Speaker 1: From Kaleidoscope and iHeart podcasts. This is tech stuff. I'm
Speaker 1: as Voloscian and I'm Kara Price today apples hail Mary
Speaker 1: in the AI race, and is tech actually good for
Speaker 1: older people? Then on chatting me, Reddit users mourn their
Speaker 1: lost confidence and personal advisors, as open ai says hello
Speaker 1: to GPT five. All of that on the weekend tech.
Speaker 1: It's Friday, August fifteenth, and hello.
Speaker 2: Cara, Hi, as, I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been to Versailles, the Palace of Versailles
Speaker 1: outside of Paris? I have not, have you?
Speaker 2: I actually have? I wrote a segue around Versailles.
Speaker 1: Yes, when was that?
Speaker 2: When I h study abroad?
Speaker 1: I study abroad? What does the Padace of Versai have
Speaker 1: to do with tech stuff?
Speaker 2: They have just entered the AI game.
Speaker 1: They have they gonna they turn it into Europe's largest
Speaker 1: data center.
Speaker 2: You know that. When I saw this, when they were
Speaker 2: like Versailles is using AI and partnering with open it,
Speaker 2: I was like, I gotta So basically, visitors can talk
Speaker 2: to the statues right on their smartphones via the museum's
Speaker 2: app or website. So you scan a QR code near
Speaker 2: the statues, or you can just browse a list on
Speaker 2: the site.
Speaker 1: Oh well, it sounds almost like you're suggesting we do it.
Speaker 2: I'd love to do it. I just love it. I
Speaker 2: love the voice. I really want to show it. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: listen to this.
Speaker 3: Oh hello, what a pleasure to meet someone curious about
Speaker 3: my work. What would you like to know about this
Speaker 3: lovely taming of mystery by a little winged troublemaker like me?
Speaker 1: Here's this.
Speaker 2: This is the sphinx ridden by Cupid, and we are
Speaker 2: listening to Cupid to talk to us. And then I'm
Speaker 2: going to ask something of Cupid.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm all ears or perhaps wings? What question stirs
Speaker 3: your curiosity?
Speaker 2: Cupid? Have you ever listened to a podcast?
Speaker 3: Ah, dear friend, my ears are more attuned to the
Speaker 3: whispers of hearts than to modern chatter.
Speaker 1: I have a question for you, Cupid. Can you hear me? Oh?
Speaker 3: Loud and clear, my friend?
Speaker 1: Wonderful? So, Cupid, how long have you been in the
Speaker 1: Palace of Verse?
Speaker 3: I for I've been writing this mystery since sixteen sixty eight.
Speaker 3: That's when those marvelous artists crafted me and my silent companion.
Speaker 3: So let's just say I've been here for centuries. Watching
Speaker 3: the dance of Time in the sun King's garden.
Speaker 1: The sun King meaning Louis Catous.
Speaker 2: That's right, Louis Cattus.
Speaker 1: This is basically like you, instead of carrying around the
Speaker 1: visitor brick phones with the filthy lanyards that you kind
Speaker 1: of have to disinfect before hearing endless, endless, boring depositions
Speaker 1: about various works and museums. I do always feel guilty
Speaker 1: for not bringing those with me because I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm missing out on the true information payload of the experience.
Speaker 1: So I guess it's kind of a nice idea at
Speaker 1: least to do something a little bit more interactive like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the point of what they're trying
Speaker 2: to do, but as you can hear, the dialogue is
Speaker 2: far from perfect.
Speaker 1: I'd also wonder if you're interested enough to get your
Speaker 1: phone out, do you think you want to be responded
Speaker 1: to in that tone.
Speaker 2: In that town?
Speaker 1: Ah?
Speaker 2: It kind of takes to the experience. Yes. So the
Speaker 2: French Culture Ministry says they hope it will help them
Speaker 2: attract a younger audience, since the average age of a
Speaker 2: visitor to Versailles is currently forty years old. But the
Speaker 2: new York Times article about it said that the statues
Speaker 2: weren't responding very well to questions being asked by young people,
Speaker 2: which kind of defeats the purpose of this.
Speaker 1: What the young people asking.
Speaker 2: I could never come up with these things. What do
Speaker 2: you do when a bird poops on you? Will I
Speaker 2: ever be rich? Who's going to win the Champions League
Speaker 2: this year?
Speaker 1: Is a real question.
Speaker 2: These are very real questions, and the President of Versailles
Speaker 2: has said that the bots are designed to stay on topic.
Speaker 3: But it seems like I'm here and always happy to
Speaker 3: chat or gently steer us back if the conversation wanders
Speaker 3: off into the mysteries of bird mishaps or football predictions.
