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Speaker 1: Your work week is over.

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Speaker 2: The plant said, if you don't come in tomorrow, don't

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Speaker 3: This is the Last Word, the off season home of

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Speaker 3: the Colts with Jeffrey Gorman and Matt Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into the Last Word, brought you by our friends

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Speaker 2: at fan Duel. Make every moment more. Matt Taylor voiced

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Speaker 2: the Colts Maddio today, how are we doing. Let's have

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Speaker 2: some fun. I call it the finest football weekend, even

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Speaker 2: though it's a one day. I know you like to

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Speaker 3: I is.

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Speaker 2: I do, But I tell you what, the Conference Championships

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Speaker 2: is better than the Super Bowl for me.

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Speaker 4: And especially with the four teams we have. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think arguably right now. I mean the Chiefs, the Ravens,

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Speaker 4: certainly great for their fan base. You know, first time

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Speaker 4: in what thirty two years, they're in the NFC Championship game.

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Speaker 4: You got the forty nine ers, So let's roll, let's

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Speaker 4: kick it off. I'm ready for Sunday already.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we're gonna help out or get some help rather

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Speaker 2: from Clark Judge. He's gonna be coming up in a minute.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about those conferenceschampionship games. He's also a

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Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame voter. We're gonna lay out

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Speaker 2: the likeliness of Reggie, Wayne, and Dwight Freedman this year

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Speaker 2: getting admitted to Catton, joining Edgar and James, Tony Dungeye,

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Speaker 2: Peyton Manning, among others. And Clark's a big influencer on here,

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Speaker 2: so we're gonna touch with that.

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Speaker 1: He was the original influence. I know.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna grease him up on that and say, hey,

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Speaker 2: we need some extra help. All right, Mattiochi, Let's do

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Speaker 2: this thing we gotta think called five and five here,

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Speaker 2: all right, rapid fire. I like to call getting you

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Speaker 2: ready for the weekend. We have to talk some colts

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Speaker 2: before we talk conference championship games. So I have this

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Speaker 4: Let it ripe five minutes, five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Minutes, trying to.

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Speaker 2: Show you love what you're doing there. Five and five, Mattiochi,

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Speaker 2: how about this one? Expectations.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we can get five and five,

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Speaker 1: but we're gonna try.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna expectations twenty twenty four for this Coltch. They've

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Speaker 2: missed the playoffs for three straight years. They've gone nine

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Speaker 2: seasons without a division title. I hate saying man before

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Speaker 2: the true thirds. More than half the league has won

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Speaker 2: a division and or multiple playoff games since Indy last

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Speaker 2: did matt after a nine and eight season in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three. What are the vibes going into the offseason

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Speaker 2: and expectations next year? Richardson. I know it's all about Anthony,

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Speaker 4: Expectations I think they're there. I think it's time to

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Speaker 4: start winning and winning big. You talked about Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna have to, you know, reboot his rookie season

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Speaker 4: to a degree, considering he only played fifteen percent of

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Speaker 1: But what he showed you was incredibly.

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Speaker 4: Promising and after nine to eight overachieving with a backup

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Speaker 4: be higher for next year. Chris Ballard said it at

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Speaker 4: we should legitimately be competing for divisions and playoffs. That's

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Speaker 4: our expectation. That's really our expectation every year. But I

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Speaker 4: agree more. Time is now, brother, Let's go number two?

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Speaker 1: Yes, hery agents.

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Speaker 2: They have thirteen unrestricted free agents on the Colts roster

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Speaker 2: following this season, including Pittman Junior, Kenny Moore, Grover Stewart, Blackman,

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Speaker 4: But they're six starters in that group that you just

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Speaker 4: bring back some of these juicy names that played at

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Speaker 1: That a variety of different positions.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this is five and five, Hey number three our

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Speaker 2: opponents in twenty twenty four, Colts, you're gonna play some

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Speaker 2: What do you like most about the twenty four upcoming season.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're gonna have seven games against teams that made

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Speaker 4: and Green Bay. And the quarterback slate is way more

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Speaker 4: difficult next season, at least on paper. The Colts, Jeffrey,

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Speaker 4: as things stand now, you're probably not gonna get so lucky.

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Speaker 1: You got Josh Allen, you got two.

