WEBVTT - Selects: What is folklore? 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:04.400 Hello friends, Chuck here with our Saturday Select pick. This 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:09.120 is all the way back from February. Remember that being 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.240 a very good day. Remember being happy that day because 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:16.079 we recorded a podcast about folklore and it was great 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:18.120 and a lot of fun. And it's called what Is Folklore? 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:20.600 And I think you'll enjoy it on the Saturday afternoon, 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.400 So queue it up and get going right here, right now. 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.000 Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of I 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:39.479 Heart Radio. Hey there, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:45.040 josh Joshua Clark, and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant. Jerry 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.040 is over there, just Jerry uh, and that's stuff you 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:51.000 should know that. She has a new sip gone out 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:56.440 on the FX called just Jerry. It's suddenly Jerry. Um, 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:02.320 how you doing. I'm fine as well told me to intrude, 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.680 just checking. I'm excited about this. When I first read 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:09.760 our article, I was a little bit like, oh, this 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.040 is a little unwieldy because it's so folklore. It's just 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.400 it's an amorphous. As it turns out, it's everything, yeah, 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.360 pretty much. But then you sent um, what was that 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.479 other good article from? Actually we should shout that out. 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:25.800 It was from a I think the University of Louisiana 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:29.880 or something like that. They have a folk life folklore department, 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.840 and it was basically we we stumbled upon some unit 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:37.200 for teachers to teach what folklore is and we're like, hey, 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.000 it works for us, super helpful. Yeah, it was very helpful. 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.960 It definitely. It took a lot of this amorphous stuff 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.280 that was in our article and chipped away at the 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.480 edges and gave it a little more shape. You know, agreed, So, um, 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.320 you did kind of hit it on the head. It's 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.960 it's kind of like um, nailing jelly to the wall 0:01:56.040 --> 0:02:00.080 defining what folklore is because it is so much that 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:04.840 phrases folklore. If if it isn't just me saying it, 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.800 if I share it and now other people say it, 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.799 it could become stuff you should know, folklore, oral oral folklore. 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.959 Did you make that up? It was I think I've 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.520 heard it before. Okay, so that's folklore. Yeah, I guess, 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:23.520 so it's a it's a variation though of Um, what 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.080 else did I hear? Oh? Yeah, we were talking about 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:30.640 the the nuclear fusion reactor where they were saying that 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.560 keeping plasma contained is kind of like trying to hold 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:38.720 jelly in a bunch of rubber bands. That's a nerd 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.959 science folklore. That's what inspired me to say, nailing jelly 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.600 to the wall. I like that. It seems like it 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:48.680 really sums it up. So folklore. Yeah, I found this 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.400 other definition I thought was pretty good, which is, uh, 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:55.800 traditional art, literature, knowledge and practice that is disseminated largely 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.400 through oral communication and behavioral example. Uh. And then this 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.840 was the key for me. Things that people traditionally believe, 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:07.680 do no make and say in other words, everything, Yeah, 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.240 I mean, you're right, everything that that's that's about as 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:12.320 good a definition as you're gonna find. One of the 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.160 problems with studying folklore is that there are so many 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:22.000 definitions out there. Apparently folklorists, who are people who study folklore. UM, 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.720 I don't like to be too judge e. It's kind 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:28.600 of part and parcel with their um their field of study. 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.880 You don't judge stuff, you just collect information. The problem 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.520 is is that they've also just kind of collected definitions 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.000 for folklore along the way, and there isn't one set 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:42.880 definition that's accepted by everybody. Yeah, a folklore collected stuff. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.560 I was like, that's stupid. It wouldn't It would be 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:50.920 a good Why are you guys doing that? That's a 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.320 good TV show, the bad folk folkloreist. And I might 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.680 say folk here in there because I mispronounced that word 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:01.640 often and how are you saying? Well, a lot of 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.960 times I'll say the l in fact, up until about 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.600 a year ago when someone wrote in was a stupid 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.960 it's pronounced folk like f o k folk and not folk. 