1 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Corey. She had a place out west of the Scotin 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: and she had some animals and dogs, cats, horses, dogs 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: and all kinds of stuff over there. 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: This is Greg Thompson, the local handyman who did small 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: jobs for Tolena. When Corey moved into Teleina's house fresh 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: office separation from her husband, she came with a menagerie 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: of animals, both big and small. 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: She had to do something with all the animals and 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: all the corrals and everything. They went with them. Then 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: here's old Greg. That's me. I volunteered to help Corey 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: and we moved all of her stuff over to Chilina's house. 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: Talina was a huge animal lover and she welcomed Corey's 13 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: cats and dogs into her home. The larger animals that 14 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: couldn't fit were placed with her neighbor and house cleaner 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: named Billy Shieltz. 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: Billy had a pretty good size yard. We sent and 17 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: she put the donkeys in there. They were a little 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: miniature donkeys and she liked them. They were cute. And 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: they had this horse. It was like thirteen or fourteen 20 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: years old, super old, and it was like a horse 21 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: made out of toothpicks in paper. I mean it was 22 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: so skinny. I was like, Corey, what's up with that horse? 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: And she goes, well, I've had people report me to 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: the law and everything else about that horse. But I 25 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: have a vet that says that it's sick, and you know, 26 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: we're just trying to let it live. It live its 27 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: life out. I don't want to put it down. You know, 28 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: we're letting it live and it eats, it drinks, it 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: did everything a horse should have done. It just looked awful. 30 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: A couple of months go by and the old horse 31 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: finally passes away, and Corey calls me like nine or 32 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: ten o'clock at night and asks me if I had 33 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: access to a back and I'm like, no, I don't. 34 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: I have a tractor, but it doesn't dig holes like that. 35 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: I said, okay, well maybe I can get some help 36 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: from a neighbor over here. Okay. So a couple of 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: days go by, I end up over at Billy's. I said, 38 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: what happened to the horse? We're being up burying it 39 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: and she goes, well, we didn't end up burying it. 40 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, what happened to it? It's not 41 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: here and she goes, well, Cory, Butcher, that thing, and 42 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: I'm like what she said? Yeah, she keut that horse 43 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: up in tiny little pieces and put it in black 44 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: trash bag and put it in the back of the 45 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: Pontiac six thousand and hauled it out to Muskogie and 46 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: dumped it out for the kyak And I'm like, what, 47 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: who does that? And so I've read it to Cory 48 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: and we got talking about it. I said, can't you? 49 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: And she said it took. 50 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: Me a long time. 51 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: I was able to do it and said I just 52 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: thought it was fitting to take it back out there 53 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: where it had lived all its life and trying to 54 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: return it back to nature. And Okay, that's freaking weird, 55 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: but okay, whatever, And I'm like, who even knows how 56 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: to do something like that? 57 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: From iHeart Podcasts, I'm Melissa Jelson And this is what 58 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: happened to Teleina Zar. 59 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 4: Just because they're missing doesn't mean anything was nefarious. 60 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 5: All of us wear mass. 61 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 6: How well did I adapt to being property? 62 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 7: Well? 63 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 5: That depends on whether you ask me or master. 64 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 4: Lol. 65 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 8: He would talk and talk and talk, so he'd give 66 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 8: us information. He'd give us names, he would give us 67 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 8: phone numbers. The first thing I would say was, how's 68 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 8: your roommate going, and she always answered the best I've 69 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 8: ever had. 70 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 6: There's still part of me thinking that maybe someone will 71 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 6: just call and say she's sick somewhere. Most of me 72 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 6: is saying that when I get that phone call, it's 73 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 6: going to be because someone found her. I'm supposed to 74 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 6: identify her. 75 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 2: Episode four, The Mattress. 76 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: We had some meat from a fundraiser that our kids 77 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: were doing at the school. It was like shausage meat. 78 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever heard of Blue and Gold, 79 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 3: but it's kind of a big deal down here in 80 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: the Oklahoma, Texas area. It's really good stuff. Selena had 81 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: already pre paid pretty items, and I didn't want to 82 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,679 Speaker 3: keep that even though she was missing. 