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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: and our buddy Baldy. Here, Baldy, We've got we got

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Speaker 1: some games we want to jam through, so we'll we'll

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Speaker 1: jump right to it. So why don't we start first off,

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Speaker 1: Let's go first game where you were at. Let's jump

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Speaker 1: into that buffalo flow. Just say it was a Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen show. Yeah he didn't.

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Speaker 2: Nobody played well against Buying me the week before, but

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Speaker 2: they still have they have major issues defending the run.

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Speaker 2: You saw Sean Tucker and you know, Rashad White have

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Speaker 2: a pretty good day. But Josh Allen was on his

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Speaker 2: game like they You know, he counted for six touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: he ran for three. They couldn't stop him in the

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Speaker 2: run game. He threw for three. You know, he got

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Speaker 2: the ball to his backs. Ty Johnson is a really

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Speaker 2: actually talking, it's interesting, I'm curious what both of you think.

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Speaker 2: You know in this new formation we see around the

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Speaker 2: league where the running back is spread wide, but he's

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Speaker 2: I was talking to Levante about it, like what are

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Speaker 2: they doing? What all they're trying to do is just

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Speaker 2: got a riot of waves that he can go. And

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Speaker 2: they got Ty Johnson, you know, on a you know,

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Speaker 2: his own pressure from uh Todd Bowles, and he got

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Speaker 2: Josh saw it right away and put it right on him.

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Speaker 2: Buffalo looked like they could get back into this AFC

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Speaker 2: East race. They still play the New England again at

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Speaker 2: their place. Like the way that they played offensively, even

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Speaker 2: with Kean Coleman down and all Dalton and k down,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it didn't make a difference. Josh was just

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: To me, this was Josh Allen going back into superhero mode.

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Speaker 4: And he's done a really good job the last couple

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Speaker 4: of regular seasons of picking and choosing. When he kind

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Speaker 4: of gets into that, hey, I'll take over the game.

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Speaker 4: I do everything on my own, he tries to save

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Speaker 4: it kind of like my home, saves himself for the

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Speaker 4: postseason to stretch run in those things.

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Speaker 3: But I steel, like he says, is that it's situation critical.

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Speaker 4: I may need to do a little more, and that's

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Speaker 4: what they had to do because he had to do everything.

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Speaker 4: Run it, throw it, make every play. To me, this

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Speaker 4: is the only way that Buffalo can win. They're not

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Speaker 4: good enough for they're not solid enough in all the

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Speaker 4: areas to be able to dominate a team.

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Speaker 3: So they need number seventeen to put a.

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Speaker 4: Cape on each and every week to find a way

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Speaker 4: to get them into the Winter Circle.

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Speaker 2: You know it, it's down the field before the game,

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Speaker 2: and you know in Buffalo, the flag one flag is

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Speaker 2: going this way, the other flag's going this way. It's

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Speaker 2: just gusty, right, and you know, I'm watching Josh throw

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Speaker 2: problem like throwing through the winds Ryosh, And he's like, nah,

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Speaker 2: I go tell me some of the guys you're gonna

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Speaker 2: throw to. He goes, Oh, we've got a bunch of dudes.

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Speaker 2: We'll be fine today.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: Like honestly, like he was just that casual, you know,

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Speaker 2: and did it, you know, in a kind of a

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Speaker 2: shootout game. It was really good to the very end.

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Speaker 2: I mean Baker was like Baker was competitive as hell.

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Speaker 2: You know, it was really a good quarterback duel. Going

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Speaker 2: back to that twenty eighteen draft, DJ, that was pretty

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Speaker 2: fun watching those guys go at it.

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Speaker 1: Like that and no question. And I'm thinking about Josh

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Speaker 1: and I was, you know, a bigger picture discussion. We

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Speaker 3: But I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: I've seen one flawless team or one team that I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a freak man. He is a great, great player.

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Speaker 1: But again, Buck, we always talk about how certain gms.

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Speaker 4: He certainly has, and being able to have successful ground

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Speaker 4: attacks is really a big part of what they're going

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Speaker 4: to need to make the run that they want to

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Speaker 4: by running the football, that kind of milking the clock

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Speaker 3: But Baldy's right.

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Speaker 4: You guys are right about Tristan Wurf's and their ability

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Speaker 1: Doesn't get enough credit for how special he is, no question, Baldie,

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Speaker 1: put it that way. Detroit, Philly, what do you think.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was stuck in the airport last night, so

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Speaker 2: made immediate dividends, I mean return on investment. And then

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Speaker 2: Jalen Carter is healthy. Now you know, Jordan Dave's been

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Speaker 1: Jo is a Jobo's turnament, a really good player.

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Speaker 2: I mean he just took you know, rut Ledge right,

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Speaker 2: Carter finished it. But they physically, I mean, they just

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Speaker 2: it's just unwatchable their offense. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: they don't turn the ball over, and you know, they'll

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Speaker 2: just they'll win these games ten to seven, you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, boy, that came away watching it that defensively, they're

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Speaker 4: teams to beat them. You talked about the additions, Jalen

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Speaker 4: The thing about it was Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter

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Speaker 3: Everything is out of source.

