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Speaker 1: Welcome to Counterpoints. We always say that we have an

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Speaker 1: amazing show today, really, really.

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Speaker 4: Really, Bryan, it's so excited.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible. There's so much going on in the world.

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Speaker 1: Gold cards, yes, you can buy you if you have

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Speaker 1: five billion dollars, don't blow it, because you can buy

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Speaker 1: an American citizenship according to Trump. Coming soon, all right,

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Speaker 1: coming soon to ocation.

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Speaker 4: Here you all right, So we're going to start with

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Speaker 4: news that actually House Republicans past the budget resolution last night.

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Speaker 4: We're going to walk everyone through exactly how they got

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Speaker 4: there and what it means, what it could mean for medicaid,

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Speaker 4: what it could mean for all kinds of stuff. So

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Speaker 4: that's going to be up first. Then we have lots

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Speaker 4: of updates from DOGE. As is the case every single day,

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Speaker 4: we learn more about what DOGE is up to. Sometimes

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Speaker 4: these reports are conflicting, but we are going to get

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Speaker 4: to the bottom of the last twenty four hours in

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Speaker 4: doge world. Trump also introduced, as we just teased, a

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Speaker 4: quite interesting idea about five million dollar gold cards that

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Speaker 4: could replace visas.

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Speaker 5: And Ryan has some reporting.

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Speaker 4: A share from drop site on the bombing in Syria

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Speaker 4: that just took place over the course of the last

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Israel launched an aerosault over Damascus and its surrounding areas.

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Speaker 1: Because why not.

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Speaker 4: That's and you had just on the ground as I

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Speaker 4: was on the ground, right, Yeah, Boob had him on

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Speaker 4: the show last week.

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Speaker 1: He just returned from Syria. We filed a dispatch last

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Speaker 1: night with Ali Unis. We're also going to talk about

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Speaker 1: Ukraine agreeing that Okay, you know what, after all, we

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Speaker 1: will sign we will sign a deal around rare earth

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Speaker 1: ports the part they removed the we're going to take

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Speaker 1: five hundred billion of it, So good negotiation from Zelenski.

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty big sticking point. Five hundred billion dollar

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Speaker 4: Well, it's still.

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Speaker 1: No security guarantees. We've got Steve Bannon comments about what

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Speaker 1: that we'll get to it. And meanwhile, prosecutors are being

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Speaker 1: to police reports, bruised up his not wife, but girlfriend

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Speaker 4: Yep, yep. But so we'll go into the sort of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see, we will dive into all of that.

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Speaker 4: that the House of Representatives passed a budget resolution last night.

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Speaker 4: first element up on the screen. This was the vote total.

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Speaker 4: same concerns about Medicaid. Someone like Susan Collins is not

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Speaker 4: What many on the left will say amount to cut

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Speaker 4: know the particulars of how they'll get to these cuts yet,

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Speaker 1: And that's why you keep seeing Trump saying that he

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Speaker 1: that the numbers four point five trillion in spending, tax cuts,

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Speaker 1: It's all made up. So it doesn't really matter what

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Speaker 1: point five, yeah, one point five. So they're saying they're

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Speaker 1: going So they're even in their rosiest scenario, they're saying

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Speaker 1: in spending. Don't worry only bad things waste for an abuse,

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Speaker 1: here's here's Thomas Massey explaining why he voted no on this.

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Speaker 4: Will you just talk to us?

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Speaker 5: Are you still know?

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Speaker 6: Is there anything they they convinced me in there? I'm

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Speaker 6: me their own numbers. If the Republican plan passes under

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Speaker 6: the rosiest assumptions, which aren't even true, we're gonna add

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Speaker 5: Thre are you solidly you know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they convinced me.

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Speaker 1: Right, so Emily, what am I missing? That's a very

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the only possible rebuttal to that from

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Speaker 4: if that's your ideological position, you're consistent in it.

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Speaker 4: The counter argument is really.

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Speaker 1: We got to do something, broa do something.

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Speaker 4: But that actually is the counter argument. That's literally the

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Speaker 4: counter argument that you'll get from people like Mike Johnson,

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Speaker 4: who used to be sort of freedom Caucus adjacent, like

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Speaker 4: looking at at this huge addition. As Massy pointed out,

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Speaker 4: let's take a look at how Democrats are reacting up

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Speaker 4: particularly to what's been going on, not deicaid wise, this

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Speaker 7: There's a fundamental math problem here. There is a constant

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Speaker 7: reiduration of waste, fraud and abuse. Sure, that's great, What

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Speaker 7: is the identified amount of waste that this committee is identified?

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Speaker 7: Because what the order that's been sent down here is

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Speaker 7: fined eight hundred and eighty billion dollars. Not there is

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Speaker 7: eight hundred and eighty billion dollars of waste, fraud and abuse.

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Speaker 7: It's it's fined eight hundred and eighty billion dollars. And

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Speaker 7: so we have not heard a single concrete number of

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Speaker 7: the amount of waste that's been identified. We have not

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Speaker 7: heard a single concrete number on the amount of abuse

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Speaker 7: that's been identified. And there's just kind of this vague

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Speaker 7: magic wand around waste. To my colleague from California's point,

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Speaker 7: and waste is being used as a very large word

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Speaker 8: Children will be devastating, Families will be devastated, people with

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Speaker 4: So Rain, what's really interesting about that is this Republican

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll give you my theory on why I

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Speaker 1: And there is an enormous amount of waste in Medicaid

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Speaker 1: But there is indeed you could. So it's eight hundred

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Speaker 1: I think you could actually do that without hurting individual people.

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Speaker 1: So pay them, put them to work. Go find the fraud.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was much easier to do medicare and

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Speaker 1: Like if you're some like South Florida like scam operation

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Speaker 1: they pretend that they sold wheelchairs to them, They charged

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Speaker 4: It's very sad how like these grifts are so convenient

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Speaker 1: Least of all business owners, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 4: The people who obviously need it most. And so as

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Speaker 1: Right, because Democrats are unwilling to go after it because

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Speaker 1: And they spent the next ten years with Republicans complaining

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Speaker 1: Is that about what they're Is that what we can

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Speaker 1: expect you think, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's probably a pretty good sketch

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Speaker 4: of what'll actually end up happening here. You know. The

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Speaker 4: the also the mentality with the one bill versus two bills,

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Speaker 4: and Mike Johnson won that out obviously, right so far right.

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Speaker 4: John Thune wanted to do two bills instead of just

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Speaker 4: one big beautiful reconciliation bill. Part of the thinking was

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Speaker 4: that you'd be able to put a lot more of

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Speaker 4: the tough stuff in the first bill with the promise

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Speaker 4: of getting the tax cuts or something in the second bill,

446
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Speaker 4: you would be able or you could do something the

447
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Speaker 4: other way around, depending on your motivations. But that was

448
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Speaker 4: a losing argument from Thune. So we'll see how they

449
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Speaker 4: can keep these like really narrow majorities in the Senate

450
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Speaker 4: in the House together to get these votes. It's not

451
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Speaker 4: going to be easy at all. But once again, Trump

452
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Speaker 4: is the factor that can get things across the line,

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Speaker 4: because I mean we've seen this multiple times with nominations

454
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Speaker 4: in the Senate. He's able to make that math work

455
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Speaker 4: by threats. One thing that people have talked about is

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Speaker 4: the America pac that Elon Musk set up that was

457
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Speaker 4: instrumental in Pennsylvania. That is a sort of sort of

458
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Speaker 4: damicles people have said, hanging over the head of Republicans.

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Speaker 4: That's been able to get them in line so far

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Speaker 4: throughout this first month of Donald Trump's presidency, his second presidency.

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Speaker 4: So we'll see what happens with these votes. But that's

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Speaker 4: very very powerful going forward. All Right.

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Speaker 1: What I like about this show, and I think if

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Speaker 1: you made it through this segment, I think you have

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Speaker 1: a pretty good idea of what's going on here in

466
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Speaker 1: a pretty weird situation. Should we see if we can

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Speaker 1: keep that up with DOJE I doubt it.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a trip to do Let's try though.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's start with President Donald Trump, who decided

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Speaker 1: that he was going to clear things up for federal

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Speaker 1: workers because there's been a very confusing situation where Elon

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Speaker 1: Musk emailed everybody in the government and said, you know,

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Speaker 1: reply to your boss and see see omb and tell

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Speaker 1: us the five things that you accomplished last week very quickly.

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Speaker 1: The FBI, the CIA, you know, d n I, the Pentagon,

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Speaker 1: lots of places that have national security applications. We're like,

477
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Speaker 1: maybe it's not such a great idea to put all

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Speaker 1: the information about what you did the last week into

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Speaker 1: a public you know, basically a publicly available email. I

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Speaker 1: tapped Ryan Grim's phone, which you will then be uploaded

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Speaker 1: into some deeply insecure AI to have it analyzed. And

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk's response was, hey, I said, don't send classified information.

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Speaker 1: And they're like, okay, thanks that that still doesn't help.

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Speaker 1: We still don't want all of our employees responding and

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Speaker 1: telling Chairman she and deepseek exactly what they did the

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Speaker 1: last week. So then Elon Musk said, all right, well,

487
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Speaker 1: screw you. I'm going to ask again next week, and

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Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't do it next week, they're going to

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Speaker 1: be fired, despite what the Secretary of Defense or anybody

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Speaker 1: else might say. So thankfully there is somebody in charge.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump decided to clear it up for everybody. Here's

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Speaker 1: the man himself.

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Speaker 9: Can you clarify, hopefully, once and for all, what your

494
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Speaker 9: expectations are with this email the federal employees? What are

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Speaker 9: you going to use that information for? And do you

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Speaker 9: see it as voluntary like opm said or Mandy.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well it's somewhat voluntary, but it's also if you

498
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Speaker 10: don't answer, I guess you get fired. What it really is,

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Speaker 10: what it is is do people exist. We have this

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Speaker 10: massive government with millions of people, and nobody knows who's

501
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Speaker 10: working for the government who's not. So what they're doing

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Speaker 10: is they're sending out a letter to everybody and they're saying,

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Speaker 10: what were the things you did last week? I guess

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Speaker 10: they asked for five and if people are working, it's easy.

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Speaker 10: I could tell you five things I did last week.

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Speaker 10: I could tell you five things I did six weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's what I call government efficiency right.

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Speaker 4: There, right, somewhat voluntary, but if you don't do it,

509
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Speaker 4: you get fired.

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Speaker 5: So it is somewhat volunteer.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the Secretary of Defense or the director of

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Speaker 1: National Intelligence tells you do not do this thing. The

513
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Speaker 1: president tells you it's somewhat voluntary, but if you don't

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Speaker 1: do it, you're fired.

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Speaker 4: I guess is that what he said?

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Speaker 1: He was like, I guess, so do you do it?

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Speaker 4: I think you do it. It doesn't hurt to do.

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Speaker 1: It, well, except it hurts national security.

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Speaker 4: Well if you, but he'd like, do it, but just

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Speaker 4: be like, hey, to be clear, this is not actually

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Speaker 4: what I did. No, there's no way to know. There's

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Speaker 4: no right answer here. There's no right answer here. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think you obviously followed the directions of the department

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Speaker 4: had and some.

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Speaker 1: Managers have instructed their employees to say, here's the five

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Speaker 1: things you should say, Like number one, I fulfilled the

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Speaker 1: responsibilities as listed in my job duties. Number two, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I coordinated with my manager on my duties and completed those.

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Speaker 1: Which is amazing that you'd create all of this wasted

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Speaker 1: time for work and managers to do this, and elonfficiency.

