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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly john Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and House Speaker Johnson says there's no

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Speaker 1: path for a third Trump term.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow? Is he allowed to say that?

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today as

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Speaker 1: the world churns.

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Speaker 2: Andy Levy steps by to.

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Speaker 1: Talk about Trump's plan to distract and also to destroy America.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Senator Ed Markey about the government

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Speaker 1: shutdown and its costs to the American people.

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Speaker 2: But first we have the news.

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Speaker 3: So, Molly, we've now reached the reports on private calls

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Speaker 3: where there's unrest of the clockus because the Republicans are

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Speaker 3: starting to feel the pain of the shutdown. Do you

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Speaker 2: I didn't know they were allowed to disagree with Trump.

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Speaker 3: Many people are saying the tide is turning.

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Speaker 2: This is a new development.

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Speaker 1: Republicans who theoretically serve the voters and not President Donald J.

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Speaker 1: So there was a GOP conference call this afternoon. They

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Speaker 1: did this call because in case you're wondering, they are

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Speaker 1: not in session. That's right, they are out of session,

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Speaker 1: as they have been for almost a month. Of business

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Speaker 1: day is not in session. The calendar is empty. So

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Speaker 1: here we got Dan Crenshaw adding himself to a list

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Speaker 1: of growing lawmakers questioning whether or not they should be

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Speaker 1: to want to solve the government shutdown. So this shutdown.

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Speaker 1: Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the Congress. Now

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Speaker 1: they shut down the government because Democrats would not sign

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Speaker 1: off on what was happening with the Obamacare subsidies, which

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Speaker 1: of course, obviously I think they were right to do,

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Speaker 1: because the polling shows that people still blame the Republicans.

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Speaker 1: Republicans are saying they won't come to the table. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people are saying that the appropriators, the people

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Speaker 1: saying that Democrats shouldn't make a deal with Republicans because

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Speaker 1: as we saw in this really good piece that you

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Speaker 1: donald Trump believes that he is the Speaker of the

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Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter if you make it unique. You

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Speaker 1: thing about Trump, he changes his mind all the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of Trump changing his mind all the time.

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Speaker 3: Senator John Kennedy, person we know for playing dumb often.

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Speaker 2: Who has the best selling book right now? Did you

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Speaker 3: But I will say that I keep my literature to

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Speaker 3: really really appreciate it if Trump stopped to talk about

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Speaker 3: the filibuster and all these wacky things.

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Speaker 1: So John Kennedy, by the way, who sounds stupid but

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Speaker 1: Trump is repeatedly called on senators to end this tradition

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Speaker 1: like one of these Senate traditions. This is a way

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Speaker 2: Why is the Senate dysfunctional? But why?

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Speaker 1: It's certainly not because the president is holding them all hostage.

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Speaker 1: This is my favorite thing. He argued that Democrats should

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Speaker 3: So may We've done a lot of interviews with people

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Speaker 3: from the CFPB, and under previous rules, they stood up

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Speaker 3: states from like being medical debt from your credit report.

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Speaker 3: This would be another thing that is detrimental to the economy,

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Speaker 3: feels another one of those well sometimes we say the

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Speaker 3: Trump administrations shooting themselves in the foot. This feels like

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Speaker 2: But it's also just.

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Speaker 1: Like they obviously have some rich downer who's like, we

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Speaker 2: So we can make our money.

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Speaker 3: Well as well. They get higher interest rates when they

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Speaker 1: Right, but obviously that's the move here, Like what Trump World.

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Speaker 1: people drowning in debt. Those are voters, you assholes, like

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Speaker 1: these are voters. I'm sorry, they're voters. They will issue

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Speaker 1: credit rating. This is so fucked like this is. No

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Speaker 1: one voted for more medical debt. No one voted for

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Speaker 1: going to make things cheaper, and here's what he's doing,

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Speaker 2: Good work.

