Speaker 1: I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When
Speaker 1: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 1: And when I find my ball in.
Speaker 2: A bride egg Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg, Frida Egg,
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Speaker 1: Lie, I'm about ready to run off the the.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Egg podcast.
Speaker 2: Today's episode is with Nick Sherburn, the founder of Club Champion.
Speaker 2: I hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving. Really excited about
Speaker 2: this episode with Nick. I've gotten to know him over
Speaker 2: the years. We're both from Chicago. I've been going to
Speaker 2: Club Champion basically my whole life. Nick is a really
Speaker 2: good dude and knows so much about equipment. This year,
Speaker 2: I kind of I got bit by the retro club bug.
Speaker 2: So I've been playing a lot of older equipment and
Speaker 2: it's been super fun. And I've been thinking a lot
Speaker 2: about like different bags and sets of clubs that you
Speaker 2: could have that represent different eras and how you'd want
Speaker 2: to put those bags together. And I emailed Nick and
Speaker 2: literally he played golf in the nineties and you know,
Speaker 2: high school and everything, but he started his business in
Speaker 2: the late nineties early two thousands, and you know, it
Speaker 2: was fitting a lot of these clubs that are the
Speaker 2: ones that I was looking for. So Nick was a natural,
Speaker 2: great fit for this episode and really had had a blast.
Speaker 2: You know, I thought this could be a cool topic,
Speaker 2: but I was thrilled about how it turned out. So
Speaker 2: what we did, what the exercise was, was we put together
Speaker 2: retro bags from the eighties, the nineties and then the
Speaker 2: early two thousands, so kind of nominated what we would
Speaker 2: do for drivers, Fairley woods, putters and wedges and irons
Speaker 2: in every bag, and it should for people that play
Speaker 2: golf in those eras, should be kind of a trip
Speaker 2: town memory lane. You're probably gonna hear some equipment that
Speaker 2: you haven't thought of in a long time. And I
Speaker 2: can't tell you how much fun I had thinking and
Speaker 2: researching and putting together these bags. So a quick reminder,
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Speaker 2: So without further ado, here is Nick Sherburn on retro sets. Nick,
Speaker 2: I have to say, you know, researching this topic, I
Speaker 2: had just a flood of nostalgia trips down memory lane,
Speaker 2: remembering like days on the driving Range and junior tournaments
Speaker 2: and what people were gaming. But this was really fun
Speaker 2: to kind of stroll down clubs that I didn't play,
Speaker 2: like the eighties clubs that you know, they were still
Speaker 2: in bags in the nineties, but but then the really
Speaker 2: the nineties and the early two thousands was was really fun.
Speaker 2: Welcome out the podcast and thanks for thanks for doing
Speaker 2: this little exercise with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: And you know, normally I'm on podcasts talking about you know,
Speaker 3: club fitting and club champion and I know we'll discuss
Speaker 3: a little of that. But when you said, hey, let's
Speaker 3: have a little fun building retro bags, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that sounds good.
Speaker 1: Let's do that.
Speaker 3: And we, as we mentioned before, we jumped on recording.
Speaker 3: It's like there was some rabbit holes I went down
Speaker 3: that were pretty fun.
Speaker 2: You know, this the impetus and the idea for this topic.
Speaker 2: I have had some club's break this year and it
Speaker 2: left me with like, you know, I had this like
Speaker 2: set of FG seventeen Wilson's that were just like sitting
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna play
Speaker 2: these all the time until I go ghetto new fitting.
Speaker 2: And I just haven't done it because I've been really
Speaker 2: busy and I haven't like just set aside the time.
Speaker 1: Did the clubs break by themselves.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, yeah, the POxy the POxy came loose and
Speaker 2: they're old. They're like Apex pros from like the early
Speaker 2: generation Calaways.
Speaker 1: Making sure there was no anger issues that we maybe
Speaker 1: needed to talk about.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: And then I had this driver.
Speaker 2: My buddy who plays on the corn Ferry Tour gave
Speaker 2: me a great big Bertha Alpha and it's funny, like
Speaker 2: just a side note, And I don't want this to
Speaker 2: come across as an ad, but like I've gone to
Speaker 2: Club Champion multiple times to try and get fit for
Speaker 2: something new, and the guy that I've gone to for
Speaker 2: club fitting for a number of years now has been like, no, like,
Speaker 2: I can't like this driver. You'd be crazy to change,
Speaker 2: Like your dispersion pattern is so tight, and it cracked
Speaker 2: on me. I like almost cried when it cracked. So
Speaker 2: I lost my driver, I lost a couple irons, and
Speaker 2: I just was like, all right, in the meantime, I'm
Speaker 2: going full retro. So I've been going I've been playing
Speaker 2: retro clubs. And one of the great things about retro
Speaker 2: clubs is it can be like it can absolutely be
Speaker 2: a hobby for anybody because if you go online, you
Speaker 2: can buy like cool old clubs that were like great
Speaker 2: clubs in their day for very cheap. I was looking
Speaker 2: at like a pings Tisi driver that's like forty dollars
Speaker 2: with a pro four shaft in it.
Speaker 4: I was like, that was that was the driver for
Speaker 4: a couple of years.
Speaker 2: But anyways, that was the impetus of this conversation is like,
Speaker 2: what would be really cool sets of clubs from different
Speaker 2: generations if you wanted to have retro bags.
Speaker 4: I play a lot of classic golf courses.
Speaker 2: What I've found has been really fun is that I'm
Speaker 2: playing like the regular teas and I'm hitting lots of
Speaker 2: long irons into courses that would a lot of times
Speaker 2: if you're if you're if you have a pretty high
Speaker 2: ball speed, it's going to be like a driver wedge
Speaker 2: fest and that's that's been really fun. I'm kind of
Speaker 2: getting tired of it being every day, but I bet
Speaker 2: it has been fun.
Speaker 4: So that was kind of the impetus, and let's kind
Speaker 4: of get into it.
Speaker 2: I for this, we did eighties, nineties, and two thousands,
Speaker 2: and the thing I found and I'm sure you found,
Speaker 2: but like the nineties is probably the hardest one because
Speaker 2: there was so much innovation.
Speaker 3: I agree it was harder to make a decision on
Speaker 3: which ones. I actually put like two in a lot
Speaker 3: of places where I'd be like, I'd be really on
Speaker 3: the fence.
Speaker 1: With this.
Speaker 3: Eighties I found to be the toughest, only because I
Speaker 3: was born in eighty three, so like, yeah, I play.
Speaker 3: I actually played a couple of the clubs that came
Speaker 3: in the eighties to your point in the nineties, but
Speaker 3: I didn't really you know, I wasn't a golfer then
Speaker 3: and whatever, and so that one I found to be
Speaker 3: a little tougher. But yeah, this there were some interesting things.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to divulge some of my my findings.
Speaker 4: That's that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Like the eighties, I feel like this like golf, like
Speaker 2: mid nineties is where like equipment changed forever. But when
Speaker 2: you're like in the even into the late nineties and
Speaker 2: you saw it on tour. I mean Davis Love at Vague,
Speaker 2: that Vegas tournament that Tiger won his first win on tour,
Speaker 2: Davis Loves in the playoff playing a Percimit driver. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's that's when the world kind of just changed.
Speaker 2: But at the at the end of the nineties, the
Speaker 2: bags were still filled with eighties clubs. Like you know,
Speaker 2: there were still tailor made burners floating floating around. So
Speaker 2: let's I'll let you start. Let's talk drivers of the eighties.
Speaker 2: What what do you got?
Speaker 3: So again, this was tough because I was not a
Speaker 3: golfer in the eighties. I didn't become a golfer till
Speaker 3: early nineties. So I when doing research, I think if
Speaker 3: I were to played a driver in the eighties, it
Speaker 3: probably would have been either Taylor Mats at Pittsburgh per
Speaker 3: Simon or the ping I two per Simmon Wood, which
Speaker 3: actually I did play one of their ping I two
Speaker 3: Fairway woods in the early nineties.
Speaker 2: Those they had the laminates then, yeah, which like completely
Speaker 2: changed the game, and those stuck around for a long
Speaker 2: time because they didn't break as easily as the Persimmon clubs.
Speaker 4: I had a couple here.
Speaker 2: You actually have these woods of mine in your office,
Speaker 2: the Hogan Apexes.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 4: If you're looking at.
Speaker 2: Like a persimmon set of persimmon woods, these are like
Speaker 2: absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker 3: Well, and they were one of the most famous, like
Speaker 3: in the eighties, like one of the best selling too.
Speaker 3: That was actually in That would have been an honorable
Speaker 3: mention on mine. I've seen yours. I've seen them a
Speaker 3: couple of times. I've never actually hit when I should
Speaker 3: just take years and go hit it.
Speaker 4: I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: I've not got That was a good one too.
Speaker 2: And then for my honorable mention, I've got like the
Speaker 2: tailor made tour Burner the medal the original metal wood.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's well, yeah, that's kind Yeah, I did the
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Pittsburgh per Simon, but I guess that was probably
Speaker 3: that was more like late It was like seventy eight,
Speaker 3: seventy nine, and then it got big and early and then.
Speaker 1: They came out with that. But yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 4: Pittsburghsimon was the first medal.
Speaker 3: Right, right, Yeah, Pittsburgh per Simon was the first metal driver.
Speaker 3: I think ever designed. Well, it was the first mainstream one,
Speaker 3: that's for sure.