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Speaker 4: There actually have been sort of competing things from Elon

532
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Speaker 4: Musk to who on the one hand, is saying that

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Speaker 4: this is just a quote pulse check, like he's repeatedly said,

534
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Speaker 4: this is just to make sure that you're not dead right,

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Speaker 4: like you're not a fake person. We're cutting down always

536
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Speaker 4: fraud andbs by just getting these responses back. But on

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Speaker 4: the other hand, he's saying like, and we've seen it

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Speaker 4: from the White House too. On the messaging is that like,

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Speaker 4: we don't think people are doing serious work. So are

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Speaker 4: you supposed to take it as just a pulse check

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Speaker 4: or are you supposed to take it as an actual

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Speaker 4: inquiry about the substance of your work. It's genuinely like

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Speaker 4: pretty there are thousands of people who have faced this

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Speaker 4: conundrum over the course of the past week. Some of

545
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Speaker 4: them are very important jobs, others of them probably less

546
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Speaker 4: important jobs. But if we have put B two up

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Speaker 4: on the screen here, this is a script from NBC

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Speaker 4: News that twenty one does staffers have resigned over a

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Speaker 4: refusal to quote jeopardize American sensitive data. According to a

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Speaker 4: letter that NBC News got, Ryan, did you read this

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Speaker 4: the report, it's pretty it's pretty I don't know. I

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Speaker 4: think all of this doesn't portend well for the future

553
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Speaker 4: of DOGE, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: So in defense of Doge, these are Doggie in defensive Doggie.

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Speaker 1: These are people who were already in the doghouse ye

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Speaker 1: when when the dog Pound boss showed up, because this

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Speaker 1: was the US what was it called the Digital Services

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Speaker 1: of the Digital Services, and they just repurposed it as

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Speaker 1: as Doggy, and so these folks are you know, these

560
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Speaker 1: are former Google, you know, lots of Silicon Valley tech

561
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Speaker 1: people who decided they wanted to come work in the

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Speaker 1: government and help the government become more efficient. That's why

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Speaker 1: they went, you know, that's why they took this agency

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Speaker 1: and converted it into the DOJE. And so these are

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Speaker 1: not diehard Elon Musk fans, yes, or these are not

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Speaker 1: Maga types.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, it's arguably the deep state that he's.

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Speaker 1: Targeting, except yeah, it's a fairly new deep state. But

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Speaker 1: so it's almost surprising that they lasted this long. So

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's that damaging necessarily to Doggy, because

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Speaker 1: I think they can find some pups that'll come in

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Speaker 1: and do their dirty work. Like there there are there's

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Speaker 1: there's more than one big balls out in Silicon Valley

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Speaker 1: that they can you know, there's no shortage of nineteen

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Speaker 1: year olds on four Chan that that must can you know,

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Speaker 1: recruit to come and do this work.

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Speaker 4: The response from Elin Musk was, quote, these were dem

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Speaker 4: political holdovers who refused to return to the office. They

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Speaker 4: would have been fired had they not resigned.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Katie Miller, Probably true.

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Speaker 4: Katie Miller said, quote, these were full remote workers who

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Speaker 4: hung trans flags from their workplaces. That's the Katie Miller

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Speaker 4: response to.

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Speaker 1: This, I gets what great are we in here? Probably true,

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Speaker 1: might be true.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, that's They also named the DOZE administrator yesterday,

587
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Speaker 4: like I think it was the Washington Examiner finally got

588
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Speaker 4: their hands on the name of the person who, Yes,

589
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Speaker 4: a person who seemed to have been on vacation who

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Speaker 4: was formerly a part of the us D. And this

591
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Speaker 4: is interesting because Elon Musk was seen as the head

592
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Speaker 4: of DOGE, and then the White House confirmed last week

593
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Speaker 4: that Elon Musk was not even part of DOGE formally,

594
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Speaker 4: but was employed by the White House and sort of

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Speaker 4: oversaw DOGE in his capacity as a White House official

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Speaker 4: as a special quote special government employee. So anyway, I

597
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Speaker 4: guess I shouldn't have said that this doesn't portend well

598
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Speaker 4: for the future of DOGE, but it does. Just there's

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Speaker 4: there's an air of chaos around DOGE that doesn't bother

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Speaker 4: the people involved in it at all. I mean, I

601
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Speaker 4: think a lot of this was always intentionally, understandably going

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Speaker 4: to involve chaos. Everyone certain knew that. But there's chaos,

603
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Speaker 4: and then there's chaos that's inefficient, ironically, and in this case,

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Speaker 4: I do think there's just I mean that the like

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Speaker 4: the the email one is a really good example, there's

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Speaker 4: chaos to the point of creating inefficiencies to the end

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Speaker 4: of efficiency. Like in the process of creating efficiency, it's

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Speaker 4: just been a very it was always going to be messy,

609
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Speaker 4: but they're creating more work unnecessarily for themselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's weird, like why are they doing this?

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Speaker 1: Why are they doing this weekly email thing? Like I've

612
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Speaker 1: seen a lot of people be like, well, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: wrong with like a worker telling their boss what they

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Speaker 1: did the last week. It's like, Bro, you don't think

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Speaker 1: that they were already doing that. I guess, I guess,

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Speaker 1: I guess if you have bottom barrel levels of hostility

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Speaker 1: towards all federal workers, and you think that managers aren't

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Speaker 1: managing their workers and workers aren't actually doing any work,

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Speaker 1: then you need to come in and tell them to

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Speaker 1: do this. But if you checked in, you'd see, like,

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Speaker 1: this is a bureaucracy. These are this is a giant bureaucracy.

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Speaker 1: The one thing that bureaucracies definitely do is this kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff. What did you do, Like what did you

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Speaker 1: get done last week? Like check you know, who did

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Speaker 1: you check in with? What meetings?

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Speaker 4: Half the work.

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Speaker 1: Just having meetings about meetings, And it is the criticism

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Speaker 1: of a bureaucracy.

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Speaker 4: They spend too much time keeping track of that, right.

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Speaker 1: And so now Musk is going to come in with

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Speaker 1: another TPS report that they have to complete that is

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Speaker 1: supposed to be in the name of efficiency. It's like,

633
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Speaker 1: so it's so dumb. It raises the question, Okay, what

634
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Speaker 1: do they really do, what's really going on here? And

635
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Speaker 1: is it are they actually trying to create chaos Under

636
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Speaker 1: the old argument that Democrats would always make about Republicans

637
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Speaker 1: that they don't like government, and so then when they

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Speaker 1: get in power, they make it not work and then

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Speaker 1: they point to the fact that it doesn't work under

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Speaker 1: them as reason that you should get rid of the government.

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Speaker 1: Is it really just as simple as that old thing

642
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Speaker 1: just now dressed up as a as a sleek cyber truck.

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Speaker 4: Cer truck.

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Speaker 5: Wow, that was beautiful, very poetic.

645
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a very poetic time.

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Speaker 1: Putting this stuff out for free.

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Speaker 5: Yes, well not if you want it commercial free.

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Speaker 1: If you want a commercial free taking points dot com.

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Speaker 4: So Rokanna posted a video of a fired VA worker

650
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Speaker 4: that just in this bigger conversation about inefficiencies, I mean,

651
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Speaker 4: the email point. I think some of this obviously is intentional.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the rost Bilt playbook was explicitly before the

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Speaker 4: election to push trauma for bureaucrats, and so I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think that's that's obviously the playbook and part of this.

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Speaker 4: But again, there's efficiency, there's inefficiencies that are sort of

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Speaker 4: inevitable when you're creating cast, and then there's inefficiencies that

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Speaker 4: are hurting your effort to battle inefficiencies. So let's take

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Speaker 4: a look at this video that Rokana posted of some

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Speaker 4: people who have been affected by various cuts you enroll this.

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Speaker 11: I'm a veteran I deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Speaker 11: Anybody who asked me, you know, I would have told

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Speaker 11: them I was told them for Trump. But at this point,

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Speaker 11: I mean, obviously I never would have expected things to

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Speaker 11: go this far. So this was really a job that

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Speaker 11: meant a lot to me. So it was a way

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Speaker 11: for me to help veterans that are struggling.

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Speaker 6: I served this country, but now under Trump's executive orders,

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Speaker 6: I'm being discarded like I don't matter.

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Speaker 12: I don't think anybody's opposed to the idea of government

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Speaker 12: efficiency and really getting rid of wasteful practices, but doing

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Speaker 12: it in such a chaotic manner that leads to people

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Speaker 12: getting fires by the tens of thousands. This was my

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Speaker 12: dream job, and it's just being taken away by an

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Speaker 12: administration who doesn't care about science.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't care about people who might be homeless.

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Speaker 5: I literally sink in my chair.

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Speaker 2: I had no idea that without due process, that I

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Speaker 2: could just be terminated out of the blue.

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Speaker 13: I was a highly performing individual.

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Speaker 14: I would just ask President Trump and anybody else that

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Speaker 14: might be in charge to reconsider your decision.

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Speaker 1: The United States of America is not a social media

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Speaker 1: or tech company, and it should not be run like one.

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Speaker 4: Mister President, many of these people voted for you.

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Speaker 13: I don't regret voting for President Trump, but the actual

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Speaker 13: policy is being pursued. Just don't come board at all

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Speaker 13: with the actual holes the administration.

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Speaker 1: We want them reinstated. It's an absolute try.

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Speaker 9: Obviously that the president's of other day, except that Elon

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Speaker 9: Musk was a patriot. When we see how many veterans

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Speaker 9: we have on the line that are being absolutely devastated

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Speaker 9: by this.

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Speaker 1: This has been devastating for our family.

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Speaker 4: We have a mortgage. We have to favor preschool.

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Speaker 12: Mine happened on February fifteenth, but the day before what

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Speaker 12: many reporters are calling the Valentine's a massacre, my computer

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Speaker 12: went black and I was unable to sign back into

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Speaker 12: my computer.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was the source of our families healthcare.

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Speaker 1: It's put us in a pretty strenuous position right now.

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Speaker 12: People getting fired and bringing back because they were fired

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Speaker 12: without realizing how crucial their work is. It really leads

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Speaker 12: to mistrust from the general public and steers people away

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Speaker 12: from a career public service.

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Speaker 13: I was anticipating having, you know, twelve weeks of fraternity

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Speaker 13: leaves through my work with the USDA, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean ren we talked about for months before Doggie actually

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Speaker 4: went into effect. Those are actually went into effect, that

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Speaker 4: there were going to be all kinds of tear jerking

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Speaker 4: images of fired federal workers, whether they're on the streets

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Speaker 4: with their ferns and boxes or talking in these video

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Speaker 4: that Democrats put out that make the process complicate the

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Speaker 4: politics of the process for Republicans now. A Harvard Harris

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Speaker 4: poll this week found pretty widespread support for DOGE.

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Speaker 5: I think to the.

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Speaker 1: Worst polster in America should underscore although.

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Speaker 4: To be fair, to be fair, other because it's Mark

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Speaker 4: Penn's yeah, to be fair. Other polls have found similar results.

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Speaker 1: If you ask should you cut federal spending and like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, And the reason I bring that up is

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Speaker 4: because to the extent Republicans are able to say this

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Speaker 4: is just about waste frauden abuse, and they keep saying

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Speaker 4: waste for an abuse, waste frauden abuse, then they can

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Speaker 4: they can politically sort of win the battle and overcome

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Speaker 4: the obstacles of having all of these tear drinking stories

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Speaker 4: circulated through media and by Democrats. But those stories, the

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Speaker 4: more powerful they are and the more sympathetic they are,

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Speaker 4: they create a much higher hurdle to overcome for Republicans

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Speaker 4: to make the case that this is just about waste,

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Speaker 4: frauden abuse.