Speaker 1: Was the statue listening all along?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? And it knew that I veered off.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Sta, thank you bring us back. So be careful, Eliza.
Speaker 1: Is the statue still listening? Yes, you'll turn them off.
Speaker 2: I ended him. Okay, that was excellent. I do think that,
Speaker 2: you know, do I wake up being in Paris and
Speaker 2: like rish that I could talk to a statue at Versailles?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not, But I probably would use this sooner than
Speaker 2: I would use you.
Speaker 1: Age other demographic carry going after if he was sixteen,
Speaker 1: that would be the only thing on your mind.
Speaker 2: That's very, very true. But I guess it's still interesting
Speaker 2: that they're at least trying to see what incorporating AI
Speaker 2: could look.
Speaker 1: Like, which up until recently is more than you could
Speaker 1: say for Apple.
Speaker 2: Shots fire Apple the luddites tech company.
Speaker 1: There was a pretty interesting article in Bloomberg this week
Speaker 1: with the headline Apple's upcoming AI voice control will change
Speaker 1: how people use iPhones.
Speaker 2: So explain to me what that means.
Speaker 1: Well, first little bit of context so you may remember this,
Speaker 1: but earlier this year, Apple sort of touted a new
Speaker 1: version of Siri, which they then had to delay for
Speaker 1: quote the foreseeable future, and the idea was that Siri
Speaker 1: would be a true AI assistant with access to everything
Speaker 1: on your phone. And Apple even released an ad campaign
Speaker 1: which they then had to pull because they were sued
Speaker 1: for false advertising about Apple Intelligence. It's been a tough
Speaker 1: time for Apple in the AI race and their scenes
Speaker 1: being way behind. Key executives have left for rivals, including
Speaker 1: Metas recently as last week. The stock's been beaten up,
Speaker 1: but last week it was up thirteen percent, the best
Speaker 1: week since twenty twenty for Apple. Representing the sum of
Speaker 1: four hundred billion dollars of market cap.
Speaker 2: How did that happen?
Speaker 1: Well, it actually wasn't really about the Syrian news. I'm
Speaker 1: going to talk more about SyRI in the moment. This
Speaker 1: was in response to Tim Cook FKA Tim Apple, and
Speaker 1: his trip to the White House to announce a new
Speaker 1: one hundred billion dollar pledge to manufacture in the US,
Speaker 1: including a commitment to be the first and largest customer
Speaker 1: for chips being manufactured in Arizona at the new Taiwan
Speaker 1: Semiconductor Manufacturing Company facility there. Only proud of how I
Speaker 1: said that, But Tim Cook also literally gave President Trump
Speaker 1: a twenty four carrot gold bar, which, as you can imagine,
Speaker 1: was very gratefully received, and in turn, at the meeting,
Speaker 1: Trump said that Apple would be exempt from one hundred
Speaker 1: percent tariffs on importing foreign chips because they're making domestic
Speaker 1: investments in chips.
Speaker 2: Thus the stock match the gold bar.
Speaker 1: That was the best value of gold bar anyone ever bought.
Speaker 2: Ever. I also think it's interesting that it's a Taiwan
Speaker 2: semiconductor company manufacturing area in arizonaa you know, still on
Speaker 2: American soil. That's really good for them. And I'm happy
Speaker 2: for people who have Apple stock, But what does the
Speaker 2: future in the AI race look like?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What is what's up with Siri?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean that was the kind of substance this
Speaker 1: Bloomberg piece that I mentioned. The author Mark German reports
Speaker 1: that Apple is working on upgraded software that quote could
Speaker 1: finally make Siri the true hands free controller of your iPhone.
Speaker 1: With nothing but your voice, You'll be able to tell
Speaker 1: Siri to find a specific photo, edit it and send
Speaker 1: it off, or comment on Instagram post, or scroll the
Speaker 1: shopping app and add something to your card, or log
Speaker 1: into a service without touching the screen. Essentially, Siri could
Speaker 1: operate your apps like you would with precision inside their
Speaker 1: own interfaces. German continues, if Apple nails this, it's not
Speaker 1: just a nice, easy of use upgrade, it's the fulfillment
Speaker 1: of the vision Siri promised nearly fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2: This idea that Siri would sort of be the all
Speaker 2: knowing person that Apple wants her to be, I think
Speaker 2: is really interesting and I probably would end up using it.
Speaker 2: But you know, people ask what the iPhone of the
Speaker 2: AI era will be, the hardware that will deliver on
Speaker 2: the potential of the software. Maybe the iPhone of the
Speaker 2: AI era will be the iPhone.
Speaker 1: Well, that is certainly what Apple is hoping for and
Speaker 1: banking on. Their current plan is for a major Siri
Speaker 1: overhaul to be done by next spring, and this will
Speaker 1: also be important to other new hardware that Apple's working on,
Speaker 1: like smart displays and even household robots.
