WEBVTT - Our Collective Morality 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.760 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:19.960 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the Home Bunker, Folks, 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.239 As we close out the year and go into just 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.200 you know a little bit of hibernation relaxation for the 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:31.800 next couple of weeks, we have done some amazing interviews 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.680 to leave you with as you are hopefully resting and 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:38.000 relaxing with family, friends, or solo or with the fur baby. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:44.040 Today's conversation is with one of my longtime favorites, the 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:47.760 Reverend Mark Thompson and host of Make It Plain, joins 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:54.000 us today to you know, provide a retrospective on where 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.480 we find ourselves at the end of this year, as 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.160 we embark on twenty twenty four, where black people the 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:04.319 Black vote, where we think that is headed. We've all 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:08.039 experienced a lot and been through a lot, and you know, 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:12.000 I'm bringing on guests over the break to kind of 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:17.800 give their final thoughts as we head into what I 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:23.120 believe is going to probably be the craziest, wildest, most 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:30.240 you know, anxiety filled year in our lives, in this 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:34.280 country's history. This is going to be one for the books, 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:37.880 and it's why I continue to say that folks need 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.760 to take such good care of themselves. I've been having 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:46.520 internal conversations with myself about my health, about my rest, 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:48.680 about all of the things that I'm going to need 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:53.360 to have the stamina to get through. And you know, 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.440 this conversation is one of those things that give me 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.160 a boost, and I hope that it does the same 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.560 for you. Coming up next, my conversation with our friend 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:10.560 Mark Thompson. Folks, you know that whenever we have the 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:14.040 opportunity to get our friend, the Reverend Mark Thompson, the 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.360 host of Make It Plain back on wok F daily, 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:22.240 which people ask for you, Mark, I am always appreciated that. 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.240 I wish you can see his faith and reaction, surprise 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:32.079 and excitement they ask for you. Particularly, I get DMed about, 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.400 Oh when is when is Mark coming back on? And 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:36.600 that is that is true? 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:38.359 Mark? 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:44.560 You know, as we close out this year, you know, 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:48.919 I am filled with a lot as many people are, 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.840 a lot of worry, a lot of anxiety, a lot 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:57.679 of grief. I think that over the last several years 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:03.239 we have experienced so much collective trauma at the hands 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:09.799 of the MAGA supremacists, at the experience of living through 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:15.920 a pandemic, experiencing now multiple wars that we are actually 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:20.280 in modern time seeing the images and the videos in 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:24.440 real time. This is unlike other past conflicts, crises and 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:28.720 wars that we have had. With the exposure and the 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:34.280 usage of social media, people are very weary, as I 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.160 know I am, and I wanted to get a sense 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.800 from you as you're thinking now, as we always do 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:46.840 a retrospective on the year, how are you closing it out? 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:51.320 What are you feeling and what are you hearing from 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:52.720 folks on the ground. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:55.880 Well, first of all, pleasure to be with you and. 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.640 Thankful anytime to be sought after and missed, particularly by 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.480 your audience. Maybe that means I'm doing one thing right 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:10.640 in my life. We're at a we are at a 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:16.280 very dangerous place, and I think that with the crisis 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.120 going on in the world, the crisis everyone's focused on. 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:24.360 No one is paying attention to the Sudan or Congo. Unfortunately, 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.640 you know, people to mainstream me to decide what's important. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.080 But in terms of the crisis, what's going on. It 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:32.640 has messed up the world. 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:38.799 Communities are divided, cultures are divided, households are divided, even 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:43.160 amongst some of my Jewish friends. So the good news is, 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:49.960 for the first time in history, you have a massive 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:56.240 response with regards to what's going on in Gaza and 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:00.840 a demand that the Israeli Defense Force be held accountable 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:04.480 for what's going on in Gaza. Obviously their responses are 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.600 what about harmas well? What Harmas did was a surprise attack. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:09.880 If anybody knew in advance what Hammas was going to do, 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.960 everybody would have said no to that Harmas happened. Now 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.280 we've known in advance every day what's going on in Gaza, 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.160 and people are aren't happy about it. 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:25.080 This. When this happened October seventh. 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:33.160 I immediately became concerned because I realized the impact this 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:38.240 could have on our domestic politics here in this country. 