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Speaker 1: Right, And if if they did all this and they

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Speaker 1: made the government more efficient, and they and they like

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Speaker 1: cut taxes for people, then you probably would have a

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Speaker 1: decent chunk of the American public would be like, I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry that this had to happen to these hardworking people,

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Speaker 1: but you know, we have to live within our meets.

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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah. They're not going to do that,

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Speaker 1: Like I think, they're going to make the government much

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Speaker 1: less efficient. They're gonna and they're going to anger a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, uh in how they do it, and

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Speaker 1: they're going to basically go on a round of grifting.

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Speaker 1: So one of the one of the workers in there

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Speaker 1: was from the VA. The the doge lead who's handling

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Speaker 1: the VA is just in fulture as so much is

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Speaker 1: going on that has barely gotten any attention. He's the

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Speaker 1: co founder of ring m D, which is a telehealth company.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what would be a more

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Speaker 1: direct conflict of interest than sending a telehealth tech guy

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Speaker 1: into the VA to slash and destroy it. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna make sure all these veterans get much worse care.

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Speaker 1: Oh and guess what, I have a telehealth company here

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Speaker 1: that is willing to step into the breach. Sorry that

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Speaker 1: you know, we shut down these different community facilities. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: We've extended way times and now you can't get in

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Speaker 1: to see an actual doctor for six months. But guess what,

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Speaker 1: I have a Zoom for you for the low low

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Speaker 1: price of whatever he charges the VA. Well, don't you

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Speaker 1: worry about it. We're just gonna We're just gonna have

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Speaker 1: the VA right it checked directly to us, and we're

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Speaker 1: going to walk away with enormous amounts of money.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and some of this has actually been

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Speaker 4: cuts to There have actually been proposed cuts to telehealth

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Speaker 4: coverage too. Like it's all very across the it's all

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Speaker 4: over the place. What's actually what the actual strategy is.

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Speaker 4: And again, like they would say that's completely necessary. I

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Speaker 4: actually agreed to some extent that they're going to be

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Speaker 4: conflicting cuts because they're trying to do this like sweeping

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Speaker 4: quote revolution according to Elon Musk, and there's a lot

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Speaker 4: that can be cut. I saw an interesting post someone

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Speaker 4: at the Manhattan Institute who said, imagine if Mitch Daniels

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Speaker 4: were in charge of DOGE like you had this very

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Speaker 4: it's an interesting catch twenty two because on the one hand,

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Speaker 4: you don't have the I guess cultural capital and just

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Speaker 4: like crazy will to do a lot of the stuff

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Speaker 4: that Elon.

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Speaker 5: Remember the government the very mild manner Tea.

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Speaker 4: Party era governor of Indiana.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, who was all about it?

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Speaker 4: Sort of like a Coburn type of Tom Coburn type, who's.

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Speaker 5: All about it?

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Speaker 4: Uh, someone who would you know, like the Rand Paul

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Speaker 4: annual Festivus list like these. This is you know, the

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Speaker 4: bread and butter of somebody like Mitch Daniels. And it's

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Speaker 4: kind of a fascinating hypothetical to think about, or just

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Speaker 4: like a to think about what it would look like

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Speaker 4: without Elon Musk, like Dose without Elon Musk, because on

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Speaker 4: the one hand, you don't have the insane energy, but

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Speaker 4: on the other hand you don't have the insane energies.

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Speaker 4: Could you even have DOGE without Elon musk't know, but

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Speaker 4: without Elon Musk it probably would be there would be streamlining.

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Speaker 4: I would imagine there would be like more consistency.

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Speaker 1: Last point on efficiency because we're not being a very

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Speaker 1: efficient moving through this block.

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Speaker 4: We don't claim to be the department of That's right

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Speaker 4: media efficiency.

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Speaker 1: Though, because of civil service protections, Musk had to go

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Speaker 1: after people who were on probation. It's been widely reported

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Speaker 1: that that means that they were hired within the last one,

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Speaker 1: two or three years, but it also includes people who

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Speaker 1: were recently promoted from one GT from one level to another.

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Speaker 1: In that brief period during the promotion, you are back

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Speaker 1: on a probationary period, even if you've been there for

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Speaker 1: fifteen years. So think about what that means. All of

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Speaker 1: the people that he fired without checking with their managers

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Speaker 1: about how valuable they were, without even looking to see

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Speaker 1: whether or not they protected nuclear secrets, were trying to

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Speaker 1: prevent an outbreak of bird flu, any of these things.

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Speaker 1: What they also did systematically is fired everybody who was

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Speaker 1: you know, came into the government within the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years, which means somebody over the last couple of

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Speaker 1: years decided that this is a position that they needed filled.

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Speaker 1: These are very hard jobs to get, like there is

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Speaker 1: a it's a ridiculous ticket that you have to go through,

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Speaker 1: and that would be a good place to cut usually

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Speaker 1: and just you know, so you can actually hire fast.

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Speaker 1: It can take like two years to get one of

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Speaker 1: these jobs. It's incredible because they're trying so hard to

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Speaker 1: root out corruption, and I think they've gone too far

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Speaker 1: in the inefficient direction because corruption and efficiency and transparency

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Speaker 1: and inefficiency kind of go together in an uncomfortable way

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Speaker 1: that we don't like to talk about. So these are

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Speaker 1: new people, but then also people who got promoted. So

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Speaker 1: who did you not fire, Like people who've been in

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Speaker 1: the same job for like twelve years.

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Speaker 4: When some people have been rehired because they realize like,

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Speaker 4: oh right.

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Speaker 1: We do have to actually do something about bird flu.

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Speaker 4: So again the inefficient inefficient. Now that to people like

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Speaker 4: my friend's on the right, were like like, okay, so

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Speaker 4: you are now like this is a just cause and

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Speaker 4: you are now whining about the process, And I actually

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Speaker 4: completely understand that, but I still my kind of arguments

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Speaker 4: that would be we don't know how this all plays out,

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Speaker 4: Like there's still a long way to go, right.

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Speaker 1: They'd say, you got to break some eggs and make

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Speaker 1: an omelet, and I'm like, cool, where's the omelet?

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Speaker 4: Wait waiting for the outlet? All right, So let's pivot

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Speaker 4: to this news that Kyle Cheney posted and be four

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Speaker 4: about judges. Judges, judges, judges. This is the fight for

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Speaker 4: the next couple of weeks. Obviously a lot of this

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Speaker 4: has gotten tied up in the courts, but it just

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Speaker 4: took an interesting turn. So Kyle Chaney says a federal

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Speaker 4: judge gave the Trump administration about thirty six hours to

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Speaker 4: pay out hundreds of millions of hundreds of millions of

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Speaker 4: dollars for work performed by foreign aid contractors and is

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Speaker 4: demanding details about potential defiance of his orders.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of defiance.

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Speaker 4: Of the judges orders, Elon Musk posted this yesterday.

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Speaker 5: This is from this is be five.

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Speaker 4: If any judge anywhere can block every presidential order everywhere,

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Speaker 4: we do not have democracy.

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Speaker 5: We have tyranny of the judiciary now.

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Speaker 4: Elon Musk also, I want to point out weighed in

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Speaker 4: on something that Nai Bukele posted, where he said, if

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Speaker 4: you don't impeach the corrupt judges, you cannot fix the country.

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Speaker 4: They will form a cartel, a judicial dictatorship, and block

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Speaker 4: all reforms protecting the systemic corruption that put them in

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Speaker 4: their seats, and Musk essentially posted an agreement with that

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Speaker 4: point from Bukela, did you see musk posts on the strine. No,

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Speaker 4: he reposted the Bukeli thing in agreement, and that to

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Speaker 4: me is offensive, to be honest, because Bukele is making

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Speaker 4: a very direct comparison between the judicial system in the

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Speaker 4: United States and the judicial system in El Salvador. That's insane.

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Speaker 1: That is pretty insane.

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Speaker 4: I don't think our system is like perfect, and I

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Speaker 4: do think there's some serious questions about separation of powers.

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Speaker 4: But that's insane.

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Speaker 1: That is insane. Now. Of course, it is true that

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Speaker 1: throughout our two hundred plus years for being a republic,

870
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Speaker 1: not a democracy, as the right loves to tell, but actually.

871
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Speaker 4: It's not a democracy, there has been a push and pull,

872
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 4: a tug of war between the executive of the legislative

873
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 4: and the judicial branch.

874
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Speaker 1: And you would see people like me who are angry

875
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Speaker 1: about Supreme Court decisions or FDR for instance in the

876
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties, who are angry about Supreme Court decisions hemming

877
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: in the will of the people. During the New Deal,

878
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: he threatened to expand the size of the court through

879
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: a legislative action, and as a result, the Supreme Court

880
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: back down and started allowing new Deal policies to go through. Hey,

881
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: so this is kind of how it goes. These are

882
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: different power centers. These are the checks and balances that

883
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: are built right into the system. For Elon Musk to

884
00:45:54,520 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: be surprised that a check exists in a system, Uh,

885
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: I was going to say, it suggests that he didn't,

886
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 1: you know, go through elementary school in the United States.

887
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: But he did not go through elementary school in United States,

888
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: so he should go back and check out some of these,

889
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: like how a bill becomes a law, and the checks

890
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: and balances and like all the things. Well, they're on

891
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: the citizenship.

892
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 4: Test though, So here's what he posted.

893
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: Should have actually seen it then, unless he sent some

894
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: gamer in to take a citizenship test for him.

895
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 4: So bu Kelly posted, checks and balances don't truly exist

896
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 4: unless the judicial branch can also be checked.

897
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: Stops right there. Checks and balance exist, Salvador.

898
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Speaker 4: But he said checks and balances don't truly exist unless

899
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 4: the judicial branch can also be checked and balanced, and

900
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 4: Elon Musk responded, the only way to restore a rule

901
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 4: of the people in America is to impeach judges. No

902
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 4: one is above the law, including judges that is what

903
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 4: it took to fix Elfalvador. Same applies to America, and

904
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 4: it is true that you have to be able to

905
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 4: check the judiciary one hundred percent. It's true that you

906
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 4: should be able to check to judiciary. Now Elon Musk

907
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 4: going full Boukela here and the Trump administration, I mean,

908
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 4: there's there are reasons to have strategically close relationships, as

909
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 4: Mark Arrubia does with Bukele, But applying Bukeleyism to domestic

910
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 4: politics is different than CosIng up to Bokelly on foreign policy,

911
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 4: even if we disagree with that relationship doing it. Applying

912
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 4: bu Kellyism to domestic politics is like it would be

913
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 4: just have a completely different country, completely different system. And

914
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 4: you can understand why people would say, well, maybe that's

915
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 4: a slippery slope to just completely politicizing the judiciary branch.

916
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 4: And I agree the judiciary branch has like problems with

917
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 4: being already overly political, but it's not El Salvador.

918
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: It's a very surprising thing for him to suggest, because

919
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: you need two thirds vote in both the House and

920
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: Senate to impeach a judge, and clearly Republicans don't have

921
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: two thirds votes, so why float something you know, just happens.

922
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 4: To shift the Overton window.

923
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he knows that. I mean, I don't

924
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Speaker 1: know if he knows not. Like the in the first

925
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Speaker 1: couple of years of our republic, and people look up

926
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Speaker 1: the exact judge on this, there was a judge who

927
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Speaker 1: was ruling against the Federalists, if I'm remembering the details right,

928
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: and people were and the Federalists were mad about that,

929
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: and they tried to impeach him based on his decisions.

