Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're downing
Speaker 1: caffeine like our lives depend on it. I could use
Speaker 1: about I don't know, eight extra hours to get some
Speaker 1: things done today, but alas I checked, still only twenty
Speaker 1: four hours. Maybe tomorrow. It's Friday, April eleventh, Happy Friday Slices.
Speaker 1: On today's show, ESPN analyst Rebecca Lobo will join us
Speaker 1: to look back at another great season of college hoops
Speaker 1: and take a little peek ahead to the WNBA Draft.
Speaker 1: We talk about are getting to call a Yukon championship
Speaker 1: win as an analyst for the first time this year,
Speaker 1: whether Gino was actually crying over Pagebeckers in that viral
Speaker 1: press conference clip, the positive vibe around this year's NCAA tournament,
Speaker 1: and the influx of transfers changing the college hoops landscape
Speaker 1: early in this offseason. Plus the Love Finals continue, the
Speaker 1: Billy Jean Kingcup makes a move, and a goat gets
Speaker 1: the dock treatment. It's all coming up. Right after this
Speaker 1: welcome back, Sligh says, here's what you need to know
Speaker 1: today in pro Vib's news. The Love Finals continue tonight
Speaker 1: in Louisville at the KFCM Center, make sure you catch
Speaker 1: the semi final action starting at six thirty pm Eastern
Speaker 1: on ESPN two or ESPN Plus. And if you miss
Speaker 1: the semis remember that a champ will be crowned on
Speaker 1: Sunday at four pm Eastern. That contest will also be
Speaker 1: on ESPN two and ESPN Plus. In tennis news, the
Speaker 1: billyj and King Cup Finals, which we had the honor
Speaker 1: of attending this past fall, will be held in September
Speaker 1: instead of November this year. Quick refresher. This is the
Speaker 1: top international team tennis competition where each nation's best tennis
Speaker 1: players team up to take on the rest of the
Speaker 1: world stars. The Cup is had to take place in Shenjin, China,
Speaker 1: and has been moved in the hopes of aligning better
Speaker 1: with the players competition schedule. In the past, top athletes
Speaker 1: like IGAs Fontec, Coco Goff, and Jessica Pagoula have skipped
Speaker 1: the event because of the strenuous travel requirements. The WTA
Speaker 1: Tour Finals, held around the same time in past years,
Speaker 1: weren't located anywhere near the BJK Cup site, but this
Speaker 1: year's BJK Cup Finals in China will run from September
Speaker 1: sixteenth to September twenty first, the same time WTA Tour
Speaker 1: events will be held across Asia. In hockey news, the
Speaker 1: PWHL's Montreal Victoire have activated goaltender and Renee Debn from
Speaker 1: long term injured reserve. She leads all goaltenders and wins
Speaker 1: goals against average and save percentage, but was placed on
Speaker 1: long term injured reserve last week, retroactive to March eighteenth,
Speaker 1: after suffering a lower body injury in a game against
Speaker 1: the Boston Fleet. Debien is currently in Chechia with Team
Speaker 1: Canada for the World Championships, and while she didn't dress
Speaker 1: for the team's opening game against Finland, perhaps we'll see
Speaker 1: her later in the tournament. We'll link to the full
Speaker 1: World Championship schedule in the show notes to the NWSL,
Speaker 1: where we were so caught up with college hoops we
Speaker 1: missed last week's announcement of the Best eleven for the
Speaker 1: month of March, a list that included the Washington Spirits
Speaker 1: Ashley Hatch, who scored three goals in March, including a
Speaker 1: game winner against Houston and a brace in week three,
Speaker 1: and the Casey Currents ten with Shawana also named NWSL
Speaker 1: Player of the Month. Shweinga's three goals in March extended
Speaker 1: her scoring streak to eight straight regular season contests, tying
Speaker 1: her own league records. In twenty twenty four, Houston Dash
Speaker 1: midfielder Maggie Graham was also named Rookie of the Month
Speaker 1: for March after scoring in each of her first two appearances,
Speaker 1: becoming the fifth player in NWSL history and just the
Speaker 1: third rookie to do so. Heading into Week four, three
Speaker 1: teams in the league looked to continue their season long
Speaker 1: unbeaten streak. The three and O Orlando Pride taken out Seattle,
Speaker 1: the three and O KC Current taken on San Diego,
Speaker 1: and the two to one in oh Washington Spirit who
Speaker 1: will face Louisville. You could check out the full NWSL
Speaker 1: schedule in our show notes. Some more NWSL news, Denver's
Speaker 1: expansion side has made its first big hire, naming Jen
Speaker 1: Millett as the club's first president. The Colorado native was
Speaker 1: the chief operating officer for BAYFC. We got to take
Speaker 1: a quick break when we come back. We caught up
Speaker 1: with Rebecca Lobo yesterday and she helped us put this
Speaker 1: college hoop season in perspective. Keep it locked here, joining
Speaker 1: us out for the second time. She's an Olympic gold medalist,
Speaker 1: NCAA champion, inaugural player in the WNBA, and a w
Speaker 1: All star in ninety nine, member of the Women's Basketball
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and the Naysmith Hall of Fame. Now
Speaker 1: a reporter and color analyst for ESPN with a focus
Speaker 1: on women's college hoops and the WNBA. She's guest starred
Speaker 1: on Martin Sister Sister, Matt, About You, and Girls five Eva,
Speaker 1: And she's got her own street in South mlkmass where
Speaker 1: she went to high school, Rebecca Lobo Way, It's Rebecca
Speaker 1: Lobo High. Rebecca.
Speaker 2: Hi. When do I get a jacket? Is that like
Speaker 2: when I'm on for my fifth time?
Speaker 1: Yeah? We need we have a five timers club. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're working your way toward it.
Speaker 2: You're slowly, but Shirley, all right, you.
Speaker 1: Have just finished a hell of a run covering women's
Speaker 1: college hoops. How are you holding up?
