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Speaker 2: hump day nearly every day in these parts. Wednesday, August thirtieth,

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Speaker 2: fantastic Bee's nests of salt and pepper, honey and spice. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: it's Luke Thomas from Washington, DC. Luke, we got this

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Speaker 2: great show for the fans today. No need to get

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Speaker 2: two of ye up on the phone. But somebody's gonna bang.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, someone's gonna bang. But let's tell the audience what

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Speaker 2: UFC paris on the horizon. Some big news, some big

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Speaker 2: investments in corporate partnerships in the MMA space to get

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Speaker 2: But Mikey morrimoal CBS Sports on the ones and twos,

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Speaker 2: It won't be easy. Lt. We're up against Dariel, We're

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Speaker 2: like myself, and of course a heavyweight till with hometown

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Speaker 2: But now French market is big, but you know, Francis

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Speaker 1: So I love that fight. And of course, you know

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Speaker 2: Sure, so I'm fairly I'm happy to be out of

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, there's no need to reinvent the wheel.

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Speaker 1: But what you have to do is compliment it, fortify it.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise it's curtains for him.

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Speaker 2: I'll agree with that. I like what you said about fortifying.

429
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 2: It's almost imagining building a moat with you know, fire

430
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:40,160
Speaker 2: breathing alligators around the striking and understanding that he's vulnerable

431
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,199
Speaker 2: on the ground. So what did the Great Strikers do?

432
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,400
Speaker 2: Like you said, everyone from Max to Chuck Ludell, fortify

433
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 2: that defense, make sure you're not going to be taken

434
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Speaker 2: down at will. I'm just trying to figure out what

435
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,479
Speaker 2: has been the disconnect, and you know, if it's just

436
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,879
Speaker 2: not putting in the time to do that, to fortify that,

437
00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,160
Speaker 2: because look, he's he's been remedial on the ground, he's

438
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 2: been remedia once you get him back down, it's been shocking.

439
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 2: But are there There's got to be some level of limitation.

440
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 2: Spevac has looked very good. This is though, a step

441
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 2: up in class. We're trying to figure out if his

442
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 2: win over Derek Lewis, which got him in this situation

443
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 2: was more fool's goal than a great win because of

444
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 2: the slide Lewis was on. Is there still an opportunity

445
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 2: in your eyes that Gon comes out, fortifies that the

446
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 2: takedown defense is strong and he makes this a twenty

447
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,640
Speaker 2: five minute kickboxing fight that he can control on his terms.

448
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 2: Because if we get back to those if that playing field,

449
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: you're gonna see the old Cyril Gun again. And this

450
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 2: is a fight he should win. And I think the

451
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 2: odds are showing you that central question. If you look

452
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 2: at Caesars right now, minus one sixty for Cyril Gon,

453
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 2: plus one thirty five for Spevac. Damn. Does he need

454
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 2: to keep this fight on the feet. If he does, Luke,

455
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: how do you love his chances or do you just

456
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: really like them against speedeck No.

457
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Speaker 1: If he keeps the fight on the feet, it's curtains

458
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Speaker 1: for Spovacs. Curtains. I mean, his whole game is cl

459
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: inch or you know, level change whatever, take down, ground

460
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: and pound, matt return ground and pound, maybe sub that

461
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Like the what he did to Greg

462
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 1: Hardy is basically what he likes to do. They lets

463
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: him up and then he returns him to the mat

464
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: and then just kind of fucks them up in the process.

465
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 1: That's his game. You have to stop that whole thing

466
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 1: before it gets started. Laura Sanko has a great description

467
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: for it, like the wash cycle where they're just getting

468
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 1: thrown up and down and that's really how he wins on.

469
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Speaker 2: The and I you're in that right now. Look we're

470
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: living that cycle.

471
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 1: Yeah that wash cycle. Yeah, almost hit the rints. So

472
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: but I mean, this is what you have to understand

473
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: about Cyril Gone. It's like, sometimes guys don't get good enough.

474
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: You're like, what is it that they're good athletes? And

475
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: then they train hard, Like why can't they do it? Dude,

476
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Speaker 1: Gon's trainer Fernando Lopez or fernand Lopez, I think is

477
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Speaker 1: how he is his name. Excuse me, I think I

478
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 1: was calling hi Fernando. Ferdinand Lopez was telling me, like

479
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: the guy's brain is like a computer, Like once he

480
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: has shown something, he kind of immediately gets it. And

481
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: we've seen what kind of an athlete he is.

482
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Speaker 2: Down defense right.

483
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: Right right, So this is exactly this is my point.

484
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: For a guy who can dunk, for a guy who

485
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: can play soccer nimbly, like all those things. If he

486
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: doesn't have the requisite takedown defense in this fight, it

487
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: is only his fault, and it is only his coach's fault.

488
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: There is no reason an athlete that good should be

489
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: that far behind, this far along in his career, because

490
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: he's way too athletically gifted for it to be like, oh,

491
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: I just don't have the physical skills to bring this

492
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Speaker 1: to bear. Yes, he fucking does. And it's remember what

493
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: he said, dude, between camps, he doesn't really train all

494
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: that much blah blah blah. Yeah, that would be your

495
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: culprit is Is he in the right place to get

496
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Speaker 1: the right instruction and is an effort.

497
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Speaker 2: Right, Because if you're gonna if you're gonna pass this

498
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 2: test in real life, and by this test, I mean

499
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: fortifying your takedown defense, you've got to be in a

500
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Speaker 2: spot where you're not going to get exhausted fighting off

501
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 2: the takedowns to speedback that you're not inevitably going to

502
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: you know, kind of like against a beab fighted off

503
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 2: aggressively to a certain point. But once once the the

504
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 2: damn breaks, once the you know, the wall starts crumbling,

505
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: you're done. You fall into that pool. But what I

506
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: want to ask you about Cyril gn is if we're

507
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: missing some of the rare good that came out of

508
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: the last three fights, and if there's any good. I'm

509
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 2: talking specifically about that Tuivasa war and the idea that, look,

510
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: we were shocked. I was shocked, Luke, that Tuivasa was

511
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: able to lur Gon into an actual war, stagger him,

512
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: scare him. And then obviously though, this is where we

513
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: got to give cyril Gon credit when he stepped in

514
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 2: within the chaos, sat down on his shots, and went

515
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: into fight or flight finishing mode. Dude, the results were spectacular. Now,

516
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: whatever you want to say about two Evasa, who's there

517
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: to be hit, the results were spectacular. Where before that,

518
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: I think we looked at we looked at Cyril Ghan

519
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: as a you know, at times a breathtaking striker when

520
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: he's controlling those terms and he's dancing around you and

521
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: tapping you up. But we didn't look at him as

522
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 2: sort of this means streak knockout threat. If it happened

523
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 2: over accumulation, it happened. Do you think God, when we're

524
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,239
Speaker 2: talking about not reinventing the wheel but instead fortifying and

525
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 2: going back on the strengths that you already have and

526
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: just making them stronger. Would you like to see a

527
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: more potent, aggressive offensive attack from the idea of power shots,

528
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: that maybe you can take what he did well against Tuivasa,

529
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: which was adjust in chaos and beat the bully and

530
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: take him out. Is that a mini evolution in Gon's

531
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: game that you think he can carry into fights like

532
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: this if he goes after Spevak, is he gonna be

533
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: in trouble or is there an opening here? Or maybe

534
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: he can be a more potent finisher if he sits

535
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: down on these shots and shows more intention.

536
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you of all the concerns I have

537
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: at least for this fight, for this one, that way

538
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: he gets a different opponent at different stage of his career,

539
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: different conversation. But for Saturday, I don't really give a

540
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,959
Speaker 1: shit about this. I just don't think it's all that relevant.

