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Speaker 1: The guys from Ping.

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Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters.

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Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot I

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Speaker 2: kind of want.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 3: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Pink Proving Grounds podcast, Marty. It

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Speaker 4: is one of the great parts of the year, I'd say,

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Speaker 4: in both of the areas we live at in the Northeast.

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Speaker 4: Just wrapping up fall golf, which has been epic obviously.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm just wreaking leaves all the time. But we

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Speaker 4: roll into Halloween week, you get the weather to break.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: I know you're dealing with a bit of oversea right now,

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Speaker 4: but golf courses are about to be epic for the

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Speaker 4: next four or five months in Arizona. Is this the

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Speaker 4: best time of the year, I'd say, just as a

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Speaker 4: universal truth in the United States.

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Speaker 3: I Shane, I talked to my wife about that all

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Speaker 3: the time. I love the fall. She loves the spring,

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Speaker 3: her birthdays in the spring Easter, you know, flowers are blooming,

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Speaker 3: but it's always windy in the spring. Is a golfer

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Speaker 3: I love those perfectly calm no win quiet fall days.

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Speaker 3: That's my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Marty.

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Speaker 4: Are you an adult dresser upper for Halloween or I

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Speaker 4: know your kids are a little older than mine. I'm

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Speaker 4: assuming if you did that at one point it might

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we stopped that a while back. We phased out

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Speaker 3: the adult dresser Reppert. It's all about the kids nowadays.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm the reason I have the beard, by

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Speaker 4: the way, is I'm Luigi to my son's Mario this year.

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Speaker 4: So this will all be shaved for the actual day

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Speaker 4: letting it grow a little baby, a little more than

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 3: I think one year, I like a couple of us

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Speaker 4: And Marty, can we just say this now, this wasn't

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Speaker 3: One year we did a paper mache Spuds Mackenzie hat

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Speaker 4: that was easily my favorite as a kid Halloween outfit.

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to dive into the scariest.

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Speaker 1: Egg, Andy and the crew.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to start with the fried egg because what

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Speaker 4: And when average player amateur players show up and they

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Speaker 3: The fried egg is one for me, Shane. I don't

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Speaker 3: Friday egg where you recoil. You're gonna go in there

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Speaker 3: But there's a technique where you actually if it's super fried,

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Speaker 2: Down seven exactly. It's interesting, Marty.

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Speaker 4: I was taught initially as a kid to do the

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Speaker 4: that where you'd close the face. Yea, you'd almost hit

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Speaker 4: idea you said it.

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Speaker 4: But I think something you said is interesting about bunker

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Speaker 1: And one of the issues is speed. One of the

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Speaker 1: Where am I hitting this golf shot?

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Speaker 4: X on the yardage book for a lot of tour players.

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Speaker 4: say par and a par five or avoid the double bogie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it is a scary one. Yeah, and even you, Shane,

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Speaker 3: you said it better. Players get anxiety about this shot.

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Speaker 3: ran some numbers from shot Link Shane that showed tour

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Speaker 2: What, Marty, why is that?

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Speaker 4: It, Marty, I was playing golf yesterday on seventeen at

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Speaker 1: Like whatever.

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Speaker 4: The line wasn't great, but I was like, whatever the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Shane, that's tour level thinking. I mean, we saw

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Speaker 3: That was unbelievable And the fact that you gave him

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Speaker 3: just I think that's the thing. When you get in

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Speaker 3: And I guarantee you the tour players are thinking that

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Speaker 4: Marty, I've got a list of scary shots on our

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, well, I'll kind of talk about maybe

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Speaker 3: For those people that are scared of heights. Maybe I'm

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Speaker 3: think the mudball one could be an interesting one, Shaine.

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Speaker 4: I mean again, I again, what I find fascinated about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, quite frankly, anytime you know, any

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Speaker 4: We've all heard if the MUD's on the left or

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Speaker 3: Oh do we have a Shane. So this all started

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Speaker 3: We did a lot of this with like a four iron,

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Speaker 3: If there's a lot, a lot of mud on the right,

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Speaker 2: Most of the reasoning for that, Marty, Well.