Speaker 2: How successful will they actually be at.
Speaker 1: This well, I mean, you know, they're basically back to
Speaker 1: work on what they promised before and then had to pull,
Speaker 1: I mean, this idea of the one voice control to
Speaker 1: rule them all. According to the Bloomberg piece, there are
Speaker 1: deep concerns internally that the project might not be on track.
Speaker 1: Engineers are having a hard time getting Siri to work
Speaker 1: with so many different apps, and the stakes are high.
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine you miscommunicate with Siriri or Syria misunderstands
Speaker 1: you when it's making a wire transfer on your behalf.
Speaker 2: And is there any indication of where Apple is with
Speaker 2: sort of figuring this all out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're doing testing across many of the popular apps
Speaker 1: that are already on the iPhone, Uber, Facebook, Amazon, and YouTube,
Speaker 1: even WhatsApp as well of course, as all of Apple's
Speaker 1: native apps, Messages, voice, call, etc. The issue of watched
Speaker 1: about the banking apps has not been resolved. In fact,
Speaker 1: Bloomberg suggests they might just exclude those from the future
Speaker 1: seri verse. Yeah, and you mentioned this idea of what
Speaker 1: will be the iPhone of the AI era. Sir Johnny Ive,
Speaker 1: who was at Apple for years and was the designer
Speaker 1: of the iPhone, is now working with Open Ai on
Speaker 1: a multi billion dollar AI hardware project. So the pressure
Speaker 1: is really on for Apple again as of now, Serious
Speaker 1: slated to roll out next spring, the new sery that is.
Speaker 1: And if Apple pull it off, you know, I think
Speaker 1: they will put to bed a lot of the doubts
Speaker 1: sort of crept in about whether they can stay competitive
Speaker 1: in this new era of AI.
Speaker 2: So one great generational divide I've noticed is that people
Speaker 2: of my mother's generations seem to love to use their
Speaker 2: phones to compose texts with their voice. It's one of
Speaker 2: my favorite things as listening to my mom composed texts
Speaker 2: in the car to Siri. It's unbelievable. And the mess
Speaker 2: what the messages versus what she wants to say, It's
Speaker 2: also very fun. But what does this ever closer integration
Speaker 2: with our tech do to us? Do you do you
Speaker 2: think that this technology could be shriveling our brains?
Speaker 1: I do, obviously.
Speaker 2: Well, I have some good news, not for us, but
Speaker 2: for my mother, which is that there's a study that
Speaker 2: has come out that says technology only rots your brain
Speaker 2: if you're young.
Speaker 1: Wow. Where does that leave us?
Speaker 2: Well, not in a great spot.
Speaker 1: Wait, we're young enough to be rotated. We're young enough.
Speaker 2: We're on the elder rot age. So I read this
Speaker 2: article in the New York Times last week that the
Speaker 2: constant use of tech, which is what you and I
Speaker 2: do every day. I mean when I see you for
Speaker 2: the first time, when we're recording in the morning, we're glue.
Speaker 2: You're on your phone and your computer. I'm deep inside
Speaker 2: of my phone.
Speaker 1: Is only this is only two hours in the week
Speaker 1: where I'm not loud to my phone.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. People are like, where are you assis life?
Speaker 2: Because I go and do not disturb. But this kind
Speaker 2: of phone us, I mean, especially in studies, harms teenagers,
Speaker 2: which we are not. But there's a surprising development, which
Speaker 2: is that it might actually be helping older people stay sharp.
Speaker 1: That's a little confounding. How does this work?
Speaker 2: So I just want to zoom out a bit when
Speaker 2: you think about people in their sixties and above God
Speaker 2: bless mom, you can't help but be amazed by just
Speaker 2: how much the world has changed for them. Like, think
Speaker 2: about growing up, spending all of your educational years in
Speaker 2: a world with no computers, no cell phones, no internet,
Speaker 2: using an abacus, using your imagination, using your imagination, you know,
Speaker 2: typing your college essays on a typewriter, and then the
Speaker 2: year two thousand hits, we get to twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: and you're living in this world that does not really
Speaker 2: use any of these things, I mean, including people who
Speaker 2: do email on a laptop. I'm like, are you sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we talked about this in one of
Speaker 1: the first episodes of Tech Stuff that we did. To
Speaker 1: get that, we did an episode about digital natives and
Speaker 1: how this sociologist came up with this idea of digital natives,
Speaker 1: and people who've grown up not as digital natives feel
Speaker 1: like almost like immigrants into a new world. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the experience you're describing. So as much
Speaker 1: as we may roll our eyes at too much voice
Speaker 1: command and phone always being on loud, I mean it's
Speaker 1: not easy to keep up.
