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Speaker 2: And then and Tye, welcome back to the solid Verba

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Speaker 2: fine gentleman over there, the heart of the Midwest, the

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Speaker 2: wiser of the two Soliverble hosts Dan Rubinstein, Sir, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: How are you, my friend, Wiser? There are people shaking

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Speaker 2: things that really cut to the heart of college football,

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Speaker 2: where you can showcase your wisdom, Dan Rubinstein, we're letting

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Speaker 2: we're letting you shoulder the weight of content creation in

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Speaker 2: these cold dark months. Is what you're saying, Tys without

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Speaker 2: soliverbal at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: Is the email. We got a bunch of questions that

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Speaker 2: Email, social media, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, you name it. Of course,

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Speaker 2: for these episodes, hit subscribe, hit follow wherever it is

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Speaker 1: We talk about all things that drive the sport. Of college.

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Speaker 3: By the way, speaking of what, we're recording this on

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Speaker 3: Monday February twenty sixth, right, that's if I have my

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Speaker 1: Would that be Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: That would be the Notre Dame fighting Irish recruiting has

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Speaker 2: It starts today, Monday, February twenty sixth, when Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: all sad to say. It's true, Dan, It's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Stay here for all your Notre Dame decommitment news. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're saying, okay, now we're going to eleven games instead

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Speaker 2: But sometimes things are different, right, Sometimes different sports in

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Speaker 3: But it's inclusion for the sake of inclusion. It's not

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Speaker 1: And we'll get at a.

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Speaker 3: It hasn't dampened it to the point where I'm done

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Speaker 2: So. Yeah, So even that's the closest. Even if the

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Speaker 2: are still games on Saturdays, we will watch. I will

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Speaker 2: watch those games. I hope that they can preserve rivalries.

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Speaker 2: But to Ryan's question, I college football has been part

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Speaker 1: Man, it just will.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm a hopeless romantic, but that's just how I

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Speaker 2: feel now. The conversation about the playoff, I mean, on

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Speaker 3: Everybody gets an NCIS, everybody gets a playoff game.

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Speaker 2: Right, Like, we know this is profitable, we know that

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Speaker 2: this will sell commercials. Therefore, why don't we make an

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Speaker 2: NCIS in a New Orleans area? I don't like, Why

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Speaker 2: don't just Sidney n CIS origins? Yeah, origins, right that

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Speaker 2: new one. I haven't seen it, and I'm sure it's

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Speaker 2: a wonderful show, but it's probably not what the original

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Speaker 2: Jag was to the like the true jagheads in the universe, right,

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Speaker 2: like the real like deep on jag list serves. I'm

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, Is there like an IRC channel that's put jag talk.

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Speaker 3: That Like there are those like jag originalists who lament

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Speaker 3: the point stands where it's like, you take this thing

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Speaker 3: creatively or competitively, it makes the whole thing a little

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be zated. On tie, do you

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Speaker 3: think we'll see some breaking point with nil and what

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Speaker 3: do you think that might be? Okay, Uh, we may

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Speaker 3: have seen it over the last week. Okay, what has

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Speaker 3: lowest NIL moment to you if such a moment exists, right,

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Speaker 3: that like this is the assumption is that NIL is bad,

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Speaker 1: So I don't see. I don't think it's bad.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's introduced chaos. Yeah, it's certainly a

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Speaker 2: What's inherently bad is the way this day sport is

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Speaker 2: It's ironic in a sense because so much of college

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Speaker 2: The engine is running here and nobody's behind the wheel.

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Speaker 2: And that is the problem with NIL. Because NIL now

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Speaker 2: I think the breaking point, frankly was when they introduced

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Speaker 1: Like this is a good thing.

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Speaker 2: It's just this was almost rolled out too soon for

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Speaker 1: This complex well.

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Speaker 3: And collectives, you know, go against the spirit of what

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Speaker 2: this show. Because Matt Matt has whether he intended it

437
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Speaker 2: or not. Matt Brown Extra Points Newsletter. He has become

438
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 2: very knowledgeable in all things court cases, certainly with the

439
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Speaker 2: Foyer process.

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Speaker 1: We could talk about.

441
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Speaker 2: The video game next. Matt has been leading the charge

442
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: with reporting on that front. But we had Matt on

443
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 2: this show way back when talking about NIL when this

444
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,719
Speaker 2: thing had not yet passed, when it looked like it

445
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: was going to be on the horizon, and Matt said

446
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Speaker 2: that NIL could go one of two directions. It could

447
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Speaker 2: go in this direction frankly that we've been living the

448
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: last couple of years, which is pretty much anything goes.

449
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Speaker 2: Or it could go a modified direction where there are

450
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Speaker 2: more strict guidelines in place. At the time, it was

451
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Speaker 2: unclear as to whether the NCAA could even enforce those.

452
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Speaker 2: But basically, it's either going to be strict and legal

453
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 2: or completely legal.

454
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: Complete free for all wild Wild West.

455
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 2: And because they went the direction of just letting everything

456
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 2: be out there and free and legal and let people

457
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Speaker 2: let people negotiate on their own terms in the open market,

458
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: you know, it was probably always going to get to

459
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Speaker 2: a point where it was unenforceable and total chaos. But

460
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Speaker 2: I think we got there sooner than expected because of

461
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Speaker 2: the initial approach to making this thing.