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Speaker 3: This is a complex. They're not doing anything elaborate.

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Speaker 4: It's just, man, this team just brought some kick butt

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Speaker 4: and they just put it on them.

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Speaker 1: You know, I always love trying to put phrases together

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Speaker 1: on stuff that you watch Buck, I've been doing that forever.

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Speaker 1: We always have fun with it. But I was looking

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Speaker 1: the phrase I came up with. I'm like, they got

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Speaker 1: They got guys like A Joemo and B G. Brandon

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Speaker 1: there's fastballs coming at you. Whether it's Nolan Smith Jalen Phillips,

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Speaker 1: But that's a fastball. Then you look inside you get

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Speaker 1: another one. Dude. You talk about quickness and explosiveness. Jalen Carter,

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Speaker 1: his ability, his lateral ability, it's like he teleports from

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Speaker 1: the firm, but it's like everybody that they have Baldy

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Speaker 2: Well, Philadelphians don't like this, but they're the broad Street bullies, man.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know what reserved for hockey, but they're

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Speaker 2: just the broad Street bullies right now. And that's what

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Speaker 2: did it to Green Bay in Detroit, the NFC North, right,

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Speaker 2: the two leaders in the NFC North in a six

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, Baldi.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was just.

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Speaker 5: He was in Atlanta. He wasn't even drafted, was he.

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Speaker 5: He's everywhere like he does everything. He's just one of

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Speaker 2: He does everything fundamentally sound and you just watch him.

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Speaker 2: He's he's all over the field. He leads the team

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Speaker 1: All right, Baldi, he want some Nate Lambman. Scaley's give

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Speaker 1: me some meat, all right, Nate Lambman, this is what

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Speaker 1: I this is my accoum. And I say he's got

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Speaker 1: But to me, you got somebody who's you know, you

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Speaker 1: You know instincts. He just didn't he just didn't run.

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Speaker 2: But even in Atlanta's two years in Atlanta, he had

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Speaker 1: Now, Gavin filled it in there. Bucks Zimbabwe and dad

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look a great break around. But DJ,

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Speaker 4: Culturally, it's the expectations that you put on the young

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Speaker 4: We're gonna coach everybody and if you don't make it,

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Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, they went from they you know, that's the

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Speaker 1: This was a big one in the AFC. West Man Denver.

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Speaker 2: biggest players. I mean, he got the interception on a

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Speaker 2: scrambled drill where Mahomes as Mitchell for a touchdown They're

436
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Speaker 2: going to take the lead in the third quarter, he

437
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Speaker 2: intercepts it. He he sacks Mahomes, you know, towards the

438
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Speaker 2: end of the game, when it's nineteen nineteen, it's tied,

439
00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,600
Speaker 2: you know, it's Mahomes time. He comes off the edge

440
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Speaker 2: corner cat like a bat out of hell, and so

441
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Speaker 2: you know, the defense rows up, you know, and bow

442
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Speaker 2: Nicks can struggle for a long stretch of a lot

443
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Speaker 2: of games, but he seems to be clutch when they

444
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Speaker 2: need him to be clutch.

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Speaker 5: And he and he was again on Sunday.

446
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Speaker 3: You know, here's the thinking about both Nicks.

447
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Speaker 4: Boennicks has five game winning drives fourth quarter comebacks this season.

448
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Speaker 4: And everyone will give the Broncos a tough time about

449
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Speaker 4: their offense and it being pedestrian and not explosive in

450
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Speaker 4: those things, and some of that is obviously true, but

451
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Speaker 4: also think that Sean Paigne leans into the dominance of

452
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Speaker 4: his defense and he understands how to win games. And

453
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Speaker 4: this was a game where I felt like the Broncos

454
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Speaker 4: didn't play well, but they were always in it and

455
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Speaker 4: they knew they could still it at the end.

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Speaker 3: And then you look up and bow Knicks makes a

457
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Speaker 3: couple of throws.

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Speaker 4: They kind of get down to it, they hit the

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Speaker 4: game winner, and they go and they vanquish the evil

460
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Speaker 4: o Umpire like they kind of drove a stake through

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Speaker 4: the heart of the Kansas City Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: And so give the Broncos credit. It has not been ugly.

463
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Speaker 4: I mean it's not been pretty at all, but man,

464
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Speaker 4: they just keep stacking wins and you look up the

465
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Speaker 4: right where they need to be. When we talk about

466
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Speaker 4: incontingent for the number one overall Sea, I.

467
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Speaker 1: Went through that game winning drive. And something that I've

468
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Speaker 1: always been a firm believer in and it drives me insane,

469
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Speaker 1: is that, you know, we always used to talk abally, hey,

470
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Speaker 1: first downs, not touchdowns, like that's the key to the

471
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Speaker 1: two minute drill, Like we're just worried about let's get

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Speaker 1: the first first down and then we go. But the

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Speaker 1: first play that they ran was a bubble and it

474
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, this is what we're just gonna see.