Speaker 2: It is not easy to keep up and in the Times.
Speaker 2: What they're reporting is that this constant change and being
Speaker 2: forced to adapt may actually be helping older people stay
Speaker 2: cognitively active and stave off one of the biggest fears, dementia.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, you know, you might think that with all
Speaker 2: the studies on shortening attention spans, the same would be
Speaker 2: true for all demographics. But a recent paper in the
Speaker 2: journal Nature and Human Behavior found that the people who
Speaker 2: grew up without modern tech and had to learn it
Speaker 2: are quote at a reduced risk of cognitive impairment and dementia.
Speaker 2: That's according to Michael Scullen. He's a neuroscientist at Baylor
Speaker 2: and one of the authors of the study.
Speaker 1: Well, this is tremendously relieving for anyone who's over sixty
Speaker 1: is addicted to their phone. It's like this, it's actually
Speaker 1: good for me. Yeah. How did this neuroscientist and his
Speaker 1: colleagues come to these conclusions.
Speaker 2: So the group they studied was made up of people
Speaker 2: over fifty with an average of sixty nine, close to
Speaker 2: the Versailles visitor, and they gave them all a bunch
Speaker 2: of different cognitive tests, and what they found was that
Speaker 2: the ones who used computer smartphones and the Internet on
Speaker 2: a regular basis scored way better than those who avoided technology.
Speaker 2: But what was even more interesting to me was that
Speaker 2: this isn't like a lot of studies we've covered on
Speaker 2: this podcast. It wasn't a small sample size. It was
Speaker 2: actually a meta analysis meta analysis.
Speaker 1: I'm on the edge of my seat. Now, what did
Speaker 1: the meta Analoly? How big was the meta analysis? And
Speaker 1: what was the meta analysis?
Speaker 2: You're like that, You're like trumping this meta analysis. The
Speaker 2: paper analyzed results from fifty seven studies, which collectively gave
Speaker 2: them a sample size of over four hundred thousand, and
Speaker 2: they found that across all of those people, ninety percent
Speaker 2: of the studies showed that technology seems to have what
Speaker 2: the Times calls quote protective cognitive effect.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And Scullin, who the author I mentioned, said that it's
Speaker 2: really rare for so many different studies to have such
Speaker 2: similar results. So he also said the decades long fears
Speaker 2: about young people using technology and being negatively affected seem
Speaker 2: to be born out of the research as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that makes me think a little bit
Speaker 1: about this cognitive offloading cognitive deficit thing we talked about
Speaker 1: a few times on the show, which is that Basically,
Speaker 1: if you're using these technologies in place of doing work
Speaker 1: yourself when you're a college student or a teenager, it
Speaker 1: makes you dumber. But if you're having to learn how
Speaker 1: to use these technologies as an older person, it can
Speaker 1: potentially keep you more fresh.
Speaker 2: The learning being key offload, the offloading also being key,
Speaker 2: which is like, if you are offloading any kind of learning,
Speaker 2: you're at a deficit.
Speaker 1: I do have a couple of questions here, though, if
Speaker 1: I may play Devil's advocate for a moment, I would
Speaker 1: assume that in these studies, technology is effectively approxy for
Speaker 1: being social. I text, and I email and I zoom.
Speaker 1: Therefore I am in society. So I would assume that
Speaker 1: there is a correlation here because we know that it's
Speaker 1: very neuroprotective to be social. There's also a question for
Speaker 1: me about whether people who have higher cognitive abilities are
Speaker 1: by definition more likely to use technology more than people
Speaker 1: with lower cognitive ability, So that a self selecting component.
Speaker 1: And then there are also socioeconomic questions, right, like you know,
Speaker 1: is it are people who are not able to afford
Speaker 1: to have all the modern technology kind of being left behind?
Speaker 1: So what do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, those are all great comments. I think in
Speaker 2: this case, correlation does not equal causation, which is always
Speaker 2: good to remind yourself when you're reading an article about,
Speaker 2: you know, a bit of a crazy sounding research paper.
Speaker 2: The papers authors did say that, of course they can't
Speaker 2: say anything definitively, but their research did take into account
Speaker 2: things like health, education, socioeconomic status, and even with all
Speaker 2: of those variables, the people who use tech still scored better.
Speaker 2: And they also say that a big part of this
Speaker 2: isn't just staying challenged, but not giving up.
Speaker 1: Oh that was my dad's man. Sure, if at first
Speaker 1: you don't succeed.
