1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: What's up everybody walking to Move the Sticks presented body 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: the Ford f Series, DJ, Bucky Here and Buck Let's 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: jump in Real quick started off last night big NFC 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: East matchup Redskins Eagles, and uh, the first take for 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: me is just I thought, you know, Wentz is gonna 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: be the start of the show. We'll get into plenty 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: about Carson Wentzon, the way he played. I thought Cousins 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: played well as well. I thought both those teams offensively 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: did a nice job. I think the Eagles defense a 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: little bit better than that washing Redskins defense. Absolutely. I 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: think the common theme that we are beginning to see 13 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: the top teams, um, we've talked about it. You've talked 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: about it specifically about investing in the front forward, investing 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: in the front seven. When I look at the Philadelphia 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: Eagles and what they have up front, the wave of 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: bodies that they can throw at you on that defensive line, 18 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: it's scary when you just think about the amount of 19 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: guys that they have the fact that their first round 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: pick Derek Barr and Chris long Play on the second 21 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: team speaks volumes about what they have. Fletcher Cox is 22 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: the guy that is the leader, Brandon Graham coming off 23 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: the edge, um Vinny Curry, so many other guys that 24 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: they're able to just throw at you. That guys are 25 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: playing at a max thirty snaps, but they're dominating in 26 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: that limited action. They may have revealed the blueprint that 27 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: we know Jacksonville follows, but that might be the blueprint 28 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: to getting it done. Having eight or nine bodies on 29 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: the defensive line that can come at you and waves. 30 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: I agree with you whole hardly. Just the line shift 31 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: they throw out. There always fresh bodies, they can all 32 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: hunt the quarterback. And they won that game. I believe it. 33 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: Linebacker was Nag Good, Nigel Bradham, and because injuries, Joe Walker. 34 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: Those are the linebackers in that game. But and and 35 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: the in cornerwise, I know Jalen Mills is playing pretty well. 36 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: Patrick Robinson has been. It's been okay. They're good at safety, 37 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: but corner not great linebacker. Bunch of bunch of you 38 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: know guys people aren't really familiar with. In this contest, 39 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: they're so dominant up front, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. 40 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: And I go back to my time at Carolina. We 41 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl where two undrafted players playing 42 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: cornerback Terry Cousins Reggie Howard, but upfront Julius Peppers, Chris Jenkins, 43 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: Michael Rutger, uh Brentson Buckner. If you're really good at 44 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: the defensive line, it massed so many flaws that you 45 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: may have at other places because the quarterback doesn't have time. 46 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm beginning to think that the best evaluate is the 47 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: best team builders. They understand, yes, you have to get 48 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: a quarterback, but they also understand that the game is 49 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: one up front and it used to just be passed 50 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: versus on the outside. But it's a collection of guys 51 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: inside and outside that can hunt the quarterback. And it it 52 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: Wentz was awesome in this game. The interception, when I 53 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: went back and watch it this morning on tape, really 54 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: I thought Tory Smith kind of took the wrong path. 55 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: It was a post. He thought he was gonna keep 56 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: it tight and skinny, so he threw it up over 57 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: the top and Torrey ended up cutting across the field 58 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: a little. But it's a little miscommunication on that interception. Otherwise, 59 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: Carson was outstanding. I think one of the things that 60 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: jumps out to me. People point to that Houdini act 61 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: to him escaping. You don't appreciate just how big and 62 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: strong that dude is unless you stand next to him. 63 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: He is huge, and he is athletic. Um, he's look, 64 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: he's he's a legitimate MVP candidate. It's not like it's 65 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: all he's one to file out. He's one of like 66 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: two or three. He's right there in that mix. Oh absolutely, 67 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: I think here's here's the funny thing. And I made 68 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: the comparison when he was coming out. Um, when I 69 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: looked at him in North Dakota State. The first thing 70 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: I wrote in my notes after I was done with 71 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: all the notes, whatever I wrote down comparison Cam Newton. 72 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: And the reason I compared him to Cam Newton at 73 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: the time was his physical stature, his arm talent, and 74 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: his running prowess. Like we didn't get an opportunity to 75 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: really see him his first year in Philadelphia actually use 76 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: his legs to the level that he could. But what 77 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: we're seeing now is he's a legitimate duel three at quarterback. 78 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: They don't use him in that capacity, but when you 79 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: see them do zone read stuff. When you see him 80 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: scrambling by time, to me, He is a better version 81 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: right now of what Cam Newton is and could be 82 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: in terms of playing the game in a very traditional 83 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: fashion while also bringing other stuff to the table. I'm 84 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: gonna get to my college report in a second on 85 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: on Carson, but before I do, Um reached out some 86 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: of residing to it. I think with Dan Orlovsky actually 87 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: reached out and said, uh, has anybody used a comparison 88 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: for Steve McNair with wins And I was around McNair 89 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: with the Ravens and in the back. Steve's a little 90 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: bit shorter, but strong as an ox in the pocket too, 91 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: you couldn't get him down tough. I think there's some 92 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: comparison there. Obviously McNair is a great athlete and get 93 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: out and make plays with his legs. Uh. Carson does 94 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: some of the same things, so it's not a bad 95 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: comparison there. Here's my college report. Buck two year starter 96 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: quarterback for the Bison. Um lines up under center in 97 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: the gun, quick feeting and set up throws from a wide, 98 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: firm base. He's quick to work through progressions, throws with 99 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: touch and anticipation. He's accurate underneath and intermediate. Has been 100 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: a little consistent with his deep ball accuracy. He wasn't 101 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: last night. Uh quick release. It's a long release, but 102 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: it's quick. He can throw from a variety of arm angles. 103 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: The ball doesn't jump out of his hand, but he 104 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: has plenty of a lossy to make all the throws. 