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Speaker 1: Your tunes about drive on Home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Goal Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm Dale Ally here

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Speaker 1: with Matt Brench and Mattie Split or two d M

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Speaker 1: this lineups. Last week we did a Saturday Only to

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Speaker 1: our Saturday Only. We made money on our Sunday we

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Speaker 1: define we broke even on it again. Another another nice

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Speaker 1: thing about doing DFS. No juice, juice we split. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we still ended up eat breaking even. Yeah, perfectly even.

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Speaker 1: I would have best the other way around. I thought

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Speaker 1: Saturday was like man, I didn't like fishing from that pond.

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Speaker 1: There wasn't many fish in there to go grab. But

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Speaker 1: we knew what we were doing. But looking here at

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Speaker 1: our Sunday lineup, Taysom Hill ten point zero. He got hurt. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he got mad at hurt again. The last time we

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Speaker 1: were talking about John Payton keeping that team into it.

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Speaker 1: They go through multiple quarterbacks like every game. We didn't

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Speaker 1: finish that far out of the money. We finished with

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Speaker 1: a hundred and six point seven eight points. Um, maybe

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Speaker 1: if he's healthy, that'd be enough. Yeah, Cooper Cup was

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Speaker 1: nine point six points. Here's how expensive it could be.

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Speaker 1: But right, I told you before you if you if

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Speaker 1: your player really outproduces what you know, what his expectations are,

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Speaker 1: he gets to fire. If he doesn't, he gets the snowflake.

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Speaker 1: Cooper Cup scored twenty nine point six points and didn't

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Speaker 1: That was didn't get fired. That's just like another day

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Speaker 1: in the office. You got. Wow. Any chance he's in

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Speaker 1: the MVP conversation, No, I don't think so. No. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's as good a year as you ever see from receiver,

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Speaker 1: but I can't go that far. Vermandre Stevenson four point

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Speaker 1: six points. That didn't work out. Uh, DeVonta Foreman nine

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Speaker 1: point four points. He had sixty eight four total yards,

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Speaker 1: So I can't say it was a bust. It wasn't horrible,

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Speaker 1: just but he didn't get in the end zone. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: one catch that just wasn't enough. Za Jones had five

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Speaker 1: lots of targets. Yeah, they threw his way and they

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Speaker 1: missed him a couple of times down the field. But

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Speaker 1: there was yeah, five catches for twenty seven yards, which okay,

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Speaker 1: and the PPR aspect of it saves you a little. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a super productive day for we got seven

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Speaker 1: points seven points at him. We paid for bucks, so

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Speaker 1: it wasn't horrible missed getting a big fire symbol next him. Yeah. Really?

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Speaker 1: Uh Pittman, Michael Pittman at twenty point four points. Did

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Speaker 1: he score? I guess he did. He did. He scored conversion. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I remember he scored and he was grumpy about it.

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Speaker 1: They were getting beat up on. That worked out, okay,

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Speaker 1: Jared Cook, that was fine. Twelve points out of him.

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Speaker 1: He had four catches for eighty yards. He also could

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Speaker 1: have had more. Yeah. He was also one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons they didn't help the right tackle very much either.

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Speaker 1: They kept putting him Outain routes. Yeah, not four catches

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Speaker 1: for eighty yards tight end. Yeah, his age. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's still getting it done. Soma J P. Ryan Blue

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Speaker 1: Tarsky Us, Yeah, I did. I paid very little attention

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Speaker 1: to that game. I didn't pay any attention because the

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Speaker 1: Steeler game was going on and it meant nothing. And

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Speaker 1: in fact, I wanted to put Dr Johnson in there,

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Speaker 1: but Friday Dernis Johnson was on the COVID list. Oh right,

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Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, so that didn't work. And in many

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Speaker 1: cases we didn't know who was playing and who wasn't.

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Speaker 1: That was part of that was a game that was

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Speaker 1: a player and the COVID list was part of that

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Speaker 1: as well. Steelers defense thirteen points, only gave up thirteen

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Speaker 1: points and that was our only fire and in fact

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Speaker 1: two picks sacks. Right, yeah, yeah, that was That was

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Speaker 1: a good productive dayeen seven and thirteen points allowed. That

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Speaker 1: gets you some points as well. Our Saturday lineup was.

