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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all, this is Native lampod It is episode
Speaker 1: twenty nine. It's flying by, just like these days as
Speaker 1: we get closer and closer to the election. Frankly, it
Speaker 1: was the best of times, it was the worst of times,
Speaker 1: and it is, of course the story of our lives.
Speaker 1: Among us, there is equal parts celebration and grief. There
Speaker 1: are many who are so excited about Pamala Harris's ascension
Speaker 1: to the top of the ticket, and there are still
Speaker 1: so many among us who are grieving the loss and
Speaker 1: the tragic murder of Sonya Massey. And so today we'll
Speaker 1: talk about both of those things and everything in between.
Speaker 1: We welcome you home. We asked for just a brief
Speaker 1: moment of silence to honor Sonya Massey. So here we are.
Speaker 1: We are on the other side of Joe Biden stepping
Speaker 1: down from running for president. He decided that he would
Speaker 1: not be running this amiss, having COVID being quarantined in
Speaker 1: Delaware and passing the torch to Kamala Harris as he
Speaker 1: promised to do four years ago. To be clear, So
Speaker 1: I want to hear y'all way in on all the things.
Speaker 1: A lot can change in a week.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: We were just here talking about what we really felt
Speaker 1: about folks pushing Joe Biden telling him that it was
Speaker 1: time to go. Andrew, you had some strong thoughts. I
Speaker 1: had some strong thoughts. Tiff was feeling torn both ways.
Speaker 1: Where do y'all stand now?
Speaker 3: Well, what's up?
Speaker 6: Said?
Speaker 3: Yes, because the ground, the ground has shifted and Tiffany,
Speaker 3: you're looking great over there, Angela looking great. Is good
Speaker 3: to be back with y'all, especially after last week where
Speaker 3: we let all of our thoughts come unfettered, unchecked. It
Speaker 3: was the real and honestly, I know that we all
Speaker 3: work every week to try to make sure that we're
Speaker 3: bringing our full selves. But Angela, the conversation that Tiff
Speaker 3: helped facilitate for us really put us in everybody's living room,
Speaker 3: because it's the fight that everybody seems to be having
Speaker 3: with a close relative, a husband or a spouse, child,
Speaker 3: a relative of any sort. And I will tell you
Speaker 3: this much have my family with you and half of
Speaker 3: them with me, but at this point, every one of
Speaker 3: them is thrilled, excited that Kamala Harris is the VP choice.
Speaker 3: And I'm talking about people who used to be critics
Speaker 3: the day before turned completely solidly behind her. It's been
Speaker 3: pretty pretty crazy to watch.
Speaker 7: I think it's crazy that, you know, we recorded this
Speaker 7: podcast and then an assassination attempt on the former president
Speaker 7: of the United States was such a huge story and
Speaker 7: by the weekend, by Sunday, that was now old news.
Speaker 7: Then you know, you had this crazy shift in politics
Speaker 7: which happens, as we all know, when Vice President Harris
Speaker 7: became the front runner and at the top of the ticket.
Speaker 7: And I have to say, I think, you know, prior
Speaker 7: to that, I felt rather apathetic. We talked about that
Speaker 7: on the last episode and something about seeing her take
Speaker 7: the helm. I've shared a stage with her before. Angela.
Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure you shared a stage with her before. Andrew,
Speaker 7: you have a relationship with her. It's interesting how this happened.
Speaker 7: And I wonder was there any other way a black
Speaker 7: woman was going to be on the top of the
Speaker 7: ticket were it not for this confluence of tragedy and
Speaker 7: absolute desperation. And I'll take us back to two thousand
Speaker 7: and eight when Obama became the nominee. Then it was
Speaker 7: also ann obscene level of angst and circumstance happening. Coming
Speaker 7: off the George W. Bush presidency. The country was in
Speaker 7: a rapid decline, financially and people were desperate, and it's like, well,
Speaker 7: let's just had a black guy try it. This time,
Speaker 7: we're in the same position. So, you know, a lot
Speaker 7: of people have been talking about well, you know, I
Speaker 7: wonder if she can win and if I see one
Speaker 7: more pull and pull my hair out and scream. I
Speaker 7: think we have to prepare for the shifting demographics in
Speaker 7: this country and start voting with our conviction and not
Speaker 7: looking to see who might white folks support. Vote with
Speaker 7: your conviction. When we were in a group chat and
Speaker 7: then somebody kept saying, oh, but will the public feel this?
Speaker 7: Will the public feel this way? And one of our
Speaker 7: good friends, Aaron Haynes with the Nineteenth who does great work,
Speaker 7: she said, you you are the public. And I think
Speaker 7: that's such an important reminder for the folks tuning in today.
Speaker 7: You are the public. And she will define herself in
Speaker 7: her own way. Having been the Vice pre is it
Speaker 7: in this administration. This will be a time for her
Speaker 7: distinct to distinguish herself and the differences between she and
Speaker 7: President Biden. So I you know, I do not feel
Speaker 7: as apathetic. I feel encouraged, I feel hopeful. I also
Speaker 7: feel nervous because as we you know, applow forward to November.
Speaker 7: I am reminded that a significant amount of these people
Speaker 7: have already decided that election results don't matter, that they
Speaker 7: just simply will not accept a result that they don't like.
Speaker 7: So I think this wind has to be a decisive
Speaker 7: win for her. I want to know from you guys.
Speaker 7: I know we're all excited and hopeful, but what is
Speaker 7: the thing keeping you up at night as we barrow forward?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 7: What are the things we were thinking about, whether they're
Speaker 7: rational or irrational? And you know what are y'all al
Speaker 7: most concerned about?
Speaker 3: Answer?
Speaker 1: Oh, I was different to you. Well, I want to
Speaker 1: stay on the hope for a minute, because we got
Speaker 1: a whole episode to talk through all the angst and
Speaker 1: the worry and the stress and all of that, and.
Speaker 3: An Angela before where you go there? Tiff asked the
Speaker 3: question in her comments, No, no, no, She asked the
Speaker 3: question and said, would we have imagined that the only
Speaker 3: way that a black woman would be set up to
Speaker 3: ascend into, you know, the presidency is the way that
Speaker 3: it occurred? And Tiff Gerald Ford anticipated that question for
Speaker 3: you and he wanted you to hear this response.
Speaker 7: Mister Ford, what advice would you give a young lady
Speaker 7: wanting to become president of the United States.
Speaker 8: Well, I hope we do have a young lady at
Speaker 8: some point become president of the United States. I can
Speaker 8: tell you how I think it will happen. That's you, Tiff,
Speaker 8: because it won't happen. In the normal course of events,
Speaker 8: either the Republican or Democrat political party will nominate a
Speaker 8: man for president and a woman for vice president, and
Speaker 8: the woman and man will win. So you'll end up
Speaker 8: with a president a male, and a vice president a female,
Speaker 8: and in that term of office of the president, the
Speaker 8: president will die.
Speaker 3: That didn't happen, and the woman.
Speaker 8: Will become president under the law. And once that barrier
Speaker 8: is broken, from then on, men better be careful because
Speaker 8: they'll have a hard hard time ever even getting a
Speaker 8: nomination in the future. But that's the way it's going
Speaker 8: to happen.
Speaker 5: I just thought it was so he killed a man
Speaker 5: in the clip.
Speaker 1: That's why it wasn't going to this maculating all online everywhere,
Speaker 1: and I was like, now, why are we playing this
Speaker 1: where he did off this man?
Speaker 7: Anyway, I hadn't seen it. That was my first time.
Speaker 7: I think that was a great tea up. He was
Speaker 7: forecasting what would happen absolutely decades later, Sands the killing
Speaker 7: of President significance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but it's so crazy that at that time
Speaker 3: he could not conceive of a woman on her own
Speaker 3: outright running and receiving the nomination. That the way it
Speaker 3: would happen in America one day is a man or
Speaker 3: a woman would get together. The man will be president,
Speaker 3: the woman vice president, and she'll ascend through some crisis
Speaker 3: in the office.
Speaker 7: Well, when a black woman, that's a whole other situation too.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of black women in my excitement, you guys know,
Speaker 1: I have a uniform that I like to wear every week,
Speaker 1: and this week I'm slightly at a dress codes. Soho
Speaker 1: I could just wear this, Oh.
Speaker 7: I got my sweatd wait, take your Can you take
Speaker 7: your jacket off? Because I didn't see the back the photos.
Speaker 7: I love it. You know, everybody's going to I know
Speaker 7: how they can get that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You got to ask Jerry if he'll
Speaker 1: run that thing back from twenty twenty. But in the meantime,
Speaker 1: this is fear of God. I'm fear of God all
Speaker 1: day to day. But yes, I just got to tell
Speaker 1: you I have delighted in the brief reprieve that we've
Speaker 1: had from some of the griefs that we've experienced as
Speaker 1: a people, as a culture in this country right now,
Speaker 1: just to celebrate this moment. I was delighted that Joe
Speaker 1: Biden kept his commitment to Kamala Harris. I am delighted
Speaker 1: at like watching her shine. Like one of the things
Speaker 1: I think we've said a lot on this podcast, and
Speaker 1: it pissed a lot of folks off initially, is that
Speaker 1: Kamala when you're just one on one with her, is
Speaker 1: this incredible?
Speaker 7: Harris? Say again, Oh, I'm just calling her vice president
Speaker 7: Harris because people, you know, people always get very familiar.
Speaker 7: But I know you know her personally. I'm literally about
Speaker 7: to tell a personal story. So if you just roll
Speaker 7: with me for a minute. Even her campaign signs right
Speaker 7: now say Kamala.
