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Speaker 2: This episode includes discussion of violence, sexual abuse, and suicidal

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Speaker 2: ideation that while they almost definitely did not actually happen,

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Speaker 3: Could this be the man whose experiments with hypnotism were

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Speaker 3: finally to become a legitimate part of science which today

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Speaker 3: cures the mentally ill. Did you have a vision beyond

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Speaker 3: your time, doctor Mesmer? Were you entirely a healer or

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Speaker 3: entirely a fraud?

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Speaker 4: I held a key it might have I'm not.

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Speaker 3: Adored an unknown world.

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Speaker 4: I could not think that those who fell up a

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Speaker 4: man of science. I wand.

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Speaker 3: They will find a footprint left by.

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Speaker 4: Miss ms Jock.

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Speaker 2: I'm Toby Ball and this is Strange Arrivals. Episode seven,

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Speaker 2: The Case of Emma Woods, Part two. In the last episode,

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Speaker 2: we began to look at the case of a woman

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Speaker 2: who goes by the pseudonym Emma Woods. With the help

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Speaker 2: of her therapist, Emma contacted alien abduction researcher David Jacobs,

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Speaker 2: who taught history at Temple University in Philadelphia. Because of

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Speaker 2: the distance between Philadelphia and New Zealand, where Emma lived,

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Speaker 2: Jacobs began to conduct hypnotic regression therapy over the phone.

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Speaker 2: He also taped the sessions and provided Emma with copies

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Speaker 2: of these recordings. When Emma later listened to these tapes,

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Speaker 2: she realized that her sessions raised many questions, not about

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Speaker 2: her experiences, but about Jacob's methods and intent. Jacob's claimed

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Speaker 2: to understand the purpose of these hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 2: alien abductions a plan to take control of the Earth

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Speaker 2: with human alien hybrids. Aliens engaged in this plot were

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Speaker 2: evil and violent, and because of the importance of creating

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Speaker 2: hybrid children, their violence included sexual assault. This was the

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Speaker 2: narrative that he believed, or at least he claimed he did,

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Speaker 2: As we look at the quote unquote research that Jacobs

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Speaker 2: the way he conducts these sessions, how he acts when

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Speaker 2: Emma is under hypnosis. We have heard how critical certain

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Speaker 2: Guidelines such as not suggesting possible answers and allowing the

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Speaker 2: important when the subject is in a hypnotic state and

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Speaker 2: especially prone to suggestion. And in the case of people

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Speaker 2: seeking out researchers like David Jacobs or John Mack or

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Speaker 2: Bud Hopkins, they're beginning with a set of assumptions about

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Speaker 5: These people who find these hypnotists, they're already in a

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Speaker 5: state of belief. They already believe in aliens, they believe

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Speaker 2: Linguist researcher and host of the Monster Talk podcast Karen Stalls.

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Speaker 5: Now, so you have that as a kind of foundation

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Speaker 6: A state of hypnosis is very dangerous because the person

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Speaker 2: The third thing is how when he ignores these guidelines,

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Speaker 2: This narrative was present from the very start of Jacob's

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Speaker 1: He started with the kind of sexual assault, the sexual

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Speaker 7: There have been episodes of one of the women I

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Speaker 2: So here, Jacobs introduced a story of hybrid sexual violence

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Speaker 1: It kind of progressed into a lot of violence that

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Speaker 9: And they were fairly heavy duty, fairly heavy duty weather.

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Speaker 2: This time, this woman, Elizabeth has a larger role to

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Speaker 1: He at one point asked me to He said that

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Speaker 1: he wanted to get of my unwashed Nicholas my underpants

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Speaker 4: Yea, so none of them have sp sexual study editor

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Speaker 9: Put in the plastic bag if you find the ones.

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Speaker 9: If there's are going to be intercourse involved here. They're

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Speaker 2: First, they spend some time discussing the appearance of the

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Speaker 4: Part basically on day on top of you. In other words, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Then just sam off to me totally greely appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Look, there's two things going on here. First, Jacobs wants

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Speaker 2: I reached out to David Jacobs several times to get

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Speaker 2: So Jacob's plan for Emma is to wear a chastity belt, which, well,

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Speaker 13: Now, so the requests that he made, we're talking about

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Speaker 13: unprofessional behavior, but how he continually talked about personal matters

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Speaker 2: This behavior brings up other issues as well, such as

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Speaker 14: Well, the obvious sexual stuff is in question, but also

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Speaker 2: This is Jeremy Vaney who we heard from in the

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Speaker 14: My name is Jeremy Vany.

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Speaker 15: I am an experiencer of high strangeness. Let's put that

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Speaker 2: So in his hypnosis sessions, Jacobs has walked Emma through

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Speaker 1: I had a hypnosis session with him very soon after

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Speaker 2: What you've just heard is Jacob's giving Emma a hypnotic

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Speaker 2: Clearly, there is some strange logic working here. Jacobs wants

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Speaker 2: had experienced paranormal events during her lifetime. Then, after being

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Speaker 2: introduced to David Jacobs, she is thrust into a strange

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Speaker 2: world where violent aliens and hybrids sexually assault women in

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Speaker 2: order to repopulate in Earth that they can control. She

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Speaker 2: She's encouraged to wear a chastity belt. She finds out

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Speaker 2: that another of Jacob's patients is being controlled by hybrids

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Speaker 2: and is sending threatening texts to Jacob's Much of this

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Speaker 2: information is being introduced to her while she is in

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Speaker 2: a highly suggestible state of hypnosis. Finally, Jacob suggests to

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Speaker 2: her while she is hypnotized that she has a serious

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Speaker 2: mental illness that she does not actually have. But it's

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Speaker 2: not over how Emma's work with Jacob's ended, and Jacob's

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Speaker 2: response to Emma's class next time on Strange Arrivals. Strange

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Speaker 2: from Aaron Manky.

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Speaker 9: This episode was written and hosted by Toby Ball and

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Speaker 9: produced by rima Il Kayali.

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Speaker 4: Jesse Funk, and Noami Griffin, with executive producers Alexander Williams,

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Speaker 4: Matt Frederick, and Aaron Mankey, and supervising producer Josh Thame.

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