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Speaker 1: It was a much much better little Saturday line up there. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We scored a hundred sixteen point one points, which was

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Speaker 1: good enough to get us into money. Our decision to

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Speaker 1: start Patrick Mahomes paid off twenty six point two points.

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Speaker 1: I guess that would have been the call. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: come to think of it. I mean we thought he

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Speaker 1: was gonna play a quarter. He played a lot and

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Speaker 1: throw four or five touchdowns. Uh, Kenneth Gamebell eighteen point seven.

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Speaker 1: That he was on fire. He was the guy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Darryll Williams got seven point seven points. He got banged

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Speaker 1: up in that game. Just quick. No, I wonder and

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Speaker 1: we'll get into Chiefs talk, but I mean, I wonder

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Speaker 1: if Edwards Hilaire's in the equation this week or not

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Speaker 1: especially hurt the shoulder against the Steelers. A couple of things,

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Speaker 1: their skill guys are far from a sure bet this week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about that here in a second. Cedric

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Speaker 1: Wilson got thirty one. Yeah, that was that's that's the

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Speaker 1: winner there for between him and former Cedric Wilson's son,

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Speaker 1: it is. Yes, people don't know nights fourth wide out

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Speaker 1: for the car for the Cowboys. I made the mistake

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Speaker 1: was not going to play remember who it was, so

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Speaker 1: I audible um, and I pulled out him, jockeyed around

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Speaker 1: that in our flex and got put tyreek Kill in

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Speaker 1: the lineup mm hm, which seemed gray. But yeah, well

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Speaker 1: he was fine and then he got hurting warm ups,

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Speaker 1: got hurting warm ups. He hasn't done anything since coming

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Speaker 1: off COVID again. We'll get to the Chiefs here in

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Speaker 1: a minute, but boy, he's so important for them. He

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Speaker 1: had one catch for two yards. Yeah, and it was

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Speaker 1: got five. He had two catches for thirty yards. Travis

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Speaker 1: Kelsey four for thirty four and a touchdown thirteen point

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Speaker 1: four points. But that's not what you're paying for. Sound

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Speaker 1: saves you a little but still no fire symbol by him.

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Speaker 1: I changed it up with what Derek Gore is our

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Speaker 1: flex played. He had three points, thirty rushing yards. Those

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Speaker 1: Chiefs are killing us. And then the Chiefs defense got

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Speaker 1: us nine points. So we finished in the money. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, and again it wasn't a lot to pick

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Speaker 1: for him in that one. There was not. That was

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Speaker 1: a tough one. I guess any Cowboys, Cowboys, Wilson, we

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Speaker 1: got the best one, really, Wilson. Yeah, without a doubt

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Speaker 1: we would have had Doc would have cleaned up. Well,

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Speaker 1: we want our money. Yeah, that's amazing, that's what we

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Speaker 1: set out to do. Ah. You mentioned that, Um that game. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill injured his heel during warmups. Ah, he played

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Speaker 1: very sparingly, absolutely after the fighting the lower body injury.

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Speaker 1: Even before he was on the list, it's been he

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Speaker 1: has not been himself. He's hobbling on, he's been gutting

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Speaker 1: it out. He's tough guy. Yeah. Um, Darryll Williams didn't

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Speaker 1: play after the second quarter. He mentioned edboard Hilaire he's

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Speaker 1: to their third string running back there. And then Kelsey

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Speaker 1: the most special athlete to begin with. I think they

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Speaker 1: Orlando Brown. I need to double he didn't play that

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Speaker 1: game one, yeah, but was expected back this week. I

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Speaker 1: nang Nan got hurt last week. Yeah, seriously they can.

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Speaker 1: I think they carted him off. Yeah. I haven't paid

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Speaker 1: a ton of attention to the Chiefs, but I have

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Speaker 1: to readjust that starting tonight and really digging back. Now,

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Speaker 1: the great thing now is for for people like us

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Speaker 1: who do stats stuff. You get the whole season stats.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, you know this finished the year here, and

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Speaker 1: you know, right right exactly they're there gonna be an

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Speaker 1: interesting team. Clearly they can beat the Steelers without their stars,

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Speaker 1: but they're built a certain way. Tight end, wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: amazing quarterback, and that wide receiver and tight end have

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Speaker 1: very different skill sets. It's extremely hard to take both away.