Speaker 1: So I think I'm safe and they know I deeply
Speaker 1: respect this woman and her role in her office and
Speaker 1: who she is as a person. But I was getting
Speaker 1: ready to say, was when you're in those one on
Speaker 1: one moments with Kamala the individual, She's very warm, she's
Speaker 1: very cool, she's very down to earth, and I'm so
Speaker 1: excited that people are going to get to see that
Speaker 1: side of her as well as the prosecutor side. So
Speaker 1: on that point, I really wanted to ask y'all on
Speaker 1: the other side of her raising more than one hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars so far for everybody was like, who said
Speaker 1: she couldn't do it? Small dollar donors stepped up and said,
Speaker 1: yes she can, right, Folks came out and they said
Speaker 1: they're going phone bank. My dad volunteered my mom to
Speaker 1: be a Kamala Harris volunteer, and Mama Rah was smiling
Speaker 1: instead of being like you know that apathy turned to
Speaker 1: astonishing excitement just overnight, and so I join you in
Speaker 1: that tiff. The question I have is one that TIF
Speaker 1: and I were about to debate on a side chat
Speaker 1: a few days ago, and that is this, should Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris debate Donald Trump? And if she should, should it
Speaker 1: be on Fox? Where are we not?
Speaker 3: So? Yes?
Speaker 7: First, yeah, I well, one, I think absolutely she's ready
Speaker 7: and willing, but I can almost guarantee another debate will
Speaker 7: not happen. Donald Trump does not want to square up
Speaker 7: with Vice President Harris on a stage we all saw,
Speaker 7: you know, Joe Biden was president. Biden was not ready
Speaker 7: for the moment, and so I think even in her
Speaker 7: speech the first time we heard from her after she
Speaker 7: ascended to the potential nominee because the convention is not
Speaker 7: for a few weeks, but the potential Democratic nominee, she said,
Speaker 7: I am a prosecutor. I've prosecuted all types of people,
Speaker 7: and she went on to, you know, describe these criminals
Speaker 7: that all are. You know, the would be appeasable Trump
Speaker 7: to write to former President Trump. So I think he
Speaker 7: would be incredibly intimidated by her. I think he lacks
Speaker 7: the maturity to stand across from her and wait his
Speaker 7: turn to speak. I think he lacks the intellectual engagement
Speaker 7: to be able to articulate any clear point. I think
Speaker 7: the conversation would shift from Joe Biden being older to
Speaker 7: Donald Trump being older, which it should have already been
Speaker 7: there because he routinely made these incoherent statements even on
Speaker 7: that debate. But the media loves to, you know, chase
Speaker 7: one headline over the other. I do not think it
Speaker 7: should be on Fox News. And this is why Angela,
Speaker 7: I don't know what that would get her. You're not
Speaker 7: gaining any more voters. That is not a legitimate news organization.
Speaker 7: It is a propaganda network. They do not adhere to
Speaker 7: the rules. As you all know. I've appeared on Fox
Speaker 7: News when I very first started doing television, and they
Speaker 7: would do things like, Hey, you're coming on to talk
Speaker 7: about this topic, and then they would switch it at
Speaker 7: the last minute, and somehow all the other guests knew
Speaker 7: that they were going to switch topics, and it, you know,
Speaker 7: spring it on me. We're going to talk about North Korea.
Speaker 7: It was fine. I'd stay ready, so it was I
Speaker 7: was able to flow. But they do that kind of trickery.
Speaker 7: I just don't know what it gets her. I don't
Speaker 7: know why she would lend her face, her platform, her
Speaker 7: viewers to this network that traffics in misinformation, disinformation, racism, misogyny, xenophobia,
Speaker 7: et cetera. So I'm a strong no on appearing on
Speaker 7: Fox News and having anything to do with them that
Speaker 7: influences their bottom line.
Speaker 3: You know, Tiff, I would I would agree with you
Speaker 3: all the way, probably up to that point, except for
Speaker 3: the fact I don't want to get no pro season
Speaker 3: profits by any of us putting our eyes on the
Speaker 3: station to watch the debate, So that would be an objection.
Speaker 3: But if you're Kamala Harris, Vice President Harris, I'm guessing
Speaker 3: the reason you would do it is because you are
Speaker 3: putting yourself in position to tear away voters who would
Speaker 3: otherwise never consider you. And now that they've been able
Speaker 3: to put you side by side with the guy they
Speaker 3: thought was, you know, next to christ he's looking kind
Speaker 3: of whack. And I'm telling you, I just think I
Speaker 3: think she doesn't risk her base, and she potentially gains
Speaker 3: new ground, but.
Speaker 7: That legitimizes and normalizes a terrible problematic platform that's literally
Speaker 7: think ahoots with foreign agents, foreign governments. Like at some point,
Speaker 7: like you have to draw the line, like stop chasing
Speaker 7: creable what the gain would not be worth the risk?
Speaker 3: What is the Washington Correspondence don't they don't they get
Speaker 3: credentialed by others quote unquote they do?
Speaker 7: I think the Washington Correspondents Association, yes, or the White
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, the White House Correspondents Association. They credential Fox
Speaker 7: News that right, but that is also something that's been
Speaker 7: up for debate, and you know.
Speaker 3: Subject credential. I only ask because they get those credentials,
Speaker 3: which means they are by and large looked at as
Speaker 3: a fair balanced you know, legitimate news source, and so
Speaker 3: so long as that's going to be the case, I
Speaker 3: think we're just sort of really arguing amongst ourselves, and
Speaker 3: we're not the ones who need convincing. It's those listeners
Speaker 3: over there who already have a bar so low set
Speaker 3: for her. They don't have any expectation for this quote DEI,
Speaker 3: vice president nominee for Democratic Party for president. They literally
Speaker 3: disregard her resume. This one's got more experience than JJD
Speaker 3: events has been in the Senate less than two years.
Speaker 3: This woman has. Anyway, my point is is they got
Speaker 3: no expectation for her performing at a functional level.
Speaker 7: I think if you look at the demographics of the
Speaker 7: Fox News viewer, which I have for the first book
Speaker 7: I wrote, they are I want to say, maybe ninety
Speaker 7: four percent white. Incredibly, and don't quote me on that.
Speaker 7: The the numbers could have changed, so forgive me because
Speaker 7: I can't cite my source in this moment. Probably numbers
Speaker 7: could have changed, but they have since because the conservative
Speaker 7: media is now so decentralized with other platforms like OAM
Speaker 7: and Newsmax and you know, other outlets, they still continue
Speaker 7: to be the jaggernaut. They still dominate the ratings, they
Speaker 7: still lap MSNBC and everybody's lapping CNN, including US, so
Speaker 7: they do have a significant amount of viewership. My argument, though, Andrew,
Speaker 7: is I do not believe those people are convincible and
Speaker 7: like they can watch her on other platforms. I think
Speaker 7: there is a significant amount of danger in legitimizing that
Speaker 7: type of platform. And I don't believe that the viewers
Speaker 7: who overwhelmingly watch Fox are even receptive. I think they
Speaker 7: are willfully ignorant to policies and the things that are
Speaker 7: promoted on that network. I think that network allows them
Speaker 7: to traffic in racism. I think it allows them it
Speaker 7: validates the feelings that they have about migrants, even if
Speaker 7: it's a completely scripted narrative from Fox News. So I
Speaker 7: just I would strongly discourage her. But Angela, you asked
Speaker 7: the question and you haven't answered, so I want to
Speaker 7: hear what you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, tif you know, this is where I disagree.
Speaker 1: I feel like she needs to go, like the evangelists,
Speaker 1: to the four corners of the Earth to go find
Speaker 1: these votes. I am not saying, however, that she should
Speaker 1: have one hundreds of million dollars spin to go find
Speaker 1: nikkiy Haley voters. But in the event that she could
Speaker 1: cop some of them, why not go on Fox. I
Speaker 1: think there are a lot of platforms she should go on,
Speaker 1: including Joe Rogan's and a bunch of other folks who
Speaker 1: maybe we don't listen to, but some folks who do
Speaker 1: and are persuadable can hear her there because they're not
Speaker 1: tuning into MS, they're not tuning into seeing in, they're
Speaker 1: not watching some of the pods and listening to some
Speaker 1: of our friends who we know are brilliant and dope
Speaker 1: and write and great thing pieces on Kamala. So I think,
Speaker 1: if she don't have anything to lose, what in the
Speaker 1: hell does she have to lose? Nothing, go get the votes.
Speaker 3: Man, Well, the next debate will put more eyes on her,
Speaker 3: then will be on her prior to election day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it will be the.
Speaker 3: Largest concentrated audience in the country between now and election day.
Speaker 3: And second, you know, the second point is is I
Speaker 3: would disagree with you slightly, Angela with regard to sort
Speaker 3: of saturate the conservative talking heads and whatever platform media
Speaker 3: platforms if you're Tamala Harris, and I think having attempted
Speaker 3: something similar in campaigning in all sixty seven counties of
Speaker 3: Florida and camping out in some of these really red areas.
Speaker 3: Is that we also serve as a bit of a
Speaker 3: reminder and organizer for the kind of vitriolic pushback that
Speaker 3: they would normally heap on us, you know, on a
Speaker 3: regular day. But if they were thinking about not voting,
Speaker 3: my very presence and their space and their local television,
Speaker 3: you know market was enough to agitate them to show
Speaker 3: up on election day and make sure I would not
Speaker 3: become governor of Florida. And so I do think that
Speaker 3: there are some platforms that make some sense a network
Speaker 3: hosting a debate that will get more global, global audience,
Speaker 3: larger than any other between non election day.
Speaker 7: Yes, I had something to say about that on the
Speaker 7: other side of the break, because I know we'd the break,
Speaker 7: but I got a response right after this break, so
Speaker 7: stay tuned. On the other side, I got something to say,
Speaker 7: say it.
Speaker 3: Say it man.