462
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Speaker 3: Well, it's also because it's lehaired. It's a Stockton Malone

463
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 3: situation with the transfer the transfer portal. Yeah, right, that's

464
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Speaker 3: it goes hand in hand in that rosters are stripped

465
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Speaker 3: when coaches leave. Obviously, the new coach has very little

466
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Speaker 3: opportunity to keep a roster together because of the timing

467
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Speaker 3: of a new hire, because of the timing of players

468
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Speaker 3: enrolling in schools, and because of the allure of this

469
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Speaker 3: school is paying X hundreds of thousands of dollars or

470
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Speaker 3: x dozens of thousands of dollars per guy on their roster,

471
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Speaker 3: and you know, a certain point, it's just dollars and

472
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 3: cents and really bad timing for a lot of teams.

473
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Speaker 3: And so that has exacerbated everything with nil because as

474
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Speaker 3: we've seen and it's been written about, like the first

475
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Speaker 3: conversation that coaches and recruiting departments have at a number

476
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Speaker 3: of places with recruits with transfers is cutting to the

477
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Speaker 3: chase as to what current roster members and stars and

478
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Speaker 3: starters and all conference type players what they make right,

479
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: that there is that cutting to the chase element which

480
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 3: makes things, I guess more efficient on a certain level.

481
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Speaker 3: That things aren't drawn out longer than they need to be,

482
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Speaker 3: and recruiting or the transfer process, but also very different,

483
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Speaker 3: at least when it's been on the coaching and recruiting

484
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Speaker 3: staff level, very different than it's been in generations past.

485
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Speaker 3: And so I get people's trepidation with NIL. I get

486
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Speaker 3: people not loving the chaos, you know. I think the

487
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Speaker 3: low moment in terms of transfers this is also opt outs,

488
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 3: which is like a close cousin of the NIL transfer

489
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Speaker 3: portal conversation was Florida State Georgia and Florida State not

490
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Speaker 3: making the playoff, not seeing value and playing in the

491
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Speaker 3: Orange Bowl, that being an absolute blood bath of a game.

492
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Speaker 3: Georgia obviously with something to prove that they didn't make

493
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Speaker 3: the playoff and felt that they were playoff worthy they

494
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 3: were going to do everything they could to blow out

495
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Speaker 3: whoever they played, and the Florida State roster seeing no

496
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: Jordan Travis, seeing no playoff, just looking like a complete

497
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 3: shell of itself in a still high profile game. I

498
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: don't know if that's the moment in terms of like

499
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Speaker 3: the modern sport having its worst day.

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Speaker 1: I think it's one of.

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Speaker 2: Them, man that's up there. It's definitely one of them.

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Speaker 3: And you know, there's a conversation we had about bull season,

503
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Speaker 3: there's a conversation we had about how the bowls are

504
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 3: intertwined with the playoff and future playoffs whatever. But in

505
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Speaker 3: terms of the reaction I saw, I think that is

506
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Speaker 3: a tent pole low moment whatever. That is, right, that

507
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: was a deep well of a moment for this sport,

508
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Speaker 3: just because we are used to the Orange Bowl, the

509
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 3: Sugar Bowl, the Rose Bowl. And maybe you can point

510
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 3: to like the Ohio State receivers who didn't play a

511
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: couple of years ago in the Rose Bowl, but it

512
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 3: was still a really fun game and that was kind

513
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 3: of unaffected and that's just due to Ohio State's receiver depth.

514
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Speaker 3: But I think Florida State Georgia was definitely one of

515
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: those moments we were like, I don't know any of

516
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: these Florida State players are. There's a bunch of third stringers.

517
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of guys who you know, opted out

518
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 3: because NFL because the transfer stuff whatever. That's probably it.

519
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 3: If we're going to go specific, tie specific to what

520
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: would a future Rubicon moment be for name, image and likeness,

521
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: it would be something like, Hi, I'm DJ Lagway, and

522
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Speaker 3: I'm here to talk to you about the Saudi Sovereign

523
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: Wealth Fund. Right, maybe that's the line that can't be crossed.

524
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Speaker 3: Foreign government sponsoring, right, problematic foreign government lives.

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Speaker 1: College football? Here we go, right that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, we're already having conversations I think, like

527
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: about tennis going into that Oh my god, that way

528
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: in the way that golf has been. So yes, if

529
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Speaker 3: there is an individual, Hi, I'm Jeremiah Smith, and I'm

530
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: here to talk to you about Saudia Airlines or something,

531
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Speaker 3: that would be like, oh, I don't know how I

532
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: feel about this step. But luckily, I think there are

533
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: enough either official or unofficial guidelines so that a college

534
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 3: football player is not promoting a casino, is not promoting

535
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Speaker 3: perhaps unlicensed sexual goods or something like that. That and

536
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 3: then the foreign government interference into like, that's weird cal

537
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: spending fifty five million dollars on this recruiting class and

538
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: we're not sure where the money, like in dark money.

539
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 3: So I think that would be a step that would

540
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: make enough people queasy to be like, we should set

541
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Speaker 3: something more official up. But otherwise, no, I think it's

542
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: hand in hand with the portal stuff. It's hand in

543
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: hand with opt outs and I NIL wise, you know,

544
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: seeing a Heisman quarterback transfer because of just a pure

545
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: money grab that if you know, if Tim Tebow winning

546
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: the Heisman after his sophomore year was offered five million

547
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: dollars by a schools by San Diego State, Like, man,

548
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: this doesn't feel right, This doesn't feel like this is

549
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: the spirit of the sport in this moment.