475
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Speaker 1: As Bucky always said, we don't see the ball go

476
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Speaker 1: through the hoop man, Let's just get a little completion.

477
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Speaker 1: We're going to get what we can get. But now

478
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Speaker 1: it's just there's a feeling as a quarterback, Okay, we

479
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Speaker 1: got something going. There's even if you're second and eight,

480
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Speaker 1: it's just different. Then you throw incomplete and you're like,

481
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Speaker 1: oh crap, it's all my it's second ten. Now now

482
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Speaker 1: we're kind of grinding. But I think even just the

483
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Speaker 1: simplicity of that show, Sean Payton kind of has an

484
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Speaker 1: overall awareness. And that's why you don't do this by accident.

485
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Speaker 1: We have this many come from behind wins.

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Speaker 2: He signed an accent. You know, he knows how to

487
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Speaker 2: set plays up and wait for certain situations when when

488
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Speaker 2: to call things. He knows the flow of the game

489
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Speaker 2: and where you're going to need to be, and I

490
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Speaker 2: think he just saved certain certain plays for situations like that.

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Speaker 5: And Bo Nicks.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Sean isn't the nicest guy to be around

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Speaker 2: on Wednesdays and Thursdays out there, but I'm sure that

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Speaker 2: Bo just has that thick skin too when he's making

495
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Speaker 2: sure that he understands the I know, just talking to

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Speaker 2: guys that have coached with Sean, like he has men

497
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Speaker 2: niacle about red zone offense. One reason why I read,

498
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Speaker 2: you know, Russell was gone, like they just didn't understand

499
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Speaker 2: just how just how on you have to be in

500
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Speaker 2: that part of the field. And that's you know, that

501
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Speaker 2: keeps him up late at night. But I thought he

502
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Speaker 2: saved some good plays at the end.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he says some good plays, but not only dad Man,

504
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Speaker 4: just his understanding.

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Speaker 3: You talk about how experience matters.

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Speaker 4: Experience and the expertise of clock management and game management.

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Speaker 4: That's where the veteran coaches can kind of steal things

508
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Speaker 4: from other than obviously any reason on the other side,

509
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Speaker 4: but Sean Payton's keen understanding of what we need to

510
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Speaker 4: do today to win the game comes out in his

511
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Speaker 4: play call in the way that he runs the entire operation.

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Speaker 1: Other thing I'll add on, you know these late drives

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Speaker 1: to win games. And we've seen it with Caleb Williams,

514
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Speaker 1: who will get to in a little bit who he

515
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Speaker 1: has five of these things as well. Think about Mahomes

516
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Speaker 1: and his late game magic he's had for his entire career.

517
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Speaker 1: There's always one play in that drive where your legs

518
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Speaker 1: come into it, whether or not you're going to scramble

519
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Speaker 1: and pick up the first down. This case, it was

520
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Speaker 1: third and fifteen, and he's able to buy some time

521
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Speaker 1: and able to get a nice conversion down the field

522
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Speaker 1: and then you have your opportunity with bald these reference

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Speaker 1: and you know, I love the phrase Ben Johnson used

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Speaker 1: this in their game last week where he talks about

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Speaker 1: hunting coverages, like I've got play calls around hunting a

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Speaker 1: certain coverage and if we if we get the coverage

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Speaker 1: we want, that's the play.

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Speaker 3: It's going to work.

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Speaker 1: So they run a switch release and he has a

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Speaker 1: seven route to Franklin to kind of to put them

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Speaker 1: in the field goal position to win the game. But

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Speaker 1: it was give you a completion early. Hey, you're going

533
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Speaker 1: to need to use your legs at some point in

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Speaker 1: time to help us convert and then hopefully eventually we're

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Speaker 1: going to hunt a coverage. We're gonna get the right

536
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Speaker 1: We're gonna get the right look from a defense. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna be able to cash in with the big chump

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Speaker 1: play that we need. But that seems to be the

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Speaker 1: formula and they've got it and Baldy, I mean, we

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Speaker 1: don't need to belabor it. But Kansas City's five hundre

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Speaker 1: right now. They got the Colts next week. Man like

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Speaker 1: they are in some real trouble here.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're three and a half games behind Denver. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to be in Kansas City Sunday. You know, the

545
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Speaker 2: Colts had a bye week, so they're going to be

546
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Speaker 2: rested and fresh. They're playing without you know, DeForest Buckner,

547
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Speaker 2: which is big loss defensively, but it's it's you know,

548
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Speaker 2: we'll uh like it. There are seasons on the line,

549
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: you know, because you're going to see other teams emerge

550
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Speaker 2: in the AFC right now that are are going to

551
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Speaker 2: be you know, I think Denver's gonna win the division

552
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Speaker 2: right now for the first time. Whatever it is you

553
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Speaker 2: know since Elway was probably there, Peyton Manning, I guess

554
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Speaker 2: it's been a long time, but I mean they're they're

555
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Speaker 2: in the driver's seat right now, in good shape, with

556
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Speaker 2: one up on Kansas City like that. One thing, one

557
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Speaker 2: real quick thing is like I remember at the trade

558
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Speaker 2: deadline two weeks ago, everybody was like, ah, you know,

559
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Speaker 2: Denver should go get a receiver. I'm like, maybe they should.