83 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 2: At this point, about a week after Teleina disappears, her 84 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 2: friend Aris stops by her house and meets with her 85 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 2: roommate Corey. The purpose of Aris's visit is twofold. She's 86 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 2: dropping off some meat that Teleina had ordered, and also 87 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: picking up a mattress of Telena's which had been promised 88 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: to her son. She's just moved into a new house 89 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 2: and Telena had been instrumental in helping to furnish it. 90 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: So we get there we see Corey. We asked, you know, hey, 91 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 3: how you holding up Daddy? Heard anything? They're like no, 92 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 3: they hadn't heard anything from Teuleina. 93 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 2: Corey meets Aris at the door, but doesn't invite her in. 94 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: She's worried that the virus could still be lingering inside 95 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 2: and doesn't want Aris to get sick. 96 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 3: She said that to reduce the possibility and exposure there, 97 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: we should stay. 98 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: Outside, standing on the front porch. Aris asks about the 99 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: match and learns that it's gone. 100 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 3: The bed that we were going to be given was 101 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: burned in the backyard. Corey burned it because the CDC 102 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: told her to because Telena believed she had COVID. 103 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: Burning Teleina's bed in the backyard strikes Eiris as an 104 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: extreme reaction to COVID, but then again, so is the 105 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: decision to shut down businesses and schools. I mean, people 106 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: were spraying their groceries with lyesol before touching them. It 107 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: was a weird time. Luckily, Corey says there's another mattress 108 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: she can take instead, and so Aris and her husband 109 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: loaded up. Before they leave, Aris brings Corey the sausage 110 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: meat you want. 111 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 3: I take the sausage out of my car. I go 112 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: hand it to her and I say, hey, this is 113 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 3: the stuff that Telena paid for. You know, even though 114 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 3: she might not be here right now, I would rather 115 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: go to the house to pay for it. She looked 116 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: at me and said, you guys should go ahead and 117 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: take it. Our fread is stuffed full of meat. 118 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: Not long after, Greg bumped into Corey in town. 119 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: She was filing a missing persons report for Calena. She 120 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: had this big mask on like you would use for 121 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: like painting or something, you know, to keep the fumes up. 122 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: We had talked for a minute and I expressed my 123 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: concern about Helena missing and was asking her do you 124 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: know where she could possibly have gone. 125 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: The two compare notes and theories for a few minutes, 126 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: and then Corey asks Greg for some help at the house. 127 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: She asked me to come over and pick up some 128 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: scrap metal in their yard, but they've accumulated for haul 129 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: off trash or something like that. 130 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: Later that day, Greg drives over to Telena and Corey's. 131 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: So I get over there to pick up Corey's strap metal, 132 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: and it was Telena's headboard from her bed and what 133 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: was left of the mattress that I had just put 134 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: on there. It had been burnt and all that was 135 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: left was a metal wire frame that's inside the mattress. 136 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: You know, We're loading this stuff up on there, and 137 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, is this Tuena's bed, and shot, oh, yeah, 138 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: this is the sick bed. This is where Telena was 139 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: so sick, and you know, to get rid of the 140 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: germs and this and that, I just earned it all. 141 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: Greg loads his trailer with the metal bed frame and 142 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: heads towards the recycling center. 143 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: I pulled up on the scale and the ladies behind 144 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: the windows, you know, she's looking at all my stuff 145 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: and tell me to pull uh. And she walks out 146 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: there and she goes, what size of the headboard is that? 147 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: I told her I think it's Queen or Keene whatever, 148 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: and you're you might if I had it. Then I'm like, 149 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: I don't care, because my daughter is looking for a 150 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: headboard and I think that one would be perfect. I 151 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: gave it to her, and so I went ahead and 152 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: got rid of all my strap and went on about 153 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: my day. 154 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: That evening, Greg finds himself recounting this story to a friend. 155 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: I'm telling my buddy this as we're sitting in the garage, 156 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: and he said, do you not think that he just 157 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: got rid of it edity and a possible crime. And 158 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know. 159 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 9: I mean, it was just really really weird things were happening. 