541
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: You've got a guy who's not very good on the feet,

542
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: who's you know, you know what, Spivak's got a good jab,

543
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: he certainly got a lot more comfortable on the feet,

544
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, and setting up his strikes. All that's true,

545
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: But over the course of time, he would just get

546
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: out struck like, there's just no denying. I know you're

547
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: asking like grually stepping on it. It's not the central

548
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: pask here, It's not what this fight is about. This

549
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: Why did they book this fight? Did they book this

550
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: fight to see if he's got that extra gear? Only, only,

551
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: only only if he's got the requisite takedown defense. That's

552
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: what we'll do. That's what will power everything. If God

553
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: can prove in the middle of the fight that Spivak

554
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: is hopeless to take him down like Tom Aspinall did,

555
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna go like the Tom Aspenall fight because

556
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: at that point Tom Aspenall did step on it. He

557
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: he locked up with him in the center and then

558
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: hit him over the top with an elbow. It's what

559
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: he did, right, so like he was just absolutely letting

560
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: it fly at that time. Sure, but it comes down

561
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: to that much more important one. It's you got a

562
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: guy with a diverse set of takedowns who can chain

563
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: them together, not much of a thread on the feet

564
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: relatively speaking. Can you answer that? Because if you can't,

565
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: then we know who you are. Now. You're just a

566
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: guy who is very very athletic, very talented on the feet,

567
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: but probably not much more. And any athlete who can

568
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 1: get around that problem with their takedown ability is going

569
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: to have their way with you. That's they want to

570
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: know what the fuck they've got with this guy. Spivak

571
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: is a phenomenal test for that.

572
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about Spivak's ubl Luke, his upper bound limits.

573
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: As we look at the rankings for this fight, Gon

574
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: comes in ranked number two, Spevak number seven. We certainly

575
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: can believe due to Gon's name, he's been in the

576
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: title picture before. He's fighting in the main event in

577
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: his home city here as part of this expansion for

578
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: France mma for the UFC that if Gon wins this,

579
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: and if he does so in a way that crushes

580
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: the critics, right, he's going to be right back into

581
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: a huge fight. But what about Spevak because Luke, if

582
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: I'm being now, this is super critical. But let's imagine

583
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: we looked at this heavyweight division, we looked at this

584
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: top ten, and we sort of lumped everybody in two categories,

585
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: those that we believe could be champion and those that

586
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: believe we can't. And that's no disrespect to those that

587
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 2: we believe can't, but they're ultimately gonna be you know,

588
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: litmus tests for others to try to get there. Sergey Spivak,

589
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, did finish Derek Lewis, former title challenger Star.

590
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: We're not really sure though, you know, does that enough

591
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: to tell you that he's coming or going? If Sergey

592
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: Spevak comes out here and beats Cyril Gohan, is he

593
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: in that category now of guys that we believe and

594
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: I'm putting like Jalton Almeida, I'm putting you know, I'm

595
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: putting Tom Aspinall in that category. Putting these guys in

596
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: the top ten who maybe we haven't seen their full

597
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: ceiling yet, we believe if they get hot, they get

598
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: a run. Man, they could do that. Even Volkoff, even

599
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: though Volkov struggled at the highest level, I still believe

600
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: one day he could win a title. Luke, I'm still

601
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: a believer. If Spevak beats Cyril Goan, will you be

602
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 2: a believer?

603
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: Hard for me to say. I believe he could win

604
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: a title unless his stand up shows significant improvement. But

605
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: I would agree that if he beats Gone. And you

606
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: might be like, oh, didn't you just say his takedown

607
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: defense is bad? Sure, but he's also a much better

608
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: athlete than Augusto Sakai. He's a much better athlete than

609
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: Derek Lewis, right, like, I mean, vastly superior. So if

610
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: he can beat a guy who is strong and quick

611
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: and agile and balanced in that way, and he can

612
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: do the kind of Spivac thing that he does, you

613
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: would have to put him at the upper end of

614
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: that division. And the thing that you mentioned BC, that

615
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: really is the most intriguing one. Again, it's not really

616
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, if Spivak beats God, what kind of Spivak

617
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: do we get? The fucking guy is twenty eight, twenty eight,

618
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: Who's he going to be in two years? Who's he

619
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: going to be in four years? If he can stay

620
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: relatively injury free. I know he's done a lot of

621
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: training over at Extreme Couture. The guys over there tell

622
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: me his improvement is dramatic, dramatic, So you really wonder, like, yes,

623
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: would beating God place him in that upper echelon the

624
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: heavyweight division? I agree with That wouldn't convince me he

625
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: win a title, but it would put him in a

626
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: different space. But it would also put us on notice

627
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: that this guy's long term potential might be significant higher

628
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: than we ever thought possible. When you had the receiving

629
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: hairline that nearly touched all the way to the back

630
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: of his head, and now he shaves his head. You

631
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: don't see it anymore. But you see what I'm saying.

632
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: We were just we were dismissing Count Dracula back then.

633
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: Might be time to start taking him a lot more seriously.

634
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, Luke, that's your main event, your co main event.

635
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: Huge Steaks Women's won twenty five former Strayaway champion Rosnama Units, surprisingly,

636
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: not only moving up to one twenty five, but making

637
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: her debut against the red hot thirty three year old

638
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: native of France manl Farol, who has won all five

639
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: of her UFC appearances since debuting in January of twenty

640
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: twenty one, most recently decisions over top contenders Jennifer Maya

641
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: and Caitlyn Chukagi and two former title challengers. So this

642
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: is we're finding out. Is Farrow in the same category

643
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: as Blanche Field and these other risers. Alexa Grosso, who

644
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: took over the belt from chem Chaco in two weeks

645
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: from this Saturday, will defend it in a OCE rematch. Luke,

646
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: the lot of the story right fully, is going to

647
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: be about Rose and the move she's making, daring to

648
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: be great, entering a deeper division, trying to scare herself into,

649
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: you know, preparing herself for a new level. What about Farau?

650
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: What about the idea that if she wins this and

651
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: she looks great, she might be cut in the line

652
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: and fighting for a world title. How ready is France's

653
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: minon Farau? Do you believe in terms of rounding out

654
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: her full game and proving herself a potential threat to

655
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: the title? Here? Is it just survive in advance, win

656
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: against a name this good Anama Units and she could

657
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: be fighting for gold next? Is this your expectations?

658
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we were in France, they're trying to showcase her.

659
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know if it's pronounced Fiuro

660
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: or cassarras. I honestly don't know. It could be either

661
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: in this particular case. Yeah, yeah, definitely not a of Sonia.

662
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: But I'll say this BC. Listen, they're showcasing her. They're

663
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: showcasing her right, They're putting her in her home market

664
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: co main event. She has a decorated combat sports background

665
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: and she's tough as shit at least in terms of

666
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: this particular matchup, You're asking, if you beat Rose on Saturday,

667
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: is it automatic title shot? Well, it's hard to say

668
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: anything's automatic title shot unless there's like, you know, complete

669
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: vacancy at the top of the division. But I would

670
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: say that the chances are pretty high, right, especially if

671
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: she goes in there and stops Rose, which I don't

672
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how likely that is that that's I

673
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: mean that, I'll say this. So she goes in there

674
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: and beats the shit out of Rose, well, then maybe

675
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: she actually is pretty automatic for a title shot. But

676
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: I just think this is more about showcasing someone in

677
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: their home market, getting a win potentially over a big name,

678
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: setting up someone who could be usable for a title

679
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: shot if that's the direction they want to go. I

680
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: just wonder what might happen between Chefchenko and Grosso and

681
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: to what extent that could complicate all the things. That's

682
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: why I just can't quite say automatic. But I mean

683
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: on deck Circle, yes, it's all of Yeah.

684
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: Then I do believe that, especially with the targeted expansion

685
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: in Mexico and doing the UFC No che card in

686
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: Las Vegas on Mexican Independence Weekend and really trying to

687
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: pull from that boxing audience that if even if Schifchenko,

688
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: imagine if Chefchenko redeems the loss in a great fight

689
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: and gets a stoppage, you could see a trilogy there, Luke,

690
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: You could, you could, And then you know, under that scenario,

691
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: could we be looking at Blanchfield against the winner of

692
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: this fight on Saturday? Who knows? Either way? The stakes

693
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: are really high. But I guess what I'm trying to

694
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: ask you about the thirty three year old Farrow who

695
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: enters by the way according to Caesars as a slight

696
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 2: betting favorite minus one point eighty to the plus one

697
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: point fifty five noma Unis, Luke, have we seen enough

698
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: from the idea of a well rounded game that Farah,

699
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: for whatever weaknesses she does have as an experienced striker

700
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: who doesn't go to the ground a ton, can she

701
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: go all the way to the top with what you've

702
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: seen so far against the Mayas, against the Chukagians? Can

703
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: this be enough to beat Rose, to beat Grosso, to

704
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: beat Chefchenko?