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Speaker 3: It's a couple things. One and when we look at

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Speaker 3: make it act a little bit like a ball with

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Speaker 3: no dimples. Right, We've all heard a ball dimples kind

439
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Speaker 3: of falls out there seeing some cool testing there. It's

440
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Speaker 3: kind of from that aerodynamic effect. That's the other reason

441
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Speaker 3: that's compounding that the ball is gonna go shorter or

442
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Speaker 3: then the ball that went the shortest. I think it's

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Speaker 3: kind of obvious had mud on the back of the ball.

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Speaker 3: So if you have any mud between where your club

445
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Speaker 3: head is gonna hit the ball, between the ball and

446
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Speaker 3: the face, you're gonna lose a lot of energy. Right,

447
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Speaker 3: So I think one thing fun about the mudball, it's

448
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Speaker 3: something you can test. You can go to the range,

449
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Speaker 3: make a little do a little experiment yourself and see

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Speaker 3: what happens. But That's the big thing is that the

451
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Speaker 3: mud on the left and right, they're gonna impact from

452
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Speaker 3: the opposite direction of how that ball is gonna fly

453
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Speaker 3: left and right. But regardless of where that mud was,

454
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Speaker 3: you need a plan for that golf ball flying shorter.

455
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Speaker 3: So in this four iron test we did, I mean,

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Speaker 3: the balls with mud on them went. If they had

457
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Speaker 3: a little bit of mud left and right, they'd go

458
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Speaker 3: like twenty yards shorter, so ten percent right. So if

459
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Speaker 3: you're two twenty, you're like, oh, it was good, foreign

460
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Speaker 3: got some mud on it. I just need to change

461
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Speaker 3: the aim. No, it's gonna go like twenty yard shorter

462
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Speaker 3: if you got mud on the back or the front

463
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Speaker 3: or the top, it's gonna go like forty yard shorter,

464
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Speaker 3: right if you have a lot of mud on there.

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Speaker 3: So that's the big one. And then and then there's

466
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Speaker 3: just gonna be more variation, right, And I think that's

467
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Speaker 3: kind of obvious. You got a plan for way more

468
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Speaker 3: safety in your aim.

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Speaker 4: I feel like the mudball, at least for me personally,

470
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Speaker 4: when I've been playing, you know something that matters. So

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Speaker 4: I'm playing a money game with my buddies, or I'm

472
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Speaker 4: playing a tournament, what I've learned. And I remember Max

473
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Speaker 4: Homa told a great story on my Get a Grip

474
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Speaker 4: podcast when we were doing it together about playing with

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Speaker 4: fred Couples at the Masters and Freddy laid up. If

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Speaker 4: you remember, this was the November Masters in twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: and it was saturated and they split teed that Masters,

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Speaker 4: if you remember, on Thursday Friday. So they started on

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Speaker 4: ten and they got to thirteen. Couples was laying up

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Speaker 4: on thirteen and Max said he hit it about two

481
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Speaker 4: feet off the ground.

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Speaker 1: Yea.

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Speaker 4: And he said they walked up and he said he

484
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Speaker 4: asked him, like, what were you doing? And he goes, A,

485
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Speaker 4: I was avoiding a mudball, and b I knew if

486
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Speaker 4: there was mud on the ball, it would take it

487
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Speaker 4: off by basically hitting a knockdown layup down the fairway.

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Speaker 4: And I mean, that's obviously advanced thinking, and that's a

489
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Speaker 4: veteran knowing how to play certain golf shots. But one

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Speaker 4: thing I've told people about mudballs is try not to

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Speaker 4: get too aggressive. You know you have mud on the

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Speaker 4: ball if it's between shots, lay up, or also if

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of trouble around the green, even if

494
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Speaker 4: it's a par four, maybe consider hitting a punch nine

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Speaker 4: iron or a iron down the fairway and then hit

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Speaker 4: the wedge on the green and try to make par

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Speaker 4: that way. Because there's so much deviation with the ball.

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Speaker 4: You can even hit a good golf You can make

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Speaker 4: a good swing, hit a good shot, and it could

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Speaker 4: find itself in the pitdal of the area. So maybe

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Speaker 4: take the foot off the pedal a bit.

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Speaker 1: When there's a mudball makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta take your medicine. You know, you gotta

504
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Speaker 3: take your medicine. And I think what Freddy did is

505
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Speaker 3: really good advice. He did it to the nth degree there.