Speaker 4: Before I was elected Vice president, before I was elected
Speaker 4: the United States Senator, I was elected attorney general of
Speaker 4: the state of California, and I was a courtroom prosecutor
Speaker 4: before them, and in those rules I took on perpetrators
Speaker 4: of all kinds, predators who abused women, fraudsters who ripped
Speaker 4: off consumers, cheaters who broke the rules.
Speaker 1: For their own gain.
Speaker 4: So hear me when I say I know Donald Trump's type.
Speaker 1: If I want to hear what you got to say.
Speaker 1: But I also want to get into whether or not
Speaker 1: we think that's an effective line to go ahead. But
Speaker 1: I'm going to answer you a question because I think
Speaker 1: that's right along the lines of what I have to say. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think that is an effective line to receptive people.
Speaker 1: I do not believe Fox News viewers would ever be
Speaker 1: persuaded by that. I think they would look at who
Speaker 1: is this upity, you know what, telling this white man
Speaker 1: that he's a criminal. And she ought to be happy
Speaker 1: to be in this position, she ought to be grateful
Speaker 1: to be in this country.
Speaker 7: We've already heard the Senator J. D Vance, the vice
Speaker 7: presidential nominee on the Republican side, say that he never
Speaker 7: hears her express gratitude for being in this country. I
Speaker 7: think we're expecting intellect from people who have none. They
Speaker 7: have no curiosity even about it. So I love that line.
Speaker 7: I do think, and we've talked about this a little
Speaker 7: bit in our group chat. I do think there are
Speaker 7: some people who you know it will become a trope.
Speaker 7: You know that she was a prosecutor because there are
Speaker 7: a significant amount of people in this country who don't
Speaker 7: necessarily understand the roles prosecutors play, and previously they've only
Speaker 7: been painted as playing a horrible role and lacking up
Speaker 7: black men. Statistically, that's not true about Vice President Harris
Speaker 7: when she was in San Francisco. San Francisco doesn't even
Speaker 7: have a significant number of black men who lived there
Speaker 7: for her to be laser focused on black men. But
Speaker 7: you can look at the numbers and it's just not true.
Speaker 7: And also, as we've said on this show many times
Speaker 7: before Marilyn Moseby, Kim Fox, prosecutors play it in a
Speaker 7: hugely important role in that they decide what charges to
Speaker 7: bring and what charges not to So sometimes prosecutors are
Speaker 7: keeping black men out of jail. They decide when speaking
Speaker 7: of Sonia Massey, they decide when a law enforcement officer
Speaker 7: shoots an unarmed black person. They're the ones persuading those charges.
Speaker 7: So I think we have to inform and educate a
Speaker 7: receptive base. I do not think that's even possible on
Speaker 7: the Republican base. And if I can kick this question
Speaker 7: back to you, Angela. We talked about this. We were
Speaker 7: both disgusted at the Democratic Party going after these Nicki
Speaker 7: Hayley voters. So I hear you saying like, no, I
Speaker 7: don't think they should send hundreds of millions of dollars,
Speaker 7: should do it. But I just wonder like why, Like
Speaker 7: why do you think Fox News might be a good
Speaker 7: platform versus I like your idea about like Joe Rogan
Speaker 7: and other platforms, but why Fox News versus like any
Speaker 7: other network? Like what is it about these folks that
Speaker 7: you have faith that maybe even five of them might
Speaker 7: be able to come over to her side? Because I
Speaker 7: have none ratings? What do you mean rating?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 7: Oh, so you're saying because more people would tune in,
Speaker 7: and so they would then say, oh, I like her,
Speaker 7: Like what about that those viewers that you think they
Speaker 7: would say no, I have faith in the viewers that
Speaker 7: they would hear from her and be open to her
Speaker 7: and say yes, I will vote for her.
Speaker 1: Well, I think with any election you have to count
Speaker 1: on masks, Like she can't win just with her base
Speaker 1: and there aren't enough people. She has to build a
Speaker 1: different coalition. I don't think it's the Obama coalition, and
Speaker 1: even Barack Obama went on Fox News. He went on
Speaker 1: Fox News, he was interviewed on Fox News. Like, I
Speaker 1: don't just think she should do a debate on Fox News.
Speaker 1: I think she should be interviewed there. She could pick
Speaker 1: her interviewer, but like, yeah, she she absolutely needs to
Speaker 1: talk to people who are uncomfortable with her, who say
Speaker 1: Kamala instead of Kamala. People who you know, will want
Speaker 1: to demonize her, and just like Donald Trump was birtha
Speaker 1: in chief, under Barack Obama will try to say that
Speaker 1: she's not a citizen, like all of the things that
Speaker 1: they'll do to try to engage in xenophobic scare tactics
Speaker 1: to keep people from even being curious about her. So
Speaker 1: for that viewer, that person who could be persuaded, but
Speaker 1: they're not curious, as you said, maybe you have to
Speaker 1: bring the curiosity to their to their living room. So
Speaker 1: I don't have the answers. What I can say is
Speaker 1: the math we have ain't going to take her across
Speaker 1: the finish line. And so where are you Fox?
Speaker 7: As a as a like a community validator, would would
Speaker 7: you would you go?
Speaker 1: I would struggle with that. I think we've to all
Speaker 1: talked about it, right, Like I think for me, I
Speaker 1: think Kamala is more mature than me. I think you
Speaker 1: more mature than me. Like I'm looking to call somebody
Speaker 1: a bit on Fox right, Like it's like it's gonna
Speaker 1: it's gonna go down, right, It's just like take my
Speaker 1: ears off, ready to swing, throw a shoot. Can't fight,
Speaker 1: you know, But maybe I would do that. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I don't trust my my inner salvation enough to go
Speaker 1: on Fox. But I think that if there were some parameters,
Speaker 1: and I were people on a part of her strategic advisors,
Speaker 1: I would set up some parameters and have her go on.
Speaker 1: If they violate those things, don't do it again. But
Speaker 1: I cannot see a downside, like I remember just as
Speaker 1: an example, and it's a little different. But ESPN's viewing
Speaker 1: audience isn't that different from Fox. I don't think people
Speaker 1: really I don't think people really understand that, especially when
Speaker 1: you get to like the Sports Center hour earlier in
Speaker 1: the day, it's more diverse. They brought on some programming
Speaker 1: recently that's trended more conservative, more flyover country and you know,
Speaker 1: middle aged white men. Sports Center was that time I
Speaker 1: was pitching Kamala for Vice President Harris for a a
Speaker 1: segment about Britney Griner when we were still trying to
Speaker 1: get her back, and I thought it was perfect for
Speaker 1: her because so many people who are not us don't
Speaker 1: hear from her, don't know her, don't know what she's
Speaker 1: been doing. And even though Britney Grinder wasn't yet a
Speaker 1: success story, I knew that we were teeing it up
Speaker 1: for when it became a success story and they couldn't
Speaker 1: see it. So her team asked if she could instead
Speaker 1: talk about Row. Can't talk about Row on ESPN? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like that doesn't work.
Speaker 7: We can what's wrong with her? So why would they
Speaker 7: suggest that? You said it wouldn't never make any It
Speaker 7: doesn't make going on ESPN to talk about Row. That
Speaker 7: doesn't make any sense. I tried to s makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tried to make that point. I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's a sports network, it's probably got to be sports adjacent.
Speaker 1: But I thought it was a win FORER and they
Speaker 1: declined they were too worried about her, but she's gonna
Speaker 1: My point is the Kamala Harris that is going too secure.
Speaker 1: The not just this nomination, but the presidency is a
Speaker 1: risk taking Kamala Harris, and that means she he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to do some things that make all of us
Speaker 1: in come were like, why you do that? I'm not
Speaker 1: sure about that. I think that's really important and one
Speaker 1: of those places y'all might have to be in this
Speaker 1: VP pick. So if y'all don't mind, I love to
Speaker 1: get our polling firm in session and see every think
Speaker 1: we are on a VP pick. What do y'all think
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I want to talk about that because what you
Speaker 7: just said about her being a risk taker one, I
Speaker 7: just want to quickly say, when you said that about ESPN,
Speaker 7: I didn't know that, but it makes all the sense
Speaker 7: because you think about who watches sports. You think about
Speaker 7: NFL like America Sports, of course they would have a
Speaker 7: significant conservative viewing audience. So that makes sense and it
Speaker 7: will make sense for her to appear on there even now.
Speaker 7: But for in terms of VP, if she is to
Speaker 7: be a risk taker, we're having the same conversations we
Speaker 7: did with then candidate Obama then Senator Obama and why
Speaker 7: he chose President Joe Biden. Joe Biden was very strong
Speaker 7: on foreign policy. He had been in the Senate long time,
Speaker 7: he was a safe Pennsylvania white man. We're doing it
Speaker 7: again this time. I we know the VP position is
Speaker 7: a pretty much superfluous position. It has gotten a lot
Speaker 7: more attention. I think when Sarah Palin was tapped because
Speaker 7: she was a historic candidate, and now with Vice President
Speaker 7: Harris making history as well. I if she goes with
Speaker 7: like plain vanilla like cause, let's say she goes with
Speaker 7: Senator Mark Kelly that Arizona's a swing state that you know,
Speaker 7: would garner her a significant amount of viewers. I think
Speaker 7: somebody like Basher, the governor of Kentucky. Yes, Kentucky, yep, yes,
Speaker 7: I you know, ANGELIAU you alluded to this as well.
Speaker 7: I don't know if that gets her a lot. Kentucky's
Speaker 7: a solid red state. Now the question is, and I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't have an opinion on here. I'll be honest.
Speaker 7: If she were to go bold, we know Gretchen Whitmer
Speaker 7: has already said. Governor Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan has already
Speaker 7: said that she does not wish to be her running mate.