160 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: This is Rachel another Wagner friend of Telena's. 161 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 9: Everybody's you know, reaching out to each other and it's like, 162 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 9: has anybody seen Telena or has anybody here heard from Telena? 163 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 9: There was nothing, nothing, And people reached out to Cory 164 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 9: have you heard from her? And Corey like blowing it 165 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 9: off and stuff. No, she's sick, she's up in the 166 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 9: woods and whatnot. And the whole situation was just weird. 167 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 9: But COVID was starting to ramp up and people were 168 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 9: starting to get sick and stuff right around that time, 169 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 9: and you know, we all tried several weeks to reach 170 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 9: out to Corey and Telena and stuff and just never 171 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 9: heard anything. 172 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: There's a pretty big group of people in Wagner looking 173 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: for Telena now Rachel airis Greg and his wife Marty 174 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 2: aka Wolfe and his wife Lorie, as well as other neighbors, 175 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: even Telena's hairdresser Kim. They put up flyers and organize 176 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: a vigil. 177 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: Wolfe had this little get together at our local fire departments. 178 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: It was to bring awareness to Helena's disappearance. I didn't 179 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: go to it that. My wife just popped in doctor 180 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: Wolfe and his wife and some other people that were there, 181 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: and she noticed that Corey wasn't there. 182 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: The thing about Corey is she's a recent transplant. She's 183 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: been living with Telina for less than a year. And 184 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: the Wagoner friends they start to have the same nagging 185 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: feeling how well did any of them really know her. 186 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: My wife went over to the house and Corey met 187 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: her at their you know, answered the front door, but 188 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: just barely cracked it and then came out. She wouldn't 189 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: let her in the house. And Billie sheielded the lady 190 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: that was cleaning their house. She went over there and 191 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: Corey wouldn't let her in. 192 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: There was really only one person in town who had 193 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: a long standing relationship with Corey. That was Marty Woolfy, 194 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: that met more than a decade earlier at Gorefest. 195 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 3: Wolfe had called me and asked Kelly a week or 196 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: two afterwards if I had noticed anything about Corey. I 197 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 3: said no, everything seemed to be business as usual. I mean, 198 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: she seemed probably a little too nonchalant. When more than 199 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: one person started asking me if I'd noticed anything is 200 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: when I started to really start to question every interaction we. 201 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: Had, with suspicions raised. Aris looks back over her text 202 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: messages with Teleina before she disappeared, and she starts to think, 203 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: some of these messages don't sound like Telena. Talna had 204 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: reached out to Aris on March twenty eighth and asked 205 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: her to swing by for the mattress, but at the 206 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,119 Speaker 2: last minute Teleina canceled. 207 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 3: We were supposed to go over that morning, and we 208 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 3: got a message that said, I have a migraine. I'm 209 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: going to stay in you know, abart mission. 210 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 5: Whatever, abort mission. I've got a terrible migraine. I've been 211 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 5: staying in bed today. 212 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 3: Okay, not in common, but I'd noticed she had packed 213 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 3: it differently. She normally has a pattern of how she 214 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: types that you know, uppercase, properly, punctuated, grammatically correct, and 215 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: that wasn't it. Initially I just wrote it off as 216 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: she might have a migraine, like, clearly has a migraine, so, 217 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 3: you know, not keeping up with the grammar. 218 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: A number of Telena's friends are also questioning the legitimacy 219 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,479 Speaker 2: of Telena's final Facebook post, like Rachel, who was skeptical 220 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 2: about it from the moment she read. 221 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 9: It, but literally just talked to her a couple of 222 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 9: days before a messenger and she was, fine. 223 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 7: I'm on day nine of this virus and I am 224 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 7: pretty sure it has reached my lungs. 225 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 9: We had talked about COVID. She didn't seem particularly worried 226 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 9: about it. She didn't seem to be like the sky 227 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 9: is falling kind of thing, which is what this post 228 00:13:59,040 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 9: sounded like. 229 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 6: I made the decision at the onset that if it 230 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 6: got bad enough, I would not go to the hospital, And. 231 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 9: At the time when I read it, I'm like, that 232 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 9: just sounds weird. That doesn't sound like Telena. 233 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: Telena's friends in Wagner are growing distrustful of Corey, and 234 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: so are the online sleuths. 235 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 7: We all had reservations about Corey, Like nothing she said 236 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 7: or did make sense. Why was she being like so 237 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 7: sketchy about everything? 