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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greasee Katelyn Armstrong, kate Lynn Armstrong,

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Speaker 1: kate Lynn Armstrong. Well she's at it again. Does the

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Speaker 1: name ring a bell? Because I will never forget it.

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Speaker 1: The other name I will not forget is Mariah Moe

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Speaker 1: Wilson coming back to you.

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Speaker 2: Moe Wilson is the beautiful, young.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five year old world champion cyclist. Yeah, she's dead because,

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Speaker 1: according to prosecutors, Kitlyn Armstrong, the glam yoga teacher, murdered

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Speaker 1: her in cold blood over some guy. Well, there's not

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Speaker 1: another guy you could date out of all the.

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Speaker 2: Men in the world. You have to go kill somebody

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Speaker 2: over a man.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'd love to analyze that with my longtime friend

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Speaker 1: But you know what, I've got a bigger problem right now.

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Speaker 1: My problem Caitlyn Armstrong escapes. I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at

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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. You know we've

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Speaker 1: heard that the boyfriend, the love object of these two

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Speaker 1: that murder. He better just stay in hiding because this

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Speaker 3: It was around eight this morning when deputies from the

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Speaker 3: Travis County Jail took Caitlin Armstrong to a medical appointment

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Speaker 2: Officials say it was.

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Speaker 3: After the appointment, on her way back to the patrol

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Speaker 4: We're learning Kaitlyn Armstrong was leaving a doctor's appointment here

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Speaker 2: According to a.

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Speaker 5: Travis County Sheriff's Office spokesperson, two deputies escorted Kaitlyn Armstrong

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Speaker 1: Number One, why was she being taken to a medical facility?

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Speaker 1: What's happening? Because there there is a medical staff at

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Speaker 1: so she could elude law enforcement? Take a listen more XA.

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Speaker 6: And pisist way of breashem Wine standard in the uniforms

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Speaker 4: You're hearing radio traffic there from the chaotic few minutes.

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Speaker 4: A spokesperson for the Sheriff's office could not tell us

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Speaker 4: Armstrong was on the run for over a month before

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Speaker 4: on top of that, of course, the murder charge in

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Speaker 1: So somehow she manages to master mind and escape with

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Speaker 1: we know right now, Alexis Estuk joining US Crime online

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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Alexis How in the world did

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Armstrong manage to get away from multiple deputies.

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, she managed to convince the jail

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Speaker 1: Now let me understand, so she's going to a medical

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Speaker 1: Well, we are now learning that it was a quote

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Speaker 1: Chaperoned by two correction officers back to the transport vehicle

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Speaker 7: Six Cavalcanti escaped Chester County Prison. Since then, the guard

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Speaker 7: For a twenty seventeen homicide in his native Brazil. His

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Speaker 1: So we've just managed to somehow get Cavalcante back behind bars.

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Speaker 1: And this is the guy that manages to literally crawl

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Speaker 1: a daring escape has been made. Does the name Casey

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Speaker 8: After more than seventy two hours of this now major

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Speaker 8: They now say that she was involved in the escape

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grease joining me right now. A

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Speaker 1: man who knows about prison transport.

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Speaker 2: Very very well.

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Speaker 1: Christopher Buyer's now private investigator with Buyers Investigative Services and

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Speaker 1: Foreign Police Chief in John's Creek. You can find them

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Speaker 1: at Buyers Investigative dot com.

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Speaker 2: Chris.

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Speaker 1: When you see a prison van going down the Inner State,

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Speaker 2: Look, people may call this woman.

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Speaker 1: A glam yoga instructor, but according to prosecutors, she chased

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Speaker 2: That's who we're talking about here.

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Speaker 1: So we're trying to figure out how in the world

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Speaker 4: The Travis County Sheriff's Office says they'll be reviewing this

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Speaker 1: Well lexis terescheck join usclimbateline dot com. Isn't it true

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Speaker 2: You don't think she would kill somebody else, some.

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Speaker 1: Mom at home making packing lunches for school in order

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Speaker 2: Hell, yes she will, Nicole.

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Speaker 6: You know, the jail really does, and law enforcement really

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Speaker 6: Her possible sentence if she's convicted is quite long. It

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Speaker 1: Well, why now, why now? Why try to escape?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: Why arrange this doctor's visit where you have to leave

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Speaker 2: This particular day. Well, I think I know why.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to cut one ten bsim brother, take a

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Speaker 2: This comes just weeks before Armstrong's murder trial.

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Speaker 5: Is set to be presented to a jury on October thirtieth.

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Speaker 5: Armstrong is accused of murdering cyclist star Anna Mariah Wilson

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Speaker 1: So when you're thinking about timing, well, I try to

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Speaker 1: Remember he lets himself in and out of his jail cell,

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Speaker 2: His financial misdeeds would have been uncovered.

