WEBVTT - Kamala 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.600 Native Lampard is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:04.840 Reason Choice Media. 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:10.880 Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, who Welcome home to the Native 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.520 Landing on the podcast based that's it for greatness sixteen minutes. 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:16.800 It's so hit, not too long for the grape shit, 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:19.599 high level combo politics in a way that you could 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.320 taste it then digest it. Politics touches you even if 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:24.119 you don't touch it. 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:25.239 So get invested. 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.320 Across the t's and dop the i's, get them back 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.120 to get them staying on business with ride. 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And in the next one 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.800 hundred and five days, then we have work to do. 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.040 We have doors to knock on, we have phone calls 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.560 to make, we have voters to register, and. 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.720 We have an election to win. 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.559 Welcome home, y'all, this is Native lampod It is episode 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.200 twenty nine. It's flying by, just like these days as 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:37.280 we get closer and closer to the election. Frankly, it 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:39.520 was the best of times, it was the worst of times, 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:41.960 and it is, of course the story of our lives. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.160 Among us, there is equal parts celebration and grief. There 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:51.200 are many who are so excited about Pamala Harris's ascension 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.720 to the top of the ticket, and there are still 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.360 so many among us who are grieving the loss and 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:01.200 the tragic murder of Sonya Massey. And so today we'll 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.560 talk about both of those things and everything in between. 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.680 We welcome you home. We asked for just a brief 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:19.040 moment of silence to honor Sonya Massey. So here we are. 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.679 We are on the other side of Joe Biden stepping 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:27.360 down from running for president. He decided that he would 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:32.600 not be running this amiss, having COVID being quarantined in 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.240 Delaware and passing the torch to Kamala Harris as he 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.919 promised to do four years ago. To be clear, So 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.480 I want to hear y'all way in on all the things. 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:43.720 A lot can change in a week. 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:44.040 Man. 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.960 We were just here talking about what we really felt 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.040 about folks pushing Joe Biden telling him that it was 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.480 time to go. Andrew, you had some strong thoughts. I 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.560 had some strong thoughts. Tiff was feeling torn both ways. 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:57.600 Where do y'all stand now? 0:02:59.040 --> 0:02:59.720 Well, what's up? 0:02:59.760 --> 0:02:59.919 Said? 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:05.160 Yes, because the ground, the ground has shifted and Tiffany, 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.799 you're looking great over there, Angela looking great. Is good 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.960 to be back with y'all, especially after last week where 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:15.280 we let all of our thoughts come unfettered, unchecked. It 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.480 was the real and honestly, I know that we all 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.239 work every week to try to make sure that we're 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.640 bringing our full selves. But Angela, the conversation that Tiff 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:29.320 helped facilitate for us really put us in everybody's living room, 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.680 because it's the fight that everybody seems to be having 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.640 with a close relative, a husband or a spouse, child, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.200 a relative of any sort. And I will tell you 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.840 this much have my family with you and half of 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.480 them with me, but at this point, every one of 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:50.760 them is thrilled, excited that Kamala Harris is the VP choice. 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:52.840 And I'm talking about people who used to be critics 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:57.440 the day before turned completely solidly behind her. It's been 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:58.840 pretty pretty crazy to watch. 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:03.360 I think it's crazy that, you know, we recorded this 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:08.280 podcast and then an assassination attempt on the former president 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.560 of the United States was such a huge story and 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.720 by the weekend, by Sunday, that was now old news. 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:18.839 Then you know, you had this crazy shift in politics 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.920 which happens, as we all know, when Vice President Harris 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:23.800 became the front runner and at the top of the ticket. 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.800 And I have to say, I think, you know, prior 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.360 to that, I felt rather apathetic. We talked about that 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.960 on the last episode and something about seeing her take 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.320 the helm. I've shared a stage with her before. Angela. 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.640 I'm pretty sure you shared a stage with her before. Andrew, 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:45.520 you have a relationship with her. It's interesting how this happened. 