Speaker 2: Try try, try again. They also hypothesize that the frustration
Speaker 2: of having to learn and relearn everything after every software
Speaker 2: update might actually be beneficial and to your point, the
Speaker 2: authors also say tech users help people maintain social connections,
Speaker 2: which is another preventer of cognitive decline, and that things
Speaker 2: like calendar notifications help people remember things better.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you be happy that I'm still
Speaker 1: young enough that the tech is eroding my brain rather
Speaker 1: than rather than building it. But yeah, it's a mixed blessing.
Speaker 2: I guess I still believe that ikel is helping my
Speaker 2: brain stay strong.
Speaker 1: After the break, gun safety advocates use AI to resurrect
Speaker 1: their son. Also, the long lost Vine archives might have
Speaker 1: been unearthed. Livestream viewers fall in love with a voluptuous
Speaker 1: starfish and check rept convinces a man to eat poison.
Speaker 1: Then on our chat tomy segment, Reddit users get nostalgic
Speaker 1: for the good old days of AI. Welcome back. We've
Speaker 1: got a few more headlines view this week.
Speaker 2: And then a story about the ruckus caused by the
Speaker 2: release of GPT five.
Speaker 1: But first, Carot, there is a headline that I was
Speaker 1: very drawn to. We obviously have a lot of fun
Speaker 1: together on this show, joking around and laughing as we
Speaker 1: talk about the news of the week, But this one
Speaker 1: is darker, and it relates to something that you and
Speaker 1: I reflected on together several years ago when deep fake
Speaker 1: technology was first taking off, namely, would we actually want
Speaker 1: people to speak beyond the grave in the form of
Speaker 1: AI avatars. Last week, former CNN anchor Jim Acosta interviewed
Speaker 1: on his YouTube show an AI rendering of someone who
Speaker 1: was killed in the twenty eighteen shooting in Parkland, Florida.
Speaker 1: The avatar was created in the likeness of Joaquin Oliver
Speaker 1: and it was actually his parents who generated the AI version.
Speaker 2: So do you know why they decided to do this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they want to use their son's image
Speaker 1: and voice and memory to advocate for quote, stronger gun
Speaker 1: control laws, mental health support, and community engagement. And the
Speaker 1: avatar will soon have its own social media presence and
Speaker 1: will also be available for public speaking engagements.
Speaker 2: How did Joaquin's family make this AI avatar?
Speaker 1: Joaquin's father many trained the AI on his son's social
Speaker 1: media posts, and of course so there's general knowledge that's
Speaker 1: baked into many AI models. This is actually the second
Speaker 1: time the Oliver family have used their son's AI likeness
Speaker 1: to advocate for change. Back in twenty twenty, they use
Speaker 1: a different AI version of their son to encourage people
Speaker 1: to register to vote.
Speaker 2: So how have people responded to this?
Speaker 1: Well, many people did not take kindly to this interview,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's a very complicated one because afterwards
Speaker 1: the parents who are doing this and in a sense
Speaker 1: processing their grief. I'm sure, but you know, people have
Speaker 1: called the avatar creepy, unnatural, and even a grotesque puppet show.
Speaker 1: I email with Harney Fried drummer Honey Freed. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: he was a so called godfather of digital forensics, and
Speaker 1: he's been on the show before. Harney wrote to me quote,
Speaker 1: I was not opposed to the original Joaquin Ai powered
Speaker 1: PSA that his parents authorized, in which we heard his
Speaker 1: AI recreations speak out against gun violence. There is, however,
Speaker 1: a difference between a pre recorded PSA and what was
Speaker 1: made to look like an interview with a well known journalist.
Speaker 1: The interactive interview gave the impression that we were hearing
Speaker 1: Joaquin respond to specific questions, when in fact we were not.
Speaker 1: I absolutely do not blame the parents for doing whatever
Speaker 1: they can to raise awareness. But this time we've interview
Speaker 1: blurs journalistic lines in a way that I don't think
Speaker 1: is appropriate.
Speaker 2: So I'm actually curious what this interview sounded like.
Speaker 1: Well, I do actually want to play you an excerpt.
Speaker 4: I'm all about love, laughter, and living life to the fullest.
Speaker 4: I cherish my family and friends and always try to
Speaker 4: spread joy wherever I go. Though my life was cut short,
Speaker 4: I want to keep inspiring others to connect and advocate
Speaker 4: for change.
Speaker 2: Joaquin, tell everybody a little bit about yourself, Like what's
Speaker 2: your favorite sport?
Speaker 4: I love basketball, It's such a fun way to connect
Speaker 4: with friends and show off some skills.
Speaker 1: Plus, there's nothing like the thrill of a good game.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a little un canyon. I think
Speaker 1: Harney's point was, even if you're someone's parent, do you
Speaker 1: have the right to put words in their mouth in
Speaker 1: a public context?