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Speaker 2: His question is specifically about NIL, but it's it's hard

551
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: to kind of, I don't know, itemize these things out

552
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: because everything is so interrelated with NIL. It does feel

553
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: to me, though, if you are one of the cynics

554
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: among us, like NIL will be the monster that eats

555
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: its owner. Sure, like if there is going to be

556
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: any kind of mass revolution in the sport and the

557
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: way it is structured and organized, and you know, we

558
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: got questions about is a super League imminent and things

559
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: of the like, all of these fantastical ideas. I am

560
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: fairly confident that NIL will be the thing that gets

561
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: us there because it's a money conversation, and it's a

562
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: money conversation outside of the other money conversation, which is

563
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: about confidence realignment and TV inventory and expanded playoffs and

564
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: all of that crap. Nil is I think more elemental

565
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 2: to the way that the sport is set up. And

566
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: if we truly enter into this world where it is

567
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: more apparent as to who the haves and have nots are,

568
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: and if it becomes a parent that there are some

569
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Speaker 2: schools that just want to compete on a different plane,

570
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: that's when we start talking about a further breakaway state. Right.

571
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: If anything is going to make it happen, it's going

572
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: to be NIL. But as for the breaking point, I

573
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 2: think we're past that. Then I think we're past that.

574
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also.

575
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Speaker 3: I mean, for lack of a better term, kind of

576
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: a victimless situation point too smaller. You can point to

577
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: small schools getting their rosters gutted and it being that

578
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: much more difficult to compete if you are UAB, if

579
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 3: you are you know, North Texas, whatever. But the victim

580
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: here is the school who's been had this sort of

581
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: sense of entitlement that they should always keep the same

582
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: players for four or five, six years, no matter what,

583
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: because that's the way the sport has always been. And

584
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: now that they have a star corner who is being

585
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 3: offered more money by a bigger organization, that they can

586
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: then capitalize on their accomplishments. And so if that's the

587
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 3: quote unquote victim, it seems okay, not okay if you're

588
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: a North Texas mean Green fan. It's awful if you're

589
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: a North Texas mean Green fan. But I don't know.

590
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: The only certainty in life is what change. And it's

591
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: either too much for you understandable, find another sport, do

592
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: your thing, or you just ride the wave and you

593
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: start try to focus on the good rather than the unfortunate.

594
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: We got a question here from Mike via email. He says, Guys,

595
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: I am very excited for the new college football video game,

596
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: but and this is good since the last version of

597
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: the game dropped. I've graduated college, settled into a job,

598
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: gotten married, and started a family. Brag much geesh, ty,

599
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: Come on. It pains me to ask this because the

600
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: NCAA game series meant so much to me in my

601
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: formative years. But is this game.

602
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: Still for me? Good question?

603
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 2: That is a great question, is what is your answer?

604
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: Well, we talked about.

605
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: The game for forty five minutes on a bonus episode. Yeah,

606
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: and a lot of folks that listened to that episode

607
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: contacted us and they said you should really make this

608
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: available in the public feed, because I think I think

609
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: it spoke to the heart of maybe this issue with

610
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: a lot of the folks that have grown old with

611
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: the solid verbal and tend to like our opinions on

612
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: things like college.

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00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: Football video for yourself boom or continue right.

614
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: This game has meant a lot to us as well,

615
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: and on that episode, I think you and I talked

616
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: a lot about what it was like just growing up

617
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: with this as part of our college football fan experience.

618
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: Before college through college, after college.

619
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Speaker 2: I mean, I told you the story about my roommate

620
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: who pretty much dropped out of school to play in

621
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: C double A and bartend and would would simulate Penn

622
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: State through ninety nine seasons, at which point the game

623
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: would reset. That was what he did during the day.

624
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: We thought of all the class for the full saga.

625
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we thought he was going to class. He was,

626
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: he was playing in C double A. It was. It

627
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: was very much a part.

628
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Speaker 3: Of his college, like a family in the way that

629
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Speaker 3: this email or does not no question Askerry.

630
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Speaker 2: But clearly had other obligations that had been supplanted by

631
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: by NC double A. So we're no stranger to this game.

632
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: We're no stranger to this question. Let me kick it

633
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: to you first, okay, because you are the guy with

634
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: the family, and you are the guy with more responsibilities

635
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: than me. The uh, the lone podcaster overhearing in Eastern

636
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: PA who doesn't have kids out on yourself doesn't have

637
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: all those obligations. You have a family, You have familial obligations.

638
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: I don't have two kids. I know is a game

639
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: for you?

640
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: Okay, So more broadly speaking, this is just a life

641
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: philosophy that includes this question about you know, are you

642
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 3: too old to play the NCAA video game because you

643
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: have kids and a family and a job and a

644
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 3: four oh one K and a bah blah blah everything

645
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: that comes with being a quote unquote grown up. I

646
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: think I think you need to find stuff, no matter

647
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: what your age is, that you like that you've liked

648
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 3: since you were a kid. That anybody says that. Anybody

649
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: who says something like I don't know grown men shouldn't

650
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 3: I don't know a grown woman, sh and you're just

651
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 3: like but I like comic books, but I like video games,

652
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: but I like playing basketball with my friends. But I

653
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: like the occasional snickers bar, But I like you know,

654
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: enter like kind of youthful thing. I don't know if

655
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: snickers bars or youthful things not a sponsor could be.

