1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: President Trump wrote the book The Art of the Deal. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 2: Will he be able to strike a deal between Russia 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: and Ukraine? Also, President Trump is currently working on a 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 2: deal with Ukraine that would give the United States access 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: to natural resources in Ukraine in exchange for America's support 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 2: amid this war with Russia. So what does that deal 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: mean and why does it matter? We'll dig into the 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: details of that today on this episode. 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: Lastly, President Trump. 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: Has been critical of Ukrainian President Zelenski. 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: Is there a strategy behind that? What should you know? 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: We'll get into all of this with Rebecca Koffler. 13 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: She's a Russian born US intelligence expert who served as 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 2: a Russian doctrine and strategy specialist in the Defense Intelligence Agency. 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: She's also the author. 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 2: Of Putin's playbook, Russia's Secret Plan to Defeat America. Stay 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: tuned for Rebecca Kaffler. Well, Rebecca, it's great to have. 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: You on the show. 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 2: Obviously, a lot of Ukraine news to cover, so I'm 20 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: looking forward to getting your input and what it all means. 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: So appreciate you making the time, of course, So I 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: kind of want to start out with, you know, just 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: big picture. You know, where does this war between Ukraine 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: and Russia stand today. 25 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 3: Well, the war continues. 26 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 4: Actually, the Russians keep on destroying Ukraine. Uh they recently 27 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 4: launched just a barrage of missiles. Wooden is not slowing 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 4: down because for two reasons. 29 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: You know, he wants to. 30 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 4: Put pressure on the Trump administration to get the best 31 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 4: deal possible. And in fact, he doesn't even have to 32 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 4: to uh end this war because he has positioned himself 33 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 4: in a very good situation from the military standpoint. And 34 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 4: when I say in the good situation, I don't discount 35 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 4: the fact that the Russians have lost, you know, at 36 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 4: least half a million people. They have been going through 37 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 4: their weapons, arsenal and that kind of thing. But the 38 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 4: benefits outweigh the cost for the Russians. And the second 39 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 4: reason why Putin continues is that he wants to also 40 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 4: to demonstrate to Zolensky that Russia is not going to 41 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 4: relent until Ukraine either capitulates or Zolensky holds the elections, 42 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 4: because currently Zelenski is not a legitimate president of Ukraine 43 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 4: by the Ukrainian constitution itself, and Putin will not negotiate 44 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 4: with Zolanski. His term expired back in May and so 45 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 4: the war continues. 46 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: So the war continued. 47 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: It tell us, what what does the Ukrainian constitution say 48 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: when when you say that technically Zelensky is not you know, 49 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: you know what he's doing right now, explain that a 50 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: little bit further right, So he's not a legitimate president, 51 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: is what I was. 52 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 4: So he in uh term expired back in May uh 53 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 4: he had invoked like our version of the martial law 54 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 4: right which says that there cannot be elections right now, 55 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 4: that because Ukraine is at war, So he kind of 56 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 4: put himself in an a legal conundrum. He also put 57 00:03:53,960 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 4: another sort of law approved which prohibits government from. 58 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: Negotiating with Putin. 59 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 4: Not many people know that they cannot be elections right now. 60 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 4: Also because the only entity does hold the authority to 61 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 4: negotiate on peace or to make any kind of like 62 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 4: legitimate straight state craft actions is the Rada, the Parliament 63 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 4: of Ukraine. But Lensky controls the Arrada by virtue of 64 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 4: his vow winning the majority in the Rada. 65 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: So it's kind of like a chicken and egg problem. 66 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 4: And does Lensky as far as I'm concerned, and I've 67 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 4: been saying it for three years at this point. 68 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 3: He's a con artist. 