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.640 And I wonder was there any other way a black 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:50.039 woman was going to be on the top of the 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:54.159 ticket were it not for this confluence of tragedy and 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.200 absolute desperation. And I'll take us back to two thousand 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.680 and eight when Obama became the nominee. Then it was 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:05.919 also ann obscene level of angst and circumstance happening. Coming 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:12.040 off the George W. Bush presidency. The country was in 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.680 a rapid decline, financially and people were desperate, and it's like, well, 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.200 let's just had a black guy try it. This time, 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.120 we're in the same position. So, you know, a lot 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.520 of people have been talking about well, you know, I 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.600 wonder if she can win and if I see one 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.159 more pull and pull my hair out and scream. I 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.960 think we have to prepare for the shifting demographics in 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:36.640 this country and start voting with our conviction and not 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.359 looking to see who might white folks support. Vote with 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.640 your conviction. When we were in a group chat and 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.520 then somebody kept saying, oh, but will the public feel this? 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:46.480 Will the public feel this way? And one of our 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.000 good friends, Aaron Haynes with the Nineteenth who does great work, 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.159 she said, you you are the public. And I think 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.000 that's such an important reminder for the folks tuning in today. 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:58.039 You are the public. And she will define herself in 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.200 her own way. Having been the Vice pre is it 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.440 in this administration. This will be a time for her 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.240 distinct to distinguish herself and the differences between she and 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.240 President Biden. So I you know, I do not feel 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.599 as apathetic. I feel encouraged, I feel hopeful. I also 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:17.960 feel nervous because as we you know, applow forward to November. 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.520 I am reminded that a significant amount of these people 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.640 have already decided that election results don't matter, that they 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.960 just simply will not accept a result that they don't like. 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.480 So I think this wind has to be a decisive 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.279 win for her. I want to know from you guys. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.919 I know we're all excited and hopeful, but what is 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.880 the thing keeping you up at night as we barrow forward? 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:39.080 Like? 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.440 What are the things we were thinking about, whether they're 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.120 rational or irrational? And you know what are y'all al 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:45.120 most concerned about? 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:49.080 Answer? 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.400 Oh, I was different to you. Well, I want to 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.400 stay on the hope for a minute, because we got 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.640 a whole episode to talk through all the angst and 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.320 the worry and the stress and all of that, and. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.920 An Angela before where you go there? Tiff asked the 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:05.080 question in her comments, No, no, no, She asked the 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:08.880 question and said, would we have imagined that the only 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.640 way that a black woman would be set up to 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.280 ascend into, you know, the presidency is the way that 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:22.000 it occurred? And Tiff Gerald Ford anticipated that question for 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.840 you and he wanted you to hear this response. 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.800 Mister Ford, what advice would you give a young lady 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.720 wanting to become president of the United States. 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.720 Well, I hope we do have a young lady at 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:43.800 some point become president of the United States. I can 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:47.760 tell you how I think it will happen. That's you, Tiff, 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:54.760 because it won't happen. In the normal course of events, 0:07:55.840 --> 0:08:02.040 either the Republican or Democrat political party will nominate a 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:06.400 man for president and a woman for vice president, and 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:10.080 the woman and man will win. So you'll end up 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:16.080 with a president a male, and a vice president a female, 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:20.160 and in that term of office of the president, the 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:21.760 president will die. 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.440 That didn't happen, and the woman. 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:30.080 Will become president under the law. And once that barrier 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:37.200 is broken, from then on, men better be careful because 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:41.640 they'll have a hard hard time ever even getting a 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.240 nomination in the future. But that's the way it's going 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:45.800 to happen. 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.520 I just thought it was so he killed a man 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:51.040 in the clip. 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:56.840 That's why it wasn't going to this maculating all online everywhere, 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:58.560 and I was like, now, why are we playing this 0:08:58.600 --> 0:08:59.720 where he did off this man? 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.800 Anyway, I hadn't seen it. That was my first time. 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.520 I think that was a great tea up. He was 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:11.480 forecasting what would happen absolutely decades later, Sands the killing 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.079 of President significance. 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:17.480 Yeah, but but it's so crazy that at that time 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.040 he could not conceive of a woman on her own 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:24.160 outright running and receiving the nomination. That the way it 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.679 would happen in America one day is a man or 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.480 a woman would get together. The man will be president, 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.720 the woman vice president, and she'll ascend through some crisis 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:33.400 in the office. 