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Speaker 2: This episode includes discussion of violence, sexual abuse, and suicidal
Speaker 2: ideation that while they almost definitely did not actually happen,
Speaker 2: maybe disturbing to some listeners.
Speaker 3: Could this be the man whose experiments with hypnotism were
Speaker 3: finally to become a legitimate part of science which today
Speaker 3: cures the mentally ill. Did you have a vision beyond
Speaker 3: your time, doctor Mesmer? Were you entirely a healer or
Speaker 3: entirely a fraud?
Speaker 4: I held a key it might have I'm not.
Speaker 3: Adored an unknown world.
Speaker 4: I could not think that those who fell up a
Speaker 4: man of science. I wand.
Speaker 3: They will find a footprint left by.
Speaker 4: Miss ms Jock.
Speaker 2: I'm Toby Ball and this is Strange Arrivals. Episode seven,
Speaker 2: The Case of Emma Woods, Part two. In the last episode,
Speaker 2: we began to look at the case of a woman
Speaker 2: who goes by the pseudonym Emma Woods. With the help
Speaker 2: of her therapist, Emma contacted alien abduction researcher David Jacobs,
Speaker 2: who taught history at Temple University in Philadelphia. Because of
Speaker 2: the distance between Philadelphia and New Zealand, where Emma lived,
Speaker 2: Jacobs began to conduct hypnotic regression therapy over the phone.
Speaker 2: He also taped the sessions and provided Emma with copies
Speaker 2: of these recordings. When Emma later listened to these tapes,
Speaker 2: she realized that her sessions raised many questions, not about
Speaker 2: her experiences, but about Jacob's methods and intent. Jacob's claimed
Speaker 2: to understand the purpose of these hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 2: alien abductions a plan to take control of the Earth
Speaker 2: with human alien hybrids. Aliens engaged in this plot were
Speaker 2: evil and violent, and because of the importance of creating
Speaker 2: hybrid children, their violence included sexual assault. This was the
Speaker 2: narrative that he believed, or at least he claimed he did,
Speaker 2: and it drove the direction of his work with Emma.
Speaker 2: As we look at the quote unquote research that Jacobs
Speaker 2: undertook with Emma, there are three things to keep in mind. First,
Speaker 2: the way he conducts these sessions, how he acts when
Speaker 2: Emma is under hypnosis. We have heard how critical certain
Speaker 2: guidelines are when questioning people who have had an experience.
Speaker 2: Guidelines such as not suggesting possible answers and allowing the
Speaker 2: respondent to speak without interruption. These guidelines are even more
Speaker 2: important when the subject is in a hypnotic state and
Speaker 2: especially prone to suggestion. And in the case of people
Speaker 2: seeking out researchers like David Jacobs or John Mack or
Speaker 2: Bud Hopkins, they're beginning with a set of assumptions about
Speaker 2: the nature of their experiences.
Speaker 5: These people who find these hypnotists, they're already in a
Speaker 5: state of belief. They already believe in aliens, they believe
Speaker 5: in UFOs, they believe in the potential for being aliens.
Speaker 2: Linguist researcher and host of the Monster Talk podcast Karen Stalls.
Speaker 5: Now, so you have that as a kind of foundation
Speaker 5: for this belief. But when these people are put into.
Speaker 6: A state of hypnosis is very dangerous because the person
Speaker 6: doing the hypnosis can actually, instead of recovering memories, can
Speaker 6: create false memories, basically remembering an event that didn't take place.
Speaker 2: The third thing is how when he ignores these guidelines,
Speaker 2: Jacobs is working toward a narrative that supports his view
Speaker 2: of the abduction issue. Remember, Jacobs has written books about
Speaker 2: the threat posed by aliens, who he believes are trying
Speaker 2: to control humanity. A major part of this plot is
Speaker 2: the creation, through sexual relations between humans and aliens of hybrids.