69 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 4: I mean, he has built this image in the West 70 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: that he's a Churchill in a T shirt. But he's 71 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 4: a miniature putin what he was able to do where 72 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 4: the West with the United States, just like what President 73 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 4: Trump has tweeted out the other day or posted on 74 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 4: his true social he basically called them a dictator who 75 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 4: was able to manipulate Biden into giving him billions and 76 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 4: billions of US taxpayers hard earned money. So, and he's 77 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 4: continuing to sort of to drag us into this war. 78 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 4: He's continuing to put pressure on the Trump administration to 79 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 4: give Ukraine membership in NATO, which is a completely a 80 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 4: red line for Pool. 81 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 3: He has been for years. That's why putting started this war. 82 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 4: Zelenski is even offering to step down. Well, these are 83 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 4: all games, right, He's just trying to stay relevant because 84 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 4: he knows the end of him is near and once 85 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 4: he's no longer president of Ukraine, he's going to be 86 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 4: an old one. And until he is, even if though 87 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 4: he's legitimate, he's still in. 88 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 3: The news somewhere, you know, if you can potentially strike 89 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: book deals and this and that. 90 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 4: So and we unfortunately, uh, the United States are dragged 91 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 4: in into this circus. 92 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: Would he win if he held elections? You know, do 93 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: we have. 94 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: Any sense of his popularity with the Ukrainian people? 95 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: Is there a good way to gauge. 96 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 4: That Lensky's air too popularity according to intelligence assessments is 97 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 4: that four percent. 98 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 3: However, the agency. 99 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 4: Has done the popularity polling in Ukraine. 100 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 3: Has been funded by the USAID. 101 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 4: That agency has rated his popularity at about fifty low 102 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 4: fifty percent. But we all know that USAID basically has 103 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 4: been funding you know, leftist projects, So those numbers are 104 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 4: not credible. The fifty percent approval rating, So I go 105 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 4: with the intelligence assessments, and some members of President Trump's 106 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 4: team have actually revealed those numbers. So it is impossible 107 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 4: for Zelenski to win at this point. And that is 108 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 4: really because his low approval ratings is because people are 109 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: tired of this war. I mean, the close to a 110 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 4: million of Ukrainians are dead, fifty percent of Ukrainian critical 111 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 4: infrastructure is destroyed. They see no victory in this war. 112 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 4: In fact, this victory has been you know, mathematically impossible 113 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 4: from the from the very start. So they want this 114 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 4: to end the conundrum, another conundrum. In addition to the 115 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 4: legal conundrum that Zelenski boxed himself in is that if 116 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 4: you hold the elections, and President Trump is insisting. 117 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: On those elections being. 118 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 4: Held in Ukraine because otherwise putting this simple and not 119 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 4: going to negotiate. 120 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 3: Right. The conundrum that everybody is concerned. 121 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 4: About is that it's the Russian playbook to influence elections. 122 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 3: And the concern both of the Europeans and. 123 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 4: Of the Ukrainians is that Putin's special services, the spy 124 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 4: agencies are going to run contestant operations to try and 125 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 4: elect a pro Russia person as president. But that is 126 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 4: just like how things are. Another piece to that is 127 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 4: Zelenski out lawed all of the opposition parties, right, so 128 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 4: technically no party right now that is opposing Zolensky can run, 129 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 4: you know, can put the candidate. So there's a lot 130 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 4: of moving parts, right And unfortunately President Trump, you know, 131 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 4: he has this very short timeline and his team is 132 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 4: pushing both Zolensky and UH and and Putin to UH 133 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 4: to strike this deal. But things just don't happen that 134 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 4: fast in Russia or Ukraine. And part of it, it's 135 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 4: not just cultural, but part of it is all of 136 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 4: these different, you know, nuances that have been created by 137 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: Zolensky himself. 138 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: So he probably wouldn't win reelection. 139 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I would say ninety nine point nine percent. 140 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 4: You know, he's not he will not win. 141 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: We've seen President Trump, you know, take some aim at 142 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 2: Zelensky and he's been on the receiving end of criticism 143 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,599 Speaker 2: from Democrats as a result of that. You know, is 144 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 2: there a strategy behind that criticism of Zelensky? Is there 145 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: intentionality between behind that or you know, why do you 146 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 2: think he's why do you think the president is taking 147 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: some shots at Zelenski. 148 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: Two things. 