Speaker 2: I'm tired. It's funny because everybody just assumed, like assumes
Speaker 2: that when the Final four is over, oh, you take
Speaker 2: a break. I'm like, no, We've got a week we're
Speaker 2: preparing for the draft. But then when we have the draft.
Speaker 2: That's a glorious three weeks that follow it because college
Speaker 2: over WNBA training camps haven't even started. So it was like,
Speaker 2: it's the three weeks of my year where I can
Speaker 2: exhale and there's nothing that I should be prepping for.
Speaker 2: But right now we're still in the middle of the
Speaker 2: work of it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're still in the grind when that three weeks comes.
Speaker 1: Are you more of a staycation, get stuff done around
Speaker 1: the house, doodle around, or are you like, I hit
Speaker 1: a tropical spot immediately kind of person.
Speaker 2: I'm a mom, so we never get to hit the
Speaker 2: tropical spot and very rarely does it coincide with my
Speaker 2: with my kids vacation at school. So usually it's just relax, decompress,
Speaker 2: do some stuff around the house, and if it is
Speaker 2: a year where it coincides with the kids stuff, we'll
Speaker 2: try to get out and about, but it typically does not.
Speaker 1: We're going to get to the draft because yeah, it's Monday,
Speaker 1: which is insane. But let's talk about this run because
Speaker 1: this was one of my favorite college basketball seasons ever.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, if you could try to get
Speaker 1: back into your brain back when the season started, what
Speaker 1: would you be most surprised to see happen this year,
Speaker 1: like a certain player popping off or a team under
Speaker 1: or overperforming. What what did you have a different mind
Speaker 1: about when things started.
Speaker 2: I think we were all pretty open minded because, you know,
Speaker 2: while South Carolina was the favorite coming in because they
Speaker 2: had been undefeated and won the championship the year before,
Speaker 2: you also knew, all right, but they don't have Camilla
Speaker 2: Cardoso and she was such a huge part of what
Speaker 2: they did last year. What is USC going to look
Speaker 2: like this year? What is Yukon going to look like
Speaker 2: this year? And then I certainly don't think any of
Speaker 2: us anticipated, like in December and January, that Notre Dame
Speaker 2: would be the best team in the country and that
Speaker 2: hannahad all Go would be playing like the front runner
Speaker 2: for National Player of the Year. And then sort of
Speaker 2: the ebbs and flows that we saw from from that
Speaker 2: point on in terms of you know, I think we
Speaker 2: had for the first time three consecutive weeks, maybe at
Speaker 2: some point in January or February, we had a new
Speaker 2: number one team. You know, I don't think people would
Speaker 2: have expected UCLA to, you know, grab hold of that
Speaker 2: number one ranking in November December, and then ride it
Speaker 2: for much of the season, So it's kind of fun.
Speaker 2: We're in a place with women's basketball now are it's
Speaker 2: a lot less predictable than it has been in previous years.
Speaker 1: What do you think is the biggest driver of that parody?
Speaker 1: Is that nil transfer portal, investment from schools into their
Speaker 1: women's programs.
Speaker 2: Probably a little bit of all of those things. I
Speaker 2: think the transfer portal has played a really big part
Speaker 2: in that because you can have a team like LSU,
Speaker 2: who you know, Kim Molki's done a phenomenal job every
Speaker 2: year kind of building a Final four caliber team out
Speaker 2: of the transfer portal by bringing in seniors and experienced players,
Speaker 2: and so there's a little bit less of you know, ooh,
Speaker 2: they got a really good freshman class, We're going to
Speaker 2: watch them grow, and that team's going to be really
Speaker 2: good their junior and senior year. You can you know,
Speaker 2: bring the pieces is and you see what Mark Campbell
Speaker 2: did at TCU this year, you know, going, you know,
Speaker 2: from a team two years ago with hardly any wins
Speaker 2: to this year going to the Elite eight. So I
Speaker 2: think that the transfer portal has probably played the biggest
Speaker 2: role in all that, And of course NIL is combined
Speaker 2: with the transfer portal as well.
Speaker 1: You got to see your alma mater, Yukon get the
Speaker 1: big win in Tampa, Pagebackers gets to ride off into
Speaker 1: the sunset as a champion. It felt a little different
Speaker 1: for me and I think a lot of people watching
Speaker 1: this time. It's been since twenty sixteen since Yukon has won.
Speaker 1: After all those years of kind of being like, oh, Gino,
Speaker 1: Riam and company, here we go again. It was like
Speaker 1: they were kind of an underdog almost. They were a
Speaker 1: number two seed, which was weird but ended up, you know,
Speaker 1: it all worked out for them. How did it feel
Speaker 1: for you watching this year versus maybe some of the
Speaker 1: runs they made when they were dominating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a little bit of all of that.
Speaker 2: You know, there's that cycle when Brianna Stewart was there
Speaker 2: where they win four in a row and the expectation
Speaker 2: is for them to always win, and I think this
Speaker 2: year what was different was what happened the previous four
Speaker 2: years where this team, season after season after season was
Speaker 2: decimated by injury and even last year. I think last
Speaker 2: year was one of the coach Oriama's greatest jobs as
Speaker 2: a coach to get that group to the final four.
Speaker 2: They were a three seed a year ago when they
Speaker 2: beat us in the regional final page and Juju going
Speaker 2: going at it, and and so it just there was
Speaker 2: a very different feel I think about the Yukon team
Speaker 2: this year because it's the first time where I think
Speaker 2: people are like, man, I really want this for this kid.
Speaker 2: She's you know, she's had all this bad luck going
Speaker 2: poor coach Oriama and Yukon they've had all of this
Speaker 2: bad luck. And so it was a completely completely different vibe.