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:49.719 And so it took me back to the day in 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:58.279 the moment I lost my childhood innocence, Danielle. Now, a 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.360 lot of people can probably tell various stories about how 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.960 they lost their childhood innocence, but this is how I 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:10.359 lost mind. I was I was always very interested in 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:14.560 the news, interested in politics, interested in the world, interested 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.360 in journalism, interested in public theology. So at a very 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:24.200 young age I was up on stuff. I can remember Watergate, 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.440 even though I was just a kid, I remember seeing 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:30.520 it on television and getting some of that. January twenty, 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.520 nineteen eighty one, when Ronald Reagan lowers his hand, lowered 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:36.679 his left hand and took his right hand off the Bible. 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.720 The next words out of his mouth were, the hostages 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.279 are now freed. And we had been through an over 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.159 year long ordeal every day day, two hundred day, three 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.720 hundred day, four hundred of the hostages. We knew who 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.560 Reagan was and what he would do, but would helpless 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.840 to stop him because of. 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.320 The hostage crisis. 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:02.200 And so someone who most would consider even as he 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.040 is in hospice, if not then now would consider very 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:10.880 decent man lost the White House. When Reagan said that, 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.560 I said, wait a minute, how are you making this announcement? 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.960 You just took the oath of office. What are you doing? 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.080 How do you know that? What do you as if? 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.360 Almost as if he was taking credit. 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.480 For it right. 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.280 We later learned through the great journalists with Newsweek, Robert Perry, 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:33.720 who passed away recently himself, that Reagan had sent George H. W. 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.160 Bush and William Casey to Paris to meet with the 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:41.440 Ayatola to have him keep the hostages. The term October 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.160 Surprise is actually a misnoman. That wasn't the October Surprise. 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.480 The Reagan and people were afraid that Carter had in 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:52.120 October Surprise and would rescue the hostages. That what they 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:58.320 did was actually a prevention of the October Surprise. At 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.560 that time, the Bushes had a close relation with the 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:04.800 ben Ladens, and hw and Casey flew to Paris to 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:08.840 meet with Ayatola on Osama bin Laden's father's plane. 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:10.160 But that's another conversation. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:17.640 So when I saw this October seventh, and I'm looking 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:22.120 at Joe Biden, I said, this is about more than 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.040 what we think it is. Why Because then Yahoo and 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:29.800 Putin have a relationship. Putin and Trump have a relationship. Trump, 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:35.120 I'm sorry, Putin, I'm sorry Yahoo. Then Yahoo is the 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:41.040 Trump of Israel, under investigation, potentially under trial. 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:41.679 Nobody likes it. 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:47.360 Nine eleven resurrected the political career of Giuliani and w Bush. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.400 October seventh, as He's called it, our own nine eleven. 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.960 That's what Nen Yahoo calls it. Residents is political fortune. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:55.680 Although I don't think it's working because what the news 0:08:55.720 --> 0:09:00.120 isn't reporting is all of the family members of hostages. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.760 And protests that are happening all over all over the country. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:08.400 Who can who can in an effort to root out 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:13.040 Hamas kill hostages? I mean mass with Jimmy Carter said, 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:14.199 you know, we just gonna blow up in around and 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:19.600 killed all the hostages. No, so there's that putin, and 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:23.640 then y'all have such a relationship. That's why even though 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.840 at least the third of the Ukraine is Jewish and 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:31.400 Zelensky is Jewish, you haven't seen Israel anywhere near the 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:32.640 Ukraine and its defense. 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:39.800 And so this is very troubling. I think the Biden administration, I. 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:43.040 Think they know everything I'm saying, but they have to 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:51.119 walk very thin line because in this country, one believes 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:57.040 that you have to show unconditional support for Israel to 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.880 win the Jewish electorate. 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:02.280 But I think they're missing something. 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.480 I think that's changed because I've been in the streets 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.960 with Jews here in America. You know, we live at 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.720 this technological age, so people in the past people to 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.800 have cell phones, people don't have access. There was no Algazier. 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.280 So people a saying, wait a minute, my so called 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:27.200 homeland is killing these people mercilessly. It's disproportionate to what 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:31.040 happened on October seventh, and a population that is a 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.240 majority of young people. 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.560 Half population in gazas is kids. 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.199 So what are we really doing here? Not only are 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:44.600 we risking in defense of their human rights, risking democracy here, 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.319 because that's what we're doing. Every time someone says I'm 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.520 not going to vote for Biden because of what's going 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:58.720 on in Gaza, you're you're risking democracy here. 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.440 What do you think Trump's gonna do? I've even had to, 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.959 you know, say some of my palstending friends, Oh, you. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:05.920 Don't get in if you ever mentioned I said, well, 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:07.880 but what you also have to understand we got to 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.559 fight this battle on both fronts. We can't allow Trump. 