Speaker 2: This narrative was present from the very start of Jacob's
Speaker 2: work with Emma.
Speaker 1: He started with the kind of sexual assault, the sexual
Speaker 1: procedures right from my first hypnos descision.
Speaker 2: Sexual assault would be a recurring theme throughout her work
Speaker 2: with Jacobs. Emma graciously allowed me to use some of
Speaker 2: the recordings of her sessions with Jacobs. This particular recording
Speaker 2: is not from her first session, but gives a sense
Speaker 2: of the tenor of the sexual assault content. You will
Speaker 2: also notice Jacob's introduction of other people's stories into the
Speaker 2: hypnosis session.
Speaker 7: There have been episodes of one of the women I
Speaker 7: worked with have of pure sexual assault and sexual assault
Speaker 7: from say, let's sexually three them.
Speaker 4: I once.
Speaker 7: And it is as absolutely pure sexual so not that
Speaker 7: you remembered anything next day. But the way he was
Speaker 7: described was was fairly.
Speaker 4: You can just tell these guys didn't care what they
Speaker 4: did to this.
Speaker 8: Woman because they she was unier freaking anyway, so they
Speaker 8: could do anything you want to do her, and they did,
Speaker 8: you know, uh, and and.
Speaker 7: That was that was that was a whole big deal.
Speaker 7: And I've heard that from from from several people.
Speaker 2: So here, Jacobs introduced a story of hybrid sexual violence
Speaker 2: to Emma while she was in a highly suggestible state
Speaker 2: of hypnosis. Clearly, introducing any third party story to a
Speaker 2: subject in this state undercuts a researcher's ability to get
Speaker 2: an uninfluenced account. To introduce a story as violent as
Speaker 2: this one is troubling behavior. And it was continual, and
Speaker 2: as their sessions progressed, Jacobs began to suggest again through
Speaker 2: other people's stories that hybrid violence against abductees took many forms.
Speaker 1: It kind of progressed into a lot of violence that
Speaker 1: he told me about one of his other subjects. She
Speaker 1: uses a pseudent in Elizabeth about how khybrids had thritten
Speaker 1: to sexually assault her child and her husband was going
Speaker 1: to strangle her children and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: They had done a lot of sexual assemination. They'd shown
Speaker 4: her around the room bit they brought out her daughter
Speaker 4: and said they'd be having sex with her too, and
Speaker 4: that sort.
Speaker 8: Of stuff, And they actually brought her daughter out of
Speaker 8: the bedroom, saw out and.
Speaker 4: You know that mess sort of thing.
Speaker 9: They put her mind.
Speaker 8: That I would be armed and then I would be
Speaker 8: in fact, killed, and they.
Speaker 4: Would just go ahead and kill me and someone or
Speaker 4: me kill myself.
Speaker 9: And they were fairly heavy duty, fairly heavy duty weather.
Speaker 10: Because of protecting this guy.
Speaker 2: This time, this woman, Elizabeth has a larger role to
Speaker 2: play in Emma's story, which we will get to later
Speaker 2: in this episode. In the meantime, though, Jacob's behavior during
Speaker 2: the hypnosis sessions continued in directions that were both weird
Speaker 2: and ethically questionable. It begins with Jacob's pressing Emma for
Speaker 2: details about what he believes to be a sexual encounter.
Speaker 1: He at one point asked me to He said that
Speaker 1: he wanted to get of my unwashed Nicholas my underpants
Speaker 1: so that he could test them for hybrid DNA, and
Speaker 1: he asked me to send him my underpants and then
Speaker 1: not remember doing it.
Speaker 9: You're laying on the bed with your shoes off and
Speaker 9: your past program.
Speaker 4: Yea, so none of them have sp sexual study editor
Speaker 4: from I wrong. Okay, now what are you wanting? Underpants? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Did you wash the underpants? Probably if you can know
Speaker 4: it was yesterday, I can have a look. I have
Speaker 4: a look.