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.560 But the weird thing is is like I hear the 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:19.320 l missing when I hear folk, weird, that's some sort 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.120 of like I don't hear fo k, Like it's clear 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.240 to me that there's an fo l k in there. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:28.080 You hear the silence. It's a great word. Oh okay, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:32.479 it's beautiful. It is beautiful. Um. And another thing too 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.839 that we should point out that folklore is love to 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:39.159 point out is that um, it is not and should 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:46.080 not be associated with being backward or old timey or uneducated. 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.520 Like I think a lot of people have that connotation 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.680 in their heads, that folklore is like the hillbilly on 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:55.960 the porch, you know, when their homespun wisdoms, and it 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.840 can be that, but it's it's it's not that at all, 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.880 Like it's not just that, right. Um. A really good 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:07.400 example that contradicts that is, um, Snopes. Snopes dot com 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:11.120 is basically a clearinghouse of modern folklore. Oh yeah, I 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.839 never really thought about that. You know, Um the Nigerian 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:18.000 prince scam, that's folklore. Yeah, it sure is. Emoticons even 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:24.440 are considered now a form of um verbal communication verbal folklore. Yeah, 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.720 and like you said, it's everything. And the reason it's 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.919 everything is because, um, it comes out of groups. Like 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.520 if I just have a habit, you know where Um, 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:38.400 I keep a rubber band twisted around my finger until 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.360 it turns purple, and then I'll take it off for 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.279 half an hour and then do it again. That's just 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.440 some weird habit. That's not folklore. Folklore is something that's 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.800 shared between a group. Yeah, and uh, those groups can 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:55.200 be like almost anything the I think them. That great 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.960 article you sent and that says neighborhoods, communities, and regions, 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:06.720 but also religious groups, families, occupations, gender like pretty much 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:11.120 any grouping, enthusiast, hobbyists, anything you can think of that 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.560 you can group more than two people together. It can 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.159 be a folk group exactly. You can have like a 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:20.640 Catholic dockyard worker who is also a member of an 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:26.760 RC playing club. Yeah, who also is a member of 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.520 a book club at the local library. Right, So that 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.039 one person is going to be a member of all 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.240 those different folk groups, and all those folk groups are 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:38.000 gonna write their own folklore, true it. Uh, that's yeah, 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:39.760 you're right. That's another good thing to point out is 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.479 you're not just in one group. You have you spanned many, 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:48.360 many groups. And for instance, I have family folklore. Uh, 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:53.039 we have probably occupational folklore, you know, the old podcaster 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:57.560 folklore for us and our colleagues. Uh, and my gender 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:01.720 and my age and uh religious affiliation growing up, like, 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.440 we all have many many groups and subgroups that we 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.320 fall into, right, and we get our information from that. Yeah. 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.760 One of the things that I think has been tricky 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:15.040 about defining folklore is that there's not it's not obvious 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:19.520 necessarily what folklore is for not at first blush, but 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.320 if you go and read some of the people who 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.920 study it. Um. The idea of folklore is that one 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.600 of the main things it does is it reinforces membership 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.520 in a group. It makes you feel special for being 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.120 part of that group, an insider um. And then it 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:41.000 also um reinforces the norms of that group. Like folklore 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.840 is based on basically norms, customs, traditions, things that the 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.400 members of the group have said. This is what you 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:51.360 know we identify with. Yeah, and not always too um, 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.520 as that teaching site points out, not always reinforcing those norms, 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:57.600 sometimes overturning those norms. Yeah. Like a good way to 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.280 overturn the norm is to take an existing norm and 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.720 turn it on its ear, because it makes it really 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.760 approachable to the other people in your folk group. They 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:09.320 understand what you're doing very clearly, and it gives them 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:13.040 a different perspective, right or seeing the traditional channels. Yeah, like, uh, 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.160 I think one example I saw somewhere was taking a 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.720 traditional folk song maybe and adding verses to it to 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:23.760 spend its meaning to the opposite, perhaps like Bob Dylan 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:29.560 he's famous for stealing things. Or Jimmy Page. Uh oh yeah. 