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Speaker 1: That's they're greatly compromised without them. And you know, we

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Speaker 1: when we previewed that game, Kelsey and Hill had like

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Speaker 1: fifty of the receiving production. I think now you know

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Speaker 1: when the Steelers went in there on Christmas Day, it

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Speaker 1: was day after Christmas. They flew in the Kansas the

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Speaker 1: day of Christmas. Um, you've done it once and then

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Speaker 1: you've gone into that building with a with your young

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Speaker 1: football team. They kind of know what to expect. You know,

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Speaker 1: is it gonna be Is that place going to be

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Speaker 1: louder for a playoff game? Maybe a little bit louder,

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Speaker 1: but not ridiculously louder. You know, you've played against Mahome,

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Speaker 1: so it's almost like playing against you know, for a

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Speaker 1: lot of those guys, that's the first time they've played

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Speaker 1: against Patrick Mahome. Well, now you've seen it, without question,

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Speaker 1: you know, Um, that defense rows a lot at you two.

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Speaker 1: Chris Jones didn't play in that game. Though, right, I

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Speaker 1: don't know he played. He didn't play the game before

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Speaker 1: he played in this Yeah, he came back for the Steelers. Um,

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Speaker 1: I would ask something that sort of off topic, but

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Speaker 1: I've been mean to ask for a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers road wose are pretty obvious. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: won yesterday and now they're what three and five on

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Speaker 1: the road for the year. But it wasn't a good

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Speaker 1: year on the road, I mean, and slow starts some

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Speaker 1: of their worst losses. Is it as simple to you

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Speaker 1: as this team is just really young and hasn't done

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Speaker 1: it in the NFL level a large degree, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: and even yesterday for that matter, it was false starts

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Speaker 1: vetteran guys. They don't get that they win that game

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Speaker 1: in regulation. Agreed, that's actually point two of that is

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Speaker 1: not only the young football team quarterback and Hayward decide,

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Speaker 1: but I mean, they're a very young football team. But

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Speaker 1: there's an old coaching phrase that I very much believe

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Speaker 1: still holds is great old line. Good old line play travels,

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Speaker 1: you know, and even if it's just a group of

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Speaker 1: five dudes that have played together for two or three

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Speaker 1: years that don't know pro bowlers across the board, but

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Speaker 1: the communication on the road is there, you know, the

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Speaker 1: understanding how to the silent counts and all the adjustments

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Speaker 1: you have to make and things like that. They're just

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Speaker 1: so much harder on the road. Well, steel line was

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Speaker 1: gonna struggle with that stuff all year, and we knew it,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think too. And I was talking with

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Speaker 1: Wolf yesterday and he brought this up, and I thought

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Speaker 1: it was a good point by him. Obviously he knows

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Speaker 1: offensive line playlist. All the pre snap motion that Matt

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Speaker 1: Canada wants to do does not fit in well with

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Speaker 1: what with a young offensive line, No, it doesn't, because

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Speaker 1: what what happens when you do it? When okay, so

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Speaker 1: you motion the tight end from from the strong side,

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Speaker 1: Now he goes over to the to the left side.

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Speaker 1: He's on the weak side. It changes who every one

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Speaker 1: flow of the assignments change. It's funny, as you say

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Speaker 1: in that it's almost like We've had the conversation often

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Speaker 1: about when a rivus travels ten have to adjust you

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Speaker 1: don't think the offensive line, you know. But the same

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Speaker 1: thing is true for the old line of I got

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Speaker 1: gotta reach them differently or whatever it is. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Browns for that man as as I say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's say Vegas is line holds true and they get

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Speaker 1: beat bad by the Chiefs next week, and all the

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Speaker 1: Tomlin haters will come out. He hasn't won a playoff

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Speaker 1: game since blah blah blah blah blah. He won one.