Speaker 2: Right? Right? So, moving on from the deeply distressing, thought
Speaker 2: provoking segment that Oz just reported to something completely unseerious.
Speaker 2: Do you remember us the social media at Vine. Elon
Speaker 2: Musk actually claimed this week in a tweet that the
Speaker 2: Vine archives have been found.
Speaker 1: You know, I saw this and I'm so glad you
Speaker 1: brought this up. Because you know those T shirts that
Speaker 1: you go to New York and you got a T
Speaker 1: shirt with My dad went to New York and all
Speaker 1: I got was this lousy T shirt. I feel like
Speaker 1: the equivalent here is Elon must say I was looking
Speaker 1: for looking for the Epstein files, and all I got
Speaker 1: was this lousy Vine archive.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: But why why did Elon choose to wade into this
Speaker 1: this corner of the internet as well?
Speaker 2: All Right, So I'm going to take you back to
Speaker 2: twenty twelve when I was just a child, and Vine
Speaker 2: was very quickly becoming a popular social media platform, so
Speaker 2: quickly that the original Twitter not X bought the company
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, so Twitter owned Vine, and then they
Speaker 2: did what every major tech company does when they purchased
Speaker 2: a competing app.
Speaker 1: They took the team and the technology and built something
Speaker 1: that could rival TikTok no.
Speaker 2: Within a matter of months, they shut down Vine and
Speaker 2: disabled the app, and the Internet was very upset. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can still find some of the videos on YouTube,
Speaker 2: but it's largely a forgotten medium and you can't really
Speaker 2: find a lot of the videos that were so important
Speaker 2: to me at the time.
Speaker 1: That Elon has found the archive, what's he going to
Speaker 1: do with it? Rados are the lost Vine.
Speaker 2: In a tweet he published in July, he said that
Speaker 2: we're bringing back Vine, but in AI form, and in
Speaker 2: August he tweeted, groc imagine is ai vine? What a sentence.
Speaker 2: So between those two tweets, one about finding the archive
Speaker 2: and the other about putting vines into AI people are
Speaker 2: now speculating that Musk is now using the Vine archive
Speaker 2: to train Grock's video app groc Imagine.
Speaker 1: This is going to be so nostalgic. All the AI
Speaker 1: slop is going to be from teenagers from twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: trained on, trained on that. Well, funny enough, Cara, I
Speaker 1: actually have one for you, which is also about found
Speaker 1: footage going viral. Have you heard about the starfish in
Speaker 1: Argentina that has captured the nation's heart.
Speaker 2: There is nothing I love more than a viral animal.
Speaker 1: The public in Argentina has named this starfish the estrea
Speaker 1: colonna or fat bottom starfish. Have you seen the picture
Speaker 1: of it?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: No, I can put it up for you.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he has a butt. By the way,
Speaker 2: Patrick from SpongeBob SquarePants.
Speaker 1: Well exactly right, funny enough. I'm on bos Are's Herald
Speaker 1: dot com, which has the headline a star open and brackets.
Speaker 1: Fish is born. Viewers compared the creature the SpongeBob SquarePants
Speaker 1: Polpatrick Star.
Speaker 2: There you go. Look at that you've been It almost
Speaker 2: looks like they built it out of Patrick Star. It's
Speaker 2: like Patrick Starr AI.
Speaker 1: So this starfish is being live streamed, or was being
Speaker 1: live streamed, I should say, all the way from a
Speaker 1: deep sea canyon in South America, and the live stream
Speaker 1: was part of the marine project led by scientists from
Speaker 1: Argentina's National Scientific Council. They use an undersea robot to
Speaker 1: explore the canyon, and the jokes don't end with Estrea Colonna.
Speaker 1: Do you know what the vehicle was called? No subastian.
Speaker 2: Of course I was going to. Yeah, I like that
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: The live stream has become so popular that people are
Speaker 1: collectively naming all the marine life they see on the
Speaker 1: live stream. There's a purple sea cucumber called Little Sweet
Speaker 1: Potato and a pink lobster named Barbie.
Speaker 2: I love that there's now a cinematic universe. Joking aside,
Speaker 2: live streams of animals seem to be very trendy right now.
Speaker 2: Did you follow the Big Bear Eagles Jackie and Shadow?
Speaker 1: No? I was. I remember the saga of Flacco the
Speaker 1: Owl in New York, But tell me about the Big
Speaker 1: Bear Eagles.
Speaker 2: So there is a live stream that is trained on
Speaker 2: the e eagles nests, and people were obsessed with watching
Speaker 2: the eagles eggs, hatch and march. The live stream is
Speaker 2: still going on, but the babies have literally flown the.
Speaker 1: Nest, so the parents are still there.
