WEBVTT - Assembling Retro Sets with Nick Sherburne of Club Champion

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<v Speaker 1>I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When

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<v Speaker 1>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I find my ball in.

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<v Speaker 2>A bride egg Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg, Frida Egg,

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<v Speaker 2>Frida Egg bride egg.

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<v Speaker 1>Lie, I'm about ready to run off the the.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Egg podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's episode is with Nick Sherburn, the founder of Club Champion.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving. Really excited about

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<v Speaker 2>this episode with Nick. I've gotten to know him over

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<v Speaker 2>the years. We're both from Chicago. I've been going to

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<v Speaker 2>Club Champion basically my whole life. Nick is a really

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<v Speaker 2>good dude and knows so much about equipment. This year,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of I got bit by the retro club bug.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've been playing a lot of older equipment and

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<v Speaker 2>it's been super fun. And I've been thinking a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about like different bags and sets of clubs that you

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<v Speaker 2>could have that represent different eras and how you'd want

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<v Speaker 2>to put those bags together. And I emailed Nick and

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<v Speaker 2>literally he played golf in the nineties and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>high school and everything, but he started his business in

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<v Speaker 2>the late nineties early two thousands, and you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was fitting a lot of these clubs that are the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that I was looking for. So Nick was a natural,

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<v Speaker 2>great fit for this episode and really had had a blast.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I thought this could be a cool topic,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was thrilled about how it turned out. So

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<v Speaker 2>what we did, what the exercise was, was we put together

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<v Speaker 2>retro bags from the eighties, the nineties and then the

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<v Speaker 2>early two thousands, so kind of nominated what we would

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<v Speaker 2>do for drivers, Fairley woods, putters and wedges and irons

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<v Speaker 2>in every bag, and it should for people that play

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<v Speaker 2>golf in those eras, should be kind of a trip

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<v Speaker 2>town memory lane. You're probably gonna hear some equipment that

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't thought of in a long time. And I

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<v Speaker 2>can't tell you how much fun I had thinking and

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<v Speaker 2>researching and putting together these bags. So a quick reminder,

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<v Speaker 2>just a ton of gear, Mega Atkins and Will Knights

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<v Speaker 2>So without further ado, here is Nick Sherburn on retro sets. Nick,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say, you know, researching this topic, I

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<v Speaker 2>had just a flood of nostalgia trips down memory lane,

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<v Speaker 2>remembering like days on the driving Range and junior tournaments

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<v Speaker 2>and what people were gaming. But this was really fun

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of stroll down clubs that I didn't play,

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<v Speaker 2>like the eighties clubs that you know, they were still

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<v Speaker 2>in bags in the nineties, but but then the really

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<v Speaker 2>the nineties and the early two thousands was was really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome out the podcast and thanks for thanks for doing

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<v Speaker 2>this little exercise with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, normally I'm on podcasts talking about you know,

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<v Speaker 3>club fitting and club champion and I know we'll discuss

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<v Speaker 3>a little of that. But when you said, hey, let's

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<v Speaker 3>have a little fun building retro bags, I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that sounds good.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do that.

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<v Speaker 3>And we, as we mentioned before, we jumped on recording.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like there was some rabbit holes I went down

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<v Speaker 3>that were pretty fun.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this the impetus and the idea for this topic.

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<v Speaker 2>I have had some club's break this year and it

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<v Speaker 2>left me with like, you know, I had this like

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<v Speaker 2>set of FG seventeen Wilson's that were just like sitting

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna play

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<v Speaker 2>these all the time until I go ghetto new fitting.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just haven't done it because I've been really

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<v Speaker 2>busy and I haven't like just set aside the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Did the clubs break by themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Or yeah, yeah, the POxy the POxy came loose and

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<v Speaker 2>they're old. They're like Apex pros from like the early

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<v Speaker 2>generation Calaways.

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<v Speaker 1>Making sure there was no anger issues that we maybe

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<v Speaker 1>needed to talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I had this driver.

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<v Speaker 2>My buddy who plays on the corn Ferry Tour gave

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<v Speaker 2>me a great big Bertha Alpha and it's funny, like

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<v Speaker 2>just a side note, And I don't want this to

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<v Speaker 2>come across as an ad, but like I've gone to

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<v Speaker 2>Club Champion multiple times to try and get fit for

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<v Speaker 2>something new, and the guy that I've gone to for

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<v Speaker 2>club fitting for a number of years now has been like, no, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't like this driver. You'd be crazy to change,

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<v Speaker 2>Like your dispersion pattern is so tight, and it cracked

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<v Speaker 2>on me. I like almost cried when it cracked. So

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<v Speaker 2>I lost my driver, I lost a couple irons, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just was like, all right, in the meantime, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going full retro. So I've been going I've been playing

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<v Speaker 2>retro clubs. And one of the great things about retro

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<v Speaker 2>clubs is it can be like it can absolutely be

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<v Speaker 2>a hobby for anybody because if you go online, you

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<v Speaker 2>can buy like cool old clubs that were like great

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<v Speaker 2>clubs in their day for very cheap. I was looking

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<v Speaker 2>at like a pings Tisi driver that's like forty dollars

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<v Speaker 2>with a pro four shaft in it.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, that was that was the driver for

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyways, that was the impetus of this conversation is like,

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<v Speaker 2>what would be really cool sets of clubs from different

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<v Speaker 2>generations if you wanted to have retro bags.

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<v Speaker 4>I play a lot of classic golf courses.

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<v Speaker 2>What I've found has been really fun is that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>playing like the regular teas and I'm hitting lots of

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<v Speaker 2>long irons into courses that would a lot of times

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<v Speaker 2>if you're if you're if you have a pretty high

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<v Speaker 2>ball speed, it's going to be like a driver wedge

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<v Speaker 2>fest and that's that's been really fun. I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 2>getting tired of it being every day, but I bet

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<v Speaker 2>it has been fun.

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<v Speaker 4>So that was kind of the impetus, and let's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>I for this, we did eighties, nineties, and two thousands,

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<v Speaker 2>and the thing I found and I'm sure you found,

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<v Speaker 2>but like the nineties is probably the hardest one because

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<v Speaker 2>there was so much innovation.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree it was harder to make a decision on

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<v Speaker 3>which ones. I actually put like two in a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of places where I'd be like, I'd be really on

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<v Speaker 3>the fence.

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<v Speaker 1>With this.

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<v Speaker 3>Eighties I found to be the toughest, only because I

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<v Speaker 3>was born in eighty three, so like, yeah, I play.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually played a couple of the clubs that came

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<v Speaker 3>in the eighties to your point in the nineties, but

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't really you know, I wasn't a golfer then

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<v Speaker 3>and whatever, and so that one I found to be

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<v Speaker 3>a little tougher. But yeah, this there were some interesting things.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait to divulge some of my my findings.

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<v Speaker 4>That's that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the eighties, I feel like this like golf, like

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<v Speaker 2>mid nineties is where like equipment changed forever. But when

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<v Speaker 2>you're like in the even into the late nineties and

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<v Speaker 2>you saw it on tour. I mean Davis Love at Vague,

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<v Speaker 2>that Vegas tournament that Tiger won his first win on tour,

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<v Speaker 2>Davis Loves in the playoff playing a Percimit driver. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's that's when the world kind of just changed.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the at the end of the nineties, the

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<v Speaker 2>bags were still filled with eighties clubs. Like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there were still tailor made burners floating floating around. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's I'll let you start. Let's talk drivers of the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>What what do you got?

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<v Speaker 3>So again, this was tough because I was not a

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<v Speaker 3>golfer in the eighties. I didn't become a golfer till

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<v Speaker 3>early nineties. So I when doing research, I think if

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<v Speaker 3>I were to played a driver in the eighties, it

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<v Speaker 3>probably would have been either Taylor Mats at Pittsburgh per

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<v Speaker 3>Simon or the ping I two per Simmon Wood, which

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<v Speaker 3>actually I did play one of their ping I two

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<v Speaker 3>Fairway woods in the early nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Those they had the laminates then, yeah, which like completely

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<v Speaker 2>changed the game, and those stuck around for a long

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<v Speaker 2>time because they didn't break as easily as the Persimmon clubs.

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<v Speaker 4>I had a couple here.

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<v Speaker 2>You actually have these woods of mine in your office,

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<v Speaker 2>the Hogan Apexes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a persimmon set of persimmon woods, these are like

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and they were one of the most famous, like

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<v Speaker 3>in the eighties, like one of the best selling too.

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<v Speaker 3>That was actually in That would have been an honorable

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<v Speaker 3>mention on mine. I've seen yours. I've seen them a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of times. I've never actually hit when I should

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<v Speaker 3>just take years and go hit it.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't say anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I've not got That was a good one too.

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<v Speaker 2>And then for my honorable mention, I've got like the

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<v Speaker 2>tailor made tour Burner the medal the original metal wood.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's well, yeah, that's kind Yeah, I did the

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<v Speaker 3>Pittsburgh Pittsburgh per Simon, but I guess that was probably

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<v Speaker 3>that was more like late It was like seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 3>seventy nine, and then it got big and early and then.

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<v Speaker 1>They came out with that. But yeah, that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>Pittsburghsimon was the first medal.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, right, Yeah, Pittsburgh per Simon was the first metal driver.

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<v Speaker 3>I think ever designed. Well, it was the first mainstream one,

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<v Speaker 3>that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you have for faaraway woods?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this was one of my favorites, and I actually

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<v Speaker 3>played this in the nineties for a year, probably my

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<v Speaker 3>whole high school career, almost I had two fairwoods in

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<v Speaker 3>high school. The other one I'll talk about in the nineties

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<v Speaker 3>when we get there. But the Callaway s two h

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<v Speaker 3>two oh. And it was a tiny little bore through

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<v Speaker 3>a little head. It was small, but like a decent

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<v Speaker 3>amount of tour guys played. I think, like Freddy Couples

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<v Speaker 3>is how I got onto it. He was smoking one

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, and then I played it in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't play golf in the eighties, but I just

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<v Speaker 3>remember thinking it was like the coolest thing ever. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I even reshafted it once with a pro Force

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<v Speaker 3>gold in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>By Ust, we're gonna have to talk about that shaft

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<v Speaker 2>for at like, because that was like an iconic piece

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<v Speaker 2>of equipment in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 4>That that three wood.

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<v Speaker 2>So my uncle was a great player, not a great player,

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<v Speaker 2>a really good amateur player, and as a kid he

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<v Speaker 2>had I think the next iteration of that three wood

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<v Speaker 2>was the Bobby Jones of Calway. I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>the Bobby Jones three Wood, and I just remember he

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<v Speaker 2>used that into like the two thousands, and I thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was I mean, I hit it a few times

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, this is like one of the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest fairy woods ever. And I haven't ever hit the

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<v Speaker 2>S two h two, but like I look, I was

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<v Speaker 2>looking at it online and had it looked so similar

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<v Speaker 2>to that Bobby Jones, and I mean Callaway. Callaway was

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<v Speaker 2>such an innovator in the three Wood, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>the Fairway. Obviously the Big Bertha is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a topic of the nineties, but like the three Woods

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<v Speaker 2>and what they did with Faaraway woods, and it was very,

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<v Speaker 2>very innovative with the Big Bertha and the war Birds.