656
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 3: But I think that line of thinking is pretty silly.

657
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 3: We're not around for a super long time. If we're lucky, Tie,

658
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: you know, you're around in your like eighties, right, And

659
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: I mean you're closer to that than I am. And

660
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: I guess there's a conversation between you and people of

661
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: your generation.

662
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: This is the longest running scannal of this of this podcast.

663
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: You with the age thing continue, mister Ages.

664
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 3: Anyway, I think if you love video games, you should

665
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 3: play video games. I think if you love board games,

666
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 3: you should play board games. I think, if if it's

667
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 3: something that connects you, especially socially to your friends that

668
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: perhaps live in a different place, and you can throw

669
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: on a headset and kind of talk shit while you

670
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: play Notre Dame cal while you play in Minnesota, Florida

671
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: state or whatever, and a dine in a one off whatever,

672
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: find the time.

673
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: To do it.

674
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do it, like at the expense of health obligations.

675
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 3: I wouldn't choose playing this game for seven hours a

676
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 3: day over working out or doing homework or doing you know,

677
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 3: going and doing a good.

678
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 2: Job at your work.

679
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: But I don't think you should not play this game

680
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: because you don't think it's appropriate for a forty four

681
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 3: year old to play. And so it depends on how

682
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 3: difficult the game is, and we mentioned this. I hope

683
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: there's a boomer mode that's just like just four orphans

684
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 3: and that's how you.

685
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 1: Play four button mode.

686
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that you don't have to recruit, that you don't

687
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: have to set up, you know, a program that you

688
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: can just connect to a server and spend a couple

689
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 3: hours playing a video game that brings you happiness, especially

690
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 3: if you're doing with people you like. I don't think

691
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: it's inappropriate for anybody of any age to do anything

692
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 3: that makes them happy. I think that's legal and that's

693
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: not harmful.

694
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 2: And concluding your like, I wouldn't take this tact about

695
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: like Meth.

696
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: No, you're like, well, I love Math when I was

697
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: twenty three. No, No, I think the NCAA video game

698
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: series is much healthier than meth. You can quote me

699
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: on the back of the game Electronic Arts. This is

700
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: a hot take.

701
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I the button thing has definitely been a

702
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: bit of a deterrent for me, and this does make

703
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: me sound like I'm the boomer among us. Yeah, but

704
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: I tried playing one of the latest versions of Madden

705
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 2: and there were so many button comedy.

706
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 3: What about other games, though, because that's like, could you

707
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: can you play like the latest Zelda game or the

708
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: latest like Mario Weell theme.

709
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: FIFA's probably the best example. FIFA has a ton of controls,

710
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: and it's taken me years to learn those. I'm still

711
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: not great at the game, but I know how to

712
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: do most of the stuff in the game now. It's

713
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: just taken a minute for me to get used to that. Yeah,

714
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: I found that when I tried to get used to

715
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: it on the Madden front, I couldn't. And I'm not

716
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: sure why. Maybe I just lost interest because it was

717
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: more buttons and I recall and you know, FIFA has

718
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: always had a ton of controls. Maybe that's why I

719
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: don't know, they didn't call it FIFA anymore. It's like

720
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: playing Zance Dance Revolution with your fingers. Yeah right, I

721
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: mean like it's high level. It's very complicated, and I

722
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: just I'm sure that there will be some sort of

723
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: mode to simplify that for people of our elder generation.

724
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: Who are used to a certain style of football when

725
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: they when they pop the hood on this thing. Is

726
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: this game for you, Mike it? I mean yeah, if

727
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: you were into the previous one and if this is something,

728
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: as Dan said, that that gives you, gives you life

729
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: and enjoyment or maybe a momentary distraction from whatever else

730
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: is going on in the then why not. I mean,

731
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: there's a lot on fire out there, Ty, there's a

732
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: lot of fire. And look, I mean back in the day,

733
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: this is ten years ago. Now they had a way

734
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: that you could connect with other people on the internet

735
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: and play your dynasty. I have to imagine it's going

736
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: to be even better now. I know it will be

737
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: better now. And it seems, based on some of the

738
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: reporting that's out there, that they're going to really steer

739
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 2: into the dynasty mode, the online dynasty mode that many

740
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: of us came to know and love over the years.

741
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: That is a great way stay connected with people out

742
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 2: there and that can play at whatever pace the other

743
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: folks in your dynasty think is appropriate.

744
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: So do it.

745
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: My million dollar idea, it's a free idea for the EA.

746
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: People that I know listen to the show need an

747
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: app to handle all the recruiting and all the menu,

748
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: all the administrative stuff. You need that Companion app on

749
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: your phone, on your phone so that when Mike is

750
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: at the office, maybe sitting on the can, I don't know.

751
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, try to kill maybe it's definitely

752
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: what Mike is on the can.

753
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, just trying to kill time at the office, like

754
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: everybody else at the office. You can fire up the

755
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: app and you can do your recruiting and you can

756
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: do all the administrative menu crap from the Companion app

757
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: on your phone. That is the million dollar concept. That

758
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: is what they should do with this, because if they

759
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: do that, then it makes the whole thing more accessible.

760
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: If you only have to walk into the console to

761
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: play your games and you can handle everything else through

762
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: an app, that's the move. So free idea, EA, if

763
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: you're listening, uh, to my knowledge, we are not yet

764
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: in the game. We're open to those conversations Cliverable at

765
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: gmail dot com, especially now that I gave you this

766
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: idea for the app.