Speaker 4: What do you have for faaraway woods?
Speaker 3: Well, this was one of my favorites, and I actually
Speaker 3: played this in the nineties for a year, probably my
Speaker 3: whole high school career, almost I had two fairwoods in
Speaker 3: high school. The other one I'll talk about in the nineties
Speaker 3: when we get there. But the Callaway s two h
Speaker 3: two oh. And it was a tiny little bore through
Speaker 3: a little head. It was small, but like a decent
Speaker 3: amount of tour guys played. I think, like Freddy Couples
Speaker 3: is how I got onto it. He was smoking one
Speaker 3: and you know, and then I played it in the nineties.
Speaker 3: I didn't play golf in the eighties, but I just
Speaker 3: remember thinking it was like the coolest thing ever. I
Speaker 3: think I even reshafted it once with a pro Force
Speaker 3: gold in the nineties.
Speaker 2: By Ust, we're gonna have to talk about that shaft
Speaker 2: for at like, because that was like an iconic piece
Speaker 2: of equipment in the nineties.
Speaker 4: That that three wood.
Speaker 2: So my uncle was a great player, not a great player,
Speaker 2: a really good amateur player, and as a kid he
Speaker 2: had I think the next iteration of that three wood
Speaker 2: was the Bobby Jones of Calway. I think it was
Speaker 2: the Bobby Jones three Wood, and I just remember he
Speaker 2: used that into like the two thousands, and I thought
Speaker 2: it was I mean, I hit it a few times
Speaker 2: and I was like, this is like one of the
Speaker 2: greatest fairy woods ever. And I haven't ever hit the
Speaker 2: S two h two, but like I look, I was
Speaker 2: looking at it online and had it looked so similar
Speaker 2: to that Bobby Jones, and I mean Callaway. Callaway was
Speaker 2: such an innovator in the three Wood, and I think
Speaker 2: the Fairway. Obviously the Big Bertha is going to be
Speaker 2: a topic of the nineties, but like the three Woods
Speaker 2: and what they did with Faaraway woods, and it was very,
Speaker 2: very innovative with the Big Bertha and the war Birds.
Speaker 2: But before that, That's two h two was probably the
Speaker 2: thing that started everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember just hit it didn't have much forgiveness.
Speaker 3: But again nineties, we didn't really have a lot of
Speaker 3: tell us what was good outside of which just could
Speaker 3: you hit it right and did you like the look
Speaker 3: in the field. I just remember it looking good, feeling good,
Speaker 3: and it would hit these low like screamers that just
Speaker 3: went a mile. At the time, and I was like, man,
Speaker 3: I love this thing. Plus it had like, you know,
Speaker 3: some of the two credibility. It was just kind of
Speaker 3: cool as you know high school or whatever, junior higher.
Speaker 3: And I reshafted that thing a couple different times. I
Speaker 3: even at one point, this is how sick I can get,
Speaker 3: is I realy? I took it to a buck. It
Speaker 3: had like if you look it up online you can
Speaker 3: see it. It's a little gray like old satin finish.
Speaker 3: I took it to a buffing wheel and made it
Speaker 3: like and this was kind of popular back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we would do this.
Speaker 3: And I bumped it and made it like a mirror
Speaker 3: finish and it was really cool.
Speaker 2: It's uh, that's kind of along the lines of uh
Speaker 2: was it the titleist headcover?
Speaker 4: If you turned it inside out?
Speaker 1: Tailor made was a tailor made burner one.
Speaker 3: You turn it inside out and it was like that
Speaker 3: crazy like it almost looked like the Big Lebowski's coat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like woven. It was super cool from
Speaker 2: by Fairway Woods. I had, you know, this was pre hybrid,
Speaker 2: so I kind of cheated. I got two in here.
Speaker 2: I had the tailor made tour spoon, the little.
Speaker 3: That's a good. Oh, that is a good one. In fact,
Speaker 3: I know I had one of those two that I
Speaker 3: forgot about. That good one.
Speaker 2: And then the Cobra baffler with the rail on the bottom,
Speaker 2: the wood, the wood with the rails on the bottom.
Speaker 2: It was incredible at digging balls out of rough.
Speaker 3: You know, I I don't know if I even I'm
Speaker 3: gonna look that one up because I wouldn't have guessed
Speaker 3: that was the eighties, Huh.
Speaker 4: I think I think it was the eighties fairly.
Speaker 3: It probably was, now that you said it, I think
Speaker 3: it probably was. I never played one, but I definitely
Speaker 3: remember now that you brought it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I you know, my dad's not a great player.
Speaker 2: One of my memories of it, like my dad's like,
Speaker 2: you know, he's like a probably at the time between
Speaker 2: a twelve and a fifteen, and I remember as a kid,
Speaker 2: he was like two forty out and thick rough and
Speaker 2: he just hit it and he hid into this group.
Speaker 2: And I'll never forget it because it like we never
Speaker 2: thought in a million years he'd get there, and he
Speaker 2: hid into this group and it just like it. That's
Speaker 2: a shot that I'll never forget from my childhood. But
Speaker 2: like the virtues of that club. And it's really I
Speaker 2: think it kind of was something that like went into hybrids.
Speaker 4: Was like it was really.
Speaker 2: Easy to hit and and the thing it was really
Speaker 2: great at was like getting you could hit it out
Speaker 2: of pretty thick rough you know.
Speaker 4: Long irons then were just a disaster out of the rough.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Fairway woods when you when you really think about like
Speaker 3: the ones we're talking about today, honestly, that was that
Speaker 3: generation's hybrid because there to your point, there was no hybrids,
Speaker 3: but fairway woods were smaller, they had more rounded souls,
Speaker 3: things like that you could dig them out of stuff.
Speaker 3: Where once like the speed height hybrid fairway wood came,
Speaker 3: it kind of created the need for a hybrid because
Speaker 3: it flipped the script where you didn't need it so
Speaker 3: much back in the day.
Speaker 2: Question, I've got this pet three wood, and when I
Speaker 2: shake it, I hear a POxy. You know if I
Speaker 2: when I swig, I hear a POxy. This is a
Speaker 2: club I've been playing all year. I might not go
Speaker 2: back to modern three wood.
Speaker 4: I might keep this. I love it.
Speaker 3: By the way, the title is pat not to spoiler
Speaker 3: alert titleist pt is my three wood of the nineties.
Speaker 4: I mean Tiger made.
Speaker 2: It's so cool. It's it's insanely fun to play. It's insane.
Speaker 2: I've had more fun hitting that club like I hit
Speaker 2: it irrationally just because I want to hit it. I
Speaker 2: one of my questions I've I like, worried about the
Speaker 2: shaft breaking, like the POxy.
Speaker 4: Can people still do the boar through shaft?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 3: Now I'm not sure how many, Like if you took
Speaker 3: it to Tom Dick or Harry's place, you know, a
Speaker 3: younger club maker, Like even if it came to us,
Speaker 3: I guarantee if you went to one of our stores,
Speaker 3: they're gonna be like, yeah, we're gonna have to send
Speaker 3: this back and Nick's.
Speaker 1: Probably gonna be the one that does it.
Speaker 3: Or you know, I got two old school builders that
Speaker 3: you know, I've been building with for many, many years.
Speaker 3: There's about three of us that would have no we
Speaker 3: would love to do it. To be honest with you,
Speaker 3: I can still whip a wooden wood, just believe it
Speaker 3: or not. I could actually if you really wanted me to,
Speaker 3: I could refinish a wooden wood. I don't really have
Speaker 3: that many hours my day anymore. But if we were
Speaker 3: going to go back to nineteen ninety eight when Club
Speaker 3: Champions started or EJL, which is the business that branched
Speaker 3: out to be Club Champion, we were pretty dead and
Speaker 3: we spent most of our winners refinishing wooden woods. So
Speaker 3: I can still do it.
Speaker 4: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's ah, that's I mean the refurbishing of equipment like
Speaker 2: I got years ago a toillium and we can talk.
Speaker 4: I'm there's two a rabbit holes with this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the research like this, the refinishing of old equipment
Speaker 2: when you get something back, and it's just it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: It brings kind of all the fields. All right, what
Speaker 2: about irons? You what are you going with?
Speaker 3: So if I had to play, and it's funny we
Speaker 3: still have people walking our doors today and still bring
Speaker 3: them in is. And if I were playing with my ability,
Speaker 3: it would have been the ping I too, probably, but
Speaker 3: the three sets I have three sets, I would have
Speaker 3: got three sets. We've been ping Eye two, Tommy Armor
Speaker 3: five forty fives. And then here's this one that people
Speaker 3: are really not going to know, but I know because
Speaker 3: when I got into custom fitting in the nineties, these
Speaker 3: were like the most custom you could ever get, which
Speaker 3: were Kenneth Smith's.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, don't call me Kenny Kenneth Smith. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: uh So I have two of the three I've got.
Speaker 4: I had three written down to pig.
Speaker 2: I two's Silver Scott and then I've got the Titleist
Speaker 2: Tour model. I just think that they are like aesthetically,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't they're the some of the
Speaker 2: most gorgeous irons that you can see look at now.
Speaker 2: I don't think that like I personally, I've been playing
Speaker 2: these FG seventeens, these Wilson FG seventeens. I think they
Speaker 2: are better irons, better performed, like they're really like having
Speaker 2: hit both of them. I have sets of both. I
Speaker 2: like the FG seventeens like more. But I think those
Speaker 2: Titleist Tour models are incredibly good looking. The other ones
Speaker 2: that I throw in here that are like sneak great irons,
Speaker 2: like and like Street Cred Brand that like kind of
Speaker 2: no longer exists, the Maxfly Aussie Blades.