Speaker 9: Put in the plastic bag if you find the ones.
Speaker 9: If there's are going to be intercourse involved here. They're
Speaker 9: going to have to take advantage of the station. Okay,
Speaker 9: well let's find that if there is.
Speaker 2: First, they spend some time discussing the appearance of the
Speaker 2: person that Emma had sex with, the implication being that
Speaker 2: he was a highbred. Then comes this.
Speaker 4: Part basically on day on top of you. In other words, yeah,
Speaker 4: well if you is.
Speaker 9: The new hands, without even saying about it, just put
Speaker 9: them in a plastic bag, put him in an envelope.
Speaker 4: Then just sam off to me totally greely appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Do not even think about it, just do it automatically. Yeah,
Speaker 4: go fus, no mess, Yeah.
Speaker 11: Researcher Jack Brewer, he says, find them, drop him in
Speaker 11: a plastic bag, no fuss, no, must mail them off
Speaker 11: to me, and adds, don't think anything about it, don't
Speaker 11: give it another thought, And at the end of the
Speaker 11: session even gives her instructions to not remember this specific
Speaker 11: session and counts her down backwards. And it was something
Speaker 11: he would call a memory block. We're gonna put the
Speaker 11: memory block on it. I won't spend about what all
Speaker 11: that's about. Again, I think some of it, it's obviously concerning.
Speaker 11: At best, we would have to assume he lost his mind.
Speaker 2: Look, there's two things going on here. First, Jacobs wants
Speaker 2: Emma to send him her unwashed underwear. That is strange
Speaker 2: and troubling. Jacobs can claim that he wants to recover
Speaker 2: any DNA that might be found on them, but why
Speaker 2: tell her to forget she's done it? What purpose does
Speaker 2: that serve if his interest in them is for his research.
Speaker 2: I reached out to David Jacobs several times to get
Speaker 2: his response to these allegations, but he never replied. He has, however,
Speaker 2: written a long rebuttal to Emma's assertions. We will look
Speaker 2: at some of these points in the next episode. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Jacobs continued his strange behavior in the tapes. He seems
Speaker 2: fixated on his belief that hybrids are having sexual relations
Speaker 2: with Emma. His advice on how to address this situation
Speaker 2: is probably not what you'd expect.
Speaker 1: He asked me to war if he could send me
Speaker 1: a chastity belt.
Speaker 4: You know, years ago, maybe I told you this.
Speaker 12: I had this idea of buying personal I was sort
Speaker 12: of with a chastity belt.
Speaker 4: Maybe this would be the time they get one. They
Speaker 4: can't take it off.
Speaker 12: It's got a little lock and a key.
Speaker 4: And where I with.
Speaker 12: A vaginal opening is it's got a couple of nails
Speaker 12: sticking across. It's a dead stop, or no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: Jacobs talks about using a chastity belt with a previous
Speaker 2: subject and thinks that it might, as he puts it.
Speaker 12: Sort of throw a cake into their plans. It's not
Speaker 12: like you're totally accessible at all times.
Speaker 4: It makes them wor little harder.
Speaker 12: I remember seeing something they had some maybe they still
Speaker 12: had in Philadelphia. This is so many years ago. I
Speaker 12: don't even know they have these sex shops, you know.
Speaker 12: And I went into one that specialized in bondage dominance,
Speaker 12: place that I frequented quite often. And but I was
Speaker 12: looking for the one thing. I was looking for chastity belts.
Speaker 12: And they had all these dungeon type whips and chains
Speaker 12: and this, and I says, and here was that they
Speaker 12: had a chastity belt in there. Yeah, so there's that's
Speaker 12: that's something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it might be worth a try.
Speaker 2: So Jacob's plan for Emma is to wear a chastity belt, which, well,
Speaker 2: it won't stop these violent and sadistic aliens, will, as
Speaker 2: he says, piss him off. Karen stalls.