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.960 Well, when a black woman, that's a whole other situation too. 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:42.000 Well, speaking of black women in my excitement, you guys know, 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.280 I have a uniform that I like to wear every week, 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.480 and this week I'm slightly at a dress codes. Soho 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:52.760 I could just wear this, Oh. 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.280 I got my sweatd wait, take your Can you take 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:56.319 your jacket off? Because I didn't see the back the photos. 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.200 I love it. You know, everybody's going to I know 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:00.959 how they can get that. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:02.679 I don't know. You got to ask Jerry if he'll 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.600 run that thing back from twenty twenty. But in the meantime, 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:07.600 this is fear of God. I'm fear of God all 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:11.480 day to day. But yes, I just got to tell 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:17.040 you I have delighted in the brief reprieve that we've 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.000 had from some of the griefs that we've experienced as 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.720 a people, as a culture in this country right now, 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:26.319 just to celebrate this moment. I was delighted that Joe 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:30.200 Biden kept his commitment to Kamala Harris. I am delighted 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.480 at like watching her shine. Like one of the things 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.200 I think we've said a lot on this podcast, and 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.920 it pissed a lot of folks off initially, is that 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.600 Kamala when you're just one on one with her, is 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:40.600 this incredible? 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:45.520 Harris? Say again, Oh, I'm just calling her vice president 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.000 Harris because people, you know, people always get very familiar. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.520 But I know you know her personally. I'm literally about 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:52.360 to tell a personal story. So if you just roll 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.400 with me for a minute. Even her campaign signs right 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:55.199 now say Kamala. 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:56.880 So I think I'm safe and they know I deeply 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.680 respect this woman and her role in her office and 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:02.480 who she is as a person. But I was getting 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.160 ready to say, was when you're in those one on 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:09.560 one moments with Kamala the individual, She's very warm, she's 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.160 very cool, she's very down to earth, and I'm so 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.480 excited that people are going to get to see that 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.800 side of her as well as the prosecutor side. So 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.240 on that point, I really wanted to ask y'all on 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.319 the other side of her raising more than one hundred 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.200 million dollars so far for everybody was like, who said 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.880 she couldn't do it? Small dollar donors stepped up and said, 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.800 yes she can, right, Folks came out and they said 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.320 they're going phone bank. My dad volunteered my mom to 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:38.320 be a Kamala Harris volunteer, and Mama Rah was smiling 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:41.520 instead of being like you know that apathy turned to 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:46.320 astonishing excitement just overnight, and so I join you in 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.280 that tiff. The question I have is one that TIF 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.560 and I were about to debate on a side chat 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:56.200 a few days ago, and that is this, should Kamala 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:01.080 Harris debate Donald Trump? And if she should, should it 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:02.720 be on Fox? Where are we not? 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:06.280 So? Yes? 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.600 First, yeah, I well, one, I think absolutely she's ready 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.080 and willing, but I can almost guarantee another debate will 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:15.000 not happen. Donald Trump does not want to square up 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.920 with Vice President Harris on a stage we all saw, 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:20.920 you know, Joe Biden was president. Biden was not ready 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.120 for the moment, and so I think even in her 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.840 speech the first time we heard from her after she 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.800 ascended to the potential nominee because the convention is not 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.160 for a few weeks, but the potential Democratic nominee, she said, 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.880 I am a prosecutor. I've prosecuted all types of people, 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.680 and she went on to, you know, describe these criminals 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.240 that all are. You know, the would be appeasable Trump 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.600 to write to former President Trump. So I think he 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.400 would be incredibly intimidated by her. I think he lacks 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.440 the maturity to stand across from her and wait his 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.520 turn to speak. I think he lacks the intellectual engagement 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.920 to be able to articulate any clear point. I think 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.760 the conversation would shift from Joe Biden being older to 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.120 Donald Trump being older, which it should have already been 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.320 there because he routinely made these incoherent statements even on 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.079 that debate. But the media loves to, you know, chase 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.160 one headline over the other. I do not think it 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:15.559 should be on Fox News. And this is why Angela, 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:17.640 I don't know what that would get her. You're not 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:22.000 gaining any more voters. That is not a legitimate news organization. 