Speaker 1: Ah, that was that was gonna make my list.
Speaker 3: I went with the Kennis Smiths because I was like, well,
Speaker 3: nobody's gonna really remember those. Maybe they'll go look at him.
Speaker 3: But as a club fitter and a clubmaker at the time.
Speaker 3: They were just like kind of this really like weird
Speaker 3: niche thing, but kind of like Henry Griffith's. Most people
Speaker 3: don't know that, like that was one of my first
Speaker 3: sets ever, but like, yeah, those those and actually, believe
Speaker 3: it or not, I was selling Maxifly irons when we
Speaker 3: started the business at that was good stuff. In fact,
Speaker 3: I went and bought a set one of my good customers.
Speaker 3: He's also become a really good friend after twenty some years.
Speaker 3: One of the first sets he ever had was that
Speaker 3: set that Aussie blades, and I went out and found
Speaker 3: him a set on eBay, refurbished him for him, and
Speaker 3: we found a shadow box put him and me and
Speaker 3: his family helped him create this set in the shadow
Speaker 3: box of that and it was really cool.
Speaker 4: That's yeah, I mean, that's the cool thing.
Speaker 2: I you know, my my FG seventeens have been playing
Speaker 2: have modern shafts in them. They have like my spec
Speaker 2: shafts from the guy Elliott at T World Clubs. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you've ever seen that account. They refurbish,
Speaker 2: they do all sorts of old old school irons. He
Speaker 2: was like trying to he was like, I was like dude,
Speaker 2: you know, it would be great if I could get
Speaker 2: modern shafts in them, and and I sent them the
Speaker 2: spec shafts I have in the clubs that you know,
Speaker 2: I've used forever from you guys, and he put those
Speaker 2: shafts in them, and I mean, that's that's made it
Speaker 2: a lot more fun. It could also be why I
Speaker 2: like them a lot more than the tour models that
Speaker 2: have like they're they're actually Lebron h Harris's old irons,
Speaker 2: and that could be that could be part of it.
Speaker 4: It's like the specs are more mine.
Speaker 1: Well, we still reshaft.
Speaker 3: We have other folks that are similar to yourself that
Speaker 3: sometimes want a nostalgic set shaft of the thing. And
Speaker 3: I always laugh when I hand him to. Sometimes our
Speaker 3: younger like builders who haven't maybe done a club from
Speaker 3: the eighties and like a club like that, they may
Speaker 3: have a pin in it and they're like they're like, Nick,
Speaker 3: I can't get this head off, man, Like what's going on.
Speaker 1: I'm heating it up. I'm eating it up. And I
Speaker 1: could have told him.
Speaker 3: I just like to watch him kind of like squirm
Speaker 3: at it for a while and and I'm like, did
Speaker 3: you look at the hasle a little closer, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: is that a pin. I'm like, yeah, back then, poxies
Speaker 3: weren't quite as good. I mean, every POxy still has
Speaker 3: a chance to break, but like back then, especially so
Speaker 3: they put a pin in there, and then that pin
Speaker 3: would it keep extra stability? You got to pop the pin,
Speaker 3: then hit the you know, the heat, and then he
Speaker 3: popped the head off and they're just like they always laugh.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, you weren't born in the eighties, so
Speaker 3: I know why that's not registering to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The other thing about the eighties in the early nineties
Speaker 2: was the you know, there were still like individual like
Speaker 2: small shop club makers around, Like you just talked about
Speaker 2: Kenneth Kenneth Griffith.
Speaker 4: No, not Kenneth Griffin Smith. Kenneth Smith and I.
Speaker 2: Grew up in Lake Bluff, Illinois, north of Chicago, and
Speaker 2: there was a famous club maker that had a shop
Speaker 2: at on Wensey, a club called Hubby hub John. You
Speaker 2: ran into that, you ran into Hubbies clubs, but like
Speaker 2: you know, you go up there, anybody could go you
Speaker 2: go up. He had like it was at the top
Speaker 2: floor of this old on Wentzy a clubhouse like iconic
Speaker 2: old clubhouse.
Speaker 4: You go up there and there's just this guy that
Speaker 4: was like he was a club maker. I mean, this
Speaker 4: is you. We'd run across.
Speaker 2: Him all the time because like I got a ton
Speaker 2: of clubs at my church's rummage sale. Like I'd go
Speaker 2: there and like I'd get like it was Lake Forrest,
Speaker 2: Like you get tons of golfers that just like turn
Speaker 2: in these sets of clubs that were like great clubs.
Speaker 2: And for a kid that didn't, like I didn't have
Speaker 2: like money to spend on clubs, I'd go there and
Speaker 2: get like, you know, these great clubs for four dollars,
Speaker 2: but ones that I always came across for Hubby hub
Speaker 2: John's and I had like a bunch to Hubby hub
Speaker 2: John clubs that would try out. None of them ever,
Speaker 2: like really worked for me. But at this time. One
Speaker 2: of the other cool things was like you had these
Speaker 2: like just like individual club makers.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and that's how I got mine. I mean, ever,
Speaker 3: Lockinvitz was a clubmaker kind of like that. He would
Speaker 3: have been kind of Hubby's age too, actually maybe not
Speaker 3: much younger, but about that. And that's how East who
Speaker 3: taught me ninety percent of what I know. You know
Speaker 3: about club fitting, club club building, all right, I should
Speaker 3: say club building more than anything, because he was one
Speaker 3: of those guys, and so you know, that's how you learn.
Speaker 3: Those those guys knew how to build a golf club.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all right, Putters. Did you do putters?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did, Potter.
Speaker 3: I actually did a wedge and I did ping, I too,
Speaker 3: and I think that's probably I just that would have
Speaker 3: been it. But yeah, and then Potter wise, I did
Speaker 3: the Zebra, which I the ram Zebra. I still own
Speaker 3: one for the originals.
Speaker 4: I have one above me right here.
Speaker 3: It it.
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like that. You know.
Speaker 2: The thing about the zebra is if you walked into
Speaker 2: somebody's office or walked into somebody's like putting, like Matt
Speaker 2: at their house in the nineties, like there was like
Speaker 2: a ninety percent chance of the zebra as the putter
Speaker 2: that was laying there.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, again, this is when I was just
Speaker 1: getting into the game.
Speaker 3: But for me, I just remember everybody playing, like you know, ping,
Speaker 3: answers things like that, and those are cool. But like
Speaker 3: I was a kid, and I'm like, man, this mallet
Speaker 3: looks cool because there wasn't really mallets as much then
Speaker 3: and I'm like, there's some aiming device.
Speaker 1: It's kind of cool.
Speaker 3: It's funny now with whoever's relaunching it, and there's now
Speaker 3: you can go buy a new one. I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: I'll never buy a new one. I would just refinish
Speaker 3: my original one if I really wanted to play it,
Speaker 3: because it's it's it's og, I'd have to stay with that.
Speaker 2: I have to say, Putter innovation is one of the
Speaker 2: less Like everybody talks about dry irons all that. If
Speaker 2: you use an eighties Putter, it's shocking how much harder.
Speaker 4: It is to put with.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's so I had, so I had, I had,
Speaker 2: I had a couple in here. I think like I'd
Speaker 2: be hard pressed not to go with a ping Yeah,
Speaker 2: I had like a ping answer. It could be the
Speaker 2: answer original answer. I'm not sure that was the eighties.
Speaker 2: It might have been like late seventies, but like you had,
Speaker 2: like the answer for that was the silver one. I
Speaker 2: think the answer to you had, you know, all these
Speaker 2: different models of answer and uh to me or the
Speaker 2: ping zing, the ping zing sneaky like cool Putter, Like,
Speaker 2: I think, is that the laguna now of the Scottie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you could you could do the insert
Speaker 3: ping putter here and just cover every ping putter and
Speaker 3: chance odds are I probably owned one or plotted with one,
Speaker 3: and they were all pretty darn good.
Speaker 2: I feel like one of the things about the like
Speaker 2: Ping's innovation is astounding, like they they were the innovative
Speaker 2: brand at this time.
Speaker 4: I mean, like you think of.
Speaker 2: The Irons like they really, you know, and then you
Speaker 2: get into the nineties with the tis I, but like
Speaker 2: the Putters, like they they really I feel like we're
Speaker 2: pushing the envelope.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think they not that other companies
Speaker 3: weren't doing like engineering engineering, but I think they were
Speaker 3: taking it more from a golf approach, you know, stuff
Speaker 3: like that with some general engineering principles. I think, you know,
Speaker 3: Solheim was an engineer at heart first and you know
Speaker 3: everything else, and then kind of like instead of being
Speaker 3: a golfer an engineer, he was an engineer than a golfer,
Speaker 3: and I think that helped him break the mold of
Speaker 3: like what others were doing. And that's why like PINGY two,
Speaker 3: I'd be hard for me not to play a Ping
Speaker 3: I too, because I like a little forgiveness that was
Speaker 3: really one of your first really game, and you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you call it game improvement, but
Speaker 3: forgiving irons back then, and in same thing with his putters,
Speaker 3: I think he took that same approach. It was one
Speaker 3: of the more forgiving and I mean, if we're being honest,
Speaker 3: I mean his those those those kind of shapes and
Speaker 3: designs have lived on for thirty some years.