705
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: In your eyes, this is tough. I mean, I feel like,

706
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: here's what's interesting about Phirooh. She doesn't have in my view,

707
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: like the most impressive skill set. Don't get me wrong,

708
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: it's a very good one. What I'm saying is among

709
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: the very best one twenty five ers. I wouldn't spotlight

710
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: her game as like the one that live the most

711
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: like esthetically pleasing or the most dangerous. That's not really

712
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: the way I look at it. But it's one of

713
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: those kinds of games that is like very very difficult

714
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: to beat. She's very good at maintaining range, right, and

715
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: that alone we just talked about in the main event.

716
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: We just talked about with sugarshewan Amalley strikers who are

717
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: primarily obviously, you know, striking based fighters who are not

718
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: just good at like landing big shots or being aggressive,

719
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: and people always like the strikers that just hunt people

720
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: down because that's what's fun and exciting. But it turns

721
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: out to me that like, if you look at the

722
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: ones who are just very good at maintaining range and

723
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: have high activity, that's a very difficult style to beat.

724
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: And that's exactly the one that she's got. Plus she's big,

725
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: I think, even for one twenty five, which is something

726
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: to consider. Bec if you look at the numbers here,

727
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: you know they're the same reach in terms of their handreach.

728
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: But remember you know men all will do a lot

729
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: of like sidekicks and teaps to keep people off of

730
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: her right, constantly maintaining that range. She's two inches taller

731
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: than Ros. But this is the big one to me,

732
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: This is what really stands out. Rose lands three point

733
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: sixty six strikes per minute, which is pretty average for

734
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 1: a ranked fighter, and off your row six point five eight.

735
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: Six point five eight. That's almost max holloway territory. I mean,

736
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: that is a lot of activity behind someone who kind

737
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: of uses her kicks almost like a like a range

738
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: extending jab. Right. That's a very difficult person to beat.

739
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 1: They've got similar striking accuracy, they got similar strikes of sorb.

740
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: She absorbs a little bit less fuerro dos than Noma Yunis,

741
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: and her defense seventy one percent. That's really high for

742
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: a ranked fighter they're grappling. Doesn't look much difference. But

743
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: how about this fierrou eighty three percent takedown defense. So

744
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: let's noodle this for a second. BC. She's got very

745
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: good takedown defense, probably not great jiu jitsu, but good

746
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: takedown defense. She's got good use of range, She's highly

747
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: active striking, stays on her feet, moves around. It's a

748
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: three round contest, not a five, and she's the natural

749
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: one to twenty five. I know that Rose is capable

750
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: of magic. So the point I was just making, who's

751
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: got a more beautiful game the last fight against the

752
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: Sparsa notwithstanding Rose does. Rose has a much more beautiful

753
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: game in that sense. But there's a lot of like

754
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: really key battles where she's at a disadvantage here that

755
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: each one is hard to overcome and the collective total

756
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: might just be too much.

757
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: I think this is why I love this fight so much.

758
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: The odds, the odds tell you they're not really sure.

759
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: And obviously there's a lot of questions surrounding Rose sixteen

760
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: months off since. I mean, we talked about laying an

761
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: egg in a title fight, we talk about Arena al Dona,

762
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: we talk about Cyril Gohn, and we're being super critical

763
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 2: and harsh at the highest level. But if we're going

764
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: to be super critical and harsh with those people, luke

765
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: what she did in the Carlas Sparzar rematch to yield

766
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: her title, I mean, you have to criticize it. You

767
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: have to question the heart, the want and We have

768
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: been in places like this before with Rose, which is

769
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: also I believe why she's been such a unique, inspirational

770
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: and credible athlete and ambassador. I loved her documentary. I

771
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: love her takes on mental health and her stance stances

772
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: on that she can be when she's dialed in the

773
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: best mother efing fighter in the world and in some

774
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 2: cases the division's histories. But she's now in a new division.

775
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: It's not going to be taller than everybody else. Does

776
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: she have the kind of game that can level up

777
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: at ten pounds higher? Potentially because her timing and understanding

778
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: of striking and footwork is so well, and because she

779
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: is an accomplished grappler who can be a submission threat.

780
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: We know forar Roh isn't great on the ground, there

781
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: are reasons here if Rose is on the consistent pattern

782
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: that her partner and and co trainer there or assistant

783
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 2: trainer Pat Barry always talks about that sometimes the mental

784
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: toll of being the champ or being the best can

785
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: lead to Rose having a forgettable performance every once in

786
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: a while. But Luke, historically she's been able to reinvent

787
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: herself and reinvent herself huge you know, you remember the

788
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: head kick ko of Wayley in the first fight. You

789
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: remember some of these huge moments like the first Yo

790
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: Wanna fight where she was being kind of bullied and

791
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: she rose to the occasion there pun intended, but not really.

792
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: I believe that Rose could slide up and wait here

793
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: and just kind of float into it even with the

794
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: size disadvantage, just because the skills are so great. But Luke,

795
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: we asked this question, and I think it's a fair question.

796
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 2: Ahead of every big Rose fight, do you have fears

797
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: that some element of the disconnect which produced the very

798
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 2: forgettable performance against Sparsa where she kind of just laid

799
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 2: down the title in a weird way. Is that gone

800
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: in your eyes? Can we follow Pat Barry's trajection and

801
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: pattern of Rose's right for three times and then we

802
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: slide down, but we'll always be back. Is it enough

803
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: for you to find confidence in that and give her

804
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: a real legitimate fighting chance here one weight up against

805
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 2: a red hot fighter who appears title ready right now.

806
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean before the Asparsi fight, she had back to

807
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: back wins of her Jean Wi Lee. I mean, you know,

808
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: it just don't come a whole lot better at that

809
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: weight class. Was it an aberrant performance or was there

810
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: something else? I you're asking me to answer a question.

811
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: I just can't. I just can't. I don't have enough information.

812
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: It's a it's it's almost like the question for this

813
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: about at least on the road side of things, right,

814
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: Is this aberrant? Is this cyclical? Is the change everything

815
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: that the doctor ordered? Or is the change more of

816
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: a product of desperation but searching for answers in all

817
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: the wrong places or something like that. I don't know.

818
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: I candidly don't know. And with the time off and

819
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: everything else, I'll say this, I'll say this, it would

820
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: be very foolish to discount someone who's had the kind

821
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: of success in her career, especially in the short amount

822
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: of time that rose number Unis has had. Nevertheless, between

823
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: the layoff and between again, this kind of almost like

824
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: prevent defense game that Meno Faio has. I personally believe

825
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: that the odds makers are right to at least make

826
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: Mano Fiuro a slight favorite. I get that. I think

827
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: that's actually the fair place to look, whether or not

828
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: that will be predictive ultimately of you know, again, betting

829
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: lines are always designed to induce betting, so we know

830
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: that there's a caveat there, But nevertheless, like who would

831
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: I lean towards in this contest? I would lean towards Fro,

832
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: Which isn't to say again skill for skill is she

833
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: is talented? That's not really the argument. The argument is

834
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: at this weight class, given the kind of game that

835
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: Manon has, is it just the right formula to give

836
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: someone like Rose number unis problems? Probably is the answer.

837
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: But let's see what kind of magic Rose can come

838
00:40:59,120 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: up with.

839
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: Has that ability to disguise a big strike as she

840
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 2: did with the big head kick against you know, against

841
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: way Lee, as she did with the perfect power punching

842
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 2: against you On in the first fight, to deliver greatness,

843
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: to deliver, like you said, magic out of nowhere. I

844
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be really key in this first round

845
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: for Rose sixteen month layoff. We're not a five round

846
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: title fight. She's won big fights like this with her

847
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: back against the wall. Rose's victory over On Dradge in

848
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 2: that rematch was huge essentially to fuel that most recent

849
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: arc of when she did deliver absolute greatness twice against

850
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: way Lee, she had to walk through hell against andrage

851
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: to do that so it's like, look, I do I

852
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: want to pause on ever, like truly doubting Rose's ability

853
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 2: to do exactly what she's being asked to do, which

854
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: is like, take on this matchup that she took purposely

855
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: because fear it made her, you know, draw, fear, competitive

856
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 2: fear to want to go. She has had the length

857
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: in terms of time off, in terms of if those

858
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 2: photos tell you anything, where this doesn't feel like haphazard

859
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: move to one twenty five. It feels like she's been

860
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: putting in the time to add muscle in bulk and

861
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 2: almost kind of rebuild her body to a certain degree.