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.080 Have you heard that song the Zeppelin or the Yesterday 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:36.000 Way to Heaven lawsuit? No? No, who whose song was it? Originally? 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.160 I can't remember the name. I mean, this is not news. 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.840 It's been around for a while, but um yeah, I 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.000 mean they've been sued. Uh. It was a group that 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:47.880 opened up for for Zeppelin on an early tour and 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:52.760 supposedly played this song, and I think Zeppelin has I 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:54.400 haven't looked at it up lately, but I think they 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.800 have defeated the suit. But when you hear the song, 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.160 you're like, oh, that sounds a little bit like the 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.320 opening bit to Stairway to Happen. So it was like 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.720 the musical the music. It wasn't like any of the 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:09.280 layer that that opening guitar strumming pattern, um uh was 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.680 pretty darn similar. But um, as any musician will tell you, 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.840 everybody steals. There's only so many variations of chords and 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.360 picking patterns that you can do. And uh, it's just 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.760 part of the rich tradition of music is to nick 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:27.080 things respectfully, not you know, not rightbusters, I want a 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.240 new drug kind of steeling. Yeah, I mean that's when 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.040 your lawsuits come up. Um, it's not just music that 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.520 there's that long tradition of stealing um or nicking or 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:39.840 whatever you want to euphemism. It's literature is very much 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:44.120 the same way. There's something like five or ten themes 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.720 and all of literature and everything else is just basically 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.080 a variation of them. And that's One of the things 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:54.080 that folklore uh are folk folklorists have learned through studying 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:57.960 folklore is that we humans share what can be called 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:03.480 basically a common imagination. That humans across time and space, um, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.960 all have a a like a a certain number of 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.120 slots of looking at the world. Certain things in the 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:15.720 world capture the human imagination in a similar way in 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.600 all different parts of the world, and we tend to 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:23.840 use similar explanations for them. So you'll have independently evolving 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:28.120 folklore among groups who've never met before, UM that seek 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:32.599 to explain or have a story about something that is 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.719 just kind of out there in the environment. Yeah, that's 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.800 a good point, um. One of the examples of that 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:42.000 is UH, in folklore stories are frogs and toads can 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:45.920 be found, and all kinds of old stories and all 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:50.280 cultures all over the world. That I mean, it's possible 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.679 too if you're close to one another, like uh, Korea 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:57.480 and China may have stories to overlap one another just 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:01.480 through a common geographical boundary. But stuff like frogs and 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.640 toads will pop up, you know, let's say in Europe 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:07.319 or medieval Europe or in Asia like places aren't even 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.000 close to one another where it's inexplicable basically, right, and 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:14.120 they'll share like a similar um personality or something in 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.520 the story. So like frogs and toads are commonly thought 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:21.880 of as shape shifting tricksters. Yeah, and I think, UM, 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.560 this article points out that that's probably because they go 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.600 from tadpole to frog or toad and they change themselves physically. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.120 So it's um, you know, the old dummies back in 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:37.000 the day, they would just use that obvious. Obviously they 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.480 can become human too, since they go from tadpole to 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.640 frog exactly like the frog prince. And you you mentioned 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:47.200 also UM shared regional characteristics that are most likely the 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.080 result of stories making it from one group to another 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.760 crossing borders. But among groups that are close together, and 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:59.559 UM that example you gave of East Asia, UM, Japan 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:04.400 and CRE Thailand, China, they all have UM. They the 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.400 idea that there's a rabbit in the moon and he's 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.800 using a mortar and pestle. And what that would be 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:11.880 is a motif. Like all of them have the shared 