930
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: Not they didn't say he was corrupt. Alsee Hastings, late

931
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: Democratic Congress and I think he's late, was impeached as

932
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: a federal judge, but for corruption, and then he was

933
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: elected to Congress. It was kind of funny. He's like, wait,

934
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: didn't you didn't you get impeached and thrown out of

935
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: office and then and then you won a congressional seat whatever. Okay,

936
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: but that was for corruption. The founders basically in that

937
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: first or second term or whatever it was of Congress

938
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: rejected that resoundingly, and a lot of the Federalists or

939
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: whoever it was that would have benefited politically from getting

940
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: rid of that judge yeah, said no, on principle, we

941
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: do not want to set a precedent that a judge

942
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: should be removed because we don't agree with their decision.

943
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I'm not panic So yeah, I'm personally not

944
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 4: panicked yet about this question because I think this is

945
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 4: an intentional effort on behalf of the Trump administration to

946
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 4: force judicial decisions about executive power and to and they've

947
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 4: been very clear about this. RUSSBO has been very clear

948
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 4: about this. They think executive power is atrophied, and they

949
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 4: want to force the question into the courts to get

950
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 4: definitive answers on things like the Impoundment Act, potentially to

951
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 4: overturn acts of Congress that they think have unduly sapped

952
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 4: power from the presidency. And some of that I actually

953
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 4: disagree with. I did think that creates a too powerful executive.

954
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 4: But on the other hand, I do think it's a

955
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 4: serious problem that you have. And we've talked about this before.

956
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 4: Sometimes at the EPA it doesn't happen as often to

957
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 4: the left as it does to the right, But you

958
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 4: have some bureaucrat who came through the revolving door and

959
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 4: is making decisions that the president wouldn't be happy about

960
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 4: to benefit the industry, to benefit oil and gas, industry,

961
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 4: but that they came from. So there is a serious

962
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 4: there's absolutely a serious question about how these executive branches,

963
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 4: these executive branch agencies should be tethered politically to the

964
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 4: goals of the president. On the other hand, there are

965
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 4: things like the FTC for example, or there are places

966
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 4: where you have to have some level of distance and

967
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 4: the judiciary is kind of the intermediary there.

968
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 5: So some of this.

969
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 4: Is just going to get kicked into the courts, and

970
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 4: it's going to feel kind of nerve wracking as it's happening,

971
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 4: because you don't know exactly how Trump and Musk will

972
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 4: wield those powers. It's hard to trust how Musk in

973
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 4: particular will suggest people in doggy dose wield those powers.

974
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 4: But on the other hand, there are some serious things

975
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 4: that do need to be resolved, and having i guess,

976
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 4: more direction one way or the other won't be the

977
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 4: end of the world. In fact, it could actually be

978
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 4: a good thing in some places of the government.

979
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Speaker 1: And interestingly, we're seeing multiple power centers within the executive

980
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: So the judge that we just mentioned sold told the

981
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: executive that they have to restart a lot of this

982
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: foreign aid funding or face contempt charges. But we've also learned.

983
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: I think it was in the Wall Street Journal that

984
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: Rubio and Trump approved spending around you know, feeding the

985
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: feeding the hungry, and AIDS funding as he said he would.

986
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: He said, if you if you really are just doing

987
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, poverty reduction stuff that isn't part of a

988
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: deep state cabal, then I am going to give you

989
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: a waiver and we're going to move move that money out.

990
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: So they approved a bunch of that stuff, and then

991
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: DOJE people came into the back end, and this is

992
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: what people have been panicked about with the DOJE unchecked

993
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: people and blocked.

994
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 4: It again, authorized by the Secretary of State.

995
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: Right, money authorized by the Secretary of States go back out,

996
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: appropriated by Congress, authorized by the Secretary of State who

997
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: was nominated and appointed by the President, confirmed by the Senate.

998
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: And then Big Balls comes in or not. I don't

999
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: want to slander Big Balls if he didn't anything to

1000
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: do with this. Some DOJE person goes in and just

1001
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: clicks a button and blocks it, and so the judge

1002
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: is saying, no, this, You've got to get this money moving.

1003
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 1: So it is who's in contempt. At that point, Rubio

1004
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: is like, look, I'm trying to spend this money. Now

1005
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: he's not trying to spend all of it. There's a

1006
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: bunch that Rubio doesn't want to spend it. The judges

1007
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: saying you have to spend and that's usad and that's

1008
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: going to be very interesting. But what do you do

1009
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: if the kids are like, no, I'm not going to

1010
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: not here to do it.

1011
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 4: H No, really, let's before we leave this block, kick

1012
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 4: it over to Representative Nicole malliots Hawkas of New York,

1013
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 4: who weighed in on Doge with some.

1014
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: Criticis reelection right, there's one of the few Republicans this

1015
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: is a chief target of Democrats.

1016
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's in New York's eleventh district, which is actually

1017
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 4: kind of one of the interesting places. I mean, she

1018
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 4: she won pretty handily last time, but it's a She's

1019
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 4: one of those places in New York where you can

1020
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 4: kind of find mago world an interesting it places out

1021
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 4: surprise I think a lot of people in like DC

1022
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 4: Beltway media. So let's turn it over to Representative Malia Takis.

1023
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 15: When I see what happened last week with the nine

1024
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 15: to eleven healthcare program, that employees were fired and that

1025
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 15: grants were removed, from the program. That disturbs me, and

1026
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 15: it just shows that they're acting too rash and that

1027
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 15: they need to slow it down a little bit.

1028
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 4: And obviously you're going to start seeing more and more

1029
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 4: of the sort of dissent from Doge and Elon Musk

1030
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 4: and Trump may or might not understand that some people

1031
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 4: obviously have to stake out positions that put them at

1032
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 4: odds with those or at least publicly stakeout positions even

1033
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 4: if their votes end up in Congress looking different, and

1034
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 4: even if their sort of criticism doesn't have a ton

1035
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 4: of teeth because they're a single representative in a swing district.

1036
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 4: So some of that you'll start to see more and

1037
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 4: more cracks in the foundation, as we have of the

1038
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 4: course the last week, people like you know, expectedly Lisa

1039
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 4: Murkowski coming out against Doge. It doesn't mean that the

1040
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 4: Republican Party as a whole is having problems with Dose.

1041
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 4: That said, this stuff does make it harder for She's

1042
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 4: responding to political pressures that Doge will have to answer to,

1043
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 4: not just in swing district but all over the country.

1044
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 4: The debate over how astro turfed or not astro turfed,

1045
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 4: for example, what Rich McCormick got in a deep red

1046
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 4: district in Georgia. As we talked about last Friday with

1047
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 4: Crystal Ryan, that whether or not it's part of like

1048
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 4: it was organized by Indivisible or some left leaning group.

1049
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 5: Isn't really the point.

1050
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 4: The point is that the means they're able to suddenly

1051
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 4: organize a bunch of people to get people out to

1052
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 4: town halls because there is actually some like legitimate frustration

1053
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 4: in even red parts of the country.

1054
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so she represents Staten Island and then Republican

1055
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: leaning portions of like outer Brooklyn's interesting areas, to.

1056
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 4: Quote Steve Benn, a lot of maga on Medicaid.

1057
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: Let's move on to Donald Trump's suggestion that they up

1058
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: the price for American citizenship, because you actually already can

1059
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: buy American citizenship, but sort of through a process of

1060
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: like you have to like invest like a certain amount

1061
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: of money or in a property or something, and then

1062
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: that moves you up in the in the line. So

1063
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: this is not actually a kind of brand new idea

1064
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: from Trump, but like Trump likes to do, he's really

1065
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: saying the quiet part out loud and just signing it

1066
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: and putting a price tag on completely so this new

1067
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: Trump idea for gold cards, we're going to.

1068
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,959
Speaker 16: Be doing something else. It's going to be very very good.

1069
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 10: We're going to be selling a gold card.

1070
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 16: You have a green card.

1071
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 10: This is a gold card.

1072
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 16: We're going to be putting a price on that card

1073
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 16: of about five million dollars and that's going to give

1074
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 16: you green card privileges. Plus it's going to be a

1075
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 16: route to citizenship and wealthy people will be coming into

1076
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 16: our country by buying this card. They'll be wealthy and

1077
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 16: they'll be successful, and they'll be spending a lot of

1078
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 16: money and paying a lot of taxes and employing a

1079
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 16: lot of people. And we think it's going to be

1080
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 16: extremely successful.

1081
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 10: Never been done before or anything like this, but it's

1082
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Speaker 10: something that we're going to be putting out over the

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00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 10: next would you say two weeks out, do.

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00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 16: You want to say a couple of words about sure

1085
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 16: a minute, you.

1086
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 17: Have to invest a certain amount of money in this

1087
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 17: country in order to qualify for.

1088
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 16: That goal card.

1089
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.

1090
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 18: So the EB five program was really you lend some money,

1091
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 18: but it was all it was full of nonsense, make

1092
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 18: believe in fraud, and it was a way to get

1093
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 18: a green card that was low priced. So the President said,

1094
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 18: rather than having this sort of ridiculous EB five program,

1095
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 18: We're going to end the EB five program. We're going

1096
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 18: to replace it with the Trump Gold Card, which is

1097
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 18: really a green card Gold. So they'll be able to

1098
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 18: pay five million dollars to the US government. They'll have

1099
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 18: to go through vetting. Of course, we're going to make

1100
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 18: sure they are wonderful, world class global citizens. They can

1101
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 18: come to America. The President can give them a green card,

1102
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 18: and they can invest in America and we can use

1103
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 18: that money to reduce our deficit. Why do we give

1104
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 18: out lotteries of green cards? Why do we give out

1105
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 18: EB five for green cards?

1106
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 4: Brian saying, that's Howard Lutna. Though, if you were listening

1107
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 4: to this and you couldn't see the video, that was

1108
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 4: the dulcet tones of Howard Lutlin explaining this.

1109
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: Here the former he was the head of what's the

1110
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: what's the private equity company? That was Gerald Old Trade Center. Yeah,

1111
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: a very interesting guy himself, and his story of nine

1112
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: to eleven is go find it if you can. Like

1113
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: he was, he would not be alive today if he

1114
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: hadn't taken his kid to kindergarten that morning he's the

1115
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: Commerce secretary. Yeah, and he was on his way to work.

1116
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: And I think they lost more than six hundred people

1117
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: at Canter Fitzgerald. So separate from that. So the EB

1118
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: five program, they're kind of right that it's right for abuse. Basically,

1119
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: you have to tell the government, you have to you

1120
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: have to convince the government that you're going that the

1121
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: amount of money that you're investing is going to create

1122
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: a certain amount of jobs. And the threshold for it

1123
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: is different. How do you, like, how do you define it,

1124
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: how do you how do you prove it? How do

1125
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: you actually make sure that somebody's actually doing it or not.

1126
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: It's all difficult, It's all, you know, just subject to

1127
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: different judgment calls. And so Trump's like, look, let's make

1128
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: it simpler. Write a check five million dollars pay to

1129
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: the Order of US Treasury. Yep, I guess they'll run

1130
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: a background check on your oligarch status. He said, well,

1131
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: he said, you know, or you're gonna let rush on

1132
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: oligarchs in. And he said, hey, some Russian oligarchs are

1133
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: not good people. I've met them. So I guess they'll

1134
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: they'll have the FBI do a little background check maybe

1135
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: or maybe not. I mean who knows so, and then

1136
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: and then you're in. And you know, if you're like

1137
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: from the US perspective, like, I can see lots of

1138
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: arguments around fairness and on and on, But from a

1139
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: just national kind of interest perspective, this seems like a

1140
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: smart move for the United States.