862
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: So looke for this specific matchup to come out and

863
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 2: make a splash and make a statement. Do you think

864
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: we're gonna see Rose shoot first in terms of trying

865
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: to take this fight to the ground and try to

866
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: be aggressive in that category to try to open up

867
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: some opportunities. We know what she can do as a

868
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: as it using her grappling to set up submission. She's

869
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: you know, she's a she's playing chess out there, Luke,

870
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: maybe we're gonna see her go for those takedowns and

871
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: try to aim directly at the hole in Pharaoh's game.

872
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: And try to beat her there Either way, though, Luke,

873
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: that first round, the first five minutes are so key.

874
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: You cannot give away the round. You cannot come out

875
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: and be too tentative and be too strategic and then

876
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: suddenly be down. I got to see her do what

877
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: she did in the first Ondrodge fight in the first round,

878
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: which is arguably the best five minute installation of who

879
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: Rose is, when she using that length and circling from

880
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: the outside. The only question is can't you do that

881
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: against this fighter? Can't you do that against a fighter

882
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: who has the same reach and is two inches taller.

883
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: A lot of questions here, A lot of questions. You

884
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: have to love this fight, dude.

885
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: How are you gonna beat How are you gonna beat

886
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 1: vro letting her roam at range? How are you gonna

887
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: do that? Like, it's not gonna work for you. You

888
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: cannot do that. I mean, they have the same arm reach,

889
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: but again leg reach that we don't measure. It's so

890
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: hard to say, but it's a pretty key component. And

891
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: she's taller, so you would imagine there's probably some advantage

892
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: here you will lose. Let's be very clear about this again.

893
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: A kickboxing with kickboxing range game. In MMA against Vro,

894
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: Roseambiuos will lose. That pressure is gonna be I would

895
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: imagine Key getting her up against defence is key. And yes,

896
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: she has very good takedown defence again eighty three percent

897
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: for the French woman here. Fine, she can defend a

898
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: good takedown. But if you can just clinch with them, well,

899
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: then you have elbows, then you have knees, then you

900
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: can do all those other things that might be opened

901
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: up that she's gonna want to break away from. So

902
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: the takedown might be beneficial if you can get it,

903
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: but it's not required. It's all about constraining the space

904
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: with which binofio Ro has to operate. That I think

905
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: is key. So if you see you know, Manan out

906
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: there with all the space behind her, all the space

907
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: between them, it's it's you know, it's gonna be a

908
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: long night for Rose. But conversely, she's able to collapse

909
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: the space ballgame, new ball game.

910
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll see her if she can shoot early,

911
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: we'll see the takedown defense from Manah. This is going

912
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 2: to be so fricking interesting. I cannot wait for this fight.

913
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: Come Saturday, I'll be talking to Rose Nami Uniz shortly

914
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: after the conclusion of today's MK episode, Luke, So yeah,

915
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: get a lot of hopefully, get a lot of those

916
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: questions answered in terms of her plans for Saturday and

917
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 2: what she might look like in this new division. Who

918
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: is more likely with a win and let's say a finish,

919
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: let's say a dominant win, who's more likely, and let's

920
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: not undervalue Rose's name value, who's more likely to catapult

921
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: to a title shot with a win?

922
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: Is it?

923
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: Is it still for a row because of what they're

924
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: building here in France with her.

925
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: That's a tough one because Rose is a special fighter

926
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: for the fan base. I would probably still say men

927
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: on because of she's got just more work done in

928
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: the division. So yes, I would say that. But I'll

929
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: tell you what, dude, if Rose goes up there and

930
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: picks her up and drops her on her fucking head

931
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: and you know, you know it takes her back and

932
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: chokes her out or flying arm bars, I mean, could

933
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: you really say that they wouldn't give her one, especially

934
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: if Grosso wins again or something like that, Like, you

935
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: couldn't say that. So I'd lean towards ben All if

936
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: she gets it. But uh, dark horse candidate. Let's say

937
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: Rose with a win. I mean, Rose is fighting a

938
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: top contender in this division. What is that worth for

939
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: a former champion moving up? It's worth a shitload. It's

940
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: worth a shiploads, you.

941
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: Know, indeed it is. This is daring to be great

942
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 2: shit happy to see Rose take this big swing. Look,

943
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 2: do you have anything else to say about the rest

944
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: of this card. You mentioned a couple of matchups, you

945
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: mentioned a couple of names to watch. It's not great.

946
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: I do want to see if ben Wisi I just,

947
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: I mean, was that effortless? Luke ben wos Well, that

948
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: was just it was just felt naturals. It's a possible seizure.

949
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: I just had to endure to pronounce that. But I tried.

950
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 2: Hey did you hear me? I don't know if you

951
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 2: heard me. Yesterday Luke on the press conference I hosted,

952
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: but Martin Bader. Martin bought her our guy the the

953
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: PBC in showtime language linguist. He he told me, you know,

954
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 2: if you want to do this right, you won't announce

955
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: or Dannis Ugas as fifty four milaw gross as his

956
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: nickname Luke, which is a nod to e Roldis Chapman

957
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: and his mother, whose first name is Mila Gross, that

958
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: I would pronounce the sun quan chu quatre a l.

959
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: You know, I had it written down, so I'm not.

960
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: Saying it again again.

961
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: I just gringoed it on purpose for you. But I

962
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: forgot it already, Luke, but I delivered it in real

963
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: time along with it along with in Spanish and real

964
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: non great goo Spanish the Mexican hometown of Armando Raycendiz.

965
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: So I really went for it yesterday, and I you

966
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: know I didn't. I didn't get any bad feedback from it,

967
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 2: so hey, you.

968
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: Know what, they mostly just appreciate the attempt. I mean,

969
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: if you suck it up too bad, they don't like it.

970
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: But my experience has been if you try for real,

971
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: they usually are like, hey, thanks for not being a

972
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: piece of shit. You know that's really good.

973
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: Well, Ugas is working on his English. I was able

974
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: to talk with him and his his significant other and

975
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,479
Speaker 2: his manager and all that, and he claims, Luke, he said,

976
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 2: give me thirty days and I will do another interview

977
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: with you in complete English, and I will pull it off.

978
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: You will see. So I'm going to take us up

979
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: on his challenge.

980
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: That would be a milagro if he could do that,

981
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it would.

982
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: Be a more milagros. Motherfucker. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

983
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, that's it. You don't you have any

984
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: other comments? I mean, vulcan Ostamir is back, Luke. He's

985
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 2: undefeated when fighting in Fort Lauderdale pubs. But let's see

986
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: if he can get back on track. Because he used

987
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: to be something. What is he now, Luke?

988
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: What is I don't know. I don't know. The only

989
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: there's two other fights on attention to on this card.

990
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: I as I mentioned before, Taylor Lapalis is on this card.

991
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: He's a fighter worth paying attention to. The Other one

992
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: would be for Reid or I'm not sure if it's

993
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: for Reid or Farhad. I don't again, please forgive you.

994
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: But the one of the Basharat brothers, so we all

995
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: know Javi at Basharat, this is his brother. He's against

996
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: Clayton Hadriguez. That's a fun fight. That's going to be

997
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: a really interesting test. I like that one. So there's

998
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: a couple of the names up and down. But yeah,

999
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: that's not much.

1000
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: It's not much, Luke. Topic number two, if we can

1001
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 2: slide and keep this great show moving. The best ninety

1002
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: minutes of combat sports you'll find anywhere to me. Trice

1003
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: Johnson had an interesting comment, Where what Luke? Before I

1004
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 2: read this quote? Where should this be attributed to? Where

1005
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 2: did DJ say this?

1006
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: I wish we had the video. I forgot to send

1007
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: it to Mikey, so that's on us. But he was

1008
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: on one of his streams, okay. I found the video

1009
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: off of someone's TikTok, but he was doing a stream

1010
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: and someone pulled it, put it on TikTok and I

1011
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: pulled it from there.

1012
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 2: The question DJ is essentially answering, here is what's easier

1013
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty three modern combat sports to win a

1014
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: world title on MMA or boxing. Here's Mighty Mouse's comment,

1015
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: and then we'll get Luke's reaction. He says, that's the

1016
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 2: thing about boxing, Mixed Martial arts is the easiest sport

1017
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: to become champion in. When you fight boxing, it's boxing.