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.599 It is a propaganda network. They do not adhere to 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:27.800 the rules. As you all know. I've appeared on Fox 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.360 News when I very first started doing television, and they 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.160 would do things like, Hey, you're coming on to talk 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.160 about this topic, and then they would switch it at 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.480 the last minute, and somehow all the other guests knew 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.360 that they were going to switch topics, and it, you know, 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:40.360 spring it on me. We're going to talk about North Korea. 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.960 It was fine. I'd stay ready, so it was I 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.920 was able to flow. But they do that kind of trickery. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:47.920 I just don't know what it gets her. I don't 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.640 know why she would lend her face, her platform, her 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:58.439 viewers to this network that traffics in misinformation, disinformation, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.360 et cetera. So I'm a strong no on appearing on 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.360 Fox News and having anything to do with them that 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.360 influences their bottom line. 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.960 You know, Tiff, I would I would agree with you 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.959 all the way, probably up to that point, except for 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:13.640 the fact I don't want to get no pro season 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.120 profits by any of us putting our eyes on the 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.000 station to watch the debate, So that would be an objection. 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:24.080 But if you're Kamala Harris, Vice President Harris, I'm guessing 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.560 the reason you would do it is because you are 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:31.720 putting yourself in position to tear away voters who would 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.760 otherwise never consider you. And now that they've been able 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.760 to put you side by side with the guy they 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.800 thought was, you know, next to christ he's looking kind 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:45.600 of whack. And I'm telling you, I just think I 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:51.320 think she doesn't risk her base, and she potentially gains 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:53.600 new ground, but. 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:58.880 That legitimizes and normalizes a terrible problematic platform that's literally 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:03.120 think ahoots with foreign agents, foreign governments. Like at some point, 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.600 like you have to draw the line, like stop chasing 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:09.720 creable what the gain would not be worth the risk? 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.120 What is the Washington Correspondence don't they don't they get 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.400 credentialed by others quote unquote they do? 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:20.720 I think the Washington Correspondents Association, yes, or the White 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:24.640 I'm sorry, the White House Correspondents Association. They credential Fox 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:26.840 News that right, but that is also something that's been 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:28.800 up for debate, and you know. 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.880 Subject credential. I only ask because they get those credentials, 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.840 which means they are by and large looked at as 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:39.840 a fair balanced you know, legitimate news source, and so 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:41.920 so long as that's going to be the case, I 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.240 think we're just sort of really arguing amongst ourselves, and 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.640 we're not the ones who need convincing. It's those listeners 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.440 over there who already have a bar so low set 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:55.520 for her. They don't have any expectation for this quote DEI, 0:15:56.040 --> 0:16:01.880 vice president nominee for Democratic Party for president. They literally 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.800 disregard her resume. This one's got more experience than JJD 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:07.600 events has been in the Senate less than two years. 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.120 This woman has. Anyway, my point is is they got 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:15.160 no expectation for her performing at a functional level. 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.360 I think if you look at the demographics of the 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.880 Fox News viewer, which I have for the first book 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.240 I wrote, they are I want to say, maybe ninety 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:27.560 four percent white. Incredibly, and don't quote me on that. 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.760 The the numbers could have changed, so forgive me because 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.840 I can't cite my source in this moment. Probably numbers 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:35.440 could have changed, but they have since because the conservative 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.560 media is now so decentralized with other platforms like OAM 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:45.240 and Newsmax and you know, other outlets, they still continue 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.720 to be the jaggernaut. They still dominate the ratings, they 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:52.680 still lap MSNBC and everybody's lapping CNN, including US, so 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:58.760 they do have a significant amount of viewership. My argument, though, Andrew, 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:03.760 is I do not believe those people are convincible and 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.840 like they can watch her on other platforms. I think 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.879 there is a significant amount of danger in legitimizing that 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.280 type of platform. And I don't believe that the viewers 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.359 who overwhelmingly watch Fox are even receptive. I think they 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:25.679 are willfully ignorant to policies and the things that are 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:29.280 promoted on that network. I think that network allows them 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.080 to traffic in racism. I think it allows them it 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:36.240 validates the feelings that they have about migrants, even if 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:40.680 it's a completely scripted narrative from Fox News. So I 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.760 just I would strongly discourage her. But Angela, you asked 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.320 the question and you haven't answered, so I want to 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:46.800 hear what you. 