Speaker 2: Like those, those are the still the designs you're buying,
Speaker 2: like across the board, like so many brands, I mean,
Speaker 2: so many putters. And then if you're going with a bag,
Speaker 2: it has to be a Pig at this time or
Speaker 2: a Jones.
Speaker 1: You know what. I didn't do bags.
Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, well I still use a ping hoofer, so
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be probably like the original L eight at
Speaker 2: this time, the single strap L eight or or like
Speaker 2: that Jones bag was a big deal at this time.
Speaker 3: I didn't do bags, But I'm gonna ride with whatever
Speaker 3: you probably did because it sounds like you know them.
Speaker 3: But if that ping hoof for the original one with
Speaker 3: the one strapper, what is it, elie If not a
Speaker 3: hoof for at the time or whatever it was with
Speaker 3: the one strap, You're right, I owned one of those two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might not have had the stand at this
Speaker 2: point because I think I'm not positive and people are
Speaker 2: gonna definitely correct me here because there's gonna be a
Speaker 2: lot of inaccuracies. But the uh, I think Jones was
Speaker 2: that first stand, so that might be. But I love
Speaker 2: the the no stand single strap ping ul eate, which
Speaker 2: and then the hoofer would have.
Speaker 4: Been in the nineties.
Speaker 2: And but I believe that the second, the double strap
Speaker 2: ping L eight, was like the greatest bag ever made.
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Speaker 2: with Nick Sherburn. All right, I got to ask you,
Speaker 2: so we're moving to the nineties and to be something
Speaker 2: that I when I was doing this that stuck out
Speaker 2: was like, this has to be like the golf shaft.
Speaker 2: This is just the this is the decade of like
Speaker 2: real like innovation. You could list twenty clubs for all
Speaker 2: these and you're not have a bad answer. But also
Speaker 2: the golf shaft. This is where, like I remember, this
Speaker 2: is where like customization kind of started, right yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a high schooler and I wanted to
Speaker 3: get customized, started learning met Everett started a business in
Speaker 3: the late nineties. That now here we are twenty four
Speaker 3: years later. But I mean, we'll jump into it. Like
Speaker 3: for me, I put driver, I put the callaway Big
Speaker 3: Bertha the tailor made burner in the nine to seventy
Speaker 3: five D. And the funny part is is the burner
Speaker 3: came out. I had no money, could my family could
Speaker 3: never afford it. But my best friend, whose dad could
Speaker 3: afford it and was a huge golfer, who got me
Speaker 3: into golf was my family didn't golf. He got him
Speaker 3: with the bubble shaft, and I about died. I wanted
Speaker 3: to hit it all the time, you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 3: I eventually ended up being able to get one. I
Speaker 3: worked one summer or whatever and get one. But the
Speaker 3: best story is the nine seventy five D, which is
Speaker 3: what I played pretty much all through high school. Reshafted
Speaker 3: like ten times with like I had a pro force
Speaker 3: in there. I had a true temper ei seventy. I
Speaker 3: had a gravelly pro light in there. And actually I
Speaker 3: borrowed the money from my grandma to buy it. And
Speaker 3: what she did is she charged me interest, and she
Speaker 3: sent me a postcard every month with you know what
Speaker 3: the balance of my loan was, what I had paid
Speaker 3: an interest in the whole nine yards. It was a
Speaker 3: great lesson and that's how I got my nine seventy
Speaker 3: five d.
Speaker 2: That's like an incredible graandmar teaching you like like this
Speaker 2: is the way, this is what borrowing money is. You know, yep,
Speaker 2: I have I have five written down. One comical one
Speaker 2: that I have to fit in is the Wilson fat shaft.
Speaker 1: Ooh hey, a lot of people bought those things though,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: But my cousin up until like five years ago, he's
Speaker 2: a good player, played in high school, like really good player.
Speaker 2: Still just had the five five wood fat shaft in
Speaker 2: his bag and he would just take it out and
Speaker 2: practice swing. So you'd hear the wooshing. What was the
Speaker 2: principal behind the bubble shaft? That was a question I
Speaker 2: had for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I used to know the answer to this,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to guess on what it is because
Speaker 3: I don't really remember after all this time.
Speaker 1: But I did, I mean obviously knew it one time.
Speaker 1: I want to say.
Speaker 3: What they were trying to create was a little bit
Speaker 3: higher kick points, so like you know, it's firmer up
Speaker 3: there at the at the top and you know, but
Speaker 3: not make it play stiff, so like you had a
Speaker 3: normal handle, right, Like a lot of times, if you
Speaker 3: make a shaft that's supposed to be kind of lower launching,
Speaker 3: lower spinning, it's gonna play really stiff for most people
Speaker 3: that think, you know, they really can't swing it. The
Speaker 3: bubble shaft allows you to have more of a normal
Speaker 3: like butt section. Didn't feel super hard to swing, but
Speaker 3: the shaft didn't throw it real high in the air.
Speaker 3: I believe that's what they were trying to accomplish there,
Speaker 3: but I can't remember that.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the I gained a lot of my high
Speaker 2: school career was a great big Bertha with the pro force.
Speaker 2: That's obviously, and there I feel I've hard pressed to
Speaker 2: like put it over the big Bertha, which was, like
Speaker 2: you know, obviously like a transcendent club The other one
Speaker 2: I had was the ping tis I, and I had
Speaker 2: it in here.
Speaker 4: I feel like everybody used it.
Speaker 2: And the thing that I like think is comical about
Speaker 2: it was how the weight in the back like always popped.
Speaker 3: Out, always fell out. Now here's the other thing, that hozzle. Okay,
Speaker 3: So the ping ice I was huge, and you know
Speaker 3: I owned one of those because that was later like
Speaker 3: when we we had the business going so and so
Speaker 3: we didn't sell ping of time. We couldn't get an account,
Speaker 3: but we had tons of people would come to us
Speaker 3: and want reshafted. For folks that may not know that
Speaker 3: ping ice I had a plastic hozzle. The idea was
Speaker 3: is different hozzles had differently angles, YadA, YadA, YadA, and
Speaker 3: so you know, they created like a little PBC pipe
Speaker 3: kind of like tool that we could use. And what
Speaker 3: we'd have to do is heat up a long rod,
Speaker 3: shove it down the shaft, heat it, try to heat
Speaker 3: it internally and then take this thing off. And it
Speaker 3: was always a gamble of whether you were going to
Speaker 3: burn that that hozzle or not and just completely ruin
Speaker 3: the whole thing. Then they eventually, you know, people knocked
Speaker 3: off the hozzle. So at least you could take out
Speaker 3: the one if you ruined it and in a new one.
Speaker 3: But man, we reshafted a lot of those and they
Speaker 3: were a pain in the butt. But that was a
Speaker 3: good driver.
Speaker 4: It was a great, great driver.
Speaker 2: I think like that the title is run from this
Speaker 2: point and drivers was really great with the D, the
Speaker 2: J and then the K like those all three of
Speaker 2: those drivers were spectacular. There was something about the aesthetic
Speaker 2: look of the titleist at that time.
Speaker 3: Oh so good, so clean. I mean that night, I mean,
Speaker 3: I loved my nine seventy five D. I thought that
Speaker 3: was just like the greatest thing ever. And then I
Speaker 3: you know, that was when I was starting to get
Speaker 3: really into club building. And you know, you had a
Speaker 3: three and a half inch bore through which just stiff
Speaker 3: in the crap out of the shaft. That was one
Speaker 3: of the things that helped them, you know, keep the
Speaker 3: spin and launch down, just like I believe you know,
Speaker 3: they were trying to do with the bubble shaft. Then
Speaker 3: I found out, I'm like, man, this makes the shaft
Speaker 3: really stiff. So we started blind booring it, where we
Speaker 3: would leave two inches of shaft in the in the
Speaker 3: in the boar through and then just put the real
Speaker 3: shaft we want on it on top of that, so
Speaker 3: that you really only had your shaft in there an
Speaker 3: inch and a half. And then that really created some
Speaker 3: you know, speed for me.
Speaker 1: I had. I had a lot of fun with that driver.
Speaker 2: That had to mess with like fittings right that the
Speaker 2: shaft would come out way stiffer than actual right, I
Speaker 2: mean that's not you couldn't you had to boor through shaft.
Speaker 4: It's not like you could pop it enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you couldn't measure as much stuff back then.
Speaker 3: So that was back when we really had to be
Speaker 3: like artists to a degree and kind of know what
Speaker 3: was going to happen because there wasn't a lot of
Speaker 3: ways to measure it back then.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go with the I'll go with I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go with the D. I never I never had
Speaker 2: the big bubble shaft. I you know, that was something
Speaker 2: I always wanted that. One of the things about the
Speaker 2: burner bubble is underrated things just the color of it.
Speaker 3: Well, so I ended up I got a driver. I
Speaker 3: ended up, you know, over time, building up to buy
Speaker 3: these things or whatever. I remember I used the three
Speaker 3: wood for a super long time. And actually back in
Speaker 3: the day, I used to not use a T. I
Speaker 3: used to take the like the toe of that three wood,
Speaker 3: hit it in the ground, create like a dipple, and
Speaker 3: then put the ball on top of it and smoke
Speaker 3: it off the T.
Speaker 1: That's what I would do.