1018
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: Every person you fight in boxing is going to be

1019
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: good at boxing. When you fight MMA, you're gonna have

1020
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 2: people who have significant, big holes in them.

1021
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: Right.

1022
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: You have a guy like Alex padeda six foot one

1023
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: and he becomes a champion. In MMA, you can have

1024
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: no wrestling experience to become a world champion. You look

1025
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: at Broc Listener. He became a world champion and he

1026
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: had no stand up whatsoever in terms of experience. That's

1027
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: why I feel MMA is the easiest to become a

1028
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 2: world champion. You can have deficiencies and still become champion.

1029
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: In boxing you can't. You have to be a good

1030
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: boxer to become a champ. You just have to. That's

1031
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: a little bit loaded that statement right there, Luke, Let's

1032
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 2: let's break this down. Is he onto something and right now?

1033
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: Is it easy? If you were if you had a

1034
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: kid who was ten years old and he was like,

1035
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a pro fighter? Which lane am I going?

1036
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 2: In case catcher of the quick way to the major's

1037
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 2: look which sport is actually easier in your eyes to

1038
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: win a world title?

1039
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: MMA would be easier to win a world title. But

1040
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: there are some interesting caveats worth considering. Now. Listen to

1041
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: what Demitrius said. He said world title. He didn't say

1042
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: UFC title. So that's one distinction, which we'll I'm sure

1043
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: get to just a second. The other thing I think

1044
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: it's worth considering is doing what he did, which is

1045
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: defending a UFC title over time, well, that is exceedingly

1046
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: difficult because by the time you get to that space

1047
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: we talked about being audited right where someone's gonna find

1048
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: one of your weaknesses and even though you're well rounded,

1049
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: there's just gonna be some kind of skill set discrepancy

1050
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: that one opponent's going to or one or two or

1051
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: whoever is gonna be able to take advantage of. And

1052
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: so solving that puzzle and answering that challenge over time,

1053
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: especially when there are fewer weight classes and that's the

1054
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: premier division, that might be more difficult than actually defending

1055
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: one of your boxing titles, where you could take a

1056
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: mandatory like Canelo where one fight you're fighting Bivoll. Okay,

1057
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: that's a crazy fight, but then you're fighting John Ryder

1058
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: the next one. You don't really get fights like that

1059
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: in UFC. It does, I mean on occasion it can happen,

1060
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: but not to the same degree of regularity. So we've

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00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: got to be clear. Is it easier to win a

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00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: title in bellator, for example, because that would be a

1063
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: world title, or one because that would be a world

1064
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: title versus winning one in boxing, So that's what you

1065
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: have to consider. Also, what folks are going to bring

1066
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: up pretty considerably is, well, look, there's four different major

1067
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: sanctioning bodies in boxing. It's easier to get one of

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00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: those than it is to get the one UFC title.

1069
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: There might be a little bit of something to that,

1070
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: especially dependent on weight class. I do not think that's

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00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: in any way true at heavyweight, but I could imagine

1072
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: some other weight classes where the debate could be a

1073
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: little bit more nuanced. But really, to MEBC, what this

1074
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: debate comes down to is basically two different things that

1075
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: I just don't think. Here's just the reality a lot

1076
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: of MMA fans, and I know this for a fact,

1077
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: they're just not really sports fans. They don't watch a

1078
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: lot of other sports. Some do, of course, but the

1079
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: overlap between combat sports fans and team sports fans is

1080
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: not nearly as robot as people imagine, So I don't

1081
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: think they're really just understanding what goes in to other sports. Now,

1082
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: of course, boxing is a combat sport, but here's what

1083
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: I mean, some of the understanding around sports. Guys like

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00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: Jervonte Davis, for example, who is just now entering the

1085
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: pound for pound list right just now the guy's been

1086
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: boxing since he was single digits, right, single digits, he's

1087
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: been boxing. You're talking about people who have been doing

1088
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: this by the time they get to twenty six years old,

1089
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: who have been boxing at a pretty considerable level for

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00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: twenty years at that point. MMA simply has nothing like that. Okay,

1091
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: they don't have in any way a fleshed out international,

1092
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: much less even national, real usable valuable amateur system. MMA

1093
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: doesn't even really have an amateur system. I know there

1094
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: are some entities like the IMMAF and stuff like that,

1095
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: but these are very small scale operations. Compared to USA Boxing,

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00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: compared to the Olympics, these are nothing like what you have.

1097
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: An MMA isn't even bordering on that. So just to

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00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: get to that level, you have weeded out a considerable

1099
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: amount of people, at least for the championship level. Obviously,

1100
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: any dumb ass can go get a boxing license and

1101
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: then get their ass kicked in a probeout. That's that's

1102
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: not hard to do. But for the world title guys,

1103
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: you're talking about guys who, by the age of twenty

1104
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: five have often been doing it for twenty years. Not

1105
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: all was, but often, And you're talking about having to

1106
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: work their way through an amateur system that is significantly

1107
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: in every way vastly more robust and weeding out of

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00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: suboptimal talent. That's one thing i'd say. The second thing

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00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: I'd say is everyone thinks that like, because MMA, you

1110
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: have to train more, it's more difficult. Well, it might

1111
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: be more difficult to train and get good at MMA,

1112
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: but that's not what Demitrius said. Dimitrius said winning a

1113
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: world title, right, So you can win a world title.

1114
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: And again this is heavyweight, so this is gonna be

1115
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: a little different like brock Lessner, where you're standing up brillly,

1116
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: ain't shit, you don't really, not really all that good

1117
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: had taken a punch, but you're big and and strong

1118
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: and you can wrestle your ass off. That might even

1119
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 1: be enough to do it. So training MMA might be harder.

1120
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: Getting good at MMA in some ways might be very difficult,

1121
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: but using that to win a title, to me, is

1122
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,959
Speaker 1: easier in boxing. That I just MMA fans just don't

1123
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: want to give boxing any credit, but you've got to

1124
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: come to terms with it. Please understand me. At the

1125
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: world title level, which is the only conversation we're having here,

1126
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 1: we're not talking about anything else at the world title level.

1127
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: Your everyone has all of the same skills in a

1128
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: much more the basic array of the same skills in

1129
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: a much more constrained defined universe. MMA is exciting because

1130
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: it's unconstrained. You can bring so many different elements, but

1131
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: that's not what this is. It is a very tightly

1132
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: controlled environment. Folks. Why do you think MMA strikers, even

1133
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: when they're older, get fucking washed by boxers whenever they

1134
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: spar or to the extent they even compete. It is

1135
00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: because the margin for error in boxing among works old

1136
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: title boxers is fucking close to zero. It is very

1137
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: very narrow. Dude. You make a mistake of any kind

1138
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: of variety against tank and do he will send your

1139
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: ass to the land of wind and ghosts. And that's

1140
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: including other world champions. He does that too. People think

1141
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: that because boxing doesn't have as many disparate elements, it's

1142
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: easier to master, and it's actually the opposite. Because there

1143
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: is a more constrained universe, the minute fine details become

1144
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: the thing that separate people, and those are at the

1145
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: world title level exceedingly difficult to come by. MMA does

1146
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: not have that dynamic. It doesn't have the amateur system

1147
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: that weeds out and then promotes world title challengers or

1148
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: the eventual ones from the suboptimal guys and then pushes

1149
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: them out. It doesn't have any of that, and it

1150
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: has this vastly unconstrained universe, which is why we love it.

1151
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: But what that does is it opens up vast deficiencies

1152
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: in defense that are really really hard to solve for,

1153
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: whereas in boxing it's this tightly control universe. Fine details

1154
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: are very very very very hard to overcome. It is

1155
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: harder to win a world title in boxing than it

1156
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: is in MMA. You can be much much less developed

1157
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: overall in myriad weight classes in MMA and win a

1158
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: world title that is significantly harder to do in boxing.

1159
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 2: Damn, we should have had this as a high court debate,

1160
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: because look, before hearing your take and before really letting

1161
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 2: Demetrious words sync in and I think you're onto something here,

1162
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: I would a knee jerk been like you're crazy. And

1163
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: the main point of why I would have said it's

1164
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: a lot easier to win up title in boxing is

1165
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 2: just the structure of you know, there's eight male weight

1166
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 2: classes in the UFC, There's seventeen in boxing, with four

1167
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 2: recognized champions per those seventeen divisions and then some of

1168
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,959
Speaker 2: those bootleg secondary belts that we.