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<v Speaker 2>But before that, That's two h two was probably the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that started everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I remember just hit it didn't have much forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 3>But again nineties, we didn't really have a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>tell us what was good outside of which just could

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<v Speaker 3>you hit it right and did you like the look

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<v Speaker 3>in the field. I just remember it looking good, feeling good,

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<v Speaker 3>and it would hit these low like screamers that just

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<v Speaker 3>went a mile. At the time, and I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I love this thing. Plus it had like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>some of the two credibility. It was just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>cool as you know high school or whatever, junior higher.

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<v Speaker 3>And I reshafted that thing a couple different times. I

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<v Speaker 3>even at one point, this is how sick I can get,

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<v Speaker 3>is I realy? I took it to a buck. It

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<v Speaker 3>had like if you look it up online you can

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<v Speaker 3>see it. It's a little gray like old satin finish.

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<v Speaker 3>I took it to a buffing wheel and made it

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<v Speaker 3>like and this was kind of popular back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we would do this.

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<v Speaker 3>And I bumped it and made it like a mirror

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<v Speaker 3>finish and it was really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It's uh, that's kind of along the lines of uh

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<v Speaker 2>was it the titleist headcover?

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<v Speaker 4>If you turned it inside out?

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<v Speaker 1>Tailor made was a tailor made burner one.

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<v Speaker 3>You turn it inside out and it was like that

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<v Speaker 3>crazy like it almost looked like the Big Lebowski's coat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like woven. It was super cool from

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<v Speaker 2>by Fairway Woods. I had, you know, this was pre hybrid,

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<v Speaker 2>so I kind of cheated. I got two in here.

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<v Speaker 2>I had the tailor made tour spoon, the little.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good. Oh, that is a good one. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>I know I had one of those two that I

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<v Speaker 3>forgot about. That good one.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the Cobra baffler with the rail on the bottom,

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<v Speaker 2>the wood, the wood with the rails on the bottom.

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<v Speaker 2>It was incredible at digging balls out of rough.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I I don't know if I even I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna look that one up because I wouldn't have guessed

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<v Speaker 3>that was the eighties, Huh.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I think it was the eighties fairly.

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<v Speaker 3>It probably was, now that you said it, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it probably was. I never played one, but I definitely

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<v Speaker 3>remember now that you brought it up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I you know, my dad's not a great player.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my memories of it, like my dad's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he's like a probably at the time between

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<v Speaker 2>a twelve and a fifteen, and I remember as a kid,

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<v Speaker 2>he was like two forty out and thick rough and

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<v Speaker 2>he just hit it and he hid into this group.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll never forget it because it like we never

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<v Speaker 2>thought in a million years he'd get there, and he

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<v Speaker 2>hid into this group and it just like it. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a shot that I'll never forget from my childhood. But

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<v Speaker 2>like the virtues of that club. And it's really I

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<v Speaker 2>think it kind of was something that like went into hybrids.

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<v Speaker 4>Was like it was really.

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<v Speaker 2>Easy to hit and and the thing it was really

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<v Speaker 2>great at was like getting you could hit it out

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<v Speaker 2>of pretty thick rough you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Long irons then were just a disaster out of the rough.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Fairway woods when you when you really think about like

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<v Speaker 3>the ones we're talking about today, honestly, that was that

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<v Speaker 3>generation's hybrid because there to your point, there was no hybrids,

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<v Speaker 3>but fairway woods were smaller, they had more rounded souls,

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<v Speaker 3>things like that you could dig them out of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Where once like the speed height hybrid fairway wood came,

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<v Speaker 3>it kind of created the need for a hybrid because

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<v Speaker 3>it flipped the script where you didn't need it so

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<v Speaker 3>much back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Question, I've got this pet three wood, and when I

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<v Speaker 2>shake it, I hear a POxy. You know if I

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<v Speaker 2>when I swig, I hear a POxy. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>club I've been playing all year. I might not go

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<v Speaker 2>back to modern three wood.

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<v Speaker 4>I might keep this. I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, the title is pat not to spoiler

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<v Speaker 3>alert titleist pt is my three wood of the nineties.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean Tiger made.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so cool. It's it's insanely fun to play. It's insane.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had more fun hitting that club like I hit

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<v Speaker 2>it irrationally just because I want to hit it. I

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<v Speaker 2>one of my questions I've I like, worried about the

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<v Speaker 2>shaft breaking, like the POxy.

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<v Speaker 4>Can people still do the boar through shaft?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm not sure how many, Like if you took

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<v Speaker 3>it to Tom Dick or Harry's place, you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>younger club maker, Like even if it came to us,

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<v Speaker 3>I guarantee if you went to one of our stores,

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<v Speaker 3>they're gonna be like, yeah, we're gonna have to send

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<v Speaker 3>this back and Nick's.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably gonna be the one that does it.

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<v Speaker 3>Or you know, I got two old school builders that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I've been building with for many, many years.

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<v Speaker 3>There's about three of us that would have no we

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<v Speaker 3>would love to do it. To be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 3>I can still whip a wooden wood, just believe it

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<v Speaker 3>or not. I could actually if you really wanted me to,

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<v Speaker 3>I could refinish a wooden wood. I don't really have

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<v Speaker 3>that many hours my day anymore. But if we were

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<v Speaker 3>going to go back to nineteen ninety eight when Club

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<v Speaker 3>Champions started or EJL, which is the business that branched

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<v Speaker 3>out to be Club Champion, we were pretty dead and

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<v Speaker 3>we spent most of our winners refinishing wooden woods. So

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<v Speaker 3>I can still do it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's ah, that's I mean the refurbishing of equipment like

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<v Speaker 2>I got years ago a toillium and we can talk.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm there's two a rabbit holes with this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the research like this, the refinishing of old equipment

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<v Speaker 2>when you get something back, and it's just it's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>It brings kind of all the fields. All right, what

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<v Speaker 2>about irons? You what are you going with?

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<v Speaker 3>So if I had to play, and it's funny we

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<v Speaker 3>still have people walking our doors today and still bring

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<v Speaker 3>them in is. And if I were playing with my ability,

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<v Speaker 3>it would have been the ping I too, probably, but

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<v Speaker 3>the three sets I have three sets, I would have

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<v Speaker 3>got three sets. We've been ping Eye two, Tommy Armor

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<v Speaker 3>five forty fives. And then here's this one that people

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<v Speaker 3>are really not going to know, but I know because

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<v Speaker 3>when I got into custom fitting in the nineties, these

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<v Speaker 3>were like the most custom you could ever get, which

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<v Speaker 3>were Kenneth Smith's.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, don't call me Kenny Kenneth Smith. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>uh So I have two of the three I've got.

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<v Speaker 4>I had three written down to pig.

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<v Speaker 2>I two's Silver Scott and then I've got the Titleist

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<v Speaker 2>Tour model. I just think that they are like aesthetically,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't they're the some of the

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<v Speaker 2>most gorgeous irons that you can see look at now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that like I personally, I've been playing

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<v Speaker 2>these FG seventeens, these Wilson FG seventeens. I think they

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<v Speaker 2>are better irons, better performed, like they're really like having

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<v Speaker 2>hit both of them. I have sets of both. I

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<v Speaker 2>like the FG seventeens like more. But I think those

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<v Speaker 2>Titleist Tour models are incredibly good looking. The other ones

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<v Speaker 2>that I throw in here that are like sneak great irons,

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<v Speaker 2>like and like Street Cred Brand that like kind of

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<v Speaker 2>no longer exists, the Maxfly Aussie Blades.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, that was that was gonna make my list.

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<v Speaker 3>I went with the Kennis Smiths because I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>nobody's gonna really remember those. Maybe they'll go look at him.

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<v Speaker 3>But as a club fitter and a clubmaker at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>They were just like kind of this really like weird

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<v Speaker 3>niche thing, but kind of like Henry Griffith's. Most people

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<v Speaker 3>don't know that, like that was one of my first

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<v Speaker 3>sets ever, but like, yeah, those those and actually, believe

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<v Speaker 3>it or not, I was selling Maxifly irons when we

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<v Speaker 3>started the business at that was good stuff. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>I went and bought a set one of my good customers.

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<v Speaker 3>He's also become a really good friend after twenty some years.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the first sets he ever had was that

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<v Speaker 3>set that Aussie blades, and I went out and found

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<v Speaker 3>him a set on eBay, refurbished him for him, and

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<v Speaker 3>we found a shadow box put him and me and

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<v Speaker 3>his family helped him create this set in the shadow

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<v Speaker 3>box of that and it was really cool.

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<v Speaker 4>That's yeah, I mean, that's the cool thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, my my FG seventeens have been playing

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<v Speaker 2>have modern shafts in them. They have like my spec

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<v Speaker 2>shafts from the guy Elliott at T World Clubs. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you've ever seen that account. They refurbish,

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<v Speaker 2>they do all sorts of old old school irons. He

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<v Speaker 2>was like trying to he was like, I was like dude,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it would be great if I could get

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<v Speaker 2>modern shafts in them, and and I sent them the

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<v Speaker 2>spec shafts I have in the clubs that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've used forever from you guys, and he put those

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<v Speaker 2>shafts in them, and I mean, that's that's made it

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more fun. It could also be why I

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<v Speaker 2>like them a lot more than the tour models that

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<v Speaker 2>have like they're they're actually Lebron h Harris's old irons,

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<v Speaker 2>and that could be that could be part of it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like the specs are more mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we still reshaft.

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<v Speaker 3>We have other folks that are similar to yourself that

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes want a nostalgic set shaft of the thing. And

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<v Speaker 3>I always laugh when I hand him to. Sometimes our

0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.720
<v Speaker 3>younger like builders who haven't maybe done a club from

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<v Speaker 3>the eighties and like a club like that, they may

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<v Speaker 3>have a pin in it and they're like they're like, Nick,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't get this head off, man, Like what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm heating it up. I'm eating it up. And I

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<v Speaker 1>could have told him.

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<v Speaker 3>I just like to watch him kind of like squirm

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<v Speaker 3>at it for a while and and I'm like, did

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<v Speaker 3>you look at the hasle a little closer, and they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>is that a pin. I'm like, yeah, back then, poxies

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<v Speaker 3>weren't quite as good. I mean, every POxy still has

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<v Speaker 3>a chance to break, but like back then, especially so

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<v Speaker 3>they put a pin in there, and then that pin

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<v Speaker 3>would it keep extra stability? You got to pop the pin,

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<v Speaker 3>then hit the you know, the heat, and then he

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<v Speaker 3>popped the head off and they're just like they always laugh.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, yeah, you weren't born in the eighties, so

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<v Speaker 3>I know why that's not registering to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing about the eighties in the early nineties

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<v Speaker 2>was the you know, there were still like individual like

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<v Speaker 2>small shop club makers around, Like you just talked about

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<v Speaker 2>Kenneth Kenneth Griffith.