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Speaker 2: No kidding now about the AFC. We're going for number

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Speaker 2: four right now in five and five. They got some

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Speaker 2: new hires around here, Matt. Let's get it out. Brian Callahan.

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Speaker 2: He came in here last year. Yeah, interviewed for this team. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: same capacity for the Jaguars. How significant are those hires

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Speaker 4: I think they're big in terms of how they relate

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Speaker 4: They're not going to be the ground and pound team anymore.

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Speaker 4: With Dereck Henry, he's probably not coming back. He's a

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Speaker 4: and then Nielsen taking over the Jaguars that defense in Jacksonville, Jeffrey.

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Speaker 4: They kind of fell off a cliff there in the

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Speaker 4: You remember that Christmas Eve game. It was tough sledding

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Speaker 2: The latest and greatest. That's five and five. I mean,

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Speaker 2: rapid fire. Love what you do there, Mayte. We got

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Speaker 2: a lot more to talk about. Let's go to number five.

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Speaker 2: The playoff ratings. Okay, they're all over the place. This

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Speaker 2: dating back to nineteen eighty eight. Listen to this one.

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Speaker 2: Last Sunday, the Chiefs of Bills averaged fifty million viewers,

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Speaker 2: the most watched divisional or wild card game ever. Matt

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Speaker 4: I think you got the perfect storm. I mean, you've

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Speaker 4: got elite teams in the playoffs. You've got stars. You

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Speaker 4: have highly marketable players in every matchup. You know, believe

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Speaker 4: it or not. You got Taylor Swift that helps believe

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Speaker 4: it or not. That's it helps the Asolute League. And

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Speaker 4: you've got some juicy storylines. You've got the Lion snapping

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Speaker 4: You've got MVP candidates and Lamar Jackson and Mahomes and

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Speaker 1: Like the Chiefs the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 4: Sports betting is at an all time high and also too.

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Speaker 4: Quite frankly, Jeffrey, have you looked at the weather around

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Speaker 4: the country lately. I've been a little shitty, all right,

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Speaker 4: So it's cold. Everybody's inside staying at home watching football.

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Speaker 1: That helps too.

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Speaker 2: And like you said that, the Taylor Swift effect. And

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Speaker 2: by the way, you see Kelsey and you see Mahomes

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Speaker 2: every other freaking commercial that you're watching anything, you could

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Speaker 2: be watching Jeopardy State Farms. Yeah, so I'm saying we

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Speaker 2: that with Clark Judge, longtime NFL writer from the Talk

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Speaker 2: of Fame network. Clark is also a Pro Football Hall

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Speaker 2: former Colts Reggie Wayne and Dwight Freeney are they going

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Speaker 2: to make it into Canton For Matt Taylor. I'm Jeffrey Gorman.

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Speaker 2: a whole lot more right here on ninety three five

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Speaker 1: We're giving you all you need to know on the Colts.

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Speaker 3: This is the Last Word with Jeffrey Gorman and Matt

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Speaker 2: up with Clark Judge from the Talk of Fame network.

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Speaker 2: A great writer, a great host. It's been covering the

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Speaker 2: league forever and a day, and we're gonna talk some

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Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame voting Reggie Wayne included Dwight Freeney.

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Speaker 2: We get some championship games to go over local flare here.

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Speaker 2: Hey Clark, how are you today?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing fine. Yeah, I'm gondu uping in the weather

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Speaker 2: Yeah fine, I love it. We are in my similar

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Speaker 2: I love it. I think it's the finest day of football.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about the championship. I want to stick

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Speaker 2: close to home. Clark right here. Obviously you've been covering

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Speaker 2: come in. We just have a sample size of Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 2: the fourth overall pick in last year's draft, paired with

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Speaker 2: Shane Stikeen just kind of forecast a little bit in

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Speaker 2: the future years to come. What does this Colts offense

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you can't tell based on what four

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Speaker 2: We'll find out Sunday. That's Clark Judge. Follow him on

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Speaker 2: Twitter x at Clark Judge TF That is for the

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Speaker 2: Talk of Fame Network, where he's a writer and a host,

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Speaker 2: a great writer. Let's go to the other side the NFC.

