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Speaker 1: My wife's dead. Okay, so where did issue They chuck her?

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Speaker 1: They chuck her block. The guy broke into my house.

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Speaker 1: she's dead. They got an old they set her quarter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the most bizarre nine one one calls I have ever heard.

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Speaker 1: And that's a lot of nine one one calls. I

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Speaker 1: Meanancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. Let's hear the rest of that nine one

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Speaker 1: one call? Why is it dead? And soul? And yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: So when did this happen? Yesterday? Middle of the day. Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the day. And when did she die? Yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Peter Chadwick? Wow? Peter Chadwick calling nine one one, multi millionaire,

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Speaker 1: and now these nine one one calls? Uh straight out

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Speaker 1: to Wendy Patrick joining me, California prosecutor author I've read

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Speaker 1: hired these two guys he's referred to as one and Chay,

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Speaker 1: and somehow they've taken his wife's body. How did that happen?

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of problems with a nine one

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Speaker 1: Everything about the voice, intonation, the hesitation, the lack of

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Speaker 1: So how many hours up past? Joining me an all

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Speaker 1: star panel? Dave Max, indicated talk show host Detective at

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Speaker 1: Where did the incident occur? Who is one and chay?

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Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley detective at Stephen Lampley dot com. Until the

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Speaker 1: on Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Chadwick claimed that he

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Speaker 1: There is a camera on you when you go through

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Speaker 1: That's not normally the thing that happens. During the initial contact,

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Speaker 1: So yes, our friends at CBS Karen Stark, we need

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Speaker 1: There's so many problems with his story. What glares out

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Speaker 1: How does it always boil down to his testicles? Something

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Speaker 1: where you know he could care less. So he's trying

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Speaker 1: to act as though this is important to him, that

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00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: it's killed him, that he's putting his hands over his face,

428
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: but meanwhile he's falling asleep. He's boring himself. And his

429
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: story is unusual for a psychopath. And the reason saying

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00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: that is that they're usually very planned and exact, and

431
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: they know exactly what they're going to say, even if

432
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: you and I don't think it'll make sense, they've worked

433
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: it out. This guy hasn't worked it out at all.

434
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: So his story becomes very involved, and all of a sudden,

435
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: his manhood comes to question and they're restraining him. And

436
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: what's the worst ways We're having testicles right to a

437
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: man and he's just revealing so much about who he

438
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: is rather than any truthful story Prime stories with Nancy Grace.

439
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: Police believe Queen may have also suspected Peter was cheating

440
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: on her, and Orange County DA Tony Ricocca says her

441
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: suspicions were confirmed in the most shocking way just days

442
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: before she was murdered Peter. It brought home some sexually

443
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: transmitted diseases and so that was creating a tremendous hardship

444
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: with her. Well, police still don't have enough evidence to

445
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,959
Speaker 1: prove Chadwick killed his wife until Queen's body is found

446
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: in a dumpster in suburban San Diego and the coroner

447
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: determines she had been strangled. The evidence is really is

448
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: really pretty clear. It includes pictures of Chadwick with scratches

449
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: on his neck, blood spatter, and the couple's bathroom evidence

450
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: of a fight there. And that surveillance video of the

451
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: family squv leaving their home with no sign of one

452
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: in the car. Okay, you know Dave Max, indicated talk

453
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: show host, don't you think that's a major piece of

454
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: this puzzle. He waltz is in the front door with

455
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: an STD and STD sexually transmitted disease, and then a

456
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: couple of days after that she goes missing. You don't

457
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: think that's connected, Dave Mack, Well, it has to be, Nancy.

458
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: You can't come home and tell your wife she needs

459
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: to take penicilla for your kidney infection. So what else

460
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: is she going to think? Where did he possibly get it?