560
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, you look at Pat Bryant,

561
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Speaker 2: Troy Franklin and all these guys that they've drafted, like

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Speaker 2: they're all you know, I mean, I know Courtland Sutton

563
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Speaker 2: is their go to guy, but I mean all these

564
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Speaker 2: guys have stepped up, you know, at certain times, and

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Speaker 2: they've got they've got like a different role for all

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Speaker 2: of them, a defined role.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They spread the ball around. Man, it look that it's

569
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Speaker 1: worked and whatever they're doing is working. Buck Baltimore, Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Baltimore gets to win twenty three to sixteen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Really interesting in watching this game, man, for most of

573
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Speaker 4: the game, the Cleveland Browns were in control of this game.

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Speaker 3: I mean they were able to get it.

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Speaker 4: Done with their defense kind of leading away getting pick

576
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Speaker 4: six is Devin Bush takes a pick six back then

577
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Speaker 4: knocking them around and then you know, Dylan Gabriel gets hurt.

578
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Speaker 3: Shad Or Sanders comes in and he's not able to

579
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Speaker 3: move the offense, and that just.

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Speaker 4: Gave the Ravens enough time to kind of work their

581
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Speaker 4: way back into the mix. Not a pretty performers, But

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Speaker 4: I would say the thing that stood out to me

583
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Speaker 4: was the push play. That the trick where they spin

584
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Speaker 4: up on their Mark Andrews comes out the back door.

585
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Speaker 3: A great play.

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Speaker 4: We've seen other teams use different things, and it's the

587
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Speaker 4: always Enever so often in football we talked about, hey,

588
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Speaker 4: they always do this, they never do that, And in

589
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Speaker 4: breaking the tendency, they found a way to get a

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Speaker 4: game winning touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Because they did something that wasn't on the play card

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Speaker 3: for the Browns.

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Speaker 2: That's great, great point bucket because they they had run

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Speaker 2: that play on their touch push with Mark Andrews a

595
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Speaker 2: number of times over the last two years and to

596
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Speaker 2: be able to pull that one out like that, and

597
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Speaker 2: I'm sure Cleveland was not expecting that, So they broke

598
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: that tendency really good. But you know this this, I

599
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: guess if you're you know, if you're in that building,

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Speaker 2: DJ you know a month ago when you're one in

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Speaker 2: five and you're in the crypt and they're thinking, how

602
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Speaker 2: the hell are we going to get out of this?

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Speaker 2: You know, and Pittsburgh is rolling at that time, and

604
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Speaker 2: if you just defensively, like they got Rokwon back and

605
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 2: they got healthier, and Kyle Hamilton is just everywhere now,

606
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Speaker 2: like they got their guys back on the field, Like

607
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: that defense has been carrying them, you know, going back

608
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Speaker 2: to the Chicago win when Nate Wiggins intercepted the ball

609
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Speaker 2: in Caleb at the end of the game when it

610
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Speaker 2: was tied. The defense is making these plays right now

611
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Speaker 2: to keep them going because the offense still doesn't look great.

612
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Speaker 2: It doesn't look playoff ready yet. But they've got time

613
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Speaker 2: right now. I mean, they've got two games with Pittsburgh

614
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Speaker 2: coming up and it's going to decide the division.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the schedule set up for him going

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Speaker 1: back through it here. So when they're sitting at one

617
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: and five, after that, they had Chicago, which was going

618
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Speaker 1: to be tough for him, and the score looks lopsided

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Speaker 1: because of that late interception. That was a very close

620
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Speaker 1: game which they got. And once they got that first game, okay,

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Speaker 1: Miami twenty eight to six. You get Minnesota, who was

622
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Speaker 1: not in a good spot, twenty seven to nineteen. They

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Speaker 1: win this game against Cleveland, They've got the Jets, they've

624
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Speaker 1: got the Bengals, They've got Pittsburgh and the Bengals again.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the next time they're going to play a

626
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Speaker 1: team that's that you could say is really rolling, is

627
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Speaker 1: going to be New England and who knows what they

628
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: are at that point time, but that's not until December

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Speaker 1: twenty first, So really from you know, after losing on

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Speaker 1: October twelfth, the schedule was their friend there, and I

631
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Speaker 1: think that's got to give you a little confidence. Once

632
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: they got that first one, they just need to get

633
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: that Chicago game, and then the defense started playing better,

634
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Speaker 1: and now it's they're set up.

635
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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't look at any the odd stuff,

637
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Speaker 1: but I would imagine they probably hear the favorite even

638
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: though they're you know, trailing. That's been right now. Yeah,

639
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: So I mean it's all lined up for him Buck.