Speaker 7: But is this the time to make a bold step
Speaker 7: like that? And a bold choice might be Governor Gretchen Whitmer,
Speaker 7: and I want y'all to know the Secretary Pete Buddhajedge
Speaker 7: has a number one fan on this podcast, and it's
Speaker 7: not me and Andrew Angela loves Pete. Those no, you
Speaker 7: don't like him for VP. Really, those would be two
Speaker 7: bold choices. If she's going to be a risk taker.
Speaker 7: You don't like.
Speaker 1: When you messed up my poll, but I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: you have it. You're okay, okay, okay, weplo Andrew, do
Speaker 1: you have a bold pick or do you have somebody
Speaker 1: who you think, like if.
Speaker 5: You were betting man Governor Shapiro, that's.
Speaker 7: What you think she's gonna pick Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: I think that's who she should pick. I think he
Speaker 3: you know, I said this when we were in New York.
Speaker 3: I think you had interviewed him, you know, a couple
Speaker 3: of hours earlier, uh at breakfast club, and I think
Speaker 3: you were impressed. And when you came back, I said,
Speaker 3: I think that this guy has national, you know, White
Speaker 3: House presidential sort of trajectory. And I felt that way
Speaker 3: because the night of his acceptance speech, when he was
Speaker 3: you know, beautifully elected in the state of Pennsylvania, UH
Speaker 3: to its governorship, he was so real. So I mean,
Speaker 3: I felt like if through the screen I could touch
Speaker 3: him and immediately feel relatable to this guy. Kamala Harris,
Speaker 3: the Vice President, knows him. They you know her her
Speaker 3: stint as an attorney's general in the Democratic Attorney's General Association.
Speaker 3: She formed these bonds with not just him, but Basher's
Speaker 3: Roy Cooper. Uh, you know, all these guys who were
Speaker 3: ages before they were governors of their states, respectively. I
Speaker 3: think he would be an inspirational choice. He's young, he's scrappy,
Speaker 3: It's sort of you know, you sort of get that
Speaker 3: Scranton Joe, except in a different form, but with the
Speaker 3: same kind of pedigree, you know, you know, with with
Speaker 3: a probably big exception for some people, and that is
Speaker 3: he is Jewish American. And I do wonder whether or
Speaker 3: not you know, we've we've we've seen how bad it
Speaker 3: can get. When when when when white super missus turned
Speaker 3: anti Semitics out loud, louder than they are anti black,
Speaker 3: and we see what happens. So I don't, I don't,
Speaker 3: I don't know what that would feel like, but I
Speaker 3: kind of feel like there would be enough momentum, new
Speaker 3: energy attraction of a expanded demographic of Democrats and indefendents voting,
Speaker 3: and they could pull that thing.
Speaker 1: You know. I I appreciate that I have been thinking
Speaker 1: about some other folks. I will tell you that my
Speaker 1: gut says I agree with you on Shapiro Tiff asked
Speaker 1: us about a bold A bold ticket, and I actually
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I just don't think Gretchen Whitmer
Speaker 1: and Kamala Harris are a good pair. I'm not opposed
Speaker 1: to an all women ticket, but that one that doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like it. I also don't I'm not feeling Mark Kelly.
Speaker 1: I think that he's kind of like watching paint dry
Speaker 1: and for I'm honest, that's what I feel like. That's
Speaker 1: where I feel Hillary Clinton messed up in her race
Speaker 1: picking Tim Kaine. They were so worried about not having
Speaker 1: someone on the ticket with her that would overshadow her,
Speaker 1: that was more passionate and you know, kind of more exciting,
Speaker 1: and I think that's where they really messed up. So
Speaker 1: I want her to have someone that can go toe
Speaker 1: to toe with her, and so y'all, I have one
Speaker 1: that's really unconventional my idea. I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is going to pass that in thirty six hours. But
Speaker 1: my idea is for her to ask John Stewart, oh.
Speaker 7: My lord, let's go to a commercial.
Speaker 1: Brank. I love John Stewart. Through picking a comedian, argue
Speaker 1: my case after the break.
Speaker 2: Well, come welcome, well, come welcome, well, come welcome.
Speaker 7: Okay, Angela talkas through picking a comedian. Okay, it's not
Speaker 7: that deep. It's not that deep, but I think I know, Like,
Speaker 7: let me say this first.
Speaker 1: I'm very frustrated about the fact that we regularly have
Speaker 1: to center what makes white men comfortable when we select tickets.
Speaker 1: I think that's I can't wait till, like to the
Speaker 1: point of your book that you regularly reference as you should.
Speaker 1: I can't wait till we understand and we see the
Speaker 1: browning of American appreciate how much investment it is going
Speaker 1: to take to really secure the rising majority in their votes.
Speaker 5: Our votes, however, were.
Speaker 1: Not quite there yet, and so my thought was, I
Speaker 1: will be but yeah, oh, Andrew, come on, there's demographics
Speaker 1: are shifting, whether demographics, whether whether they want to force
Speaker 1: everybody to have babies or not, demographics are shifting, and
Speaker 1: so my think my thinking is this, I think that
Speaker 1: the idea of the prosecutor versus versus the the criminal.
Speaker 1: I don't even wanna call me convicted felling, because sometimes
Speaker 1: people are wrongfully convicted, but versus the criminal is a
Speaker 1: very strong ticket. I also think there are some things
Speaker 1: that this country is not ready to hear out of
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris's mouth. I think she needs a number two
Speaker 1: who can just say whatever they want to say without penalty,
Speaker 1: without penalty. That can't be Josh Shapiro. That can't be
Speaker 1: Mark Kelly, that can't be Roy Cooper, right, that can't
Speaker 1: be any of these people. That can't be It definitely
Speaker 1: can't be grit to women because now you got two women,
Speaker 1: so there's somebody who's behind her throwing blows. And I
Speaker 1: think that because we are in this reality show that
Speaker 1: we can't seem to escape the credits just won't namrel,
Speaker 1: that we might as well meet these folks where they are.
Speaker 1: And John Stewart has been a regular staple, a true
Speaker 1: tailer for many He's been on the hill lobbying for
Speaker 1: efforts that I think many of American support. Even when
Speaker 1: they don't agree a ligne on both sides of the aisle,
Speaker 1: they found ways to agree with him on some critical
Speaker 1: policy issues, especially around veterans. I think that might be
Speaker 1: a good guy. And listen, if he can't be on
Speaker 1: the ticket, they at least need to sit his ass
Speaker 1: out here, right, you can't. It's not just sarrogate. It's
Speaker 1: somebody who can go toe to toe in debate with JD.
Speaker 1: Vance and call him on his stuff.
Speaker 3: That that that would be a that would be a
Speaker 3: what's the woman from Alaska? Sarah Palin? Uh? Yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't not to equate their intelligence because he's a brilliant man,
Speaker 3: but can he be president of the United States? Exactly immediately?
Speaker 1: He also could win and then step down and give
Speaker 1: it to Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I think he would disqualify him by a
Speaker 3: lot of people, the ticket would be disqualified.
Speaker 7: And I think trafficking and what they do is always
Speaker 7: a fail to be honest. You know, like we hear
Speaker 7: people sometimes in all kinds of dynamics, we do this, right.
Speaker 7: It's like almost Stockholm syndrome where it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 7: men act like this, and so women think the pathway
Speaker 7: to success is acting like men, or white folks do
Speaker 7: it like this, so black folks think, you know, white
Speaker 7: folks water cooler, So let's act like that. I think
Speaker 7: we have to stay true to our own principles. And
Speaker 7: trafficking and putting like this TV star and making him
Speaker 7: into a politician I think is dangerous. To Andrew's point,
Speaker 7: he is not that is not necessarily somebody I want
Speaker 7: engaging with foreign powers on a global stage. I don't
Speaker 7: know what his understanding of foreign policy is. I don't
Speaker 7: know if he's ready to navigate budgets and you know
Speaker 7: how we allocate federal funding for what's happening in the
Speaker 7: rise of the Global South and you know, NATO and
Speaker 7: all the various things. So I would not choose John Stewart.
Speaker 7: I think he would make an amazing surrogate. And I think,
Speaker 7: you know, we have to remember she would be commander
Speaker 7: in chief. The person who who she picks is VP
Speaker 7: to me, is not as important. I think it's you know,
Speaker 7: comes down to what people consider. It's who is gonna
Speaker 7: be the best person to help get out votes and
Speaker 7: help her win. And I don't know that that matters
Speaker 7: as much in this particular election. I could be wrong,
Speaker 7: and I'm opening y'all disagreeing with me. I don't know
Speaker 7: if we have any viewer questions to speak to that.
Speaker 7: But I'd be up for disagreement here if I'm sometimes.
Speaker 7: You know, I was telling Angela as we were. I
Speaker 7: don't evenmember what we were disagreeing about, Angela, but I
Speaker 7: was telling Angela I disagree with her on something, and
Speaker 7: I was like, but look it had somebody come to
Speaker 7: me twenty years ago and say, oh, I had this
Speaker 7: idea where it's gonna be an app, right, and you
Speaker 7: can just ask people for rides, you know, like you
Speaker 7: just click a button. And I'm like, you're gonna give
Speaker 7: strangers your address and get in a car with a
Speaker 7: stranger that I don't make no sense to them. Or
Speaker 7: I have an idea where it's gonna be a platform
Speaker 7: and you can like share your thoughts like one hundred
Speaker 7: twenty one hundred and forty characters at a time. It's like, well,
Speaker 7: that's dumb, Like why can't I just email you or
Speaker 7: text you? So I may not always be the visionary here,
Speaker 7: but I don't think John Stewart is it for me?
Speaker 1: Well, I want to know who gives y'all that kind
Speaker 1: of excitement I got excited about nobody.
Speaker 7: Nobody gives she gives Mebeth Lawn.