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Speaker 3: But try to flight that ball down because you can

507
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Speaker 3: minimize the amount of time that ball is in the air,

508
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Speaker 3: and if it starts to go sideways, it's gonna be

509
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Speaker 3: in It's just gonna be in the air not as long, right,

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Speaker 3: So kind of keep that ball down. As another great

511
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Speaker 3: piece of advice there. My ball can be scary, man,

512
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Speaker 3: especially as a tournament golfer. Who you got that mud

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Speaker 3: on the left and you got water on the right

514
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Speaker 3: and the wind blowing and a mid iron. That's a

515
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Speaker 3: scary shot. Chain' not gonna lie, Marty.

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Speaker 4: I have a scary shot. At least for me that

517
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Speaker 4: I went insight from you on in terms of execution.

518
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Speaker 4: So this maybe is less technology base and a little

519
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Speaker 4: bit more execution base. And I was doing the corn

520
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Speaker 4: Ferry Tour Championship at the start of the month and

521
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Speaker 4: the eighteenth hole at Victoria National is a dog leg

522
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Speaker 4: right with water on the right. Now, I'm a lefty

523
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Speaker 4: that cuts the ball, That's not a real scary tea

524
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Speaker 4: shot for me. But if it went the other way,

525
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Speaker 4: now you're talking about a scary shot. So what I

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Speaker 4: wrote down was a t shot with trouble in your

527
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Speaker 4: shot shape landing zone. So for me, a lefty that

528
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Speaker 4: cuts the ball, that would be water or out of

529
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Speaker 4: bounds left, how do you eliminate the either the shot

530
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Speaker 4: going that way towards the trouble or at least maybe

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Speaker 4: the mindset of that being a scary golf shot with trouble,

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Speaker 4: maybe in the direction of the path your golf ball

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Speaker 4: typically goes.

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Speaker 3: I've struggled, like a lot of golfers, Shane, with the wind,

535
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Speaker 3: the wind off your back and trouble to the right,

536
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Speaker 3: it's okay, and that ball could begin pealing. It's just that, yes,

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Speaker 3: Snario right and I've tried to think about this, like

538
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Speaker 3: why is that? And and as i've done more force

539
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Speaker 3: plate stuff and things of that nature. I think one

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Speaker 3: thing that's happened that's that's helped me personally is if

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Speaker 3: the wind's blowing off your back. We actually do this

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Speaker 3: at the range because in the summer we have those

543
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Speaker 3: big big fans and air conditioners. Yeah, you see on

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Speaker 3: the side of the NFL sideline. I'll actually set up

545
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Speaker 3: and put those right behind me. There'll be no wind

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Speaker 3: down range. It just feels it's like it's blowing at

547
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Speaker 3: your back, right. And one thing I think that happens

548
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Speaker 3: is if the wind's blowing at your back, let's say

549
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Speaker 3: twenty miles an hour, that's pretty significant. Fifteen miles an hour,

550
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Speaker 3: it's going to force you to kind of want to

551
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Speaker 3: get your pressure or your weight towards your toes. So

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Speaker 3: I think what a lot of golfers do is they'll

553
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Speaker 3: kind of quote unquote early extend. They'll come out of

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Speaker 3: their posture, so to speak. Okay, So one thing that's

555
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Speaker 3: helped me, because that's a counterbalancing move, right, is to

556
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Speaker 3: kind of get your weight further back on your heels,

557
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Speaker 3: and maybe you do that because your hips go forward

558
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Speaker 3: and your chest comes up and that tips the shaft

559
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Speaker 3: and you get your swing direction more left and you

560
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Speaker 3: hit a you know, a shot that gets you into

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Speaker 3: real trouble. So one thing that's helped me is to

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Speaker 3: really try to stay in my posture or flextion with

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Speaker 3: my upper body. That's number one. Number two could be

564
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Speaker 3: changing like we talked about, we recently had a conversation

565
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Speaker 3: with Kent notes about driver versus three with three wood

566
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Speaker 3: might be easier to draw. So I think maybe considering

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Speaker 3: going to a three wood in that scenario could be

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Speaker 3: super helpful where you have a little bit more spin,

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Speaker 3: maybe easier to draw. If you have the skill and capability,

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Speaker 3: it might not be a bad idea to try to

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Speaker 3: bias your impact location slightly to the toe. Certainly that's

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Speaker 3: a little bit more advanced technique for maybe a player

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Speaker 3: that they could do that, and then changing your tea height.