149 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 4: President Trump wants Zolensky to just shut up because Zelensky 150 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 4: has been speaking too much. President Trump has a very 151 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 4: specific strategy. He's a deal maker right in the Art 152 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 4: of the Deal, the book that he wrote and was 153 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 4: promoting it back in nineteen eighty seven, he said, I 154 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 4: like to make the deals. 155 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: That's what I do and does. 156 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 4: Lensky needs to stay out of Trump's way and not 157 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 4: give interview undermining Trump's ability to conduct those negotiations. Uh, 158 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 4: Zelensky is refusing, you know, to make the ideal on 159 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 4: the rare earth minerals. He is telling you know, the Europeans, 160 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 4: that he still wants Ukraine to be part of NATO, 161 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 4: he wants security guarantees, he wants this, he wants that. 162 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 3: He wants small weapons. Uh. 163 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 4: President Trump wants him to stay quiet and only come 164 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 4: if he becomes actually a legitimate person to conduct negotiations, 165 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 4: and at this point he isn't. And the second part 166 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 4: to President Trump's strategy is that Britain Trump is a 167 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 4: realist and he actually speaks the truth. When President Trump 168 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 4: says Zolensky is the dictator, he's actually being calended and honest. 169 00:11:59,280 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: Uh. 170 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 4: As I said, Lensky passed all of these various you 171 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 4: know laws, whether it's he outlawed all opposition parties, he 172 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 4: outlawed all the Russian language media. And remember twenty percent 173 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 4: of Ukrainian land and Dambas, the Russians lived there, and 174 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 4: they were not able during Zelenski's presidency to listen to 175 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 4: have their own. 176 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 3: Native language TV. I mean imagine that, and I'm. 177 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 4: Saying Zolenski's intelligence service, the Sbu Slub speaking. 178 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 5: Ukraine, was grabbing Ukrainian men off the streets to send 179 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 5: them on the front lines because they're just running out 180 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 5: of people. 181 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 4: The average age of the Ukrainian soldier is approximately forty five. 182 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 4: I mean, imagine, and those are not like American you know, 183 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 4: type forty five. These are men who are you know, 184 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 4: they look and act more like in their sixties because 185 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 4: they don't have the same healthcare that we do here. 186 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 4: You know, Alcoholism is rampart in Ukraine as it is 187 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 4: in Russia. And so this is the guy that that 188 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 4: you're dealing with. And President Trump is the only one 189 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 4: who actually is brave enough to say the quiet part 190 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 4: out loud. 191 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 3: To call him out. He's not Trump is. 192 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 4: Not afraid of being called, you know, Putin's puppet, because 193 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 4: there's nothing you can do to him anymore. 194 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: They've they've tried everything, they. 195 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 4: Called him, you know, the Russia Trump collusion, They've done 196 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 4: all of these things to him, and so there's nothing 197 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 4: that he's afraid. He's just calling a spade a spade. 198 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 4: At this point. He's the manipulator, he's the Connatistino Zelenski. 199 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 4: He's siphoned off three hundred billion dollars out of the Biden. 200 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 3: Administration. You know, well, and those are our money, right, 201 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 3: that is our money. 202 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 4: And President Trump is trying to recoup some of that 203 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 4: money right now to make the American people's full that's 204 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 4: what he's doing. 205 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 3: That's his strategy. 206 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: We've got more with Rebecca, but first, the news has 207 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: been moving so fast that it's hard to keep up 208 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: and easy to get distracted. 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Why is Lensky untouchable? 228 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm not sure I understand the question. 229 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 4: Uh what do you mean? Why is he untouchable? Who 230 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 4: believes that he's untouchable? 231 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: Well, I would say the left and many in the media. 232 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 3: Because they have created him. I mean look at. 233 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 4: Uh so okay, So two parts to this. First, why 234 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 4: did this war start? And why did the United States 235 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 4: under the Biden administration engage in. 236 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 3: This proxy war with over control of Ukraine. 