1169
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: Okay like secondary belts, I mean, okay, fair enough, we're

1170
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: talking about that in the conversation changes. I'm talking about

1171
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: the real ones.

1172
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: You know, beyond the four recognized champions per division, and

1173
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 2: we've been lucky lately to actually get undisputed champions. You

1174
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: do have those, you know, interim secondary whatever. Even with

1175
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: that said, I do think the wild card in turning

1176
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: the argument back in your in Mighty Mouse's favor is

1177
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 2: that it comes down to this, there's so many ways

1178
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: to lose in MMA. Yeah, there's so many more skills

1179
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: sets you have to try to master, which can lead

1180
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: to if you are dominant in one skill set. Even

1181
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 2: in the modern era, right Ronda Rousey, when women's MMA

1182
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: was still in a very fertile space, that one skill

1183
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: set can be more dominant. It is rare. What DJ

1184
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: said in that final quote was you have to be

1185
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: a good boxer to become a world champion. You just

1186
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: have to. It is rare in boxing that we get

1187
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: a Deontay Wilder. Even though Wilder, let's give him credit,

1188
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: one of bronze medal in the Olympics. Like, it's not

1189
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: like he had you know, negative technique or training, but

1190
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: it is rare. It is rare when somebody's just a

1191
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: slugger and they can take that all the way to

1192
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: the top. MMA. We do have to remember it's really

1193
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: only been around thirty years right in what we know

1194
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: it today. So it's as if Luke, they're still developing

1195
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 2: strategies and counter strategies where I like what you said,

1196
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: boxing you do it just come down to the very

1197
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: basics at that highest level, mixed in with of course

1198
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: who's got the heart, who's got the stamina, who's got

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Speaker 2: the willpower?

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Speaker 1: All that also also something else we see. I mean,

1201
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well, there's more titles to be had,

1202
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: not just the four per weight class, but there's more

1203
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: weight classes. Guys, there are more weight classes because way way,

1204
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: globally speaking, way more people train and compete in boxing

1205
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: than MMA. Now we should note something that is changing,

1206
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: and that is changing very rapidly. That won't necessarily be

1207
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: true forever. In fact, the scales could tip at some

1208
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: point in fifty or one hundred years, who's to say,

1209
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: But right now, the worldwide participatory rates from the data

1210
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: that we have I looked up some earlier just in

1211
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: England alone, it's like a factor of seven to one,

1212
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: the gigantic difference in terms of how many people are

1213
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: training men and women in professional services to become fighters

1214
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: versus boxing. M I mean now, and of course UK

1215
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: is going to be skewed because boxing is hugely popular there.

1216
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: I understand that. But again, when you have a worldwide

1217
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: Olympics system, you are pulling in people from all over

1218
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: the world at very young ages everywhere, putting them together

1219
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: in this international competition. I mean, guys, you know who

1220
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: win the Golden Gloves. That's great. National championships, that's great,

1221
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: But then the Junior Olympics and Olympics altogether. Dude, you're

1222
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: fighting Irishman's, you're fighting Russians, You're fighting Cubans. The Cubans

1223
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: have a state sponsor program, the Chinese have a state

1224
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: sponsor program. It goes on and on like this. To

1225
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: let the talent pool as it exists today, and that

1226
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: could change, is significantly deeper in boxing, significantly. This is

1227
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: not an argument for me to saying you gotta like boxing,

1228
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: you gotta watch it. That's not what I'm saying, and

1229
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: also to your point one more time heavyweight in both

1230
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: cases is you know, yes, it might be easier to

1231
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: win one title one way or the other, because that's

1232
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: just a fucking mess. Fine, but when you get further down,

1233
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: I just don't think folks realize you have to master

1234
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: the most granular details and you got to do it

1235
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: against a vastly deeper talent pool than we get here.

1236
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: That's fucking harder to do it, just is.

1237
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 2: That's why you know, there's a short list of guys.

1238
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 2: It's rare. It happens every you know, five six years,

1239
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: you'll see it whatever. But boxers who literally did not

1240
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 2: put on a pair of gloves for the first time

1241
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: until they were eighteen nineteen years old, right, people like

1242
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Deontay Wilder was a late bloomer

1243
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: in that regard, Sergio Martinez, we've seen Anthony Joshua. We've

1244
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 2: seen champions get to a high level quickly without a

1245
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 2: deep and decorated amateur system. But that's rare, man, that's rare.

1246
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: It really comes down to that. I don't think you

1247
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 2: guys are wrong. I think you win the argument at

1248
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 2: the end of the day, So we don't need to

1249
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 2: get high.

1250
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: But again, I do want to say this though, I

1251
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: do think that like what Saint Pierre did and what

1252
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: DJ did, where you defend a title for several years,

1253
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: that might be the hardest thing between boxing and MMA,

1254
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: because you just don't get any cupcake shit. You're relatively active.

1255
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna get one style that might be good for you,

1256
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: you might get another style that's an apps horrific one.

1257
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: And the damage that you can incur in boxing it

1258
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: can be significant as well, obviously, but I feel like

1259
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: an MMA, the training, the fight damage, it is much

1260
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: more accumulative in a short span. In certain cases, I

1261
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: think defending a UFC title over the course of several

1262
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: years might be the hardest thing versus defending any kind

1263
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: of weight class title in boxing, but just capturing a

1264
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: world title it's easier in MMA.

1265
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 2: Yes, I wouldn't have said that, yes, but I think

1266
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 2: it's right. Let's keep it moving here. Topic number three.

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01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: This is interesting, Luke, this is breaking. I think in

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Speaker 2: the past twenty four hours right, it appears that Saudi

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Speaker 2: Arabia has bought a minority ownership stake in the PFL,

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Speaker 2: and if the language from this report is true, Luke.

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Speaker 2: It appears that the twenty twenty four launch of pfl's

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Speaker 2: pay per view Super Fight Division, or you know, however

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Speaker 2: you want to say it, a consistency of pay per

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Speaker 2: view shows involving some of those big crossover signings like

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Speaker 2: Francis Ingdo, Jake Paul, the female boxers like Serrano and

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Speaker 2: Colesia Shields, and some Anna Marshall, well Luke Thomas, those

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Speaker 2: are all going to take place in Saudi Arabia. It appears,

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Speaker 2: according to reports, one hundred million dollars of investment money

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Speaker 2: going and being now inserted into the pfl's mix. This

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Speaker 2: is a huge part of the idea of what Don

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Speaker 2: Davis and company have said publicly that they're all in,

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Speaker 2: They're going for it. They are making a run at

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Speaker 2: becoming the number one league with UFC at the top

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Speaker 2: right now. This is a big step foward that does

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Speaker 2: not come without any lingering questions in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 2: but it is a continuation of the expansion in combat

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Speaker 2: sports in Saudi Arabia. It'll bring up the topic of

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Speaker 2: sports washing, which is necessary. Began with WWE doing their

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Speaker 2: their shows we call them blood money shows, and now

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Speaker 2: we saw a big time boxing move over there, Anthony

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Speaker 2: Joshua and then some so timming wise, it feels right, Luke,

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Speaker 2: when it comes first on a business standpoint, the money involved.

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Speaker 2: How big of a power move is this for PFL

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Speaker 2: to that idea of trying to compete with number one?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's take the and people are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a political element. We're not trying to have that.

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Speaker 1: But we have to have a discussion about Remember, this

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Speaker 1: isn't just a Saudi business, right, that's just sort of

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Speaker 1: independent guys who got a bunch of money who want

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Speaker 1: to use it. This is a direct arm of that government.