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Speaker 3: I think teeing it low with your driver will generally

575
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Speaker 3: impart more slice spin. Okay, so if you're comfortable with that,

576
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Speaker 3: trying to bias your impact location slightly high and slightly

577
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Speaker 3: toe side can kind of hedge that. So I've tried

578
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Speaker 3: to implement, you know, the combination of all those three things.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, shanees these scary shots,

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Speaker 3: the most important thing is to commit. You gotta commit.

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Speaker 3: Even if you happen to get it in there and

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Speaker 3: get it into trouble, you want to be happy with

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Speaker 3: your commitment to that shot.

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Speaker 4: So we've brought up i'd say shots that you might

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Speaker 4: face once around or maybe once a month, right, a mudball,

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Speaker 4: a forty fifty yard bunker shot like these don't happen

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Speaker 4: every round. This happens multiple times around. And it's as

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Speaker 4: much as you guys have done in terms of trying

589
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Speaker 4: to simplify gapping for players. There's we don't have thirty

590
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Speaker 4: clubs in the back, right, We've got fourteen clubs in

591
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Speaker 4: the back, and that is it. What about awkward yardage

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Speaker 4: or in between club golf shots with an iron? What

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Speaker 4: do you tell people when their seven iron goes one

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Speaker 4: forty they're six iron goes one fifty five, and they're

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Speaker 4: at one forty five and they're going, do I try

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Speaker 4: to step on the seven iron? Do I try to

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Speaker 4: hit an easy six?

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Speaker 3: Like? What do you feel like is the best case

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Speaker 3: scenario or the best practice for the player that deals

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Speaker 3: with the in between shot that they have three, four,

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Speaker 3: five times.

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Speaker 1: Around, Shane.

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Speaker 3: I think it's highly dependent on the skill of the golfer, right,

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Speaker 3: and so if it's let's say mid to high handicap player,

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Speaker 3: they're probably not skilled enough to kind of maybe be

606
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Speaker 3: practicing some tweeener techniques. I would say at that point,

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Speaker 3: it's all about strategy, like is it better to be

608
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Speaker 3: long of the pin? Is it better to be short?

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Speaker 3: One thing we've seen glaring with our RCOs data mining

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Speaker 3: is that mid to high handicap golfers come up short

611
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Speaker 3: at a ratio of like five or ten to one,

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Speaker 3: then they go long. So give yourself permission, folks, to

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Speaker 3: look at what happens here if I hit this thing

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Speaker 3: past the hole. Okay, the better player is always looking

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Speaker 3: at that they got that front pin, they're looking at

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Speaker 3: the back, you know, they're looking at the yardage to

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Speaker 3: hit it to the back of the green. That has

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Speaker 3: been super helpful, Shane. So for me, let's say I

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Speaker 3: get there, it's one sixty five water short triple bogue.

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Speaker 3: If you come up short, give me the number to

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Speaker 3: the back of the green. If it's one eighty five

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Speaker 3: and I know if I rip a seven iron, it's

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Speaker 3: never going past one eighty five. I'm hitting that seven

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Speaker 3: iron back there to one seventy eight all day long.

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Speaker 3: Feet yep, get your two putt and get out of there.

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Speaker 3: So strategy is number one. And then if you do

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Speaker 3: that at you know, take that number to the pin

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Speaker 3: out of your brain, give yourself another number that's ten

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Speaker 3: yards past the pin and commit. That would be a

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Speaker 3: choice number one if you do want to work on

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Speaker 3: kind of dialing it in. Uh. I think it's an

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Speaker 3: experimentation between gripping down, see what that does for you.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't work for everybody because a lot of people say,

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Speaker 3: oh I grip down and actually hit the same distance

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Speaker 3: just lower. So that's kind of something that happens for

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Speaker 3: a lot of people. So gripping down, changing your tempo,

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Speaker 3: swinging a little bit slower Shane Wan technique I've kind

638
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Speaker 3: of used. I've talked about that's kind of a seeker.

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Speaker 3: One is changing golf ball that goes a little bit shorter.

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Speaker 3: That's that's a little fun one to throw in the

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Speaker 3: mix too, Marty.

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Speaker 4: Something that I have seen with my buddies about golf.