Speaker 2: And while they were in some ways the favorite going
Speaker 2: into the final four because of how well they played, yeah,
Speaker 2: they were the only two seed in the in the
Speaker 2: final four, just because of some of the ups and
Speaker 2: downs that they'd had this season. So certainly a very
Speaker 2: different journey than we're used to seeing from a Yukon
Speaker 2: player and a Yukon team.
Speaker 1: When you're around as long as you've been and you're
Speaker 1: such a just legendary member of the women's basketball community,
Speaker 1: how do you approach knowing that no matter how you
Speaker 1: call the game, people will say you're being biased for Yukon.
Speaker 2: You know what, I have somewhere on my phone a
Speaker 2: screenshot from you years ago when I was calling Minnesota
Speaker 2: Links and the LA Sparks in the finals, and I
Speaker 2: had back to back tweets. One of them said, you
Speaker 2: know you can be any more biased for Minnesota, followed
Speaker 2: by you know you couldn't be any more biased for
Speaker 2: for the Sparks, And so, like, I feel confident in
Speaker 2: how I call games, and I just sit down and
Speaker 2: I'm going to say what I see. I'm going to
Speaker 2: say what I see, and and that's what I you know,
Speaker 2: that's what I did this year, and the best way
Speaker 2: for me to handle it is what I've done since September.
Speaker 2: And that's not look at any app replies because look, nobody,
Speaker 2: nobody ever says to me to my face. You know,
Speaker 2: you really sounded bias in that in that game, you
Speaker 2: know so, But like you know, we're always hoping on
Speaker 2: the TV side for close games. That's what's best for us.
Speaker 2: It's it's you know, more enjoyable to watch. We know
Speaker 2: it's gonna have a big impact on the ratings as well.
Speaker 2: That's certainly not how it played out in any of
Speaker 2: the games that our crew called in the tournament this year.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like I I can't even about that, And
Speaker 2: what's interesting, Sarah is like, I've done a ton of
Speaker 2: Yukon's championships as a sideline reporter, a sideline analyst, and
Speaker 2: as a studio analyst. This is the first time I've
Speaker 2: ever called one of their national championships as the game analyst.
Speaker 2: You know, I've been doing it on the National championship
Speaker 2: last five or six years, and so I've seen plenty
Speaker 2: of their heartbreaking losses, but this is the first time
Speaker 2: I got to call one of their wins. So that
Speaker 2: was kind of a fun new experience for me.
Speaker 1: Wait, so you've been out of the Menchi said September.
Speaker 1: When that three week pause hits, are you going to
Speaker 1: go digging back in or are you trying to say
Speaker 1: why would I?
Speaker 2: Why would I? Like like I've hopped in and posted
Speaker 2: some stuff and then I just get right back out,
Speaker 2: like I don't you know? And this is and I
Speaker 2: may have told you this story before, I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: but you know this was back before when I was
Speaker 2: still in my mensions and I was sitting in my
Speaker 2: living room looking at him and saying something to my
Speaker 2: husband like look at this, you know kind of a thing,
Speaker 2: and he goes, would you invite that person into our
Speaker 2: living room, and I said no. He said, then why
Speaker 2: are you inviting that person into our living room? And
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, no one's allowed in
Speaker 2: my living room. The living room is fine, and so
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna worry about any of
Speaker 2: that stuff.
Speaker 1: I love that. You know, We've been talking to a
Speaker 1: handful of Yukon folks. We even had Gino on the show,
Speaker 1: but we had him on before the moment that everyone
Speaker 1: was talking about at the press conference last regular season game.
Speaker 1: Page gets up and walks away, and everyone says Gino's crying,
Speaker 1: But Sue Byrd and if you said Collier, all these
Speaker 1: former players say, no chance Gino was crying. To everyone else,
Speaker 1: it was very clear it looked like he was definitely crying.
Speaker 1: And we think this is a new, older, softer Gino
Speaker 1: and that the old players just don't get it. You
Speaker 1: don't You don't think he was crying.
Speaker 2: No, And I'm I'm a little bit more informed on
Speaker 2: this because that was the game where they played the
Speaker 2: last her last game at Gamble. It was in the
Speaker 2: second round of the tournament. That's that game. I called
Speaker 2: that game. Right after the game, he came Page came
Speaker 2: and sat down with us and talked to us first live,
Speaker 2: and then coach came and we had an interview with him,
Speaker 2: and he was very much in his upbeat spirits, kind
Speaker 2: of given crap mode, and and so in that press conference,
Speaker 2: what I saw, and what I believe is one hundred
Speaker 2: percent true, is him kind of rolling his eyes like
Speaker 2: you know, they're like just there she goes, or that
Speaker 2: sort of a thing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Here, there was nothing in that moment that should have
Speaker 2: made him cry, like he had more time with her,
Speaker 2: and we all obviously saw what happened after the National
Speaker 2: Championship game and the full emotion that he brought. I
Speaker 2: more saw him in like, you know, given her crap
Speaker 2: kind of mode in the moment where people thought he
Speaker 2: was crying.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll take your word for it.