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:13.160 What do you think Trump's gonna do. He's already said 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.760 he's gonna do a Muslim band. You know he's gonna 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.760 support whatever this is nen Yahoo's doing because the three name. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.960 But y'all just googled net and Yahoo and putin and then. 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.120 He hit Google images and his mind blowing, there's more 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.640 pictures than the am together, than me and Danielle and 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:31.599 so not exaggerating, this is the pictures coming over me 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.640 I've never seen so many pictures on Google of two 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.160 people together. I'm talking about spouses and couples. I've never 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:44.720 seen it. So I think we're in trouble. Michigan is vulnerable, 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.600 and I think what this White House is gonna have 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:52.640 to do is is yesterday, resolve this, shut this down, 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:57.120 because this is only helping the three people I named Trump, 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:58.160 n Yahu and putin. 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:08.720 You know the thing, though, Mark, is that first of all, 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:13.600 the history lesson that you just dropped is like just 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:22.400 a reminder of how dirty the bushes are, how dirty 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:28.679 Reagan was, and just this is why the more that 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.200 people learn, the more distrustful that they become of government, 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.040 because you learn all of these things after the fact, 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:39.760 and then you have people like Kissinger right, who die 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.920 at one hundred years old and are never tried for 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:48.880 the millions of people that they killed with a lie 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.679 right of we're protecting democracy. We have to do these 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.560 you know, type of covert actions because of blah blah 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.600 blah blah blah, right, when we all know that it 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.040 has to do with money and power. You know, I 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.800 keep saying I had said when these events took place, 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:09.080 these horrific attacks on August seventh, They were absolutely horrific. 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.880 Do you know what else? We learned that they knew 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.760 a year in advance that it was coming. Hey, do 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.680 you know what else we learned? That like, they were 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:22.800 doing practice runs that were called out by IDF military 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:27.319 that said, wait, this actually looks like the dry run 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.840 of what we saw, what we were alerted to a 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:31.720 year ago. And what did they say? 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:32.160 Hmm? 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:33.079 Keep quiet? 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:34.040 Right? 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.959 And I kept saying to myself, and I will say 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.000 it again. I'm not a foreign affairs expert, but anytime 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:44.360 that conflict arises, you have to ask yourself who benefits 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:49.680 from the continued violence? Who benefits and in what ways 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:55.640 are they benefiting? Right? Because it isn't just an ideological benefit, right, 0:13:56.000 --> 0:14:01.240 it is a monetary one. We know that what is 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:07.440 ripe in the Middle East oil? Right? Whoever holds those 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:12.600 reserves holds the power to turn off and on right 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:17.600 the pipes. And so when I look at all of this, 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:22.080 I look at it from every angle, including what the 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:27.240 basis is, which is white supremacy, right and domination. Why 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:33.920 are the anti Semitics in the Trump flack uh and 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.800 and base like go rah rah rah for what net 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.360 Yahoo is doing because in their twisted and contorted minds, 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:46.680 they believe that this kind of violence will somehow usher 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.800 in the second Coming, Right, Like, this is where these 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.800 fucking people, This is where these people are, right, Like 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:57.360 people have to really understand like where the mindset is 0:14:57.920 --> 0:14:59.960 around all of this. But I want to go back 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.040 to one of the things that you said, which is 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:09.240 about this October surprise and the fact that we know 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.560 that the bombs that are being dropped, the damage that 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.440 is being caused, the recent pictures that we just saw 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.920 of men and boys being stripped down to their underwear 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.960 being thrown in the back of IDF vehicles, us being 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:28.160 asked about these pictures, which they are not condemning. They 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.720 just say that they're disturbing, and they're asking the people 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:34.840 that committed those very acts to do an investigation. Mark, 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.880 where does that sound familiar when we ask the cops, 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:44.800 the whatever police department to investigate themselves after unarmed black 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.200 person is murdered, whether they are shot, whether they are 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:52.280 choked to death, what have you? Please? Oh, it's so disturbing, 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.600 go ahead and investigate yourself. It just doesn't make sense. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:01.960 And I think that young people, people people of color 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:06.440 are looking at this situation and saying this looks eerily familiar. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:16.480 Now, I would agree with you there, and again, I 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.640 think what people have to understand that this is a 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.480 part of the overall agenda to affect what's going on 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.040 over here. And so we get caught up in what's 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.480 going on over there and over here. We still have 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:31.560 voting rights on the line, affirmative action, education, black history, 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:36.120 women losing their bodily autonomy every single day. 