640
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: I do want to mention two things real quick. Kyle

641
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: Hamilton told Baldy about this one this morning. That was

642
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: fun to watch. Nine tackles, a sack, three TFLs. There's

643
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Speaker 1: one he comes downhill in Stone's Potonio knocks him back

644
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: three yards and make a play. Then you'll see him

645
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: out in space, avoid a block and make a tackle.

646
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: You'll see him rush over the center. They line them

647
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Speaker 1: up over the center and he just wins immediately and

648
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: ends up spinning off and getting a sack. Then he's

649
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: backside on a runaway and they don't account for him.

650
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: He closes the back door, makes a tackle. Like guys everywhere, Man,

651
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Speaker 1: he does so many different things.

652
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: Bucky, let me ask you this, because how do you

653
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: design the defense with the guy that can be that

654
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: is that versatile Where he had is it just complete

655
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: freedom within the scheme to line up on the center

656
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: and do this or you know to you know, he'll

657
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: he'll be in the A gap and next thing you know,

658
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: he's in deep center field.

659
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 5: And like just the way that they use them.

660
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: It's just there's really maybe imam worry with Mike McDonald

661
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: over time can get like that. But there's really the

662
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: most unique defensive player in this league right now.

663
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: No, I've never really seen anything like you.

664
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: You talk about that hybrid position and what you can

665
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 4: do and being able to pounce around. I think it

666
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: takes a player who has a unique skill set. It

667
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 4: takes a player who also has a high i Q

668
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: to do all the different things they're asking them to do.

669
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: And then there has to be the want to desire,

670
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: like I want to be special.

671
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 4: And what special players do is they do these other

672
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 4: things to elevate the play of their team.

673
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: Theyson his ability to.

674
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 4: Go to that spot and right after that spot, you

675
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 4: saw the defense quickly repair yourself. And that's what they've

676
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 4: been able to do. And it also takes a village

677
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 4: and a supporting cast. You talk about the trade that

678
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 4: they get, the free safety coming over, you think about

679
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: the other guys, Malachot starrksmen to play his role in

680
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 4: the back end, and all the pieces of the puzzle

681
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 4: coming together. But yeah, man, you talk about a difference maker,

682
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 4: game changer sods.

683
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I see a very similar thing with Derwin.

684
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: You Darwin's roll and locked in, Derwin draws a lot

685
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: of attention. Now, difference is Darwin's got some good players

686
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: around him. He didn't have Rokwan Smith Like, there's other

687
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: guys that you got to really really account for there

688
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: in that front. But man, Kyle Hampton special player. And

689
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: then lastly on that game and then we'll keep it moving.

690
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: I mean, just because people are gonna ask you do

691
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: or gets in four of sixteen forty seven yards three

692
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: carries sixteen yards going through it. They start out nice,

693
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: get them, a little half roll got them completion, a

694
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: little sit route gets completion, and then you have the

695
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: poor decision, you know, and inaccurate ball gets picked another

696
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: one that Kyle Hamilton should have picked when he's trying

697
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: to throw across his body. I'm just trying to do

698
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: too much. The thing that I like the most about it,

699
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: And obviously the numbers are the numbers, but man, he

700
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: played aggressive. My thing is you get sometimes you get

701
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: young guys in there, they just want to think of

702
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: dunk the ball down like he was trying to be

703
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: aggressive and push the ball down the field, which is

704
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: definitely something you could work with baldly. My dad used

705
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: to always say, I'd rather rain in a thoroughbread than

706
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: have to kick a donkey in the butt, you know,

707
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: like that's a good thing to have there somebody that

708
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: wants to be aggressive versus trying to teach him to

709
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: be aggressive. And then the other thing I wrote down

710
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: is Buck He's just going to have to learn to

711
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: play without time and space, because when there's time and space,

712
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: he's a really pure thrower. He can really spend it.

713
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: He does a lot of good things. But as he

714
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: learned at Colorado, he can time and space can be

715
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: in short supply. And the difference is that's similar to Colorado.

716
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: The differences and you don't have Travis Hunter still creating

717
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: six yards of separation even though you're in a condensed pocket.

718
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: He's in condensed pockets and doesn't have that separation. That's

719
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: going to be an adjustment for him.

720
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a huge adjustment, and I think everyone is

721
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 4: right about in terms of what they saw like some good,

722
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 4: some bad things, some things that he can iron out

723
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 4: and work on. It'd be interesting if he gets a

724
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 4: start next week and he begets to take all of

725
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: the first team reps and gets all of that stuff

726
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 4: and he plays within a game plan that is built

727
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 4: specifically for him as opposed to running the Dylan Gabriel offense.