105 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: I think his arm is even a little bit better 106 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: than that. Very athletic to create plays with his legs. 107 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: He's effective on design QB runs, extremely, extremely tough to 108 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: hang in the pocket versus pressure. He's played well in 109 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: big games. Overall, Wentz has an enticing blend of size, 110 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: ability and toughness. Don't be fooled by his level of competition. 111 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: He's a big time talent. I mean he is a 112 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: big time talent. I'm looking back at some of these 113 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: quotes that I have on them. The comparison in terms 114 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: of comparing him to Cam Newton comes from watching Playing 115 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: the Fall, watching execute some of the tactics and concepts 116 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: that Cam did for the Panthers, design quarterback runs, draws, powers, 117 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: z one read things. A creative offense coordinator could implement 118 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: some of those things to take advantage of his unique athleticism. 119 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: People have talked about Joe Flacco or some other guys, 120 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: but he's far more athletic than that. He's not necessarily 121 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: the physical specimen that Cam is, but he's big body, 122 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: athletic quarterback who's comfortable running and putting his body in 123 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: harm's way. And I think we saw that last night 124 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: when you add in the pieces of like the armed talent, 125 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: his pocket presence, what he's really been able to do, 126 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: controlling the game at the line of scrimmage, and really, 127 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: like I don't think Doug Peterson frank right, those guys 128 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: have got enough credit for what they've done. They have 129 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: really put together an offense that is very similar to 130 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: what he did in North Dakota State, and he's thriving. 131 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: We saw him have full command and mastery of the 132 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: offense last night, particularly in the fourth quarter when they 133 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: let him kind of call his own plays. I mean, 134 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: I think you're seeing a star kind of grow on 135 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: the big stage right in front of our eyes. No question. 136 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: Let's flip it over to the Redskins side real quick 137 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: before we move on Chirk Cousins Buck. The Redskins don't 138 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: want to pay him all that money. Somebody's gonna do it. 139 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,679 Speaker 1: He played good last night, shooting thirties thirty or forty 140 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: for over three d yards, three touches in a pick uh, 141 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: and he got hit constantly in that football game. I 142 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: think Cousins, you can debate, you know, is he a 143 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: top ten quarterback. I think you can have that debate. 144 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: I don't think you can have a debate on whether 145 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: he's a top twelve quarterback. In that mix, I think 146 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: he's firmly in that mix. I mean, I think he's 147 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: in that. He's certainly in that mix. I think when 148 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: you make the dividing line the top fifteen he is. 149 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: He's there. And I think the big challenge that I 150 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: wanted to see this year is how is he going 151 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: to respond when they removed some of the pieces around 152 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: him and they took away two very very good receivers 153 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: in Pierre Garson and de Sean Jackson. We're actually seeing 154 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: that they might regret pulling those guys away because they 155 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: have to attack the game a little differently. On the outside. 156 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: They're not getting the production that they wanted from Terrell prior. 157 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: They don't have those threats, so Cousins is having to 158 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: work from inside out this year as opposed to outside in. 159 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: We're seeing more than running backs involved In the passing game. 160 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: We continue to see Jordan Read in the tight ends use, 161 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: but he doesn't have the dominant threat on the outside 162 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: like he had with de Sean Jackson. I think this 163 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: year has shown that Kirk Cousins has the ability to 164 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: change his game based on the personnel around him. That 165 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: bowls well for him being a guy that can go 166 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: on to another team when he gets the free agency. 167 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: How about these numbers. This is what with what he's 168 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: done right now. This is the projection going forward for 169 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: the rest of the season based off what he's done yards, 170 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: thirty two touchdowns, eight picks, completing sixty eight point two 171 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: percent of his passes. He's gonna get paid, buck, I mean, 172 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: he's absolutely gonna get paid. I mean, we we knew it. 173 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: We understand that he held all the cards. He is 174 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: going to get paid. And you think about the teams 175 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: that are out there available. I know he's been really 176 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: really tied to the San Francisco Fortys, but imagine what 177 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars could do with the guy like Kirk 178 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: Cousins at quarterback. He would allow them to really take 179 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: advantage of the weapons that they have on the outside. 180 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: It would give them an opportunity to really make plays 181 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: and do some things in the passing and to complement 182 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: what I think is a very formidable running game, and 183 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: to compliment a defense that looks like it's the top 184 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: five defense. Kirk Cousins would be a great there. I'm 185 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: with you on that one. There'll be I think you 186 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: have a lot of suitors when you look at some 187 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: of the teams out there still looking for a quarterback. 188 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, he's gonna drive the market. Every quarterback now 189 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: and in the future needs to thank him too, because 190 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: he's gonna drive that number way up for everybody else. 191 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: I mean, he absolutely can get it up to the 192 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: thirty million dollar mark. He's going to get paid. And 193 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: regardless of what the Riskins do in terms of their record, 194 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: I think kirk Cousins has already proven enough to justify 195 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: being a big Marquis franchise quarterback. How about inside, let's 196 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: go big picture NFC East. Offensively, when you look at 197 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 1: this division, Philly's got the number five offense in the league, 198 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: Dallas number six in the league, Washington number eight, three 199 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: of the top offenses in the NFL and the NFC East, 200 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: and then you have the New York Giants. Wow, that 201 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: says a lot, but no injuries. Injuries even in that like, 202 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: let's let's go beyond that part. If we pull back 203 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: another layer. We talked about offense, and we talked about 204 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: the league being a quarterback driven league. If we had 205 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: to rank them, will we rank them in that order 206 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: in terms of quarterbacks? Will we say Eli at the 207 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: bottom of the list, he would be right like, And 208 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: I think I think that's shocking for some people to 209 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: realize that. But Eli Manning, a two time Super Bowl 210 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: m VP, is the worst quarterback in this division. And 211 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: so if I'm the New York Johnson, I'm looking at 212 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: it and knowing that Eli is mhmm in the latter 213 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: part of his career, it's time to look at the quarterback, 214 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: and it's time to look at one very very early, 215 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: because you're going to have to have some star power 216 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: at that position to compete with the quarterbacks, the young quarterbacks, 217 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: particularly in Philadelphia and Dallas that are gonna be at 218 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: the top of Division four A while, it's gonna be 219 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: fun to watch as these these teams grow up together. 