Speaker 3: I really like Elizabeth, But I think with VP choices,
Speaker 3: what people are really measuring is do they meet the
Speaker 3: fitness tests? Like what you the reason why they went
Speaker 3: with a Cane if you were a Hillary, is she
Speaker 3: needed this safe, warm blanket of a white man and
Speaker 3: all he needed to be was taller. But he was
Speaker 3: from Virginia, so it worked.
Speaker 1: But but, but, and.
Speaker 3: People don't come up with these visions of I've got
Speaker 3: to capitulate to be like what folks would consider acceptable.
Speaker 3: They get there because we know what the winning and
Speaker 3: the lost history is. If every time you see example
Speaker 3: before you the you want to be the mayor, but
Speaker 3: every mayor you've seen is white and a lawyer, and
Speaker 3: dress as well, and da da d da da. You're
Speaker 3: going to comport yourself in that way? You don't, You
Speaker 3: can't you the white man thing, but you can dress
Speaker 3: yourself up because it looks like it looks like the
Speaker 3: recipe for what's required to get where you're trying to go.
Speaker 3: So I don't think it is a overwhelming sort of
Speaker 3: let me bow down to you know, white folks and
Speaker 3: white men in order to achieve my future. I think
Speaker 3: it is what has won who's been winning? And how
Speaker 3: do I win? And you pull pages from the folks
Speaker 3: who have been been at the helm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's changing quick. And here's the other
Speaker 1: thing that's changing quick. Now. She's got to have a
Speaker 1: new campaign slogan, Nick, do we have any video of
Speaker 1: her saying We're not going back.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump intends to cut Social Security and Medicare. He
Speaker 4: intends to give tax breaks to billionaires and big corporations
Speaker 4: and make working families foot the bill. They intend to
Speaker 4: end the Affordable Care Act. Take us back then to
Speaker 4: a time when insurance companies have the power to deny
Speaker 4: people with.
Speaker 1: Pre existing conditions.
Speaker 4: America has tried these failed economic policies before.
Speaker 5: But we are not going back.
Speaker 3: They're not going back. I think is going to stir
Speaker 3: visions of race and the sort of how do you
Speaker 3: say the historic nature of the race a black woman
Speaker 3: and a woman period. And I think we have to
Speaker 3: be we have to be acutely aware of how people,
Speaker 3: a lot of people within our own party, mostly white,
Speaker 3: in the white liberal group is how I would describe them,
Speaker 3: are all very touchy feely about race and things that
Speaker 3: caused them to feel like the outside and the other.
Speaker 3: And I know that we're not trying to reduce ourselves
Speaker 3: and lure ourselves to fit where people are, But I
Speaker 3: just want us to be aware of those those biases
Speaker 3: that sit in the back of our head that we're
Speaker 3: not gonna give voice to because we know what that means, Hello, canceled.
Speaker 3: But those voices are driving our decision making. You go
Speaker 3: into booth and you're making a decision that hasn't even
Speaker 3: hasn't even pricked your fue brain. Your your biases are
Speaker 3: deciding for you. And I just think we want her
Speaker 3: to be evaluated on the quality, uh in the strength
Speaker 3: of the job she's done, when she's exhibited what she
Speaker 3: will do her vision, and I think for a whole
Speaker 3: lot of us, we're gonna be there for a lot
Speaker 3: of other reasons to add to it, But that ain't
Speaker 3: gonna be what gets everybody in the yes column. In fact,
Speaker 3: it could drive a lot of people to the.
Speaker 1: No, we're not going back. That you think is that negative?
Speaker 3: I don't think it's negative. I think it it elicits
Speaker 3: imagery of not not what I think we want people
Speaker 3: thinking about. Necessarily it, she will lose the value of it.
Speaker 3: I would much prefer her go with a forward thinking
Speaker 3: objective that isn't set next to the negative, which is
Speaker 3: make America great again. Well, okay, I mean that's what
Speaker 3: I thought about when I say we're not going to.
Speaker 1: Go back exactly.
Speaker 3: I want you to tell me. I want you to
Speaker 3: lay something out for me that casts me forward.
Speaker 7: Because now that you say that, I do I think
Speaker 7: being forward thinking and a slogan that is forward moving,
Speaker 7: I do. I get your point.
Speaker 1: I think that it can. I just tell y'all. The
Speaker 1: one thing that I like about it a lot is
Speaker 1: it feels like it's an answer to make America great again.
Speaker 1: We're not going back, like, well, where we're going, but yes,
Speaker 1: and that could be that, but we're not going back
Speaker 1: is a response to make America great again. Then she
Speaker 1: can step into.
Speaker 3: But she won't get that chance because what people have
Speaker 3: evaluated is her whole storyline, her her slogan is in
Speaker 3: contrast to what their guy has.
Speaker 1: And that is what the role of a prosecutor versus
Speaker 1: the criminal in chief has to be.
Speaker 3: She has to let the judge, the jury, and the
Speaker 3: corethouses take that because I want somebody who's going to
Speaker 3: leave the country. I understand and rescue us from the
Speaker 3: damn ditch we you know we're bringing on. I'm sorry, Angela,
Speaker 3: go ahead.
Speaker 1: No, it's fine. You feel very passionate, as do I.
Speaker 1: So I would just say we're not going back as
Speaker 1: a response to make America great again, that we all
Speaker 1: had a visceral reaction to make America great again is
Speaker 1: not a forward thinking ideology either. It is aam It
Speaker 1: is actually a response and or really just a hearkening
Speaker 1: back to Ronald Reagan who also said make America great again.
Speaker 1: We're not going back is a battle cry because we
Speaker 1: keep saying at some point, we've got to acknowledge it
Speaker 1: isn't it back to political war? Why is it a
Speaker 1: political war? Because we are seeing our rights being dialed back.
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris has been on the front lines of reproductive
Speaker 1: justice for trying to protect world, trying to ensure that
Speaker 1: we actually put like, enshrine it and protect it in
Speaker 1: a very real way. That means we cannot go backwards.
Speaker 1: So in order for us to move forwards, I think
Speaker 1: that we have to acknowledge the many ways in which
Speaker 1: we already have gone backwards, the many ways in which
Speaker 1: we have slid even further from what this country was
Speaker 1: built upon. When you give a president immunity for criminal acts,
Speaker 1: so I think you do have to give some credence,
Speaker 1: some acknowledgment for what is Project twenty twenty five also
Speaker 1: is not forward looking. It is also hearkening back. So
Speaker 1: it's sad that she has to be in the position
Speaker 1: to respond to the past, but she's literally running against
Speaker 1: the ghosts.
Speaker 3: Of the past. But their voters know what it means
Speaker 3: to make America great again. They see themselves in that
Speaker 3: pick white picket fence, that house the white stays on, barefoot,
Speaker 3: bearing babies. You know, I'm just saying.
Speaker 7: They I know it's different. We have different interpretations of it.
Speaker 7: There's a set of voters who see that and they're like, yes,
Speaker 7: I remember when he's being When you ask someone how
Speaker 7: old were you when America was great, they were kids.
Speaker 7: They have no idea what was going on, but they
Speaker 7: say visions something. They say, yes, he will bring this
Speaker 7: back to me. Angela's point is Project twenty twenty five
Speaker 7: is backward looking. It is to us.
Speaker 1: To them, it's.
Speaker 7: Saying, here's a future I can promise you that looks
Speaker 7: better than the one that you're in. In your present day,
Speaker 7: so it's forward looking to them but backward looking to us.
Speaker 7: I think you both make good points. I'm only asking
Speaker 7: this because we have so many viewer questions. Do y'all
Speaker 7: mind if we just get to one of them? We
Speaker 7: got to we have so many tip you're so right,
Speaker 7: absolutely yeah, so yes, Well I'm just gonna go in
Speaker 7: order at the script so we have one. But before
Speaker 7: we run this video, I just want to remind our
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Speaker 7: we do not respond to DM questions or questions in
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Speaker 7: So this first one looks like it is from mister Will. So,
Speaker 7: mister Will, what you got for us?
Speaker 3: Was it Will? Hey?
Speaker 9: This is mister Will represent a sameer with Missouri and
Speaker 9: my question is what is a super pac? How can
Speaker 9: a black community, get one, and if you do a
Speaker 9: search engine search for the Black Panther Party, it shows
Speaker 9: they are a political party. How can we use that
Speaker 9: to start putting our own candidates in place?
Speaker 7: I love that question. I can't do, y'all mind if
Speaker 7: I jump in.
Speaker 3: I just want to say yes.
Speaker 7: I can't answer the entire question, but I do want
Speaker 7: to at least respond to his question. Thank you for
Speaker 7: asking what is a super pac? Because there are so
Speaker 7: many people we take for granted what people know. We've
Speaker 7: all worked in politics, and some people don't know what
Speaker 7: a pack is a super pac or the difference. So
Speaker 7: why I love this question is because it is a
Speaker 7: timely one because we've talked about the role of the
Speaker 7: Supreme Court a super pack. If you guys remember the
Speaker 7: slogan or remember hearing corporations are people? That is what
Speaker 7: birth superpack. It was a Supreme Court decision, Citizens United.
Speaker 7: This Court decision came out and I want to say
Speaker 7: two thousand and ten, No, I think it was before
Speaker 7: twenty ten, but somebody checked me, fact check me on
Speaker 7: when it came out. But why this is significant is
Speaker 7: because it made corporations labor organizations. It gave them the
Speaker 7: power to contribute any amount of money they wanted to.
Speaker 7: Where previously individuals could only contribute twenty five hundred dollars
Speaker 7: to a candidate, Corporations can contribute as much as they like,
Speaker 7: which gave certain entities an unseemly amount of power over
Speaker 7: how elections are held, how campaigns are run. And so
Speaker 7: that can be good and bad, right, because you look
Speaker 7: at like the labor organizations, the labor unions, they were
Speaker 7: able to contribute to enormous amounts of money to mostly
Speaker 7: democratic candidates, and then you had the private sector who
Speaker 7: was able to just flood mostly conservative campaigns with their money.