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Speaker 1: Literally is the Sovereign Wealth Fund. It comes directly from

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Speaker 1: the government. So let's be clear about that. We'll have

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Speaker 1: some of those conversations in a minute. But you're asking

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Speaker 1: more about the business considerations. Why would PFL want to

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Speaker 1: do this. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out, right,

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01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're going to buy Bellator, which is

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Speaker 1: I'm told they're the leading candidates to still do it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the hold up is and I

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01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 1: don't know exactly when this is going to get finished,

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Speaker 1: but I would imagine that a cash infusion from the

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Speaker 1: Sovereign Wealth Fund of Saudi Arabia might facilitate some of

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Speaker 1: these acquisitions. I guess we'll see. But they said explicitly

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Speaker 1: it's designed to help them sign premier. Telling right, that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what it's for. If you're going to offer Francis Anganu,

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01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, a million or obviously millions to fight for

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01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: your organization and his opponent might be worth a million

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01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: or two just to sign on the dotted line, you

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Speaker 1: got to get some cash to do that, dude. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just realize this, I've said it before. Of every dollar

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Speaker 1: made in the MMA industry, UFC makes ninety cents of it,

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01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: ninety cents. They get ninety percent of every dollar in

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Speaker 1: the entire industry. You can say that you have a

1323
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: problem or don't, depending on everyone's perspective on this. It's

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01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: complicated debate. But you've got to get money from somewhere.

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Speaker 1: They have raised pfl significant amounts of capital from venture capitalists,

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Speaker 1: but I wonder is that well running dry? How much

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Speaker 1: of that you can really go back to. And we

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Speaker 1: have seen at least again political implications notwithstanding on the

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Speaker 1: Gutari government, on the UAE government, and as well now

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Speaker 1: in the Saudi government this desire to use their various

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Speaker 1: sovereign wealth funds to invest in professional sports for various purposes.

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Speaker 1: So you've got people wanting to spend money, I guess,

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Speaker 1: is my point. And then people like if you're a

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Speaker 1: non UFC promoter and you're on national television, your ones,

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01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: your Bell tours, whatever their future is, and PFL like,

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01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: you need a cash infusion if you want to get

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01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: premier talent, especially if you're going to move into that

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Speaker 1: pay per view space. B see right, you want to

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01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: move to the paper view space, you got to five

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01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: pay per view talent should they become available. That's really

1341
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: what this is all about. Now there's more to the story.

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01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: There's supposed to be a mean sort of Middle East

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01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: Northern Africa PFL movement eventually hosting shows in Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 1: So there's more to this relationship than just the cash infusion,

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01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be part of it. But you know, look,

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Speaker 1: you dude. Even the hometown company for me, Monumental Sports,

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01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 1: this is the company of billionaire ted Leonsis. They owned

1348
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: the Mystics, they owned the Wizards, and they owned the Capitals.

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Speaker 1: They just took I think a gigantic. I think five

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01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: plus billion cash infusion or something like that from the

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Speaker 1: Katari government if my memory serves. I'll double check here

1352
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: so I don't dead wrong myself in real time. But

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01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: this is a growing we want to call it movement

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01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: or event, really happening in sports, and it was inevitable.

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Speaker 1: Last thing, remember, there are some geopolitical considerations where Saudi

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01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: Arabia would want to compete with the UAE. UAE is

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01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: tight with UFC, right they Flash Entertainment used to be owned,

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01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: but they obviously do a lot of shows at Fight

1359
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: Island and everything else. This is the south side trying

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Speaker 1: to compete with the UAE side. PFL is probably going

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01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: to be your best bet if you want to get

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Speaker 1: into MMA. From a business perspective, it makes a lot

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Speaker 1: of sense.

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Speaker 2: Let me read a couple of pieces of facts from the

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Speaker 2: Bloody Elbow report. According to the Financial Times, that PFL

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Speaker 2: investment deal is worth one hundred million according to the reporting,

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Speaker 2: with Saudi Arabia in particular, they're calling it the SRJ

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Speaker 2: Sports Investments is the company that was formed here, but

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Speaker 2: it's using that that that government fund that you talked about.

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Speaker 2: And a follow up from sport cal reported that Saudi

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Speaker 2: plans to eventually host in bankroll a substantial number of

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Speaker 2: PFL pay per view events. With SRJ chairman bander Bin

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Speaker 2: Morgan now sitting on the PFL board. You mentioned that

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Speaker 2: potential expansion league in that part of the world, but Luke,

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Speaker 2: it has felt inevitable, like I said, ever since WWE.

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Speaker 2: Then Anthony Joshua go in there for like seventy five million,

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01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 2: the golf and soccer World advancements. There's a lot of

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01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 2: money there. There's potential that SAWD could become this last

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01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 2: Vegas like destination for combat sports because they can bankroll

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Speaker 2: so high to make these big events happen. I mean if.

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Speaker 1: Fury versus a Vegas like destination. Dude, we're talking about

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01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: a people who are let's just be clear, they are

1383
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Speaker 1: political extremists. Gambling is not allowed, alcohol is not allowed.

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Speaker 1: It will not be that.

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Speaker 2: No, okay, fair points on that on that side of it,

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01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 2: But it could have become that destination in combat sports

1387
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Speaker 2: site alone. If we see Fury USA cappen, it's going

1388
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 2: to happen in Saudi Arabia, right, They're gonna spend the

1389
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 2: type of money that's gonna make. I mean, so it

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Speaker 2: becomes this thing, Luke. We're particularly in boxing, which has

1391
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 2: a big Saudi Arabia connection. Now they have their own

1392
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 2: promotion that just signed Alexander Usik. There's this idea that

1393
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 2: like we've got to come to terms with it or not.

1394
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 2: Like you're either going to you know, pick it outside

1395
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 2: some building somewhere against the human rights record of this

1396
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 2: area of the world, or you're going to buy in

1397
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 2: and understand that. The biggest problem in boxing often is

1398
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 2: the best fights not getting made, and often they're not

1399
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 2: getting made because there's not as much money at stake

1400
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 2: for everybody to make people work together that are against

1401
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 2: their own, you know, sort of business and financial plans.

1402
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 2: When there is a ton of money, when a Mayweather

1403
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 2: Pacchio arrives on the scene, when a you know, Joshua Klitschko,

1404
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 2: when these big fights that kind of come up, you know,

1405
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 2: from a distance, then we suddenly see networks working together.

1406
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 2: If there's gonna be this type of cash infusion out

1407
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 2: there on the regular and this type of vestment in

1408
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,799
Speaker 2: both boxing and MMA, you're gonna probably end up getting

1409
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 2: some of those really big super fights that seem like

1410
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 2: only dreams. It's gonna be the continued It's gonna help

1411
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways the continued growth of the sport.

1412
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: But it is a little there are receipts in that area, Looke,

1413
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 2: there are sort of things that you're gonna have to

1414
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 2: be okay with moving forward. It's kind of always been

1415
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 2: that way in combat sports because if you dig deep

1416
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 2: and find out who really are the investors in a

1417
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 2: lot of ways and where this goes, there's it seems

1418
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 2: like combat sports is always ducking around a kin of

1419
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 2: hand around this corner, or even the mob which wants

1420
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 2: control boxing, you know, back in the forties and fifties

1421
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 2: and sixties. There's sort of always been that element. This

1422
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 2: is going to bring that out a lot. But this

1423
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 2: is a major power move that goes in line with

1424
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 2: that advancement of live golf of everything we've seen out there. Look,

1425
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 2: they're making a run over there for better or worse

1426
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 2: in Saudi Arabia. Like this doesn't feel like a one off.

1427
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 2: This feels like the future. That's where I echo sort

1428
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 2: of the idea of a Vegas like destination, even if

1429
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 2: it's not tied into the debauchery and gambling and that

1430
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 2: side of it. This seems to be the future for

1431
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 2: these can't miss ridiculously big super fights.

1432
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Speaker 1: It could be. I mean, we're talking about a sport

1433
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: where what do we call it? We call it prize fighting.

1434
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: Remember the back and forth between Jervonte and Ryan Garcia,

1435
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: and he's like, it's prize fighting, stupid. It's not about honors,

1436
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: about getting cash. And in a world where that's true,

1437
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: the people who are the highest bidders are gonna win

1438
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, that's just the reality. So it's

1439
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more complicated in team sports, especially ones

1440
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: with European or North American financial backing that can't match

1441
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: the Saudi experience. But there are a lot of other

1442
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,719
Speaker 1: reasons is why they would be better destinations for lots

1443
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: of different kinds of people and might be able to still,

1444
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: do you know, extraordinary business for the vast majority of

1445
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: people who don't want to align with either those political

1446
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: interests or that part of the world or travel or whatever.

1447
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 1: So there's there's that to be considered. But I think

1448
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 1: I would say I find their involvement in Mma inevitable,

1449
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: and this was inevitable. I didn't know when it was

1450
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: going to happen. I didn't know what it was going

1451
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: to look like. But after the basic takeover of golf

1452
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: basically and everything else, although by the way, I mean,

1453
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: I do think regulators are going to break that up eventually.