220 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: All right, Buck, two thousand sixteen draft class, we're talking 221 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: about the sophomores. Winz is in that mix. I thought 222 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: maybe for Thursday's pod, and we also have our video 223 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: show on Thursday, we could go back and rank the 224 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: top ten guys from that seen draft class. But just 225 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: to get just to wet your whistle a little bit here, 226 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: look at some of the names and once you you 227 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: have it up, you have read read out the top 228 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: ten of who's drafting this draft. I mean, if we 229 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: just go through the top five, Jerry Golf, Carson Wentz, 230 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliott, Jalen Ramsey, that's some dudes. All 231 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: five guys our Pro Bowl players. If we stopped the 232 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: season right now, Jerry Golf is going to the Pro Bowl. 233 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, Joey Bosa, Zek Elliott, Jalen Ramsey. All those 234 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: guys deserved to be in Pro Bowl consideration. After that, 235 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley, DeForrest Buckner, Jack Conklin, Leonard Floyd. The only 236 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: guy that's a little out of place Eli Apple. I 237 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: would be Eli Apple, But the rest of those guys 238 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: have all played to the level of talent. You go 239 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: down a little farther. Let's see, before as injury, Taylor 240 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: Decker was playing pretty well, playing really well. Uh, Derona 241 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: Lee's beginning to make plays. How about how about let's 242 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: go down though, Let's go down outside the first round 243 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: with Dak Prescott, who's gonna be definitely be one of 244 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: the top ten players in this Tyreek Hill. Tyreek Hill 245 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: is another one who has been outstanding. I mean, this 246 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: is we go back to the J. J. Watt draft 247 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: class with A J. Green and all those dudes. Now 248 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: that was an all timer. This one is is starting 249 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: to get into the discussion right now. Is one of 250 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: the best drafts in the last decade. And I remember 251 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: in the run up to that draft thinking, man, this 252 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: draft has no sex appeal. Jared Goff, you know, coming 253 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: out of Cow, you know, didn't have Cow, didn't have 254 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: tremendous success there. Then you've got Carson Wentz, people like 255 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: I've never heard of North Dakota State. Where's that? I mean, 256 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: we knew once with what we do, but the outside 257 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: in was kind of like, how many times did we 258 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: talked about golfer wins and now we're back to it. 259 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: I know we did a show hashtag golfer hashtag wins 260 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: three we have three guys did we talk about at 261 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: quarterback did our franchise quarter x And I know people 262 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: still are waiting to see if golf is going to 263 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 1: come back to earth Dak Prescott. There there was that debate, 264 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: but I think we now can say that in this 265 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: draft they revealed three quarterbacks they look like they will 266 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: be top ten quarterbacks. And so if you go back 267 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: and you look at eleven didn't have the quarterback power 268 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: that this class had because you had Cam Newton, but 269 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: you had Jake Locker playing Christian Ponder, those guys didn't 270 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: pan out. Now, I think that's a good comparison in 271 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: terms of talking about an all timer, because if you're 272 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: able to get three really good quarterbacks, three quarterbacks that 273 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: look like they can be top ten talents, plus you 274 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: get how about how about Jordan Howard as well, who 275 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: was second league in Russian last year, Derrick Henry, who 276 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: were starting to see come on, uh, that's another good 277 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: player out of that sixteen draft class. I mean, it's 278 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: it's a really really good group. Michael Thomas, the second 279 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: round pick, who's been mentioned, Tyreek Hill, Hunter Henry who 280 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: was coming off a couple of good games here. I mean, 281 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: it's a it's a really, really good group buck really good. 282 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: I mean, like, here's the thing about the draft. Oh man, 283 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: we haven't even talked about the guy that you discussed, Yannick, 284 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: a guy who's stepped up and been a really, really 285 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: good player. They've been a ton of players, and I 286 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: think that's that's the beauty of the draft, is that 287 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: sometimes you think you know, but you really have no idea. 288 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: When these guys getting the right situation, when they've given 289 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: an opportunity under the right coach and staff, they can 290 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: exceed expectations. And I think we're seeing in a drafted 291 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: we thought was very yeah, a little bit better, some 292 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: guys have really emerged and come out of that. All right. 293 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: The last thing on the NFL front here before we 294 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: switch over to some college in an interview that I'm 295 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: really looking forward to getting into. Here, let's go Offensive 296 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: Line of the Week. This is presented by the Ford 297 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: f series. This is something our good buddy Shan O'Hara 298 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: does every week NFL dot com slash forward. You can 299 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: check out his built Ford Tough Offensive Line of the 300 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: Week article where he actually ranks top five offensive lines 301 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: of the week. Are we in agreement on this one, Bucky? 302 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: Where we're going. I think I know where we're going. 303 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: I think we have to go with the Dallas Cowboys. 304 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: The way they dominated San Francisco forty nine is because 305 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: Santacist go forty nine. As you can say what you 306 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: want to about their record. Their defense, they played pretty well. 307 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: They've been pretty stingy upfront. Um has they have a 308 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: very talented UH front four and the Dallas Cowboys just 309 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: were able to have their way push guys around, much 310 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: like we expected them too from the outset. But that 311 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: performance this weekend was the first time we saw Dallas 312 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: Cowboys offensive line look like the Cowboys offensive line that 313 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: we've grown to no one love. They threw They threw 314 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: the ball for two or thirty six yards, no sacks 315 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: on that offensive line, and they ran it for two 316 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: sixty five with a six point two average. So I mean, 317 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: dead is exactly how you want to play the game. 318 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: Seventy of those pass yards came on a screen pass. 319 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: That old line got outside and put a hat on 320 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: a hat, and we're gonna break that down on our 321 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: vo ds this week. Nice little little little preview here, 322 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: all right, buck, as we move into some college football talk, now, 323 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: look forward to this next interview. This is one of 324 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: the best players in college football that I'm guessing a 325 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: lot of our listeners haven't heard of, so I think 326 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: you'll enjoy this, all right, buck Well, this next guest, 327 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: I got a chance to watch him actually this morning. 