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Speaker 2: Were you a favor of the Dan campbell hire when

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Speaker 5: Let's answer the first question. No, I was not a believer.

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Speaker 4: That's Clark Judge from the Tak of Fame Network, longtime

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Speaker 4: NFL insider here on the Last Word with Jeffrey Gorman.

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Speaker 4: I'm Matt Taylor ninety three to five and one oh

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Speaker 4: seven five the Fan. Now, Clark, you are also one

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Speaker 4: Let's start with Reggie Wayne. What do you think the

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Speaker 5: Mind who's in the room there, he said, fifty selectors.

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Speaker 5: he's one of three wide receivers who's up for election.

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Speaker 2: All right, Clark, judge, let's do the right thing. Let's

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Speaker 5: candidate and he's on your team.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I know, mat with Robert Mathis. I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: another quandary going on here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but Mathis can't break into the finals and Freeeny

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Speaker 5: can And I've always wondered why because they're very close

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Speaker 5: in sacks. Free's got two and a half more, but

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Speaker 5: Mathis is the all time market holder and Forrest Flumbos

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Speaker 5: with fifty fifty one, fifty four or whatever it is,

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Speaker 5: but he's the all time raket holder. So how is

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Speaker 5: that these two are like the same guy? And I

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Speaker 5: remember asking Tony about it, But it's a very difficult choice.

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Speaker 5: But the fact of matters both of them are Hall

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Speaker 5: of Fame worthy. Is this the year that Freedy kind

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Speaker 5: of jumps Alan because honestly, he's sort of flash here.

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Speaker 5: I mean he made he was in Super Bowl, you know,

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Speaker 5: made big time sacks and kind of guy that if

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Speaker 5: you wanted to dial up the sack, you went for him.

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Speaker 5: They double team him lot, and he was a guy

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Speaker 5: got a lot of notoriety. Alan kind of be saying,

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Speaker 5: what was his signal to move? I think people go,

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, Dwight Freene's a spin move, right,

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Speaker 5: you can see it. And that's why I think that's possible. So,

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Speaker 5: you know, honestly, given the choice of your candidates. He

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Speaker 5: gave me Fredi and Wayne. I'd say Fredi's probably are

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Speaker 5: more likely to move forward.

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Speaker 2: That's Clark Judge from the Talk of Fame network. You

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Speaker 2: Love Football? Follow him on Twitter x at Clark Judge

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Speaker 2: T F Clark really quick, before we caught you lose,

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick. Where's the end up?

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Speaker 5: I don't know he ends up anywhere. To be honest

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Speaker 5: with you, he whoa off, but yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I mean the thing is, he's been out this long

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Speaker 5: and I'll try to make this quick. But with this

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Speaker 5: Atlanta thing, I never quite got that. Because he wants

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Speaker 5: to win to surpass down school's record, right, he wants

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Speaker 5: to win now, and he wants to be with a

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Speaker 5: team that probably is going to make it to the playoffs. Well,

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Speaker 5: where's that team and has a quarterback? It was, you know,

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Speaker 5: maybe the Chargers, but they've already filled their position. So

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Speaker 5: could it be a team that's still playing or still

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Speaker 5: as a coach. That's my only question of the teams

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Speaker 5: that are out there right now, I don't see anyone

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Speaker 5: fitting that Bill. Who's got the quarterback? Well, Atlanta has

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Speaker 5: two quarterback keeps means they have none, So I don't

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Speaker 5: think that's happening. They're not going anywhere either, So what's

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Speaker 5: that team? Could it be someone that's still playing? And

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Speaker 5: I think it's possible. I mean, I think that's possible.

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Speaker 5: So if it's not, I could see in not being anywhere.

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Speaker 2: To be honest with it, way way back up real quick,

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Speaker 2: a team that's still playing, there.

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Speaker 5: Are I mean, listen, I'm not I'm not trying to

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Speaker 5: put any credibility in this. I'm not okay understand this,

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Speaker 5: But I'm saying, if these rumors about like Andy Reid

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Speaker 5: stepping in, yes we're true. If that were true, you go.