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Speaker 1: But guess what, Paul and Maggie were murdered just before

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: She planned this escape and she's not the only one

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Speaker 2: Jog your memory.

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Speaker 11: These are very well aware of the fact that Bundy

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Speaker 11: The former Tacoma and Seattle resident is a suspect in

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Speaker 11: Those murders occurred just fifteen days after Bundy's New Year's

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Speaker 1: By climbing through an air vent. He kept losing weight

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Speaker 1: Long story short, this woman led law enforcement on a

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Speaker 1: She managed to get plastic surgery to change her nose,

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Speaker 6: Well, to start with her time on the run, she

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about her again. When you don't know

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Speaker 12: Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Gallagher, I want to think just one

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Speaker 13: Well, you know, both of them are elite athletes, and

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Speaker 1: But the thing is, doctor Gallagher, and you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to a shrink on this. Karen

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Speaker 1: TV radio trauma expert at Karen Star dot com. That's

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Speaker 1: Karen with a Sea, Karen. Everything that doctor Gallagher just

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Speaker 1: She ran, she had to see the gun. She ran

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Speaker 14: emotional response. So we heard all about the physical, but

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Speaker 14: just imagine the emotional response to this out of nowhere.

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Speaker 14: This person is chasing her, trying to kill her, and

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Speaker 14: that adrenaline is racing, so she's desperately trying to save

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Speaker 14: herself with a lot of confusion. I mean, you're not

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Speaker 14: clear headed. Sometimes maybe in a crisis you can do

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Speaker 14: amazing things. But here she's taken by surprise, and that's

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Speaker 14: how she's going to die. She's going to die not

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Speaker 14: really understanding what's happening and feeling desperate, fearful, anxious, the

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Speaker 14: worst that you could possibly feel as this is happening

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Speaker 14: to her.

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Speaker 1: And then to top it all off, this woman actually

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Speaker 1: escapes and there's a video of it.

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Alexis Tereschuk joining me crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what time it was you were sending

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Speaker 1: me the video first thing this morning. There's actually cell

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Speaker 1: phone video of Caitlin Armstrong running through this residential area.

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Speaker 1: Was she even shackled. I've watched the video over and

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Speaker 1: over and it doesn't look to me that this woman

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Speaker 1: is even shackled.

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Speaker 6: No, not at all. She has taken the biggest strives

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Speaker 6: you've seen. She's like a professional sprinter, hauling through this neighborhood,

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Speaker 6: headed towards neighborhood. She was in the medical hospital. Somebody

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Speaker 6: is filming it. She is in her prison stripe. She's

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Speaker 6: in her black and white prison uniform. Couldn't look more

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Speaker 6: like a prisoner at all. And she is running through

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Speaker 6: this kind of wooded area, hops up over.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't call that hopping, she's scaling it. It's like

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Speaker 1: she has on tennis shoes. I don't know what she's

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Speaker 1: got on. She's running like crazy. No way is this

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Speaker 1: woman shackled. I do think that she may may have

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Speaker 1: handcuffs on. Not sure about that, but I can tell

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Speaker 1: you her legs aren't shackled. Did you see the sheriff.

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Speaker 1: The sheriff's trying to chase her, and the sheriff falls

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Speaker 1: down like three times.

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Speaker 2: I lie on account and there's well, hold on, one fall.

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Speaker 1: Okay, get up, two falls. I think the sheriff falls

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Speaker 1: a total of three times trying to chase Caitlin Armstrong.

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Speaker 1: And she's like running like a jack rabbit. And it's like,

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Speaker 1: have you ever no, not even have you ever seen

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Speaker 1: a cartoon, Alexis Tresser, I guess so with your son

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Speaker 1: when creature's cartoon characters.

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Speaker 2: Just run up the side of a building and keep

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Speaker 2: running straight up.

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Speaker 1: That's what it looks like, is like she's running this

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Speaker 1: This fence looks like it's ten feet tall, eight eight

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Speaker 1: feet tall.

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Speaker 2: She runs right up and grabs it with her hands.

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Speaker 1: Shackled her no, and she gone gone with the the

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Speaker 1: sheriff still falling down.

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Speaker 2: The sheriff looks really out of shape. Okay, note to

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Speaker 2: self put.

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Speaker 1: Only really fit buff sheriffs on a prison transport duty,

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Speaker 1: because this sheriff a cannot run and falls either two

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Speaker 1: or three times.

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Speaker 2: I think three helped me. Alexis I agree.

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Speaker 6: I think it's three times. And they're running up a hill.

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Speaker 6: She has no problem running through this area whatsoever. Huge strides,

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Speaker 6: huge sprints and jumps over. And you know, they police

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Speaker 6: have said they had an eye on her the whole time.