Speaker 7: And I would argue it's had a devastating impact on
Speaker 7: our yes, unlimited funding on our politics and policies, and
Speaker 7: it has been dangerous. Why I remember this is because
Speaker 7: when Sarah Palin was tapped as vice president, which is
Speaker 7: why I think this decision may have been before twenty ten,
Speaker 7: it was okay, so I got twenty ten, right, But
Speaker 7: there were so many Supreme Court decisions that had an
Speaker 7: impact on the races. And I remember Katie Kuric asked
Speaker 7: Sarah Palin, can you name a Supreme Court case that
Speaker 7: has been significant to you, and this dizzy chick could
Speaker 7: not name one Supreme Court case, literally had no idea
Speaker 7: of any Supreme Court case that she could reference. So
Speaker 7: when we have truly dumbed down our politics, and now
Speaker 7: that the black panther part that I don't know much
Speaker 7: about how the black people can get a black a
Speaker 7: super pack. I don't know because we're not a homogenous
Speaker 7: group of people and we have so many different opinions
Speaker 7: on things.
Speaker 1: We have several super PACs. A collective pack is one
Speaker 1: of those, the Congressional Black Cocus. Essentially, a super pac
Speaker 1: is just an IE or an independent expenditure and Tiff
Speaker 1: to your point, you know you got the year right.
Speaker 1: Your memory's impeccable. It's twenty ten. It was the Citizens
Speaker 1: United case. As for a black party right now, if
Speaker 1: you can just vote black and vote for Kamala Harris,
Speaker 1: we can probably like arrange that, but also would encourage
Speaker 1: you to please listen to our podcast. We have a
Speaker 1: mini pod on third party candidates and when they should run.
Speaker 1: I think that's very appropriate here. I'd love to take
Speaker 1: the next question.
Speaker 7: Well, we're gonna go to a break real quick, and
Speaker 7: on the other side of this break, we're gonna come
Speaker 7: back with a fuer questions, so stay tuned.
Speaker 10: What is up, Native Lampod. My name is Nahim Banks
Speaker 10: and I am a graduate of the Howard University HU
Speaker 10: and my question for you all is why do you
Speaker 10: think that the Democratic Party hasn't been investing in and
Speaker 10: supporting candidates of color? In twenty eighteen, I'm a California
Speaker 10: resident and I followed Andrew Gillims campaign and Stacey Abrams
Speaker 10: campaign really, like religiously, because they were they were young,
Speaker 10: they were exciting, they were progressive, and I really thought
Speaker 10: that they were gonna they were gonna fight for communities
Speaker 10: like mine. And even my freshman year at Howard, I
Speaker 10: had the opportunity to volunteer at the CBC really become
Speaker 10: and I did that really because I wanted to take
Speaker 10: a picture where Andrew Gilli and Maal.
Speaker 3: I'm going to attach that picture here. But in the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two midterms and even in this.
Speaker 10: Past primary season, we've constantly seen black candidates overlooked, whether
Speaker 10: that is Barbara Lee and California, which you guys talked
Speaker 10: about in the last episode. We had my Mandela Barack
Speaker 10: at the sport he needed in Wisconsin. Even though his
Speaker 10: governor ended up getting elected to a second term. We
Speaker 10: had Yury Chambers in Louisiana or Keida Bradshaw, and in
Speaker 10: Tennessee can Cherry Beasley and South Carolina, and we had
Speaker 10: the most black candidates for office these past two cycles
Speaker 10: down in the South, and I just feel like we
Speaker 10: have been completely we completely abandoned them, partly because the
Speaker 10: Democratic Party and these consultants think that candidates of color
Speaker 10: are in a siding that we can't win. So why
Speaker 10: do you all think that? And what you think can
Speaker 10: do to change that going forward?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love thee I got flowers coming to the studio
Speaker 1: today and Andrew. These are for you, brother, just the
Speaker 1: way that he like touted what you did. And I
Speaker 1: think I think Tiff, I think Tiff and I do
Speaker 1: a good job of recognizing all that you've meant to
Speaker 1: mean to us, but also to the culture. What you
Speaker 1: did to energize a group of young people who were
Speaker 1: never interested in politics before. I think it's so important.
Speaker 1: I will I hate to fact check people, but Sherry
Speaker 1: Beasley's North Carolina, not South Carolina. But everything else he
Speaker 1: said was so good, And I think that we really
Speaker 1: do need to have a conversation about what it's like
Speaker 1: to build not just a Democratic bench, but a political
Speaker 1: bench of young people of color. Again, we know that
Speaker 1: the premise of Tip's book is spot on. There's no
Speaker 1: way to energize a base where they don't see themselves,
Speaker 1: and I think that is case in point. There's no
Speaker 1: excuse for the Democratic Party not to invest in these
Speaker 1: races where people have demonstrated an ability to run and win.
Speaker 1: If they can get within a margin of EIR three
Speaker 1: thousand votes, five thousand votes held, ten thousand votes, we
Speaker 1: should be trying to figure out what went wrong in
Speaker 1: trying to shift it a little bit. One of the
Speaker 1: things that I'm so worried about with the Vice president's
Speaker 1: campaign right now is bringing in the same old, same
Speaker 1: old consultants, the same old, same old ideas, trying to
Speaker 1: make her fit a mold that she should not be
Speaker 1: trying to conform to. It doesn't work for her. That
Speaker 1: I'm trying to run Kamala Harris as a white man
Speaker 1: is not a winning strategy. It's an inauthentic approach to
Speaker 1: what we know to be the case. That is not it.
Speaker 1: And I think in two thousand and eight that worked
Speaker 1: a little bit. They could neutralize Barack Obama and kind
Speaker 1: of make him palatable for white people. I don't think
Speaker 1: that same approach can work here. And so what happens
Speaker 1: when a Gary Chambers? Will you guys? This audience knows
Speaker 1: Gary Chambers because Tim likes to represent that it's such
Speaker 1: a great ad. What happens when you step outside of
Speaker 1: that conformity? Is it still even if it's not safe
Speaker 1: for you and your cookie cutter mold, is it still
Speaker 1: safe in that it is a winning approach? And I
Speaker 1: think that's something we got to wrestle with. Long term answer.
Speaker 7: Before you answer, can I give you my flowers too?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 7: I don't have no actual flowers. Angela's holding the flowers
Speaker 7: for me. First of all, I love that he said
Speaker 7: how inspiring you were, But it's so true, Like there
Speaker 7: are some candidates who are politically ambitious and it comes
Speaker 7: across They can give you know, they can give pretend
Speaker 7: authenticity if you pardon the paradox, but when you meet them,
Speaker 7: it's like, oh, like you, it's not so much that
Speaker 7: you want to lead versus you want to rule or
Speaker 7: want to build a platform, or you want to be
Speaker 7: famous or whatever those things are. But Andrew, your campaign
Speaker 7: was different. You as an individual are different, gifted, A
Speaker 7: light shines upon you, and I think on this podcast
Speaker 7: people get to see that. But also just individually, you know,
Speaker 7: when you and I are together, we typically try to
Speaker 7: go to dinner, we go for a walk or whatever,
Speaker 7: and just every I'm just saying we have a good
Speaker 7: time and you but I always like take stuff to you,
Speaker 7: a problem I'm having or issues or whatever. And I
Speaker 7: think it speaks to who you've been your entire life
Speaker 7: when people know your life story, and a lot of comments,
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna put you on the spot, but a
Speaker 7: lot of comments consistently are the same way people talk
Speaker 7: about Obama in the sense, when are you coming back?
Speaker 7: We need you? How could you leave us here in Florida?
Speaker 7: Like it is like like abandon but they feel abandoned,
Speaker 7: like they want you to come back. When it comes
Speaker 7: to supporting black candidates and other candidates of color, I
Speaker 7: echo everything Angela said, and I would just want to
Speaker 7: inform the viewers and say it is the donor class
Speaker 7: as well. The donor class is largely white and male,
Speaker 7: and who they think can be a viable candidate, You
Speaker 7: saw this in Andrew's race. The media is also complicit.
Speaker 7: They summarily dismissed Andrew's campaign. It was like, you know,
Speaker 7: he just wasn't even on their radar. You see this
Speaker 7: in the incestuous media, the fact that they all have
Speaker 7: friends who works, you know, on different campaigns. They went
Speaker 7: to college with people. It didn't matter that I knew
Speaker 7: Andrew very well, It didn't matter all like that we'd
Speaker 7: know Wes Moore, you know, all the people who we know.
Speaker 7: It just didn't matter to them. It wasn't on their radar.
Speaker 7: In political they used to do, you know, their newsletter.
Speaker 7: Everybody who was spotted was like a white person, you know, involved.
Speaker 7: And so we have to disrupt this landscape and we
Speaker 7: have to force the party with a ground swelling and
Speaker 7: your participation. And I think that's what you did. Andrew.
Speaker 7: I want you to address what the young man said.
Speaker 7: I would love for you to talk about like what
Speaker 7: people like, how we should be thinking about these campaigns.
Speaker 7: You very much did that well.
Speaker 3: I appreciate both my sisters here and brother, so proud
Speaker 3: of you and can't wait to see your name on
Speaker 3: a ballot. It's heading there and not because you present well,
Speaker 3: but because the depth of what you had to say
Speaker 3: clearly demonstrates that you are genuinely and passionately concerned and
Speaker 3: interested and the community that grows up around you, you
Speaker 3: want to shape it. And you know what, I wish
Speaker 3: more people who say that they were interested in public
Speaker 3: service got into it stealed by the knowing that what
Speaker 3: they intend to do is to shape the future. I
Speaker 3: can't stand the folks who say the poll numbers say
Speaker 3: such and such and such and such, so I should
Speaker 3: ghost go of in the corner and die because you
Speaker 3: told me I'm fifth out of fifth the week before
Speaker 3: election day, but I came number one out of five.