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.200 idea that there's a rabbit in the moon, right, But 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:18.120 then there's what are called variations of that motif. So 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:22.120 in Japan and Korea, the rabbits making mochi, which is 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.880 a sweet, squishy rice cake that often has like something 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:29.079 even sweeter injected in, like red bean sweetness. Right. Um, 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:33.240 in China, the rabbit is making medicine. In Thailand's husking 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:37.080 um rice. So you have variations on what the rabbit 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.360 is doing, but the motif is if you look up 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.040 at the moon, there's a rabbit doing something up there. Yeah, 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.480 and like we said, it's most likely because of a 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:48.960 shared border or just because simply people moving between those countries. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:53.760 So we'll talk about where folklore comes from. Friends, if 0:12:53.760 --> 0:13:12.520 you can believe it or not. Right after this, chuckers, 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.920 So we're back. We're talking folklore. We should also say 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:19.880 folklore is actually um a fairly recent word. It was 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:24.960 coined in eighteen forty six by a guy named William J. Toms. Yeah, 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:31.160 he was a um an early and tiquarian. He was 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:34.920 also very interested in studying um. What has now come 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.640 to be called folklore or folk life. We should point 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.560 out that's a modern term that people folklore is like 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:44.199 even more Yeah, because folklore has this connotation that um, 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:48.040 that it has to do with stories, world traditions or 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.679 even not true things because you've heard like, oh, that's 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.480 just folklore, like an old lives tale. Yeah, exactly. So 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:58.240 they've expanded it to include or to reflect how inclusive 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.079 it is by calling it folk life. But um William 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.240 Tom's came up with folklore and it was originally hyphenated 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:08.360 um and he was describing these stories that he would 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:12.280 go out into the countryside and collect from folk. Like 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:15.920 he published a book of like English rural stories that 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.920 included things like Robin Hood and Friar Talk and some 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.800 of the other stories that we have become disnified over 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.760 the years. This guy originally put down for the first 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:27.440 time on pen and paper and became one of the 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:31.520 early folklorest. Yeah, and didn't they call just anyone living 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.560 in rural areas. Weren't they just called folk? Which is 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.440 why we sort of associated as like being a bumpkin today. 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:39.200 But I use that word all the time in fact 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.360 on the Facebook while here, that's my most common way 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.880 of addressing the stuff you should know army is hey folks. Oh, 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.600 I know, it just sounds like chummy to me. Yeah, 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:51.280 very folks. Folk. See there you go, yeah, hey folks. 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:56.280 Uh So there are a bunch of innumerable innumerable groups 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.720 really that pass along folklore. Um, and they're called folk 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:03.840 group folk groups, but we can we can group them generally, 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:10.640 not folk groups like Peter Paul Mary, Yeah, but folk groups. Yeah. 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:12.720 I think I said it with the eldest, now, didn't 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.080 I maybe I like it. It's called the regional ad diction. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:18.960 People get all hung up on that stuff. You gotta 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:21.720 say this wrong. What's weird though, is like neither one 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.560 of us sound like Southerners. Yeah, not really, And I 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.360 mean like you were born here and you don't sound 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.239 like a Southerner. Yeah, I say, I have certain colloquialism, 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.560 so like, uh, have your picture made? Oh yeah, that's 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.360 sometimes I'll say, like you mash a button instead of 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.640 push a button. Yeah, And there's It's I think people 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.840 should embrace things like that regional dialect instead of getting 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:47.080 all hung up on the Queen's English or the King's English. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.960 See right there, Yeah, that's a that's regional. I imagine 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.560 either one. The prince is English. Um, it's that what 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.840 you're talking about is antithetical the globalization. Chuck. Oh really sure, 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.320 look at you regionalism, smarty fans. Well, I mean that's 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.520 that's counter to globalization. Globalization is turning the earth into 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.280 one large village with all these shared values and everything. 