461
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 1: And of course now the jig is up. She knows everything,

462
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: she has the proof, and as you heard in the report,

463
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: she's thinking about this and talking to others about possibly

464
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: ending the marriage. They've got money and property at stake,

465
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: plus three children. So in addition to waltzing in and announcing,

466
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: guess what, honey, I have an STD here's the penicillin

467
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: for you, are there any other motives? You just knew

468
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: and understood the fact that they did not have the

469
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: money people believed that they had, and she blew a

470
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: lot of their financial issues on Peter Investigators say the

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00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: Chadwicks were having frequent arguments and that Que was even

472
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: thinking about ending the marriage. We found out she did

473
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: talk about divorce a few times, but nothing was finalized,

474
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: and she didn't submit any paywork to the courts or anything.

475
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 1: And friend Karen Thorpe noticed if Que was increasingly distancing

476
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: herself from her husband. The last year or two, Que

477
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: was very much more independent than she had been. She

478
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: lost some weight, she was learning to do her makeup,

479
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: she was spending more money on herself on clothing, and

480
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: she would go on trips with her girlfriends at times.

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00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: And I don't know if Peter liked that very well.

482
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: When you look at the facts and the totality of

483
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: the circumstances, it's no surprise the Orange County District Attorney

484
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: Tony mccoccus came up with this. Now police formally charged

485
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: Peter Chadwick with the first degree murder of his wife strangler.

486
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: He took her to sand Go close to the border,

487
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: dumped her body in a dumpster, called the police, told

488
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: a crazy story, one that was not very believable, about

489
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: having been kidnapped by somebody named Juan. But believe it

490
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: or not, Da Racocus can't bring Chadwick to trial because

491
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: after being freed on a million dollars bail, Chadwick disappeared

492
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: nearly a year ago, never to be seen or heard

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00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: from since. Okay, wait a minute, explain this to me,

494
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: Dave Max indicated talks to your host. After all of this,

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00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: he gets charged with murder. He gets a million dollar bill.

496
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: That's nothing for a millionaire. A million dollars bill, that's

497
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars. That's like you were I coming

498
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: up digging up a thousand dollars on a ten thousand

499
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: dollars bill. For him, that's nothing. But that's what the

500
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: judge came up with and that's what he was released to.

501
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: He also there were some restrictions applied to that. As usual.

502
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: They pulled his passport for the UK and the US

503
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 1: and he had to live with his father in Santa Barbara,

504
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: which is north of where they were in Newport Beach.

505
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: Back to the bill, a million dollar bill. Why did

506
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: the court allow a million dollar bill? I'll tell you why.

507
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: I think the bond was lowered because Eddie Simmer, the

508
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: homicide prosecutor Matt Murphy, told the judge he didn't believe

509
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: there was enough evidence to make special circumstances stick. Special

510
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: circumstances I as seeking the death penalty, and that is

511
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: when the court lowered the bill to a million dollars

512
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: and Chadwick bills out. Let me tell you his neighbors

513
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: were horrified that his three little children would now be

514
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: living with him, and now he's on the run. How

515
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: do you think he did at Steve Lampley, Matthew, you're

516
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: talking about how he got away, Well, maybe why he

517
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: got away. Obviously he's running from the charge. But there

518
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: are any number of ways to disappear, and most of

519
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: the better ways is to go to Central not go

520
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: to Mexico. Mexico is not a point could go to,

521
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: but a lot of people you will find would be

522
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: going to Central or South America. And one of the

523
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: first things you do is gradually take your money out

524
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: a little by little, because you're deep money. He's apparently,

525
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: from what I understand, they're very master, very good master

526
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: of disguises. I've seen him in several different photos with

527
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: a beard, without beer glasses, head for the hairstyle. So

528
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: he's obviously on the run and he could be on

529
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: the run for some time. So Dave matt Chadwick has

530
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: now been on the lamb over four years. How much

531
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: longer can he make it? Is he getting help? You know, Nancy,

532
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: whether he's getting help or not. They know that he

533
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: actually cleared out bank accounts okay, up to a million

534
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: dollars maybe even more. He did it over a period

535
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: of time. They know that while that nine one one

536
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: call was so scattered and bad that over the last

537
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: several years, is he planned his escape? You think about it,

538
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: This guy went to court thirteen different times to kind

539
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: of lull everybody into a place of complacence, he believing

540
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: he was going to follow through with everything, all the

541
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: while getting money out of the bank, all the while

542
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: studying books about getting a new identity, about disappearing in

543
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: South America. This is a guy who plotted him, planned,

544
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: and then ron it's just time. A couple of days

545
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: before his fourteenth court appearance, he goes to the Santa

546
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: Barbara Airport. They got him on video cameras and everything else.