Speaker 13: Now, so the requests that he made, we're talking about
Speaker 13: unprofessional behavior, but how he continually talked about personal matters
Speaker 13: and was asking her to send through her underpants, so
Speaker 13: that I'm just wondering what he planned to do with those,
Speaker 13: How was he going to test those or very suspicious?
Speaker 13: And then the whole chastity belt narratives and his obsession
Speaker 13: with alien reproduction.
Speaker 2: This behavior brings up other issues as well, such as
Speaker 2: how much Jacobs himself believes the narrative he is feeding Emma.
Speaker 14: Well, the obvious sexual stuff is in question, but also
Speaker 14: how serious is he about all of this where he thinks, like,
Speaker 14: I know, why don't I anger these alien hybrids.
Speaker 2: This is Jeremy Vaney who we heard from in the
Speaker 2: previous episode.
Speaker 14: My name is Jeremy Vany.
Speaker 15: I am an experiencer of high strangeness. Let's put that
Speaker 15: in quote votes and I've written about and podcasted about
Speaker 15: that type of thing with a heavy concentration on quote
Speaker 15: unquote alien abduction and alien UFO phenomena for far too
Speaker 15: many years now.
Speaker 2: On the suggestion of wearing a chastity belt, Jeremy has
Speaker 2: this to say.
Speaker 14: That sounds good. Won't stop them, but it'll upset them.
Speaker 14: I mean, there really is the weird blurring of the
Speaker 14: line where you don't quite know what he believes and
Speaker 14: what he doesn't, except I think you can see in
Speaker 14: his actions afterward.
Speaker 2: So in his hypnosis sessions, Jacobs has walked Emma through
Speaker 2: a narrative of violence, particularly sexual violence, and his real
Speaker 2: world actions with her were suspect both logically and ethically.
Speaker 2: And there was another dimension to this story, one that
Speaker 2: brought David jacobs beliefs about aliens and hybrids into the
Speaker 2: real world. After the break, strange arrivals will return in
Speaker 2: a moment. David Jacob's hypnosis sessions with Emma Woods were
Speaker 2: not the only way he involved her in his alien
Speaker 2: abduction narrative. In addition to these one on one sessions,
Speaker 2: Jacobs brought Emma into a melodrama that he created involving
Speaker 2: hostile aliens and hybrids and two other patients of his,
Speaker 2: a woman with the pseudonym Elizabeth and a man going
Speaker 2: by the name Brian Reid. Let me quickly clarify that
Speaker 2: when I say that Jacobs created this melodrama, I mean
Speaker 2: I don't believe that there actually were any aliens or
Speaker 2: hybrids interacting with these people in the real world. Jacobs
Speaker 2: may not have been the only person here making things up,
Speaker 2: but he was the main driver of the narrative that
Speaker 2: emerged back to Elizabeth and Brian. Both were patients of Jacobs.
Speaker 2: Brian's mother was also a patient of Jacob's. Elizabeth played
Speaker 2: the bigger role in this part of the story, with
Speaker 2: Brian coming in later. A key component of this was
Speaker 2: a move further away from the in person hypnosis session,
Speaker 2: further even than over the phone.
Speaker 11: They took the bad idea of regressive hypnosis in person,
Speaker 11: where you essentially just close your eyes and tell the
Speaker 11: story the hypnotist wants to hear. They took that and
Speaker 11: evolved it to doing it by phone, because why bother
Speaker 11: to get together when you can just tell me this
Speaker 11: story over the phone. And then they took that and said,
Speaker 11: let's just text.
Speaker 2: Just to be clear, Jacobs decided that it was possible
Speaker 2: and fine to conduct hypnosis sessions through techx messages. This
Speaker 2: is very strange.