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Speaker 3: Nothing like having to pay off that medical debt instead

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Speaker 3: of putting it into local businesses and the economy and

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Speaker 3: bolster our economy. Great, great, great stuff.

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Speaker 2: Good work everyone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay, so here's an interesting one. It sounds like

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of actually shocked. This seems a little weird.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the thing like that I think

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Speaker 2: And like who should be fired?

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Speaker 1: Heg SATs should be fired, Cash, I live in Las

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Speaker 2: All these people should be fired.

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Speaker 1: You know, Christy, we spent one hundred and seventy five

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Speaker 1: million dollars on private planes. Like, these people all should

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Speaker 1: he knows firing people creates leaks, and firing people is

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Speaker 1: how he got that big wall. Remember Rachel Maddow's wall

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Speaker 1: But like it's so it's so incredibly clear that this

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Speaker 1: here's the question with this story, is did Stephen J. Hatfeld,

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Speaker 1: Robert F. Kennedy Junior. Do you think that he was

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Speaker 1: is an interesting quandary, right, and it's a little scary, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: here's an example. He's a one time Army biodefense researcher.

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Speaker 1: In a recent appearance on Steve Bannon's podcast, he asserted

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Speaker 1: without evidence that mRNA COVID shots are more dangerous than

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Speaker 1: he was accumulating data justifying mister Kennedy's decision to cancel

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Speaker 1: five hundred million dollars in contracts for RNA research. Now

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Speaker 1: all of this is true, right, We just saw reporting

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Speaker 1: that shows that mr and A Research is like this

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Speaker 1: fired because of that. I bet there's some other even stupid.

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Speaker 1: Always Andy Levy is a host of as the world churns.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to past politics.

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Speaker 1: Andy, I'm welt let's talk about how great everything is going.

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Speaker 1: Everything is going great, It's going great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I was. I was sitting here because

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Speaker 1: So we're in this government shutdown. We're almost a month

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Speaker 1: of like business days into the shutdown. Okay, Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: It's like people are like, stop talking about the East wing.

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Speaker 1: The east wing isn't where it is, no everything you have,

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Speaker 2: You have to focus on all the things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing is a distraction. Everything is happening. They are

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Speaker 4: the same reason. It's all in service of sort of

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Speaker 4: to I don't even know what they're latest whatever their

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent. And I was there to say I've

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Speaker 4: We are so much stronger now because we have We're

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Speaker 4: you know, his people are the ones that own Twitter.

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Speaker 4: His people are the ones that own the Washington Post, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and the list goes. His people are the ones who

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Speaker 4: now own Paramount and CBS and maybe soon we'll own

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Speaker 4: Warner Brothers and CNN. And so as long as he

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Speaker 4: helps those people and gives them the carrot, like he

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Speaker 4: has sort of figured out that there's that may be

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Speaker 4: all he has to do. Hopefully he's wrong about that,

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Speaker 4: but I think that in his mind, you know, that's

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Speaker 4: where the carrot is. It's not for us, Molly.

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Speaker 1: So the question is on Sunday, Zoran was in forest

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Speaker 1: Hills at lot at this like lovely stadium.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you've been there. It's a beautiful Forest Hills stadium.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Molly, I saw the band Asia there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what it's that?

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Speaker 4: That was a huge band heat of the moment back

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Speaker 4: in the day.

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Speaker 1: Come on, I don't know anything, but it was like

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Speaker 1: thirteen thousand people New York Mayor's race.

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Speaker 2: No one has ever.

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Speaker 1: Given a fuck about the New York Mayor's race. It's

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Speaker 1: likely no one ever will. Again, they were chanting tax

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Speaker 1: the rich. Now we have the richest cabinet ever in history,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's cabinet. Literally everyone there's like one person who's

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Speaker 1: one hundred millionaire.

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Speaker 2: That's the poorest person in the right, right.