Speaker 2: And I can tell this story because I heard him
Speaker 2: tell a piece of it at their welcome reception back
Speaker 2: at Gamble Pavilion. But after the game, you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's late at night. I'm kind of hanging out with
Speaker 2: Stuwie and Sue and Diana and Ryan and Holly, and
Speaker 2: we've got some of our you know, former Yukon players
Speaker 2: saying you should come by. You should come by and
Speaker 2: say say hi to coach. Come buy the team hotel
Speaker 2: and so so we did so so D and Sue
Speaker 2: and Stuie and Megan and myself we get in a
Speaker 2: in an uber and we go out to the team
Speaker 2: hotel and we're not near the players. They're like on
Speaker 2: the roof or wherever they're doing their thing. And like
Speaker 2: we walk by where the parents are, we're not with them. Well,
Speaker 2: we get like to the back of the area and
Speaker 2: and coach or Aama is there and CD and Jamel
Speaker 2: and Morgan and Tanya and all the coaching staff kind
Speaker 2: of just sitting sitting in their separate places, and there's
Speaker 2: some other former players back there, and so we're just
Speaker 2: kind of sitting around and talking and and Coach Arima
Speaker 2: told the story and uh in their welcome reception and
Speaker 2: how you know, he started pointing at players, like, you know,
Speaker 2: Jen has one, Rebecca has one, Stue has two, d
Speaker 2: has three, and he's like counting around the part of
Speaker 2: the story he didn't tell was right before he started
Speaker 2: doing the counting. It's probably two in the morning and
Speaker 2: Page comes down and you know, she's got the net
Speaker 2: and her championship had on, and she comes over and
Speaker 2: like it's all kind of the older players sitting around,
Speaker 2: and Coach kind of looks at her and is like, oh,
Speaker 2: what you know, you got one and you're done, so
Speaker 2: you think you can be down here now and then
Speaker 2: and remember this is just a couple hours after we
Speaker 2: saw him crying and hugging her and telling her he
Speaker 2: loves her. And he looks at Page and he points
Speaker 2: at me and he said, go sit next to her.
Speaker 2: You guys only have one.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And then he started like pointing. He's like, I won,
Speaker 2: and then he points to Stewie four, Jessic Moore three,
Speaker 2: like the whole thing. So that's who he is. Never
Speaker 2: so no, and so him sitting at the podium when
Speaker 2: she was still his player, you know, after the second round,
Speaker 2: he wasn't crying. And the thing that was interesting to
Speaker 2: me was it was thirty years since our team won
Speaker 2: the championship, and the night after we won, we all
Speaker 2: ended up in coaches room and he's like, put the
Speaker 2: VHS tape of our game on and he starts giving
Speaker 2: all of us us shit after just winning him as
Speaker 2: first national championship. And I was just like I felt
Speaker 2: like I was in a time warp, like thirty years ago.
Speaker 1: It was me.
Speaker 2: He was, you know, giving crap to tonight. It's Paige.
Speaker 2: She just won a championship. But he's already said to her,
Speaker 2: go sit over by her, because you guys at leave.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. That's what makes those people great. They're they're
Speaker 1: they're crazy like that. That's literally what drives him already
Speaker 1: ready to pop in the tape and tell you what
Speaker 1: to do. That's such a great story. What are some
Speaker 1: of the highlights for you from the tournament, regional games,
Speaker 1: Final four? Anything besides the basketball.
Speaker 2: I mean just the the energy and the excitement. You know,
Speaker 2: my journey in the tournament was I did call the
Speaker 2: first two games and stores all of them sold out,
Speaker 2: incredible crowds. Go out to Spokane, we get to call
Speaker 2: the games out in Spokane. That building was packed for
Speaker 2: for all rounds. Going to the final four, same thing,
Speaker 2: the energy and the vibe and the feeling of just
Speaker 2: excitement about women's basketball. And you know, I've been at
Speaker 2: the final covering the Final four for a lot of
Speaker 2: years and there is definitely a different feeling that we've
Speaker 2: had in these last three or four. You know, not
Speaker 2: only the games being sold out, there's just a different energy, excitement,
Speaker 2: you know, people texting you or whatever excited for these games,
Speaker 2: for these players, for the stories. There's a different juice.
Speaker 2: There's a different juice there and I felt it in
Speaker 2: stores and I felt it, and we felt it all
Speaker 2: in the regular season too, because we got to call
Speaker 2: some incredible games in the regular season. You know, Notre
Speaker 2: Dame at NC State and the students section is exploding,
Speaker 2: LSU at South Carolina and you've got twenty five hundred
Speaker 2: students there. Just like the building felt like it was pulsing.
Speaker 2: There's a different energy about it, and it's been awesome.
Speaker 1: And I will say this year, minus the juju injury,
Speaker 1: was a mostly positive season. You know, last year I
Speaker 1: had almost forgotten about the Spokane region having some issues
Speaker 1: around you know, overscheduling with like I think it was
Speaker 1: a volleyball tournament, and then players staying in a hotel
Speaker 1: just outside of state, facing some racial epithets. There was
Speaker 1: a lot more complaints about investment and resources and all
Speaker 1: those other things. It's not fixed, but between the economic
Speaker 1: units finally getting applied to the women's game, to the
Speaker 1: storylines around the teams and the players and the game itself.
Speaker 1: It did feel like there was a leap this year
Speaker 1: and just talking about ball, which was awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there were still some of those issues and
Speaker 2: coach o Aama brought them up. Kim Multky was talking
Speaker 2: about them and that that high school volleyball tournament was
Speaker 2: still happening because many of those players and their parents
Speaker 2: were at the hotel we were in No Way Spokane,
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean it's hard because how those super
Speaker 2: regionals are set up, like they literally the teams the
Speaker 2: day before they're going to play a Sweet sixteen, an
Speaker 2: elite A game, they only get an hour on the court.
Speaker 2: They get a half hour on game day for shoot
Speaker 2: around and this year one of the ones in Spokane,
Speaker 2: their time was like five forty five am. There are
Speaker 2: certain certainly things that need to get fixed and become better,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the basketball was so good. And
Speaker 2: you brought up the Juju injury. I think that's the
Speaker 2: one thing that did take a considerable amount of air
Speaker 2: out of the bubble. And I think part of it
Speaker 2: is because you know, last year it was like people
Speaker 2: are on Team Angel or Team Caitlin. There wasn't that feeling.
Speaker 2: This year, I think everybody was was hopeful for Pagebeckers,
Speaker 2: everyone was hopeful for Juju, like they are players that
Speaker 2: it didn't feel like, you know, that there was as
Speaker 2: much of a love hate divide this season. It felt
Speaker 2: just more like, Oh, I really love that player. My
Speaker 2: heart breaks that she just hurt her knee. I really
Speaker 2: love this kid. I hope she gets her championship or
Speaker 2: you know, my lagel full Wiley so exciting to watch
Speaker 2: what's going to happen there. So there was I think
Speaker 2: a better vibe about Possibi this year. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Speaking of positivity, it seems like you and Ryan Ruco
Speaker 1: and Holly Road genuinely enjoy each other. Can you give
Speaker 1: us a little behind the scenes of your trio, like
Speaker 1: maybe when you have a couple hours off.