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Speaker 6: What is a solid sense that she jumped over? So

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Speaker 6: I don't really know how they had an eye on

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Speaker 6: her the whole time. She disappeared over that pet.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of people are writing on social

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about her and wondering when her trial

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Speaker 1: would start. I'm wondering if this is somehow Nicole de

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Speaker 1: Bordhawk's globe going to delay the trial. It shouldn't, I mean,

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Speaker 1: because the law is you cannot create your own problem

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Speaker 1: and then use that as rounds for reversal or delay.

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Speaker 6: This is true. It's very possible that the trial will

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Speaker 6: go forward out scheduled on the one hand, On the

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Speaker 6: other hand, this is a pretty bizarre thing to do.

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Speaker 6: So if there are any other indicators that maybe she

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Speaker 6: has destabilized or is not psychologically fit to stand trial,

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Speaker 6: in other words, that she may not be confident, then

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Speaker 6: the attorney and the court have an obligation to have

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Speaker 6: her evaluated to determine whether or not the trial should

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Speaker 6: move forward. And I can see that creating the possible

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Speaker 6: delay so that the evaluation could be completed.

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Speaker 1: You now, you're right, A less stress shut they share us.

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Speaker 1: Off says, we had our eyes on her the whole time.

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Speaker 1: B s that is a solid wood fan, she usual

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Speaker 1: arena straight up.

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Speaker 2: They did not have their eyes on her the whole time.

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Speaker 6: No, And that's the thing is they clearly there's in fact,

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Speaker 6: only one police officer right behind her.

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Speaker 2: See that.

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Speaker 6: They say she was with two, where's the second one?

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Speaker 6: And she is a dangerous criminal. She's not somebody that

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Speaker 6: was arrested for shoplifting, you know, over one thousand dollars

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Speaker 6: worth of things and is in jail for that. This

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Speaker 6: is a killer, a murr and they let her get away.

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Speaker 6: It was just a huge security failure in my book,

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Speaker 6: but the video is amazing to watch. She is so fast.

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Speaker 6: She has clearly been keeping up with her workout rising

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Speaker 6: behind bars. You know, she was a yoga instructor and

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Speaker 6: very fit, but she is not eating bad food and

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Speaker 6: looking around in jail. She's really staying on top of it.

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Speaker 14: I just wanted to add that if we look at

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Speaker 14: this type of personality and anti social personality and we

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Speaker 14: think of Ted Bundy, like you mentioned, here's somebody who's very,

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Speaker 14: very charming and convincing and knows how to manipulate people.

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Speaker 14: I am not surprised that she was able to get

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Speaker 14: herself to go to plan all of the stat She's

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Speaker 14: in great shape and somehow got them to not pay

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Speaker 14: enough attention to her.

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Speaker 1: This woman extremely disarming. Some call her beautiful. She has

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Speaker 1: managed to beg, borrow, steal, and kill her way through

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Speaker 1: this entire odyssey. But don't let looks be deceiving. Think

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Speaker 1: back on camal Kantie. He managed to charm his way

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Speaker 1: out of Brazil, live in a jungle for Pete's sake,

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Speaker 1: and then con his way into the US as an

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Speaker 1: illegal immigrant, charm a girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: Into moving in with her and her children before he

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Speaker 2: murdered her.

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Speaker 1: Yet everyone underestimated him, and he won them over by

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Speaker 1: hook or by crook, by charm, or by strong arm.

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Speaker 1: Listen to our friends at CBS feel in Fox twenty nine.

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Speaker 15: The pain these children and all of Miss Brandeo's loved

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Speaker 15: ones are enduring as a result of the defendants depravity

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Speaker 15: is horrific. We will ensure that the defendant is brought

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Speaker 15: to justice for this cold blooded, premeditated, and despicable act.

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Speaker 2: Police arrested Cavalcante in Virginia.

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Speaker 13: He already had a restraining order put in place against him.

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Speaker 16: Caval Kanti was convicted earlier this month of stabbing to

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Speaker 16: death his ex girlfriend back in April of twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 16: in front of her two young children. Last week, he

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Speaker 16: was sentenced to life in prison without parole. He was

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Speaker 16: awaiting transfer to a state prison when he broke out.

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Speaker 13: At first, I didn't think it was a big deal

571
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Speaker 13: until I heard how dangerous to guayas he really has

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Speaker 13: nothing to lose.

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Speaker 11: So this is like something that you see in the movies.

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Speaker 1: Just like Armstrong, nothing to lose, one of her last chance,

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Speaker 1: one of her last chances at freedom, and she took

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Speaker 1: it unrestrained at the legs, she runs like an olympian

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Speaker 1: and escapes law enforcement. Speaking of underestimating and ignoring the facts.