Speaker 11: And one of the things that was happening with Elizabeth
Speaker 11: is she was claiming by text that the hybrids, the
Speaker 11: et human hybrids, would come in her home render her
Speaker 11: helpless and put this mind control thing on her where
Speaker 11: they control her actions and she can't remember it later.
Speaker 11: And then they would text with whoever she had been
Speaker 11: texting with, and they came in at that point because
Speaker 11: she was texting about her interactions with the hybrids. They
Speaker 11: wanted to put a stop to it and threaten David
Speaker 11: Jacobs by text that don't do this anymore.
Speaker 2: So Elizabeth, who communicated through text during these hypnosis sessions,
Speaker 2: claimed that hybrids were breaking into our home, taking control
Speaker 2: of her body and texting directly with Jacob's. On the
Speaker 2: face of it, this would seem to warrant a little skepticism,
Speaker 2: but that was not the case.
Speaker 1: Then he told me that he was having serious problems
Speaker 1: with Elizabeth, that her hybrids I think had started threatening
Speaker 1: him or he was very afraid of them. And every
Speaker 1: night he went on to instant messenger, and he spent
Speaker 1: time chatting to Elizabeth an instant messenger, and I think
Speaker 1: he did it to keep her in the loop, the
Speaker 1: same way that he kept emailing me to keep me
Speaker 1: in the loop. And then one time she said to
Speaker 1: him that she had lied to him about everything and
Speaker 1: she was a bad person and she was sorry and goodbye,
Speaker 1: and he didn't accept that, and he's basically it came
Speaker 1: about that the hybrids had made her say that.
Speaker 2: This seems to me as though it's probably a situation
Speaker 2: where Elizabeth, for whatever reason, admitted that she had been
Speaker 2: untruthful in some instances. She then regretted her admission and
Speaker 2: used the existing story of being controlled by hybrids to
Speaker 2: explain the confession away. Let's take a second because this
Speaker 2: gets a little complicated, and it's important to keep track
Speaker 2: of what is going on, how Jacobs is responding to it,
Speaker 2: and what it all might mean. Earlier in the episode,
Speaker 2: we heard a piece of audio where Jacobs talks to
Speaker 2: Emma about how the hybrids or aliens have treated Elizabeth.
Speaker 8: You hadn't hear they We have done a lot of
Speaker 8: sexual ascommodation. They've thrown her around the realm bitch. They
Speaker 8: brought out her daughter and head that they could be
Speaker 8: having sex with her too, and that.
Speaker 4: Sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth now claimed that her house was being in by
Speaker 2: hybrids who took control of her. If you believe that
Speaker 2: these creatures are in fact real, that Elizabeth is telling
Speaker 2: the truth, this clearly seems like a situation where Elizabeth
Speaker 2: and her family are in real danger? What does Jacobs
Speaker 2: do nothing? Jack Brewer interviewed Jacobs and asked him why
Speaker 2: he didn't try to intervene or do something to help her.
Speaker 11: I spoke to him about that. I interviewed him in person,
Speaker 11: and one of the things I asked him about was
Speaker 11: if he believed that to be true. And if so, like,
Speaker 11: if you literally believe there is someone going to a
Speaker 11: woman's house claiming to be a hybrid alien and sexually
Speaker 11: assaulting her, why would you not be calling law enforcement?
Speaker 11: Like wouldn't the rational thing to be that these people
Speaker 11: claiming to be aliens aren't and that this is sexual
Speaker 11: assault or something like that? Like, how can you not
Speaker 11: be conducting some type of investigation, like some forensic investigation,
Speaker 11: something other than instant messaging with the lady and hypnosis
Speaker 11: by phone and things like that.
Speaker 2: In other words, whether you believe there were hybrids or
Speaker 2: aliens or not, you were hearing from Elizabeth that some
Speaker 2: beings maybe humans, were breaking into her house, and as
Speaker 2: he had heard from previous hypnosis sessions, physically and sexually
Speaker 2: assaulting her, why wouldn't Jacobs do something?