237 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 4: Why did Europeans engage in this It is because the 238 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 4: Europeans did not want to spend money on their own security, 239 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 4: even though they knew about Putin's plans a decade ago. 240 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 4: I personally briefed NATO in September twenty thirteen, just months 241 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:30,359 Speaker 4: prior to Russia's invasion of Crimea. I briefed in Brussels, 242 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 4: Belgium on Putin's mindset, his plans and intentions, Russian war 243 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 4: fighting strategy. Everybody knew what was going to happen, and 244 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 4: yet the Obama administration kept slashing US force pasture in Europe, 245 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 4: and the Europeans never at that point even bothered to 246 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 4: pay two percent of their JEDP towards the collective security 247 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 4: kitting right, only very few countries Poland and the Baltics, 248 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 4: led me Estonian and Luthenia paid their fair ship. So 249 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 4: once Puttain invaded, they woke up and decided, okay, we're 250 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 4: just gonna get some weapons to Ukraine, effectively throw Ukraine 251 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 4: into Putin's mad grinder, use Ukrainians as human shields by 252 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 4: having them fight Puden and deplete Russia's weapons arsenal Right, 253 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 4: this is what Lloyd Austin, the former Secretary of Defense 254 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 4: in a Bide administration, again said the choir part out loud. 255 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: He admitted it. 256 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 4: We are wanting to weaken Russia militarily and economically. And 257 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 4: that's that is why they want to keep Zelenski, you know, 258 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 4: because the Lenski did not want to stop the war. 259 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 4: He didn't he refused to negotiate. Right, That's why Boris 260 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 4: Johnson went over there when the Russians were trying. When 261 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 4: the Russians encircled Ukraine, one hundred and ninety thousand troops 262 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 4: putting put up there, right, before the war they were 263 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 4: trying to negotiate Zolenski. Hughes Johnson put pressure on them 264 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 4: because they wanted to protect themselves. They didn't care about Ukrainians, right, 265 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 4: and so the same about the left here and the 266 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 4: Biden administration. They did not want to develop a counter 267 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 4: strategy to Putin. They did not want to invest in 268 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 4: our modern weapons, arsenal rights such as hypersonics, such as 269 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 4: tactical nuclear weapons. Because remember the reason why we can't 270 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 4: deploy forces into the theater US forces not only because 271 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 4: Trump that want to, but the reason Biden didn't want 272 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 4: to because Putin gave in the United States made militarily 273 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 4: having developed escalate to de escalate nuclear strategy and having 274 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 4: transitioned his military industrial complex onto what I'm putting seven 275 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 4: years prior to the invasion. If we provided more weapons, 276 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 4: if the conflict escalated, Putain would go nuclear. And he 277 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 4: even demonstrated the hyperstonic missile capability and all of these, 278 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 4: you know, high tech things that we had no response to. 279 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 4: And so that is why both the Europeans and the 280 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 4: Democrats wanted to crop up Zelenski so that war continues, 281 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 4: so that we do not have to you know, spend 282 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 4: our money on our defenses and so that we don't 283 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 4: have to put our troops in let just Ukrainian. You know, 284 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 4: people keep dying in in in puting you know, meat 285 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 4: grind or even in his nuclear furnace, because that would 286 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 4: have happened if Strump, if Trump did not step in, 287 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 4: if Trump did not de escalate this, we were firmly 288 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 4: on a path to nuclear war in in Europe. 289 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: Well, because I just think that. 290 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: You know, viewing it clear eyed is the healthiest, and 291 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: that you know, obviously Putin is a dictator and you know, 292 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: not a great guy. But then I also think we 293 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: have to be honest about what's going on in Ukraine 294 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 2: as well, because you know, in order to try to 295 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: figure out how to end this thing, you know, you 296 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: have to have that realistic viewpoint which you mentioned, which 297 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 2: is the way I think that I agree with you 298 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: in the way that President Trump views the world, because 299 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 2: if you're looking at it through rose colored glasses, then 300 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: you know you're not gonna be able to solve the problem. 301 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: Right. 302 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: To solve a problem, you have to, you know, fully 303 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: understand the problem and you know the different moving parts, 304 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: and the player is involved. 305 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 3: Yes, not only you're not going to solve the problem. 306 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 4: You are going to make your country poorer. We are 307 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 4: now three hundred billion dollars poorer, right and our weapons 308 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 4: arsenal is depleted. 