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<v Speaker 4>No, not Kenneth Griffin Smith. Kenneth Smith and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Grew up in Lake Bluff, Illinois, north of Chicago, and

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<v Speaker 2>there was a famous club maker that had a shop

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<v Speaker 2>at on Wensey, a club called Hubby hub John. You

0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:20.359
<v Speaker 2>ran into that, you ran into Hubbies clubs, but like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you go up there, anybody could go you

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<v Speaker 2>go up. He had like it was at the top

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<v Speaker 2>floor of this old on Wentzy a clubhouse like iconic

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<v Speaker 2>old clubhouse.

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<v Speaker 4>You go up there and there's just this guy that

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<v Speaker 4>was like he was a club maker. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 4>is you. We'd run across.

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<v Speaker 2>Him all the time because like I got a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of clubs at my church's rummage sale. Like I'd go

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<v Speaker 2>there and like I'd get like it was Lake Forrest,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you get tons of golfers that just like turn

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<v Speaker 2>in these sets of clubs that were like great clubs.

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<v Speaker 2>And for a kid that didn't, like I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>like money to spend on clubs, I'd go there and

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<v Speaker 2>get like, you know, these great clubs for four dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>but ones that I always came across for Hubby hub

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<v Speaker 2>John's and I had like a bunch to Hubby hub

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<v Speaker 2>John clubs that would try out. None of them ever,

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<v Speaker 2>like really worked for me. But at this time. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the other cool things was like you had these

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<v Speaker 2>like just like individual club makers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and that's how I got mine. I mean, ever,

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<v Speaker 3>Lockinvitz was a clubmaker kind of like that. He would

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<v Speaker 3>have been kind of Hubby's age too, actually maybe not

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<v Speaker 3>much younger, but about that. And that's how East who

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<v Speaker 3>taught me ninety percent of what I know. You know

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<v Speaker 3>about club fitting, club club building, all right, I should

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<v Speaker 3>say club building more than anything, because he was one

0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:32.640
<v Speaker 3>of those guys, and so you know, that's how you learn.

0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:34.760
<v Speaker 3>Those those guys knew how to build a golf club.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, all right, Putters. Did you do putters?

0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I did, Potter.

0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 3>I actually did a wedge and I did ping, I too,

0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:45.919
<v Speaker 3>and I think that's probably I just that would have

0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:49.439
<v Speaker 3>been it. But yeah, and then Potter wise, I did

0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:54.160
<v Speaker 3>the Zebra, which I the ram Zebra. I still own

0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.080
<v Speaker 3>one for the originals.

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<v Speaker 4>I have one above me right here.

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<v Speaker 3>It it.

0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:03.439
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I feel like that. You know.

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:06.160
<v Speaker 2>The thing about the zebra is if you walked into

0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:11.639
<v Speaker 2>somebody's office or walked into somebody's like putting, like Matt

0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:14.840
<v Speaker 2>at their house in the nineties, like there was like

0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:17.639
<v Speaker 2>a ninety percent chance of the zebra as the putter

0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:18.600
<v Speaker 2>that was laying there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, again, this is when I was just

0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:23.720
<v Speaker 1>getting into the game.

0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:27.440
<v Speaker 3>But for me, I just remember everybody playing, like you know, ping,

0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:30.639
<v Speaker 3>answers things like that, and those are cool. But like

0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:32.840
<v Speaker 3>I was a kid, and I'm like, man, this mallet

0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:35.520
<v Speaker 3>looks cool because there wasn't really mallets as much then

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:37.800
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, there's some aiming device.

0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:38.760
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of cool.

0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.840
<v Speaker 3>It's funny now with whoever's relaunching it, and there's now

0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:44.080
<v Speaker 3>you can go buy a new one. I'm like, no,

0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:46.320
<v Speaker 3>I'll never buy a new one. I would just refinish

0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:48.280
<v Speaker 3>my original one if I really wanted to play it,

0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:51.760
<v Speaker 3>because it's it's it's og, I'd have to stay with that.

0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 2>I have to say, Putter innovation is one of the

0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:02.520
<v Speaker 2>less Like everybody talks about dry irons all that. If

0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:06.399
<v Speaker 2>you use an eighties Putter, it's shocking how much harder.

0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:07.119
<v Speaker 4>It is to put with.

0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's so I had, so I had, I had,

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I had a couple in here. I think like I'd

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.840
<v Speaker 2>be hard pressed not to go with a ping Yeah,

0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I had like a ping answer. It could be the

0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:22.760
<v Speaker 2>answer original answer. I'm not sure that was the eighties.

0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 2>It might have been like late seventies, but like you had,

0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:27.399
<v Speaker 2>like the answer for that was the silver one. I

0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:30.080
<v Speaker 2>think the answer to you had, you know, all these

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.480
<v Speaker 2>different models of answer and uh to me or the

0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:37.960
<v Speaker 2>ping zing, the ping zing sneaky like cool Putter, Like,

0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 2>I think, is that the laguna now of the Scottie.

0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:42.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean you could you could do the insert

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:46.520
<v Speaker 3>ping putter here and just cover every ping putter and

0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:50.000
<v Speaker 3>chance odds are I probably owned one or plotted with one,

0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:52.399
<v Speaker 3>and they were all pretty darn good.

0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:56.159
<v Speaker 2>I feel like one of the things about the like

0:24:56.359 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Ping's innovation is astounding, like they they were the innovative

0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:02.560
<v Speaker 2>brand at this time.

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 4>I mean, like you think of.

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.919
<v Speaker 2>The Irons like they really, you know, and then you

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.399
<v Speaker 2>get into the nineties with the tis I, but like

0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:13.000
<v Speaker 2>the Putters, like they they really I feel like we're

0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:15.000
<v Speaker 2>pushing the envelope.

0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:18.160
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think I think they not that other companies

0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:21.480
<v Speaker 3>weren't doing like engineering engineering, but I think they were

0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:24.199
<v Speaker 3>taking it more from a golf approach, you know, stuff

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:27.600
<v Speaker 3>like that with some general engineering principles. I think, you know,

0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:31.679
<v Speaker 3>Solheim was an engineer at heart first and you know

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.720
<v Speaker 3>everything else, and then kind of like instead of being

0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:37.480
<v Speaker 3>a golfer an engineer, he was an engineer than a golfer,

0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:39.720
<v Speaker 3>and I think that helped him break the mold of

0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:43.080
<v Speaker 3>like what others were doing. And that's why like PINGY two,

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:44.439
<v Speaker 3>I'd be hard for me not to play a Ping

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:46.720
<v Speaker 3>I too, because I like a little forgiveness that was

0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:48.919
<v Speaker 3>really one of your first really game, and you know,

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:50.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you call it game improvement, but

0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 3>forgiving irons back then, and in same thing with his putters,

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 3>I think he took that same approach. It was one

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 3>of the more forgiving and I mean, if we're being honest,

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:02.879
<v Speaker 3>I mean his those those those kind of shapes and

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:06.280
<v Speaker 3>designs have lived on for thirty some years.

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Like those, those are the still the designs you're buying,

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:12.520
<v Speaker 2>like across the board, like so many brands, I mean,

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 2>so many putters. And then if you're going with a bag,

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 2>it has to be a Pig at this time or

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 2>a Jones.

0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:21.400
<v Speaker 1>You know what. I didn't do bags.

0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 3>Interesting, Yeah, well I still use a ping hoofer, so

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it'd be probably like the original L eight at

0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:33.119
<v Speaker 2>this time, the single strap L eight or or like

0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:35.920
<v Speaker 2>that Jones bag was a big deal at this time.

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:38.639
<v Speaker 3>I didn't do bags, But I'm gonna ride with whatever

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 3>you probably did because it sounds like you know them.

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 3>But if that ping hoof for the original one with

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 3>the one strapper, what is it, elie If not a

0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 3>hoof for at the time or whatever it was with

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 3>the one strap, You're right, I owned one of those two.

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it might not have had the stand at this

0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 2>point because I think I'm not positive and people are

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna definitely correct me here because there's gonna be a

0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 2>lot of inaccuracies. But the uh, I think Jones was

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:07.240
<v Speaker 2>that first stand, so that might be. But I love

0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 2>the the no stand single strap ping ul eate, which

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:13.040
<v Speaker 2>and then the hoofer would have.

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 4>Been in the nineties.

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 2>And but I believe that the second, the double strap

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 2>ping L eight, was like the greatest bag ever made.

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:29.280
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0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:53.200
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0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:55.920
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0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 2>with Nick Sherburn. All right, I got to ask you,

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 2>so we're moving to the nineties and to be something

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 2>that I when I was doing this that stuck out

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:28.600
<v Speaker 2>was like, this has to be like the golf shaft.

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 2>This is just the this is the decade of like

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 2>real like innovation. You could list twenty clubs for all

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 2>these and you're not have a bad answer. But also

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 2>the golf shaft. This is where, like I remember, this

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 2>is where like customization kind of started, right yep.

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was a high schooler and I wanted to

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 3>get customized, started learning met Everett started a business in

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 3>the late nineties. That now here we are twenty four

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 3>years later. But I mean, we'll jump into it. Like

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 3>for me, I put driver, I put the callaway Big

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 3>Bertha the tailor made burner in the nine to seventy

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 3>five D. And the funny part is is the burner

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 3>came out. I had no money, could my family could

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 3>never afford it. But my best friend, whose dad could

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 3>afford it and was a huge golfer, who got me

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 3>into golf was my family didn't golf. He got him

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 3>with the bubble shaft, and I about died. I wanted

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 3>to hit it all the time, you know, stuff like that.

0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 3>I eventually ended up being able to get one. I

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 3>worked one summer or whatever and get one. But the

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 3>best story is the nine seventy five D, which is

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 3>what I played pretty much all through high school. Reshafted

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 3>like ten times with like I had a pro force

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 3>in there. I had a true temper ei seventy. I

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 3>had a gravelly pro light in there. And actually I

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 3>borrowed the money from my grandma to buy it. And

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 3>what she did is she charged me interest, and she

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 3>sent me a postcard every month with you know what

0:30:57.600 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 3>the balance of my loan was, what I had paid

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 3>an interest in the whole nine yards. It was a

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 3>great lesson and that's how I got my nine seventy

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 3>five d.

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 2>That's like an incredible graandmar teaching you like like this

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 2>is the way, this is what borrowing money is. You know, yep,

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I have I have five written down. One comical one

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 2>that I have to fit in is the Wilson fat shaft.

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Ooh hey, a lot of people bought those things though,

0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I know.

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 2>But my cousin up until like five years ago, he's

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 2>a good player, played in high school, like really good player.

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Still just had the five five wood fat shaft in

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 2>his bag and he would just take it out and

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 2>practice swing. So you'd hear the wooshing. What was the

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 2>principal behind the bubble shaft? That was a question I

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 2>had for you.

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, I used to know the answer to this,

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 3>and I'm going to guess on what it is because

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't really remember after all this time.

0:31:57.680 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 1>But I did, I mean obviously knew it one time.

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>I want to say.