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.920 Regionalism is saying like, no, we'll just stay his pockets 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.040 of interacting groups that have our own our own values 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.640 and traditions and customs like that. I think it's on 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:20.120 the brain because I posted something today on words that 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:24.760 are mispronounced a lot and um, what what's up there? Oh? 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:29.440 I mean also like banal and uh. Dr Seuss supposed 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:34.360 supposedly pronounced his name is u so ice. Again, I 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.360 can't remember how he pronounced it, but it's just like 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.000 common words you're probably mispronouncing. And the was on there 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:46.720 And someone said, you guys always pronounced the wrong because supposedly, yeah, exactly, 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.880 supposedly there's a rule. Not supposedly, I think there is 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:54.560 a rule. You mean supposedly, Well, that wasn't on there. Um, 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:56.680 well that's a different that's just saying the wrong word. 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.280 But I think the you should say the in the 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:04.840 following noun is starts with a vowel, like the apple, 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:10.000 not the apple, but you could say you could say 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.800 the test because the apple almost sounds like it's th 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:16.359 h apostrophe apple. Yeah, And I get it, but that's apple. 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.320 It's just sort of a regional thing. I think in 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.040 the South you might hear more the m than the 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.800 snotty New Englanders. So I've never really paid that much 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.760 attention to that one. I haven't either, you know why, 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.840 because we are laid back, that's right. Um, all right, 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:34.600 So what we're talking about, we're talking about people who 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:38.320 spread the groups, the folk groups. One of the folk 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:42.040 groups though not Peter poll Mary one of his children. 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.360 And uh, this is a really big one because when 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.920 you think about going back to your childhood, everything like 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.760 the games like hide and see cop scotch. Uh. This 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.520 article pointed out how you decide who's it like that 0:17:55.680 --> 0:18:00.080 is super specific to your region. Um, but also not 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.360 just that the difference is regionally, but think about how 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.720 intricate some of the rules were some of those games, 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:12.080 like they were like really well thought out, intricate rules 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.080 that no one ever wrote down. They were just past. 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:19.600 Yeah you knew it from observation, imitation orally like somebody 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.280 told you, but people no one handed you a flyer 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.040 called like kick the can and you you know, well 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.040 one kid did, but we didn't know one like that kid. 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.440 He learned the hard way not to do that. What 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.000 was your How did you decide who was it? I'm 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.960 sure you probably had a go to well. The author 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.600 of this article mentions, bubble gum, bubble gum in a dish. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.120 I've never heard that. I have heard that. I love 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.800 that one. That the images it evokes, like how many 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.760 pieces do you wish? And you go one to three, five, 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.240 somebody says how many they want, and then you count 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.800 out between two or three people like seven, and then 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.080 whatever you land on that person, is it right? Usually 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.800 we did dirty dirty dish rag? Though, yes, I've never 0:18:57.880 --> 0:18:59.920 heard of that one. Either your mother and my mother 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.080 were hanging out clothes. My mother socked your mother in 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.280 the nose. Never heard it. What came after that? That's 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:10.479 misogynistic and violent something it really was. Something else happens 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.240 after that, and then it just suddenly goes to and 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.800 you are at you dirty dirty dish rag? You we did? 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.479 There were three that I remember very strongly. The one 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:25.280 potato to potato, Uh engine engine number nine, Yeah, going 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:27.240 down Chicago Line. If the train should doump the check, 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.119 do you want your money back? Oh? Yeah, I forgot that? 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:33.320 And then maybe so who maybe so wanted their money back. 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:35.440 Of course you want your money back of the train 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.280 de rails. Now that's the kid who just wanted to 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:40.840 get along. Uh and then engine and or no no? Uh? 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.520 Any meani is the other one? Sure? Any MENI money 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:45.800 mo kitch talking about them to the hollers. Let them go? 