Speaker 3: And so over time the copper paint would wear off
Speaker 3: and this thing just looked like a nightmare. And then eventually,
Speaker 3: just like I did with the S two h two,
Speaker 3: just like I did with the three wood the PT,
Speaker 3: I eventually just made them all shiny, buff them up,
Speaker 3: made them shiny.
Speaker 4: I there was something with the D.
Speaker 2: If you took the finish off the nine seventy five D,
Speaker 2: it looked really cool too.
Speaker 4: This this was like the time.
Speaker 2: When you took finish off and it was like they
Speaker 2: you know, that was like the ways you know, you
Speaker 2: had the inside out had cover, you know, guys that
Speaker 2: had to finish off, like you're kind of worried about
Speaker 2: the like it was like, I feel like in junior
Speaker 2: golf at this time, and I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: like this because I'm not a junior golfer anymore, but
Speaker 2: there is like certain people's bags intimidated you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely I tried to be one of those people.
Speaker 3: I didn't have the funds to do it, but luckily
Speaker 3: I knew how to use my two hands. And were
Speaker 3: you know, coming from a smaller farm community and didn't
Speaker 3: getting into golf and having no money, You're like, okay,
Speaker 3: I got to figure this out. And I've seen how
Speaker 3: other things get worked on, so I'm like, what's the
Speaker 3: difference to golf club.
Speaker 1: I can work on this nowadays.
Speaker 3: I don't know if, like you know, with all them
Speaker 3: in different materials, I don't know if I would be
Speaker 3: buffing out a driver, but actually I can tell you
Speaker 3: I would not be. But back then, we you know,
Speaker 3: that was solid head drivers, steal whatever. You could just
Speaker 3: go to town on them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, three woods, this is this is maybe
Speaker 2: the hardest nineties spareaway woods. It's maybe the hardest selection
Speaker 2: of all.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, like I said, my number one would have probably
Speaker 3: been the title is PT. I loved it, the Tiger effect,
Speaker 3: all that stuff I'd get, you know, I loved play.
Speaker 3: I had an stoh two, I liked playing too, so
Speaker 3: it was like a similar kind of size kind of thing.
Speaker 3: And then if it wasn't that, it would have been
Speaker 3: the tailor made burner for me. That's what it would
Speaker 3: have been.
Speaker 2: So I have a bunch listed here. I couldn't not like,
Speaker 2: I couldn't help myself. I think I'd take the pet.
Speaker 2: I mean, I honestly may never get rid of it.
Speaker 2: But also in here you cannot you cannot not have
Speaker 2: oral of ar trimetal.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's funny you mentioned that because obviously when I
Speaker 3: was looking going down my rabbit holes and looking people
Speaker 3: and actually I was talking with one of our general
Speaker 3: managers here for the Central and I was like, he's like,
Speaker 3: you got to put the Olamar on there. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 3: I didn't like the Olamar when I was there. It
Speaker 3: wasn't for me. I did not I didn't like that shallowhead.
Speaker 3: I just I'm a steep player. I didn't like it.
Speaker 3: Everybody loved it. Obviously, they sold a kadrillion of him.
Speaker 1: He brought it up.
Speaker 3: I saw it in every article I looked at when
Speaker 3: I was doing this, I just couldn't put it on
Speaker 3: my list.
Speaker 2: I swear there's something with like launch conditions, right like
Speaker 2: obviously this was a time like that shallow Head made
Speaker 2: the ball get up in the air, and I had
Speaker 2: a seventeen degree or Lamar that went like almost as
Speaker 2: far as my driver, Like it was just it was
Speaker 2: a beat, like you could just hammer the thing it
Speaker 2: was and I'm a shallow swigger, so like it was
Speaker 2: just like perfect for me that that three would It's
Speaker 2: that whole business case is like an unbelievable like kind
Speaker 2: of like story of how they kind of you know,
Speaker 2: rose with the infomercials. Like that's the other aspect of it.
Speaker 2: It's like if you're a kid, if you had golf
Speaker 2: channel on, you were just getting served with.
Speaker 1: Build with Lamar.
Speaker 3: Now I will say like as a club, as a
Speaker 3: as a club fitter and a club junkie, that was
Speaker 3: the first like super technology wise fairwwood like super hot,
Speaker 3: super easy to hit ball in the airth like it
Speaker 3: was the one that you know, really got that firing up.
Speaker 2: The other thing is direct to consumer brand in the
Speaker 2: nineties like almost like you know, almost ahead of their
Speaker 2: time if you think about like society in general, right
Speaker 2: like way ahead of their time in terms of especially
Speaker 2: a golf which is usually a little bit slower like
Speaker 2: innovation front, but like they were direct to consumer like
Speaker 2: if that you know, that's like what every brand and
Speaker 2: consumer care you know or consumer like is doing direct
Speaker 2: to consumer. They were doing it in the nineties. Fascinating,
Speaker 2: fascinating company. Other ones on here Adams Tight Lives. That
Speaker 2: was in the similar vein to the Aoral of Our.
Speaker 3: Well, similar story, I mean in a early way. But
Speaker 3: uh now I did try that. It was okay for me,
Speaker 3: not the best, but yeah, that was another huge one
Speaker 3: back in the day. I think I had an E
Speaker 3: seventy in that one when I played it.
Speaker 2: Other other ones I had Callaway Steelhead. I think that
Speaker 2: at the very end of the nineties, those were spectacular.
Speaker 2: And then you can't not say the big birth of
Speaker 2: war birds because they had the heaven Wood and the
Speaker 2: divine nine.
Speaker 3: Steel had for me was I played that for one
Speaker 3: year and that was that thing.
Speaker 1: Felt like a rocket ship.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was maybe that and Olamar. I don't
Speaker 3: know which one would have been hotter. They were pretty close,
Speaker 3: but that thing was It felt and looked like a
Speaker 3: rocket ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, those things went forever, all right, Irons.
Speaker 1: So I had for me the title is nine sixty twos, and.
Speaker 3: I could have said that here too. I could have
Speaker 3: said the nine sixty two bees. I was trying to
Speaker 3: think of what I would play. I'd want to play
Speaker 3: the Bees because two our guys played them, but I
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't. I played the nine sixty twos, and I
Speaker 3: actually put rifle six point five shafts because that's what
Speaker 3: I would have played, an original precision rifle six point
Speaker 3: In fact, I had a set of six point five
Speaker 3: shafts in them and I thought they were just like
Speaker 3: the coolest things ever, and that was that was my
Speaker 3: main iron. I didn't put extras because at that point
Speaker 3: I could have gone down a million rabbit holes, so
Speaker 3: I didn't, but that would have been That was when
Speaker 3: I played and loved and yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean spectacular choice.
Speaker 2: I had them on here they were I was thinking about, like,
Speaker 2: this is like one of those irons, Like I immediately
Speaker 2: like when I was doing this, I was like, you
Speaker 2: know what, it'd be awesome to have a set of those.
Speaker 2: Those they are spectacular irons. Can I with the rifle shaft?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: If I remember correct, the whole thing was they turned
Speaker 2: the shaft inside out right.
Speaker 3: Well sort of, I mean so really, what what was
Speaker 3: cool about rifle is is if you take the steps
Speaker 3: out of it, Okay, it gets thicker, quicker, and so
Speaker 3: the idea was is that you were going to get
Speaker 3: this little bit different feel, a little bit different performance.
Speaker 3: The other thing is is you could create a little
Speaker 3: bit easier, like better like tipping situation. So when what
Speaker 3: I mean by that is they could rate a blank
Speaker 3: shaft where you could tip off, you know, take uh,
Speaker 3: mass off the tip, mass off the butt and kind
Speaker 3: of fine tune the frequency. At the time, but to me,
Speaker 3: it was mostly like it was gonna launch just a touch,
Speaker 3: it was gonna spind a little bit more than a
Speaker 3: dynamic gold time, which was really all there was, and
Speaker 3: or you know that kind of like a step shaft.
Speaker 3: It was gonna launch and fee a little bit smoother feeling.
Speaker 4: That's uh, that was a big change.
Speaker 2: I think I got them like late late nineties, maybe
Speaker 2: early two thousands. I don't know when the ping I
Speaker 2: three came out, but I had them in those uh
Speaker 2: the uh the others I had on here, the Hogan
Speaker 2: Apex blades at this time, ye were like, I mean,
Speaker 2: if you want to blaze set of blades like those,
Speaker 2: those are among the most gorgeous irons ever. And then
Speaker 2: the Mizuno Tezoid, the t zoid like pro amazing irons.
Speaker 2: One of the guys that works for US Cavern Herds
Speaker 2: plays those still and they're incredible. I mean like those
Speaker 2: were like those were into dang iron when you go
Speaker 2: against it, as well as the MP fourteen's obviously in
Speaker 2: there too. I have for a wedge, the just out
Speaker 2: of Comedy's sake, the Pure Spin Diamond Face scoring watch
Speaker 2: for anybody that watched Golf Channel in the nineties.
Speaker 1: Those were awesome.
Speaker 3: We sold those actually in ninety eight or ninety nine whatever,
Speaker 3: we sold those.
Speaker 1: What was the other one?
Speaker 3: It had a black face and it was actually it
Speaker 3: could have an illegal face.
Speaker 1: It was illegal.