767
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 3: By the way, just while we're on the topic of

768
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: free million dollar ideas or free billion dollar ideas, how

769
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 3: about every brewery and every town that hosts bachelor parties

770
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: set up an NCAA room set up like a.

771
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: I was drinking coffee. Yeah, wow yah.

772
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: Think about it.

773
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: Austin, Charleston, Miami, Nashville, any of these places that have breweries.

774
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: Which they all do.

775
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: They any place you go to Portland, Maine, you go

776
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: coast to coast. If you're doing a golf bachelor party

777
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: in Oregon or something like that, there's definitely like a

778
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 3: crazy cool brewery by whatever golf course people are going

779
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: to for their bachelor party, whatever people are doing. You

780
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: set up a private room with like a twenty foot

781
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: projection screen for like these eight dudes or whoever, and

782
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: you set up a PS five and you have, like

783
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: you know, you're bringing in wings and beer or whatever.

784
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 3: You're having servers come in and out of the private

785
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 3: and c doublea room with your dudes. And it costs

786
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 3: you basically nothing to pull off.

787
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: It's a great idea. It's a great idea.

788
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 2: And I appreciate the question here from Mike. I really do,

789
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 2: because I think this is sort of the unspoken question

790
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: that folks are asking themselves. We've had some folks on

791
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: our discord kind of speak to the spirit of this.

792
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: Would you do a reunion.

793
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 3: With your friends to play in c double a like

794
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: your friends are ware you're mostly in Pennsylvania, but you're

795
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 3: like Virginia, like you're sort of you've got.

796
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 1: Friends spread out. Yeah.

797
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're going to try and get the dynasty

798
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 2: back together. I mean, but are you going to try

799
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 2: to do something in person? Could you pull that off?

800
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: And each of you be forced to wear cargo shorts

801
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: or whatever you were wearing in two thousand and three

802
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: while playing this game, Like that should be the like

803
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: everybody's wearing Hollister or everybody's wearing cargo shorts.

804
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: Everybody's got pukahell neck. You need the Pooka shell. Yeah,

805
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: you got some like.

806
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: You got some dashboard vindicated sort of wafting in the

807
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: background somewhere.

808
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: I think what I don't know if there's going to

809
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: be a reunion based on solely based solely on this,

810
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: I think the reunion will happen online. I think there

811
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: will be some some subset of us or now because

812
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: again we've aged, there will be some kids of former

813
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: dynasty members who are part of There will be some

814
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 2: version of our old.

815
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 1: Dynasty that we that we boop back up, and.

816
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: That dynasty will be part of other gatherings, but it

817
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: probably won't be the reason that we descend upon you know, Norfolk, Virginia,

818
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: or Portland, Maine, or any of these other places where

819
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: friends have gone.

820
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: By the way, Another free idea while we're here, The

821
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: EA and IL deal is what six hundred bucks plus

822
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 3: a copy of the game, and it's being pitched to

823
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 3: like eleven thousand football players.

824
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: Something that's not enough money. People are screaming online, I

825
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: mean screening the.

826
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 2: Money is better than enough money.

827
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: They're treated like children.

828
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: You hear that, don't take the money. You're now number

829
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: forty one in the game. Who cares, dude, make your

830
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: own choice for you and yours.

831
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

832
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: I think there's a cool opportunity potentially to you can

833
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: offer some higher profile players more money. And if there

834
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: is like a you know, a big Oregon Ohio state

835
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 3: game Wednesday night, we could stream Dylan Gabriel playing against

836
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: Walker Howard in NCAA as sort of like hyping up

837
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: that weekend's game, and they get more money, You get

838
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 3: more exposure for the game, people get to like whoever

839
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: like the best high profile gamers are in the sport,

840
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 3: which I know these guys haven't played in an updated

841
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: version of this game in a long time. It's no

842
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 3: brainer for EA, no brainer for players. Make some more cash,

843
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 3: stream it and build up your following.

844
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: We have been we have been a proponent of this

845
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: game since the very beginning. Yeah, like very beginning. We

846
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: were doing our podcast in eight when this game.

847
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: I played this game. I played this game in like

848
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight on an old PC.

849
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were Our podcast sort of predates all.

850
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: Of the.

851
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 2: Legal mumbo jumbo that ended up happening with the NCAA

852
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: video game series.

853
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: So EA, people reach out, reach out.

854
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: We're open to any collabse that might exist.

855
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 3: Did you play against your non student bartender friend or

856
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: was he exclusively playing in his solo dynasty.

857
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: He didn't play any of the games.

858
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: Oh right, but you know you never played against him. No,

859
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: he didn't want him. He didn't want to play the game.

860
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: He just simmed the game so he could run the

861
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: administrative portion.

862
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: He would have been a huge fan of Matt Brown's

863
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: Athletic Director simulator game.

864
00:44:59,440 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: Right.

865
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: He didn't want to play the game. He wasn't good

866
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 2: at the game. All he wanted to do was recruit

867
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: and sim and he did it. I told the story.

868
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: People and there's isn't there a soccer version of that

869
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 2: football manager or something?

870
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean there's And you

871
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: could do.

872
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: That in the in the current EA soccer game as well,

873
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 2: if you really want to. Okay, but uh no, he didn't.

874
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: He didn't actually want to play the game. And there

875
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: were a couple of weeks where he got through ninety

876
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: nine years in one week.

877
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: He simulated ninety nine years worth of funny.