238 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 8: Really, the biggest the biggest one was trying to figure 239 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 8: out who Corey was and and her history and you know, 240 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 8: where did she come from. After we found out about 241 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 8: the Gorrians, we started deep diving Corey. So we googled 242 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 8: Corey and found out she had a criminal history, a felony. 243 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: According to the documents they can access. Six years earlier, 244 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 2: Corey was arrested and charged in Madison, Wisconsin for using 245 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: someone else's credit card. 246 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 8: Her criminal records will pop up online and it said 247 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 8: she had used credit cards at different places. 248 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: This discovery is interesting, but the online sleuths know enough 249 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: from their true crime shows that a past charge for 250 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: a nonviolent crime doesn't prove anything. 251 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 8: A lot of us said, well, just because she's a 252 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 8: thief does not mean she's a murderer. That doesn't It's 253 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 8: not the same thing. 254 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: So they keep digging, developing a basic profile for Corey. 255 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: They learned that she grew up on a dairy farm 256 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: in Wisconsin with her mother, father, and one brother, and 257 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: since she left home, it seems as though she's traveled 258 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 2: a fair bit. They find addresses for her in at 259 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: least four states. 260 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 8: We found out she had like thirteen different aliases, and 261 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 8: I was like, who the hell needs thirteen aliases? And 262 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 8: then I look myself up and I see I have 263 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 8: two different you know, my name is two different times 264 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 8: because I had been married. And then my maid name, 265 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 8: and I was like, that makes sense to have one 266 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 8: or two, but then thirteen. So we start googling like 267 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 8: her life and we download this app where you can 268 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 8: get background checks on people. We see who she was 269 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 8: married to, and then we start reaching out to people 270 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 8: she was married to. 271 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: Not afraid to cold call strangers, Jess identifies two ex 272 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: husbands and reaches out first up David Sachs, who Corey 273 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: married in the nineteen eighties. His father owned a casino 274 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: in mob Era, Las Vegas. Jess has a few conversations 275 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: with him, and he offers some color about Corey, like 276 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: the fact she'd once worked in a coroner's office, but 277 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: he hasn't seen her in decades. Her second husband is 278 00:16:53,080 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: more helpful. Alexander Adams is a Celtic musician who Corey 279 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: met in Oregon when she was an event coordinator. They 280 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 2: spent fourteen years together, traveling the country for gigs and 281 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 2: releasing music online. Alexander Adams or Alec as he goes by, 282 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 2: is receptive to Jess's questioning. He's in Wisconsin, but he's 283 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: heard about Tolina's disappearance and wants to help however he can. 284 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 5: He tells Jess some of. 285 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: Their backstory, filling in gaps in her research. Alec is 286 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: in the Renaissance festival circuit. In fact, he'd met Marty 287 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: slash Wolfe at the annual Oklahoma Renaissance Festival some years back. 288 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: Alec tells Jess that Marty loved his music and asked 289 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: him to come to his private event, Gorefest. Corey went too. 290 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 8: He invited Alec back to Gorfest to perform at the festival, 291 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 8: and he invited them back, like, hey, come perform for us. 292 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 5: You know it's going to be great, and they went. 293 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: It's here at Gorfest in the early two thousands where 294 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: Telena first meets Corey. The online sleuths are developing a 295 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: better picture of who Corey is from their conversations with Marty, 296 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: Corey's ex husbands and the research into her past, and 297 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 2: then they find something huge. 298 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 8: She used eBay to make a living. She'd sell stuff 299 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 8: on eBay and that's how she'd make money. And that 300 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 8: gave us the idea to look on eBay to see 301 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 8: what she's been selling. We'd all take turns kind of 302 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 8: creeping on it every day, like checking to see if 303 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 8: anything was up that was weird. 304 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 2: One day, Nicole Telena's friend in Tennessee notices that Corey 305 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 2: is selling things that had been in to Lena's house. 306 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 10: Looking at old pictures of her house and you would 307 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 10: see that she was selling things off. 308 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 5: Little by little. 309 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 10: You could see clock in the background of a picture, 310 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 10: and then it was there on her eBay. 311 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 8: We had seen her selling Telena's stuff, some clothes, these 312 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 8: metal like lawn flowers that she had gotten, I guess 313 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 8: Nicole had said. Telina was very excited about these lawn flowers. 