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 3>What they were trying to create was a little bit

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 3>higher kick points, so like you know, it's firmer up

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 3>there at the at the top and you know, but

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:12.959
<v Speaker 3>not make it play stiff, so like you had a

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 3>normal handle, right, Like a lot of times, if you

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 3>make a shaft that's supposed to be kind of lower launching,

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 3>lower spinning, it's gonna play really stiff for most people

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 3>that think, you know, they really can't swing it. The

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 3>bubble shaft allows you to have more of a normal

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 3>like butt section. Didn't feel super hard to swing, but

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:31.400
<v Speaker 3>the shaft didn't throw it real high in the air.

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 3>I believe that's what they were trying to accomplish there,

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 3>but I can't remember that.

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 1>Well.

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the I gained a lot of my high

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 2>school career was a great big Bertha with the pro force.

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 2>That's obviously, and there I feel I've hard pressed to

0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 2>like put it over the big Bertha, which was, like

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously like a transcendent club The other one

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:58.840
<v Speaker 2>I had was the ping tis I, and I had

0:32:58.880 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 2>it in here.

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 4>I feel like everybody used it.

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.240
<v Speaker 2>And the thing that I like think is comical about

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 2>it was how the weight in the back like always popped.

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:13.320
<v Speaker 3>Out, always fell out. Now here's the other thing, that hozzle. Okay,

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 3>So the ping ice I was huge, and you know

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 3>I owned one of those because that was later like

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:23.160
<v Speaker 3>when we we had the business going so and so

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 3>we didn't sell ping of time. We couldn't get an account,

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 3>but we had tons of people would come to us

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 3>and want reshafted. For folks that may not know that

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 3>ping ice I had a plastic hozzle. The idea was

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 3>is different hozzles had differently angles, YadA, YadA, YadA, and

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 3>so you know, they created like a little PBC pipe

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 3>kind of like tool that we could use. And what

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:43.640
<v Speaker 3>we'd have to do is heat up a long rod,

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 3>shove it down the shaft, heat it, try to heat

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 3>it internally and then take this thing off. And it

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 3>was always a gamble of whether you were going to

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 3>burn that that hozzle or not and just completely ruin

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 3>the whole thing. Then they eventually, you know, people knocked

0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 3>off the hozzle. So at least you could take out

0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 3>the one if you ruined it and in a new one.

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:03.959
<v Speaker 3>But man, we reshafted a lot of those and they

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 3>were a pain in the butt. But that was a

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 3>good driver.

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 4>It was a great, great driver.

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 2>I think like that the title is run from this

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 2>point and drivers was really great with the D, the

0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 2>J and then the K like those all three of

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 2>those drivers were spectacular. There was something about the aesthetic

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 2>look of the titleist at that time.

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 3>Oh so good, so clean. I mean that night, I mean,

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.279
<v Speaker 3>I loved my nine seventy five D. I thought that

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 3>was just like the greatest thing ever. And then I

0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:37.799
<v Speaker 3>you know, that was when I was starting to get

0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 3>really into club building. And you know, you had a

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:42.440
<v Speaker 3>three and a half inch bore through which just stiff

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 3>in the crap out of the shaft. That was one

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 3>of the things that helped them, you know, keep the

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:48.840
<v Speaker 3>spin and launch down, just like I believe you know,

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 3>they were trying to do with the bubble shaft. Then

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 3>I found out, I'm like, man, this makes the shaft

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.440
<v Speaker 3>really stiff. So we started blind booring it, where we

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 3>would leave two inches of shaft in the in the

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 3>in the boar through and then just put the real

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 3>shaft we want on it on top of that, so

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 3>that you really only had your shaft in there an

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 3>inch and a half. And then that really created some

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, speed for me.

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I had. I had a lot of fun with that driver.

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.120
<v Speaker 2>That had to mess with like fittings right that the

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 2>shaft would come out way stiffer than actual right, I

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 2>mean that's not you couldn't you had to boor through shaft.

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 4>It's not like you could pop it enough.

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:26.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you couldn't measure as much stuff back then.

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 3>So that was back when we really had to be

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:31.439
<v Speaker 3>like artists to a degree and kind of know what

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 3>was going to happen because there wasn't a lot of

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 3>ways to measure it back then.

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna go with the I'll go with I'm

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:44.239
<v Speaker 2>gonna go with the D. I never I never had

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 2>the big bubble shaft. I you know, that was something

0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 2>I always wanted that. One of the things about the

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 2>burner bubble is underrated things just the color of it.

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 3>Well, so I ended up I got a driver. I

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:00.479
<v Speaker 3>ended up, you know, over time, building up to buy

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 3>these things or whatever. I remember I used the three

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 3>wood for a super long time. And actually back in

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 3>the day, I used to not use a T. I

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 3>used to take the like the toe of that three wood,

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 3>hit it in the ground, create like a dipple, and

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 3>then put the ball on top of it and smoke

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 3>it off the T.

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 1>That's what I would do.

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:22.400
<v Speaker 3>And so over time the copper paint would wear off

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 3>and this thing just looked like a nightmare. And then eventually,

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 3>just like I did with the S two h two,

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 3>just like I did with the three wood the PT,

0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 3>I eventually just made them all shiny, buff them up,

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 3>made them shiny.

0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:35.759
<v Speaker 4>I there was something with the D.

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 2>If you took the finish off the nine seventy five D,

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:40.799
<v Speaker 2>it looked really cool too.

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:43.839
<v Speaker 4>This this was like the time.

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:46.400
<v Speaker 2>When you took finish off and it was like they

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, that was like the ways you know, you

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 2>had the inside out had cover, you know, guys that

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 2>had to finish off, like you're kind of worried about

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:58.440
<v Speaker 2>the like it was like, I feel like in junior

0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:00.719
<v Speaker 2>golf at this time, and I don't know if it's

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 2>like this because I'm not a junior golfer anymore, but

0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 2>there is like certain people's bags intimidated you.

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:10.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely I tried to be one of those people.

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:12.680
<v Speaker 3>I didn't have the funds to do it, but luckily

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:14.400
<v Speaker 3>I knew how to use my two hands. And were

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:16.839
<v Speaker 3>you know, coming from a smaller farm community and didn't

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 3>getting into golf and having no money, You're like, okay,

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 3>I got to figure this out. And I've seen how

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 3>other things get worked on, so I'm like, what's the

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:24.479
<v Speaker 3>difference to golf club.

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I can work on this nowadays.

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:28.319
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if, like you know, with all them

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:30.000
<v Speaker 3>in different materials, I don't know if I would be

0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 3>buffing out a driver, but actually I can tell you

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:35.759
<v Speaker 3>I would not be. But back then, we you know,

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 3>that was solid head drivers, steal whatever. You could just

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:40.280
<v Speaker 3>go to town on them.

0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, three woods, this is this is maybe

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:49.719
<v Speaker 2>the hardest nineties spareaway woods. It's maybe the hardest selection

0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:51.319
<v Speaker 2>of all.

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:51.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 3>So, like I said, my number one would have probably

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 3>been the title is PT. I loved it, the Tiger effect,

0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:00.919
<v Speaker 3>all that stuff I'd get, you know, I loved play.

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 3>I had an stoh two, I liked playing too, so

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 3>it was like a similar kind of size kind of thing.

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 3>And then if it wasn't that, it would have been

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 3>the tailor made burner for me. That's what it would

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:09.879
<v Speaker 3>have been.

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 2>So I have a bunch listed here. I couldn't not like,

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:16.759
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't help myself. I think I'd take the pet.

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:19.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I honestly may never get rid of it.

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:26.359
<v Speaker 2>But also in here you cannot you cannot not have

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 2>oral of ar trimetal.

0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:32.239
<v Speaker 3>So it's funny you mentioned that because obviously when I

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 3>was looking going down my rabbit holes and looking people

0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:37.799
<v Speaker 3>and actually I was talking with one of our general

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 3>managers here for the Central and I was like, he's like,

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 3>you got to put the Olamar on there. I'm like, dude,

0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:45.279
<v Speaker 3>I didn't like the Olamar when I was there. It

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 3>wasn't for me. I did not I didn't like that shallowhead.

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 3>I just I'm a steep player. I didn't like it.

0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 3>Everybody loved it. Obviously, they sold a kadrillion of him.

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 1>He brought it up.

0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 3>I saw it in every article I looked at when

0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:59.200
<v Speaker 3>I was doing this, I just couldn't put it on

0:38:59.239 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 3>my list.

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I swear there's something with like launch conditions, right like

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 2>obviously this was a time like that shallow Head made

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 2>the ball get up in the air, and I had

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:13.359
<v Speaker 2>a seventeen degree or Lamar that went like almost as

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 2>far as my driver, Like it was just it was

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 2>a beat, like you could just hammer the thing it

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:22.920
<v Speaker 2>was and I'm a shallow swigger, so like it was

0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 2>just like perfect for me that that three would It's

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:32.399
<v Speaker 2>that whole business case is like an unbelievable like kind

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.880
<v Speaker 2>of like story of how they kind of you know,

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 2>rose with the infomercials. Like that's the other aspect of it.

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.439
<v Speaker 2>It's like if you're a kid, if you had golf

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:43.319
<v Speaker 2>channel on, you were just getting served with.

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Build with Lamar.

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:48.600
<v Speaker 3>Now I will say like as a club, as a

0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 3>as a club fitter and a club junkie, that was

0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:55.760
<v Speaker 3>the first like super technology wise fairwwood like super hot,

0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.160
<v Speaker 3>super easy to hit ball in the airth like it

0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:02.160
<v Speaker 3>was the one that you know, really got that firing up.

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 2>The other thing is direct to consumer brand in the

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:10.080
<v Speaker 2>nineties like almost like you know, almost ahead of their

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 2>time if you think about like society in general, right

0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 2>like way ahead of their time in terms of especially

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:19.840
<v Speaker 2>a golf which is usually a little bit slower like

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 2>innovation front, but like they were direct to consumer like

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:26.239
<v Speaker 2>if that you know, that's like what every brand and

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 2>consumer care you know or consumer like is doing direct

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 2>to consumer. They were doing it in the nineties. Fascinating,

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 2>fascinating company. Other ones on here Adams Tight Lives. That

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 2>was in the similar vein to the Aoral of Our.

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:45.520
<v Speaker 3>Well, similar story, I mean in a early way. But

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 3>uh now I did try that. It was okay for me,

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:52.359
<v Speaker 3>not the best, but yeah, that was another huge one

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:54.000
<v Speaker 3>back in the day. I think I had an E

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:55.920
<v Speaker 3>seventy in that one when I played it.

0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Other other ones I had Callaway Steelhead. I think that

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.040
<v Speaker 2>at the very end of the nineties, those were spectacular.

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.239
<v Speaker 2>And then you can't not say the big birth of

0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:08.880
<v Speaker 2>war birds because they had the heaven Wood and the

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 2>divine nine.

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 3>Steel had for me was I played that for one

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 3>year and that was that thing.

0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Felt like a rocket ship.

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it was maybe that and Olamar. I don't

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 3>know which one would have been hotter. They were pretty close,

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 3>but that thing was It felt and looked like a

0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:27.280
<v Speaker 3>rocket ship.

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:30.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, those things went forever, all right, Irons.