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Speaker 5: You got the quarterback, you got the defense, you got

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Speaker 5: the championships, you got everything, and you go for So

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Speaker 5: that's the possibility. I'm saying that's a possibility. I know

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Speaker 5: a lot of guys in Buffalo. We're unhappy with Seohan McDermott.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that's I don't think he's going anywhere. Plus,

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Speaker 5: how could the Bill hired Bill Belichick? You know that

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Speaker 5: they hate it so but but it's just it's a

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Speaker 5: weird deal because people thought there would be jumping off

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Speaker 5: the cliff for Bill Belichick. He's a different guy. I mean,

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Speaker 5: he wants gm responsibilities. He can be I think, tough

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Speaker 5: to work with, but he's certainly successful. The question is

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Speaker 5: how successful would he be with the quarterbacks they have

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Speaker 5: in Atlanta. I don't think they would. I mean, look

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Speaker 5: what he did and do England without Tom Brady. Look,

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Speaker 5: we didn't leave it without Tom Brady.

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Speaker 2: Love it, man, I love it. Love that you put

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Speaker 2: this together, and it's in my head now for the

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Speaker 2: whole weekend, Belichick possibly to the chiefs. Oh my, Clark, judge,

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Speaker 2: that's why we have you answer the best in the business.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for Railroad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll talk to you next week Clark.

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Speaker 2: After the hire. We'll talk to you Clark. Hey, man,

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Speaker 2: I so appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: After the dess from New England.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right right right, Hey, keep up the great work.

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Speaker 1: Love.

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Speaker 2: I love reading and listening to you and everything. And

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Speaker 2: obviously Todd is God. Continue with your Todd Runggren tour

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Speaker 2: that you're on. Clark has seen him eighty five times

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Speaker 2: and he's going for that one hundred mark. He's got

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Speaker 2: three of his upcoming shows in the book. So well done.

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Speaker 2: Hats off to you, and let's talk to you in

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Speaker 2: the offseason to catch up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I got a time tickets take jeff.

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Speaker 2: Let's go, Baby, let's go. Just don't ruin my guitar. Hey, thanks, Clark,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to you. You got it, Hey, I give

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Speaker 2: him credit. Man, anybody that's gonna go out of their

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Speaker 2: way one hundred times.

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Speaker 1: To go sex dedications.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Clark's been around.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I could see Tom Petty and

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Speaker 4: the Heartbreakers one hundred times without getting a little Taylor

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Speaker 4: shut been there, been there, you know it, and I

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Speaker 4: know it.

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Speaker 2: You'd ride a butt to go see Tom Petty across country.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to.

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Speaker 4: I'd like to, too bad, But Todd rungger and a

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Speaker 4: little niche there by Clark, I like it.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll give you the Forum Credit

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Speaker 2: Union question of the week, talking about the Lions and

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Speaker 2: their playoff wind drought. Also, we're gonna talk about those

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Speaker 2: championship games. A whole lot more coming up. Don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 2: This is the Last Word. Ninety three five one oh

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Speaker 2: seven five fan.

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Speaker 3: The Last Word with Jeffrey Gorman and Matt Taylor from

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Speaker 3: the Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio studio.

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Speaker 2: That is the King's right there, Ray Davies, screaming, I

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Speaker 2: need you. Who is he screaming at to?

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Speaker 3: Uh me?

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Speaker 1: Always screaming at you in your direction? Every someone is

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Speaker 1: always screaming at you. I need you to Ray Davies.

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Speaker 2: the Forum Credit Union Question of the Week. The Lions

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Speaker 2: my team that was my team growing up, may.

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Speaker 1: Tan, I know this, yeah, mission not anymore, not anymore.

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Speaker 2: But the Lions used to have my Gary Danielson, my fandom,

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Speaker 2: Gary Danielson. Here's those Lions have won two playoff games

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Speaker 2: this year, after going thirty two consecutive seasons without a

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Speaker 2: postseason victory. The city of Detroit went over eleven thousand,

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Speaker 2: six hundred days between NFL playoff wins for the Lions. Again,

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Speaker 2: the city of Detroit went over eleven thousand, six hundred

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Speaker 2: days between NFL playoff wins for the Lions. Incredible now

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Speaker 2: that Detroit's got the monkey off their back. Which NFL

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Speaker 2: franchise owns the longest drought since their most recent playoff win?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Who holds the record? Now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Lions are done after thirty two. They got

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Speaker 2: their win. Who is it now the team that is

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Speaker 2: looking for their first playoff victory?