Speaker 11: His response to that was so baffling. He framed it
Speaker 11: as if I was suggesting he'd drive to her home
Speaker 11: and hide and watch, which I of course was not.
Speaker 11: And his response to me was, she keeps the curtains
Speaker 11: drawn anyway, it would take me like an hour and
Speaker 11: a half to get there by car, and I wouldn't
Speaker 11: be able to see in the windows.
Speaker 1: And I thought that.
Speaker 11: Was just such a bizarre response. And of course he
Speaker 11: doesn't even address why you don't call LAE enforcement or something.
Speaker 2: So while Jacobs doesn't seem overly concerned about Elizabeth, he
Speaker 2: was presumably becoming more stressed and afraid of the Hybrid's
Speaker 2: belligerence towards his subjects in himself, he came up with
Speaker 2: a plan to throw them off the scent.
Speaker 1: The hybrids came on the Instant Messenger and started talking
Speaker 1: to him an instant Messenger, and the hybrid was pretending
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: Her, the her in this case being Elizabeth.
Speaker 1: And then he realized it was a hybrid, and then
Speaker 1: he pretended to the hybrid that he was not investigating
Speaker 1: the alien program that he called it, but that he
Speaker 1: was really a space and MPD multiple personality disorder, and
Speaker 1: that she had multiple personality disorder and that's what he
Speaker 1: was interested in, and by doing that, the aliens would think, oh,
Speaker 1: they were safe, He's not investigating them, and they would
Speaker 1: not go after him.
Speaker 2: So Jacob's plan was to try to convince the hybrids
Speaker 2: that he was not investigating alien abductions, but in fact
Speaker 2: doing research on multiple personality disorder despite all that had
Speaker 2: come before. This he seemed to think would throw them
Speaker 2: off the trail, and he extended this ploy to his
Speaker 2: work with Emma, though with a crucial difference. You'll hear
Speaker 2: the acronyms MPD and MD, and these both refer to
Speaker 2: multiple personality disorder, which is now known as dissociative identity
Speaker 2: disorder and is generally considered to be extremely rare.
Speaker 1: I had a hypnosis session with him very soon after
Speaker 1: he'd started having these instant messaging conversations with Elizabeth hybrids.
Speaker 1: And then in that hypnosis session, while I was hypnotized,
Speaker 1: he implanted hypnotic suggestions in me that I had multiple
Speaker 1: personality disorder.
Speaker 10: My diagnosis is just muscle personality disorder and used to
Speaker 10: take us for it. Lots of cases of MPD and
Speaker 10: this absolutely is the MDD profile make me my professal diagnosis, therefore,
Speaker 10: is muscle personality disorder. I am studying it. I am
Speaker 10: writing a book about it. That is my next book.
Speaker 10: I feel it the whole sort of alien business is
Speaker 10: not a matter of muscle personality disorder. It's a much
Speaker 10: more widespread phenomena.
Speaker 4: Than people think. Lots of people.
Speaker 10: Working around it is nothing else a problem, and you
Speaker 10: are unfortunately suffering from.
Speaker 4: And opinion is that Joys is a classic case.
Speaker 2: He continues in this vein for a minute and a
Speaker 2: half before ending the session.
Speaker 10: And this is where my studies are leading. My studies
Speaker 10: are going directly to possible personality disorder. And that's all
Speaker 10: there is to it. Howls have to want to bring
Speaker 10: you ont of this, and we'll talk about mpdia a
Speaker 10: little bit more.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: What you've just heard is Jacob's giving Emma a hypnotic
Speaker 2: suggestion that she had multiple personality disorder. He is trying
Speaker 2: to play the part of a therapist, so he claims
Speaker 2: a professional opinion that he has no standing to actually make.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he would claim that he's not actually making
Speaker 2: a diagnosis, but engaging in a ruse to throw off
Speaker 2: the hybrids. But the problematic nature of convincing someone under
Speaker 2: hypnosis that they have a very serious mental illness is
Speaker 2: pretty self apparent.