878
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: It's wild, absolutely wild, but he would do it on

879
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: the audit regular.

880
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: It's getting married and spending all of your time planning

881
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: the honeymoon and not getting to enjoy any of the

882
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 3: tropical and interpersonal benefits of going on a honeymt. He's like, no,

883
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 3: let me stop you right there. I've just been looking

884
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 3: at Kayak dot com all night. Not a sponsor could

885
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: be and I've locked everything in for you and whoever

886
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 3: you choose to go on our honeymoon with.

887
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: But again, EA, listen to me. That's the kind of

888
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: dude that gets into this game. Again, that's true. If

889
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: you've got the companion app.

890
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 3: The companion app, think about that's crucial. You need a

891
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 3: companion app, the poop app.

892
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't call it the poop app.

893
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: There's still a level of marketing. Let's call it what

894
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: it is. When would people be actually using this? The

895
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: NC doublea poop app? There you go, Yeah, the ncublea

896
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: poop app. Hypothetical ACC scenario, Dan, okay this when comes

897
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: to us?

898
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, awkward transitions.

899
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: Satya over on Patreon says, as a cow and Virginia

900
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: tech fan, Yeah, I'm not gonna ask questions, Sadya, just

901
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 2: going to take out your word. Is there a pathway

902
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: for my two teams to meet in the ACC title

903
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: game in twenty twenty four or twenty twenty five? Aside

904
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 2: from Florida State having a down year and Fernando being

905
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: well above the Mendoza line. That's a county Mendoza for

906
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 2: those of you out there, what else would need to happen?

907
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: I love this question, oh man, I love this question

908
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: because it is late February and we're all running high

909
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: on hopium right now. What would it take? I have

910
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 2: crafted a scenario by which this could be possible.

911
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: Okay, talk to me. What we need here is.

912
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: For the ACC to be a complete tire fire, correct, Yeah,

913
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: complete dinner fire, No undefeated teams.

914
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: Everybody needs two.

915
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: Conference losses, and this is short term, right short ted

916
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: twenty five, twenty six, somewhere in there at twenty four

917
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: this year or twenty five. Okay, so everybody two conference losses.

918
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: Conference a total tire fire. No undefeated teams. I think

919
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: it goes without saying. Is he referenced that Florida State,

920
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: not just Florida State, but probably Clemson. You know anybody

921
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: who we envision as one of the top teams in

922
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 2: the conference, Maybe Miami, maybe Louisville, I don't know who else.

923
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: All those teams need to take a step back. Total

924
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 2: freaking tire fire. The other thing that you notice when

925
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: you look at the ACC for this coming season, not

926
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: a whole lot of offenses that really scare you. Okay,

927
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: not a lot out there. I think there is a

928
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: case to be made that teams with really good defenses

929
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: can muddy this thing up, right, he can Johnny cash

930
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 2: your way into a conference title conversation. And by that,

931
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: of course, I mean the kicking and the gougeon and

932
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: the mud and the blood and the beer my boy

933
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: meets Sue, a boy named Sue. Excuse me, yeah, reference

934
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: that I always call out. I think defense is the

935
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 2: key here, so you kind of overlay that with the

936
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech.

937
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: Schedule, which we talked about in a previous episode.

938
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Virginia Tech has a fair amount back this season,

939
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: and it is not I can't believe I'm saying this.

940
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: This is going to come back to say, Okay, I'm

941
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: going to jot this down, We'll put this in our volcano.

942
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: I'm working on the volcano, the polcano. It is not

943
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: a stretch to me that Virginia Tech could end up

944
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 2: in that conversation anyway, because they've got a road game

945
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: against Miami the last week of September. They've got a

946
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: home game against Clemson in November that's a week after

947
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: Clemson plays Louisville, which I think is probably a pretty

948
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: big game, and then there's a bunch of games, a

949
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: bunch of tweeter opponents in between there that I don't

950
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 2: really know what.

951
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: To expect out of any of them.

952
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: Not saying Virginia Tech's going nine to three, but I'm

953
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: just looking at this acc schedule and there's just not

954
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: a whole lot on it that really frightens me.

955
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think Virginia Tech is the side of

956
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 3: this equation that's the troubling.

957
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: It isn't it isn't and I'm getting the cal okay right,

958
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: So Tech, I think is you don't need to squint

959
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 2: too hard to come up with the scenario in which

960
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: maybe Virginia Tech is. In that conversation the Cow portion

961
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 2: of this, Yeah, that gets a little dicey. Col schedule

962
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: is certainly not as workable, but it's also not a nightmare.

963
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: It's not a nightmare in terms of opponents. It is

964
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: a nightmare in terms of travel. Right because of this

965
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: new arrangement, they're taking three trips i believe, to the

966
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: East coast Florida State Pit and Wake Forest throughout various

967
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: portions of the season. They've also got a trip at

968
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: the beginning of the year to Auburn and then a

969
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: trip to SMU towards the latter part of the year.

970
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: So that's a lot of travel that they're going to

971
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: have to contend with. But to saw his point, like,

972
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: if Fernando Mendoza isn't a disaster, or whoever the quarterback is,

973
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 2: it's not a disaster, and they can find a way

974
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 2: to mount offense. And if we can get back to

975
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: like the good old days of cal playing defense, which.

976
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: Was like four years ago.

977
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 2: Now, I guess if you can muddy it up enough

978
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: to keep things interesting and if the rest of the

979
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: conference is down. I don't think this is a crazy hypothetical.