Speaker 4: You could change it in and out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember the name of it. And they
Speaker 3: had the infomercial where they would like hit balls onto
Speaker 3: like a parking lot and it would backspin in a
Speaker 3: parking lot on you know whatever. You just reminded me
Speaker 3: of those two shit. I didn't think about Dot Puercepin
Speaker 3: Diamond Diamond Face. Wedges definitely had them sold them. I
Speaker 3: actually went just old school with mine and I went
Speaker 3: Voky four hundred series. That was the first like votis
Speaker 3: and I got them and I thought they were like
Speaker 3: the coolest thing ever. I actually had I said them out,
Speaker 3: had them stripped. I was one of the first people
Speaker 3: to do raw fokey wedges, and.
Speaker 2: So yeah, voke felt like a startup within Titleist right
Speaker 2: because it didn't have like that Titleist brand. It was
Speaker 2: their Vokes, and it's it's an interesting case study of
Speaker 2: like the idea of like having something that's different within
Speaker 2: your brand.
Speaker 3: Absolutely and he paid off for him looking at it
Speaker 3: this year's I mean, vokes still sell better than about
Speaker 3: any other wedge on the market at this point. Part
Speaker 3: of that's their options and just grinds and everything that
Speaker 3: they do. And I think it also lends to show
Speaker 3: like when you're super focused on something, how you can
Speaker 3: make it really good. I think that's something Titleist has
Speaker 3: been good at, Like, hey, we got Scotty that does putters,
Speaker 3: focus on putters. We got Vokey that focus on wedges,
Speaker 3: do budges that way. It's like very like concentrated, So
Speaker 3: it makes it good, all right putters.
Speaker 1: So I only put one, and again it's this is
Speaker 1: nostalgia for me.
Speaker 3: I did Scottie Cameron Corona and that's because I back
Speaker 3: in Central Illinois. You do a thing as a kid
Speaker 3: called the tasseline. It's like the worst job you could
Speaker 3: ever do. You basically get paid for six weeks during
Speaker 3: the summer to walk up and down cornfields and pull
Speaker 3: the top of the corn out the tassel they call it,
Speaker 3: and it's how you pollinate it. And you get paid,
Speaker 3: like at the time it was like minimum wage. I
Speaker 3: think I got like five and a quarter or something
Speaker 3: an hour. It was absolutely a horrendous job. It's so
Speaker 3: hot in there, just bugs, just torrible. But anyway, I
Speaker 3: saved up all summer and went to a golf shop
Speaker 3: and bought a title. That was when Scottie Cameron launched
Speaker 3: their first like whatever the oil Can't the oil finished
Speaker 3: putters and I got the Corona and thought it was
Speaker 3: the cool I had it forever.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. That was my putter.
Speaker 2: I think there are two choices here and they're Scottie
Speaker 2: Cameron's and it's the oil Can and oil Can series
Speaker 2: or what I chose, which is the Scottie Cameron to Rellium.
Speaker 4: I never had one as a kid.
Speaker 2: This is something that I at that rummage garage of
Speaker 2: the rummage sale yours. I found a beat up one
Speaker 2: and then I paid like at the time, like one
Speaker 2: hundred bucks to ship it into Titleists and they sent
Speaker 2: me back one. But like to me, there was no
Speaker 2: greater envy than somebody that had like a fresh trillium
Speaker 2: Scottie Cameron putter.
Speaker 3: So the long neck Carillium to this day is still
Speaker 3: one of my favorite putters in my arsenal. I thought
Speaker 3: I bought it probably twelve years after they they came out,
Speaker 3: found a beat up one, had it completely refinished. It's
Speaker 3: sick and it's still one of my favorite putters today.
Speaker 2: And obviously Odyssey at this time had like that rossy
Speaker 2: ballot that was like a big one, and then you
Speaker 2: had like the they I had a blade, an Odyssey Blade.
Speaker 2: I think they called it the Pro Force maybe yep,
Speaker 2: it was yep. I love that putter too, But those
Speaker 2: were what I gave. I couldn't I at this point,
Speaker 2: I could not afford to get like a four hundred
Speaker 2: to really im putters as a kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, same, I couldn't get it trillium at the time.
Speaker 3: I did, like I said, save up for that oil
Speaker 3: can and use that for a long time. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the the the honorable mention I had because that was
Speaker 3: still I mean Steve Struckers, who make me think of
Speaker 3: that Pro Force. He used that thing forever. But that
Speaker 3: was a great putter. I never was a Rossie fan,
Speaker 3: but that that Pro Force was a great putter.
Speaker 2: That Pro Force. I think there was something like with rain.
Speaker 2: They sometimes get messed up. The insert would get messed
Speaker 2: up with rain.
Speaker 3: Oh they they over the years they had different yeah,
Speaker 3: different things with heat or rain on all those inserts.
Speaker 3: And you know, at the time, not many people were
Speaker 3: doing a lot of inserts. That was like what inserts
Speaker 3: were becoming like more of a thing. Like I think
Speaker 3: Ping had their like the one that had like the pixels.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what the name of it was.
Speaker 1: Things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think DJ Singh might have want
Speaker 3: to turn somebody won something with that, and then everybody,
Speaker 3: every kid I knew, wanted one. But yeah, that was
Speaker 3: when inserts were coming. I mean, you can even say
Speaker 3: I called it the Nubbins putter. But what was the
Speaker 3: tailor made.
Speaker 2: I was gonna bring this up the basketball I think
Speaker 2: it was, and they put the basketball, they put it
Speaker 2: outside of a basketball on the face.
Speaker 1: I just remember, like I would go to the store.
Speaker 3: Because we didn't sell tailor at the time, So we
Speaker 3: were more like custom brands at the time in the
Speaker 3: late nineties, like Kzgs and all these little you know,
Speaker 3: Wood Brothers and stuff. We didn't have a lot of
Speaker 3: big accounts because we were just new and nobody knew us,
Speaker 3: and we couldn't really afford it. So I would if
Speaker 3: I wanted something like big custom brand, I didn't have
Speaker 3: to go to the store like anybody else. Even though
Speaker 3: I had a little golf shot and I remember I
Speaker 3: would go putt with that thing. I thought it was
Speaker 3: the most interesting thing. But it was funny. It would
Speaker 3: grab the ball sometimes, so depending on how like, if
Speaker 3: you hit a good stroke, you were like, man, this
Speaker 3: thing feels awesome. Then all of a sudden, on a
Speaker 3: bad stroke, you're like, wait, the ball went sideways.
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 2: So I can't remember if it was the end of
Speaker 2: the nineties or the early two thousand for that putter.
Speaker 4: I haven't In the two thousand, I wasn't sure.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find the I was looking online trying to
Speaker 2: figure out when it was.
Speaker 1: It was right around that two thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that butter is one of the most interesting
Speaker 2: design experiments of all time because it was like it
Speaker 2: was bad. They put a basketball the feel of a
Speaker 2: basketball on the house. Wait what yeah, all right, two thousands.
Speaker 2: I think we got to keep this early two thousands.
Speaker 2: I hope you kept it early two thousands because.
Speaker 1: I tried to.
Speaker 2: I feel like once you once you hit the five
Speaker 2: sixty with that uh with the tailor made, that's when
Speaker 2: everything like kind of changed and uh so, well.
Speaker 3: I did the I did. I tried to keep it
Speaker 3: as early as possible, but I could. I didn't find
Speaker 3: the year like I did five five the R five
Speaker 3: eighty TP, I want to say that was like two
Speaker 3: thousand and two, two thousand and three. I didn't like
Speaker 3: look it up, look it up, But that was one
Speaker 3: of the coolest all time drivers to me. Of all,
Speaker 3: you had to be the five eighty TP. You couldn't
Speaker 3: just do the normal five AD. You had to be
Speaker 3: the TP.
Speaker 2: It had that little stamp on the toe that you
Speaker 2: knew was the TP.
Speaker 4: Right, that was like that you knew it was.
Speaker 1: Hey, if you had that stamp on the first you
Speaker 1: were cool.
Speaker 4: Now what about the Graffalloyd Blue.
Speaker 3: Well, First of all, Hendrick Stenson played that. He might
Speaker 3: still play it in a fairy Wood. I know he
Speaker 3: was trying to get out of it for a long time,
Speaker 3: but that was like the first like super low launch,
Speaker 3: super low spin, stiff feelings golf shaft to me, like
Speaker 3: when I think about golf shafts and what felt like
Speaker 3: a poll that was a graph Alloy blue.
Speaker 4: That shaft I think was it.
Speaker 2: Aldela had the NVS the green one around this time too, well.
Speaker 3: They had had the NVY green. They had an MVS
Speaker 3: that was orange, but at the time they had the
Speaker 3: green that killed it. Then you had the Grafoy blue
Speaker 3: and then the Fuji speeder, which the TP that five
Speaker 3: any TP came stock with a Fuji speeder.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was a great driver that that TP. I
Speaker 2: didn't have that on here. And now I kind of
Speaker 2: like aim like, well, that was like kind of the
Speaker 2: driver that kind of like the three hundred I had
Speaker 2: the Tailor made three hundred series because I feel like
Speaker 2: that that kind of started the run of like iconic
Speaker 2: Tailor made drivers.
Speaker 4: But I guess you go back.
Speaker 2: To the burner, and the Burner was great, but like
Speaker 2: I feel like where they like in the two thousands
Speaker 2: is where Taylor made just like all of a sudden
Speaker 2: became this like dominant driver company and what I have
Speaker 2: because this was a personal driver that I used forever
Speaker 2: that I just like, I used it until it cracked.
