WEBVTT - Draft Show_4_22.mp3 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:09.760 Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:13.560 for incenter news and draft analysis from deep within the 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.040 confines of Cowboys Headquarters. 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:20.680 At the Star in Frisco. And now your host, Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.840 Today is April twenty second, it is a Tuesday, and 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:30.080 we are two days away from the NFL Draft in 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:34.160 Green Bay, Wisconsin. It's the final Draft Show presented by 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.480 Miller Lte, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. It's 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:41.239 Miller Time as we lead into draft weekends starting on Thursday, 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.760 six pm Central Time on one oh five to three 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.360 the fan in Dallascowboys dot Com the Dallas Cowboys Radio 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:49.959 Network on Thursday, and then we work all the way 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.879 through the weekend, all two hundred and fifty seven picks 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.520 coming up. Starting on Thursday. We've got Zach Wilchuck, Brian 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.600 brought us, Tommy Yarsh, Nick Harris, I'm Kyle Yeomans with 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.400 Chris and crew in the back. He's got a full 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.080 team back there getting ready for this b roll and 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.840 making sure that we've got every prospect covered. Because Brian, 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:12.279 it's time. It's draft week. How about that came quickly, 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:12.640 didn't it? 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:12.920 Yeah? 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:13.600 Not really. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:16.320 No, it's been a while. I guess i'd feel like 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.200 I've been working on this. I know next time, I've 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:20.880 been working on since the summer. I started in summer 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:22.960 at two yeah, and yeah November. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:24.520 So no, it's u. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.120 The thing right now is, like I say, I'm consumed 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.759 with trying to figure out how their stack looks, and 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:33.280 I'm trying to figure out around the league. So I 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.440 have an idea potentially of where this thing could fall 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.720 for Dallas. I'm trying to prepare for the worst possible 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.880 scenarios where, you know, for a say, for example, when 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.040 Ashton Genty goes to five to Jacksonville and then now 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.600 that turns the Raiders into maybe a tech McMillan or 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.520 something like that. I need to figure out how high 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.800 they have Matthew Golden on their board they have offensive 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:59.320 linemen above him. Is the distance between those guys pretty significant? 0:01:59.600 --> 0:01:59.840 You know? 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.640 Is Will Johnson and play We're gonna have a chance 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.480 to talk with Will McLay and those guys and Jerry 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.880 Jones and those guys today. You know, we can ask 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.000 some probing questions to maybe get an idea of where 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.080 they're looking at with some of these players, they probably 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.400 won't tell us the names, but if you can ask 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:19.359 them to specifically give you an idea of how they 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.640 measure certain players or look at certain players, then maybe 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.240 that can give you some clues. But we need to 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.840 figure out how this stack is going to be because 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.040 there's gonna be a possibility there's some players that we've 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.079 all kind of talked about that might not be there 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.519 for this football team. That part of it's the fun 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:34.600 part for me right now. 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.040 Yeah, there's no question I think that Ted McMillan is 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.600 to pick if he's there at twelve. To me, that's 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:42.240 I think the direction they're going to go. I think 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.680 he's their top wide receiver on their board personally. But 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.720 you're gonna have to navigate some some minefields now, because 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:49.720 it does sound like Ashton Genty and Brian you were 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.720 on that yesterday on our show. Jackson was probably gonna 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.040 snag him there at five, and maybe New England might 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:56.639 end up just saying, you know what, we're gonna take 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:57.119 him at four. 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:58.400 So where does Ted go? 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:00.640 Could Ted still be in play with New England who's 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.440 been tonning for wide receivers. I know they signed Stefon Diggs, 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.240 but that's a different type of wide receiver, or are 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.560 they locked in on Will Campbell what happens with the 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.440 Vegas Raiders. Then at six, I think that's a great 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:13.919 point for Tech McMillan as well. New Orleans at nine, 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.480 we've thought maybe a quarterback there. It doesn't sound like 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:18.680 they'ren on George Sanders. It sounds like Jackson Dark could 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:20.840 be the guy. Do they pivot and take Tech McMillan. 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.000 It sounds like to me that Walker's in play there. 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:27.040 The edge linebacker from Georgia is what a lot of 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.520 people are saying that the corner the quarterback is not 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:31.760 going to be the selection there. 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:33.079 We'll see, we'll see how. 