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Speaker 1: I mean last night's game that we watched was a

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Speaker 1: playoff win. By verse, I don't say, yeah, that's a

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Speaker 1: playoff win. Beating beating the right because the Colts didn't

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Speaker 1: do it, because the haters would have killed him if

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Speaker 1: he lost that game in Baltimore. Oh, you can't even

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Speaker 1: get him in the playoffs, you know, like, yeah, getting

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Speaker 1: into it depends on what your you want your narrative

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Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, what's your narrative? Well, Tomlin stinks, Well,

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Speaker 1: then he hasn't won a playoff game five years. Between

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Speaker 1: the two of us, we've went written thousands and thousands

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Speaker 1: of stories and I confused stats to pad my argument

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Speaker 1: one way or another. You know, let's start it from

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Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen instead of two thousand and fourteen, because

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Speaker 1: two thousand four team was really good year, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? I mean John Harbor has one playoff

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Speaker 1: win since they won the Super Bowl in right. The Obama,

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Speaker 1: the Obama stink. They just lost six games in the

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Speaker 1: row to lose to finish off the season. He stink.

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Speaker 1: Has he done? Green Bay is a funny one to

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Speaker 1: me too. It's like La Fleur wins thirteen games every year,

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Speaker 1: but they lose the NFC championship game every year at home.

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Speaker 1: You know, like if they lose the NFC Championship game

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Speaker 1: again with the m v P. Is he still the

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Speaker 1: hottest coach in the world or is he abom That

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Speaker 1: reminds me I was. I was looking up some stats

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Speaker 1: last night after the game, and I went to look

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Speaker 1: up Roethlisberger's fourth quarter comeback slash by the way second

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Speaker 1: old time, second time, Aaron Rodgers. Just by comparison, Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers Rogers, Roethlisberger is over I think he's forty one

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Speaker 1: now fourth quarter comebacks. He's behind only Brady, everyone is,

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Speaker 1: but he pays. He beat Manning in far a breeze. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is eighteen in his career. Really Now some

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Speaker 1: of that's because they're winning by a bunch. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: he's not the great. I mean, he doesn't win every

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Speaker 1: game by twenty. It was just amazed by that. Didn't

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Speaker 1: that sad about him? That doesn't. That's the only one

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Speaker 1: that doesn't jive with all the other stats, you know,

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Speaker 1: Like it's his interception stats are unbelievably low. His efficiency

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Speaker 1: is unbelievably high, but he doesn't have many of them.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have those like you know, you look look

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Speaker 1: at the top of that list, it's it's you know,

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Speaker 1: Manning and Brady and Roethlisberger and Breeze and you know

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Speaker 1: some of these guys that that you know, Unitus was

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Speaker 1: up there, he was you know, he was kind of Montana.

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Speaker 1: He was the first guy that kind of did that

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff and they started keeping that stead. Hey,

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Speaker 1: this guy is pretty good late in game pay attention.

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Speaker 1: Remember Elway when he retired was really really high. And

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Speaker 1: those are the guys. And I'm like, why Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: is not like yeah, which goes back to your how

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Speaker 1: we opened segment one of the Herbert the Roethlisberger collectionists.

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of us are saying Rodgers isn't

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to. I don't mind handing

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Speaker 1: him the ball with two minutes left. No, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to, don't get me wrong. But it's the only

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Speaker 1: slight blemish on an unbelievable resume. Yeah, it's it's I

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Speaker 1: just thought it was crazy because I was looking at

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Speaker 1: where he ranked among active quarterbacks and I'm like, one

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Speaker 1: down to listening like, Rogers is like eighth of money

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Speaker 1: active quarterbacks. I'm like, that's nuts. And he hasn't missed

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Speaker 1: any time either, right, he was a little bit of time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but just unbelievable. Um. But Steelers Steelers Chiefs eight fifteen

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Speaker 1: on Sunday night. It should be fun. It should be fun.

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Speaker 1: This would be a fun week just in the drive.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we have so much to talk about, I mean,

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Speaker 1: tons going on again. There's a National Championship game tonight

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Speaker 1: and it's like to kind of dig into that, just

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Speaker 1: as a will be a few guys from that game drafted,

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Speaker 1: couple probably in that first round, something I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 1: be talking about for months to come. And no, I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty psyched about the whole deal. Yeah, it should be

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Um. But the Steelers stay alive

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Speaker 1: with their sixteen thirteen overtime win in Baltimore. Roethlisberger finishes

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Speaker 1: his career against the Ravens nineteen and eleven. Saw that