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 1>So I had for me the title is nine sixty twos, and.

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 3>I could have said that here too. I could have

0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:40.880
<v Speaker 3>said the nine sixty two bees. I was trying to

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 3>think of what I would play. I'd want to play

0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:46.359
<v Speaker 3>the Bees because two our guys played them, but I

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:49.319
<v Speaker 3>probably wouldn't. I played the nine sixty twos, and I

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 3>actually put rifle six point five shafts because that's what

0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:55.600
<v Speaker 3>I would have played, an original precision rifle six point

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 3>In fact, I had a set of six point five

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:00.279
<v Speaker 3>shafts in them and I thought they were just like

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 3>the coolest things ever, and that was that was my

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 3>main iron. I didn't put extras because at that point

0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:08.319
<v Speaker 3>I could have gone down a million rabbit holes, so

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 3>I didn't, but that would have been That was when

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:14.400
<v Speaker 3>I played and loved and yeah.

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:15.760
<v Speaker 4>I mean spectacular choice.

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:19.560
<v Speaker 2>I had them on here they were I was thinking about, like,

0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 2>this is like one of those irons, Like I immediately

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 2>like when I was doing this, I was like, you

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:26.919
<v Speaker 2>know what, it'd be awesome to have a set of those.

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Those they are spectacular irons. Can I with the rifle shaft?

0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:32.839
<v Speaker 4>You know?

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 2>If I remember correct, the whole thing was they turned

0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 2>the shaft inside out right.

0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 3>Well sort of, I mean so really, what what was

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 3>cool about rifle is is if you take the steps

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 3>out of it, Okay, it gets thicker, quicker, and so

0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:49.640
<v Speaker 3>the idea was is that you were going to get

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 3>this little bit different feel, a little bit different performance.

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:54.359
<v Speaker 3>The other thing is is you could create a little

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 3>bit easier, like better like tipping situation. So when what

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean by that is they could rate a blank

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 3>shaft where you could tip off, you know, take uh,

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.359
<v Speaker 3>mass off the tip, mass off the butt and kind

0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 3>of fine tune the frequency. At the time, but to me,

0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:12.120
<v Speaker 3>it was mostly like it was gonna launch just a touch,

0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:13.760
<v Speaker 3>it was gonna spind a little bit more than a

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.839
<v Speaker 3>dynamic gold time, which was really all there was, and

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 3>or you know that kind of like a step shaft.

0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 3>It was gonna launch and fee a little bit smoother feeling.

0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:24.360
<v Speaker 4>That's uh, that was a big change.

0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 2>I think I got them like late late nineties, maybe

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:29.840
<v Speaker 2>early two thousands. I don't know when the ping I

0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 2>three came out, but I had them in those uh

0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 2>the uh the others I had on here, the Hogan

0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:39.359
<v Speaker 2>Apex blades at this time, ye were like, I mean,

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 2>if you want to blaze set of blades like those,

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 2>those are among the most gorgeous irons ever. And then

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:50.720
<v Speaker 2>the Mizuno Tezoid, the t zoid like pro amazing irons.

0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 2>One of the guys that works for US Cavern Herds

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 2>plays those still and they're incredible. I mean like those

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:01.360
<v Speaker 2>were like those were into dang iron when you go

0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 2>against it, as well as the MP fourteen's obviously in

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:08.279
<v Speaker 2>there too. I have for a wedge, the just out

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:11.280
<v Speaker 2>of Comedy's sake, the Pure Spin Diamond Face scoring watch

0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 2>for anybody that watched Golf Channel in the nineties.

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Those were awesome.

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:20.480
<v Speaker 3>We sold those actually in ninety eight or ninety nine whatever,

0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:21.239
<v Speaker 3>we sold those.

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:22.799
<v Speaker 1>What was the other one?

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 3>It had a black face and it was actually it

0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:27.479
<v Speaker 3>could have an illegal face.

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:28.280
<v Speaker 1>It was illegal.

0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 4>You could change it in and out.

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:33.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I can't remember the name of it. And they

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 3>had the infomercial where they would like hit balls onto

0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:38.440
<v Speaker 3>like a parking lot and it would backspin in a

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 3>parking lot on you know whatever. You just reminded me

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:45.080
<v Speaker 3>of those two shit. I didn't think about Dot Puercepin

0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 3>Diamond Diamond Face. Wedges definitely had them sold them. I

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 3>actually went just old school with mine and I went

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 3>Voky four hundred series. That was the first like votis

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:57.560
<v Speaker 3>and I got them and I thought they were like

0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:00.400
<v Speaker 3>the coolest thing ever. I actually had I said them out,

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:02.440
<v Speaker 3>had them stripped. I was one of the first people

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 3>to do raw fokey wedges, and.

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:10.439
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, voke felt like a startup within Titleist right

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:13.239
<v Speaker 2>because it didn't have like that Titleist brand. It was

0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:16.920
<v Speaker 2>their Vokes, and it's it's an interesting case study of

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:20.919
<v Speaker 2>like the idea of like having something that's different within

0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:21.560
<v Speaker 2>your brand.

0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely and he paid off for him looking at it

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:28.760
<v Speaker 3>this year's I mean, vokes still sell better than about

0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:31.399
<v Speaker 3>any other wedge on the market at this point. Part

0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 3>of that's their options and just grinds and everything that

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:36.360
<v Speaker 3>they do. And I think it also lends to show

0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:38.799
<v Speaker 3>like when you're super focused on something, how you can

0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 3>make it really good. I think that's something Titleist has

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:43.680
<v Speaker 3>been good at, Like, hey, we got Scotty that does putters,

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:46.480
<v Speaker 3>focus on putters. We got Vokey that focus on wedges,

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:50.400
<v Speaker 3>do budges that way. It's like very like concentrated, So

0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.720
<v Speaker 3>it makes it good, all right putters.

0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 1>So I only put one, and again it's this is

0:45:57.160 --> 0:45:57.960
<v Speaker 1>nostalgia for me.

0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:02.000
<v Speaker 3>I did Scottie Cameron Corona and that's because I back

0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 3>in Central Illinois. You do a thing as a kid

0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:07.879
<v Speaker 3>called the tasseline. It's like the worst job you could

0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:10.879
<v Speaker 3>ever do. You basically get paid for six weeks during

0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:13.120
<v Speaker 3>the summer to walk up and down cornfields and pull

0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 3>the top of the corn out the tassel they call it,

0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:18.920
<v Speaker 3>and it's how you pollinate it. And you get paid,

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:20.719
<v Speaker 3>like at the time it was like minimum wage. I

0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:22.479
<v Speaker 3>think I got like five and a quarter or something

0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:25.480
<v Speaker 3>an hour. It was absolutely a horrendous job. It's so

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:29.520
<v Speaker 3>hot in there, just bugs, just torrible. But anyway, I

0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:33.080
<v Speaker 3>saved up all summer and went to a golf shop

0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:35.960
<v Speaker 3>and bought a title. That was when Scottie Cameron launched

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:39.280
<v Speaker 3>their first like whatever the oil Can't the oil finished

0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 3>putters and I got the Corona and thought it was

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:43.200
<v Speaker 3>the cool I had it forever.

0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 1>It was awesome. That was my putter.

0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I think there are two choices here and they're Scottie

0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Cameron's and it's the oil Can and oil Can series

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:56.680
<v Speaker 2>or what I chose, which is the Scottie Cameron to Rellium.

0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:58.319
<v Speaker 4>I never had one as a kid.

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:02.320
<v Speaker 2>This is something that I at that rummage garage of

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:05.239
<v Speaker 2>the rummage sale yours. I found a beat up one

0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:07.120
<v Speaker 2>and then I paid like at the time, like one

0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:09.520
<v Speaker 2>hundred bucks to ship it into Titleists and they sent

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 2>me back one. But like to me, there was no

0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:17.360
<v Speaker 2>greater envy than somebody that had like a fresh trillium

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Scottie Cameron putter.

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:23.680
<v Speaker 3>So the long neck Carillium to this day is still

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:26.400
<v Speaker 3>one of my favorite putters in my arsenal. I thought

0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:30.279
<v Speaker 3>I bought it probably twelve years after they they came out,

0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:34.040
<v Speaker 3>found a beat up one, had it completely refinished. It's

0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:36.440
<v Speaker 3>sick and it's still one of my favorite putters today.

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:40.440
<v Speaker 2>And obviously Odyssey at this time had like that rossy

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:43.640
<v Speaker 2>ballot that was like a big one, and then you

0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:47.360
<v Speaker 2>had like the they I had a blade, an Odyssey Blade.

0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:50.160
<v Speaker 2>I think they called it the Pro Force maybe yep,

0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:54.359
<v Speaker 2>it was yep. I love that putter too, But those

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:57.120
<v Speaker 2>were what I gave. I couldn't I at this point,

0:47:57.200 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I could not afford to get like a four hundred

0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 2>to really im putters as a kid.

0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:04.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, same, I couldn't get it trillium at the time.

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 3>I did, like I said, save up for that oil

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.960
<v Speaker 3>can and use that for a long time. But yeah,

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:13.400
<v Speaker 3>the the the honorable mention I had because that was

0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:16.200
<v Speaker 3>still I mean Steve Struckers, who make me think of

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:19.960
<v Speaker 3>that Pro Force. He used that thing forever. But that

0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:22.120
<v Speaker 3>was a great putter. I never was a Rossie fan,

0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:24.080
<v Speaker 3>but that that Pro Force was a great putter.

0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:27.840
<v Speaker 2>That Pro Force. I think there was something like with rain.

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:31.400
<v Speaker 2>They sometimes get messed up. The insert would get messed

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:32.000
<v Speaker 2>up with rain.

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh they they over the years they had different yeah,

0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 3>different things with heat or rain on all those inserts.

0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:40.879
<v Speaker 3>And you know, at the time, not many people were

0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:42.960
<v Speaker 3>doing a lot of inserts. That was like what inserts

0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:45.520
<v Speaker 3>were becoming like more of a thing. Like I think

0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:48.279
<v Speaker 3>Ping had their like the one that had like the pixels.

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:50.600
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember what the name of it was.

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Things.

0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:56.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think I think DJ Singh might have want

0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:58.840
<v Speaker 3>to turn somebody won something with that, and then everybody,

0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:02.719
<v Speaker 3>every kid I knew, wanted one. But yeah, that was

0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 3>when inserts were coming. I mean, you can even say

0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:07.520
<v Speaker 3>I called it the Nubbins putter. But what was the

0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:08.160
<v Speaker 3>tailor made.

0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna bring this up the basketball I think

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:13.840
<v Speaker 2>it was, and they put the basketball, they put it

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 2>outside of a basketball on the face.

0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:20.799
<v Speaker 1>I just remember, like I would go to the store.