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.240 But right now, the name that I'm hearing really strong 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:41.240 in New Orleans is Jalen Walker, the edge linebacker from 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.560 But he's also in play potential Carolina with Carolina at eight. 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.360 So these are guys that if you asked. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.480 Me right now, give me a wild card guy that 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:54.119 if he got through, and I think Walker's a wildcard guy. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.640 You just don't send coaches down in a private workout 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.560 to just to send them down there. You're trying to 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:02.760 kind of figure some things out. We'll figure it out 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.240 with Malik Williams out there. You figure it out too 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.120 with this, you know, with Walker as well. So I 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.560 think they're trying to kind of set things up that 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.680 if they in fact, you know, and I'm not saying 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.320 to get wiped out, but there's some potentially some guys 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.600 that they think might be there. Now this thing is 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.919 shaking a couple of different ways that maybe those guys 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.080 that they thought about here maybe a couple of weeks ago, 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.040 might not be available and they have to be able 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:25.839 to pivot off that. 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.520 Yeah, five to eleven could go a million different directions. 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.080 Really good, absolutely, And there's some pretty strong reports from 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.839 people I trust at least that say the three offensive 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:36.880 linemen are going to be in the top ten. And 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.200 if that's factoring in Will Campbell, arm On membu Kelvin Banks, 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:41.200 what does that look like? 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:42.240 Where do those guys go? 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.560 And then on the flip side, who falls you know, 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.160 who's going to be there for you at twelve you 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.039 maybe didn't expect. Is it a Jalen Walker or is 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.880 it a Tech McMillan, potentially is it a Mason Graham? 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:53.840 Even I don't think you'll slip that far, but I'm 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.400 just kind of speaking speaking to the million possibilities that 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:01.280 this top twelve will have. You know, this team, they 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.640 can they can go through the possibilities, they can go 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:05.880 through the scenarios, but they really won't know what it's 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.760 going to look like until the war room is there, 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:11.720 and there will there'll there will be a war room 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.240 discussion If Teed McMillan is off the board, I think 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.400 it will be a war room discussion to try to 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.080 guys campaigning for their guys and we'll be watching the 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:21.520 draft feed right here looking at them going back and forth. 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:23.280 Do you think Nick, that they will just sit there 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.560 and trust the stack though? When they you know, maybe 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.320 the discussions that they need to have right now are 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.480 being had. And I think this is why, you know, 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.120 with with the draft being a couple of days away, 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.160 these are the times you sit in that room and 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.520 really has shot, Okay, what if? 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:40.799 What if? 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.599 And just and just create as much tension as you 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.760 can in that room right now so that when you know, 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.640 we saw what happened with the Johnny Manziel, you know, 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:54.000 the potential Johnny Manziel discussion. Yes it was brought up, 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.120 but then it was quickly brought up that Hey, we 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.320 have Zach Martin in our stack here and here. I 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:00.800 would hate for them to get in that room and 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.680 start jumping tacks. If that was the case, that to 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.520 me defeats everything. If you're going to put together an 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.400 order and you say this is how we would take 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.359 these players, and you don't window dress your board, you 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.880 should take those players. So the discussions I think need 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.040 to be happening right now. I don't know, it sounds 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.120 like that, maybe you might feel different about that. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.120 Well, it is the benefit of having a guy like 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.040 Brian Schottenheimer in the building. He's going to over communicate, 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.240 he's going to go through those scenarios. He's going to 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.480 talk that through with the scouting staff. Whereas a couple 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.279 of years ago when there was a debate between Mazzie 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.560 Smith and Matthew bergeron you know, was that something that 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:34.599 maybe could have been addressed in the days prior and 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.280 would they maybe have made a better pick, you know, 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.640 whether it wasn't those two guys or somewhere else. So 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.440 I wonder how much they they've learned on those kinds 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:42.880 of things and can go back to. 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:46.119 It kind of the way that you're outlining this, Brian, 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.159 It kind of sounds like you feel like there is 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.240 going to be some window dressing you talk. 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:50.560 I don't. 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.360 I just like I said to me there, and I'm 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:55.640 sorry I didn't let you finish there. 