Speaker 2: I mean, we spent so much time together, so we
Speaker 2: better enjoy one another. I mean, when when we were
Speaker 2: out in Spokane, for example, we're staying we were staying
Speaker 2: outside of the city. We're at a hotel that was
Speaker 2: right near the airport. There really wasn't much around us,
Speaker 2: so there was a highway that went by. But even
Speaker 2: when it's like forty five degrees and cold, like we're
Speaker 2: out there in the morning, we're going for a walk together,
Speaker 2: we are eating our meals together, we're hanging out with
Speaker 2: one another. You know, we're sitting watching the other games
Speaker 2: happening in the different regions with one another. We just
Speaker 2: enjoy each other's company. And and so that was kind
Speaker 2: of the rhythm of the Final four too. We spend
Speaker 2: so much time in the arena that by the end
Speaker 2: of it, like you cannot be in the best mental space.
Speaker 2: And so we've learned over the years, all right, there's
Speaker 2: a break, let's get outside, let's get in the sun,
Speaker 2: let's get outside, let's go for a walk. And but
Speaker 2: you know, we're the only ones on our same schedule,
Speaker 2: and we just spend spend a ton of time together.
Speaker 2: We laugh a lot, we enjoy each other and and
Speaker 2: it would be really, really hard to do this job
Speaker 2: if that wasn't the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it makes for such a great watch,
Speaker 1: such a great lesten. So okay, so this season's wrapped.
Speaker 1: We got the fairytale ending for page. Before we get
Speaker 1: to the draft, we've still got to close up the
Speaker 1: college game, which means we're already seeing players in the
Speaker 1: transfer portal making moves. What are your thoughts on Olivia
Speaker 1: Miles to TCU.
Speaker 2: That one surprised me a little bit. First, I was
Speaker 2: surprised that she chose to not go in the draft.
Speaker 2: I mean, typically if a player is projected to go
Speaker 2: not only second, but second to a phenomenal franchise, like
Speaker 2: you have the chance to be the one who sort
Speaker 2: of follows Sue Byrd as the point guard of the
Speaker 2: Seattle franchise. That surprised me. And then I did not
Speaker 2: expect for her to go to TCU, of all places.
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, you could actually be a really
Speaker 2: interesting fit for her because they run the same kind
Speaker 2: of offense at Notre Dame. So that one was a
Speaker 2: big surprise. Tadaia Latson when she came out South Carolina
Speaker 2: is the perfect fit for her. That makes all kind
Speaker 2: of sense. So and wow, that's going to be really
Speaker 2: interesting to see her in a back court with my
Speaker 2: Lesia full Whiley next year.
Speaker 1: And yeah, leading scorer in the nation goes to a
Speaker 1: place that needs someone clutch. That's the go to.
Speaker 2: They needed a guard who could just go get a bucket,
Speaker 2: and she is a guard who go just go get
Speaker 2: a bucket. The one who's I'm at least as we're
Speaker 2: doing this podcast now, I don't know where Cody McMahon's
Speaker 2: going yet, especially this will be her last year. She
Speaker 2: will be probably a lottery pick in next year's draft.
Speaker 2: You know, she's in the port a lot of Ohio State.
Speaker 2: That woman is the real deal as a as a
Speaker 2: basketball player, as a score. I'm kind of fascinated to
Speaker 2: see where she's gonna go. But yeah, like you can't
Speaker 2: even like project what's gonna happen next year until all
Speaker 2: this stuff settles, you know, Keyomi mcmiller coming out of
Speaker 2: Rutgers like, to me, the perfect fit for her is
Speaker 2: if she ends up at LSU. If she ends up
Speaker 2: at LSU and a backcourt with Flage Johnson, Holy cow,
Speaker 2: this that kid can really really play. So so yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, we like we can't even Charlie cream
Speaker 2: does is you know, way too early top twenty five,
Speaker 2: And you know, once things kind of settle in in
Speaker 2: the portal, I would imagine some of those projection projections
Speaker 2: are going to change a bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as Fred the Olivia Miles thing, I mean it
Speaker 1: feels like, obviously TCU was a great spot for Haley
Speaker 1: van Lit to redeem herself after a tough time at LSU.
Speaker 1: It feels like from the rumors that they are certainly
Speaker 1: making it worth a student's while to go there in
Speaker 1: terms of nil deals and things like that. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: relationship with the coach there feels like one that the
Speaker 1: players really take to heart and feel like they're seen by.
Speaker 1: But she's not the only Notre Dame player on the move,
Speaker 1: So I'm as intrigued by her wanting to go to
Speaker 1: TCU as I am by players leaving the Irish. Are
Speaker 1: you hearing anything about why that's not a program that's
Speaker 1: able to hang on to players.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's not That's not a rumor mill that
Speaker 2: I have, you know, any any insight on. But I
Speaker 2: mean when you look at their uster right now, I
Speaker 2: think they only have two or three players RFD. You
Speaker 2: know Kate Kolevaals has on the move to LSU. Actually,
Speaker 2: that's I think a really really good fit for her too,
Speaker 2: because Kim Malki is so good about utilizing her big
Speaker 2: back to the basket post players. But no, and when
Speaker 2: we've covered Notre Dame, the players seem to have an
Speaker 2: incredible relationship with the l Ivy, So I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's a situation where the NIL is just too
Speaker 2: appealing at other places, So I'm not sure exactly what's
Speaker 2: going on there.