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Speaker 4: In terms of this discussion, about you know you don't

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Speaker 4: have a perfect number, right, because rarely do you have

645
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Speaker 4: the perfect number. It doesn't happen a lot. Is we

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Speaker 4: all have rangefinders now and we all shoot the flag,

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Speaker 4: and I feel like in our brains what has happened

648
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Speaker 4: is we've become obset with the number that is on

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Speaker 4: the screen. Right I shoot the flag, it says one

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Speaker 4: forty three. And what you said earlier is exactly what

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Speaker 4: I tell my buddies is, don't fall in love with

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Speaker 4: just the pin number, because the greens are big. Greens

653
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Speaker 4: are big, and you might have ten yards short and

654
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 4: you might have fifteen yards long. And yeah, you don't

655
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 4: get a pin sheet at most casual round golf courses

656
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: you play, but you're smart enough as a golfer to

657
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 4: look at where the pin is. Maybe they're colored flags.

658
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 4: Maybe red is front and you've got a red flag,

659
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 4: blues back, whatever. Or you know your golf course because

660
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: you play it often and you know where the flag is.

661
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 4: Just at least if nothing else, I write it down.

662
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 4: I'll write it down on a pin sheet. When I'm

663
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 4: playing in tournament golf, I'll write the number down and

664
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 4: then I'll do the math and figure out what front

665
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 4: and back is what it has done for me, Marty,

666
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 4: is it frees the shot up. It makes the shot

667
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 4: way less stressful because all of a sudden, I'm in

668
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 4: an uncomfortable number and I know I don't necessarily have

669
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 4: a stock shot to hit there. But I've now got

670
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 4: twenty yards like you said, I've got twenty yards long.

671
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, I mean I can hit the longer

672
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 4: club because even if I mash it to your point

673
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 4: about the seven hour and on eighty five, even if

674
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 4: I absolutely hit it in the screws, I know that

675
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 4: ball's not going to go over the green. And if

676
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 4: you're on the green and you have thirty feet for birdie,

677
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 4: make your par and move on to when you get

678
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 4: a more comfortable number.

679
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Shane, that's great advice. And one of my friends

680
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: who caddies on the PGA Tours caddy for me in

681
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: a bunch of events. He said, Hey, you need a

682
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: kind of caddy for yourself in these tournaments when I'm

683
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: out there playing by myself. I've actually literally tried to

684
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 3: do that like first person, third person, like oh, one

685
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 3: eighty five, you're never going over with that. You can

686
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: rip that all day long. And you will never go over.

687
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: So that's such important advice, and it has that compounding

688
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: effects Chaine that it frees you up.

689
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: Now.

690
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 3: I think one interesting thing I was so curious about

691
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 3: when we talked to Victor Hoblin about his winning the

692
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: playoff event and in Chicago was when he shot twenty

693
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: eight on the back nine. I think he actually did

694
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: have the perfect number on a lot of those shots.

695
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: Totally agree, And that's how that was. Part of how

696
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: that happened is like, okay, he could he could literally

697
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: go at every flag because he had the perfect number. Yeah,

698
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 3: he took a little bit off here, look a little

699
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: bit off there. That's when the magic happens. But that

700
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: is a rare thing to have that perfect number on

701
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 3: a lot of shots.

702
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

703
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 4: I mean, we're talking a bit about scary shots, but

704
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 4: we're also talking a bit about misconceptions in and around golf,

705
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 4: shots and golf, and James Knitties has brought this up

706
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 4: to me multiple times. I do a lot of the

707
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 4: corn Ferry Tour covered with James. He's become a good

708
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 4: buddy of mine, and he says that you hear so

709
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 4: many people say it's tough to back up a really

710
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 4: low round with another great round. And one of his

711
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 4: points about that is most really low rounds from pro

712
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 4: golfers happen when you do have those great numbers.

713
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: So you have a round.

714
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 4: Where three of the part three's are your stock clubs. Yeah,

715
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 4: and then you've hit six or sevent t shots to

716
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 4: stock numbers. And when you're really grooving and you're feeling

717
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 4: good with the golf, swinging with your golf game, that's

718
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 4: gonna be inside of an eight foot circle. You're gonna

719
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 4: have a lot of birdie putts there. And then the

720
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: next day, all of a sudden, the part threes aren't

721
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 4: your stock numbers, and you aren't hit those shots with

722
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 4: the stock numbers, and it's not as easy to hit

723
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 4: the ball to eight feet. So I find that really fascinating.