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:36.400 And. 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:42.760 LGBTQIA community gets it. Marriage equality is on the block. 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.840 If Trump gets back in office, that's gone. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:47.680 Okay. 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.120 So when we look at all of these things, we've 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:52.720 got to figure out a way to deal with this, 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.080 and we've got to appeal to this administration to understand 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:59.440 that otherwise they'll be gone as well. I get the 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.560 impression that they do. I don't think they know what 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.879 to do. And it also doesn't help the Democrats have 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.440 never been good, as you and I have talked about before. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.960 Then then you know, Democrats have never been good at 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:18.639 touting their own accomplishments and the things that have gotten it. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:22.320 I mean, jobs are still being created, but doesn't matter. 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.280 I mean, nobody's talked about that everybody's talking about what's 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:29.560 going on in Gaza. Just this week, I was with 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:35.120 CDWA Communication Workers of America, the union. They're not paying 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:42.560 the women who work at the call center who answer 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:46.280 the call for Medicare and affordable Care. They're not paying 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.840 them a living wage. The administration could pick up the 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.919 phone call the private contractor and do something about that, 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:55.160 but they won't do it. So I don't get what 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.119 some of that is about. I don't think Biden is 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.960 being served well by his advisor. Trump is releasing a 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.200 plan for Black America, and there are some black folks, 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:09.280 particularly black men, that are being duped in this thinking that, 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:12.480 you know, because Trump got this swag and you know, 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.360 I'm with it. Black women, as usually, you all gonna 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.359 have to hold us up. Some folks talking about what 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.119 he gave me my stemmych We ain't no more stimmy. 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.960 You only let the stemmy go and understand what's really 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.640 really at stake here. But I don't know that we'll 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:29.359 win that argument. It's kind of scary because even people 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:33.800 who I've known all my life are are confused, and 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.280 they're talking about not voting. That's the other thing that 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.840 has to happen I'm not even talking about people necessarily 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.680 going to vote for Trump. Now you have people say 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.400 they're not going to vote at all. At what people 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.680 need to be educated about is that. 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:48.359 Not voting is a vote. 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:51.040 When you don't vote, you voting because we only have 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.560 a two party system, so it's not like it it 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.320 doesn't hurt someone, it actually helps someone else because there's 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.879 still more of a us. There are more women. You 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.800 put together all the people who are affected by these 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:13.600 policies than a one time are considered minorities, women, people 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:19.400 of color, seniors, the poor. Put all us together, we 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:25.960 are together collectively the majority in this country. So when 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:29.720 we don't vote, that actually takes the one vote for 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:33.919 Trump and doubles it. It's a Trump vote times too 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:39.760 when we don't vote. But it's a hard sell because 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:46.080 people are getting me, will marked Biden is funding a 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:50.960 slaughter in godsp I have no response for that. He 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:54.280 is he is, and that's what the United States has 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:57.879 always done and it's time for that to change. And 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.600 then this whole argument when it's cancel culture and ironment too, 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.200 which makes it eve word. There's so many different tentacles 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.719 to this octopus. People getting canceled people being called at 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:08.399 They tried to you know, they tried to fire the 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:09.840 president of Harvard. 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:14.840 Now granted, whoever prepared those college presidents for their testimony, Oh. 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:21.320 My god should be fired. She would be FIREDE. 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.399 Watch this say two things to you. 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:25.920 Because we people the political advice that we're offering the 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:30.439 Biden administration right now on this show. People pay millions 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:32.720 of dollars for bad political advice, we're given it for free. 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:35.320 Same thing with those college presidents. They could have called 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:36.719 me and you the night before, what should we do? 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:38.280 Yep, we could tell the five minutes. 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:43.120 I don't understand that, but you know, thankfully the sisters survived. 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:47.000 But we're in that moment of cancelation. And for example, 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.119 for about a week or so, it didn't last, it 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.600 didn't didn't hold. But there was this thing, you know, 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:56.439 the Israeli government got mainstream needed to say, well, what 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:57.680 about raping women? 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.360 Women? Rape women? I heard raping of women, rape of women, 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:02.199 raping of women, over and over and over and over 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:03.520 and over again. 