance of going in and it saves
Speaker 4: me that face push that's so easy to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think you see the tour players like
Speaker 3: this kind of gets into that concept of block practice
Speaker 3: versus random. But I think you've seen some tour players
Speaker 3: talk about they have a big putt under pressure and
Speaker 3: they just put themselves in the scenario of their block practice, like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna treat this one like I just I
Speaker 3: just hit a bunch of these twelve footers with my
Speaker 3: or eight, with my mirrors and my alignments and all
Speaker 3: that stuff, and they just put themselves into that zone,
Speaker 3: you know. I think it was Justin Rose talked about
Speaker 3: that at the Ryder Cup, right like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: hit this like I like, I like I do my
Speaker 3: block practice, and if you put that line on there
Speaker 3: or turn it into a straight putt, I think that
Speaker 3: is a way to kind of get out of this
Speaker 3: pressure scary moment and put yourself into Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: I've hit them. I've just hit a million of these,
Speaker 3: uh you know, uh in practice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marty, It's funny.
Speaker 4: I one of the things that flipped for me in
Speaker 4: terms of putting in that five eight foot circle that
Speaker 4: obviously is kind of that scoring area is I would
Speaker 4: I would go through a lot of what ifs in
Speaker 4: my brain as I was either looking at a pot
Speaker 4: or reading a putt, or it's gonna break more than
Speaker 4: it is or whatever. And something that's helped me over
Speaker 4: the last couple of years is I've simplified it down
Speaker 4: to this. If it's a really nervy putt, I tell
Speaker 4: myself there are two scenarios. You can miss it or
Speaker 4: you can make it, and that is it. And it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter if you've read it perfectly or if you
Speaker 4: hit the perfect putt. There's there's two outcomes and all
Speaker 4: you can do, and you said this earlier, all you
Speaker 4: can do is commit to what you think the putt does.
Speaker 4: And if you've committed to it, when it doesn't go in,
Speaker 4: then you read it wrong, or that it didn't roll perfect,
Speaker 4: it hits something, whatever.
Speaker 1: The case may be.
Speaker 4: But if you have committed to what you saw the
Speaker 4: putt do, that's all you can do. That's the only
Speaker 4: thing you can kind of control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3: I mean what I do on my putting, Shane, is
Speaker 3: I do it based on my breath work, right, So
Speaker 3: I do these kind of a breathing technique that is
Speaker 3: intended to calm your nervous system. And when in my routine,
Speaker 3: I do four breaths and I released, I roll the
Speaker 3: putt after my last exhale in that fourth breath. But
Speaker 3: one thing I always think about, Shane, is that is
Speaker 3: Tiger making that putt. We've all seen the worm cam
Speaker 3: at Tory Pine. Yeah, we all to get in the playoff. Man,
Speaker 3: oh man, that ball is like I mean, it's it's
Speaker 3: like plink O going down there. I mean how I mean,
Speaker 3: think about what was He couldn't force that thing in.
Speaker 3: He just could let it go. It's gonna hit all
Speaker 3: its little humps and bumps and then boom drop in there.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, look at how much that changed history.
Speaker 3: You can only control getting that ball started, you know,
Speaker 3: the rest of it is out of your control.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's it's you know, some guys complete
Speaker 4: the pass on fourth and six and some guys don't.
Speaker 4: And Tiger was obvious the guy that would always complete
Speaker 4: the path on fourth pass on fourth and six. Do
Speaker 4: you have any more scary golf shots you want to hit?
Speaker 4: On before we go, because I know like there's plenty.
Speaker 4: I mean there's a million out there. I mean off
Speaker 4: a car path, out of a divot. Anything that you've
Speaker 4: kind of feel like you've perfected in terms of the
Speaker 4: scary Halloween shot that that you've got advice on.
Speaker 3: I think the uh Man in the the other scary
Speaker 3: one for me, Shane is into the grain, super grainy Bermuda,
Speaker 3: Texas Florida grain.
Speaker 1: Whatever. What you gotta getting nervous with you talking about it?
Speaker 3: Mark, you got a bunker there that's soft and sandy,
Speaker 3: and you're gonna plug it. You gotta hit it high,
Speaker 3: the pins tucked your short side. Man, you have to commit.
Speaker 3: You gotta commit. I think the big thing on scary
Speaker 3: shots for everybody's take your medicine, Like, don't be afraid
Speaker 3: even if you're around the green or in a bunker
Speaker 3: forty fifty yards out, get the ball on the green,
Speaker 3: eliminate the double bogie.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's so funny that I feel like most golfers you
Speaker 4: play with, you know somebody that's in that let's call
Speaker 4: it eight to fifteen handicap range. They've been struggling off
Speaker 4: to tea most of the day. They pipe a drive
Speaker 4: on a par five, they're kind of at their max
Speaker 4: carry or capacity with the three wood, and there's trouble
Speaker 4: around the green and they're trying to hit threewood on
Speaker 4: the green right, and you're sitting there going you did
Speaker 4: the hard part, you hit the drive, you pulled it off. Yeah,
Speaker 4: make this easy on yourself. Hit a six iron down
Speaker 4: the fairway, give yourself one hundred yards, and even as
Speaker 4: a fifteen handicap from one hundred yards, you're likely gonna
Speaker 4: hit it in and around the green and give yourself
Speaker 4: that chance at part. And maybe you hit a great
Speaker 4: wedge and you make the birdie. But what's the likelihood
Speaker 4: that after the great t shot, when the swing hasn't
Speaker 4: been there all day, you're gonna produce that three wood
Speaker 4: that goes your best distance possible to get on the green.
Speaker 1: You know, water short, water left.
Speaker 3: It's just try it, like you said, try to take
Speaker 3: the scary out of it by giving yourself a little leeway.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, Shane Golfers. There are scary shots every time
Speaker 3: you tee it up. That's everything. That's the beauty and
Speaker 3: the pain of this game. I think I still think
Speaker 3: about golf shots that I've hit over the years that
Speaker 3: frightened me to the core and I wish I could
Speaker 3: have back, but we.
Speaker 4: All have them for everybody. Have a happy, have a safe,
Speaker 4: have a great Halloween. Take some of the candy from
Speaker 4: the kids, keep it on the side, put it in.
Speaker 1: Your golf bag.
Speaker 3: That's for you, that's for all the walk and you're
Speaker 3: gonna be doing tonight, and we'll check back with you
Speaker 3: guys next week.
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