314 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 8: They're like metal. She had bottomed a flea market or something, 315 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 8: and she loved them, and we just we were all like, 316 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 8: what is going on here? Why is she selling this stuff? 317 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: Aside from just some trinkets and collectibles, they saw some 318 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 2: of Telena's most treasured belongings for sale. 319 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 10: Her wedding ring to Tom was on there, and she 320 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 10: would never ever ever sell that wedding ring. And when 321 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 10: I saw that, and I saw his medals he was 322 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 10: awarded in the Army, I knew that there was no 323 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 10: way that she would have sold those things. 324 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 2: Nicole comes up with a plan to get the items 325 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: back without Corey catching on. 326 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 10: I contacted my cousin and I asked her just to 327 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 10: buy them that I would pay her for them. She 328 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 10: lived in another state in Louisiana, and so I thought 329 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 10: that she would not knows me. 330 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: Nichole's cousin wins the bid. Corey packs up the wedding 331 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: ring and some of Tom's military medals and ships it off. 332 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 2: Niicole's cousin then forwards the package to her. Armed with 333 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 2: this evidence, Nicole contacts the cops, so does Jess, but 334 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: the response they get is not as enthusiastic as they hoped. 335 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 8: At first, it was like, Okay, thank you, we're getting 336 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 8: a lot of tips, you know, thank you. We appreciate it. 337 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 8: And we were really hyped up about the eBay thing. 338 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 8: I was like, hey, this is huge. 339 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 2: It's been twenty two days since Telena's cryptic Facebook post. 340 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 2: From the perspective of the online sluice, the cops aren't 341 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 2: doing anything. 342 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 8: I was mad. I think all of us were mad. 343 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 8: We were like, what the hell, it's plain's day, what 344 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 8: she's doing? 345 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: The Jess and the others aren't privy to what's going 346 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 2: on behind the scenes. On April twenty ninth, Detective Joel 347 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: Webber and a colleague go to Telena's property a brown, 348 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: rustic lake house set back from the road. Corey invites 349 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: them in and gives them a tour. It's the first 350 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: time law enforcement has gone inside the house. She shows 351 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: them around the living areas and the bedrooms where she 352 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 2: and Telena slept. Here's how Detective Weber later described his visit. 353 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 4: In that initial kind of walk through of the house, 354 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 4: there was several things that kind of, I guess stood 355 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 4: out a little bit. One of the things was in 356 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 4: the office room, there was a map on the wall 357 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 4: that had a lot of arrows on it. They weren't 358 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 4: drawn on the map. It came like from the distributor 359 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 4: or whoever, with those arrows on it, and it said 360 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 4: like the missing four one one on it or something 361 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 4: like that. And I asked Corey what that was or 362 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 4: what it was for, and Corey said it was just 363 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 4: all of the arrows indicated people that had gone missing 364 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 4: in national forests around the United States. I thought that 365 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 4: was significant. I made a mental note. There was a 366 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 4: map of missing people on the wall, and I'm there 367 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 4: looking for a missing person. It seemed unusual. I think 368 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 4: I went into I think I went into every room 369 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 4: and then also in the yard. 370 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: Corey shows Weber around the yard, the garage, and then 371 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: he leaves. Meanwhile, the Sheriff's office is being inundated with 372 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: tips from friends, locals, psychics, and the online sleuths, and 373 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 2: a large number of them point at Corey. About a 374 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 2: week later, Detective Weber asked Corey to come back into 375 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: the station to address some of the rumors that have 376 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: been circulating. Here's a recreation of parts of their conversation. 377 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 4: Okay, good, I forgot a pen, So all right, just 378 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 4: had some fallow up cues from we talked about before. 379 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, you probably. 380 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 4: Already know that people on the internet are already talking 381 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 4: and saying lots of things. 382 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 6: And there's one gal online that you know, between some 383 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 6: misinformation and some fabrication. 384 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 4: It's unfortunate, right, everyone wants to be a detective. 385 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems that Corey knows about Jess and the 386 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: fine to Lena's our Facebook group, she's been lurking online. 