0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.279
<v Speaker 3>Because we didn't sell tailor at the time, So we

0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:26.239
<v Speaker 3>were more like custom brands at the time in the

0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:28.880
<v Speaker 3>late nineties, like Kzgs and all these little you know,

0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Wood Brothers and stuff. We didn't have a lot of

0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 3>big accounts because we were just new and nobody knew us,

0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:34.759
<v Speaker 3>and we couldn't really afford it. So I would if

0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:36.840
<v Speaker 3>I wanted something like big custom brand, I didn't have

0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:38.359
<v Speaker 3>to go to the store like anybody else. Even though

0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:40.440
<v Speaker 3>I had a little golf shot and I remember I

0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:41.880
<v Speaker 3>would go putt with that thing. I thought it was

0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 3>the most interesting thing. But it was funny. It would

0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:47.480
<v Speaker 3>grab the ball sometimes, so depending on how like, if

0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:49.120
<v Speaker 3>you hit a good stroke, you were like, man, this

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:51.000
<v Speaker 3>thing feels awesome. Then all of a sudden, on a

0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:53.120
<v Speaker 3>bad stroke, you're like, wait, the ball went sideways.

0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:53.800
<v Speaker 1>What happened?

0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:58.239
<v Speaker 2>So I can't remember if it was the end of

0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:00.560
<v Speaker 2>the nineties or the early two thousand for that putter.

0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:02.479
<v Speaker 4>I haven't In the two thousand, I wasn't sure.

0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find the I was looking online trying to

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:06.040
<v Speaker 2>figure out when it was.

0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 1>It was right around that two thousand.

0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that butter is one of the most interesting

0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:17.880
<v Speaker 2>design experiments of all time because it was like it

0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:22.319
<v Speaker 2>was bad. They put a basketball the feel of a

0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:30.000
<v Speaker 2>basketball on the house. Wait what yeah, all right, two thousands.

0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:32.240
<v Speaker 2>I think we got to keep this early two thousands.

0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:34.560
<v Speaker 2>I hope you kept it early two thousands because.

0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 1>I tried to.

0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:37.319
<v Speaker 2>I feel like once you once you hit the five

0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:40.600
<v Speaker 2>sixty with that uh with the tailor made, that's when

0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:44.080
<v Speaker 2>everything like kind of changed and uh so, well.

0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:47.080
<v Speaker 3>I did the I did. I tried to keep it

0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 3>as early as possible, but I could. I didn't find

0:50:49.120 --> 0:50:52.279
<v Speaker 3>the year like I did five five the R five

0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:55.080
<v Speaker 3>eighty TP, I want to say that was like two

0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:57.319
<v Speaker 3>thousand and two, two thousand and three. I didn't like

0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:00.080
<v Speaker 3>look it up, look it up, But that was one

0:50:59.920 --> 0:51:02.520
<v Speaker 3>of the coolest all time drivers to me. Of all,

0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:05.080
<v Speaker 3>you had to be the five eighty TP. You couldn't

0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:06.520
<v Speaker 3>just do the normal five AD. You had to be

0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:06.959
<v Speaker 3>the TP.

0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 2>It had that little stamp on the toe that you

0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:12.080
<v Speaker 2>knew was the TP.

0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:14.520
<v Speaker 4>Right, that was like that you knew it was.

0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Hey, if you had that stamp on the first you

0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:19.000
<v Speaker 1>were cool.

0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:22.760
<v Speaker 4>Now what about the Graffalloyd Blue.

0:51:22.719 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Well, First of all, Hendrick Stenson played that. He might

0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:27.360
<v Speaker 3>still play it in a fairy Wood. I know he

0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 3>was trying to get out of it for a long time,

0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:32.640
<v Speaker 3>but that was like the first like super low launch,

0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:36.040
<v Speaker 3>super low spin, stiff feelings golf shaft to me, like

0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:38.239
<v Speaker 3>when I think about golf shafts and what felt like

0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:41.560
<v Speaker 3>a poll that was a graph Alloy blue.

0:51:41.760 --> 0:51:43.480
<v Speaker 4>That shaft I think was it.

0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:49.240
<v Speaker 2>Aldela had the NVS the green one around this time too, well.

0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:51.760
<v Speaker 3>They had had the NVY green. They had an MVS

0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:53.960
<v Speaker 3>that was orange, but at the time they had the

0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:57.520
<v Speaker 3>green that killed it. Then you had the Grafoy blue

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:00.759
<v Speaker 3>and then the Fuji speeder, which the TP that five

0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:03.320
<v Speaker 3>any TP came stock with a Fuji speeder.

0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that was a great driver that that TP. I

0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:11.160
<v Speaker 2>didn't have that on here. And now I kind of

0:52:11.200 --> 0:52:13.279
<v Speaker 2>like aim like, well, that was like kind of the

0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:16.319
<v Speaker 2>driver that kind of like the three hundred I had

0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:19.080
<v Speaker 2>the Tailor made three hundred series because I feel like

0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 2>that that kind of started the run of like iconic

0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Tailor made drivers.

0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:26.920
<v Speaker 4>But I guess you go back.

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:28.920
<v Speaker 2>To the burner, and the Burner was great, but like

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:32.239
<v Speaker 2>I feel like where they like in the two thousands

0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:34.360
<v Speaker 2>is where Taylor made just like all of a sudden

0:52:34.440 --> 0:52:38.279
<v Speaker 2>became this like dominant driver company and what I have

0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:42.200
<v Speaker 2>because this was a personal driver that I used forever

0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:45.720
<v Speaker 2>that I just like, I used it until it cracked.

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:48.920
<v Speaker 2>I had that Akra. I had an acroshaft in it.

0:52:48.920 --> 0:52:53.560
<v Speaker 2>It was the titleist nine eighty three k that that

0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:57.040
<v Speaker 2>driver was fit by by you guys. I think that's

0:52:57.080 --> 0:52:59.440
<v Speaker 2>when I started going to you guys. It was like

0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:03.120
<v Speaker 2>a a AKRA like red and silver shaft.

0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:05.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that was their believe it or not, that was

0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:08.160
<v Speaker 3>their original shaft. It was a I think it was

0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:12.160
<v Speaker 3>called the SC series or something, and that was Akra's

0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:14.360
<v Speaker 3>launch shaft. I mean, Akro was kind of part of

0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:16.480
<v Speaker 3>us team me and it was kind of this thing.

0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 3>And when they broke off on their own, that red

0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:21.080
<v Speaker 3>and black was their first shaft on their own. I

0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:24.080
<v Speaker 3>believe it was either the XC or SC series. Oh

0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:26.319
<v Speaker 3>that's funny that you just maybe you know, because that

0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:28.720
<v Speaker 3>was when I was really getting like the business going,

0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:31.960
<v Speaker 3>and you know, people were coming out with all this

0:53:32.080 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 3>crazy cool stuff, and that was where like my brain

0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:38.000
<v Speaker 3>was just like couldn't digest and I couldn't build enough

0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:38.680
<v Speaker 3>stuff to play.

0:53:39.640 --> 0:53:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Other one I have here is the Launcher, the

0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:44.799
<v Speaker 2>Cleveland Launcher. I thought that was a great driver that

0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:45.200
<v Speaker 2>they made.

0:53:45.280 --> 0:53:46.200
<v Speaker 1>It was a good driver.

0:53:46.360 --> 0:53:48.880
<v Speaker 3>I loved the fairway Wood more than the driver, believe

0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:52.600
<v Speaker 3>it on my side, and I played that fairway Wood

0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:56.799
<v Speaker 3>for a good chunk of time there in that The driver.

0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:57.439
<v Speaker 1>Was really good too.

0:53:57.480 --> 0:53:59.160
<v Speaker 3>I mean, we we fit and sold a bunch of

0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:02.600
<v Speaker 3>perform good but the Fairwaywood really stood out to me

0:54:02.719 --> 0:54:03.319
<v Speaker 3>with that one.

0:54:04.120 --> 0:54:07.320
<v Speaker 4>All right, Fairleywoods, I'll start. I had the Akra.

0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:10.840
<v Speaker 2>I had the Fairwaywood acroshaft too, and it was in

0:54:11.080 --> 0:54:15.040
<v Speaker 2>a Sonar at tech SSO three three wood, which I

0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:19.080
<v Speaker 2>believe like that. I don't think there's ever been a

0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:22.080
<v Speaker 2>better three wood made in the history of golf than

0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:26.000
<v Speaker 2>the Sonar tech SSO three, And i'm that might be

0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:27.759
<v Speaker 2>something I go to the grave with.

0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:29.680
<v Speaker 1>It was so good.

0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:32.680
<v Speaker 3>And on top of it, for a club maker like myself,

0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:35.799
<v Speaker 3>it was bendable because at that time, like drivers were

0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:38.279
<v Speaker 3>starting to get a little harder to bend, like back

0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:39.960
<v Speaker 3>when it was per sem and you were screwed. It

0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:41.920
<v Speaker 3>was what it was unless you were custom making a

0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:43.880
<v Speaker 3>Persimon driver and then you could kind of adjust it.

0:54:44.200 --> 0:54:46.040
<v Speaker 3>But like a lot of these dry and then when

0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:47.880
<v Speaker 3>they came out, these little metal heads. A lot of

0:54:47.880 --> 0:54:50.800
<v Speaker 3>times you could bend them lying or whatever. That sonar

0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:53.719
<v Speaker 3>tech was almost specifically built for clubmakers, so we could

0:54:53.760 --> 0:54:56.040
<v Speaker 3>bend the lie and at the time that was really good.

0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:58.000
<v Speaker 3>We could make it flatter, more upright, and really dial

0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:00.399
<v Speaker 3>a person in, So sonar attack was really good.

0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:02.520
<v Speaker 1>One. I liked it. You were a little bit better

0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:03.080
<v Speaker 1>player than me.

0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:05.640
<v Speaker 3>I felt like it was a little less forgiving, So

0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:07.920
<v Speaker 3>like you, if you didn't hit it on the screwsy

0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:10.120
<v Speaker 3>and get away with it. The draw the fairy wood

0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:13.360
<v Speaker 3>I chose to pick was because I played a lot,

0:55:13.480 --> 0:55:15.840
<v Speaker 3>because it was forgiving, it was easier. Was the tailor

0:55:15.880 --> 0:55:19.839
<v Speaker 3>made two hundred steel and okay, and believe it or not,

0:55:20.080 --> 0:55:22.799
<v Speaker 3>I'm such a geek. On tour that used to peel

0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:25.920
<v Speaker 3>away the paint from the face up the up the hozzle,

0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:28.319
<v Speaker 3>and the idea was it would make the driver look

0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:30.920
<v Speaker 3>or the ferry would look more square or open and address.

0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:33.480
<v Speaker 3>And of course I sat there and did that and

0:55:33.600 --> 0:55:35.680
<v Speaker 3>like cut made it just like the tour guys had

0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:38.200
<v Speaker 3>and everything was pretty cool that.

0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:41.480
<v Speaker 2>The I had the V steal in here too. The

0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:44.279
<v Speaker 2>tailor made V steal. That was a I mean, I

0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:47.120
<v Speaker 2>think you could play that right now and it would

0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:50.480
<v Speaker 2>be you know, you like you'd you'd be happy with

0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:54.720
<v Speaker 2>your three wood. The other thing I had at one point,

0:55:54.760 --> 0:55:57.360
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember when this was. I had a Steelhead

0:55:57.400 --> 0:56:01.120
<v Speaker 2>plus foward and I thought the Stelhead plus was like

0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:04.479
<v Speaker 2>a great, great fairaway wood that never gets talked about.