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.800 Yeah, so, tif you know, this is where I disagree. 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.840 I feel like she needs to go, like the evangelists, 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:54.480 to the four corners of the Earth to go find 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.240 these votes. I am not saying, however, that she should 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.199 have one hundreds of million dollars spin to go find 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.160 nikkiy Haley voters. But in the event that she could 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.560 cop some of them, why not go on Fox. I 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:07.280 think there are a lot of platforms she should go on, 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.200 including Joe Rogan's and a bunch of other folks who 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.879 maybe we don't listen to, but some folks who do 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.800 and are persuadable can hear her there because they're not 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.480 tuning into MS, they're not tuning into seeing in, they're 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.399 not watching some of the pods and listening to some 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.600 of our friends who we know are brilliant and dope 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.639 and write and great thing pieces on Kamala. So I think, 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:29.560 if she don't have anything to lose, what in the 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.040 hell does she have to lose? Nothing, go get the votes. 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.360 Man, Well, the next debate will put more eyes on her, 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.760 then will be on her prior to election day. 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:38.840 Yeah, it will be the. 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:44.440 Largest concentrated audience in the country between now and election day. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:48.639 And second, you know, the second point is is I 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.720 would disagree with you slightly, Angela with regard to sort 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:57.600 of saturate the conservative talking heads and whatever platform media 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:01.840 platforms if you're Tamala Harris, and I think having attempted 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.800 something similar in campaigning in all sixty seven counties of 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.440 Florida and camping out in some of these really red areas. 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:09.679 Is that we also serve as a bit of a 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:15.440 reminder and organizer for the kind of vitriolic pushback that 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.359 they would normally heap on us, you know, on a 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:23.760 regular day. But if they were thinking about not voting, 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:28.360 my very presence and their space and their local television, 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:33.160 you know market was enough to agitate them to show 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.639 up on election day and make sure I would not 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.120 become governor of Florida. And so I do think that 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:42.959 there are some platforms that make some sense a network 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.960 hosting a debate that will get more global, global audience, 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.800 larger than any other between non election day. 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:50.919 Yes, I had something to say about that on the 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:53.000 other side of the break, because I know we'd the break, 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:54.919 but I got a response right after this break, so 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:56.920 stay tuned. On the other side, I got something to say, 0:19:57.480 --> 0:19:57.919 say it. 0:19:58.040 --> 0:19:58.680 Say it man. 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.159 Before I was elected Vice president, before I was elected 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.440 the United States Senator, I was elected attorney general of 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.760 the state of California, and I was a courtroom prosecutor 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:28.800 before them, and in those rules I took on perpetrators 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:39.359 of all kinds, predators who abused women, fraudsters who ripped 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:45.440 off consumers, cheaters who broke the rules. 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:46.080 For their own gain. 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:54.760 So hear me when I say I know Donald Trump's type. 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:56.560 If I want to hear what you got to say. 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:58.399 But I also want to get into whether or not 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.879 we think that's an effective line to go ahead. But 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:03.840 I'm going to answer you a question because I think 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.520 that's right along the lines of what I have to say. Yes, 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:09.879 I think that is an effective line to receptive people. 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:13.000 I do not believe Fox News viewers would ever be 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:15.880 persuaded by that. I think they would look at who 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:19.480 is this upity, you know what, telling this white man 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:22.560 that he's a criminal. And she ought to be happy 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:24.320 to be in this position, she ought to be grateful 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:25.199 to be in this country. 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:29.760 We've already heard the Senator J. D Vance, the vice 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.800 presidential nominee on the Republican side, say that he never 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.560 hears her express gratitude for being in this country. I 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:39.480 think we're expecting intellect from people who have none. They 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:44.399 have no curiosity even about it. So I love that line. 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.880 I do think, and we've talked about this a little 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:49.240 bit in our group chat. I do think there are 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:52.840 some people who you know it will become a trope. 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.159 You know that she was a prosecutor because there are 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.960 a significant amount of people in this country who don't 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:02.240 necessarily understand the roles prosecutors play, and previously they've only 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:04.720 been painted as playing a horrible role and lacking up 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:09.719 black men. Statistically, that's not true about Vice President Harris 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.000