387 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 5: Okay, so. 388 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 4: I'm getting told a lot of random stuff and a 389 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 4: lot of and I'll be completely honest with you, a 390 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 4: lot of people are pointing suspicion at you. 391 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: Detective Weber starts asking Corey about some of the tips 392 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:56,719 Speaker 2: his office has received, beginning with questions about Corey's criminal record. 393 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 4: All Right, somebody brought up at some point that you 394 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 4: were charged with something and I don't remember what state, Okay, 395 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 4: Wisconsin or in Wisconsin Wisconsin? 396 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 5: Yes, so what happened in a nutshell? My husband? 397 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 2: Corey explains that a number of years ago, she and 398 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: her then husband, Alexander Adams, the Celtic musician, moved to Middleton, Wisconsin, 399 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: where her mom lives. 400 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 6: My husband and I spent every penny we had to 401 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 6: move to Wisconsin, and we went through a tough time 402 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,719 Speaker 6: where we didn't have much money. 403 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 2: Corey tells Detective Weber that she became good friends with 404 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: a man who lived next door, and one day this 405 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: neighbor gave Corey his wife's credit card to use so 406 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 2: she could get some groceries and gas. He said Corey 407 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: could pay him back later. 408 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 6: Well, the wife was jealous of him and I for 409 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 6: no reason, and she had a canary and she pressed charges. 410 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 2: Corey says, at first she was booked for a misdemeanor, 411 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 2: but the wife was making a lot of fuss and 412 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 2: so they elevated the charges to a felony. Ultimately, she 413 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: says it never went to trial. She got two years probation. 414 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 2: It was all a big misunderstanding. 415 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 4: No probation violations during the two years. 416 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 5: None, No, they move on. 417 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, one other thing came up, and that was 418 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 4: the allegedly somebody thinks you're selling things on eBay that 419 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 4: belonged to Tom, that belonged to Tolena, that were her 420 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 4: deceased husband's. 421 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 6: Stuff, and that is very possible. But there are things 422 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 6: that Telena has been giving me of Tom's for the 423 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 6: past two years, okay, to sell online, So there's nothing 424 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 6: sold that shouldn't be sold. And quite frankly, as her executor, 425 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 6: she told me, when I'm gone, do whatever you want. 426 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 5: With everything, and I haven't. I mean, there's most stuff 427 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 5: is still there. 428 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 2: Corey reminds Weber that legally, she's in charge of Telena's 429 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: a state in the event of Telena's death. Weber responds 430 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: that it's really too early for her to be taking 431 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 2: on that role. 432 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 4: Well, and I don't maybe it's not even my place 433 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 4: to say anything, but I don't want you. What can 434 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 4: make you look worse or look bad to some people 435 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 4: is that she's not she's not been found. Uh huh, 436 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 4: She's not dead as far as we know, so doing 437 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 4: things as an executor before we know she's dead is presumptuous. 438 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 2: I like to imagine that. Weber takes a dramatic pause here, 439 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 2: looks Corey in the eye, has a little staring contest, 440 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 2: then looks down at his notes. Weber switches gears, brings 441 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 2: up something his deputies mentioned. 442 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 4: They said there was some sort of travel trailer or 443 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 4: a trailer of some sort in the driveway. 444 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 5: Oh, a white cargo trailer. 445 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was. 446 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 5: It's sold. It's sold. Yeah. 447 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 4: And so the reason I ask is because someone brought 448 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,719 Speaker 4: that up and I said, I didn't see a trailer 449 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 4: when I was in the driveway. 450 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 5: No, we sold that. 451 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 3: Okay. 452 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 4: When when did that sell? 453 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 5: Oh? 454 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 6: I think it was either mid March late March, March 455 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 6: a couple of months ago. 456 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 5: I don't know. 457 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 4: Well, at some point the deputy saw this trailer, as 458 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 4: my understanding. 459 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 6: Okay, maybe it's sold in early April. Would you do 460 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 6: you do you know when he saw it. I'd have 461 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 6: to I'd have to go back and chat. 462 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 2: Okay, on the date, Corey says she sold it to 463 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 2: a friend of a friend for one thousand dollars. Weber 464 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: asked if she has some sort of receipt, and Corey 465 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: says she's sure she signed something, but he gave her cash. 466 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 2: And actually, trailers don't have to be registered in Oklahoma, 467 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 2: so there's no official paper trail. 