309 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: To dangerous levels, Lisa. 310 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 4: Some of the weapons systems is gonna take from five 311 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 4: anywhere from five to eighteen years to replenish. Okay, our 312 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 4: stock pile has dwindled in a major, major way on 313 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 4: on Biden's watch. And that's why that's another reason why 314 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 4: President Trump wants to put an end to this conflict, 315 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 4: because he wants to stop the bleeding not only of 316 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 4: Ukraine but of our own military hardware. Because we have China, 317 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 4: you know, on the horizon to deal with that is 318 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 4: getting ready to you know, secure control over Ukraine. That 319 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 4: has been their long term strategic goal. Right, So in 320 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 4: a year or two and we got no weapons, uh 321 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 4: to to to. 322 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 3: To fight them with. 323 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 4: And UH Secretary of State Rubyo today admitted on on 324 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 4: Fox News that that uh, China is able to build 325 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 4: you know, ten fighter jets and and and and ten ships, 326 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 4: while we're building just one barely because of our you know, 327 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 4: crazy procurement processes UH in the Pentagon. So yes, Trump 328 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 4: is absolutely a realist and uh. 329 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 3: Yes, Putin is a dictator. Nobody is arguing about that. 330 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 4: Uh, but look, the United States has dealt with dictators 331 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 4: for decades. We're dealing with the shi Jin king all 332 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 4: the time, and we are highly highly dependent on China. 333 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 4: And he looked at he he's as much of an 334 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 4: assassin as Putin is. Look look at what he's done 335 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 4: to h Wersu. We are dealing with it with the 336 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 4: thought is right. And those are the people who chop 337 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 4: up journalists and put them in the suitcases. Right, we 338 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 4: dealt with Mama Khadafi. I mean it's not I don't 339 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 4: know why they have like a potent derangement syndrome. They 340 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 4: left us. Putin is you know, he's capable of dealing 341 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 4: with the US on a transactional basis, you know. And 342 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 4: Trump doesn't care how Putin treats the Russians, or how Ukrainian, 343 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 4: how Zelenski treats Ukrainians, or she treats the Chinese. President 344 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 4: Trump cares about Americans. He wants to put our security first. 345 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 4: It's not already that we've been sending our men and 346 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 4: women into someone else's war to secure someone else's freedom. Well, 347 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 4: what about our freedom. So that's what you know, Trump 348 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 4: is doing. And he decided that it's time to enter 349 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 4: this war and to call Zelenski on his you know, 350 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 4: on his bluff, and to call for who he is, 351 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 4: which is a dictator, a Puddin like dictator, and a 352 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 4: con artist. 353 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: Let's talk about this before we go. 354 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 2: I want to get into the mineral deal that President 355 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: Trump is trying to get signed. You know, take us 356 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: through that. Why does it matter? You know, why is 357 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: it important? You know, kind of break that down for 358 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: the audience. 359 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 4: Sure, well, rare earth minerals very important because they go 360 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 4: into they are a required element in all kinds of 361 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 4: high tech industries and. 362 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 3: Especially in where. 363 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 4: The artificial intelligence and it happens so that Ukraine, both 364 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 4: Ukraine and Russia have large deposits of rare earth minerals. 365 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 4: President Trump wants to secure those materials for two reasons. 366 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 4: He doesn't want us to depend on China. China is 367 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 4: for for example, look at like electric vehicles. Uh. And 368 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 4: why the Biden administration, uh, you know, with his regulations. 369 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 3: Put on the auto industry mandating that we all start 370 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: you know, buying those evs. Well, guess what. 371 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 4: China is the country that controls most of the required 372 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 4: elements for the production of those evase. Uh. Well, Trump 373 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 4: does not want us to depend on anyone. He wants 374 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 4: to secure and and if we are to depend on somebody. 375 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 3: It's better not be China. So he wants to secure 376 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 3: control of those. 377 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 4: But I am not optimistic actually as far as that is. 378 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 4: And again, I love President Trump and everything, but the 379 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 4: Russians are not idiots. They are first the many of 380 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 4: those earth minerals are in Ukraine, but they are in 381 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 4: the Russian part. And so Zelenski is brandishing something in 382 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 4: front of President Trump, but he is trying to sell 383 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 4: something that he actually doesn't own. 384 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 3: Uh. 385 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 4: And the Russians are also securing the area. They are 386 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 4: forces that are in control of the area where there's 387 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 4: the largest you know, deposit of titanium. 