728
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 4: All those things that did, and then I would say

729
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 4: to him, like so many of these other young guys

730
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 4: that we see in around the league, whether it's Abduel

731
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 4: Carter or Kean Coben and those things. It's not the same,

732
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 4: but it is. Man, you got to be ready when

733
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 4: your chance comes, no matter what they say, no matter

734
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 4: how few reps you get, when your numbers call, it's

735
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 4: on you as a professional to be ready. And so

736
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 4: he has to be ready when he gets that opportunity

737
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 4: because sometimes that opportunity doesn't come back around, and so

738
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 4: you got to be able to take advantage.

739
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 3: Of it when you get your shot.

740
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: DJ just from a quarterback standpoint, he never threw to

741
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: a tight end at Colorado. The two best receivers are

742
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: tight ends in Cleveland. Like is that and he's not

743
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: getting any reps, But I mean the use of the

744
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: tight end. Hit the tight end on the crossing route

745
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: and you know that was a good throw. But I'm

746
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: just curious, is that like any kind of an adjustment

747
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: or is that just something that everybody adjusts to.

748
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: I have to pull up the numbers of the tape

749
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: in front of it. I remember in the preseason, I

750
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: remember him hitting a joke. If I'm not mistaken, I

751
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: remember him hitting some tight ends and making some place.

752
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: I think that'll be fine. I think he's gonna learn.

753
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: He's got to, you know, I talked about being aggressive.

754
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: He's going to have to hunt easier completions and those

755
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: are going to come with your tight ends and your backs,

756
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: which is what this offense really is. They don't have

757
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: real dudes out there, big time dudes. So you he's smart,

758
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: He's he's someone. I think that the difference between him

759
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: and Gabriel is I think Gabriel coming into this process

760
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: played so much ball that but his ceiling not become tight.

761
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: But like his ceiling was just much lower, and he

762
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: might already be closer to that to maximizing that. Whereas

763
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: we shoot, even though the numbers are the numbers, you

764
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: could see like there's a couple real close where they

765
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: just didn't quite bring it in down the field. But

766
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: like he's got some he could play at a higher

767
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: level if he gets to everything that he has. He

768
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: just can push the ball and he's just more a

769
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: little bit more dynamic of a thrower than Gabriel is.

770
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 3: Buck. Yeah.

771
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 4: And the thing that he has to do though is

772
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 4: he has to get used to the boring work. So

773
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 4: when you talk about the checkdowns to underneath things whatever,

774
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 4: like we've seen that Drew Brees did this for years.

775
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 4: Checked out underneath, checked out underneath, and as soon as

776
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 4: you deviated and came out the coverage, punish you with

777
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 4: a ball down the scene. Schaudure and a lot of

778
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 4: young quarterbacks they have to understand that patience, that discipline.

779
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 4: When you ran from the pocket, you got to take

780
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 4: the underneath stuff into the biggest stuff opens up naturally.

781
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 4: Maybe he'll have an opportunity to do it, maybe he

782
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 4: will buy into that. But yeah, what we saw is

783
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 4: the good and Baddes should do is saying this all

784
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 4: in one.

785
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, congratulations, you finally get You're

786
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: gonna get your opportunity as the weather's getting ready to

787
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: turn it, you know. Oh boy, man, Cleveland, there's no

788
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: where I'm having worked there. It gets later in the year,

789
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: not an easy place to throw the football. Baldi Chicago, Minnesota,

790
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: Chicago another comeback win mentioned earlier. That's five for Caleb

791
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: now to match Goo nixt nineteen seventeen. They get out

792
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: of Minnesota with a big win.

793
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: Well they did, and I haven't I haven't really studied

794
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: it yet, but I just know that Caleb, you know,

795
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: did not turn the ball over again and just watching

796
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: him over the last few weeks of this wind streak

797
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: that they're on, Like he's definitely thrown the ball on

798
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: timing much better than at any point last year. But

799
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: his athletic ability continues to show up. Like they're running

800
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: the ball really well, but he's a big part of

801
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: the runs, whether it's third down scrambles or designed a

802
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: couple of design runs, Like he's so talented to be

803
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: able to stay on his feet, he is a hard

804
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: guy to get to the ground. And I think the

805
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: line is really coming on and the way that they

806
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: use their tight ends, the way that they're setting up

807
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: their blocks right now. You know, DeAndre got back into

808
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 2: the fold and Manongay has been really really good for him,

809
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: and then Cale, Like they've got three guys that really

810
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: kind of spearhead the run game. I think that's where

811
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: it starts with Ben Johnson. It did when he was

812
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: in Detroit, and you could see the creativity is there

813
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: in the offense, but at the same time, the basics

814
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 2: of what they want to do and how they want

815
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: to control the line of scrimmage is very real. And

816
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: then just defensively, like Kevin Byern has always taken the

817
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: ball away in this business. Like he's got thirty I

818
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: think thirty five or thirty six career interceptions. He did

819
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: the same thing Middle Tennessee State. But I thought I

820
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 2: thought he was on his way out of the league.

821
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: He was bounced around a couple of teams. He was

822
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: in Philly, wasn't very good. Like he's gotten to Chicago

823
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: and he's got himself a home there right now, and

824
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: he's making a difference on the back end of that defense.