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:56.440 That's my apology. 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.920 I don't think they to me, they you shouldn't window dress. 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.320 That's and I can't speak for them what's going on 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.840 in that room right now. But if you're sitting there 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:11.200 jumping tags, okay, let's let's be honest. Tom Seskowski lost 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.920 his job here with the Sharif Floyd draft. If you remember, 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.120 as they had the scouts had him, and then Rod 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.480 Marinelli wanted nothing to do with Serif Floyd. When it 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.400 came down to Dallas's time to pick, they dropped back 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.000 out of there and they took something else Frederick out. 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.800 Yeah, they had draft. It was it was it was something. 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.760 But like I said, they had they had a. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.600 Plan for what they wanted to do, and Tom Saskowski 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.040 stood up and said, hey, you know, wait a minute, 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.640 we've got this player. What are we doing. Ultimately cost 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.720 him his job. You know, that's that's the change that 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.800 you made right there because of the discussions that weren't 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:45.760 had beforehand. 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:47.160 I would like to believe. 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:48.920 That they're not going to jump tags and they're going 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.280 to have that stack how they want it. And you 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.640 saw it, you know, you talked about war room discussions. 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.680 It happened perfectly when you looked at how they drafted 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:00.800 draft or they had drafted Zach Martin. When Ryan Chazer 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.160 went off the board, Jerry Zones fired, Look, hey, Johnny 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.240 Manziel is still there. Yeah, Johnny Manziel's tags below Zach 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.520 Martin's tack. You know we're gonna take Zach Martin here. Jerry, Yeah, 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.040 you know. And that's okay, that's how those things work. 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.000 So but if there's window dressing going on and all that, 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:19.560 then to me, that doesn't that that that always spells 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.520 like failure. To me, I get when you jump in 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.480 tags because you're not true to your board. 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.320 The one question I would have, and we've all been 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.480 studying this draft and you're kind of putting together your 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.000 own stacks, is you do kind of have a clump 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.960 of players that are all very similar. 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:35.480 And I think that. 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.760 They would probably be comfortable with a good cluster of players, 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:40.079 which is why I like the trade back. 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:41.400 I think would be ideal for them. 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.200 The problem is you're hearing everybody kind of wants to 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.600 move back, and I don't think you're gonna get a partner. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.880 So is it less of maybe jumping tags just in 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.280 this weird draft? How it is when you've got players, 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:53.000 stack them. 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:54.440 Stack them, stack them. 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:56.560 I mean, if you've got a cluster of players and 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.720 we're all dealing with this right now, like I say, 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:00.920 I'm gonna I'm gonna post my stack two hundred and 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.320 thirty five players. Watch how I did the running backs 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.360 in the second round, when it came to my board, 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.640 when it came to Johnson, when it came to Hampton, 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:13.360 when it came to Henderson. You know, I to myself, 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.560 I said, I've got to do this for myself. I've 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.520 got to determine my gut feeling or film whatever you 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:20.080 want to say. 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.840 Medical. I determined that my guys and what order I 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:23.360 put them in. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.240 You know, if like you say, yeah, the cluster's nice, 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.720 put the cluster in the order that you would take it. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.440 Don't just jump around. Don't all of a sudden like, 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.040 oh jeez, we like this guy on the clock. You know, 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.000 you don't have a lot of time as is to 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:39.040 be having these discussions, these discussions need to be have 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:39.760 right now. 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.360 And I think when you put that much work into 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.240 a board and that much work into studying these prospects, 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.400 you're kind of doing yourself a disservice if you don't 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:48.880 stick to it, because then you. 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:50.120 Don't trust your own process. 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.240 And I think with the success that Dallas has had 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.280 in the draft, if you look at a broader scale 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.120 of it, going back really in terms of their franchise history, 0:09:58.160 --> 0:09:59.440 and I think that they've done. 0:09:59.280 --> 0:09:59.720 A good job. 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.120 And you've in that broom, Brian, so you've seen what 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.439 they've been able to do in terms of this class. 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.280 It is interesting because zac they very clearly it seems like, 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.160 want to move back if they can, and everybody wants 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.880 to move back if they can. My question is, since 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.080 everybody wants to move back, I wonder if there's one 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.760 of the thirty two teams out there that's saying, you know, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:20.240 what if we move up Denver? 