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Speaker 1: not so bad, not so bad, amazing. I saw another

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Speaker 1: stat today too. Since he entered the league, it's like

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Speaker 1: eighteen or nineteen Steeler Ravens games have been decided by

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Speaker 1: three points. Oh it's not. I mean that used to

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Speaker 1: be the norm. That's why when I saw that line

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Speaker 1: was five points, I'm like, I'm gonna take it. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't make a sense. I don't I don't know who's

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Speaker 1: gonna win. As soon as I saw a line, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: if you're to give either on his teams over three,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it. Same things true for whenever they

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Speaker 1: played next year. The first time, I do not not even

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Speaker 1: know who's on the team yet, but I don't even

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Speaker 1: know the quarterback is gonna be. One of them was

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Speaker 1: a four point dog. I'll take the four. That's just

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Speaker 1: the way those games go. They mean, they used to.

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Speaker 1: I likened it in my preview that those games used

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Speaker 1: to be. If you're if you've ever read a Clockwork Orange,

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Speaker 1: you're seen the movie a million times, a little ultra violence,

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Speaker 1: the ultra violence. Every one of those games was like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was the thing, you know. The Ravens. The Ravens

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Speaker 1: were very respectful of Roethlisberger. They put a thing out

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Speaker 1: on their website. I was wondering how they were talking

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Speaker 1: about how they had a bunch of their former players

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Speaker 1: talking about Roethlisberger and how they they hated him because

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Speaker 1: he would beat them and that kind of stuff, but

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Speaker 1: they respected him. And then throughout the game they kept showed,

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Speaker 1: they showed, you know, if the game would have been

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Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, and he did it. It would have showed that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Roethlisberger's highlights against the Ravens, well, all their

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Speaker 1: stuff was the Ravens highlights against Roethlisberger. Here's an interception,

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Speaker 1: you know, here's a sack. Yeah, so it's all that

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Speaker 1: stuff that game. Yeah, that makes fun. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we talked about before, and I don't think it's an

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Speaker 1: accident that Terrell Suggs was the guy they came out

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Speaker 1: in mask. You know. Okay, it's great stuff. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think either teams going away anytime. So it's a ship.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's the it's that era is over, though

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Speaker 1: Roethlisberger's retirement this season kind of ends that he was

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Speaker 1: the last remaining vestage. I guess quick was Quick was

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Speaker 1: still their punter back then. But he's a putterer. Yeah

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Speaker 1: he has a count. But I mean, the lamar led

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Speaker 1: Ravens don't look like the Ravens we were used to

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Speaker 1: all those years either, you know what I mean. But

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Speaker 1: they're not much different. Rivalry and the is Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 1: talked about the culture and actually Harbat talked about it

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Speaker 1: as well. They both were very complementary of each other.

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Speaker 1: That the culture that the other is built is what

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Speaker 1: makes is the backbone of both of those teams. It'll

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Speaker 1: never happen, but if I could have my wish, there

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Speaker 1: will be a football life for a thirty for thirty

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Speaker 1: of Kevin, Colbert and Nauzie Knewso just chilling over some

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Speaker 1: bourbon or coffee or on a fishing boat, just saying, man,

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Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna take Max Williams right when

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Speaker 1: I was about to or I was about the draft,

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Speaker 1: t J. Whatever it was. Yeah, we knew exactly what.

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Speaker 1: You guys are gonna do. The same players every year,

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Speaker 1: right right right when we go when we don't get them.

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Speaker 1: When we start doing our draft stuff, folks and we

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Speaker 1: start talking about players that we like for the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you at least a couple of those guys

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Speaker 1: are getting drafted by the Ravens. Yeah, you bought stuffing

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Speaker 1: just a year ago. Like if the Steelers would have

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Speaker 1: taken Dobbins instead of Claypool, they'd probably playing against Claypool twice.

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Speaker 1: There you wake up. Anyways, that's gonna do it for

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Speaker 1: our show. We'll be back again tomorrow and the rest

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Speaker 1: of the week talking to Steelers Chiefs. But for my

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Speaker 1: partner Matt Williamson, for Jacob rect here on site keeping

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Speaker 1: us on the air. I'm Dale Lolly. We thank you

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Speaker 1: for listening to this edition of the Drive on Steelers

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