825
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

826
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 4: You know what's what's interesting because you talked about Chicago

827
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 4: so much of our time we spent on Ben Johnson,

828
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 4: But Dennis Alla's done a really good job of cleaning

829
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 4: up some of the issues that they've had defensively. I

830
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 4: wasn't talking about Buyer and those guys to keeping the

831
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 4: ball in front and not letting the beat deep ball

832
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 4: go over the top of the defense, not letting it

833
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 4: go outside. And when you take that and you take

834
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 4: what Ben Johnson is doing offensively.

835
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 3: Exotic smash box is what I want to call it.

836
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: They want to do the bills and whistlesdn't have all

837
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 4: the bizazs, but at the end of the day, they

838
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 4: want to be a physical team, and so they're beginning

839
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 4: to believe that that formula, that recipe that works for everybody.

840
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: Run at play, good defense.

841
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 4: Score, when you can kick field goals, do all those things,

842
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 4: you can win a lot of games. And as this

843
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 4: team gains more confidence in their leader.

844
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: May be a very very day just seemed in the stretch.

845
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: And I think any like, I think I think Chicago

846
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: lead the league in takeaways.

847
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 5: I think they're at twenty two right now.

848
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: Yes, and you think the ball away twenty two times

849
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 2: in ten games whatever it is right now, Like.

850
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 5: That's a pretty that's a pretty good pace.

851
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: You're winning the turnover battle most weeks if you're you're

852
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: at twenty two takeaways.

853
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think when you look at the interception leaders,

854
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: they got like three of the top four something like

855
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: that in the league. In terms of the picks offensively,

856
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: one of the things I wanted to look at here

857
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: because I'm just curious. I don't know that there's a

858
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: better you know, one two punch at tight end than

859
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: they have right now with Comet and Lovelin, And I

860
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: just want to see usage wise, like how they're how

861
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: they differentiate from each other, and really Comets just like

862
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: been the safety valve. He's just going to be there

863
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: waiting for Caleb and the flat you want an easy completion,

864
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: He's there for you. He's going to be where he

865
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: needs to be. He gives you a nice, big target,

866
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: presents himself well, and then Lovelin gives you a little

867
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: more sizzle, a little more pop to be able to

868
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: get down the field, get down the seams. And the

869
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: other thing is and this is not just with him,

870
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: and I know I believe that they worked on this.

871
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: I heard that they'd worked on this in the bye

872
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: and it's shown up the last couple of weeks. They're

873
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: getting better in the scrambled drill. And if you haven't

874
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: played with a quarterback who can stay alive as long

875
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: as Caleb has, you're not going to understand. You know

876
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: the ins and outs of that. That's not an easy thing. Bucky,

877
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: You've played the position, so I know you can speak

878
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: to this. But being able to stay alive, being able

879
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: to give him something when he's creating time. Loveland's a real,

880
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: real athletic and he's able to on those broken plays separate,

881
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: get where he needs to be, present himself well and

882
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: gives him some give them some big plays but I

883
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: love that one two punch, and I think this team

884
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: is figuring out how to play with Caleb week by week.

885
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, here's the thing.

886
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 4: When I was going all the way back to Green Bay,

887
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: when braand Flau was in the middle of his three

888
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 4: MVP run, we would have scrambled drill periods where everything

889
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 4: was intentional. He's going to scramble and you would give

890
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 4: the wide receivers rules. If you're coming across the field,

891
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 4: you work across to get into a sideline. If you're

892
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 4: doing something coming back to the quarterback, you automatically turn up.

893
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 4: And every week, once or twice a week, you've worked

894
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 4: on those things.

895
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 3: So it's not by design. It's an organized chaos.

896
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 4: That least, when you think about the big plays that

897
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: show up, those sick and reaction plays, the defender just.

898
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: Gets lost in the sauce what he's been doing since

899
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: Maomes came into the league.

900
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 4: If you coordinated in the scrambled drew, you talk about

901
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 4: the explosive plays that you can generate.

902
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 3: You're beginning to see that with.

903
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears, Baldy, we had another move the sticks bowl.

904
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Bucky has been kicking my tail. I mean

905
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: app State beating North Carolina once. Chargers I think maybe

906
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: have gotten Jacksonville once. I don't know, they have to

907
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: go back and look at it.

908
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 3: No, I think that, Yeah, the Jags are undefeated against

909
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: somehow Yeah so.

910
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the jack So he's only with the Jags

911
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: Chargers thing with our little side gigs and Carolina has

912
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: been kicking our tail. I mean, and this one was

913
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: a beat down thirty five or six.

914
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 3: Man.

915
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, they've had they've They've they've been the spoiler

916
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 2: a couple of times, you know, over the last decade.

917
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 2: I guess you got to still celebrate those big wins

918
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 2: that they've had.