328 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: I heard a lot about him. I know a lot 329 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: of scouting. Buddy's been rolling through South Dakota State to 330 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: check out a very talented tight end. A lot of 331 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: folks believe is the best tight end in the country 332 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: in college football right now, and that's Dallas got heard 333 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: he joined us right now. Dallas, First of all, thank 334 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: you so much for for joining us here. You gotta 335 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: we gotta start out with at the very beginning, how 336 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: in the world did you end up at South Dakota State. Yeah, 337 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: this this question is actually been to ask quite a bit. 338 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: Being from a small school in South Dakota, I didn't 339 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: really have a lot of offers. I had. My only 340 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,119 Speaker 1: offer was actually too like a D two school in Aberdeen. 341 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: And um, uh, coach Tag the head coach here, came 342 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: to my high school one time and uh he talked 343 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: to me a little bit, came and watched me play 344 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: a basketball game. Um, and uh, we didn't really have 345 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: a lot of communication. He offered me a walk on spot, 346 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: so I texted him one day, I woke up, I 347 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: prayed about it quite a bit. I woke up, texted 348 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: him and said I'd like to walk on there, and 349 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: he said he was excited for the next five years. 350 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: So that's kind of how my whole recruiting process to 351 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: South Dakota went. Now you end up at it in. 352 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: But I'm looking at your resume in high school quarterback 353 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: where receiver, safety, linebacker, kier, kicker, punter, punt returner. Is 354 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: that played everything except tight in? How did you become 355 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: a tight end with the jack Rabbits? Yeah, for real? 356 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: In high school in a small town, um, not a 357 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: ton of athletes, Um, so they just kind of put 358 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: me where I could get the ball the easiest. So um. 359 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: But when I got here, UM, my size was kind 360 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: of the reason I got put at tight end, being 361 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: six five with the frame that I had, it was 362 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: really easy just um fill the role of the tight end. Well, 363 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: you played a lot of different positions. You also played 364 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of different sports, which I love to see 365 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: and we love to see. Is scouts and evaluators want 366 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: to see guys diversify a little bit developed that different 367 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: athletic profile. And I've seen look, I've seen the basketball 368 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: stuff that's pretty normal for football players, especially tight ends, 369 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: and you see some track. Okay, I get it when 370 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: I looked in your stuff and I'm seeing that you 371 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: come from a family that knows how to write unicycles. 372 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: This is maybe my all time favorite nugget that I've 373 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: had on on a draft prospect. How in the world 374 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: did you become a family of I guess I called unicyclist. 375 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: Is that a word? Yeah? I believe that's right. Um, Well, 376 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: there was one day I was looking through, uh, like 377 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: the J. C. Penny catalog for Christmas, so what I 378 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: wanted and I saw a unicycle. I thought that'd be 379 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: really cool to try. So I told my mom I 380 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: wanted a unicycle, and she was like, yeah, actually, your 381 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: grandpa has a bunch of him sitting in his shop. 382 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: So we went out there and got one and she, 383 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: my mom and my sisters used to ride all the time. 384 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: So we brought it and she just popped right on 385 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: and started riding it. And I'm like, man, I want 386 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: to be able to do that. So I just practicing 387 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: and UH figured out how to ride it, and my 388 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: family has been riding in parades every Fourth of July 389 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: ever since I was probably about eight years old. So 390 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta ask you because this is the question. 391 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's in a lot of people's mind when 392 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: you see people on your cycle. How the heck do 393 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: you get on that thing? Um, it's it's actually uh 394 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: pretty simply just put your feet on there and just 395 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: kind of jump on and start pedaling to the lean. 396 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: I guess how that you could lose I'd lose some 397 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: teeth if I tried to jump on that thing. I 398 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: mean this unbelievably. So you're fascinated by his ability to 399 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: be a unicyclist. I'm still fascinated by your basketball prowess 400 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: because we've seen so many tight ends come into the 401 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: league that have basketball backgrounds that have had success. When 402 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: you think about your basketball career and the things that 403 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: you were able to learn playing basketball, what from basketball 404 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: translates to the to the football field that allows you 405 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: to have success at why we had tight end? I mean, really, um, 406 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: basketball and football courts like quite a bit together. I 407 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: mean a lot of jump balls that are throwing at 408 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: me are kind of like going up for a rebound. 409 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: You just have to high point it and get it 410 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: before anybody else can. And I mean there's just so 411 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: many different things like, um, if you have a man 412 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: garden you to get go buy him. It's just kind 413 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: of like basketball, you have to cross up a defender 414 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: to get by him. So just um, obviously you don't 415 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: have the ball in your hand when you're doing it. 416 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: But there's just so many different things. Um like back 417 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: cut to the basket and everything is just kind of 418 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: finding the open spot. Um. Just a lot of things 419 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: in basketball court laid a lot to football that have 420 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: helped me in my game. I had a chance to 421 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: go through and with the computer carreer program we have 422 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: here at the NFL Network, it's it's really cool. You 423 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: can sort target so I can look at every ball 424 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: that's been thrown to you over the last a couple 425 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: of years, and you have some highlight real grabs. Now 426 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: some unbelievable. We just saw one of them a second ago, 427 