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Speaker 4: I was going to say the Bengals, but they got

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Speaker 4: the monkey off their back before U before the Lions

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Speaker 4: did a couple of years ago with Joey Burrow?

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Speaker 2: Is it the Chargers shocked that this one may take

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Speaker 2: shock Chargers? It's the stinking Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's right.

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Speaker 2: Dolphins last playoff victory came over the Colts in two thousand.

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Speaker 2: That's twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Years ago, twenty three, twenty four years ago.

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Speaker 2: Whatever, twenty seas I mean, that's I mean, geez, they

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Speaker 2: beat the Colts twenty three seventeen in overtime in the

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Speaker 2: wildcard rounds. Since then, NAA Miami's gone and they've lost

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Speaker 2: six straight postseason games. Also, now Detroit has headed to

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Speaker 2: the championship game, only Washington. I say it like that

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Speaker 2: because we're going back to those old days for the Commanders.

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Speaker 2: The Washington Commanders have been out of the game longer

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Speaker 2: than the Dallas Cowboys. Washington made it there in ninety one,

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Speaker 2: Dallas in ninety five. I'm talking about the championship game.

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Speaker 2: So hey, good for you, Detroit Lions. Do what you're

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Speaker 2: gonna doing. I happen to think you're gonna get wax

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Speaker 2: this weekend up in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: A contrary a great game.

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Speaker 2: You heard it right here. I think San Francisco bullies

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Speaker 2: Dan Campbell and the Lion and wins convincingly out there.

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Speaker 1: No I disagree.

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Speaker 2: here with the guy who has some Indianapolis Colts roots. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we figured maybe last year at this time, Wow, what's

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Speaker 2: he doing? What's Harball up to?

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Speaker 1: We've said that for the last decade, right you have?

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Speaker 2: And that Shane Stiken came in the rest is history.

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Speaker 2: But Jim Harbaugh signing with the LA Chargers, what do

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Speaker 2: you think about this having another crack at it? And

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Speaker 2: obviously he's leaving up a sparkly, beautiful, shiny object up

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Speaker 2: in Ann Arbor Mansion. But I mean in that in

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Speaker 2: that National Championship trophy. Yeah, but Matt, there's so much

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Speaker 2: stuff around it and everything what's going in? Was that

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Speaker 2: why he went to the next level because he was

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Speaker 2: facing sanctions from the NC double al.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: You're the Michigan guy, so you know more about that

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Speaker 4: than I do. But I think you know the one

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Speaker 4: thing the college football Michigan, Alabama, on all these great

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Speaker 4: programs can't offer a guy like Jim harball is a

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Speaker 4: super Bowl. That's the one thing he does not have

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Speaker 4: as a player or a coach. So it's fascinating to me,

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey that the Chargers they interview fifteen candidates and only

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Speaker 4: one guy got a second interview, and that was Jim Harballer.

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Speaker 4: He's been out of the NFL game for nine years.

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Speaker 4: I know that's kind of overblown a little bit, but

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Speaker 4: it's it's fascinating to me, and Hardball was their guy.

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Speaker 1: The entire time.

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Speaker 2: How about that got paid too. Obviously, I don't know

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Speaker 2: what's gonna happen up in Michigan. There's some talk of

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Speaker 2: Shron Moore taking over the interim coach. When when when

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Speaker 2: they were Slash and Harbor on the wrists this year?

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Speaker 2: So hey, best of luck out there, that's what it was.

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Speaker 2: And Jim, We've always been a fan of yours. But

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, when the charges in Colt's plays,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna get wax So I'm just saying it right there,

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Speaker 2: two things right there in the forty nine ers, roll

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Speaker 2: and Harball will get waxed. Mayte, I enjoy it. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you sitting down with me each week talking a

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Speaker 2: little football.

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Speaker 4: Blackwise, pal, have a great weekend, enjoy these games right here.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna do it every Friday for you right here,

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Speaker 2: and don't forget coming up next the Pacers and the Suns.

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Speaker 2: Tom Chambers and Rex Chapman are taking on the Indiana

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Speaker 2: Pacers right here on ninety three five and one of

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Speaker 2: us up five today