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:20.920 What if? 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:21.960 What if ever? 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:22.520 Broncos? 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:22.920 What if? 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:23.280 Yeah? 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.400 What if we're what if we're overthinking this a little bit? 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:25.640 Yeah? 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.720 What if there's someone there, like if Tech McMillan falls 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:32.440 and Denver calls you, yeah that I think that would 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.079 be the conundrum where we're looking at that screen over 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.120 there here on Thursday, and there's a lot of debate 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:39.040 going on because what can you get it? 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:40.560 If you if you would you be it. 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.680 Would you be willing to sacrifice Ted McMillan to move 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.880 back to twenty taking that cag ye, go and pick 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:47.200 up another top one hundred, pick. 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.920 Pick fifty one. That's where the debate I think is good. 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:51.920 If you if all of a sudden, you know, the 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:53.040 cowboys will tell you. 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.640 And Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones are adamant about this 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.760 and correct me if I'm wrong. Boys, you know, the 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.280 minute you pick up that phone, you're losing the deal. Yeah, 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.520 they say that, the minute you pick up that phone, 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:05.960 you're losing the deal. So okay, they pick up the phone. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:07.760 We've seen plenty of times when they're on the clock. 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.800 Stephen Jones phone, he's just waiting. Phones ring and phone 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:12.839 ring and maybe it doesn't ring, maybe it doesn't ring 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.880 it but see they're waiting. They're waiting to see. But 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:19.439 you have to be ready for these discussions if in fact, 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:21.640 like listen, if we're going to take this deal, what 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:23.880 are we moving back for. That's what the cluster of 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.599 players helps you, but make sure you have the clusters 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.360 of players right how you would take them. You know, 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.800 there doesn't need to be a discussion about that, Like, Okay, 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.680 if we trade back and they and they go in order, 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.679 and we're comfortable with taking the third guy in the cluster, 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.400 then let's make this trade. If we're not, let's stand 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:41.280 in here and make a pick. 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.160 That's make sure of the deal with Denver that could 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.240 be just kind of throw a wrench into this is 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.960 that it would be a forty point overpay for Denver 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:51.080 to go up to twelve. 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:51.400 We saw it. 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.480 We'd give it up with Detroit last year, giving them 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.320 twenty to fifty one. Yeah, we saw it with Detroit 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:57.920 last year. But because there were a lot of calls 0:11:57.920 --> 0:11:59.400 that they were fielding right, we're not going to be 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.719 fielding nearly as many calls this year. I don't think 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:03.680 fifty one would be in play if that were to happen. 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:05.240 I think it would be a third or and then 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.320 maybe you get under seventh or something. 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:08.640 Down the line like pig eighty five. 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.640 I would like to believe that Sean Payton, if he's 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.280 coming up the board from twenty to twelve, has somebody 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.960 in mind, and it doesn't bother him to do that. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.760 He has a relationship with the Joneses. And maybe, and Nick, 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.080 I love what you're saying, I think, and I don't 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.560 think you're wrong. I just think this is if there's 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.760 somebody that can cut a deal with the Joneses on 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.040 an overpay. Look what like I say, Dan Campbell in 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.880 that group last year, it's they have a relationship. If 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.120 you have relationships in the league, and sometimes you're like, listen, 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:40.240 I want to go get this guy. 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.280 And if I have to overpay a. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.400 Two, maybe the draft gods are smiling on him because 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:46.959 they should have got a two when they traded back 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.520 for Trap when they got Travis Frederick, they took a three. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:51.360 Maybe the draft gods are saying, this is the time 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.280 you get an overpay. You know, we're going to give 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.240 you one here. But you know, I mean to me, 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.880 this is I think that a lot of the relationships 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.600 are the ones that are in hotant here. Trading partners 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:03.840 are important that like, listen, you want to come up 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.200 here and get your player, I'll take fifty one from you, 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:08.200 you know, and and and. 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:09.040 We'll call it a day. 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:10.920 And you know, you kind of put the ball in 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:12.960 Shawn's court and if he says no, then you just 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:13.880 move on with your day. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.560 How much what would a return pick look like that 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.319 in that scenario, because you could send another pick back 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.640 of those fifths and that makes up the fifty overpay, yeah, 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:23.360 forty overpay. 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.559 It would be that first fifth. And you don't want 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.240 to go from what is it, seventy six? 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:29.679 And I'm not interested in that. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:30.600 I'm not interested in doing that. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.600 But you pick up two seconds, you still have you 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:34.679 have four top one hundred. 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.160 I would rather get the third and send like a seventh, 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.720 to be honest, sure if that's if that's what it had. 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.400 To be, and that might be the back in chart. Yeah, yeah, 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.680 that's right. Now, going back to what Brian. 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.199 Was talking about, when it comes to hold them up 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:47.760 and get them, get them. 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:49.560 I would, I'd hold them up. I'm like, listen, you 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.480 want to come up here and grab a player. Obviously, 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.080 I'm I'm interested. Sure, you could take twelve. I want 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.640 fifty one, you know, and they're like, listen, we can't 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.320 do fifty one. Then I'm like okay, then I'm then 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.880 I'm done. Yeah, yeah, I'm done. And then maybe somebody 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.040 else wants to come up there. But to me, if 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:06.760 you want to make that kind of move, if we're 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:08.400 going to be in a draft where people are not 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.120 gonna give me value for my pick, you know, and pick, 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.400 then I'm just gonna I'm just gonna stand there and pick. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.560 Okay, So if they stand there and pick, we're talking 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.400 about window dressing boards, right, and what it would look like. 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.480 Let's pretend we don't have the connection. We don't talk 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:22.200 to the war room. 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:23.200 It's on mute. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.479 We're just watching them put the pick in on Thursday 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:28.920 at twelve, and it ends up being one of these 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.880 surprise names where it's Mikeel Williams or Shamar Stewart or 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.840 will Johnson or Jade Baron or one of these other 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.160 guys that's not Matthew Golden, Tedo At McMillan and kind 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:40.240 of the guys that we think to be. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:41.840 Likely to be the pick at twelve. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.840 Would you consider that window dressing your board or would 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:46.200 you consider that stay? 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.920 No, stack they they if they if they have Mikeel 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.600 Williams and Stewart and all those guys, No, that's their stack, 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:57.000 that's the stack. That's their stack. I'm not trust me 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:01.280 we're all selfish. SOB's in this room. We want them 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.920 to take the guys we like we do. It makes good, 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.600 it makes good drama, it makes good theater, it makes 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:08.360 all these. 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:10.160 Things we want them to. We don't want. I don't 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:11.960 want to sit here and rip them for taking a 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:16.880 player that I didn't like. That's not good. But to me, yeah, it's. 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.000 Their stack, and if that's their stack, then I'm not 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:21.720 going to have a problem with that. If they solve 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.120 we all see these players different. Hell Nick and I 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.000 see players different a lot, Zach. I always see players 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.800 different in this thing. So if that's what they think, 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.280 if that's what they believe, that's on them. It's not 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.400 on me. But you know, I'm hey, we put it 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:35.600 out there. We're transparent. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:36.920 But I'm like. 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:38.640 I said, if that's how they have it stacked it, 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.400 it's not window dressing. That's that's their board. 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.240 I want to kick this around, And Brian, I mean, 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.400 you've you've taught me stick to the stick to the stack, 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:46.640 stick to your board, don't wind it. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:47.960 Why dude, we don't do it. 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.920 I'm saying if you don't, if you don't do it, 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.440 if you don't believe in it then, don't I hear you? 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:53.960 Yeah? 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.120 The one thing that I wanted to ask because you 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:57.960 were trying to figure out, Hey, what are teams wanting, 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.760 and you're starting to hear corners could be a big 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.000 run here and they might go higher like some of 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.880 these guys Maxwell Harriston, Trey Amos out of all Ole 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.720 miss right, these guys might go higher than you think. 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:10.880 Do you end up saying like, maybe I need to 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.680 prioritize a position there because I might get wiped out 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:15.520 and I'm not going to get it there at forty four? 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.920 Or if with Taco, wasn't that a Taco situation, didn't 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.120 they feel like they weren't going to get a defensive 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:23.320