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Speaker 1: You see any connection between these two things are now, well.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Molly, what do you think? Yeah, of

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Speaker 4: course there's a connection.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying I'm not seeing a lot

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Speaker 1: of people putting it together.

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Speaker 2: Sod no.

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Speaker 4: But look, and I'm you know, spitballing on the number here.

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Speaker 4: But if you figure there is like there seems to

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Speaker 4: be a solid twenty percent of the people who no

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Speaker 4: matter what Trump does, they love him and they think

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Speaker 4: he's doing it for them. There is the flip side

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Speaker 4: of that, which are the people. You know, first of all,

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Speaker 4: there were the people who have always said was it

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Speaker 4: tax the rich or fuck the rich or eat the

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Speaker 4: wrench or eat the rich. Well, there's a solid percentage

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Speaker 4: that have always said that. But I do think that's

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Speaker 4: spreading to more. I guess, for lack of a better word, normis,

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Speaker 4: you know, not not the people like us who force

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Speaker 4: feed this information into our brains every day to our

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Speaker 4: great detriment. But the people who actually have lives is

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Speaker 4: who I'm talking about here.

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Speaker 2: You have to.

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Speaker 1: Wonder if the largest transfer of wealth from the poor

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Speaker 1: to the rich, from the middle class to the rich,

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Speaker 1: this skinny Obamacare repeal and these cuts to Social Security,

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Speaker 1: medic Caid and also to various other things might have

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Speaker 1: something to do with this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, absolutely, Look, it's just too bad that Democrats

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Speaker 4: didn't have a candidate in twenty sixteen and you know

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty who was sort of saying things like these.

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Speaker 4: But enough about Bernie.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about this.

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Speaker 1: Populism is clearly popular and Americans are clearly very mad,

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Speaker 1: So one would think that Democrats might want to hear

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Speaker 1: the message of Zorin instead of fear the message of Zorin.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think most Democrats are not temperamentally suited

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Speaker 4: to that. And I think you know, You're You're Hakeem

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey is, your Chuck Schumer's is, and all those folks are.

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Speaker 4: They are as terrified of left wing populism as they

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Speaker 4: are of right wing populism, if not more so. Sometimes

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Speaker 4: it really does feel like it's more so. And you

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Speaker 4: see it when they occasionally try when Chuck Schumer posts

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Speaker 4: something on social media that's vaguely populist, it just reeks

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Speaker 4: of you know, Candra, Yeah, And it's just that's not

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Speaker 4: who he is, That's not who most of them are.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's unfortunate, and I think that's not

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Speaker 4: serving the Democrats very well in this age that we're in,

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Speaker 4: where as you said, there is so much anger. And

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Speaker 4: you know, the thing is, it's always the question of

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Speaker 4: who are you angry at. Are you angry at the

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Speaker 4: rich people who are paying no taxes and who are

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Speaker 4: paying really low salaries to the rest of the people,

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Speaker 4: if not eliminating their jobs completely, or are you mad

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Speaker 4: at the people who don't look like you? That's the

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Speaker 4: fundamental difference between left and right wing populism. I'm obviously

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Speaker 4: I'm simplifying things here, but you know, the right wing

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Speaker 4: populace are the ones who want all the immigrants gone

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Speaker 4: because they believe falsely that the immigrants are taking their jobs.

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Speaker 4: It is the fault of immigrants that their life hasn't

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Speaker 4: turned out the way they wanted to do. They never

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Speaker 4: sort of make that connection that, No, it's the fault

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Speaker 4: of the people in charge of the of the you know,

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Speaker 4: whether we want to call it an oligarchy or whatever,

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Speaker 4: but to me, that is the fundamental difference. And it

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Speaker 4: feels like there are times when the Democrats are more

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Speaker 4: comfortable with pandering to that group of people, whether it's

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Speaker 4: on the trans issues like we discussed, whether it's on immigration,

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Speaker 4: where the Democrats have always been at best republican light.