0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:06.680
<v Speaker 4>The three woods.

0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:10.000
<v Speaker 2>At this time were just rockets, like the ball came

0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:12.240
<v Speaker 2>off three woods so insanely hot.

0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:16.520
<v Speaker 3>Another honorable mention would be Tour Edge, their original exotic

0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:19.680
<v Speaker 3>CB or CB two. That would be another one we

0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:22.080
<v Speaker 3>need to add to the list, because that thing was

0:56:22.320 --> 0:56:23.000
<v Speaker 3>awesome too.

0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:27.440
<v Speaker 2>That the tour Edge when was it original? And the

0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Bazuka I remember the Bazukas. Wait, that might have been

0:56:31.239 --> 0:56:32.800
<v Speaker 2>a nineties three wood.

0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it was definitely that.

0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:39.440
<v Speaker 3>It was like ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand was

0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:41.759
<v Speaker 3>Bazuka and then Bazuka kind of lived on for a

0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:42.480
<v Speaker 3>little bit too.

0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Beyond that.

0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:45.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Bazukas were good too, too, But the two,

0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:47.600
<v Speaker 3>the Exotic was the one that took it to the

0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:48.240
<v Speaker 3>next level.

0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:50.400
<v Speaker 1>And man, that thing was good.

0:56:51.000 --> 0:56:55.680
<v Speaker 3>All right, irons, So I put the well, actually, I'll

0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:57.880
<v Speaker 3>just say this, this is where I put a rescue.

0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:01.239
<v Speaker 3>Taylor Iburn in there, and I said the tailor made

0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:03.200
<v Speaker 3>rescue only because it was kind of like the O

0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:04.080
<v Speaker 3>G one.

0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:07.080
<v Speaker 1>And I hit the crap out of it and I

0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:07.880
<v Speaker 1>used it forever.

0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:12.799
<v Speaker 2>They had the titlest one too, right, the titleist what

0:57:13.000 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 2>was the titleist one?

0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:14.759
<v Speaker 4>Original one?

0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:17.200
<v Speaker 2>They were They were early, but it was almost more

0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:18.400
<v Speaker 2>of like a driving iron.

0:57:18.640 --> 0:57:20.680
<v Speaker 4>It had the screw at the bottom of it or

0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:22.600
<v Speaker 4>the rights.

0:57:22.920 --> 0:57:24.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna look that one up. I forgot about it,

0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:27.760
<v Speaker 3>but you're right. And Sonar Tech had theirs too, and

0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:29.360
<v Speaker 3>that thing drove nails too.

0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:30.400
<v Speaker 1>That was pretty good.

0:57:31.440 --> 0:57:33.600
<v Speaker 4>The Todd Hamilton, Uh hi.

0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:39.640
<v Speaker 3>But going to irons, I put the tour preferred uh

0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:41.880
<v Speaker 3>two preferred irons for me, and that might have been

0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:44.320
<v Speaker 3>more like oh five, so it might not be super early,

0:57:44.840 --> 0:57:47.040
<v Speaker 3>but for me, they were a set of irons that

0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:51.120
<v Speaker 3>I loved playing and I still today would probably love playing.

0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:54.760
<v Speaker 1>They just looked good. They felt good at the time.

0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:55.040
<v Speaker 1>To me.

0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:57.800
<v Speaker 3>They were like that first like as a person, it's

0:57:57.840 --> 0:57:59.800
<v Speaker 3>like a fot that floats between like a five and eight.

0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:02.680
<v Speaker 3>It was the first iron that I felt looked like

0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:04.480
<v Speaker 3>what I wanted to play, which is like what every

0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:07.360
<v Speaker 3>tour player plays, right, but I felt like I was

0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:10.040
<v Speaker 3>getting the forgiveness and speed of more of a game

0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:10.800
<v Speaker 3>IMPROVEMN iron.

0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:13.200
<v Speaker 1>I love them and I still have a set.

0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:15.560
<v Speaker 3>I haven't played him a long time, although doing this

0:58:15.640 --> 0:58:17.360
<v Speaker 3>exercise makes me want to take them out and play

0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:17.760
<v Speaker 3>them again.

0:58:18.200 --> 0:58:20.480
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that was my.

0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:24.000
<v Speaker 4>All right, I got here.

0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I've got three irons that I that I'm going to highlight.

0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:33.720
<v Speaker 2>The Titleist nine nineties. I thought those were gorgeous irons.

0:58:34.120 --> 0:58:39.200
<v Speaker 2>The Miszuno MP thirty threes, which I use for so long.

0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a good one.

0:58:41.080 --> 0:58:44.120
<v Speaker 2>I had a combo set of of MP thirty threes

0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:48.760
<v Speaker 2>that you guys built that blended to MP sixties in

0:58:48.800 --> 0:58:51.080
<v Speaker 2>the three, four and five, and I thought they were

0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:54.640
<v Speaker 2>just like that. I gave them to my buddy. I'm

0:58:54.720 --> 0:58:59.320
<v Speaker 2>actually I'm so mad at my friend. My friend is like,

0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:02.360
<v Speaker 2>he's roommate. He's like, I want to start playing golf.

0:59:02.880 --> 0:59:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Do you have clubs? And I'm like, these are gonna

0:59:05.000 --> 0:59:07.919
<v Speaker 2>be awful for you to hit, but you can use these,

0:59:08.680 --> 0:59:11.280
<v Speaker 2>and there I gave them my my Mizuno irons.

0:59:12.000 --> 0:59:14.880
<v Speaker 4>He then turned around and gave them to somebody else

0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:15.840
<v Speaker 4>who sold them.

0:59:17.200 --> 0:59:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, oh that's yeah, that's dangerous.

0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Like I used these clubs for you know, something like

0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:26.560
<v Speaker 2>ten ten years maybe, and he just sold them down

0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:31.120
<v Speaker 2>the river. But anyways, the final one, the Nike pro Combos,

0:59:31.560 --> 0:59:35.840
<v Speaker 2>I thought were really cool, innovative irons.

0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:39.200
<v Speaker 4>I don't know was Mira making those at that time?

0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's what everybody says, and I believe it to

0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:45.720
<v Speaker 3>be true. I could never get a total answer out

0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:48.800
<v Speaker 3>of like anybody at Mira, but I think they were.

0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Was was Nike har hard goods, sneaky like kind of

0:59:52.600 --> 0:59:55.120
<v Speaker 2>underrated for a few years.

0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:57.800
<v Speaker 3>I believe so like that. So that what was the

0:59:57.800 --> 0:59:59.960
<v Speaker 3>original Blue Driver, I don't remember the name of it.

1:00:00.800 --> 1:00:03.920
<v Speaker 3>Those were actually really good woods. The irons I played

1:00:04.480 --> 1:00:07.920
<v Speaker 3>whatever it was there, pro forged combo set, you know,

1:00:08.040 --> 1:00:10.760
<v Speaker 3>I yeah, I mean, honestly, Nike made a lot of

1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:12.600
<v Speaker 3>good stuff. I mean you could sit there and make

1:00:12.640 --> 1:00:16.640
<v Speaker 3>people make fun of the square sumo whatever thing. Honestly,

1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:20.320
<v Speaker 3>the sumo, I mean it sounded horrible, it looked horrible,

1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:24.960
<v Speaker 3>it actually perforrible really well. And actually the Square Hybrid

1:00:25.200 --> 1:00:27.600
<v Speaker 3>was one of the best hybrids. I mean I fit

1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:29.760
<v Speaker 3>a ton of people in those. Those hybrids were so

1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:32.160
<v Speaker 3>super easy to hit. I actually smoked them.

1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:33.400
<v Speaker 1>In fact, I missed.

1:00:33.880 --> 1:00:35.840
<v Speaker 3>There was a Fujikura a time had a chef called

1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:38.120
<v Speaker 3>the rum Box, one of my favorite Fuji chefs of

1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:38.600
<v Speaker 3>all time.

1:00:39.080 --> 1:00:40.040
<v Speaker 1>And then the yellow one.

1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:41.920
<v Speaker 3>Can't remember the name of it, if it was y

1:00:42.080 --> 1:00:43.920
<v Speaker 3>or something, and they had like three different series and

1:00:43.960 --> 1:00:45.480
<v Speaker 3>what the name was, but it was a yellow one

1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:48.840
<v Speaker 3>and had I had shimmed a wood shaft into that

1:00:48.960 --> 1:00:52.160
<v Speaker 3>Sumo hybrid. It was a total Frankensige off. The never

1:00:52.200 --> 1:00:54.240
<v Speaker 3>hit a hybrid better in my life. Of course, being

1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:57.120
<v Speaker 3>a club junkie, you know, I switch, I go to

1:00:57.160 --> 1:00:59.800
<v Speaker 3>the next thing, and then somebody took it. Never got

1:00:59.840 --> 1:01:02.280
<v Speaker 3>a at similar story to what you were saying. And

1:01:02.360 --> 1:01:04.680
<v Speaker 3>I still think about how well it hit the hybrid today,

1:01:04.800 --> 1:01:09.280
<v Speaker 3>still think about it, all right, Wedges I put I

1:01:09.280 --> 1:01:10.960
<v Speaker 3>mean this was again I could have put down one

1:01:11.040 --> 1:01:14.200
<v Speaker 3>hundred million things, but the Cleveland nine hundred and four,

1:01:14.320 --> 1:01:16.040
<v Speaker 3>who were one of my favorite, and I think I

1:01:16.080 --> 1:01:16.560
<v Speaker 3>had them in.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they were satin so they rusted and it

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<v Speaker 1>was great.

1:01:20.600 --> 1:01:23.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean the rusted wedges at this at this period

1:01:23.960 --> 1:01:26.000
<v Speaker 2>of time I remember, and this might have been more

1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:29.480
<v Speaker 2>of the nineties. I remember I had like a wedge

1:01:29.800 --> 1:01:32.680
<v Speaker 2>and I used to put like a damp washcloth over

1:01:32.720 --> 1:01:35.640
<v Speaker 2>it to get it to rust more at night, like

1:01:35.720 --> 1:01:37.280
<v Speaker 2>before before a tournament.

1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:40.520
<v Speaker 4>Just like absurd stuff that you'd do as a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus, Yeah, I mean I what else did I do

1:01:44.320 --> 1:01:47.440
<v Speaker 3>to golf clubs? I mean I definitely painted them, I

1:01:47.480 --> 1:01:52.760
<v Speaker 3>definitely rusted them. Yeah, I did a lot. I mean

1:01:52.840 --> 1:01:54.960
<v Speaker 3>that was what's fun. I feel like today they're not

1:01:55.000 --> 1:01:56.960
<v Speaker 3>as easy to customizeable. You got to send them to

1:01:57.000 --> 1:01:58.960
<v Speaker 3>do things because all the materials and stuff that are

1:01:58.960 --> 1:02:01.000
<v Speaker 3>in them. But you can still do a lot of

1:02:01.000 --> 1:02:04.440
<v Speaker 3>stuff to make them fun. But there was all I mean,

1:02:04.520 --> 1:02:07.880
<v Speaker 3>this was like wedges were huge that you know. I

1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:10.479
<v Speaker 3>used so many different wedges, but those Cleveland nine hundred

1:02:10.520 --> 1:02:13.160
<v Speaker 3>did stick out to me. I remember specifically using them

1:02:13.160 --> 1:02:14.400
<v Speaker 3>and liking them.