1141
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Like this is honestly a way more transparent

1142
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 4: and transactional, like nakedly transactional way to improve an already

1143
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 4: transactional program.

1144
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: And I think you might have a decent number of

1145
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: rich people who would take it up for their kids. Yeah,

1146
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: like they like, if you can cut a check for

1147
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: five million dollars for no reason to the to the US,

1148
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: then you probably are already a global citizen because you

1149
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:34,959
Speaker 1: can buy citizenship and like Cyprus or whatever, like less

1150
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: than that, and that gets you then citizenship in the EU.

1151
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: And you know, if you have citizenship in the EU,

1152
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: you have reciprocal trade, reciprocal travel privileges to the United States.

1153
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: So the only reason you might need this extra gold

1154
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: card would be, yeah, for your kids, So you give

1155
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: them a trust fund and you give them then citizenship

1156
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: that passes down because if your parents are an American citizen.

1157
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: I presume, now, should we make them buy a Gold

1158
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: card for every one of their kids and cousins and everything.

1159
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: Cousins definitely, but kids. Do the kids automatically get a

1160
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: Gold card out of this?

1161
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 4: That's a great question.

1162
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: If they weren't born here, that's a great question.

1163
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 4: But this is galaxy brain Trumpism, right. This is an

1164
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 4: idea that is so completely bizarre in Washington because it

1165
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 4: says we're just going to be transactional instead of we

1166
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 4: are going to mask our transactional process in the language

1167
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 4: of neoliberalism.

1168
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 5: He's like, no, five million dollars.

1169
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: Now, if you want it to be really neoliberal, the

1170
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: way that it should work is that you should be

1171
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: able to sell We're not going to print citizenships. Can't

1172
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: just create an asset bubble of citizenships. We have a

1173
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: flat number of citizenships out there, and if a rich

1174
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: person wants to buy it, they have to buy it

1175
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: from an American citizen.

1176
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 4: Bid.

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01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: So, if you want to sell your American citizenship to

1178
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: an oligarch for five million dollars, you can do that.

1179
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: I bet you'd have a lot of people be like,

1180
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: now you have to figure out like, okay, we're now

1181
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm a Now I am a country list like citizen

1182
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: of nowhere. So hey, Mexico, can I like come down

1183
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: and I have five million dollars, but I have nowhere

1184
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: that I can live.

1185
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 4: Just live in international waters and be funny if.

1186
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: You sold your citizenship and then at the ceremony, Ice

1187
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: arrests you and puts you in.

1188
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 5: Attention, I mean, I guess, but that's the thing.

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01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 4: Like, so our visa program is obviously there's very compligated,

1190
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 4: but there are all different ways that elite companies are

1191
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 4: already gaming the system, and rich pople are already gaming

1192
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 4: the system. So Trump is like, if we're going to

1193
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 4: do it, like just streamline the process and be honest

1194
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 4: about it and stop like allowing these companies to poke

1195
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 4: different holes based on their privileges and their lobbying carveouts

1196
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 4: and all of that. So honestly, if we're going to

1197
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 4: have the system, whatever, five million dollar gold cards might

1198
01:01:59,400 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 4: as well.

1199
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: But we don't like people that become poor after they're rich,

1200
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: So shouldn't we charge them like a million a year?

1201
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: Keep it going, keep it going, And if you can't

1202
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: pay your million a year, then we're stripping that gold

1203
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: card from you. More of a subscription than like a

1204
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: country club. Like it's a big upfront fee, but it's

1205
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: not like you pay your upfront fee to the club.

1206
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you wouldn't do that for mar A Lago,

1207
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: And so it's good. It's not good enough for mar

1208
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: A Lago. Don it's not good enough for the United

1209
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: States of America country club membership. Here, big upfront fee

1210
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: and then then an annual membership on top of That's the.

1211
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 4: Problem with that is you get to the renters versus

1212
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 4: owner's dilemma, which is serious. You don't want to have.

1213
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: These people are renters. We could, we can. It's safe

1214
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: to be xenophobic. Now Trump one vibe.

1215
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 4: Shift ye, Well yeah, ideally you want people to invest

1216
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 4: the long term health.

1217
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: Right A million a year. Yeah, but that's it just

1218
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: went up to two.

1219
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 5: You're doing the wall.

1220
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 4: Well, just got ten b there too. Now, well, we'll

1221
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 4: see how this goes. This is like one of those

1222
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 4: Trump ideas that he says and then you don't know

1223
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 4: if it will actually happen. But now in his second term,

1224
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 4: everything he says seems to actually be happening. So be

1225
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 4: on the lookout for the gold card. Maybe you could

1226
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 4: do it. Will you want a style.

1227
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: I think you would need legislation because EB five is

1228
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: legislatively constructed.

1229
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 4: Yes we've said that many times in the last month.

1230
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: But do your legislation. Like this is the thing like

1231
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: people like, oh, stop stop, stop saying you need Congress

1232
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: to do all this stuff. It's like, guys, you control

1233
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: both houses, you have Congress. Just do it.

1234
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 4: They're lazy, Just do it.

1235
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 5: Well.

1236
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 4: Some of this is intentionally testing executive power, Like some

1237
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 4: of this they actually want it to be. You want

1238
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 4: to prove that it should be the executives authority to

1239
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 4: do X, y and z. But some of it they're

1240
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 4: not trying to make a point, so they might as

1241
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 4: well just fold it into the.

1242
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: Reconcisation's with the CFPB gutting in the crudred percent parliamentarian

1243
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: be just fine with that.

1244
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 4: See all right, let's move on to the awful reporting

1245
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 4: that you guys have up at drop set.

1246
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 5: It's not awful reporting.

1247
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 4: It's reporting on something awful I should be clear about.

1248
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 4: Out of Damascus, Ryan, what can you tell us.

1249
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: You can put up this uh this d D one here.

1250
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: So Tuesday evening, Israel launched air strikes around around Damascus

1251
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: after a day earlier net Nyah who came out and

1252
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,439
Speaker 1: claimed that you can put up D two here. Here's

1253
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: a drop drop site piece by Martazo saying all the units,

1254
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: I can put a link down there and people can

1255
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: go read it. So yesterday or Monday, net Yah who

1256
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: said southern Syria is now off limits for the Syrian government.

1257
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: It is they and net Yahoo referred to it, and

1258
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: so did Defense min Or Israel Cats who confirmed that

1259
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: Israel was the one that carried out these air strikes

1260
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: as a security zone quote unquote security zone. So this

1261
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: is a the facto annex station of Syrian territory way

1262
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: north of the Golan Heights, effectively saying anything south of

1263
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: Damascus is a no go zone for the Syrian government.

1264
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: This is a heavily Druze community. The Drews are a

1265
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: significant element of Israeli kind of pluralistic propaganda, where they

1266
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: will point to the Drews and say, look, you call

1267
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: us an ethno state, but here are the Drus who

1268
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: are living here in Israel and they have equal rights.

1269
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: And you'll have a lot of Drews who will say,

1270
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: we don't actually have equal rights, so you don't treat

1271
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: us as equal sitis, but we do get treated better

1272
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: than Palestinians. And then there's a whole hierarchy. There's the

1273
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: Palestinian who's a citizen of Israel, and there's the Palestinian

1274
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: who lives in different areas of West Bank. Palestinians, then

1275
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: further who live in different areas of West Bank, and

1276
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: then all the way at the bottom Palestinians who live

1277
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: in Gaza and have effectively zero rights, including the right

1278
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: to life. And so the Syrian government has truly bent

1279
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:09,439
Speaker 1: over backwards to convey to Israel and to the United States,

1280
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: Europe and everybody else that they want no peace of

1281
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: this Axis of resistance. That Assad was a member of

1282
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: this access of resistance. I want a dubious reliability, but

1283
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: a member. Nonetheless, they overthrew a sod and they have

1284
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: said that they do not want any of the smoke,

1285
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: and you can't handle any of it. They're completely destroyed,

1286
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: and immediately upon taking power, Israel bombed all of their

1287
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: military bases, destroyed all their planes, all their anti aircraft, like,

1288
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: they completely wiped out any capacity for this new state

1289
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: to actually defend itself. They are an offshoot of al Qaeda,

1290
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: at which people love to point out has bombed everyone

1291
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: you can think of, going after everybody you can think of,

1292
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: except Israel. So there's never in this like al Qaeda

1293
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: Israel hostility. All of this was done in the vain

1294
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: hope of appeasing Israel, that Israel would say, finally we've

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Speaker 1: gotten rid of the Assad family, which has been our

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Speaker 1: enemy and and has refused to reach you know, full

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Speaker 1: agreement with us, even though they did reach, you know,

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Speaker 1: various different deals that are in place, and so finally

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Speaker 1: we can now have a neighbor that we can coexist with.

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Speaker 1: That there was that there was hope that Israel would

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Speaker 1: see it that way. Israel does not see it that way.

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Speaker 1: Israel sees it as an opportunity to expand the land

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Speaker 1: that it controls. Continuing with this very confusing thing where

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Speaker 1: on the one hand, this Israel has a right to exist,

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Speaker 1: on the other hand, refusing to ever define where the

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Speaker 1: borders of Israel end. Because if it has a right

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Speaker 1: to exist but it doesn't ever define where its borders are,

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Speaker 1: then does it have a right to exist in southern

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Speaker 1: Syria and the southern Syria now Israel, Southern Lebanon now Israel. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: there's a a you know, mass invasion of the West

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Speaker 1: Bank underway, which we can talk about in a second.

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Speaker 1: But so this is putting pressure on the Syrian government.

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Speaker 1: We can put up C three. So the these are

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Speaker 1: protesters marching marching through Damascus.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: They are. They are chanting in Arabic, but the translation

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Speaker 1: is Oba loved jilani bomm tel aviv Uh. This is

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Speaker 1: and this is indicative of the public pressure that the

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Speaker 1: head of Syria is under from the Syrian public to

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Speaker 1: stop just rolling over for Israel. But it's not really

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Speaker 1: up to him, and you can read the piece by

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Speaker 1: Martazan Ali. They don't have the capacity to do anything

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Speaker 1: against you know, they're they're still they're still fighting there,

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Speaker 1: you know, with some you know, gangster elements of the

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Speaker 1: assadig that are still around as basically you know, meth

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Speaker 1: meth traffickers of Captagon traffickers. So the idea that they're

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Speaker 1: going to take on Israel with any with any seriousness

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Speaker 1: is a fantasy. The real concern that that Israel has,

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Speaker 1: and this is talked about in the story as well,

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Speaker 1: is that Turkey is the backer of this news Herian

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Speaker 1: government and Israel is worried that Turkey is going to

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Speaker 1: use the foothold in Syria to begin flexing muscles, and

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Speaker 1: which is plausible. Yeah, it is plausible, and to re

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Speaker 1: become the great power in the region because.

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Speaker 4: They've indicated that.

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Speaker 1: And also like this period from nineteen seventeen would follow

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Speaker 1: follow the Empire until today is the anomaly in world history.