Speaker 3: Come on. And so it used to be that great
Speaker 3: leaders would shape public opinion, and the polls taken after
Speaker 3: that will result and what they're resulted in because they
Speaker 3: were shaped by somebody who had the courage to stand
Speaker 3: up and say what it is that they think that
Speaker 3: they believe, and trust that on the listening end, that
Speaker 3: there might be a person who sees you and hears
Speaker 3: you clearly and can relate to what it is that
Speaker 3: you have to say. They're never going to give us
Speaker 3: equal footing. The ruler by which the rest of us
Speaker 3: are measured is the decades, years, centuries of the white
Speaker 3: men who have come before and held those positions before.
Speaker 3: So we're not going to win there. Even the way
Speaker 3: they cover us. They want to talk about my brother's
Speaker 3: criminal history, but they want to talk about the other
Speaker 3: guy's business that he started, you know, at the age
Speaker 3: of five with a million dollar loan from hers his
Speaker 3: daddy that they omitted. So to Angela's point around, when
Speaker 3: do we get measured for who we are rather than
Speaker 3: how well we can capitulate to what the majority, the
Speaker 3: ruling class has to do and say. And I think
Speaker 3: it's in this space of running for office, being of
Speaker 3: public service where you have to throw the rule book out.
Speaker 3: If you're waiting for the invitation, it'll never come if
Speaker 3: you want it. Waiting for the boardroom a meeting, whien
Speaker 3: you get called in, it's not happening. Bring your fold
Speaker 3: in chair, or sit against the wall on the floor.
Speaker 3: They're not going to invite us into those spaces. And
Speaker 3: so what do we do. Hell, we create our own.
Speaker 3: And when people get to see us, not the bourgeoisie
Speaker 3: and the ruling class, but when people get to see you,
Speaker 3: and they get to see your heart and they get
Speaker 3: to understand the relatability of it, and that you care
Speaker 3: just like daycare, and that you put one leg through
Speaker 3: the pants just like he does or she does. And
Speaker 3: people are hungry for that. That's why. And I hate
Speaker 3: to say it, but you have so many nimrods on
Speaker 3: the right who are willing to take Donald Trump as
Speaker 3: he is because he is the same low life that
Speaker 3: they are.
Speaker 1: Oh lord, that's one.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that there is a group of people
Speaker 3: who don't want a president who's better.
Speaker 1: Yes, they want is it.
Speaker 3: Who resembles their life, and he gives that to them,
Speaker 3: even if it's a made up, tunched up story. With
Speaker 3: the exception of his of his latest record.
Speaker 1: I do want to say, Andrew, I really appreciate what
Speaker 1: you're saying. I think that this is a great time
Speaker 1: to slightly pivot to something very solemn and somber. Speaking
Speaker 1: of low lifes, Donald Trump, as you all know, has
Speaker 1: said that if it's up to him, when he is
Speaker 1: president of the United States, he will grant police officers
Speaker 1: law enforcement immunity. And we just bore witness to the
Speaker 1: tragic murder of Sonya Massey in Springfield, Illinois, she was
Speaker 1: holding a pot of water. She was told to turn
Speaker 1: the stove off so that the pot didn't boil over
Speaker 1: by a sheriff's deputy, and as she put that pot down,
Speaker 1: she was shot and killed. She was shot in the face.
Speaker 1: And when you think about that story, you guys, and
Speaker 1: what is promised, there are so many others. It's so
Speaker 1: unfortunate that we can just erase Sonya's name and put
Speaker 1: in somebody else's, and erase that name and put in
Speaker 1: someone else's. Time and time. It is as old as history.
Speaker 1: It is as long a story as vigilantes chasing after
Speaker 1: enslaved people who escaped. There is a reason we know
Speaker 1: in our souls that qualified immunity does not belong in
Speaker 1: the hands of police officers. They should have to face
Speaker 1: account for what they've done wrong when they've but when
Speaker 1: they commit murder, they should have to face accountability. This
Speaker 1: story is one that's resting heavy on me, y'all. I
Speaker 1: described what happened because I can't bear. I'm just being
Speaker 1: honest with our audience. I've not watched the video. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't. I refuse to look at it. We talked
Speaker 1: about this a little bit, but I just want to
Speaker 1: pause here and just acknowledge to my Frank Quentin Morris,
Speaker 1: who is Sonya's cousin and flagged this for me last week,
Speaker 1: and so I just want to thank him for his
Speaker 1: courage and sharing her story in the midst of their
Speaker 1: family's grief.
Speaker 7: And she called the police, ye, she called for help.
Speaker 7: I did watch the video, not intentionally. It was played
Speaker 7: on CNN one morning and I saw it, and I
Speaker 7: just you know, the only thing I can say that
Speaker 7: body cams have done is given us a better view
Speaker 7: of us being murdered. That's not the issue, you know.
Speaker 7: It really is just a workforce development issue when it
Speaker 7: comes to police officers and their training. It is a
Speaker 7: changing hearts and minds issue to be able to see
Speaker 7: us as human beings, which still unfortunately doesn't happen. And
Speaker 7: it's a funding issue, know, to have better support services
Speaker 7: for when these types of calls are made. But it
Speaker 7: is Angela. You're right not to watch it because you
Speaker 7: can't unsee it once you watch it. But what I
Speaker 7: remember most is, you know, I live in the inner city,
Speaker 7: in downtown, and what I remember thinking is I would
Speaker 7: be afraid to call the police even if there was
Speaker 7: an intruder in my house. I don't know who I
Speaker 7: would fear more, I would feel completely alone and open
Speaker 7: and violated essentially. So this is the reality that we
Speaker 7: face as black people. Black women sometimes get left out
Speaker 7: of the conversation when it comes to police brutality. But
Speaker 7: we've sadly seen from Sandra Bland to do we remember
Speaker 7: the woman's name, who the neighbor came over. This wasn't
Speaker 7: a police shooting, but her neighbor came over and shot her.
Speaker 7: This was last summer Angel.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was, oh my god, sad.
Speaker 7: But the whole point that you can't remember. The sad
Speaker 7: part is there are so many There are so many.
Speaker 6: We are.
Speaker 3: About you know, we weren't lost to the stories. It
Speaker 3: was the technology just helped put it out there for
Speaker 3: the rest of the world. But I have to tell you,
Speaker 3: and it's so sad that it has to go this way.
Speaker 3: But oftentimes the images have to be put out there
Speaker 3: so that the other community gets to get a sense
Speaker 3: of the inhumanity that's visited upon us day in and
Speaker 3: day out. Maybe Til didn't want to have to put
Speaker 3: her baby on the front page of the newspaper. She
Speaker 3: had to endure and re endure that trauma so that
Speaker 3: the silent folks could say and do something different. And
Speaker 3: that's often the story for us, that the imagery has
Speaker 3: to happen and the rewounding you know comes with it,
Speaker 3: that comes with it has to be suffered so that
Speaker 3: those the discontent, the uninterested, now they got to watch.
Speaker 6: And the.
Speaker 7: Good I'm sorry, well, I was just gonna say that
Speaker 7: Edmund Patti's Bridge. When when the white community saw police
Speaker 7: on horseback run down pregnant women, run down children, turn
Speaker 7: their dogs and holes. It wasn't just black men, and
Speaker 7: that's tragic enough, but they literally saw these people like
Speaker 7: they were not animals, and white people across the country said, oh, well,
Speaker 7: this can't be us. We have to do something about this.
Speaker 7: So sometimes there is something putting that imagery out there.
Speaker 7: But I get Angelo's point that we are re traumatized
Speaker 7: the time as happens and having to bear witness to it,
Speaker 7: So I get it.
Speaker 1: I did want to ask you all, given what we
Speaker 1: know happened with George Floyd, and when people had to
Speaker 1: watch and couldn't look away, do you think that it's
Speaker 1: worth it to show people on our podcast the video
Speaker 1: of Sean Grayson feeling son, you're massy.
Speaker 7: No, I don't think well, especially Angel, because you said
Speaker 7: you've been avoiding it, like you've gone out of your way, and.
Speaker 1: I'm a out of the room.
Speaker 7: But we shouldn't. If you feel that song about I mean,
Speaker 7: I just I don't think it's where there may If
Speaker 7: you feel that way, that means ten thousand others, you know.
Speaker 1: And I feel torn because I heard what Andrew said
Speaker 1: about made till you know. I know that there is
Speaker 1: something that is important about witnessing our death. I can't
Speaker 1: wait until that same passion. It's just for our ability
Speaker 1: to live. But it's not here right now. It's like
Speaker 1: it has to our trauma, our death has to be
Speaker 1: witnessed for our humanity to be validated.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: That's it, and so that's why I'm saying, if I
Speaker 1: have to step out so that we might preserve the
Speaker 1: life of one more, I'll do that.
Speaker 7: No, I think people if people want to see it,
Speaker 7: they know how to see it. You know, information's at
Speaker 7: your fingertips. I don't think we need to take our time.
Speaker 7: I think if it offends or upsets one, it offends
Speaker 7: or upsets all. And as co hosts. We should just say, okay,
Speaker 7: we've just bribe what happened. People can go see it.
Speaker 7: They they know, you know, we've seen this time and
Speaker 7: time again. And I, you know, Angel, I didn't think
Speaker 7: about this deeply. I probably need to give you some
Speaker 7: more thought. But there was some trauma that I definitely
Speaker 7: carried with me after twenty twenty, like after COVID, after
Speaker 7: the unrest in all the communities after because George Floyd
Speaker 7: was not the only person, like we saw time and
Speaker 7: again reality, Yeah, exactly exactly. It was just two.
Speaker 3: Days before him the New York Times Central Central Park
Speaker 3: where the neighbor goes Karen on the man and the yeah,
Speaker 3: the birdwise, So.