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: the one handed catch. And in that moment, the moment 428 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: that you grab a ball with one hand in the 429 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: back of the end zone like that, are you you 430 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: immediately knowledgeable the fact that okay, this thing is probably 431 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: gonna hit the internet is probably gonna go with a 432 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: little someplace. Yeah that catch said you're talking about against Drake, 433 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: It was like spoorts Center top five play, I think, 434 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: out of the top ten, and it was really cool. Um, 435 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: I know I caught it. I knew it was a 436 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: pretty cool catch. Um, but I didn't realize like how 437 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: cool it looked until it was on the video board 438 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: and everybody was just kind of watching it and the 439 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: whole place was silent. We're about ready to kick um. 440 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: Their whole staff was watching it. Um. All the fans 441 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: were silent. Once uh, the replay got over, everybody started cheering, 442 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: and that was it was really cool seeing it. Um. 443 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: Once I saw it for the first time on the replay, 444 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: I knew it was a really cool catch and it 445 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: would be kind of all over everything. Yeah, it went viral. 446 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah you make it catch like that, It's gonna go viral, 447 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: no question. Yeah, absolutely, Uh it is going viral. And 448 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I'm always intrigued 449 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: when you look at games on Sundays and Monday nights, 450 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: you look at the NFL game, is there a tight 451 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: end that you may pad in your game after. Yeah, 452 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: we do a lot of things that the We get 453 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: a lot of our plays from the Chiefs, Kansas City Chiefs. 454 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: We've watched quite a bit of Travis Kelsey, and I 455 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: think I played quite a bit like him. Um, they're 456 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: just like different things that he does, the way he 457 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: can move his run after the catch, and just a 458 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: lot of things. I think my game resembles his quite 459 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: a bit. Bucky, who did you have for a comp 460 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: when Ezach hurts from the Philippi Eagles. I thought you athleticism, 461 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: your ability to play inside outside, be it as a 462 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: tight position slot to create a bunch of big plays 463 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: in the past game. I thought you reminded me of 464 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: the Eagles TV tighten. Well, I'm gonna give you mine 465 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: real quick and then I'll get your take on it. 466 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: I think the most underrated tight in the NFL for 467 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: the last two years again him Cameron brad who's down 468 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: there with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who has been outstanding 469 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: for Jameis Winston. And I compared you to him just 470 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: because your ability to work in the seam and to 471 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: be able to make contested catches. You have a feel 472 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: for working in the middle of the field, and as 473 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: a as a former quarterback, having some way they can 474 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: go into that dirty area and get the job done 475 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: is something that you love. And I just love the 476 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: way that you play in that portion of the field. 477 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: You take a lot of pride and now you have 478 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: a lot of contact catches, which is what you want 479 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: to see from a tight end. Yeah. Um, obviously, any 480 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: time the ball is thrown to me, Um, I believe. 481 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: I think my quarterback, my coaches about to believes I'm 482 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: gonna make the play. So obviously, when you have uh 483 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: that much faith in you, Um, just any time the 484 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: balls don't you, Um, I plan on catching it, whether 485 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of contact or not. Being a 486 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: bigger body that always plays your advantage. So um, that's 487 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: just kind of my thing. Anytime the ball is thrown 488 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: to me, I need to make the catch. If I 489 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: can touch it, I try, I can catch it. You know. 490 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: One of the things that we do here Dallas is 491 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: we play have a game where were called the three 492 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: h is U what is your biggest highlight, your biggest hardship, 493 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: and who is your greatest hero? So if we had 494 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: to go back and ask you, what is the biggest 495 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: highlight that you've had throughout your career. What would you 496 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: say it is? I probably have to go back to 497 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: the n D s U game last year up there, Um, 498 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: when we beat them for the first time in like 499 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: eight meetings, or what if we were able to get 500 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: the rock back. It was a pretty it was a 501 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: really close game. He won on one of the last 502 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: uh plays of the game. So just that whole game, 503 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: the team atmosphere in the locker room after the bus 504 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: ride home, it was just a ton of fun. Getting 505 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: back to Brooking's and uh, everybody just um high on 506 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: their horses. It's really excited. It was just a really 507 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: cool experience. All right. How about your Your biggest hardship 508 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: you've had to overcome in life could be football, relader, 509 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 1: could be off the field. Um. Growing up in South 510 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: Dakota has been a pretty easy life for me. I've 511 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: been blessed with great family and everything. But when I 512 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: lost my grandma was my uh true freshman year here. Um, 513 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: she was really close to me. I spent a lot 514 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: of time with her in the summers. And just going 515 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: through that without um my parents or my sisters here, 516 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: I just kind of haven't do that on my own. 517 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: Is probably one of the harder things I went through. 518 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: It sounds like your grandma was very very close to you. 519 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: But if I had to ask you who is your hero, 520 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: who would you reply? Man that stuff? Um maybe my 521 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: grandpa Gordy. Um, he's just a great guy. He's a 522 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: great family man. He's uh raised at he had six 523 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: kids and they all live really close. Just a really 524 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: great family man. Um. He's just kind of done everything right. 525 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: He's been nominated as like the North Dakota Person of 526 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: the Year. So just kind of the way he lives 527 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: his life is just kind of how I'd like to 528 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: model how I could live in my life. That's outstanding. 529 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: Gordy is a great name. By the way, you need 530 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: to hand that name down when keep that let's keep 531 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: that name alife. Last thing for me as we wrap 532 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: up here Dallas, we're gonna see a bunch we'll probably 533 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: see at the Senior Bowl. We'll see it to combine 534 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: and hopefully have you in here to the studio for 535 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: path to the draft. As we get towards the draft, 536 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: I just have one request. If you look over your shoulder, 537 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: you see that basketball. There's a South Dakota State basketball there. 