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Speaker 1: You know, for more than two thousand years you had

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Speaker 1: two empires that controlled the entire Middle East, the Byzantine

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Speaker 1: Empire and then the Ottoman Empire two. Like that's an

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Speaker 1: enormous amount of stability going back to BC. And so

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Speaker 1: you can imagine, like, so nationalism was kind of forced

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Speaker 1: on this region after World War One in a fake

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Speaker 1: way where there weren't really random random borders and fake

1345
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: made up nationalities with people deliberately pitted against each other

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Speaker 1: so that the West could keep them poor and struggling

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Speaker 1: and extract their resources. If we actually cared about reducing

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Speaker 1: the amount of conflict in the region, you'd probably go

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Speaker 1: back to everybody, you know, unified under some type of government.

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Speaker 1: This was the dream that kicked around as the kind

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Speaker 1: of pan Arab socialist movement which said we're not Iraqis

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Speaker 1: and Runians and Turks and Syrians and you know, we're

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Speaker 1: all Arabs and Persians and we're all in this area together. Now,

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Speaker 1: Turkey has a different idea back in the back of

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Speaker 1: Ridiwan's mind where he's gonna say, well, how about we

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Speaker 1: just bring back the Ottoman Empire m h. And then

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Speaker 1: Israel's like, well, wait a minute, where do we where

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Speaker 1: do we fit into that?

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Speaker 4: That's off some red flags?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hold on, because this whole area over here of

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Speaker 1: Palestine when it was in the Ottoman Empire was not

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Speaker 1: an independent country called.

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Speaker 4: Israel, And what do we know about So both hag

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Speaker 4: Seth and Rubio, what can we assume or how can

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Speaker 4: we assume they'll handle Israel's move here?

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Speaker 1: Essentially, you know Ruby Ruby, Well, Rubio is an interesting

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Speaker 1: case because he is completely hemmed in and has no

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Speaker 1: basically no authority left and doesn't even seem like I

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Speaker 1: was for a minute complaining that the State Department wasn't

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Speaker 1: having daily briefings. I'm like, why would I want to

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Speaker 1: go to a State Department daily briefing as if they

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Speaker 1: have anything to share with us, which would imply that

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Speaker 1: they know what's going going off. They have no idea

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Speaker 1: they're learning from us what's going on Rubio.

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Speaker 4: Because Trump calls the shots in a way that Biden

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Speaker 4: didn't like. The Trump right, the Trump presidency calls the

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Speaker 4: shots in foreign affairs in a way that Biden really

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Speaker 4: let blink in call the shots. Yeah, very different.

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Speaker 1: Rubio, in my this is my forecast got played in

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Speaker 1: the most hysterical fashion. Like Trump plucked him out of

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Speaker 1: the Senate so he can make his daughter a senator

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Speaker 1: from Florida. And the second that she is a senator

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Speaker 1: from Florida. Not the second, but give it forty five days,

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Speaker 1: Rubio will be fired as Secretary of State, so he

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Speaker 1: will have lost the Senate seat.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Trump seems very happy with Rubio so far, because.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as long as Rubio keeps kissing his butt.

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Speaker 4: But Rubio also like plays the role like Trump. We

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01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 4: know that Trump sees these literally as casting decisions, and

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Speaker 4: Rubio has really he keeps playing.

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Speaker 1: His role, then he can stay in that role. So

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Speaker 1: I think the US is just going to be as

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Speaker 1: they have been for you know. Ever, just let Israel,

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Speaker 1: you know, is Reel said it would withdraw from southern

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Speaker 1: Lebanon as part of the ceasefire deal that we negotiated

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Speaker 1: the time for that expired and they said they're not

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Speaker 1: really going to do that. Uh, and they then, you know,

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Speaker 1: go invade and bomb Syria. And right now they are

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Speaker 1: launching that. They've sent tanks and a major military incursion

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Speaker 1: into into Janine until Karum really trying to wrestle full

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Speaker 1: control of the of the West Bank, displacing tens of

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Speaker 1: thousands of people, seizing homes, seizing entire you know, villages

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Speaker 1: and cities, and uh, you know, in the direction of

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Speaker 1: complete annexation of the of the West Bank. So they're

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're going for it.

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Speaker 5: Seeback pastor resolution.

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Speaker 4: What was that annexation of the border in Samaria for it? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so we'll see it.

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Speaker 1: But I see packed away in on another country, like

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Speaker 1: just getting to annex territory.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I just say that because it's it's an

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Speaker 4: interesting indication of where the people who are pressuring the

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Speaker 4: Trump administration are right now, Like they didn't even really

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Speaker 4: have to do, like they didn't have to talk about that,

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Speaker 4: but it's a priority.

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Speaker 1: So look, Israel has unlimited weapons from the United States,

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Speaker 1: and it has the military capacity to throw throw people

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Speaker 1: out of their homes and seize more land. It's twenty

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01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: twenty five, and they're going to do that, So I

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Speaker 1: guess I hope, I hope that they're proud of themselves.

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Speaker 4: Well, Trump obviously is not the ideologue that Mike Huckabee

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Speaker 4: has ambassador to israel Is and the people who Huckabye

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01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 4: represents ideologically, which is a big chunk of professional Republican politics.

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Speaker 4: But Trump has, you know, did the ceasefire, for example,

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Speaker 4: as Biden was leaving office, helped the ceasefire, sent Steve

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Speaker 4: Whitkoff to aid Blincoln in the ceasefire agreement, to the

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Speaker 4: chagrin of the Hakapies of the world.

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Speaker 5: So it's not as though they're fully in control.

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01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 4: Trump, you know, will push back when he thinks it's

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01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 4: detrimental to his goal of looking like the peacemaker in chief,

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01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 4: as we hear the White House repeatedly refer to him too,

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01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 4: but not always, so that'll be interesting when to watch

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Speaker 4: for sure.

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Speaker 1: I asked some people close to Trump what this exact question, like,

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01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: what is Trump going to do about these efforts by

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01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: then Yahoo to continue to expand territory and also to

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01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: looks like he's trying to blow up the ceasefire and

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Speaker 1: Gaza and they said, Look, wick Cough is very committed

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01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: to making sure the ceasefire holds and that phase two

1441
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: is completed. But Trump is not focused on it. Trump

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Speaker 1: is focused on Ukraine and getting and getting a deal there. Interesting,

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01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 1: that's that, that's where his attention is. So let's let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the progress, you know, toward toward that. And

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Speaker 1: we can put this next element of the scream of

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Speaker 1: the New York Times. US and Ukraine agree to minerals

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Speaker 1: deal official say, And so to back up here, the

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Speaker 1: Treasury Secretary went to Ukraine offered this deal like, hey, look,

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Speaker 1: we will actually not you're not going to promise that

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Speaker 1: we're going to do anything, but we will, you know,

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01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: invest in some kind of resource extraction and in exchange

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Speaker 1: for that, you give US five hundred billion dollars worth

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01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: of rare minerals plus basically control over oil and gas

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01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: in your ports. And Zelenski then leaked that to the

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01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: lawmakers who came to visit, slammed it in the press,

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01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: said he wasn't going to do it. Trump responded by

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Speaker 1: calling him, you know, a tinpot dictator and say and

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01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: then saying that it was actually Ukraine that provoked the

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01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: war and now siding in the UN with Russia against

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Speaker 1: a resolution that what condemned Russia for the invasion, right,

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Speaker 1: basically adopting the argument that it was Ukraine's provocations which

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Speaker 1: were real, not Ukraine's provocations. That's actually kind of to back.

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Speaker 1: So they are mostly US provocations and NATO provocations. There

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Speaker 1: were Ukraine provocations of course, like the Maidan ku in

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, the far right seizing power there, banning the

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Speaker 1: Russian language in the east. So then you get this

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Speaker 1: civil war over in the east. You get Zelenski elected

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Speaker 1: on a promise that he's going to reach a peace

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Speaker 1: deal Donetsk and the rest of the eastern Ukraine. He

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Speaker 1: comes under enormous pressure from the ultra right, and instead

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Speaker 1: of that, he kind of ramps up the war in

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Speaker 1: the east. And then Russia sends its actual troops instead

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Speaker 1: of just its proxies into Ukraine. And so you can

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Speaker 1: see how there's responsibility on both sides. But Trump very

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01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: clearly angered by this rejection. It's like, actually, this is

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01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: all Ukraine that started this war anyway, and so now

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Speaker 1: Ukraine has come back and said, okay, well we'll agree

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Speaker 1: to the deal, but we're not doing this five hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollar thing we will create, they said, they'll create

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Speaker 1: a pot or fifty percent of the revenues from the

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Speaker 1: extracting of the of the rare earth minerals will go

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Speaker 1: into a fund that will be used to redevelop Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: But then we get all the rarests. So that's the

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Speaker 1: that's the deal.

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Well, I think it's actually pretty

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Speaker 4: significant as a if it holds, which it may or

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Speaker 4: may not because there's so much there's still a lot

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Speaker 4: of moving parts. But if it holds, I think it's

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Speaker 4: a pretty significant notch in the Trump foreign policy wins column,

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Speaker 4: just because there was mass hysteria. First it was kicked

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01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 4: off with the jd Vance speech in Munich, but then

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01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 4: Trump's various provocations towards Zolensky over the course of the

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Speaker 4: last week, which he said even like I had Victor

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01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 4: Davis Hansen on my show yesterday and he was saying,

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Speaker 4: or today and he was saying, you know, some of

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Speaker 4: the stuff is actually crazy, Like some of what Trump

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01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 4: is saying is it's wrong, and it's counterintuitive to what

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Speaker 4: he's actually said himself about Putin.

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Speaker 1: Starting the war like it.

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Speaker 4: Which is why it's very obviously hardball, It's very obviously.

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Speaker 1: Part of argument is that Putin would have done.

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Speaker 4: It if Trump was there, exactly solicited.

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Speaker 1: In that as im Putin did it.

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Speaker 5: Wait, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: So that's that's where like some of this hysteria I

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Speaker 4: feel like from the media and European leaders has not

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01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 4: been It's just it's lacks all of this context about

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01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 4: how Donald Trump negotiates, which is that even some people

1509
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 4: in like America versus Mago world were concerned that he

1510
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 4: was talking so tough about Putin after he won the election,

1511
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 4: and they're like, oh, great, Trump's been overcome by the neocons,

1512
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 4: and we should know by now that this is literally

1513
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 4: just how Donald Trump negotiates. Over and over again. He

1514
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 4: does the same thing. His position on Ukraine is actually

1515
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 4: one of the most interesting, which is that he would

1516
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 4: say all kinds of nice things about Vladimir Putin in

1517
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, whatever, and then he

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01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,600
Speaker 4: was the one who was arming Ukraine more than Obama.

1519
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 4: And so it's clearly what he does publicly, what he

1520
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 4: says in his conversations with other world leaders is always

1521
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 4: like you can't connect it to the policy decisions that

1522
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 4: he's making or may make, because he's just doing the

1523
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 4: psychological it's his psychological attempt at manipulation, manipulation, manipulating other

1524
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 4: world leaders into getting deals. He acts like a he's

1525
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 4: in the middle of a business transaction. He's trying to

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01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 4: get the property rights to someplace he wants to build

1527
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 4: up in Manhattan, like he's just trying to flatter people,

1528
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 4: or he's trying to piss people off to bring them

1529
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 4: to the table. And in this case it seems to

1530
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 4: have actually worked. It seems as though Zelenski and people

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01:20:57,920 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 4: who are pro Ukraine, who are saying Donal Trump is

1532
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 4: so awful, have actually come to the table to haven't

1533
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 4: seen the United States is backsliding into authoritarianism by siding

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01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 4: with Putin. It's like, okay, you just cut a deal

1535
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 4: with it. Like obviously his leverage, his attempt to create

1536
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 4: leverage here was successful. So that all of that is

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01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,719
Speaker 4: to say, like the last couple of weeks of coverage

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01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 4: of Donald Trump's negotiations in Ukraine, I think got the

1539
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 4: situation woefully wrong, and this is just proof that he

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01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 4: was negotiating. But I think it was clear all along

1541
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 4: that he was negotiating.