724
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 4: Another scary shot before we get to one more, I

725
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: did want to ask you. You're a great player, You've

726
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 4: played in major championships. We know about your golf pedigree.

727
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 4: What is your scary shot? What's the shot that scares

728
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 4: Marty the most when you're playing competitive golf.

729
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: Shane, in those big events, It's the scariest thing for

730
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: me is the first t shot. I gotta be honest,

731
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: I am so nervous man that first major I played

732
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: in at Atlanta Athletic Club, I just was so nervous

733
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: and I had a lot of anxiety about getting off

734
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: the first tee. It doesn't matter if it's like the

735
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: easiest hole. Even when I played the Phoenix Open here

736
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: and the first hole is like a nothing burger, Like.

737
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: You're probably not a hitting driver, right, yeah, you don't

738
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: even hit driver.

739
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: I was so nervous. I like T driver super low

740
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: and I chipped it down there. So that is that

741
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: scares me more than it, you know whatever. I could

742
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: be on the second green having to hit a flop

743
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: shot into the grain over bunker and that will that

744
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 3: is nothing compared to getting off that first tea. And

745
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: I think that's for me because I only playing those event.

746
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: I'm not playing those events like all the time, right,

747
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 3: But it's so strange after I hit that first t shot,

748
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,719
Speaker 3: walking down the tour walk with my caddy, Everything's like

749
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: back to normal and I'm pumped, excited and feeling good.

750
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: Marty.

751
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 4: It's funny with with kind of some changes in technology.

752
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 4: It to me, and I'm sure you feel the same

753
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 4: way with the G four to thirty driver. I'm so

754
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 4: in love with this driver that when I'm nervous, I

755
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 4: want to hit the driver over every other club in

756
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 4: my bag. I think if you go back twenty years,

757
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 4: that would not have been the case for most golfers.

758
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 4: They're gonna hit a long iron, They're gonna try to

759
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 4: get something in the fairway. I'm with you, I'd say,

760
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 4: if you ask me the same question, always the first tea,

761
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 4: I'll be thinking about it a day in advance, like,

762
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 4: oh my goodness, this first hole and at the ameter,

763
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 4: you know, I started at Colorado. The first hole is

764
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 4: a par five and you have to bash driver, and

765
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 4: you have to be a good driver. And it was

766
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 4: actually nice for me because I remember I was so

767
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 4: nervous about the tea shot trouble on both sides. If

768
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 4: you missed the fairway, you're basically gonna be retine. And

769
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 4: I got on the tee and I said, aim right,

770
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 4: and just try to hit it as hard as you can,

771
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 4: because what that does is it kind of freese a

772
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 4: bit of the nerves up, allowing you to swing driver.

773
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 4: And like you said, in a nervy moment of yours,

774
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: playing your first phoenix open the last thing you want

775
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 4: to do is try to kind of crunch squeeze a hybrid.

776
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,959
Speaker 2: You're like, man, I'll sit the driver again.

777
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: I need that big head. Yeah. So that's scary for

778
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: me personally, like that first tea shot. But you know

779
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 3: that's different for everybody, you know. But that's uh, that's

780
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 3: given me some anxiety, and I've tried to be very

781
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: aware of it, like, hey, this is gonna happen.

782
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: You are gonna be there.

783
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: Embrace your nerves, Embrace it. You know it's gonna be

784
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 3: a part of.

785
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: It, all right.

786
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 4: Last one for you, left to right putts for righty,

787
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 4: what do you do to avoid the scariness of having

788
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 4: that slider that moves away from you? You know, I

789
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 4: always go back to Torrey Pines and John Rahm and

790
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 4: his ability to make those putts on the last two

791
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 4: holes that were all sliding away from him. Those are

792
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 4: scary puts for right handers. For me, obviously, it's moving

793
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 4: the other way. But how do you commit to the

794
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 4: putts that move away from a golfer that feel like

795
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 4: they're hard to get online?