Speaker 2: I had that Akra. I had an acroshaft in it.
Speaker 2: It was the titleist nine eighty three k that that
Speaker 2: driver was fit by by you guys. I think that's
Speaker 2: when I started going to you guys. It was like
Speaker 2: a a AKRA like red and silver shaft.
Speaker 3: Oh, that was their believe it or not, that was
Speaker 3: their original shaft. It was a I think it was
Speaker 3: called the SC series or something, and that was Akra's
Speaker 3: launch shaft. I mean, Akro was kind of part of
Speaker 3: us team me and it was kind of this thing.
Speaker 3: And when they broke off on their own, that red
Speaker 3: and black was their first shaft on their own. I
Speaker 3: believe it was either the XC or SC series. Oh
Speaker 3: that's funny that you just maybe you know, because that
Speaker 3: was when I was really getting like the business going,
Speaker 3: and you know, people were coming out with all this
Speaker 3: crazy cool stuff, and that was where like my brain
Speaker 3: was just like couldn't digest and I couldn't build enough
Speaker 3: stuff to play.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Other one I have here is the Launcher, the
Speaker 2: Cleveland Launcher. I thought that was a great driver that
Speaker 2: they made.
Speaker 1: It was a good driver.
Speaker 3: I loved the fairway Wood more than the driver, believe
Speaker 3: it on my side, and I played that fairway Wood
Speaker 3: for a good chunk of time there in that The driver.
Speaker 1: Was really good too.
Speaker 3: I mean, we we fit and sold a bunch of
Speaker 3: perform good but the Fairwaywood really stood out to me
Speaker 3: with that one.
Speaker 4: All right, Fairleywoods, I'll start. I had the Akra.
Speaker 2: I had the Fairwaywood acroshaft too, and it was in
Speaker 2: a Sonar at tech SSO three three wood, which I
Speaker 2: believe like that. I don't think there's ever been a
Speaker 2: better three wood made in the history of golf than
Speaker 2: the Sonar tech SSO three, And i'm that might be
Speaker 2: something I go to the grave with.
Speaker 1: It was so good.
Speaker 3: And on top of it, for a club maker like myself,
Speaker 3: it was bendable because at that time, like drivers were
Speaker 3: starting to get a little harder to bend, like back
Speaker 3: when it was per sem and you were screwed. It
Speaker 3: was what it was unless you were custom making a
Speaker 3: Persimon driver and then you could kind of adjust it.
Speaker 3: But like a lot of these dry and then when
Speaker 3: they came out, these little metal heads. A lot of
Speaker 3: times you could bend them lying or whatever. That sonar
Speaker 3: tech was almost specifically built for clubmakers, so we could
Speaker 3: bend the lie and at the time that was really good.
Speaker 3: We could make it flatter, more upright, and really dial
Speaker 3: a person in, So sonar attack was really good.
Speaker 1: One. I liked it. You were a little bit better
Speaker 1: player than me.
Speaker 3: I felt like it was a little less forgiving, So
Speaker 3: like you, if you didn't hit it on the screwsy
Speaker 3: and get away with it. The draw the fairy wood
Speaker 3: I chose to pick was because I played a lot,
Speaker 3: because it was forgiving, it was easier. Was the tailor
Speaker 3: made two hundred steel and okay, and believe it or not,
Speaker 3: I'm such a geek. On tour that used to peel
Speaker 3: away the paint from the face up the up the hozzle,
Speaker 3: and the idea was it would make the driver look
Speaker 3: or the ferry would look more square or open and address.
Speaker 3: And of course I sat there and did that and
Speaker 3: like cut made it just like the tour guys had
Speaker 3: and everything was pretty cool that.
Speaker 2: The I had the V steal in here too. The
Speaker 2: tailor made V steal. That was a I mean, I
Speaker 2: think you could play that right now and it would
Speaker 2: be you know, you like you'd you'd be happy with
Speaker 2: your three wood. The other thing I had at one point,
Speaker 2: I can't remember when this was. I had a Steelhead
Speaker 2: plus foward and I thought the Stelhead plus was like
Speaker 2: a great, great fairaway wood that never gets talked about.
Speaker 4: The three woods.
Speaker 2: At this time were just rockets, like the ball came
Speaker 2: off three woods so insanely hot.
Speaker 3: Another honorable mention would be Tour Edge, their original exotic
Speaker 3: CB or CB two. That would be another one we
Speaker 3: need to add to the list, because that thing was
Speaker 3: awesome too.
Speaker 2: That the tour Edge when was it original? And the
Speaker 2: Bazuka I remember the Bazukas. Wait, that might have been
Speaker 2: a nineties three wood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was definitely that.
Speaker 3: It was like ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand was
Speaker 3: Bazuka and then Bazuka kind of lived on for a
Speaker 3: little bit too.
Speaker 1: Beyond that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Bazukas were good too, too, But the two,
Speaker 3: the Exotic was the one that took it to the
Speaker 3: next level.
Speaker 1: And man, that thing was good.
Speaker 3: All right, irons, So I put the well, actually, I'll
Speaker 3: just say this, this is where I put a rescue.
Speaker 3: Taylor Iburn in there, and I said the tailor made
Speaker 3: rescue only because it was kind of like the O
Speaker 3: G one.
Speaker 1: And I hit the crap out of it and I
Speaker 1: used it forever.
Speaker 2: They had the titlest one too, right, the titleist what
Speaker 2: was the titleist one?
Speaker 4: Original one?
Speaker 2: They were They were early, but it was almost more
Speaker 2: of like a driving iron.
Speaker 4: It had the screw at the bottom of it or
Speaker 4: the rights.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look that one up. I forgot about it,
Speaker 3: but you're right. And Sonar Tech had theirs too, and
Speaker 3: that thing drove nails too.
Speaker 1: That was pretty good.
Speaker 4: The Todd Hamilton, Uh hi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: But going to irons, I put the tour preferred uh
Speaker 3: two preferred irons for me, and that might have been
Speaker 3: more like oh five, so it might not be super early,
Speaker 3: but for me, they were a set of irons that
Speaker 3: I loved playing and I still today would probably love playing.
Speaker 1: They just looked good. They felt good at the time.
Speaker 1: To me.
Speaker 3: They were like that first like as a person, it's
Speaker 3: like a fot that floats between like a five and eight.
Speaker 3: It was the first iron that I felt looked like
Speaker 3: what I wanted to play, which is like what every
Speaker 3: tour player plays, right, but I felt like I was
Speaker 3: getting the forgiveness and speed of more of a game
Speaker 3: IMPROVEMN iron.
Speaker 1: I love them and I still have a set.
Speaker 3: I haven't played him a long time, although doing this
Speaker 3: exercise makes me want to take them out and play
Speaker 3: them again.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was my.
Speaker 4: All right, I got here.
Speaker 2: I've got three irons that I that I'm going to highlight.
Speaker 2: The Titleist nine nineties. I thought those were gorgeous irons.
Speaker 2: The Miszuno MP thirty threes, which I use for so long.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good one.
Speaker 2: I had a combo set of of MP thirty threes
Speaker 2: that you guys built that blended to MP sixties in
Speaker 2: the three, four and five, and I thought they were
Speaker 2: just like that. I gave them to my buddy. I'm
Speaker 2: actually I'm so mad at my friend. My friend is like,
Speaker 2: he's roommate. He's like, I want to start playing golf.
Speaker 2: Do you have clubs? And I'm like, these are gonna
Speaker 2: be awful for you to hit, but you can use these,
Speaker 2: and there I gave them my my Mizuno irons.
Speaker 4: He then turned around and gave them to somebody else
Speaker 4: who sold them.
Speaker 1: Well, oh that's yeah, that's dangerous.
Speaker 2: Like I used these clubs for you know, something like
Speaker 2: ten ten years maybe, and he just sold them down
Speaker 2: the river. But anyways, the final one, the Nike pro Combos,
Speaker 2: I thought were really cool, innovative irons.
Speaker 4: I don't know was Mira making those at that time?
Speaker 3: Well, that's what everybody says, and I believe it to
Speaker 3: be true. I could never get a total answer out
Speaker 3: of like anybody at Mira, but I think they were.
Speaker 2: Was was Nike har hard goods, sneaky like kind of
Speaker 2: underrated for a few years.
Speaker 3: I believe so like that. So that what was the
Speaker 3: original Blue Driver, I don't remember the name of it.
Speaker 3: Those were actually really good woods. The irons I played
Speaker 3: whatever it was there, pro forged combo set, you know,
Speaker 3: I yeah, I mean, honestly, Nike made a lot of
Speaker 3: good stuff. I mean you could sit there and make
Speaker 3: people make fun of the square sumo whatever thing. Honestly,
Speaker 3: the sumo, I mean it sounded horrible, it looked horrible,
Speaker 3: it actually perforrible really well. And actually the Square Hybrid
Speaker 3: was one of the best hybrids. I mean I fit
Speaker 3: a ton of people in those. Those hybrids were so
Speaker 3: super easy to hit. I actually smoked them.
Speaker 1: In fact, I missed.
Speaker 3: There was a Fujikura a time had a chef called
Speaker 3: the rum Box, one of my favorite Fuji chefs of
Speaker 3: all time.
Speaker 1: And then the yellow one.