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Speaker 4: Kamala did not run an open borders campaign. Now she

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Speaker 4: ran up basically, let's do everything that you know we've

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Speaker 4: been doing, but maybe be a little a little nicer

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Speaker 4: about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little nicer. Andy Levy, will you come back.

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, yes, I had I had to hear from

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Speaker 4: my people.

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Speaker 1: Ed Markey is the junior senator from the state of Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: Senator Marking, welcome.

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Speaker 5: O great, agree with you.

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Speaker 2: So the government of shutdown.

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Speaker 1: When people hear this, it'll be day twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Talk us through.

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Speaker 1: This shutdown looks a little different than other shutdowns because

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Speaker 1: of the administration's refusal to fund snap benefits.

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Speaker 2: Talk us through what you're seeing in the Senate.

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Speaker 5: Well, again, the.

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Speaker 6: Senate now operates under the rules of Godfather the Poplin.

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Speaker 6: They've all been given an offer they can't refuse by

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Speaker 6: President Trump, and they've all been told not to do

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Speaker 6: anything without his express permission or Steven Millers, so their

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Speaker 6: perallel and by the way, they've all internalized the lesson

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Speaker 6: of Tom Tillis back when we were debating earlier this year,

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Speaker 6: when he said he would be concerned if the healthcare

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Speaker 6: cuts would harm rural hospitals in North Carolina, and twenty

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Speaker 6: four hours later he was told by Donald Trump he

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Speaker 6: could not run for reelection in twenty twenty six. So

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Speaker 6: the other Republicans have internalized this, and as a result,

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Speaker 6: there's no movement. Let's be honest. The House of Representatives,

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Speaker 6: led by Speaker Johnson, they've been out for five weeks.

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Speaker 6: They're in a national political Witness Protection Program. They're out

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Speaker 6: there somewhere. Well, they haven't come to the negotiating table,

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Speaker 6: and as a result, we can't talk about SNAP.

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Speaker 5: We can't talk about premium.

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Speaker 6: Tax cuts, benefits for healthcare policies in our country, Medicaid cuts,

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Speaker 6: we can't talk about anything because they're not here.

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Speaker 1: So we have the SNAP benefits issue. You guys are

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Speaker 1: still doing votes even though the House is out, So

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Speaker 1: what are you guys doing in the Senate.

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Speaker 6: We're using the platform that we have here to talk

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Speaker 6: about the fact. So, for example, a message use it's

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Speaker 6: one million people are going to lose their staff benefits

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Speaker 6: on November first. So in Massachusetts, for those one million people,

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Speaker 6: which is essentially about one sixth to one seventh of

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Speaker 6: our population, it's about one third or young, one third

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Speaker 6: or old, and one third of the same are going

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Speaker 6: to lose their supplemental nutrition benefit, which they need just

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Speaker 6: to not be hungry to stay alive. So that's one state, Massachusetts,

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Speaker 6: and the story is going to be true across the

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Speaker 6: rest of this country, and I think it's going to

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Speaker 6: ultimately wind up boomeranging on the Republicans. One that they

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Speaker 6: will legislate on this, but two that the President will

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Speaker 6: not use the five billion dollar fund that exists at

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Speaker 6: the Department of Agriculture to pay for staff benefits on

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Speaker 6: this Saturday and every Saturday after that in order to

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Speaker 6: make sure that people have the food which they need.

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Speaker 6: Trump will not use his power to use that five

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Speaker 6: billion dollar reserve fund. So we have a very very

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Speaker 6: real problem, and we are taking votes here as Democrats.

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Speaker 6: We're talking to the people across our states and across

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Speaker 6: the country about what the Republicans are doing. And as

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Speaker 6: each day goes by, I think it's a bigger political

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Speaker 6: catastrophe for the Republicans than they have experienced in years,

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Speaker 6: and it's only going to grow in its intensity.