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Speaker 1: Well, so let's hear from Trump himself, who is asked,

1543
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, what does Ukraine get out of this? Let's

1544
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 1: roll this.

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01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 6: What does Ukraine get in charge?

1546
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,839
Speaker 10: Three hundred and fifty billion dollars and lots of equipment

1547
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 10: and military equipment and the right to fight on and

1548
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 10: originally the right to fight. Look, Ukraine, I will say,

1549
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 10: they're very brave and they're good soldiers. But without the

1550
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 10: United States and it's money and it's military equipment, this

1551
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 10: war would have been over in a very short period

1552
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Speaker 10: of time.

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01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, related to this, by the way, did you see

1554
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:13,560
Speaker 1: the news that Congo, which is facing this massive insurgency

1555
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: Rwanda back to insurgency, reached out to the US and said,

1556
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: you like rare earths, we have tons, We'll give them

1557
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: to you if you will sanction Rwanda for supporting the

1558
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: M twenty three insurgents. Here like taking us from the

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01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: global police to the global mercenary mercenaries.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and by the way, a fairly brilliant approach to

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01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 4: negotiating with Donalds. Yeah, like that's we were just talking

1562
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 4: about the gold cards. Yeah, just like it's transactional naked

1563
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 4: mercenary in this sense, literally mercenary, but you know, he

1564
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 4: is sort of like figuratively mercenary in many other senses.

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01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 4: So Trump is not the only one capable of doing

1566
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 4: successful Trump negotiations. So we'll see how that goes.

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Speaker 1: And so Steve Bannon was asked about Trump's minerals deal

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01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: by our old friend Michael Tracy at Sea Pac. Let's roll, Bannon.

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Speaker 14: My advice is, walk the fuck away. I want to

1570
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 14: walk away so hard. I'm even prepared to say, Okay,

1571
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 14: maybe we don't even investigate, which I think we have to,

1572
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,879
Speaker 14: but we have to walk away. I don't want their minerals. Okay,

1573
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 14: there's enough minerals in the rest of the world. What's

1574
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 14: the reasoning behind this proposal?

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01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 4: Then?

1576
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 14: Why? I think President Trump looks at a rack and

1577
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 14: looks at the other places in Afghanistan, and I think,

1578
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 14: as the deal guy is sitting there, going look, remember

1579
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 14: in Iraq, in Afghanistan then didn't take the oil the

1580
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 14: net President already didn't take the minerals in Afghanistan. The

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01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 14: net present value of our expedition it was nine trillion dollars.

1582
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 14: Think of what this country would be like that if

1583
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 14: the last twenty years we spend nine trillion dollars in

1584
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 14: rebuilding America, the factories. Who would have What would Detroit

1585
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 14: be like? What would Saint Louis be like? What would

1586
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 14: Baltimore be like? What would the Great Seas of the

1587
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 14: East be like? What would Detroit be like? If we

1588
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 14: spent nine nine trillion dollars on American citizens on the

1589
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 14: soil of the United States of America, this would be

1590
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:06,839
Speaker 14: a paradise.

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Speaker 4: We didn't.

1592
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 14: We pissed it away and let people steal it, and

1593
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,719
Speaker 14: so many people dead, and countries ruin and culture's ruined,

1594
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 14: and the Christians eviscerated for nine trillion dollars. I think

1595
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 14: it says in President Drummers says, Look, if these guys

1596
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 14: did it, what we should do is at least get

1597
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 14: something for it.

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Speaker 17: I mean, that's the way he exchanged for a security guarantee, though,

1599
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 17: which could necessitate or require some kind of US military action.

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01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 17: In fact speak of World War two. It reminds me

1601
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 17: of the British, arguably very foolishly extending Poland to so

1602
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 17: called security guarantee that they didn't have the ability to

1603
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 17: even uphold, and then World War two gets declared once

1604
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 17: Hitler goes into Poland. Now that's a very extreme scenario,

1605
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 17: but a security guarantee. I mean, those don't have a

1606
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 17: great record throughout history.

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01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 14: No, very few people understand that the reason that World

1608
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 14: War Two, which had been building in the same kind

1609
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 14: of way this is triggered in September nineteen thirty nine

1610
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 14: is because the Germans knew it, and the Germans also

1611
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 14: knew that the French and the British couldn't stand up

1612
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 14: to it, and that would give him every pretext roll

1613
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 14: across Western Europe.

1614
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 4: Just two bros talking about World War Two on the

1615
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:10,799
Speaker 4: floor of Seapack. I saw Tracy walking in the Seapac.

1616
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,679
Speaker 4: I was interviewing someone outside of Seapack. I saw Tracy

1617
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 4: walking and I was.

1618
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: Like, oh boy, to get some videos.

1619
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 4: Here it goes. And so this was obviously Bannon. This

1620
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 4: was taped with Bannon. I want to say, this is Friday,

1621
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 4: Thursday or Friday, so way before the news came out,

1622
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 4: just in the last twelve or so hours that Trump

1623
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 4: had successfully negotiated this deal. So it'd be interesting to

1624
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 4: see what Bannon says now that Zelenski is giving apparently

1625
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 4: the mineral rise.

1626
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: To say that it's successfully negotiated and it's like we'll see, well,

1627
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 1: we'll see, but obviously he got into a gree paper

1628
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 1: getting passed back and forth.

1629
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 4: But even like in yes, but even in to even.

1630
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 1: Have what they're saying they have is an open question.

1631
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 1: And it to Bannon's point, there's.

1632
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 4: Minerals everywhere, like in Russia, even as Putin well and

1633
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 4: in contested regions as well as Putin talked about the

1634
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 4: Domboss recently. And your point about the Congo is a

1635
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 4: good one. But no, I mean, even even in theory

1636
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 4: getting Zelensky, I shouldn't even say in theory, but like

1637
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 4: in practice gains Lensky to say, sure, after all the

1638
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 4: hemming and hung in the last week looks like a

1639
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 4: big Maga victory. And so does Steve Bannon say great,

1640
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 4: like this was well done by Trump, or does he

1641
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 4: say I don't want the minerals. I think it's actually

1642
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 4: pretty interesting because it's a contrast with the usai D

1643
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 4: draw down, and your point about US becoming the placement

1644
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:30,600
Speaker 4: of the world versus the mercenary of the world is

1645
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,839
Speaker 4: a really interesting one because some people in the usai

1646
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 4: D debate, like you actually sort of saw this play

1647
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 4: out when Mike Ben's went on Tucker Carlson Show, and

1648
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 4: Ben's was saying he was worried that a lot of

1649
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 4: MAGO world doesn't want to be precise and sort of

1650
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 4: take a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer to a lot

1651
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:49,600
Speaker 4: of usai D in realizing that some of this is beneficial,

1652
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 4: like the empire is beneficial, And Tucker Carlson's was sort

1653
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:54,679
Speaker 4: of like, I don't know, I'm kind of done.

1654
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: With all of it.

1655
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 4: And that's a pretty interesting tension that we see play

1656
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 4: out here. If you want the US to stop quote

1657
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 4: economically colonizing the world, this mineral deal feels like an

1658
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 4: extension of economic colonization to it. It sort of feels

1659
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 4: like Barisma as a matter of fact, except this was

1660
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 4: more nakedly transactional than Barisma usaid and all of that.

1661
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 4: So I think that's one of the trend lines actually

1662
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 4: to watch over the next couple of years is how

1663
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 4: Mega handles the question of economic colonization and empire right, and.

1664
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll just eventually work their way right back to

1665
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 1: creating a new usai D soft power instrument, right, but

1666
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: just different. Yeah, And also one last part on that

1667
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: classic Steve Bannon riff, like he's on Afghanistan, Like I think,

1668
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 1: like he's just he's just nailing every piece of it.

1669
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: And then he throws in and all these Christians got killed.

1670
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 1: It's like, where did that come from? Like I thought

1671
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: the whole idea of Christianity was that we're all created

1672
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,799
Speaker 1: by the Creator and like all equal in his eyes.

1673
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: So why does he have to emphasize that it's Christians

1674
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: there were Christians that were killed to like try to

1675
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 1: land the idea that people getting killed in war is

1676
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 1: a bad thing. Doesn't it also suck that when a

1677
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 1: Muslim gets killed?

1678
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course right, I mean so.

1679
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: It's just like I always seeing that from Bandonits like

1680
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, agree, and then whoop and yes,

1681
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: I don't like when Christians get killed either, but also

1682
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 1: don't like when atheists or Hindus or Jews or Muslims

1683
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: or anybody gets killed.

1684
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 4: No, there's a charitable reading of that though, which is

1685
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 4: he's trying to appeal to conservatives who do see these

1686
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 4: regions as categorically like radical.

1687
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: Islam, appealing to the baser instincts.

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01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 4: I don't think it hasn't necessarily be xenophobic. I think

1689
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 4: it's I think there is an instinct, like, especially after

1690
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 4: nine to eleven, for people to say everyone there's like radical.

1691
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: I guess a reverse version that the left would do

1692
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 1: is to say, hey, look, these medicaid cuts are going

1693
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: to hurt trans No, no, they're going to hurt poor

1694
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 1: white people trying to appeal yeah a mega.

1695
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 4: Person absolutely, yeah, I mean.

1696
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 1: Rather than making more universal argument.

1697
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 4: Right, right, But I think the left also does it

1698
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 4: in its own way.

1699
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 1: Because when they're appealing to their to the left yet.

1700
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't think it necessarily has to be

1701
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 4: xenophobics as much as it's just I it could be,

1702
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 4: But I also think it could be, like there are

1703
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 4: a lot of people who don't. I actually think a

1704
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 4: lot of people, like for example, in the West Bank,

1705
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:36,679
Speaker 4: genuinely don't understand how significant those ancient Christian communities are.

1706
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, where's Jesus from.

1707
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 4: It's a good point.

1708
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: So let's let's move on to the scandal of a

1709
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:48,759
Speaker 1: Republican congressman getting getting out of a domestic violence charge.

1710
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:55,520
Speaker 4: It's awful story. We have an update in the unfolding

1711
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 4: saga of congressmen Republican Congressman Corey Mills, who is facing

1712
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 4: a SA allegations, serious assault allegations, and this is a

1713
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 4: really complicated story. It brings in the interim DC Attorney

1714
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 4: General Acting Attorney General Ed Martin, who's a pretty interesting

1715
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 4: character from Maga World. So I'm gonna bear with me

1716
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 4: as we go through the details. Is we don't want

1717
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 4: to get anything wrong on this. We want everybody to

1718
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 4: have the specifics of this story because it's a big

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Speaker 4: one and it's an interesting one. I'm reading from a

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Speaker 4: report in The Independent, which I think actually aggregated a

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Speaker 4: lot of the different parts of these allegations. So right now,

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Speaker 4: the police department has said this is an active criminal

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Speaker 4: investigation and there's no further information on the case to

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Speaker 4: provide at this time. But last Wednesday, Corey Mills is mistress.

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Speaker 4: He is married. This is a woman that is not

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Speaker 4: his wife. Twenty seven year old woman called the police

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Speaker 4: to his apartment in Washington, d C. To hold a

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Speaker 4: nine one one operator that she had been assaulted by

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Speaker 4: Corey Mills. Mills quote vehemently denies any wrongdoing what's song

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Speaker 4: and is confident any investigation will clear this matter quickly.