538 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: It looks like it's got the blue and gold going on. 539 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: We would like one of those for move the sticks. 540 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna put that in the background. It's a good 541 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: looking basketball to multicolored ball, and we'd like to get 542 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: our hands on that thing. That was good. I could 543 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: probably do that for you. All right, that'll work, Thank 544 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: you very much. Awesome, Thank you guys. Well that was fun, Bucky. 545 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: That's a that's a really good football player. Gott a 546 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: chance again to study him recently, and man, a lot 547 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: of comparisons being made amongst scouts talking about Adam Shaheen 548 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: we saw from Ashland last year. Not a huge school, 549 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: but a big athletic dude the Bears took in the 550 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: second round. I'll be anxious to see when god it 551 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: ends up going, I would say right now, I kind 552 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: of penciled him in just off my evaluation, thought he 553 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: was kind of a third round guy. Um, but he 554 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: does great in the in the postseason, in the All 555 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: Star Games. Maybe he could vault up even higher than that. 556 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: But big, fast, and tough, pretty good qualities to have, 557 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: very good qualities have at that position. You're always looking 558 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: for a blue collar guy, guy that can get it done, 559 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: not only is a block of it. As a receiver, 560 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: he's shortly. He has shown those qualities. It will be 561 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: interesting to see how high he climbs after we get 562 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: a look at him at these All Star games. All right, 563 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: let's let's jump into some college football. Uh last week, Buck, 564 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: you went to Wyoming, right, did you go check out 565 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: Josh Allen? Boise State got a chance to see Josh 566 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: Allen versus the Boise State Broncos. And I continue to 567 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: say that he is going to be a fascinating evaluation 568 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: because it comes down to the potential versus the production. 569 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: Right now, the production is nowhere near. Uh what do 570 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: you expect the top ten prospect to deliver? Particularly a quarterback? 571 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: But the potential is there only because he's sized, has 572 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: everything that you want, six five over two pounds, big 573 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: time arm talent, probably one of the more impressive arms 574 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: that you're going to see in person. Um has the 575 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: ability to athleticism and the running skills to make plays 576 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: on the move. But he just hasn't put it all together. 577 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: And so the trick for evaluators and team builders is 578 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: to kind of figure out do they have the personnel 579 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: in place to get other And when I mean personnel. 580 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: Do they have the offensive coordinated quarterback coach and the 581 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: surrounding pieces to allow him to develop into a big 582 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: time prospect. And it's tough because there's a part of 583 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: me this is he's a bigger, faster, stronger Blake Bortles, 584 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: And I don't want to tag him with that, but 585 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: right now, that's kind of the thing that strikes me. 586 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: I know others have given other stronger comparisons, but it's 587 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: just hard to look at how he's played in the 588 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: production that he's put up and to kind of fully 589 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: endorse him the top ten pick, even though you see 590 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: the detraits are there for him to go then, but 591 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: I haven't watched this tape you with there a bunch 592 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: of drops, um, you know, it's just kind of like 593 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: a sleepy game. I mean there's some drops, there's a 594 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: fourth throw here there, there's some wild throws that he makes. 595 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: It's just it's kind of the inconsistent play that you've 596 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 1: seen throughout his career and throughout like this season. And 597 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,239 Speaker 1: so if you want to make a highlight you you know, 598 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: obviously in the in the war room, in the draft room, 599 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: if you make a highlight table with twenty five plays. 600 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: You'd put twenty five of his greatest plays, and he's 601 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: gonna look like a number one overall pick. If you 602 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: take twenty five bad plays, you can make him look 603 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: like a third or fourth round pick. Um. It's really 604 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: gonna be subjective in terms of what do you need 605 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: right now and how confident you are that he can 606 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: develop into something. But I'll say this, all best are off. 607 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: If Pat Mahomes can go on the top ten. This 608 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: kid is the top ten talent. I just don't know 609 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: what you do with it. Yeah, it's gonna be a 610 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,239 Speaker 1: fascinating evaluation. I had a scout texting me I think 611 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: we talked about this on Sunday, said that he he 612 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: was all in on him. He just said, with what's 613 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: around him. His point was if I took him out 614 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: of Wyoming and dropped him in USC, he would be 615 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: no doubt number one pick, would be no debate whatsoever. 616 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: And then I said, first of all, I think you're 617 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: overvaluing a little bit of what's at USC right now. 618 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: That's not the most talented group up front. Especially, I 619 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: think might be giving him too big of a pass, 620 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: like at some point he has to be able to play, 621 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: because I will say this, and I would go on 622 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: reack and I say, if you dropped Sam Donald in 623 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: Wyoming's offense, I think Waloming's offense is better and more productive. 624 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: This this guy is not a huge Donald fan. So 625 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: what he hit me with was if you took Sam 626 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: Donald and put him in Wyoming, he would look like 627 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: Kevin Hogan. I was like, WHOA, I can't go there. 628 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: I I definitely can't go there. Like, but it's interesting. 