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Speaker 1: What are you hearing on the ground, Like, when you

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Speaker 1: talk to people, what are they saying? It seems as

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Speaker 1: if voters are furious, But I've seen that some places

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Speaker 1: and not other places.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what are you seeing? What are you hearing?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 6: In Massachusetts, we just had one hundred thousand people at

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Speaker 6: a No King's rally on Boston Common, and Elizabeth Lawre

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Speaker 6: and I we stood next to each other and we

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Speaker 6: talked to those people on the Boston Common and they

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Speaker 6: are furious. They're up in arms. The American Revolution started

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Speaker 6: right there two hundred and fifty years ago, and these

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Speaker 6: are ladder day revolutionaries, following upon the actions of those

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Speaker 6: minute men and minute women and on the world to

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Speaker 6: the abolitionists of the suffragette movement, the civil rights movement,

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Speaker 6: the same sex marriage movement, the universal healthcare movement, all

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Speaker 6: of which began in Massachusetts. So we're up, and people

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Speaker 6: are angry, they're mobilized. There were another thirty or so

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Speaker 6: rallies across the strait, across the state on that day.

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Speaker 6: I spoke to three thousand people on the election in

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Speaker 6: Green where the American Revolution began, with a shot grind

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Speaker 6: round the world was fired, And that's what happened in Massachusetts.

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Speaker 6: There was a shot that was fired in order to

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Speaker 6: raise people's voices to protect democracy and to protect all

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Speaker 6: the programs that have been passed in a democratic fashion,

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Speaker 6: to protect all American families.

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Speaker 5: So we're up.

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Speaker 6: We think that with the example for the rest of

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Speaker 6: the country. And I also think it's a preview of

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Speaker 6: coming attractions for the Republicans next year at the ballot

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Speaker 6: box across our nation.

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Speaker 1: So I want you to talk about this movie that

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Speaker 1: is called The House of Dynamite. It's written by Noah Oppenheimer,

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Speaker 1: who comes from News World, and it's about the nuclear codes.

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Speaker 2: And you wrote about it in an op ed.

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Speaker 1: And I want you to explained to us why this

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Speaker 1: situation of having just one person who can destroy many

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Speaker 1: lives with the nuclear weapon, why this is something that

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Speaker 1: needs to be addressed well.

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Speaker 6: Congressman and Ted lu and I, we have legislation that

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Speaker 6: says that no president, no one person should have the

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Speaker 6: right to determine when the United States launches nuclear weapons

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Speaker 6: if we have not been attacked by nuclear weapons. And

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Speaker 6: it's a very important principle that we have to establish

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Speaker 6: in our country. Secondly, Congressman Lu and I, we were

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Speaker 6: actually successful last year in having our legislation adopted in

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Speaker 6: the Biden Defense Build which will prohibit the use of

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Speaker 6: AI to launch nuclear weapons. We have to continue to

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Speaker 6: move forward on those issues. But this movie also demonstrates

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Speaker 6: that the defense technologies which people think will work to

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Speaker 6: shoot down incoming nuclear weapons, they can destroy American cities.

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Speaker 6: There's no guarantee that it will work, and the movie

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Speaker 6: itself now makes that very very clear. As Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: is promising to build a golden dome over our country

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Speaker 6: to protect us against incoming nuclear weapons. But we know

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Speaker 6: that what will happen is the Chinese and the Russians

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Speaker 6: and others will just build more nuclear weapons to overcome

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Speaker 6: that golden shield that he wants to build, and the

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Speaker 6: world will only become more dangerous. So this movie by

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Speaker 6: Catherine Bigelow is really like a Cassandra like warning that

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Speaker 6: the only way to protect against a nuclear war is

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Speaker 6: through negotiations. It's through arms control, it's by countries working

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Speaker 6: together not to increase their arsenals, but to reduce their arsenals,

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Speaker 6: because otherwise we're just heading towards a catastrophic conclusion. And

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Speaker 6: the least that we should be able to say is

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Speaker 6: that we try, We really try to avoid a catastrophic

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Speaker 6: nuclear war on apples in it. And I just can't

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Speaker 6: tell you how great this movie is. And I can't

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Speaker 6: congratulate the writers, the producers and out for the work

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Speaker 6: which they did.