796
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the sensation that at least I've had

797
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 3: Shane personally is it's almost like right when the ball

798
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: is still on the face, it's starting to slide already,

799
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 3: I agree with you. So that's pretty interesting. I think

800
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: one thing that I've done is, you know, stand a little,

801
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: you know, change how far you're standing from the ball,

802
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: so I will actually scoot a little bit closer to

803
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: the to the ones. Okay, So I think that kind

804
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 3: of hedges the face a little bit more closed, and

805
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: it keeps my pressure and my weight more in my toes.

806
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: Right again, kind of, I think that when the ball

807
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: above and below your feet, there's a lot going on

808
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: there because you're not used to practicing those things. And

809
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 3: then I think the big thing this this might be

810
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: sound like very simple advice, is try to turn that

811
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: thing into a straight putt, so you know, work on

812
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 3: your green reading. Pick a really good target, pick a

813
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: really good spot. That's that's helped me is try to

814
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 3: try to improve my green reading. And even if this putt,

815
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: I mean those puts John Rommaine were breaking like twelve

816
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: feet or fifteen feet or whatever, but try to almost

817
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: visualize your You're you're watching TV with the with the

818
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 3: putt viewed trace and the putt trace and saying, okay,

819
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: this is where I need to start this thing right

820
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: and be really committed to that and try to think

821
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 3: about it like a visualize it like a straight putt,

822
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: and just let it go. Don't worry about making it.

823
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: Just commit to it.

824
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: Marty.

825
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: I'm not a I'm not a draw line on the

826
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: golf ball guy.

827
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't do that.

828
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 4: I did it for a while, and what I learned

829
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 4: about myself was I'm more of a feel putter. And

830
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 4: what happened was I became I'm obsessed with the line.

831
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 4: I gotta start it on the line here, So it's

832
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 4: never worked great for me. What I have learned is

833
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 4: I will line up those putts so again, I'm a

834
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 4: left handed golfer, so minor moving the other way from you,

835
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 4: minor moving right to left, I'll line up like the

836
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 4: prov one X line with the with the arrows on it.

837
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 4: I don't have the I don't draw it on there

838
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 4: with the sharpie. But when I have this scary six

839
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 4: footers that are moving that way that you need to

840
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 4: make for par I'll actually line it up because to me, Marty,

841
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 4: it does what you said. It makes it a straight

842
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 4: putt right all of a sudden. As long as I

843
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 4: can start it on that line, I know that it

844
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: has a good chance of going in and it saves

845
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 4: me that face push that's so easy to do.

846
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think you see the tour players like

847
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: this kind of gets into that concept of block practice

848
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 3: versus random. But I think you've seen some tour players

849
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 3: talk about they have a big putt under pressure and

850
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: they just put themselves in the scenario of their block practice, like, oh,

851
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna treat this one like I just I

852
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 3: just hit a bunch of these twelve footers with my

853
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: or eight, with my mirrors and my alignments and all

854
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: that stuff, and they just put themselves into that zone,

855
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 3: you know. I think it was Justin Rose talked about

856
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 3: that at the Ryder Cup, right like, I'm just gonna

857
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 3: hit this like I like, I like I do my

858
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 3: block practice, and if you put that line on there

859
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 3: or turn it into a straight putt, I think that

860
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: is a way to kind of get out of this

861
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: pressure scary moment and put yourself into Okay, I'm gonna

862
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: I've hit them. I've just hit a million of these,

863
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: uh you know, uh in practice.

864
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marty, It's funny.

865
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 4: I one of the things that flipped for me in

866
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 4: terms of putting in that five eight foot circle that

867
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 4: obviously is kind of that scoring area is I would

868
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 4: I would go through a lot of what ifs in

869
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 4: my brain as I was either looking at a pot

870
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Speaker 4: or reading a putt, or it's gonna break more than

871
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 4: it is or whatever. And something that's helped me over

872
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 4: the last couple of years is I've simplified it down

873
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 4: to this. If it's a really nervy putt, I tell

874
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 4: myself there are two scenarios. You can miss it or

875
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 4: you can make it, and that is it. And it

876
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 4: doesn't matter if you've read it perfectly or if you

877
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 4: hit the perfect putt. There's there's two outcomes and all

878
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 4: you can do, and you said this earlier, all you

879
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 4: can do is commit to what you think the putt does.

880
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 4: And if you've committed to it, when it doesn't go in,

881
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 4: then you read it wrong, or that it didn't roll perfect,

882
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 4: it hits something, whatever.

883
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Speaker 1: The case may be.