629 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: And by the way, let's jump over to that SC game. 630 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: They got absolutely smashed. It was twenty eight nothing in 631 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: the second quarter. That game was over. Donald gets credited 632 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: with the fumble, and I'm not I get accused of 633 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: being a Donald apologist. Look, it was a bad snap, 634 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: he didn't get the handle on it. That was kind 635 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: of a flukey fumble. I don't really put that one 636 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: on him. The interception on him, it's poor Reid forcing 637 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: the ball into the court, did not see the corner 638 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: sinking and had to turn over. You'd like to see 639 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: him eliminate that. Outside of that, Bucky, you think he 640 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: was like, he was pretty efficient what he had and 641 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: they they are so dead dog average upfront on the 642 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: offensive line. When you watch them, and it's not if 643 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: they don't even look the part on the hoof. That's 644 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: what's so weird. You're USC. You've got to pick a litterally, 645 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: if you if you line up Notre Dame's offensive line 646 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: and you had them right next to the USC offensive line, 647 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: it looks like the varsity, not that it looks like 648 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: the junior high next to the I mean, they're not 649 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: filled out there. It's just not a good look. Now, 650 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 1: it's not a good look. I think here's the thing 651 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: that I look for in quarterbacks. I mean it's not 652 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: necessarily all the numbers. You do look at the trays, 653 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: but I just kind of want to get a sense 654 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: of how they play. And I think the big thing 655 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: that we have with Sam Donald, even though he will 656 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: fall short of the number of wins that you want 657 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: if he came out with like twenty three wins, if 658 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: we're going by the Bill Parcels, thing is I've seen 659 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: him in enough big moments to know that he is 660 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: a quarterback that has the if factor. I've seen him 661 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: in the Rose Bowl, We've seen him in other big Texas. 662 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: He's played back Texas. We've seen him bring Tea his 663 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: team back against Utah when they were down by four 664 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: teen points. We saw him continue to battle in the 665 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: Notre Dame game. He has pelts on the wall that 666 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: I feel good about. Some of these other quarterbacks won't 667 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: have the big wins on their resume, and so it's 668 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: very similar to me to the Jamis Winston debate. You 669 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: can pull holes in his game, and you can pull 670 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: holes in Oh he has too many turnovers and he's 671 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: gonna finish with double digit turnovers and all the like. 672 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, if there's a 673 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: two minute drill and you can hand the ball to 674 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: one of these three quarterbacks, who do you want to 675 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: hand the ball to? The history suggests that if you 676 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: hand the ball to Sam Donald, he'll find a way 677 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: to get a team in the end zone. If if 678 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: you're Sam Donald, are you coming back? I've always, you know, 679 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: been an advocate go ahead and go back, get more 680 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: starts under your belt. Especially he's if he was if 681 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: he was a junior, go ahead, go ahead. It's a sophomore. 682 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: I mean Andrew Luck went back. Mariota ended up going 683 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: back as well. Right did he come back for his 684 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: junior year? See somore? I think here's the thing that 685 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: complicates it for him. I think Jameis is the one 686 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: that didn't. James came out. But here's here's the thing. 687 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: If you're Sam, I guess we can say it. If 688 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: you're Sam Donald, let's just say Sam Donald, hypothetice comes out. 689 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: If he's scared Buck, he's so scared of Cleveland, well 690 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: you have to be. I mean, like they have shown 691 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: that they don't have the ability to develop a quarterback. 692 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: And like we can put on the coach and staff, 693 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: we can put on the front office wherever you want 694 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: to put it. They played twenty quarterbacks in the last 695 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: forty four games. Um the way that they've handled Deshaun 696 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: Kaiser to me, suggested they have no idea how to 697 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: take a young quarterback and really developed him. We've seen 698 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: other quarterbacks and I'm not saying like Jacoby Brisset, Jacoby said, 699 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: it's coming to the league. Was a guy that was 700 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: a non script guy. He goes in New England, has 701 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: to start as a rookie. They don't necessarily put it 702 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: all on him. They found a way to allow him 703 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: to grow. And he's running to a player that in Indianapolis, 704 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: like is he a top ten player? No, but he's 705 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: been service function as a starter that you can win 706 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: games with them. I don't think Cleveland understands how to 707 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: take a young quarterback and protect them enough to allow 708 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: them to grow into being a functional, successful quarterback. Last year, 709 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: Ahead Code Counscter Code Couster started eight games. Evidently he 710 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: wasn't good enough to go get to Shaun Kaiser. Codecuster 711 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: becomes the third quarterback. They don't think he's worthy of 712 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: being a guy. They can't even compete for the starting job. 713 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,719 Speaker 1: Now they turned to him, they put him in, take 714 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: him out. Like to me, it's just a mess. And 715 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: so I know what their best quarterback was. By the 716 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: way broadcast Waller Brower, I should have kept him. They 717 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: could have. They could have kept paying the check. You 718 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: might as well keep him. Shaun Kaiser could have developed 719 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: quietly out of the public light and being probably a 720 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: better quarterback in nineteen So now, if I'm Sam DNA, 721 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: and more important, if I'm Sam Donald's representatives, what I 722 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: want to subject my guide to that kind of chaos 723 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: and carousel. I can't say that I would he owes 724 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: all the cards he can go back. Yeah, I know 725 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: people saying, well, Cleveland could very well get their pick. Well, 726 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: if they get their pick and two an nineteen, he 727 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: could still come back for another year. Yeah, my friend 728 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: senior years. Just keep stringing it up. No, it's interesting. 729 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: I talked to personnel buddy that all these guys, you 730 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,959 Speaker 1: you go on school visits, you you stay in Los Angeles. 731 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: It's a two free you go see U c l A, 732 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: you go see sc. So everybody that's evaluating these quarterbacks 733 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: get a chance to see Rosen and Donald back to back. 734 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: And he he brought it up, was fast and he said, Okay, 735 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: if you just break him down, Rosen's got better feet, 736 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: Rosen has got a better release, he's got a stronger arm, 737 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,719 Speaker 1: he's more accurate. Take all that. It's incredible. I take Donald. 738 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: He just said, the makeup is off the charts with Donald. 739 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: And he said, I just I trust him. I believe 740 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: he's Basically the floor is higher for Donald. He felt 741 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: felt like the ceiling for Rosen. Rosen has to go 742 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: to the you know, the per he's a pure drop 743 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: back guy. He's got to go to that type system. 744 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: He said, he's a he's a he's a play action 745 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: back to the defense. You can he could be lethal 746 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: in that a system. Here's what I've said in comparing 747 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: to two, because I think both of these guys are 748 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: very capable of being number one overall picks. I said, 749 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: the path is far more open for Sam Donald to 750 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: be picked by all thirty two just because of the 751 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: person that he is and the way that he comes off. 752 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: I think it's easier for people to buy into the kid, 753 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: which is why he'll have more options at the top 754 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: of the board. Josh Rosen to me is all those things. 