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Speaker 1: I want you to explain to us about the tariffs.

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Speaker 1: You guys signed this. It was like a legal brief

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Speaker 1: that's gone to the Supreme Court. All the Democratic senators

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Speaker 1: signed it. Trump probably does not have these emergency powers

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Speaker 1: he needs in order to get a sort of legal

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Speaker 1: approval for the tariffs. It probably doesn't matter because the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court is in the tank for him. But talk

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Speaker 1: us through what you guys did as Democrats to try

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Speaker 1: to help Way in there.

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Speaker 6: Trump is relying upon a nineteen seventies piece of legislation

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Speaker 6: that gives the president powers and emergencies to be able

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Speaker 6: to act. But that law never talked about tariffs, and

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Speaker 6: it never for sure intended for our president to substitute

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Speaker 6: for the congressional responsibility of voting on tarrors. It's reckless,

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Speaker 6: it's illegal. And what I've done a couple of times

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Speaker 6: on the set of floor so far is I've called

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Speaker 6: up my bill to exempt all small businesses in America

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Speaker 6: from his tariffs. He's turning Main Street into pain Street

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Speaker 6: for thirty three million small businesses in our country, and

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Speaker 6: the Republicans continue to get up and to object. And

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Speaker 6: what's happening is that these small businesses are the ones

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Speaker 6: who cannot just ride out a tariff wark Big companies

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Speaker 6: they can do it. Small companies cannot. So what's happening

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Speaker 6: with these tariffs is that the Quanians, the Rotarians, the

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Speaker 6: main street businesses in every red state Republican district. They're

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Speaker 6: the ones feeling the pain and the increased costs for

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Speaker 6: their business offer their customers from these tariffs. So the

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court will be, you know, hearing the case. But ultimately,

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Speaker 6: as you said, it appears that the Supreme Court is

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Speaker 6: just in the tank to the President, even when he's

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Speaker 6: acting in an unconstitutional way, usurping powers which the Congress

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Speaker 6: has never given to him. So I think it's a

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Speaker 6: dangerous path that the President's going down politically. The Republicans

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Speaker 6: are following him. Electricity rates are skyrocketing, healthcare costs are skyrocketing,

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Speaker 6: costs for food, cost for clothing, the cost for just

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Speaker 6: the the ability to do business in small, small town

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Speaker 6: America all skyrocketing. And I just think they're creating the

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Speaker 6: conditions for a political revolution out there to dump the

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Speaker 6: Republicans next year.

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Speaker 2: So it certainly seems like it.

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Speaker 1: And when you watch Man Dami on Sunday, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to see a lane for Democrats who are not real populous.

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Speaker 1: So you are running for reelection, you blew the other

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Speaker 1: candidate out of the water last time, What is your

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Speaker 1: plan this time?

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Speaker 6: I continue to run as a progressive champion. It's not

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Speaker 6: your age, it's the age of your ideas to actually

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Speaker 6: determine where voters go and is energized as I've ever been.

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Speaker 6: I wake up every morning ready to fight whatever the

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Speaker 6: craziest idea Trump has come up with that morning, and

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Speaker 6: it's in response to that that keeps me going.

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Speaker 5: My father drove a truck with the Hood Milk Company.

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Speaker 6: Delivering milk, do it adu and the United States Senator

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Speaker 6: and growing up in Malda, Massachusetts, I could see the

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Speaker 6: opportunities have opened up caught me. I still live in

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Speaker 6: malde Massachusetts. It's still a blue collar a town, but

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Speaker 6: now it's a quarter Black, a quarter Wide, a quarter Asian,

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Speaker 6: a quarter Latino. And what Trump does is he brings

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Speaker 6: out the mald It in me every day to fight

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Speaker 6: for those families, to fight for those kids. They have

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Speaker 6: the same opportunities which I was given, educational from a

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Speaker 6: healthcare perspective, breaking down discriminatory barriers. So that's who I've

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Speaker 6: always been and that's who I'm going to be throughout

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Speaker 6: this race and for as long as I'm given the honor.