Speaker 1: It didn't you know in my home, I'm in Washington State,
Speaker 1: you know, my hometown. Sorry, really quick, outside right outside
Speaker 1: of my hometown is an area called Tacoma. Manny Ellis
Speaker 1: was also shy and killed or killed in the same
Speaker 1: way as George Floyd. Right, So like we literally we
Speaker 1: cannot as a geographically, we can't escape it after we
Speaker 1: reach a certain age. We can't escape it by gender,
Speaker 1: you know, we can't escape it. Because you live in
Speaker 1: a progressive area. You know, you cannot escape the whatever
Speaker 1: racism and supremacy is ingrained in training or the lack thereof,
Speaker 1: because they want to spend more money on training and equipment,
Speaker 1: we cannot escape it. And so there needs to be
Speaker 1: someplace where we are fully liberated and allowed to thrive.
Speaker 1: We need to have some type of law enforcement that
Speaker 1: truly is here to protect and serve all, not just so.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and just for historical context, the police industry itself
Speaker 7: is rooted in white supremacy. Yeah, they swow their ranks.
Speaker 7: Because I've talked about this on the podcast before, in
Speaker 7: the early part of last century, there was so much
Speaker 7: violent vigilanteism that resulted in our death It wasn't that
Speaker 7: they were like, oh, we got to sow down these deaths.
Speaker 7: It was oh, these killing needs to be more organized.
Speaker 7: And so the local commissions that were formed essentially said,
Speaker 7: you can shoot a black person, beat a black person,
Speaker 7: murder a black person, but you gotta be wearing a
Speaker 7: badge while you do it. And that is how police
Speaker 7: units were formed. They were never meant torect protect us.
Speaker 7: They were protecting their community from us, and it's hard
Speaker 7: for us to unlearn that. So that's why there are
Speaker 7: so much distrust.
Speaker 3: And the further truth, of course, is the prison industrial complex,
Speaker 3: which is like trying to kill few of them so
Speaker 3: we can actually get them in prison yep, and pull
Speaker 3: down that that government money for forty years. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: is horrible that our community's trauma is sort of the
Speaker 3: deposit that we make into the well of being viewed
Speaker 3: for that moment as human.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we have time. I don't want to shift us secretly.
Speaker 7: I know we're coming up on time and we're going
Speaker 7: a little over, but do we have time for one
Speaker 7: more listening? Just because we got so many? Do we
Speaker 7: have time for one more listener? Question? All right, we
Speaker 7: got one more of you were questioned Nick Road at tape.
Speaker 6: Greetings, Native lampod I have a question. My name is
Speaker 6: Kimberly Archie. I'm originally from Seattle, Washington. I now reside
Speaker 6: in uh Plidel Carma in Mexico. Hey, Angela, my question
Speaker 6: is this, with Kamala Harris being endorsed as the candidate
Speaker 6: for the Democrats, how can she navigate uh and push
Speaker 6: forward a platform that may differ from Biden's platform when
Speaker 6: she is still as when she's still vice president. I
Speaker 6: don't understand how she's going to be able to be
Speaker 6: strategic but also navigate those waters at the same time.
Speaker 6: How does that happen? You guys have some ideas.
Speaker 1: Love it as missus Archie. So Miss Archie, there's so much,
Speaker 1: There's so much history, inaab Axo skiing all the things.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the two O six speaking of whish
Speaker 1: let me do this before I forget. I'm at Converge
Speaker 1: Media in the Black Media Matter Studio and I'm just
Speaker 1: so grateful for them for my flowers today and for
Speaker 1: hosting us. That's great. Now, Miss Archie, here's what I
Speaker 1: would say. In order for Kamala to even be able
Speaker 1: to differentiate and divert a little bit from this agenda,
Speaker 1: and she has to do that to campaign. I don't
Speaker 1: think that she has to pooh pooh what's been accomplished
Speaker 1: with Joe Biden. I also think that she has to
Speaker 1: be clear about not owning the fullness and the totality
Speaker 1: of his record. There are things in that record that
Speaker 1: people are not super excited about. We've talked about them
Speaker 1: on the podcast. But she should absolutely tout his accomplishments
Speaker 1: and her specifically where she was front and center on
Speaker 1: reproductive justice, on maternal health, on some of the things
Speaker 1: that she believes are accomplishments around the border. I also
Speaker 1: think that there are places where she legitimately has policy
Speaker 1: differences from Joe Biden. She can make those points clear
Speaker 1: in a debate and on her platform on the website,
Speaker 1: which is still currently being formulated. So those are my
Speaker 1: short answers.
Speaker 7: I love that, and I think she's gonna have to Angela.
Speaker 7: I think she's going to have to distinguish herself and
Speaker 7: lead with courage and conviction on where she you know,
Speaker 7: where there may have been some daylight between her, between
Speaker 7: her and President Biden. Look, I think you know, I've
Speaker 7: been hearing a lot of the chattering class say, well,
Speaker 7: nobody's ever voted for her before, and they cannot be
Speaker 7: more wrong. Michael Harriet with The Grio wrote a great
Speaker 7: piece talking about how many elections she's won. People have
Speaker 7: voted for her multiple times. So she's very equipped with
Speaker 7: unfamiliar with being the principal on a campaign. And I
Speaker 7: hope that my wish for her is that she would
Speaker 7: come out and not follow polls, you know, not listen
Speaker 7: to the consultants as as you all talked about, but
Speaker 7: listen to some of you know, the people who are
Speaker 7: lay people you know who may not traffic in politics,
Speaker 7: but the people who will be inspired to vote for her.
Speaker 7: So I really hope that she does that. I think
Speaker 7: we gotta do calls to action.
Speaker 1: It is definitely time for cause to action. Mine is
Speaker 1: to challenge the folks who have been trafficking in myths
Speaker 1: and misinformation about Kamala Harris's record as prosecutor, about her
Speaker 1: record as senator, about her record as vice president, that
Speaker 1: you actually check yourself before you wreck yourself. Boo boo.
Speaker 1: And that goes for folks on all sides of the spectrum,
Speaker 1: folks who are in our community and out folks who
Speaker 1: we may know, Like, just be really careful, careful about
Speaker 1: what you put out there before fact checking. It's not hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: got Google, you can check your source. Tiffany on another podcast,
Speaker 1: say you how to cite your source. Make sure your
Speaker 1: sources are accurate, right, But like, let's be very clear
Speaker 1: about the fact that this is arm's length away. Don't
Speaker 1: just say things because they're hyperbolic. Make sure you have
Speaker 1: the facts about who this person is. The election is
Speaker 1: one hundred than three days away, Tiffany, and.
Speaker 7: I'll go quickly because mine is a shout out and
Speaker 7: a CTA and it is to my beloved dear brother
Speaker 7: who is such a fan of both of you are.
Speaker 7: My brother's name is dayt one, and he is like,
Speaker 7: we all disagree on this podcast, and like, my brother
Speaker 7: is never afraid to tell me, like yo, I was
Speaker 7: feeling like, but Angie, that's my dude, like he was saying.
Speaker 7: So he feels like he knows y'all. You know, he
Speaker 7: definitely feels like, yeah, you talked to it was the phone.
Speaker 7: But he's a fan. Like on the road, he listens
Speaker 7: to this podcast like the second it drops. My brother
Speaker 7: is my number one fan. He's always out there listening.
Speaker 7: So that is my shout out to him. But my
Speaker 7: call to action is please be safe drivers on the
Speaker 7: road because I worry about my brother every day, uh
Speaker 7: driving the big rig and so y'all be careful. Don't
Speaker 7: be cutting these trucks off and give yourself room. And
Speaker 7: if you can't see the driver, the driver can't see you.
Speaker 7: So that is my call to action today and just
Speaker 7: telling my brother I love him dearly and thank him for.
Speaker 4: All I love.
Speaker 3: That be safety real quick. Following up on Angela's thing
Speaker 3: about fact checking. Just if you're gonna go to your
Speaker 3: social media platforms and post abou Kamala Harris, will you
Speaker 3: will you just do me the favor of maybe posting
Speaker 3: a positive something that is inspiring you about the campaign
Speaker 3: before you start digging directly into the thing you don't like.
Speaker 3: We're not electing Jesus, He's already been determined decided. You're
Speaker 3: you're electing a president who is human and fallible, and
Speaker 3: there isn't a person on earth I must believe that
Speaker 3: you would agree with one hundred percent of the time.
Speaker 3: So instead of that instinct that we all have to
Speaker 3: post and let our differences be known with the whomever
Speaker 3: person in power, maybe check that for a minute, put
Speaker 3: it on the back burner. That's not to say don't
Speaker 3: have critiques, but maybe make your first or second or
Speaker 3: whatever post about this race be what might be inspiring
Speaker 3: you around considering, supporting, voting for her. And then lastly
Speaker 3: arrived with five, it's time to work, y'all. Angel has
Speaker 3: already given us a number of days. We're almost, you know,
Speaker 3: fewer than one hundred days to the to the election,
Speaker 3: and our communities are not going to organize themselves, and
Speaker 3: to the extent that they are, they need bodies to
Speaker 3: make it effective. So arrive at the post, bring five
Speaker 3: people with you.
Speaker 1: I love it well. Thank you all so much. By
Speaker 1: the time we're back, maybe it'll be Harris Shapiro, maybe
Speaker 1: it'll be Harris Kelly, maybe it'll be Harris Cooper. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be Harris for share. Let's see
Speaker 1: if I'm a betting woman. Let's see, I bet y'all
Speaker 1: five dollars. It ain't that y'all know the you gotta
Speaker 1: five people in Kentucky, but we don't see anyway. As
Speaker 1: we said, there are one hundred and three days left
Speaker 1: until the election. We're gonna keep saying it on this podcast.
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