Speaker 1: Someone of my Menchi's mentioned something about them under investing,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if they meant overtly or if
Speaker 1: they meant an nil or otherwise, And it wasn't a
Speaker 1: source that I knew knew anything, but they seem to
Speaker 1: have a strong opinion about the team not putting enough
Speaker 1: into the women's side of the program, So I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's any truth to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know either, but it's certainly from the outside.
Speaker 2: I've never seen anything that looks like the players don't
Speaker 2: completely respect and appreciate in the l But if that's
Speaker 2: the case, if you're getting offered a lot more money
Speaker 2: from another place and you're a kid who doesn't have
Speaker 2: much money, and how many kids do like you, know,
Speaker 2: I would understand how that would be a hard thing
Speaker 2: not to take.
Speaker 1: So obviously South Carolina prime to compete again next year,
Speaker 1: returning so many stars and adding to Nai Lats and
Speaker 1: Yukon with superstar Fresh and Sarah Strong leading the way,
Speaker 1: who just already would be a lottery pick right now,
Speaker 1: Ucla bringing pretty much everybody back. Are those your early
Speaker 1: favorites for next year's Final four? And who else is
Speaker 1: on the list?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think those would be my three favorites going in.
Speaker 2: You know, UCLA has got so much back, they now
Speaker 2: have the experience of being there. You know, you bring
Speaker 2: up Sarah Strong, how about Azy Fudd. I'm watching her
Speaker 2: playing like holy holy smokes. As she plays like this
Speaker 2: next year, she could be the number one pick in
Speaker 2: the draft. Next year they could have three numbers like
Speaker 2: Sarah Strong to me, but when she's a senior, depending
Speaker 2: on how everything you know is in the CBA, like,
Speaker 2: she could be the number one or pick page Backers
Speaker 2: obviously the number one pick. Asy Food could be the
Speaker 2: number one pick next year. So I think you kind
Speaker 2: is certainly dangerous South Carolina, and they'll have a different
Speaker 2: kind of a chip on their shoulder, of course, coming
Speaker 2: off of losing Ucla. And then let's let's see what
Speaker 2: Kim Bulk does. You know she always finds a way
Speaker 2: in Texas.
Speaker 1: Texas course, Madison Booker just getting better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know who's an interesting one is going
Speaker 2: to be Oklahoma. You know they return most of their
Speaker 2: pieces or many of their pieces, and they add Alias
Speaker 2: Chavez the number one recruit, and you mentioned UCLA, they
Speaker 2: get Sienna Betts, you know, Lauren's sisters. So uh yeah,
Speaker 2: there's there's going to be a lot of fun games
Speaker 2: for us to watch and cover next year.
Speaker 1: Sienna Bets was in the ESPN W suite with me
Speaker 1: and everyone else for that UCLA game. It was a
Speaker 1: little awkward. A lot of us were cheering for Yukon
Speaker 1: and Paige, and you know, it was kind of hard
Speaker 1: watching her watch her sister in that game where they struggled.
Speaker 1: But she was there.
Speaker 2: Because they told us she wasn't coming because she was
Speaker 2: going to be going to her prom.
Speaker 1: She was there.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Well hopefully her.
Speaker 1: Prom was like maybe a different day. Maybe she was
Speaker 1: able to Yeah, let's hope. So uh okay, you mentioned it.
Speaker 1: So I want to ask really quick, do you think
Speaker 1: the CBA will end up allowing for players to make
Speaker 1: a decision about their future instead of having the same
Speaker 1: age in your eligibility rules for entering the double Draft.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know that it will, and
Speaker 2: even if it does, I don't know that it'll impact
Speaker 2: the women's game all that much because the players right now,
Speaker 2: the top players, the ones who might want to leave early,
Speaker 2: are because of NIL, you know, making such a nice living,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean you see Olivia Miles choosing to
Speaker 2: go back for NIL instead of go to the w NBA.
Speaker 2: I would think a player like Juju Watkins, you know,
Speaker 2: and how she's beloved in the LA community. Unless LA
Speaker 2: the Sparks got the number one pick, and you're like,
Speaker 2: all right, I gotta go out early to ensure that
Speaker 2: I go here. So it's one thing that the league
Speaker 2: has protected for the last twenty eight years was sort
Speaker 2: of understanding how important it is for these women to
Speaker 2: build their brand in college. So I would expect it
Speaker 2: to go that route. But even if it doesn't, I
Speaker 2: can't imagine it would be as drastic as a one
Speaker 2: and done. Yeah. Yeah, maybe they let them come out
Speaker 2: after a junior year.
Speaker 1: But their rookie contracts are going to change too. It
Speaker 1: is anticipated that they'll be coming into a lot more
Speaker 1: money in the w than they have been for that
Speaker 1: first three year deal with a four year option that
Speaker 1: they're going to want to, you know, maybe have a
Speaker 1: little bit more of a consideration there. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think to a degree.
Speaker 2: To a degree, seric is keep in mind, it's the
Speaker 2: veterans that are negotiating, and the veterans protect the veterans
Speaker 2: more than they protect the rookies. That's the way it's
Speaker 2: always been. So even if some of the higher end
Speaker 2: salaries are going to go way up, and of course
Speaker 2: the rookies will to a degree, it's not going to
Speaker 2: be like a rookie is going to be coming in.
Speaker 2: I don't imagine making a million dollars if they're the
Speaker 2: number one pick.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the draft this upcoming Monday.
Speaker 1: An incredibly fast turnaround for the players in the final four.
Speaker 1: What's the biggest challenge you think, specifically for the pagebackers
Speaker 1: and the Taina powepals who barely unpacked from Tampa at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 2: Any sleep at all? I Mean, every time I look
Speaker 2: on Instagram, I see you know, pages on, you know fallon,
Speaker 2: she's you know, good morning America. Like their life right
Speaker 2: now is such an incredible whirlwind. And and what's hard
Speaker 2: too is, you know, they want to experience the last
Speaker 2: month of their college life. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of fun things to do in the spring of your
Speaker 2: last year in college, but at the same time being
Speaker 2: pulled in a million directions. But I'm sure for all
Speaker 2: of them, it's a huge relief to finally know where
Speaker 2: you're going. You know, there's such I mean Page No,
Speaker 2: it's Page nows. She's going to Dallas, Tahina. Probably has
Speaker 2: no idea right now where she's going to end up.