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:05.920 And they got mad when people said, but what about 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.680 you said the butt you anti semitic, and then you 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.960 wouldn't favor of raping women which which also was kind 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:13.840 of triggering to me. It should be triggering to all 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:15.480 of us as black folks. That's not the first time 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:19.800 in history that the sexual assault has been used yep, 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:24.320 to subjugate people. So, folks, you know more than one 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:25.760 thing is true. 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:26.240 Yep. 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:31.000 Sexual assault against women is a war crime. There's one sentence. 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:32.320 Here's another sentence. 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:37.320 The killing of innocent civilian women and children is also 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:41.600 a war crime. All right, So no, there's no We're 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:41.920 not going. 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:47.600 To do the oppression or victimization olympics here. 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:51.159 Both are equally wrong. 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.080 One might be the greater wrong because the one we're 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:58.639 talking about death. You're indiscriminately bombing and killing people, but 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:03.400 you're saying rape because these are women of a certain culture. 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:08.160 He would go again, their lives are more valuable than another. 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:13.040 So that's unacceptable. But this is touring the world asunder 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:18.879 And you're right, they knew about it a year in advance. 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:24.440 At least the Bushes knew about nine eleven that later 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:26.960 came out. Conder leaves all of them because they all 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:29.720 knew about it. They knew about this. So we've seen 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:33.080 these moments in history where these things happen for the 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:37.479 benefit of those who are in power to maintain and 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:38.400 sustain their power. 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:48.480 Yeah, I think that this is where I become readily 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:54.480 disheartened and hardened right to the facts, which are that 0:22:55.040 --> 0:23:00.640 you know, all of this is disgusting, right, the United 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:05.520 States unequivocal, you know, stance on what we have readily 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:13.400 said and seen as an unjust system. I visited Israel 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:18.800 and Palestine in twenty fifteen, and I came back home 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:27.440 jacked up emotionally, and I said, this place feels eerily familiar. Right. 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.520 It doesn't make any sense that we refer to this 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.000 as the only democracy in the Middle East, because this 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:37.840 looks like no democracy I've known, Right, and so. 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:39.560 It it it is. 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:44.320 I think that people don't need to be foreign affairs 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:49.960 expert experts to understand that humanity is on the line here, 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:56.080 our collective and moral right, morality as people as humans. 0:23:56.640 --> 0:24:01.560 When we can sit around and watch devastation, cruelty, violence 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:05.800 reign supreme, and then have nation states justify it and 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:08.560 think that you can bomb your way to peace, right, 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:11.760 that's just not It's not how it works. And so 0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:14.320 my final question for you, Mark is that as we 0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:20.879 turn you know, the calendar year with eleven months, you know, 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:25.399 to go. If you were to sit down face to 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:30.199 face with President Biden, what would you tell him in 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:32.560 terms of what is that stake. 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:42.480 What's at stake, President Biden, is your presidency and more 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:49.000 than that, really, because your presidency is the firewall against 0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:51.240 pretty much the end of democracy and end the politics 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:53.360 in this country, the politics Joy read Afred Joe Reid 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:57.520 has already said politics in America is over, and that 0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:00.840 may very well be true. But that's the only thing. 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:02.919 And Biden hinted it at the fundraiser. He said, if 0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:05.240 Trump wasn't running, he might not even be running. He's 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:07.120 native one year old man who wants to do that 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:11.080 at that age and risk. You know, we just used 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:12.800 to be the cliche of the vice presidents in one 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:16.040 heart beat away from the presidency. That is literally true 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:18.800 right now. And I'm not wishing ill will on anybody anything. 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:20.760 It happened to any one of us any day, but 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:26.160 when you're that age, you don't know. So I think 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:29.359 that's where it stands. Look, the other world leaders got it, 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:34.399 President of France, Prime minister in Britain, Canada, they ran 0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:35.800 up in Israel ran all oh. 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.000 Then Yahoo got back home. 0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:41.479 Saw those people on the streets, which is bigger than 0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:44.000 anything we've seen since Vietnam here in America. 0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:47.159 When doctor King led those parts, whoop, they switched up. 0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:50.600 You ain't hurt. You have not seen or heard a 0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:52.919 word from those leaders. They are chilled. 0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:57.280 You know, they're not running around and putting themselves right 0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:59.960 in the middle of it. And then as someone that 0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:03.479 this is just a theory, another analyst said this the 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:08.239 other day. Not only is there this Putin and then 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.439 Yahoo relationship, but specifically this is what it's for. 0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:12.359