Speaker 11: It's hard again to adequately emphasize the extent that by definition,
Speaker 11: this is not scientific investigation. I don't even know how
Speaker 11: to say it without like employing sarcasm or something. How
Speaker 11: egregiously poor this behavior is just stunningly inept and competent
Speaker 11: disregarding the I mean, if we're to believe this man
Speaker 11: and take him at face value, he was indirectly suggesting
Speaker 11: the mental health and community status of Emma Woods was
Speaker 11: insignificant compared to his research. And just have her tell
Speaker 11: everybody she has MPD so everybody'll think that there's some
Speaker 11: person studying or for MPD. It is difficult too to
Speaker 11: transfer this narrative in a short conversation of how convoluted
Speaker 11: and irrational it became.
Speaker 14: I mean, if you believe that David Jacobs believes what
Speaker 14: he's saying, there's no good scenario here. Either David Jacobs
Speaker 14: knows he's lying or he's delusional. And if he's delusional,
Speaker 14: then that bit of hypnosis makes a lot of sense
Speaker 14: because essentially he put her on a hypnosis, right. He
Speaker 14: tried to convincerve she had multiple personality disorder, and that's
Speaker 14: what he's going to write about. That's what he's going
Speaker 14: to say publicly, so that when the aliens read her mind,
Speaker 14: they'll read that about him. And he's essentially throwing her
Speaker 14: under the bus, so that these aliens don't come after him,
Speaker 14: right Like, that's the best case scenario with David Jacobs
Speaker 14: is that he just puts someone under hypnosis try to
Speaker 14: convince them that they had multiple personality disorder, to throw
Speaker 14: off the alien who would read her mind and realize
Speaker 14: that's what he thought. Things.
Speaker 2: Clearly, there is some strange logic working here. Jacobs wants
Speaker 2: Emma to believe that he is conducting multiple personality disorder research,
Speaker 2: so that when the hybrids read her mind, they will
Speaker 2: think that is what Jacobs is doing. He is not
Speaker 2: doing abduction research, and this will mean that they will
Speaker 2: be less interested in him. Meanwhile, Emma is left to
Speaker 2: believe that she actually has or is suspected to have
Speaker 2: multiple personality disorder.
Speaker 1: Afterwards, he told me that I had to write emails
Speaker 1: to him as though I had multiple personality disorder. I
Speaker 1: didn't remember that he had put those hypnotic suggestions of
Speaker 1: MPD in my mind, I did remember that he had
Speaker 1: asked me to write emails or so I had MPD,
Speaker 1: And it was only much louder when I went back
Speaker 1: and listened to my had no secessions and I heard
Speaker 1: him doing it. That was the first time I realized
Speaker 1: that he had done it.
Speaker 2: About where this started with Emma with thoughts that she
Speaker 2: had experienced paranormal events during her lifetime. Then, after being
Speaker 2: introduced to David Jacobs, she is thrust into a strange
Speaker 2: world where violent aliens and hybrids sexually assault women in
Speaker 2: order to repopulate in Earth that they can control. She
Speaker 2: is told that she is also being assaulted and asked
Speaker 2: to send underwear in the hope of recovering alien DNA.
Speaker 2: She's encouraged to wear a chastity belt. She finds out
Speaker 2: that another of Jacob's patients is being controlled by hybrids
Speaker 2: and is sending threatening texts to Jacob's Much of this
Speaker 2: information is being introduced to her while she is in
Speaker 2: a highly suggestible state of hypnosis. Finally, Jacob suggests to
Speaker 2: her while she is hypnotized that she has a serious
Speaker 2: mental illness that she does not actually have. But it's
Speaker 2: not over how Emma's work with Jacob's ended, and Jacob's
Speaker 2: response to Emma's class next time on Strange Arrivals. Strange
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