388 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 3: Of lithium. 389 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 4: And he's now trying to position himself as the one 390 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 4: who would deal with the United States on this rare 391 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 4: earth minerals. Uh. 392 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 3: He said, Russia is actually the one that has the 393 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 3: most rare earth minerals. 394 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 4: It is willing to consider cooperating with the United States. 395 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 4: But I'm not optimistic that Putin would actually uh make 396 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 4: that kind of deal. Because his decades long line policy 397 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 4: line has been that the West is trying to rip 398 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 4: off Russia all of its natural resources and wants to 399 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 4: use Russia effectively as sort of a colony. That's the 400 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 4: culpful language that usually uses, you know, to galvanize the 401 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 4: Russian people against like Europe, who against the United States. 402 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: And so what I'm concerned is that Putin is. 403 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 4: Going to drag you know, the United States team Trump's 404 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 4: team brandishing the this deal, but he's eventually he's not. 405 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 4: He's going to make it so hard to conclude that 406 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 4: we're going to just give it up, and and and 407 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 4: and so, because yeah, titanium, iron, uranium, the Russians have 408 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 4: all that, but they want their. 409 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 3: Industries uh to flourish. 410 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 4: They don't want to be the seller of natural resources 411 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 4: because they're already uh the same situation right now, like 412 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 4: with with oil and gas, right, Russia is basically you know, 413 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 4: like some people say, it's a gas station mascuerading as 414 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 4: a country. I don't agree with that statement, but what 415 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 4: that statement captures is that, uh, it is highly highly 416 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 4: reliant on energy and not unlike manufactured goods, not on services. 417 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 4: And so they are not going to put themselves in 418 00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 4: that very same conundrum that they are with oil and gas. 419 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 3: I don't believe he's going to release those earth minerals 420 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 3: to the US. 421 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 2: So why go through the song and dance of trying 422 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 2: to get the mineral deal done? 423 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 6: Then? 424 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: If you're President Trump? 425 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 4: Oh, because President Trump firmly believes, firmly believes that he 426 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 4: is able to do it. 427 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 3: I mean, he is the master of the art of 428 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 3: the deal. 429 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 4: And I mean, you know, Trump have discounted many many times, 430 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 4: and I am happy to be corrected. 431 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 3: You know, I would love for Trump to make that deal. 432 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 4: There's nothing in sort of in Russia's history or in 433 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 4: the way that I understand. 434 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 3: Hud or in. 435 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 4: In my intelligence analysis that that leads me to conclude 436 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 4: that that deal is viable. 437 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: I can't get like, in Trump's head. 438 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 4: Trump is a very very different His brain thinks very differently, 439 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 4: and so. 440 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 3: Who knows, maybe he will put around it out of 441 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 3: a hat. You know Russia. 442 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 4: Did you know previously Russia did like for example, in 443 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 4: twenty seventeen, Russia supplied about fifteen percent. 444 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 3: Of all American aluminum imports. 445 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 4: Right, so there is precedent of that kind of transactional approach. 446 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 4: But what I and it depends on how President Trump 447 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 4: wants to structure that deal. If he just wants you know, 448 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,479 Speaker 4: Russia and or Ukraine to commit to just like you know, 449 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 4: or to relin push and control of these materials to 450 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 4: the United States, that's not I don't see that happening. 451 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 4: If somehow President Trump, and I'm just speculating here, I 452 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 4: don't know exactly the contours of the deal. 453 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 3: That Trump is trying to make. 454 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 4: But from the speculative standpoint, if let's say Trump. 455 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 3: Is willing to put some direct. 456 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 4: Investment in Russia and help them, without technology, use their 457 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 4: own production facilities to process those materials, that could be 458 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 4: a different thing. Back when I you know, originally from 459 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 4: the former Servinian as you know, and even during communist times, 460 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 4: for instance, the Russians couldn't even like have their own 461 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 4: duty free shops at the airport. The Russians could not 462 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 4: the Soviets manufacture their own toaster, their own microwave, right, 463 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 4: but they were really ahead of the United States in 464 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 4: missiles and nucleate college and all of their sas so. 465 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 3: But even during. 