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Speaker 5: Of representing Massachusetts in the United States Senate.

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Speaker 1: You are running against someone Seth Maulton, who is not

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Speaker 1: as lefty as you, but who has returned a PAC.

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Speaker 2: Motiney.

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Speaker 1: A PAC has become a huge divide in the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party for any number of reasons.

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Speaker 2: Talk us through where you are with this.

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't take APEC money, but I also don't

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Speaker 6: take corporate donations. I'm also a big supporter of repealing

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Speaker 6: Citizens United and getting dark money out of our Baltics.

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Speaker 6: That's how I ran in twenty twenty. That's how I'm

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Speaker 6: going to run this time. Okay, I'm going to run

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Speaker 6: just saying that we need a better political system in

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Speaker 6: our country in terms of it financing.

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Speaker 1: How do you think that is transmitted to the rest

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Speaker 1: of the party, Because like, there clearly is a divide

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Speaker 1: between Democrats who are comfortable with certain things. And again

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Speaker 1: it's like I'm very conflicted because it's a difference between

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Speaker 1: you know, you're not going to necessarily have candidates who

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Speaker 1: check all your boxes and you need to win. But

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Speaker 1: the electorate seems furious and they are as opposed to

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. They seem furious with everyone. They're more furious

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Speaker 1: with Trump, but not by that much.

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Speaker 5: I think they should be curious.

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Speaker 6: They should be outraged at the conditions in our country

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Speaker 6: right now, and that's what I have been channeling. That's

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Speaker 6: where I was in my twenty twenty race as well.

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Speaker 6: Trump right now is dismantling all of the programs that

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Speaker 6: we were successful in putting on the books to fight

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Speaker 6: climate change. And that's just a Green New Deal that

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Speaker 6: Alexandro Ocassio, Cotez and I introduced in February of twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 6: That just changed the game, and it came from young people.

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Speaker 6: It came from activists just demanding that the Democratic Party respawn.

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Speaker 6: And that's the way politics really works. In twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 6: not one reporter asked Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump a

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Speaker 6: question about climate change. We introduced the Green New Deal

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Speaker 6: will solved that problem so that we would have a

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Speaker 6: real debate about climate change in our country. And that's

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Speaker 6: what we're doing right now again with regard to all

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Speaker 6: of these issues. It's coming from young people, it's coming

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Speaker 6: from activists. It's coming from people who are angry and

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Speaker 6: who are marching, they're chanting, they're raising their voices, and

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Speaker 6: they want a Democratic Party who will stand up and fight.

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Speaker 5: And we have to.

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Speaker 6: Make sure that we rally around this healthcare issue, and

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Speaker 6: we have to guarantee that this is a fight about them,

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Speaker 6: for them, about their families, and about the futures that

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Speaker 6: they hope that their children will be able to enjoy.

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Speaker 2: How are you guys going to protect the midterms?

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Speaker 1: Like Trump is already talking about election monitors? Are their

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Speaker 1: plans on the Democratic side of the state legislature to

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Speaker 1: send in because you are entitled to election monitors as

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Speaker 1: well right the state.

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Speaker 6: Well, we have every right to be concerned when Trump

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Speaker 6: brings in five hundred generals and admirals and says to

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Speaker 6: them that he wants them to practice in American cities

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Speaker 6: for what they'll be doing overseas. My fear, and I

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Speaker 6: think Americans fear that what he wants them to do

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Speaker 6: is practice for what he'll call upon them to do

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Speaker 6: on election day next year in American cities, in minority

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Speaker 6: communities across our country, in the deployment of troops.