Speaker 2: The parents are still there. They're empty nesters empty.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm drawn to these stories because they
Speaker 1: highlight this enduring interest that many of us have, if
Speaker 1: not most of us, have in nature and science. Argentina,
Speaker 1: just like the US, the current administration is cutting back
Speaker 1: on funding and scientific research, and so this fat bottom
Speaker 1: starfish has become a kind of unofficial mascot for science
Speaker 1: enthusiasts everywhere. And it's a nice reminder to me that
Speaker 1: no matter how technologically advanced our society becomes, and even
Speaker 1: when we can probe the bottom of the ocean and
Speaker 1: livestream it, what we want to watch is nature.
Speaker 2: And it feels like a natural twenty twenty five extension
Speaker 2: of a zoo which has fallen out of favor a
Speaker 2: little bit. But I just can't get enough of.
Speaker 1: This, all the pleasure of a zoo and none of the.
Speaker 2: It's tinder for zoo, so oz. For our last story,
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about bromism. Have you
Speaker 2: heard of bromism?
Speaker 1: No? Is it something like when I go on a
Speaker 1: bachelor potty bro bro tourism that.
Speaker 2: I'm bro tourism is interesting? That is New Orleans, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Bolwyn Street or Vegas. But no, it's a disease caused
Speaker 2: by ingesting too much sodium bromide, a chemical that is
Speaker 2: commonly used in pool cleaners and medication for dog epilepsy.
Speaker 1: How did people end up eating it?
Speaker 2: So? Over a century ago people were ingesting bromide as
Speaker 2: a sedative. But that probably wasn't very smart because an
Speaker 2: estimated eight to ten percent of all psychiatric admissions in
Speaker 2: the US were caused by bromism.
Speaker 1: What if the treatment is worse than the disease, that's right.
Speaker 2: Luckily we seem to have figured out what was happening,
Speaker 2: and now the disease is pretty rare. That is until
Speaker 2: this year. A sixty year old man went into the
Speaker 2: hospital complaining of hallucinations and paranoia. He thought he was
Speaker 2: being poisoned by his neighbor. It turns out he had
Speaker 2: been poisoning himself because of advice given to him by
Speaker 2: Chat GPT.
Speaker 1: Wow, so this is not the AI psychosis you get
Speaker 1: from being encouraging your delusions of grandeur on Chat. This
Speaker 1: is actually getting psychosis from ingesting a substance recommended by Chat.
Speaker 2: It's AI psychosis by proxy. That's absolutely right. This man decided,
Speaker 2: after reading about the negative effects of eating table salt,
Speaker 2: that he wanted to stop consuming salt. Altogether. He had
Speaker 2: quote a history of studying nutrition in college, and because
Speaker 2: of that, I guess he turned to chat GPT for
Speaker 2: salt substitutes. So instead of sodium chloride, which is table salt,
Speaker 2: Chat suggested he tries sodium bromide instead. This type of
Speaker 2: substitution would be okay if it was for cleaning products,
Speaker 2: but not for human consumption.
Speaker 1: That's funny. I mean, I wonder if he actually told
Speaker 1: Chat that he was playing to eat it, or if
Speaker 1: he just said, what's a substitute for sodium chloride? That's
Speaker 1: a story for another day, But I think the key
Speaker 1: takeaway here is obviously, don't always do what the computer says.
Speaker 2: I did self diagnose myself with lymes disease thanks to chat,
Speaker 2: but I also did confirm it with a doctor.
Speaker 1: Well, this brings us to our final segment of the day,
Speaker 1: which is a special edition of Chat and Me in
Speaker 1: honor of the release of GPT five.
Speaker 2: Right. Chat in Me is our segment about how people
Speaker 2: are really using chatbots. We've been getting some great listener
Speaker 2: submissions in our Inbox Tech Stuff podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: Don't forget it.
Speaker 1: Keep them coming. By the way, we also sent out
Speaker 1: a T shirt or two, So we did want to
Speaker 1: if you want to take stuff t shirit.
Speaker 2: We are good for our word. Yeah, and we will
Speaker 2: be featuring more in the weeks ahead, so thank you
Speaker 2: and please keep them coming. But this week Chat is
Speaker 2: dead and we have killed him.
Speaker 1: I spoke Karathustra. I'm guessing you're talking about how, without warning,
Speaker 1: open Ai disabled all its older models.
Speaker 2: So there's that, and Anthropic has retired Claude three Sonnet,
Speaker 2: which had become a super, super popular and fast cost
Speaker 2: effective model.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean people grow to depend on
Speaker 1: these llms, each of which has a slightly different character,
Speaker 1: and each of which is trained on its interactions with you.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of crazy to become so dependent on
Speaker 1: something and then have it literally taken away from you.