466 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 4: Those times, they allowed the Irish to come in and 467 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 4: help them stand out a duty free shop as long 468 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 4: as the Irish promised fifty one percent ownership to Russian 469 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 4: and they had forty nine to the various. 470 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 3: Ways of striking those deals. And Scott beston who is 471 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 3: advising Trump on that? 472 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 4: Who is actually you know, he's part of the team 473 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 4: of heavyweights who on negaging with the Russians. They might 474 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 4: slice that cat, you know, in a way that might 475 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 4: be palatable to Putin, and I'm hoping that they do. 476 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 2: We've got a quick commercial break more with Rebecca Koffler 477 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 2: on the other side. 478 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: Before we go. 479 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: Will President Trump be able to end this war between 480 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 2: Russia and Ukraine? 481 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 4: Gosh, that's really really a tough one, Lisa, So I'll 482 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 4: give you two skulls of thought. My assessment is that 483 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 4: it's going to be extremely difficult. Why is that because 484 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 4: Trump and haird it an untenable situation, uh from Biden. Biden, 485 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 4: by allowing Ukraine to use US lawn arrange missiles to 486 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 4: strike deep into Russia, effectively demonstrated to Pudin that Putin 487 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 4: was correct by invading Ukraine. Putin cannot afford, you know, 488 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 4: having Ukraine, which is part of russia strategic security Promadont, 489 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 4: which relied for centuries for its security to be on 490 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 4: the doorstep with that kind of capability. Right, So my 491 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 4: intelligent synasis tells me Pudin is going to drag these 492 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 4: negotiations and he is going to continue destroying Ukraine and 493 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 4: then eventually install a pro Russian Ukrainian leader, so he 494 00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 4: has geopolitical control of it, and he gets the guarant 495 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 4: teas that Ukraine is not going to be part of NATAL. 496 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 4: That is his plan. Because Putin doesn't trust us. He 497 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 4: doesn't trust Trump either, right, he respects Trump, but he 498 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 4: doesn't trust He doesn't trust Trump. He said that once, 499 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 4: you know, a few years ago John Trump's worst presidency, 500 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 4: when somebody asked him, you know, do you trust President 501 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 4: Trump or he said, well, look, we are both representing 502 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 4: the national interests of our country. He represents his country 503 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 4: and I represent mine, and so Putin also, Trump. 504 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 3: Is a very unusual leader, un conventional leader. 505 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 4: He basically has uphended the twenty five century worth of 506 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 4: US Russia policy. 507 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 3: And Puttin is looking beyond Trump. You know, he understands 508 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 3: that US leaders change every four years, and you know, 509 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 3: a person something come after Trump. 510 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 4: I'm describing Putin's thinking because, as you know, that's kind 511 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 4: of my expertise, and I wrote a book on him, 512 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 4: putting his playbook, so that's how he thinks. He doesn't 513 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 4: think like an American, he thinks like a Russian. So 514 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,760 Speaker 4: he is thinking, Okay, you know, someone will come after 515 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 4: Trump and is going to flip that whole policy and 516 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 4: it's going to start, you know, pushing your gang into 517 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 4: na there again. So my assessment is that peace is 518 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 4: unlikely right now. Putin also said because we are now 519 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 4: pushing for a cease fire, because a ceasefire is a 520 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 4: lot easier to. 521 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 3: Achieve, you know than like a long lasting piece. 522 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 4: Let's just say, uh, Putin said about a month ago, 523 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 4: a cease fire. 524 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 3: We're not going to go for that, because. 525 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 4: That would be considered from the military doctrine standpoint, a 526 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 4: strategic pause. What does the strategic pause do? Strategicas gives 527 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 4: a breather to everyone, you know, to all the forces, 528 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 4: the Russians, the Ukrainians, the Americans. 