755 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: I do believe he is probably a superior player in 756 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: certain aspects when it comes to the past game to footwork, 757 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: the arm, talent, the way that he plays in the pocket. However, 758 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,479 Speaker 1: his personality is not necessarily going to job or connect 759 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: with all thirty two of the coordinators and head coaches 760 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: in the league. Now that doesn't mean that he can't 761 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: UM player they even want to have success. I just 762 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: think he's gonna get the right spot. A different guy 763 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: much like and I compare him personality wise a little 764 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 1: bit to Jay Cutler in terms of it is going 765 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: to take a guy that is not a b S 766 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: or a guy that can kind of understand UM football, 767 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: can talk it to him and is not afraid to 768 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: have to explain the why. Because when you talk to 769 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, he is going he wants to know why 770 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: are we calling this? Why? And if you're threatened by 771 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: challenges from a quarterback, you can have a tough time 772 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: because intellectually the kid is pretty bright. He is a 773 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: high football like you, and you're going to have to 774 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: challenge that by giving them concepts that excite him and 775 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: make him want to come to work every day. All Right, 776 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: you know what quarterback I gotta go watch this year. 777 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: I watched him over the summer. I peeked at him 778 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: a little bit. This year. You saw him play live 779 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: earlier this year. I gotta see what's going on from 780 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: Mark Jackson. Man, But just scan scouting, highlight scouting, box 781 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: score scouting looks phenomenal. I gotta I gotta jump in 782 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: here and see what's going on. Here's the thing that 783 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: frustrates me about the opinions that I've heard about Lamar Jackson. 784 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,439 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that I, oh, I'm the lone 785 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: expert or whatever, but I think it is interesting to 786 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: me that people are so willing to dismiss what he's 787 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: able to do on the collegiate level and say that 788 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: he can't do it in the NFL level, especially when 789 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: you watch NFL football right now. I mean, he's a 790 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: big time talent. He's probably the most explosive player at 791 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: the position that we'll see in the nineteen class. He 792 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 1: is Michael Vick two point oh in terms of his explosiveness, 793 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: his ability to create, his improvisational skills. He has a 794 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: big time arm, he can make throws. He's not the 795 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: most accurate pastors, so you have to work around those things. 796 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: But is he someone that I've read that should be 797 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: playing wide receiver. I think that's so disrespectful to his 798 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: game and where we've come at the position. I believe 799 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: he is someone that a creative offensive coordinator can find 800 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: a way to maximize his talents. For instance, let's say 801 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 1: that he went to Buffalo and was asked to do 802 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: the same things that Tyrod Taylor is asked to do. 803 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: Do we think Lamar Jackson could do that? I think so. Um, 804 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: how about Jacksonville. I think in Jacksonville, you think about 805 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: adding Lamar Jackson to that running being able to do 806 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: the same thing. Stretched boot come out the back door. 807 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: I mean, like there are things that you can do, 808 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: but I think it's going to take the right offensive 809 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: coordinated that is creative enough to do it. It's unfortunate 810 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: that Kansas City already has their quarterback and quarterback in 811 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: the future, but man Andy Reid will work one is 812 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: with that kind of talent. I think another guy who 813 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: could work one is with a guy like that. I 814 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: think Mike McCarthy could work with that. Considering what he's 815 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: been able to do with quarterbacks throughout his time. I 816 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: think he could take a young quarterback and teach him 817 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: how to play the position the right way. Yeah, there's 818 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: some interesting options for teams there. I mean, I look, Ben, 819 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: Ben's not getting any younger. I know they got jobs 820 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: that drafted last year. Sorry selling, but upgrade, get getting 821 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: somewhere like that, and they will be fun to watch him. 822 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm to learn time to grow. I mean, like, 823 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: like really really think about that. Now, here's the thing 824 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: about Lamar Jackson, because it'll be interesting whether he grazes 825 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: out as a first round talent or second round talent 826 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: or whatever. But I do think that there would be 827 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: plenty of intrigue about what could you do, what could 828 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: his ceiling be? If he played at the next level. 829 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: All right, let's uh. I think we've gotta get out 830 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 1: of here. I think we're a little bit time limited 831 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: here with the studio space this week picks, I don't, 832 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'll mention it. Eight and four eight and 833 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: four buck. We're both eating four kent and sell you 834 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: both eleven and one. Um. I don't know how this 835 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: keeps happening. I find myself down twelve games to kent 836 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: right now. Twelve games I keep going crazy and lone 837 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: wolf in Kentucky. When do you guys make your picks? 838 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: Is what I would like to know, Minor right now. 839 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,479 Speaker 1: And you're about to make here is here in a second, 840 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: I'm about to get yours. So well, I'm not on air, 841 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: You're not, no, not on here, absolutely not. But hey, 842 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: you feel like I could be doing some more homework 843 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: on if you're yeah, if you're Bucky, though, you can 844 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: change it at so technically they're not setting stone. That's true. 845 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: That's a good point. It's fair point. Okay, I gotta 846 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: do better, just as simple as that. You just gotta 847 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: do better. Be better, do better. This week is a 848 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: New Week challenge for all of us out there. I 849 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: gotta start somewhere, all right. That was fun, fun episode boys. 850 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: Nice job, Bucky, great work. Got a got a lot 851 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: of videos to tape here. I gotta get to work. 852 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: Day is not over, but it is over for this podcast. 853 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening. We'll catch you next time. 854 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for downloading Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and 855 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. For more, go to NFL dot com Slash 856 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: Podcasts