980
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: I don't think it's likely, but I think you could

981
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: put together a reasonable set of circumstances by which we're

982
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: talking about Caln Virginia Tech. Maybe not in the game,

983
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 2: but as part of the conversation around who gets into

984
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: the I think it's possible.

985
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: I think you're kind of full of s of course,

986
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: am full of it.

987
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a hypothetical, But where was I wrong

988
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: with any of that stuff that I said?

989
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 3: No, I mean, you can talk yourself into Virginia Tech

990
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 3: growing into something interesting after you know, the back half

991
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 3: of their twenty twenty three. But really it's the Cal

992
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 3: component of this. And Fernando Menzo's had moments, but they

993
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: lost their offensive coordinator, Jake sabotoal To. I think Baylor, Yeah, yep,

994
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 3: So starting over there, I think what Cal needs is

995
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 3: they need the other Shoe to drop, and more specifically,

996
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 3: Tony Shoe, founder of door Dash, worth upwards of two

997
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 3: billion dollars, and we need to make it rain up

998
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: up in Berkeley, So that would.

999
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: Be a wonderful nil opportunity, right college door dash? Are

1000
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: you kidding me?

1001
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 3: College kids door dash? Tony shoe worth billions of dollars allegedly,

1002
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 3: why isn't he contry? Well, suddenly you're flying players on

1003
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 3: the nicest charter back and forth across the country, and

1004
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 3: so perhaps they're getting more rest, perhaps it's more meaningful.

1005
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 3: Maybe they're tutors aboard to keep them locked in on

1006
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 3: academics where it's very important at CAL obviously, and you

1007
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 3: just say, hey, for the next two years, we are

1008
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 3: spending forty five million dollars a year on the roster

1009
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: thanks to Tony Schue door dash.

1010
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: It's perfect. That's the thing. I believe more than Cal

1011
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: could bunk it up. And who knows ACC's white up.

1012
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 2: Now, I didn't use that voice.

1013
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 3: That's what I heard. That's what that was the voice.

1014
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 3: That was the Charlie Brown wah wah wah voice I heard.

1015
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 3: Because it's not happening for Cal short of some sort

1016
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: of what informational finance?

1017
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: What if? What if Justin Wilcox turns Cal into Iowa West?

1018
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: What if?

1019
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 3: What if all into Iowa West? But what you're doing

1020
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 3: is you're saying that, like what Iowa's done is replicable

1021
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 3: with Phil Parker.

1022
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: It's not.

1023
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: But this isn't replicable either any of the stuff that

1024
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: I've described. In a hypothetical universe where Cal and Justin

1025
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 2: Wilcox fully commit to the defensive bit, yeah, and they

1026
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: have something of a workable offense all right, not much,

1027
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: but just enough to make things interesting and win a

1028
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: bunch of close games because of their defense. Because again,

1029
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 2: look at the offenses in the ACC this year, look

1030
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 2: at them.

1031
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 3: Like, I think you're better off taking Tony Shoe, flying

1032
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 3: him to Iowa City and buying Iowa's returning defensive players

1033
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 3: than like hypothetically turning Cal into Iowa, giving Phil Parker

1034
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 3: seven million dollars.

1035
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: And it's like, live in the Bayer for two years.

1036
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: That's it.

1037
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 3: Here's fourteen million dollars to live in the Bay Area

1038
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 3: for two years. With that, you can afford a small

1039
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: studio condo in San Francisco. I think that's the actual Like,

1040
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 3: if we're going to talk about realistic paths, that's probably

1041
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: the move to do. And you got to you're probably

1042
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: getting rid of Justin Wilcox and spending a ton of

1043
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 3: money on whoever on Nick Saban available and giving him

1044
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 3: forty five million dollars to play with. That's the quicker

1045
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 3: path to me than just heaving the weird things happen

1046
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 3: ball up.

1047
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: In the air.

1048
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: Final question, money, ty, It just takes money.

1049
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: Final question.

1050
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, on this golf up there for Nick Saban? Right, Yeah,

1051
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: you want to hire Nick Saban, That's.

1052
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, Get rid of Justin Wilcox. Throw throw

1053
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 3: eighteen million dollars at Nick Saban and you know, have

1054
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: an assistant pool of another eighteen. I'm still waiting for

1055
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 3: somebody Strawberry Canyon. Somebody needs to try this. Eventually, somebody will.

1056
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 3: I mean we're talking all these nil circumstances here. Yeah,

1057
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 3: we need we need some dark horse program with a

1058
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 3: rich booster to just decide that they want to be

1059
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 3: part of college football on the championship level and give

1060
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 3: Adam Durretz a half hour in a room with Tony

1061
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 3: Schue counting cross. That's all it takes.

1062
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: A final question here for part one. Yeah, this is

1063
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: from c Wheelan eighty eight on Instagram. Okay, this is

1064
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,479
Speaker 2: a question for you, Dan, and this sort of puts

1065
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 2: a nice little bow on everything that we can hear.

1066
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: Just a question for me, Well, we can both talk

1067
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 2: it through. The question is if Florida football was a

1068
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: pizza topping, which would it be?

1069
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 3: If Florida football were a pizza topping, which would it be?

1070
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 3: So you'll have to figure out a way to define

1071
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 3: Florida football in a way to connect it to a

1072
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 3: pizza topping.