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<v Speaker 4>They had the gun metal finish.

1:02:16.320 --> 1:02:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they were the first, maybe the first

1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:20.720
<v Speaker 2>one that did the gun metal the black finish.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think you're right. Who else did gun metal?

1:02:24.800 --> 1:02:27.080
<v Speaker 3>They might I think they were the first. I mean

1:02:27.120 --> 1:02:28.920
<v Speaker 3>Cleveland was one of the first to do like a

1:02:28.920 --> 1:02:32.000
<v Speaker 3>lot of different finishes on wedges. Like Voki really didn't

1:02:32.000 --> 1:02:35.080
<v Speaker 3>get into it well till Well passed Cleveland. I can't

1:02:35.080 --> 1:02:38.760
<v Speaker 3>think of any others. Yeah, that'll be I'll go down

1:02:38.840 --> 1:02:41.120
<v Speaker 3>that later. How that you say that? So I'll be

1:02:41.480 --> 1:02:45.120
<v Speaker 3>googling like wedges again from the night of two thousands,

1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:47.800
<v Speaker 3>trying to remember I had a sixty.

1:02:47.920 --> 1:02:50.960
<v Speaker 2>I had a nine Cleveland, nine hundred and sixty degree.

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<v Speaker 2>That was gun metal. That's how I just like remember,

1:02:53.840 --> 1:02:56.960
<v Speaker 2>and I think I won it. I wanted it a caddy tournament.

1:02:57.360 --> 1:02:59.520
<v Speaker 2>I think it was I wanted at the at a

1:02:59.600 --> 1:03:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Conway Farms caddy tournament.

1:03:02.560 --> 1:03:05.800
<v Speaker 4>I won that gun metal sixty degree for something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they definitely had gun metal.

1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:11.840
<v Speaker 3>They did raw like raw gun metal, and chrome I

1:03:11.840 --> 1:03:13.800
<v Speaker 3>think were the three colors you got to choose, their

1:03:13.920 --> 1:03:16.280
<v Speaker 3>three finishes you got to choose from in those and

1:03:16.400 --> 1:03:18.880
<v Speaker 3>I think they were the first ones to do that

1:03:19.080 --> 1:03:23.240
<v Speaker 3>dark more gun metal finish like So, but that's what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm interested to remember.

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>The last but not least the putters. I have the

1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Odyssey two ball.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's funny my notes right here show Odyssey two ball.

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<v Speaker 3>So like again, we could list off, you know, one

1:03:38.960 --> 1:03:41.360
<v Speaker 3>hundred putters, right, and so I was just trying to think,

1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:45.080
<v Speaker 3>like what was iconic a what did I play be?

1:03:45.600 --> 1:03:48.960
<v Speaker 3>You know all those things, and I ended up not

1:03:49.000 --> 1:03:51.400
<v Speaker 3>playing the two ball a super long time, but I'll

1:03:51.440 --> 1:03:53.800
<v Speaker 3>never forget it. And when it came out, because it

1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:56.920
<v Speaker 3>seemed like talk about it was like that was like

1:03:57.320 --> 1:04:00.840
<v Speaker 3>Taylor made releasing their first white drive light right, it

1:04:00.880 --> 1:04:04.200
<v Speaker 3>was like, honestly releases two ball, everybody goes and buys one.

1:04:04.480 --> 1:04:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable.

1:04:06.680 --> 1:04:10.320
<v Speaker 2>That was, yeah, everybody had one. If I remember, there

1:04:10.360 --> 1:04:13.760
<v Speaker 2>was some controversy about like with the with it, whether

1:04:13.800 --> 1:04:16.760
<v Speaker 2>it would be conforming, and they wanted to do like

1:04:16.840 --> 1:04:19.640
<v Speaker 2>the the three I think they wanted originally to have

1:04:19.680 --> 1:04:22.440
<v Speaker 2>three balls, but the USCA and RNA was like and

1:04:22.640 --> 1:04:24.480
<v Speaker 2>it might have been that it was gonna be longer,

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<v Speaker 2>the putter was gonna be too long front of from

1:04:28.000 --> 1:04:31.760
<v Speaker 2>the face to the back then wide, and that might

1:04:31.800 --> 1:04:34.000
<v Speaker 2>have been why it didn't conform. So then they cut

1:04:34.040 --> 1:04:36.200
<v Speaker 2>it down to the two ball, if I remember correctly,

1:04:36.280 --> 1:04:39.600
<v Speaker 2>that was like the gist of the argument there. This

1:04:39.760 --> 1:04:42.240
<v Speaker 2>was like, I mean this at this time, this is

1:04:42.560 --> 1:04:47.320
<v Speaker 2>this was a peak RNA US because you had the

1:04:47.600 --> 1:04:51.520
<v Speaker 2>ERC remember that didn't get didn't pass, that got with

1:04:51.720 --> 1:04:56.280
<v Speaker 2>like recalled for being non conforming when it released right.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the RC had the super hot face whatever.

1:05:00.320 --> 1:05:02.640
<v Speaker 3>You had the C four driver which was all carbon.

1:05:02.720 --> 1:05:06.120
<v Speaker 3>I think they questioned that and then right, yeah, the

1:05:06.160 --> 1:05:08.360
<v Speaker 3>two ball. There was also some shafts back in the day.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you remember the shaft's stults. I

1:05:10.680 --> 1:05:13.440
<v Speaker 3>can't remember. Somebody won like a major with it. It

1:05:13.560 --> 1:05:17.840
<v Speaker 3>had like a triangular tip section, so like the tip

1:05:17.880 --> 1:05:19.720
<v Speaker 3>they went into the shaft was round, but then it

1:05:19.800 --> 1:05:22.000
<v Speaker 3>kind of went into this triangular it was basically done

1:05:22.040 --> 1:05:24.200
<v Speaker 3>with like paper mache, and then it went back to

1:05:24.240 --> 1:05:27.120
<v Speaker 3>being a normal shaft. It's called the sults, and that

1:05:27.360 --> 1:05:33.680
<v Speaker 3>was eventually deemed I believe, nonconforming. But one of the

1:05:33.680 --> 1:05:35.480
<v Speaker 3>things I remember about two ball is that you know,

1:05:35.480 --> 1:05:38.240
<v Speaker 3>they launched these two balls, and then eventually the tour

1:05:38.920 --> 1:05:41.840
<v Speaker 3>that was heavily used on tour, and you started seeing

1:05:42.600 --> 1:05:46.600
<v Speaker 3>tour players with a sightline down it, and so they

1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:50.240
<v Speaker 3>eventually started making a model with the site line. But

1:05:50.320 --> 1:05:54.000
<v Speaker 3>I can't tell you how many times I had customers

1:05:54.000 --> 1:05:58.160
<v Speaker 3>come in and I drew meticulously with a permanent marker

1:05:58.240 --> 1:06:02.080
<v Speaker 3>a site line on those or I would take car

1:06:02.160 --> 1:06:05.240
<v Speaker 3>pinstriping and I would take car pinstriping and put it

1:06:05.280 --> 1:06:07.440
<v Speaker 3>on there and it would work out great. And I

1:06:07.560 --> 1:06:11.080
<v Speaker 3>still occasionally today because somebody will go find one or

1:06:11.120 --> 1:06:12.960
<v Speaker 3>even one of the newer models. They'll find it just

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<v Speaker 3>like you're talking about, in their church rummage sale or

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<v Speaker 3>a second swing or wherever, like out of the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the barrel, and they'll be like, hey, can you put

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<v Speaker 3>a sightline on this?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, leave it with me. I'll put a sightline on it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. I did that myself, and it was a disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>I had the first the first ball was perfect, but

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<v Speaker 2>the back one was all crooked and it was like

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<v Speaker 2>I did it with sharpie.

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<v Speaker 4>I could never get it out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not easy like it's especially because it has a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of a curvature, it kind of goes down.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to find.

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<v Speaker 3>I finally found this piece of metal that was really flimsy,

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<v Speaker 3>and I would use it as my straight edge and

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<v Speaker 3>then I would tape it on there, and then I

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<v Speaker 3>always would use a brand new sharp sharpie and so like,

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<v Speaker 3>and then that way I got a really crispline. But

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<v Speaker 3>it would it was always and stilled the day like

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<v Speaker 3>trying to make sure it was centered, because once it's

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<v Speaker 3>on there, it's on there, So it was always like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>let's hope I do it correct.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, one thing I realized we didn't hit on this,

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just gonna run down off the top of

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<v Speaker 2>my head what I would do for golf balls. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if we did nineties, I would say there was a few.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the professional, the titleist, professional, the strata, the top

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<v Speaker 2>fight strata that obviously Hal Sutton used the Maxly Revolution.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I would also throw in remember when Wilson

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<v Speaker 2>had the titanium balls.

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<v Speaker 4>I was about all.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know if you were going to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>titanium golf balls, but I was going to bring it up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I played the professional. That was like back then,

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<v Speaker 3>all the kids Taylor made had a ball that came

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<v Speaker 3>in those little weird tubes that I thought was so cool.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember what they were called. They were like

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<v Speaker 3>Taylor made Red and Taylor made Black or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the last, obviously the pro V one, was

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<v Speaker 2>when it changed everything and you had the seam on

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<v Speaker 2>the pro V one, the original prov one, I'll never forget.

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<v Speaker 2>You tee it up with a driver with the seam

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<v Speaker 2>going towards your target and then if you're using an iron,

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<v Speaker 2>you moved you tee it with the titleist, and that

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<v Speaker 2>that obviously changed changed everything at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a good ball man nostalgia.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget the first time I played a pro V.

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<v Speaker 4>One in a tournament. It was nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, same, Nick, this was super fun. We'll have to

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<v Speaker 2>have you back. We're gonna come up with some more

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<v Speaker 2>of these. This was This was so I I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I had so much fun researching. I mean, I was

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<v Speaker 2>telling my wife how much fun. She has no clue

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<v Speaker 2>about anything about golf. I'm just like, I'm really all

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<v Speaker 2>these childs I ever and uh.

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<v Speaker 4>And we'll have you back.

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<v Speaker 2>But but thank you so much for coming on and

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<v Speaker 2>uh and we'll talk sometime soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks again. I had a blast doing it was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for listening to today's podcast. I hope you

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<v Speaker 2>guys enjoyed that as much as I did. And I

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<v Speaker 2>hope everybody had a great and safe Thanksgiving. We will

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<v Speaker 2>be back next week with more episodes. We've got a

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<v Speaker 2>big company announcement coming pretty soon that I'm excited about that.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been working really hard on more details on that

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<v Speaker 2>next week, but in the meantime, if you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>a great year at the Frida Egg and I hope

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<v Speaker 2>everybody had an awesome Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to you soon.