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Speaker 1: To Chris Buyer's Eye, owner of Buyer's Investigative Services, former

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Speaker 1: police chief in John's Creek, Chris, when I was hearing

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Speaker 1: about Calalcante's victims, it's not just the guy he killed

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Speaker 1: in Brazil, It's not just his girlfriend. Her three children

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Speaker 1: saw the whole thing. Her parents, her family will live

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Speaker 1: with that pain forever. And in this case, as we're

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Speaker 1: talking about her timing and her motives and how she

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Speaker 1: did it and how she slipped away, how do you

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Speaker 1: think this made Mariah Wilson's family feel that this woman

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Speaker 1: who reportedly murdered their girl in cold blood over nothing,

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Speaker 1: chasing her down and murdering her, cornering her in a

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Speaker 1: bathroom and shooting her dead.

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Speaker 2: How do you think they feel that.

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Speaker 1: Armstrong is allowed all of these privileges and freedom and

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Speaker 1: actually escapes.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it has to be absolutely frustrating for the family.

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Speaker 9: Talking about the video, the fact that she came out

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Speaker 9: of that doctor's office without any type of leg shackles on.

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Speaker 9: That should have all been done inside before she was

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Speaker 9: transported outside. And you know another big question. I will

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Speaker 9: take a slight issue with our crime online reporter. Those

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Speaker 9: were not police officers that were chasing her. They said

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Speaker 9: in some of the reports that it was correctional officers,

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Speaker 9: and man, when you look at what the hiring standards

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Speaker 9: for just a correctional officer, they don't go through the

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Speaker 9: same type of training. It would be interesting to know

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Speaker 9: whether those were actual sworn deputies or correctional officers that

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Speaker 9: was transporting her. But either way, policies weren't following.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Chris Myers, you say tomato, I say tomato, because

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Speaker 1: they were in charge of transporting her. They're armed, they

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Speaker 1: have a gun, and they are in charge of her

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Speaker 1: getting back to the jail and not hurting anybody. But no,

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Speaker 1: that didn't happen. I don't care what kind of badge

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Speaker 1: they're wearing. They're the ones wearing the badge, not armstrong.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely, I.

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Speaker 2: Can't believe you even try that on me.

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Speaker 1: Buyers, They're a correctional officer, they're not a real cop.

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Speaker 2: Did you want to follow up with me?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely no.

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Speaker 9: And that was part of my question is looking into this,

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Speaker 9: whether they let just correctional officers take her outside of

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Speaker 9: the facility, which should not be the policy. It should

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Speaker 9: be sworn deputies that are taking her, you know, when

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Speaker 9: you're going out outside of your facility like that, That's

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Speaker 9: who it should have been. But clearly, either protocols are

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Speaker 9: bad or protocols were not followed for her to be

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Speaker 9: able to walk out of there not having any type

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Speaker 9: of restraints on her legs, clearly handcuffed in the front.

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Speaker 9: If she was handcuffed I couldn't tell from the video either.

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Speaker 9: It looked like she possibly was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she may have been handcuffed. She was

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Speaker 1: not like shackled at all. She's running like an Olympic sprinter.

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Speaker 1: But guys, now, now we're getting a little peak where

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Speaker 1: the defense is headed in this case. Take a Lisnour

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Speaker 1: cut eleven B from Fox seven.

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Speaker 5: This case is currently under a gag order, so Armstrong's

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Speaker 5: defense team couldn't provide an updated comment, but Fox seven

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Speaker 5: Austin did speak to her defense attorney, Rick Coe.

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Speaker 2: For last year about the upcoming trial, and we have

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Speaker 2: that hearing.

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Speaker 17: My hope is that the entirety of the early investigation

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Speaker 17: of this case is exposed, exposed to the Austin community

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Speaker 17: exposed to the entire world, because the entire world should

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Speaker 17: see the wrong that has been committed by the Austin

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Speaker 17: Police Department in this case.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so happy. It's the Austin Police Department's fault.

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Speaker 1: They're the bad guy, not Caitlin Armstrong that gunned down

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Speaker 1: Mariah in cold blood. What is he talking about, Alexis

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Speaker 1: Tereshtrak What did the Austin ped do wrong? According to

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Speaker 1: the defense attorney, and you got to take that with

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Speaker 1: a box assault.

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Speaker 2: But what are they claiming?

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Speaker 6: I believe they're claiming that she there was somebody else there,

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Speaker 6: that they have not connected her to the car that

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Speaker 6: was her car, and that there were lots of other

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Speaker 6: suspects that they have ignored completely in favor of only

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Speaker 6: focusing on her and barely.

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Speaker 1: They say, Okay, we can sort all that out at trial.

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Speaker 1: And we are headed to trial, miss Thing. You are

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Speaker 1: going to trial, Caitlin Armstrong. We wait as just as

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Speaker 1: some folks. Goodbye, friend,