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:50.280 Any menie? Was that it? And then we also there 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:54.040 were variations on you know, usually counting out like I'm 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:58.040 making my two hands locked together. We would do like that, 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.359 and and then if you when you land it on them, 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:04.560 you would split them into two two fists and then 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:08.560 count each. So there were lots of variations. And uh, 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.959 I mean that goes down to the neighborhood you live in, 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.800 you know, like that specific. Yeah. We would also just 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.960 leg wrestle for domination and then that person would choose 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:22.640 who is it. I've never leg wrestled. It's not fun. Yeah, 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.040 I don't. I didn't even know what it is. Really, 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:26.640 it's exactly what it sounds like. I mean I think 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:28.320 I've seen it. You lay on the ground and lock 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:31.560 legs like there's no no other body parts involved, right, 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.199 I mean, you're just basically on your backup on your 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:38.520 elbows using your legs to do. Let's see objective basically 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.639 make the other person cry or stop shout to stop. 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.000 But it's not. There's not like a pinning or like 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.760 like an army. Yeah you can, you can pin, and 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.680 it's not. It's one of those things like, um, like 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:53.920 the Supreme Court's view of pornography, Like there's no obvious pin. 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:55.399 It's just you just kind of know what when you 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:57.919 see it, you know what I mean, Like you can 0:20:57.960 --> 0:20:59.520 tell you, oh, yeah, that's a pin, but I mean 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.520 you wouldn't. Again, there's no kid like handing out a 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:06.040 leg wrestling and you flyer that shows what counts as 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.080 a pin. You just kind of know what it pens. Alright. 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:13.200 Another folk group or families, very rich traditions within families 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:19.200 from everything, uh from family recipes to holiday traditions. Uh. 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.600 And I think, um, like whether or not you use 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:25.520 the the plastic tinsel on your tree is technically a 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.720 type of family folk lore. Yeah, Or whether you open 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.159 gifts on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day, or whether or 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:35.359 not you're you you hide your Easter baskets yeah, or 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.320 you burn your Christmas tree on Christmas Day, or your 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.000 family gets in a huge fight every Christmas Day. Sure, 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:46.480 that's another one rich traditions. Um family stories also make 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:50.960 up traditions. So like, um, my family story about my 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:56.040 aunt Squeaky taking shooting at President Ford that that would 0:21:56.119 --> 0:22:00.800 count as family folklore. That's very good. Uh uh So 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.920 within families it's another very um strong place where you 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:09.480 see variants and motifs. Um. Well yeah, across like all folklore, yeah, 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.360 but especially within families for me, uh or I think 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:15.680 within all families because like you know, your grandmother's recipe 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:19.840 for like I make the Thanksgiving dressing what other people 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:22.880 in the North called stuffing, we called dressing, and it's 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:25.040 my family recipe. That has to do with what he 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:28.040 uses the base though, doesn't it Like if it's corn based, 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:31.359 it would be dressing dressing. Yeah, and if it's like 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:34.000 bread based or wheat based, it would be stuffing. I 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:36.320 don't know who knows, but go ahead, sorry for interrupting now, 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:40.680 that's right, minds both though, like cornbread dressing also has 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:45.720 uh as as either biscuits or bread in it as well. 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:49.359 But that was my family recipe. My grandmother made it, 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:51.440 My mom made it, she taught me, and I put 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.360 my own spin on it as and that's my own motif, 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:58.439 that's your own variation on the motif. Very variational. So 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:00.920 you said the motif would be the dressing or stuffing, 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.640 and then what you do with the recipe would be 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:05.760 the variation of it. Yeah, and I mix it up 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.560 from year to year, even just kind of testing things out. Man, 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:13.920 you are a folk rebel, sure I am. But yeah, 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:18.119 so family recipes are very that's a common um. Family folklore, 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:22.399 family generated folklore. We got a lot of our indoctrination 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.639 to just folklore in general through families, and so it 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:30.520 was so important in some cultures, including some Native American 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:34.640 tribes and some West West African tribes, that they would 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:40.080 have a designated basically a folklore's what a folklore um 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:43.960 a modern folklore researcher would call a tradition bearer, who 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:46.480 like their job in this village or group is to 0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:50.240