529 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 3: And uh, the Natal alliance right now. 530 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 4: Is an excellent position from the combat potential standpoint, which 531 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 4: is calculated as a combination of armed forces, UH, military hardware, 532 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 4: defense economics, and the military industrial complexes ability to produce 533 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 4: sufficient armaments in order to prosecute the war. Uh. The 534 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 4: Russians now are producing in one month more missiles than 535 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 4: the entireet Natal alliance produces in one year. Let that 536 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 4: say a thing. Uh, he also mobilized. He prove that 537 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 4: is mobilized. H rather increase the size of the Russian 538 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 4: armed forces above the maximally allowed by the constitution to 539 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 4: one million and three hundred and fifty thousand. For comparison, 540 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 4: US forces including the National Guard is between like a 541 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,280 Speaker 4: million and a million two hundred. So he can continue 542 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 4: this war until the last Ukrainian and until the last weapon, 543 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 4: both in US arsenal and in European weapons arsenal. Right, 544 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 4: Whodin believes that if he gives that strategic pause, we 545 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 4: can the Ukrainians can reap. 546 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 3: We can start manufacturing more weapons, because right now we can't. 547 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 4: We don't have the military industrial capacity to because the 548 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 4: way officially not on the war time putting and so. 549 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 3: But we could change that. 550 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 6: If time is given to us, to the United States, 551 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 6: to NATO into Ukraine, we can optimize our forced pasture, 552 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 6: we can optimize our weapons stockpile. 553 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 3: And pud does not want to do. 554 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 4: That's what he said, he said that, So that's why 555 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 4: I am not very optimistic on that deal. Does Putin 556 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,280 Speaker 4: want to deal with the United States on a transactional basis? 557 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 4: Does he want to be seen as an equal with 558 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 4: President Trump, the leader of the free world? 559 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 3: Yes? 560 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,919 Speaker 4: Absolutely. Does he want his sanctions lifted? Absolutely, So it's good. 561 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 4: It's it's a very complicated and a very long dance 562 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,720 Speaker 4: with a lot of steps, you know, fentangle, I think, 563 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 4: and President Trump temperamentally, President Trump is different from Puli. 564 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 4: He wants things done very quickly, and putn't understands that. 565 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 4: He understands that a hot button and something that he 566 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 4: can push with Trump right. And and so if Trump 567 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 4: is not right, and if he starts blaming his people, 568 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 4: his team for not being fast enough, Putin is going 569 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 4: to use it against us. Putin wants to sew discord 570 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 4: and disorder in our team so that we are exasperated 571 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 4: and so we either conclude the deal that is not 572 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 4: the best deal for us, or you know, he can 573 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 4: just you know, we don't conclude the deal and he 574 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 4: just keeps going. So that's kind of the mass manipulator 575 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 4: that Pudu is. Team Trump understand that I don't know 576 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 4: who online team actually speaks Russian and understands how police thinks. 577 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 4: I don't know anybody. You know, General Kellogg. He's a 578 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 4: wonderful guy, but is he a Russia expert? Absolutely not. 579 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 2: Uh. 580 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 3: They need somebody who actually. 581 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 4: Understands the guy and advises them on how to proceed 582 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 4: with these negotiations and interprets when Putin says something. Uh, 583 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 4: there needs to be not only a aguage interpret that, 584 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 4: but somebody who understands how Pulin thinks and how to 585 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 4: push his buttons because they understand how to push our buttons. 586 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 3: Very very well. 587 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 4: They study us, you know, and they study President Trump, 588 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 4: they study Biden. They know how to deal with us, 589 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 4: and that's why they are able to kind of like 590 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 4: run circles around us, at least previously. Will they be 591 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 4: able to run circles, you know, Champ hopefully not. 592 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 3: I don't think so. But we'll see, we'll see. 593 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 2: It's too early, all right, Well, we'll see if the 594 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 2: author of the art of the deal can be the 595 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,879 Speaker 2: author of this deal. 596 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 3: That's right. 597 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: Rebecca Coffler. 598 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,439 Speaker 2: Always enjoy hearing your insights, and I really appreciate your time. 599 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. 600 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 3: Of course, that. 601 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 2: Was Rebecca Coffler. Appreciate her for taking the time. Appreciate 602 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 2: you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, 603 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 2: but you can listen throughout the week. Also want to 604 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 2: think John Cassio, my producer, for putting it together. 605 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: Until next time.