884
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 4: But if you have committed to what you saw the

885
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: putt do, that's all you can do. That's the only

886
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 4: thing you can kind of control.

887
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.

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00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: I mean what I do on my putting, Shane, is

889
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: I do it based on my breath work, right, So

890
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: I do these kind of a breathing technique that is

891
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 3: intended to calm your nervous system. And when in my routine,

892
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: I do four breaths and I released, I roll the

893
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: putt after my last exhale in that fourth breath. But

894
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: one thing I always think about, Shane, is that is

895
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: Tiger making that putt. We've all seen the worm cam

896
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: at Tory Pine. Yeah, we all to get in the playoff. Man,

897
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: oh man, that ball is like I mean, it's it's

898
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 3: like plink O going down there. I mean how I mean,

899
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: think about what was He couldn't force that thing in.

900
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: He just could let it go. It's gonna hit all

901
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 3: its little humps and bumps and then boom drop in there.

902
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, look at how much that changed history.

903
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: You can only control getting that ball started, you know,

904
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: the rest of it is out of your control.

905
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's it's you know, some guys complete

906
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 4: the pass on fourth and six and some guys don't.

907
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 4: And Tiger was obvious the guy that would always complete

908
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 4: the path on fourth pass on fourth and six. Do

909
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 4: you have any more scary golf shots you want to hit?

910
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 4: On before we go, because I know like there's plenty.

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00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 4: I mean there's a million out there. I mean off

912
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 4: a car path, out of a divot. Anything that you've

913
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 4: kind of feel like you've perfected in terms of the

914
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 4: scary Halloween shot that that you've got advice on.

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Speaker 3: I think the uh Man in the the other scary

916
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: one for me, Shane is into the grain, super grainy Bermuda,

917
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: Texas Florida grain.

918
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: Whatever. What you gotta getting nervous with you talking about it?

919
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: Mark, you got a bunker there that's soft and sandy,

920
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,479
Speaker 3: and you're gonna plug it. You gotta hit it high,

921
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: the pins tucked your short side. Man, you have to commit.

922
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 3: You gotta commit. I think the big thing on scary

923
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 3: shots for everybody's take your medicine, Like, don't be afraid

924
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: even if you're around the green or in a bunker

925
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 3: forty fifty yards out, get the ball on the green,

926
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Speaker 3: eliminate the double bogie.

927
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

928
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 4: It's so funny that I feel like most golfers you

929
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 4: play with, you know somebody that's in that let's call

930
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 4: it eight to fifteen handicap range. They've been struggling off

931
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 4: to tea most of the day. They pipe a drive

932
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 4: on a par five, they're kind of at their max

933
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 4: carry or capacity with the three wood, and there's trouble

934
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 4: around the green and they're trying to hit threewood on

935
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Speaker 4: the green right, and you're sitting there going you did

936
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 4: the hard part, you hit the drive, you pulled it off. Yeah,

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00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: make this easy on yourself. Hit a six iron down

938
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 4: the fairway, give yourself one hundred yards, and even as

939
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 4: a fifteen handicap from one hundred yards, you're likely gonna

940
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 4: hit it in and around the green and give yourself

941
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 4: that chance at part. And maybe you hit a great

942
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 4: wedge and you make the birdie. But what's the likelihood

943
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 4: that after the great t shot, when the swing hasn't

944
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 4: been there all day, you're gonna produce that three wood

945
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 4: that goes your best distance possible to get on the green.

946
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Speaker 1: You know, water short, water left.

947
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Speaker 3: It's just try it, like you said, try to take

948
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 3: the scary out of it by giving yourself a little leeway.

949
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, Shane Golfers. There are scary shots every time

950
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 3: you tee it up. That's everything. That's the beauty and

951
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: the pain of this game. I think I still think

952
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: about golf shots that I've hit over the years that

953
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 3: frightened me to the core and I wish I could

954
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: have back, but we.

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Speaker 4: All have them for everybody. Have a happy, have a safe,

956
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 4: have a great Halloween. Take some of the candy from

957
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 4: the kids, keep it on the side, put it in.

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Speaker 1: Your golf bag.

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00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: That's for you, that's for all the walk and you're

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00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: gonna be doing tonight, and we'll check back with you

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Speaker 3: guys next week.

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Speaker 2: This is the Paining Proven Grounds podcast.