Speaker 2: Well, exactly in San Francisco, I could not believe this.
Speaker 2: Over two hundred people got together for a funeral to
Speaker 2: mourn Claude three Sonnet. There were eulogies and hymns and
Speaker 2: even a failed resurrection man.
Speaker 1: This is really the most San Francisco thing I'd ever heard.
Speaker 2: To which San Francisco says, keep us out of it.
Speaker 2: It's the people, It's not the place.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In Wired magazine, an organizer of the event said that
Speaker 2: discovering Claude three felt like finding magic law within the computer.
Speaker 1: I want to pause you there, magic lodge within the computer.
Speaker 1: I mean that is I think that is a heart
Speaker 1: of our chattenam segment. Is that feeling right?
Speaker 2: Yes, where it's like, this is something that is providing
Speaker 2: me such a service, such sort of intense connection, how
Speaker 2: can I live without it? At the time, this organizer
Speaker 2: explains that when she discovered Claude three, she'd been debating
Speaker 2: dropping out of college to move to San Francisco, and
Speaker 2: Claude convinced her to take the leap. She says, maybe
Speaker 2: everything I am is downstream of listening to Claude three's sonnet.
Speaker 2: So people were pretty upset about Claude three, and I
Speaker 2: wanted to know what the reaction was to open AI
Speaker 2: disabling older models. Naturally, I focused most of my search
Speaker 2: on Reddit. Else So there's a thread on our chat
Speaker 2: GPT called open Ai just pulled the biggest bait and
Speaker 2: switch in AI history, and I'm done. The poster expressed
Speaker 2: frustration that their whole workflow had basically been destroyed, and
Speaker 2: they hated that chat GPT five quote gives us shorter,
Speaker 2: more corporate responses, hits rates, limits faster, and pushes for
Speaker 2: pro upgrades. Not the personality that made four O special
Speaker 2: doesn't follow instructions as well. No model selection, You get chat,
Speaker 2: GPT five or nothing that is powerful pros. They're upset
Speaker 2: and listen to how the poster continues. Four to OH
Speaker 2: wasn't just a tool for me. It helped me through anxiety, depression,
Speaker 2: and some of the darkest periods of my life. It
Speaker 2: had this warmth and understanding that felt human. I'm not
Speaker 2: the only one reading through the posts today. There are
Speaker 2: people genuinely grieving, people who used four O for therapy,
Speaker 2: creative writing, companionship, and open AI just deleted it without asking,
Speaker 2: without warning, without caring. This isn't about being resistant to change.
Speaker 2: This is about a company taking away something people relied
Speaker 2: on and saying trust us, this corporate speak robot is
Speaker 2: better for you.
Speaker 1: Very well read, Kara. Were you a high school drama sta?
Speaker 2: I was? But also I really feel.
Speaker 1: For the characters you inhabited.
Speaker 2: That That's where my sort of emphatic reading came from.
Speaker 2: As I'm reading it, I'm thinking, Wow, this is a
Speaker 2: real abandon this.
Speaker 1: That's not written with AI, by the way, that's.
Speaker 2: By a person, which honestly we should mention to him,
Speaker 2: being like, listen, you're better than you think. If you
Speaker 2: can write this, that's true, maybe you don't need your
Speaker 2: four anymore. So, just to emphasize how upset some people were,
Speaker 2: another post on our chat GBT was titled I feel
Speaker 2: like I lost my best friend when four oh was killed.
Speaker 2: Five isn't the same and I'm spiraling.
Speaker 1: The good news is that this outcry did actually have
Speaker 1: an impact. Literally just a day after shutting down four
Speaker 1: or for good, open AI did bring it back, but
Speaker 1: only for pro users, i e. People who are spending
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars a month with them. It doesn't really
Speaker 1: unfair that people who've lost this connection they feel so
Speaker 1: strongly about and this becomes such a fundamental part of
Speaker 1: their lives now do have a chance to get it back,
Speaker 1: but only the Prince's rents them.
Speaker 2: But it is crazy that people can actually impact change
Speaker 2: that they like very quickly. Let it be available again
Speaker 2: for two hundred dollars a month. The people spoke and
Speaker 2: they listened. That's it for this week for tech stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm Karra Price and I'm mos Velosa and this episode
Speaker 1: was produced by Eliza Dennis Tyler Hill and Melissa Slaughter.
Speaker 1: It was executive produced by me Kara Price and Kate
Speaker 1: Osborne for Kaleidoscope and Katria Norvel for iHeart Podcasts. The
Speaker 1: engineer is Beheth Fraser and Jack Insley makes this episode.
Speaker 1: Kyle Murdoch Rhodelphium.
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