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Speaker 4: That's according to his office in a statement to the

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Speaker 4: Associated Press. Now Mills told Politico both myself and the

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Speaker 4: other individuals said what they had claimed took place and

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Speaker 4: never took place, and that's been reported multiple times. Now.

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Speaker 4: The Independent says a police report that it was provided

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Speaker 4: with describes the initial nine to one one call as

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Speaker 4: alleging a simple assault with hands or feet involving the mistress,

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Speaker 4: whose name is Sarah Radiani. She's the head of a

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01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 4: group called Iranians for Trump, as the victim in this case. Now,

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Speaker 4: a previous police report that NBC Washington got said that Mills,

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Speaker 4: who she's apparently been with for over a year, grabbed her,

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Speaker 4: shoved her and pushed her out of the door, which

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Speaker 4: left her with bruises, and then she let the police

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Speaker 4: listen in on a phone call between her and Corey Mills,

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Speaker 4: wherein he allegedly told her to quote lie about the

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Speaker 4: origin of the bruises. When police, according to the report,

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Speaker 4: encountered her, she was physically shaking and scared. Now, the

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Speaker 4: Independence says these are quote circumstances that would typically prompt

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Speaker 4: an immediate arrest of an alleged assailant. The Independent goes

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Speaker 4: on to say Raviani then recanted her claims, including about

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Speaker 4: the origin of the bruises when officers said Mills would

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Speaker 4: be placed under arrest. So when she was told that

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Speaker 4: Corey Mills, Congressman Corey Mills would be arrested, she recanted

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Speaker 4: his claims. People who have covered and worked with victims

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Speaker 4: of domestic violence know that that's a familiar pattern of

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Speaker 4: people who are victims of domestic violence. Unfortunately, that's it's

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Speaker 4: incredibly traumatic as a like emotional process to go through.

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Speaker 4: That can increase the pressures, and you know, it's enormously

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Speaker 4: difficult to judge people in those situations who are legitimate

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Speaker 4: victims of domestic violence. But obviously then and recanting the

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Speaker 4: claims takes away some credibility from the claims. Now Mills

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Speaker 4: has not been arrested, and this is interesting. Officers, as

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Speaker 4: the Independent says, quote initially classified the cause of family disturbant,

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Speaker 4: though after Commander's reviewed investigative materials, it was reclassified as

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Speaker 4: a domestic violent assault investigation. But Raviani now says that

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Speaker 4: there was no physical altercation at all. She was drinking

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Speaker 4: and sleep deprived and that explains why she made the allegations.

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Speaker 4: She says the bruises came during a recent trip to

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Speaker 4: Dubai and we're not from Corey Mills. Now Ed Martin,

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Speaker 4: who is the interim US Attorney for the District of Columbia, Columbia,

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Speaker 4: so here in DC is really hardcore maga ideologue. Trump

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Speaker 4: appointed him last month. He has The Florida Democratic Party

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Speaker 4: will add this from the Independent has accused Martin of

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Speaker 4: quote running cover ups for Republicans, but he is not

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Speaker 4: obviously not bringing He's not arresting Mills.

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Speaker 1: So far he has, yeah, he has paused the The

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Speaker 1: d C asked d C, which is not charged, right, DC,

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Speaker 1: which is not a state, asked Martin to sign off

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Speaker 1: on an arrest warrant for Mills and the Mills office,

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Speaker 1: uh not Mills office. Martin's office refused to do so

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01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 1: and said they want further investigation here. What's what's so

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01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 1: incredible here, it's it's not it's not unprecedent, but it's unusual.

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Speaker 1: They have him on witness tampering and obstruction of justice,

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Speaker 1: dead to rights because the police officers were there with

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Speaker 1: Mills on the phone, with Mills telling his girlfriend Rabbiani

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Speaker 1: to quote lie about the origin of for bruises. That's

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Speaker 1: witness tampering and obstruction of justice, like just even if

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Speaker 1: you don't have anything else, if you're hold to lie,

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Speaker 1: and also obviously.

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Speaker 4: And then you lie, then you change your story lie.

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Speaker 1: Then obviously if if you're being if he is telling

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01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 1: her to lie about the origins, that is also a

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Speaker 1: confession of where they actually came from. And also it

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Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense like she had According to the

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Speaker 1: police report, which was altered twice, the bruises to the

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Speaker 1: officers appeared to be fresh. Everybody in a jury would

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Speaker 1: know what a fresh bruise looks like, and you would

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Speaker 1: know what a bruise that you got in Dubai the

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Speaker 1: day before looks like. And so then when she comes

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Speaker 1: back and says, actually it came from somewhere else, not

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Speaker 1: what I originally said. After she told she showed that

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Speaker 1: she let the officers listen to the claim.

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Speaker 4: But what did they hear? That's the thing, like, we

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Speaker 4: don't even.

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Speaker 1: Know, right, I mean, they should tell a grand jury,

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Speaker 1: get an arrest warrant, but Martin is going to block that.

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01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 1: Martin is the guy who yesterday the day before tweeted,

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01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 1: I am the President. We are the President's legal team,

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Speaker 1: and we look forward to defending the president at all costs. No, what, No,

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Speaker 1: that's not what you are Well, it's.

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Speaker 4: Sort of true in a technical sense if you look

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Speaker 4: at what the role is like. In a technical sense,

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Speaker 4: if you are in that position, it is your job

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Speaker 4: to defend the executive branch and the constitution people versus Yeah. Right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: So there's like a technical world in which that's right.

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Speaker 4: The spirit of it, though, looks like from what he said,

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Speaker 4: it looks like, what's the best way to put it,

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Speaker 4: like special privileges to the president and then.

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Speaker 1: Also to his wife beating oh, fellow party members. Because

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01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 1: the key, as we talked about in day Block, they

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01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 1: passed this budget by the skin of their teeth if

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01:36:56,439 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 1: one vote had gone in an opposite direction. So so

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Speaker 1: does he.

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01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 4: Now bring charges after the budget resolution vote is over.

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Speaker 1: But they're going to need him again over and over.

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01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:07,639
Speaker 4: But they could replace him pretty easily.

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Speaker 1: Takes a while, and so then you're down to vote

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01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 1: for that stretch of time. So I would imagine they're

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01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:19,800
Speaker 1: going to just prop them up just because they want

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01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 1: to vote, just like they did with George Santos even

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01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 1: though they didn't want him there. He probably he said, look,

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Speaker 1: i'll vote. You have a tiny majority I'll vote your way,

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Speaker 1: just keep me out of prison as long as you can.

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Speaker 4: Well, actually they regret now most I mean I think

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01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 4: if you talk to most like Maga Hill Republicans, they

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01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 4: will say they actually regret getting rid of Santos when

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01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 4: they did, they could have actually used him.

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Speaker 1: One they got Swozy in there.

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01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 4: Well yeah, but also they feel like they could have

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01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 4: used him longer on votes and it would have been

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01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 4: more beneficial.

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Speaker 1: So this time, yeah, let's see. It's if there's any

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01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:56,639
Speaker 1: equitable justice at all, or if if you're in DC

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01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 1: and you're Republican, laws don't apply to you, and what

1845
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 1: Trump say, if you're if you're saving the country, you

1846
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:07,000
Speaker 1: violate no law. Who's people assume that just applied to Trump?

1847
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 1: Why would Trump not apply that same rationale to anybody

1848
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 1: who's going to vote with Trump to quote unquote save

1849
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 1: the country. Corey Mill is going to vote with Trump.

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01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 1: Corey Mills can violate no law.

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Speaker 4: It's actually a really good callback, an important callback. If

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01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 4: that's the mentality spreading in MAGA world, and there's again

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01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:32,759
Speaker 4: they will the charitable interpretation of it is you violate

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01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 4: no law if you are acting in the spirit of

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01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 4: the Constitution. And you're you eventually it's upheld right in

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01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 4: the court of law whatever. But that's definitely not that's

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01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 4: that's definitely not the the I would say best interpretation,

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01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:50,720
Speaker 4: or that's definitely not you can't just default to that

1859
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:55,680
Speaker 4: charitable interpretation in the case of Musk in particular reposting

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01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 4: that gleefully so especially we were talking about Bikelley early

1861
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:01,520
Speaker 4: in the show and all of that stuff. So anyway,

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Speaker 4: the last thing I want to say is it's rather

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01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 4: interesting that she is the head of a group called

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01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 4: the Iranians for Trump. That may or may not have

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01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:11,640
Speaker 4: anything to do with this, but it does add an

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Speaker 4: element of potential foreign questions that are raised, espionage questions

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01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 4: that can potentially be raised. But it also at this

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01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 4: point just looks like there's clearly enough evidence if they

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01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 4: have a police report where police are listening, the police

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01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 4: are involved in a call, so they should have a

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01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:32,759
Speaker 4: record of a call. They have testimony of the officers

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Speaker 4: who were listening to a call in which he instructed

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Speaker 4: her to lie, meaning those bruises were not from Dubai,

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Speaker 4: and then her story changes after the call. There seems

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01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:44,719
Speaker 4: to be plenty of evidence in that case to actually

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01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 4: bring charges. Now, maybe Ed Martin and the police department

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01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 4: knows something that we don't. That seems unlikely at this point.

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01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 4: It is always a possibility maybe they know something that

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01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 4: we don't. But at the same time, what we're seeing

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Speaker 4: also does look like a fairly tragic, conventional domestic abuse situation,

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01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 4: where you have a woman who is pressured and bullied

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01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:14,519
Speaker 4: out of holding to allegations that end up with her

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01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 4: significant other going being arrested. So it's not a typical

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Speaker 4: of how people who are experiencing that kind of trauma handle.

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Speaker 4: The situation just appears on his face to be a

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01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 4: really really sad story and one with political implications.

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Speaker 1: And also somebody who runs Runnians for Trump. Yes, it's

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01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 1: just interesting in itself.

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Speaker 4: It's a very interesting group.

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Speaker 1: Washington is Yeah, Yeah, Washington is filled with interesting people.

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Speaker 4: It sure is, sure is Ryan. I'm really looking forward

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Speaker 4: to the Friday edition of the show. I'm sad that

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01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 4: I can't stick around for it. But this is a

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01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:58,600
Speaker 4: huge interview. I mean, Wall Street should be eager to

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01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:01,439
Speaker 4: tune in to Fry It counterpoints Friday this week.

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Speaker 1: If you if you're a banker, plunk down your your

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01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 1: your premium subs, so you can watch this watch this

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01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:07,639
Speaker 1: one early.

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01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 4: Curious what his because so we had Doha Mechi on

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01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 4: last week. People should go watch that edition of the

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01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 4: Wednesday Show. But I'm curious what he makes of what

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01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 4: he thinks. Andrew Ferguson will continue to do in his

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01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:21,200
Speaker 4: role at the FTC because he should have some good

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01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 4: insight into the new Brandyceians, So the sort of progressive

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01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:30,559
Speaker 4: legal world and the maga legal world, the like new

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01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:37,559
Speaker 4: the conservative Yeah, the Conservatives, they mingle, they know each other.

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Speaker 4: So that's an interesting Uh. I wonder what he thinks

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01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:40,840
Speaker 4: about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the guy that Jamie Diamond called an

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01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 1: arrogant s O B and Mark Zuckerberg said is just

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Speaker 1: how to destroy America.

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Speaker 4: So we will see how he responds to that, because

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01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:52,599
Speaker 4: I know you're gonna ask him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, stick around, we'll see you on Friday