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Speaker 5: So we have to.

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Speaker 6: Begin earl to ensure that we raise our voices to

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Speaker 6: protect against him illegally using military troops to suppress the

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Speaker 6: vote in our country. And we also have to make

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Speaker 6: sure that we have thousands of lawyers who are ready

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Speaker 6: to go into every single city where they are working

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Speaker 6: to impose their authoritarian regime policies on election day next year.

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Speaker 6: And it's going to be a challenge for us because

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Speaker 6: Trump is talking about a third term, which is illegal

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Speaker 6: and unconstitutional, but it's who he is. And we have

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Speaker 6: to also understand that once he loses the House and

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Speaker 6: set it that there's going to be a flood of

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Speaker 6: subpoenis going to every agency and every person who's done

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Speaker 6: business with the trouble administration in their first two years.

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Speaker 6: And Trump really will do anything to preclude the House

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Speaker 6: and Centive from having that kind of power. So you're right,

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Speaker 6: we're going to need the monitors, We're going to need

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Speaker 6: the personnel.

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Speaker 5: We're going to need to work very very hard. Otherwise,

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Speaker 5: what we saw with him in the Jimmy Kimmel case

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Speaker 5: turning the FCC into the Federal Censorship Commission, he's going

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Speaker 5: to try to do the same thing to our democracy

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Speaker 5: in general.

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Speaker 1: Why you think people don't assume that he'll do what

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Speaker 1: he's always done, Like, why do you think people are

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Speaker 1: always sort of optimistic that he won't do stuff like

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Speaker 1: that this time?

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Speaker 6: Well, again, I think his MAGA supporters do believe that

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Speaker 6: he will do it, and they're going to give him

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Speaker 6: a permission slip to do it. What we have to

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Speaker 6: do on the Democratic side is just to continue to

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Speaker 6: work harder and get everybody up with an energy level

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Speaker 6: that increases our turnout.

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Speaker 5: This is a turnout battle.

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Speaker 6: Next year, we have to have the highest off year

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Speaker 6: turnin out that we've ever had in American history. We

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Speaker 6: have to raise these issues, make it clear that democracy, healthcare, education, climate,

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Speaker 6: civil rights are all on the books. We can't agonize.

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Speaker 6: We have to organize. That's what this has to be about.

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Speaker 6: And it's on Democrats to do that organization to have

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Speaker 6: the highest turnout in history next year. We're not going

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Speaker 6: to win by just being a middle fiddles here. We're

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Speaker 6: going to win by being in the mushing middle and

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Speaker 6: trying to convince people that we're well like them. It's

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Speaker 6: going to be an increasing the trade out and if

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Speaker 6: we do that, then we're going to have a historic picture.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Oh glad to be with you, Thank you, Thanks for

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Speaker 5: having me on.

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Speaker 3: No moment pfectly Jesse Cannon, one of your favorite characters

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Speaker 3: is in our Moment of Factory. It's one Ken Paxton, Oh.

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Speaker 2: The best I think you mean, Senator Ken Paxton.

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Speaker 3: Well maybe, I mean, you know, let's see if you

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Speaker 3: could get that primary over the finish line. So Texas

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Speaker 3: is suing Tailanol's makers claiming they hid the autism risks.

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Speaker 1: Right. Meanwhile, let me just say that Thailand all should

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Speaker 1: be suing Texas for slander because none of that is right.

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Speaker 2: None of it is true, and they know it's not true.

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Speaker 1: It's just up bullshit because they wanted to find a

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Speaker 1: cause for autism, and so they decided talent all was it.

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Speaker 3: I seem to recall tail and all pretty big owners,

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Speaker 3: pretty big Trump owners. If I don't recall, yes.

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Speaker 2: They are so who knows how mad they probably are. No,

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Speaker 2: the whole thing is fucked.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, y'all you decide to go to the leopard eating

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Speaker 3: party and guess what.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations.

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