919
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Buck, I mean this was forty seven runs for

920
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety two yards. Herbert, you know, threw

921
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: for eighty one yards on a pick. I'll talk on

922
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: the Chargers to that side real real quick, and I'll

923
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: get to the Jag side. But you know, charger wise,

924
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to figure them out. They're going to

925
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: the by. They looked a little tired, they looked a

926
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: little the fargic. And I'm not making any excuses for him,

927
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 1: but just I watched that tape right after I watched

928
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: the Philly tape and you watched the Philly Biggs and

929
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: how they were chasing and running. Now, the time of

930
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: possession was hugely in their favor for the jag So

931
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: I think that that group got a little bit tired

932
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: for the Chargers. But they were matching with two bigs

933
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: to a team that really wanted to run the ball.

934
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: So you got two bigs and two stand up edge guys.

935
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: At one of the Bigs at times was a boy

936
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: b who's not the biggest guy in the world. They

937
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: I just didn't think they had enough beef out there

938
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: and got kind of pushed around and moved around a

939
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: little bit, and then some misalignment stuff against some three

940
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: tight ends and they I mean, look, Liam Cohen got

941
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: them last year with Tampa and then ran the ball

942
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: down their throats and did it again this time with Jacksonville.

943
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: So you know that was that side of the ball

944
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: and the other side of the ball. Offensively, two of

945
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: the first three pass attempts, Herbert just smokes smokes quick

946
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: screens out to wide receivers like they did against Pittsburgh

947
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: the week before and never went back to it. So

948
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: you're either as the Chargers, you're going to force the

949
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: opposing corners to tackle your receivers quickly in space, or

950
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: you're going to try and play from the pocket and

951
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: you're going to ask your offensive tackles who are not

952
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: your starters to block edge rushers like that's their options.

953
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: And I don't know that that was the right choice

954
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: in that game.

955
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it was interesting in this game, DJ coming

956
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 4: on the heels of this, and I.

957
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: Got to give you reference.

958
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 4: So when the Jags blow to lead twenty nine to

959
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 4: ten last week against the Houston Texans, Liam Cohen in

960
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 4: the staff they go into the locker room and they talked.

961
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: About, hey man, we got to own this. You have

962
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: to own it. There's no running from it. You have

963
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 3: to own it.

964
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 4: You got to figure out how to learn the lesson

965
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 4: to apply it. And I feel like for every coach

966
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 4: there's always a crossroads where you have to make a

967
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 4: decision on whether you're going to double down to your philosophy.

968
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 3: Or you're gonna change.

969
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 4: And this was the game that was a crossroads game

970
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 4: where Liam Cohen had talked about being a physical football team,

971
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 4: a running football team in those things and against the

972
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 4: bullies that the charges can be when they're locked in

973
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 4: he doubled down, and the team responded, Now, will this

974
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 4: be a thing that launches him the rest of the way.

975
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 3: We'll see.

976
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 4: But to me, when I asked him about it after

977
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 4: the game, he was like, at the end of the day,

978
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 4: you always got to go back to.

979
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: Who you are in these difficult moments.

980
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: And that's what they leaned into. And so the big

981
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 4: says to running the game, the running game, the way

982
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 4: they play defense, all of it simplified it and just say, hey,

983
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 4: we're going to see if we can just outsmash a

984
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 4: team that loves the smash and they way to be

985
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 4: successful on Sunday, Well.

986
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: They did it. I mean, Harbaugh set after the game

987
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: and beat us up, physically, beat us up every where

988
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: you can bet beat a team up. Now, they got

989
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: the bye weekend and they've got the Raiders before the

990
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: Eagles come into town, so they got a chance to

991
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: get rested up. I think of Marion Hampton, there's a

992
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: decent shot he's back, which will help that run team

993
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: a little bit. All right, hey, Baldy, you're the best brother.

994
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time. Man. We'll see you next week.

995
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 5: Okay, guys, you bet.

996
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: There you go.

997
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: Buck great to have Baldi with us on here each

998
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: and every week. I don't know what happened in the

999
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: rookie draft. I guess we'll find out tomorrow. Ga step

1000
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: in for me. I'm hoping he had a great draft.

1001
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna figure out how I did. I'm gonna claim

1002
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: the victory if if we won, I'm gonna claim it

1003
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: even though Gavin made the picks. And if we don't,

1004
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: you know, hey, Gavin might he should lose that job.

1005
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: He could definitely do that job as the assistant GM,

1006
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: as the assistant rookie GM. But I'm gonna wait and

1007
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: see how he did first.

1008
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully hopefully turns up better.

1009
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 4: We can shut out Rick because right now he's having

1010
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 4: so success rookie draft.

1011
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I heard it RHTT on the call Big

1012
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: ten Network. He had usc Iowa top twenty five game

1013
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: doing the play by play last week.

1014
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 3: How about that?

1015
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: Are thettle Rets all grown up?

1016
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 3: All growing up? PBu no more?

1017
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: Gavin said, I need a big one from JENTI see

1018
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: what happens, all right, that's gonna go for it. So

1019
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: they appreciate you, guys. I see you next time right

1020
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: here on. Move the sticks, ye

1021
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: H