Speaker 3: Can't remember the name of it, if it was y
Speaker 3: or something, and they had like three different series and
Speaker 3: what the name was, but it was a yellow one
Speaker 3: and had I had shimmed a wood shaft into that
Speaker 3: Sumo hybrid. It was a total Frankensige off. The never
Speaker 3: hit a hybrid better in my life. Of course, being
Speaker 3: a club junkie, you know, I switch, I go to
Speaker 3: the next thing, and then somebody took it. Never got
Speaker 3: a at similar story to what you were saying. And
Speaker 3: I still think about how well it hit the hybrid today,
Speaker 3: still think about it, all right, Wedges I put I
Speaker 3: mean this was again I could have put down one
Speaker 3: hundred million things, but the Cleveland nine hundred and four,
Speaker 3: who were one of my favorite, and I think I
Speaker 3: had them in.
Speaker 1: You know, they were satin so they rusted and it
Speaker 1: was great.
Speaker 2: I mean the rusted wedges at this at this period
Speaker 2: of time I remember, and this might have been more
Speaker 2: of the nineties. I remember I had like a wedge
Speaker 2: and I used to put like a damp washcloth over
Speaker 2: it to get it to rust more at night, like
Speaker 2: before before a tournament.
Speaker 4: Just like absurd stuff that you'd do as a kid.
Speaker 3: Jesus, Yeah, I mean I what else did I do
Speaker 3: to golf clubs? I mean I definitely painted them, I
Speaker 3: definitely rusted them. Yeah, I did a lot. I mean
Speaker 3: that was what's fun. I feel like today they're not
Speaker 3: as easy to customizeable. You got to send them to
Speaker 3: do things because all the materials and stuff that are
Speaker 3: in them. But you can still do a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff to make them fun. But there was all I mean,
Speaker 3: this was like wedges were huge that you know. I
Speaker 3: used so many different wedges, but those Cleveland nine hundred
Speaker 3: did stick out to me. I remember specifically using them
Speaker 3: and liking them.
Speaker 4: They had the gun metal finish.
Speaker 2: I feel like they were the first, maybe the first
Speaker 2: one that did the gun metal the black finish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. Who else did gun metal?
Speaker 3: They might I think they were the first. I mean
Speaker 3: Cleveland was one of the first to do like a
Speaker 3: lot of different finishes on wedges. Like Voki really didn't
Speaker 3: get into it well till Well passed Cleveland. I can't
Speaker 3: think of any others. Yeah, that'll be I'll go down
Speaker 3: that later. How that you say that? So I'll be
Speaker 3: googling like wedges again from the night of two thousands,
Speaker 3: trying to remember I had a sixty.
Speaker 2: I had a nine Cleveland, nine hundred and sixty degree.
Speaker 2: That was gun metal. That's how I just like remember,
Speaker 2: and I think I won it. I wanted it a caddy tournament.
Speaker 2: I think it was I wanted at the at a
Speaker 2: Conway Farms caddy tournament.
Speaker 4: I won that gun metal sixty degree for something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they definitely had gun metal.
Speaker 3: They did raw like raw gun metal, and chrome I
Speaker 3: think were the three colors you got to choose, their
Speaker 3: three finishes you got to choose from in those and
Speaker 3: I think they were the first ones to do that
Speaker 3: dark more gun metal finish like So, but that's what
Speaker 3: I'm interested to remember.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: The last but not least the putters. I have the
Speaker 2: Odyssey two ball.
Speaker 3: So it's funny my notes right here show Odyssey two ball.
Speaker 3: So like again, we could list off, you know, one
Speaker 3: hundred putters, right, and so I was just trying to think,
Speaker 3: like what was iconic a what did I play be?
Speaker 3: You know all those things, and I ended up not
Speaker 3: playing the two ball a super long time, but I'll
Speaker 3: never forget it. And when it came out, because it
Speaker 3: seemed like talk about it was like that was like
Speaker 3: Taylor made releasing their first white drive light right, it
Speaker 3: was like, honestly releases two ball, everybody goes and buys one.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable.
Speaker 2: That was, yeah, everybody had one. If I remember, there
Speaker 2: was some controversy about like with the with it, whether
Speaker 2: it would be conforming, and they wanted to do like
Speaker 2: the the three I think they wanted originally to have
Speaker 2: three balls, but the USCA and RNA was like and
Speaker 2: it might have been that it was gonna be longer,
Speaker 2: the putter was gonna be too long front of from
Speaker 2: the face to the back then wide, and that might
Speaker 2: have been why it didn't conform. So then they cut
Speaker 2: it down to the two ball, if I remember correctly,
Speaker 2: that was like the gist of the argument there. This
Speaker 2: was like, I mean this at this time, this is
Speaker 2: this was a peak RNA US because you had the
Speaker 2: ERC remember that didn't get didn't pass, that got with
Speaker 2: like recalled for being non conforming when it released right.
Speaker 3: That was the RC had the super hot face whatever.
Speaker 3: You had the C four driver which was all carbon.
Speaker 3: I think they questioned that and then right, yeah, the
Speaker 3: two ball. There was also some shafts back in the day.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember the shaft's stults. I
Speaker 3: can't remember. Somebody won like a major with it. It
Speaker 3: had like a triangular tip section, so like the tip
Speaker 3: they went into the shaft was round, but then it
Speaker 3: kind of went into this triangular it was basically done
Speaker 3: with like paper mache, and then it went back to
Speaker 3: being a normal shaft. It's called the sults, and that
Speaker 3: was eventually deemed I believe, nonconforming. But one of the
Speaker 3: things I remember about two ball is that you know,
Speaker 3: they launched these two balls, and then eventually the tour
Speaker 3: that was heavily used on tour, and you started seeing
Speaker 3: tour players with a sightline down it, and so they
Speaker 3: eventually started making a model with the site line. But
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many times I had customers
Speaker 3: come in and I drew meticulously with a permanent marker
Speaker 3: a site line on those or I would take car
Speaker 3: pinstriping and I would take car pinstriping and put it
Speaker 3: on there and it would work out great. And I
Speaker 3: still occasionally today because somebody will go find one or
Speaker 3: even one of the newer models. They'll find it just
Speaker 3: like you're talking about, in their church rummage sale or
Speaker 3: a second swing or wherever, like out of the you know,
Speaker 3: the barrel, and they'll be like, hey, can you put
Speaker 3: a sightline on this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, leave it with me. I'll put a sightline on it.
Speaker 4: You know. I did that myself, and it was a disaster.
Speaker 2: I had the first the first ball was perfect, but
Speaker 2: the back one was all crooked and it was like
Speaker 2: I did it with sharpie.
Speaker 4: I could never get it out of it.
Speaker 3: It's not easy like it's especially because it has a
Speaker 3: little bit of a curvature, it kind of goes down.
Speaker 1: I had to find.
Speaker 3: I finally found this piece of metal that was really flimsy,
Speaker 3: and I would use it as my straight edge and
Speaker 3: then I would tape it on there, and then I
Speaker 3: always would use a brand new sharp sharpie and so like,
Speaker 3: and then that way I got a really crispline. But
Speaker 3: it would it was always and stilled the day like
Speaker 3: trying to make sure it was centered, because once it's
Speaker 3: on there, it's on there, So it was always like, okay,
Speaker 3: let's hope I do it correct.
Speaker 2: You know, one thing I realized we didn't hit on this,
Speaker 2: But I'm just gonna run down off the top of
Speaker 2: my head what I would do for golf balls. You know,
Speaker 2: if we did nineties, I would say there was a few.
Speaker 2: There's the professional, the titleist, professional, the strata, the top
Speaker 2: fight strata that obviously Hal Sutton used the Maxly Revolution.
Speaker 2: And then I would also throw in remember when Wilson
Speaker 2: had the titanium balls.
Speaker 4: I was about all.
Speaker 3: I didn't know if you were going to talk about
Speaker 3: titanium golf balls, but I was going to bring it up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I played the professional. That was like back then,
Speaker 3: all the kids Taylor made had a ball that came
Speaker 3: in those little weird tubes that I thought was so cool.
Speaker 3: I don't remember what they were called. They were like
Speaker 3: Taylor made Red and Taylor made Black or something like that.
Speaker 2: And then the last, obviously the pro V one, was
Speaker 2: when it changed everything and you had the seam on
Speaker 2: the pro V one, the original prov one, I'll never forget.
Speaker 2: You tee it up with a driver with the seam
Speaker 2: going towards your target and then if you're using an iron,
Speaker 2: you moved you tee it with the titleist, and that
Speaker 2: that obviously changed changed everything at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good ball man nostalgia.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget the first time I played a pro V.
Speaker 4: One in a tournament. It was nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same, Nick, this was super fun. We'll have to
Speaker 2: have you back. We're gonna come up with some more
Speaker 2: of these. This was This was so I I mean,
Speaker 2: I had so much fun researching. I mean, I was
Speaker 2: telling my wife how much fun. She has no clue
Speaker 2: about anything about golf. I'm just like, I'm really all
Speaker 2: these childs I ever and uh.
Speaker 4: And we'll have you back.
Speaker 2: But but thank you so much for coming on and
Speaker 2: uh and we'll talk sometime soon.
Speaker 1: Thanks again. I had a blast doing it was fun.
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to today's podcast. I hope you
Speaker 2: guys enjoyed that as much as I did. And I
Speaker 2: hope everybody had a great and safe Thanksgiving. We will
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Speaker 2: big company announcement coming pretty soon that I'm excited about that.
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Speaker 2: everybody had an awesome Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: Talk to you soon.