Speaker 2: And so it's the first time really in these young players'
Speaker 2: lives where they do not choose where they go, you know,
Speaker 2: and did you get to choose which AAU team you
Speaker 2: play for, you get to choose which college you go to,
Speaker 2: or multiple colleges that you go to, And this is
Speaker 2: going to be the first time where that is completely
Speaker 2: out of a player's control. So sure they're like, all right,
Speaker 2: let's get the draft here, let me know where I'm going,
Speaker 2: and then like kind of figure out the next what
Speaker 2: four or five weeks before training camp starts.
Speaker 1: Last year, Caitlin Clark's moved to the w prompted some
Speaker 1: pretty uninformed conversations about being a rookie. As Dana Trossi said,
Speaker 1: reality's coming for you, which was true and we saw
Speaker 1: it with our own eyes. The turnover, the timing with
Speaker 1: teammates you just met that wasn't there yet. But obviously,
Speaker 1: with a little time and experience, Caitlin eventually excelled at
Speaker 1: the next level. What parts of the game do you
Speaker 1: think take the most time for these new players entering
Speaker 1: the league to figure out.
Speaker 2: I think it's a primary ball handler like Caitlin, where
Speaker 2: you can get you know, you're getting blitzed or double
Speaker 2: teamed on ball screens. And maybe you got that to
Speaker 2: a degree in college, but it wasn't from six to
Speaker 2: Alissa Thomas as one of the people coming out at you.
Speaker 2: So I think the primary ball handlers, that's one thing.
Speaker 2: For the bigger post players, it's the physicality of the league.
Speaker 2: I think the rhythm of the league as well. I
Speaker 2: mean they've added games. This is a forty four game
Speaker 2: regular season this year, but we haven't added time to it.
Speaker 2: So back to backs in different cities, you know, three
Speaker 2: games in five days. Those are the sort of things
Speaker 2: that are really hard on a player's body. So that's
Speaker 2: a piece of it, the physicality and the speed of
Speaker 2: the league, the rhythm of it. But what all players
Speaker 2: do enjoy is they can they just have practice and
Speaker 2: rest and you know, appearances there they don't have to
Speaker 2: go to class anymore. They don't have the stress of
Speaker 2: studying for exams and all that sort of thing. But
Speaker 2: it's the pace, the physicality, the rhythm of it is
Speaker 2: what takes an adjustment for all these young guys.
Speaker 1: And it feels like the professionalism is already there at
Speaker 1: the collegiate level at this point, whether that's the business
Speaker 1: deals for nil to the expectations from coaches and teammates
Speaker 1: for your schedule and everything else. But finally it's sort
Speaker 1: of a reversal of things. The WNBA is catching up
Speaker 1: to college in terms of like facilities and resources. For
Speaker 1: such a long time, that was one thing that players
Speaker 1: had to adjust to with sometimes being much better treated,
Speaker 1: flying better, better resources, training facilities, everything at the college level.
Speaker 1: But thankfully that's changing at the w Is there still
Speaker 1: a little bit of that that they have to adjust to,
Speaker 1: or maybe just being up an adult who's in charge
Speaker 1: of themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think some of it is dependent on franchise.
Speaker 2: You know, some franchises are in the process of you know,
Speaker 2: we're seeing the renderings of the Dallas practice facility or
Speaker 2: New York's practice facility. But certainly the adjustment now with
Speaker 2: the charter flights is much much easier than it was
Speaker 2: for you know, players who hadn't flown commercially, you know,
Speaker 2: their entire than their entire college career, you know. But
Speaker 2: like it's that's a big piece of it too, is
Speaker 2: like you have a lot more time now and when
Speaker 2: you oftentimes, like when you're in college and you go
Speaker 2: on a road trip, you know you have they give
Speaker 2: you your itinerary. You know, you where you're supposed to be.
Speaker 2: You're having team meals together, and you're with other people
Speaker 2: who are about your age. And that was one of
Speaker 2: the big things for me my early in my pro
Speaker 2: career is like you're on your own on the road,
Speaker 2: you find your own meals and like this person's off
Speaker 2: with their husband or partner and this person's like, you know,
Speaker 2: talking to their child and I'm, you know, twenty three
Speaker 2: years old, Like wait a minute, what's going on here?
Speaker 2: So that piece of it is something to navigate too.
Speaker 2: What you need is one you need one teammate who
Speaker 2: you really get along with, who you go to meals with.
Speaker 2: You you need what I have now with my Ryan
Speaker 2: and Holland Yeah, like because it's so much time friends
Speaker 2: and family you need one road dog. And if you
Speaker 2: have that one person, and if you know you both
Speaker 2: like the same shows, you both like to read whatever
Speaker 2: it is, you desperately need that one person to make
Speaker 2: it all easier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think sometimes teams certainly look to that.
Speaker 1: You know, Connor Bedard in the Blackhawks here in Chicago
Speaker 1: was eighteen when he joined the team, and they were
Speaker 1: going to give him a roommate at first, and he
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm all right, but like they ended
Speaker 1: up putting in a building with some vets that also
Speaker 1: lived in the building. The building has like the kind
Speaker 1: of amenities that you don't have to leave to really
Speaker 1: do anything, because it's tough to be a kid who's
Speaker 1: suddenly living in a new city alone. And so I
Speaker 1: think teams usually are pretty good about figuring out how
Speaker 1: to at least kind of put you around other people
Speaker 1: that will help you learn just how to be an adult.
Speaker 1: Do you being a dentist and.