547
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: He goes in and hangs out in the airport for

548
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: six hours and then apparently leaves the airport in another

549
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: taxi and that's the last sign we have of him. So,

550
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: while that nine one one call was horrible and showed

551
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: he had didn't have a clue, the next couple of

552
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 1: years he plotted him planned, So yeah, he could stay

553
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: gone for a long long time. When you say he

554
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: plotted him planned for the next four years, what do

555
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: you mean by that? Well, he actually okay when you

556
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: look at he got out on bail, and he did

557
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: everything he was supposed to do. He moved in with

558
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: his dad, and he made thirteen straight court appearances, so

559
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: he was making them believe he's going to show up

560
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: in court. But right before the fourteenth court appearance, that's

561
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: when he goes missing. And in that time period, during

562
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: those thirteen court appearances, he was slowly taking money out

563
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: of the bank so that there were no red flags

564
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: for them. All of a sudden, He's got books that

565
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: they found after he left. He left behind two books,

566
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: in particular how to change your identity and how to

567
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: live on the run successfully in surviving in Mexico. So

568
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: when I say that he plotted and planned, is that

569
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: he was very thorough. This is a smart guy. He

570
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: knows the real estate world, he knows the business world.

571
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: And by the way, this is a guy who has

572
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: had dual citizenship. He became a naturalized citizen in ninety

573
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: one here in the US, I think, but he's a

574
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: UK citizen US citizen, and he's got international connections through

575
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: his real estate world, and that means he's got the

576
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: opportunity to have access to real estate that he knows

577
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: how to flip and cash that he carried with him.

578
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: We all know that a million dollars goes further in

579
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: other places than it does in the US. How much

580
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: money do you think you too with him, day Max.

581
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: I think at least a million, because that's what the

582
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: police are admitting to I'm guessing he had a lot

583
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: more than that. Wow, So coups can trace that much

584
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: and to use Stephen Lampley detective at Stephen Lampley dot com.

585
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: Why do you say he was a master of disguise?

586
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: Well as the pictures that I saw that there was

587
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: one he's got a guard cutter go kee with eyeglasses,

588
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: dark colored hair. There's another he's clean shaven, and the

589
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: pictures are hard to distinguish. He's very good at it,

590
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: and he could go off like they were saying. He

591
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: can off to say in the South American country, where

592
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: the money does last evenly, forever, and even to the

593
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: point of perhaps having plastic surgery. Nancy, this man has

594
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: the money and he has the wherewithal to do. That

595
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: depends on how bad he wants to stake on and

596
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: if he finds a little village somewhere, which is what

597
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: most of the books will tell you if you're if

598
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: you're running and you're on the limb, go to a

599
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: small village somewhere and be nondescript and just hang out.

600
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: Change your identity. When you say a small village, what

601
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Where? Well, anywhere in any country,

602
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: for a particularly South America, Central of South America, for instance,

603
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: Costa Rica. Anywhere as you're saying in South or Central America.

604
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: And also it must be noted that not all of

605
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: those countries cooperate with the US very well in tradition matters.

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00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: For right now, this is what we know. Peter Chadwick

607
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: has been named one of the US Marshal's fifteen most

608
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: Wanted fugitives. If you have information about this killer that

609
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: murdered his wife and abandoned his children, please call eight

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00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: hundred three three six zero one zero two. Eight hundred

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00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: three three six zero one zero two. Nancy Grace Crime Story,

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00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: signing off Peter Chadwick. You can run, but you can't hide.

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00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,479
Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,