468 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 6: What was a trailer got to do with it? Was mine, 469 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 6: it wasn't Telena's. 470 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 4: So okay, Well, the only reason it has to do 471 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 4: with anything is just because my understanding he was there 472 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 4: one day and now it's not. And so I'm just 473 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 4: trying to Yeah, I'm looking at anything that's, you know, 474 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 4: seems unusual. Yeah, it doesn't mean it's anything. It just 475 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 4: means I'm answering questions ahead of people asking him. 476 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 6: What I'm getting from all these questions is that people 477 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 6: online have already made up their mind because they can't 478 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 6: find resolution somewhere else. 479 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: Corey seems frustrated by the line of questioning. Why is 480 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 2: Weber cow telling to these nosy internet hacks with nothing 481 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 2: better to do. 482 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 4: I'm asking questions because they're throwing suspicion on me, and 483 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 4: it would be dumb of me not to ask because 484 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 4: I need to. I need to be able to honestly 485 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 4: say I've done everything we can do yes. We've checked 486 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 4: everywhere we can check. 487 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 5: Yes. 488 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 4: And if I don't ask these questions, someone's going to 489 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 4: go why didn't you ask that? 490 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 5: I want that too. 491 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 2: Detective Weber adds if the online sleuths start hassling her, 492 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 2: she should reach out to the sheriff's department for help. 493 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 2: He too, seems a little fed up by their persistence. 494 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 4: You're not going to solve it online. Nobody's gonna find 495 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 4: her on Facebook. But by god, there's plenty of theories. 496 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 6: So and I told Nicole last time I talked to her, 497 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 6: and I haven't talked to her. 498 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 5: Probably a week. 499 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 6: But I said, these crime junkies with their miss information, 500 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 6: and there are little bits of information that aren't enough 501 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 6: to make an intelligent you know, jump from point A 502 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 6: to point B. 503 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 5: You're probably going to do more damage than good. 504 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 6: Because you're going to divert focus from maybe where it 505 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 6: needs to be. 506 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 4: Uh huh. 507 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 5: So I said, prove me wrong. Have your crime junkies 508 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 5: finder prove me wrong. 509 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 2: During the interview, which lasts more than two hours, Corey 510 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: agrees to do anything to help clear her name, including 511 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 2: allowing the sheriffs into the house to test for bloodstains, 512 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 2: So there's this. 513 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 4: There's a fear going around that and just being completely 514 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 4: honest with you, yes, please, people think you killed her 515 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 4: in the house and so and that's and again nobody 516 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 4: has any reason to think that. It's just they feel something. 517 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 4: My thought was, we have a we have a chemical. 518 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 4: I don't know if you know what luminol is, but 519 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 4: it's something similar to that, where luminol is just sort 520 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 4: of a mist. We can squirt on the floor or something, 521 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 4: uh huh, and it will illuminate blood and that kind 522 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 4: of thing. 523 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 7: Uh. 524 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 4: And so my thought was, we can come, we could 525 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 4: spray the floors and you know that would help us. 526 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 5: I guess, you know, if that's what you have to do. 527 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 2: And without prompting, she also offers to take a polygraph 528 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: to rule her out as a suspect. 529 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 6: So let's whatever we have to do to get to 530 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 6: that point. 531 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 5: Okay, I mean, I'll. 532 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,959 Speaker 6: Take a lie detector test. You guys can bring the canines. 533 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 6: I don't care what you have to do. 534 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 2: Next episode on What Happened to Tolenazar, the amateur investigation 535 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 2: starts to take its wole on Jess. 536 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,719 Speaker 8: And lied to a lot of people, a lot friends, 537 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 8: of Telena's friends of Marty's. Sometimes I felt like I 538 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 8: was in over my. 539 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 2: Head and the police obtain evidence that throws the timeline 540 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 2: of Telena's disappearance into question. 541 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 4: This final post appears suspicious and unlikely to have come 542 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 4: from Telena or her cellular phone. 543 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 2: What Happened to Telenazar is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 544 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: It's written, reported, and hosted by me Melissa Jelson, with 545 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 2: writing and story editing by Lauren Hansen. Our executive producer 546 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 2: is Ryan Murdoch. For iHeart Podcasts, executive producers are Jason 547 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 2: English and Carl Catel. 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