Speaker 2: You know, like and that's a piece of it too,
Speaker 2: Like you know, as the medities get better, that includes
Speaker 2: like dentists and doctors, all those all those like insurance.
Speaker 2: They have to like you when you're in college, like
Speaker 2: all of your medical stuff is taken care of.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Now that you're a pro, like you you need an
Speaker 2: insurance card if you go to the doctor, you better
Speaker 2: have that a near on you, you know. So like it's
Speaker 2: just it's just different.
Speaker 1: Last couple here, How do you see pagebackers game translating
Speaker 1: to the pros.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to translate beautifully. I think it's
Speaker 2: going to translate beautifully. I thought Caitlyn's was going to
Speaker 2: translate beautifully as well, and it did. It just took
Speaker 2: some time for her to adjust to it all. But
Speaker 2: you know, Page can get to any spot on the floor.
Speaker 2: We've seen her navigate pick and roll so well she
Speaker 2: you know, will she experience some of the defensive attention
Speaker 2: that Caitlyn did. Yes, but she's going to have a
Speaker 2: rique alongside or so, you know, no double teams are
Speaker 2: coming off a RIQUE. So I think her game and
Speaker 2: I think the efficiency part of it will translate as well.
Speaker 2: I mean that that's the part that that was not
Speaker 2: talked about nearly enough. If it wasn't for her, you know,
Speaker 2: in the last three or four games missing some free throws,
Speaker 2: she would have been our first fifty to forty ninety
Speaker 2: player who led the nation and assist the turnover ratio
Speaker 2: like it's ridiculous, and I think her efficiency will translate.
Speaker 2: I think it'll actually be a good sign if her
Speaker 2: efficiency decreases a little bit, because that'll mean she's hunting
Speaker 2: shots more. But her personality, her teammates are going to
Speaker 2: love her. She's going to fit in seamlessly to what
Speaker 2: Dallas already has. And she has such a varied skill
Speaker 2: set already a really good defender, has put on weight
Speaker 2: since she got to college, gotten stronger. I think she's
Speaker 2: going to be at a high level really really quickly.
Speaker 1: And it's just fund seeing the Dallas players so excited
Speaker 1: for her to get there because they know she's covered,
Speaker 1: so they're Yeah. Among the projected top picks, we've got
Speaker 1: French Unicorn, the six to six, Dominique Malongo, We've got
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, Guard, Sonya Citron usc Big Kiki Eria Fen
Speaker 1: Tcu guard, Hayley Van Liz, Let's use Anissa Moro. Those
Speaker 1: are some big names. Who are a few players that
Speaker 1: you think will make an immediate impact in the w
Speaker 1: you see playing time right away.
Speaker 2: That really depends on where they go, right you know,
Speaker 2: So if you Connecticut as back to back picks in
Speaker 2: the middle of the first round that would be in
Speaker 2: real players. No players, Yeah, I mean they lost their
Speaker 2: starting five. And that's the put up part that can
Speaker 2: be hard for kids on draft day. Do not worry
Speaker 2: about where you go. You know, you want to go
Speaker 2: somewhere where you're going to have an opportunity one to
Speaker 2: make the team and then to to to be able
Speaker 2: to play. And so players going and not only Dallas
Speaker 2: because obviously Page is going to play right away, but
Speaker 2: they have picks twelve and fourteen. Twelve and fourteen can
Speaker 2: both make that Dallas roster and have an opportunity to
Speaker 2: compete to be in the rotation. So that's the kind
Speaker 2: of the piece that we're all watching too, not just
Speaker 2: you know who goes where. And by the way, Malonga
Speaker 2: is an incredible talent. I encourage people to google her
Speaker 2: and watch video of her because holy cow, she could
Speaker 2: be pretty incredible in Seattle. So I think Page and
Speaker 2: Malonga are two. I think Citron again, you know, projected
Speaker 2: to Washington. Well, that's another place you want to go,
Speaker 2: because you want to go to a team that's rebuilding
Speaker 2: and wants to invest playing time in their younger pieces,
Speaker 2: you know so, you would it be great for whoever
Speaker 2: goes thirteen to Vegas because you're going to get to compete. Yes,
Speaker 2: Are you going to get much playing time?
Speaker 1: Probably not.
Speaker 2: You're you're seen as a player for the future, which
Speaker 2: will be great for you as long as you're ready
Speaker 2: to assume that role, you know so, so we'll see,
Speaker 2: you know, those are the all of the pieces that
Speaker 2: fall into place. That's that's pretty exciting.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's going to be just so much
Speaker 1: excitement heading into that season with the Valkyries getting started,
Speaker 1: with the pagebackers and these young players we've been watching
Speaker 1: all season long getting their first crack at the pro games.
Speaker 1: So we're just so pumped. Thanks so much for helping
Speaker 1: us get ready for it, and thanks so much for
Speaker 1: looking back at what was an incredible college season. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, Thanks so much to Rebecca for joining us again.
Speaker 1: We got to take another break when we return, but
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Speaker 1: the college hoops season is over, which means the WNBA
Speaker 1: season is rapidly approaching, and after a twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: season that saw all but three of the league's twelve
Speaker 1: teams led by women coaches, Twenty twenty five will start
Speaker 1: with six men at the head of the bench. Five
Speaker 1: female coaches, including two of the three black women in charge,
Speaker 1: lost their head coaching gigs in twenty twenty four. Four
Speaker 1: of those women were replaced by men. Indiana Stephanie White
Speaker 1: is the outlier. She parted ways with the Connecticut Sun
Speaker 1: and then was named the head coach of the Indiana Fever.
Speaker 1: For a league whose players have long champion diversity and
Speaker 1: inclusion and where more than seventy percent identify as players
Speaker 1: of color per the latest TIDES report, and we're an
Speaker 1: extreme majority of those folks identify as women. These coaching
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, eight time All Star and two time
Speaker 1: Champ Lisa Leslie interviewed for two different head coaching vacancies
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