1073
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: So I think that's more broadly speaking, So where where

1074
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: is Florida football at right now? Florida football, I think

1075
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 2: is trapped in this perpetual state of wanting to be

1076
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 2: more than it is. Yeah, and there is clearly disappointment

1077
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 2: among the fan base.

1078
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of different ingredients inside not really working,

1079
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 3: different coaches yep.

1080
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,959
Speaker 2: So there there's a lot going on. But I think

1081
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 2: the common thread seems to be expectations are vastly superior

1082
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: to the actual product, which pizza toppings for you speak

1083
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 2: to that delta, Well.

1084
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 3: I don't think the expectations are unreasonable. Maybe the expectations

1085
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 3: for Billie Napiers Florida are unreasonable, But for a for

1086
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 3: a program the University of Florida, given local talent, given

1087
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 3: you know, now ancient history going back to the mid odds,

1088
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 3: to what two thousand and six and two thousand and

1089
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Speaker 3: eight were the championship seasons, given some of the recruiting classes,

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Speaker 3: given some of the coaches that they've attracted in a

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Speaker 3: good way, Spury or an Urban give even some recent results.

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Speaker 3: Recent defenses have been extremely strong. You know, the best

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Speaker 3: of Dan Mullen's Kyle trask Era was an SEC East champion. Yes,

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Speaker 3: played in a very entertaining SEC championship game. That there's

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Speaker 3: a lot to like about this topping this component, but

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Speaker 3: perhaps the expectation of performance given current circumstances. I'd say

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Speaker 3: meatballs meatballs on pizza. I think meatballs don't really have

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Speaker 3: a good place on pizza. I think they tend to

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Speaker 3: dry out.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 3: It's a little too hefty for a thin pizza, and

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Speaker 3: I think pizzas are better served with thinner or smaller

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Speaker 3: cut meats or vegetables. And if you slice a meatball,

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Speaker 3: I think I'd much rather just have like sausage or

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Speaker 3: pepperoni or something, or some sort of Italian cured meat.

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Speaker 3: It just doesn't quite work. Even though everybody loves meatballs

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Speaker 3: that eats meat, and everybody loves pizza, and so why

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Speaker 3: not put those two together, and I just I think

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00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 3: it's a similar fit to BILLI Napier, the worst of

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Speaker 3: wilmas Champ, the worst of Dan maull in the world,

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Speaker 3: worst of Jim mcelwaine. That I just think fit wise,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 2: On pizza, I think it's Canadian bacon, Okay, high profile

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Speaker 2: with the Hawaiian pie. Yeah, not a fan of bacon

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Speaker 2: just in general. On pizza, I think better options. Right,

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Speaker 2: you've got pepperoni, You've got sausage. For me, those are

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00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: both better options than bacon or Canadian bacon. I don't

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Speaker 2: really like Canadian bacon, but yeah, I think I think

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Speaker 2: for me, it's one of those deals where it sounds

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Speaker 2: good and then you try it and you don't get

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Speaker 2: a whole lot out of it.

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Speaker 3: I like a good chicken and bacon pizza, chicken bacon ranch,

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Speaker 3: something like that that can work well too much, too much, No,

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Speaker 3: I don't need that much on my pie. I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: I pie like pepperoni. That's basically it at this point.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think the Canadian bacon's a good answer.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm trying to think of, like, like,

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Speaker 3: the potential seems very high for Florida, but I don't.

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Speaker 3: But nobody seems to be able to get it right,

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Speaker 3: at least not lately, And that to me is meatball.

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Speaker 1: Right in solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: At gmail dot com, let us know your thoughts on

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Speaker 2: this and other pressing college subject The beauty of a

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00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: meatball is that it's a ball, and you can't put

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Speaker 2: the full ball on a pizza, so then you're having

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Speaker 2: meatball slices or meatball chunks, and it's getting away from

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Speaker 2: the main thing.

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Speaker 1: Keep the main thing, the main thing.

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Speaker 3: Keep them like you get that good red sauce or

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Speaker 3: sweet sauce, however you like your meatballs, and just let

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00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 3: those Let those breathe, Let your balls breathe. Ty, that's

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Speaker 3: what we always say on the show, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Why do we go out on that note? I

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Speaker 2: am Ty Hilton Randy's Dan Rubinstein for Ballers dot Com

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Speaker 2: you are listening or watching this podcast again, two episodes

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Speaker 2: per week all throughout the college football off season. We've

1153
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Speaker 2: got a part two of this episode coming up on Thursday.

1154
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Speaker 2: We're going to talk a little bit more about that

1155
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 2: big ten sec dynamic that seems to be gaining in

1156
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Speaker 2: prominence wherever you read about college football, specifically about the

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Speaker 2: sport and how it's governed and run and the structure

1158
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 2: within college coach trends, which is another hot button issue

1159
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Speaker 2: at the moment. And I think we're going to dip

1160
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Speaker 2: our toe in the way too early top twenty fives

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Speaker 2: that are out there.

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a question from Kenneth out on Twitter

1164
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,959
Speaker 2: about that, and I thought it was an interesting way

1165
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 2: to digest where things stand here in the college football

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Speaker 2: off season. That We've got some other stuff that we'll

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Speaker 2: talk about on the next episode, but in the meantime, again, yeah,

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Speaker 2: make sure you hit subscriber or follow, Make sure you

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Speaker 1: For that guy over there, Dan, for myself Tied, talk

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Speaker 1: to you soon, Space. Peace,