1454
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: That's not really a sports washing consideration, more just an

1455
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: antitrust one. But I don't think that that union is

1456
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: going to last. But neither here nor there. Their desire

1457
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: to do this with the ample cash that they have

1458
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: is significant. And I want to make one point about

1459
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: the sports watching if I may listen. Ultimately, what is

1460
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: the right answer here? I really have no idea. I

1461
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: have no idea, Like what is my culpability in an

1462
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 1: industry where I have to cover I'm not going to

1463
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. I'm never going to go to Saudi Arabia?

1464
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: But what would be my culpability as someone who works

1465
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: in the space, you know, profiting off my for example

1466
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: or YouTube videos where we talk about this kind of stuff.

1467
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: You know, It's a complicated question in the end, like

1468
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 1: are we as culpable as we imagine ourselves to be

1469
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: or not? I don't know, But I just want folks

1470
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 1: to understand, like what the aim of sportswa washing is?

1471
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: People are like, oh, it doesn't work because they still

1472
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: know that Saudi Arabia has a terrible human rights record,

1473
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: and they do. I mean, their record is endless. They

1474
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: persecute other Islamic minorities, They've executed and continue to execute

1475
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 1: despite a moratorium children. They throw dissidents in jail for

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01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 1: peaceful protests. They have thrown people in jail and executed

1477
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 1: them for even things they've said on Twitter. They obviously

1478
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: are responsible for the murder of the Washington Post journalist

1479
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: Jamal Kashoggi. I mean, we can go on and on.

1480
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 1: Their record of abuses is endless. But the point is

1481
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,759
Speaker 1: not to make people forget about that exactly. The point

1482
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: is to make their relationship to the rest of the world,

1483
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,919
Speaker 1: their acceptance in these games, their acceptance in these sports,

1484
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: their acceptance by virtue of business relationships, just that acceptable.

1485
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: Here's what you have to understand. John McEnroe in the

1486
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,480
Speaker 1: eighties was offered millions I believe to have a exhibition

1487
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: match against Jorn Borg in apartheid South Africa, and he

1488
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: decided he wasn't going to do that. He didn't want

1489
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 1: to take the money and he didn't want to go

1490
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: participate at a time when there was this massive apartheid

1491
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: regime which eventually broke apart, thank god. But the point

1492
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: I wanted to make is sports washing is not for

1493
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: people to go oh. I think the Saudis are great,

1494
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: at least not at this stage. Sports washing is designed

1495
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: for them, for McEnroe to go through with the exhibition,

1496
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: to take the money, to make you look the other

1497
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: way in terms of aligning business interests. And I would say,

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01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 1: whatever perspective people come down on on this one, it

1499
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: is working. You can turn on ESPN and you can

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01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: get Saudi Pro League results on the crawl on the

1501
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: top of the ESPN website. That was unthinkable ten years ago.

1502
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: Now it is our reality, and I think it's only growing.

1503
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. And there is a limit though to how you

1504
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 2: address it and how upfront you are about acknowledging certain things.

1505
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 2: MWW was heavily criticized their first couple of shows in

1506
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 2: Saudi for running during the pay per views propaganda video

1507
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 2: that that that was aggressive and and and you know,

1508
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 2: designed by the Saudi government, and that was seen as

1509
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 2: certainly just not only looking to blind eye, just tak

1510
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 2: taking it. Maybe it too far, you know. Moving forward,

1511
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 2: people are gonna have to either take their stands or

1512
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 2: be up front and be open about you know, this

1513
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 2: is a business and this is why I'm doing this.

1514
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, should suddenly Francis and Gano turn

1515
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 2: a blind eye to the to the you know, to

1516
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 2: the alleged abuses and and and not fight there, and

1517
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,799
Speaker 2: not fight Tyson Fury there and not potentially take a

1518
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 2: PFL super fight fight there. I mean that that's going

1519
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 2: to be an individual battle for everybody. But it is hard,

1520
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 2: like I don't want to see Fury or sorry, I

1521
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 2: don't want to see in Ghana, who has already taken

1522
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 2: such a big stand for the way MMA fighters are

1523
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,480
Speaker 2: dealt with on the biggest you know stage financially suddenly

1524
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 2: like is it fair to say, well, then he needs

1525
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:14,639
Speaker 2: to be that same fighter for every justice battle out there.

1526
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 2: That seems a little unfairly, yeah.

1527
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: I mean. At the same time, though, if you want

1528
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: to take Saudi money, you have to answer questions about

1529
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: Saudi money. And also folks have said, like, hey, doesn't

1530
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: the US government have a former relationship in terms of

1531
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 1: arm sales and various other things with the Saudi government.

1532
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: Yes they do, Yes, they do. So there's plenty of

1533
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: ways in which to have a conversation about who's complicit,

1534
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: who's good. I'm simply pointing out the one thing that

1535
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: folk should understand is PFL is an independent private business.

1536
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 1: The Saudis getting involved with them, that is a direct

1537
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: arm of the government. That's not the same. This would

1538
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: be like the like if the only equivalent would be

1539
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 1: if the PFL got a cash infusion of one hundred

1540
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: million from the US government, then there would be you know,

1541
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: that would be a similar kind of culpability in terms of,

1542
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, what roles does the US play in the

1543
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: wider role. So it's a complicated debate and everyone's gonna have

1544
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: to decide for themselves what the answer is. But the

1545
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: Saudis are here, and I think that their profile again,

1546
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: for better or for worse, it's only gonna grow. We

1547
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: gottaigure out what that's gonna happen.

1548
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 2: If bfl's got one hundred more million to deal with

1549
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 2: for free agency, for luring those big names. I wonder

1550
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 2: if this is the chains that needed to happen and

1551
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 2: make the Bellatur sale happen. Who knows, We'll see what happens.

1552
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 2: But this is a big power move from the PFL,

1553
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 2: just the same topic number four, Luke, Who's next for

1554
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 2: Sean O'Malley, the newly crowned bantam weight champion. Who will

1555
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: be the first title defense? Would it be a Cheeto Vero?

1556
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 2: Would it be a Mirab? Is al jo have any

1557
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 2: shot at getting the rematch?

1558
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: Well?

1559
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 2: Dana White was asked about this after the Dana White

1560
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 2: Contender Series on Tuesday Night, and he wasn't so pro

1561
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 2: Morab getting the next shot. Let's listen in on Dana's

1562
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 2: critical take on the friendship at Bandamwaight between Morob and

1563
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 2: al Joe.

1564
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 3: What is the likelihood that it would be Mirob?

1565
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: I know that there's some controversy of him not wanting

1566
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: to fight. He wants Aldro to have the rematch?

1567
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:03,600
Speaker 2: What's your idea for that?

1568
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 4: Everybody in this room and everybody watches this video knows

1569
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 4: how I feel about this shit. Yeah, yeah, I hate it,

1570
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 4: hate it. And if that's why did you even get

1571
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 4: into this sport. If that's your mentality in the way

1572
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 4: that you think I don't even want the title, I

1573
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 4: don't even want the championship. We're friends for this or that?

1574
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: This is not.

1575
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 4: You could be friends with everybody in this business. There's

1576
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 4: a lot of nice people in this business, a lot

1577
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 4: of good people. This is not about friendship. This is

1578
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:40,759
Speaker 4: about finding out who the best.

1579
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: In the world is.

1580
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 4: And if you don't want to find out who the

1581
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 4: best in the world is, this is not the place

1582
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 4: for you. You should be somewhere else. There's plenty of

1583
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 4: places to fight where they don't give a shit what

1584
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 4: you do doesn't work here.

1585
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 2: Look, we don't do gimmick fights in this promotion unless

1586
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 2: it's uh zuck versus Musk.

1587
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, see him punk. I mean that's this. We're trying

1588
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: to figure out who's the best is it?

1589
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 2: Let me let me tee you up like this. I'm

1590
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 2: heavily critical of Dana this calendar year. I think I

1591
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 2: have a right to be. Some people think I take

1592
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 2: it too far.

1593
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: It's fine.

1594
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 2: We're trying to be upfront and always be uh honest

1595
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 2: with you on our feelings.

1596
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 1: But hold on, hold on. I don't understand why people

1597
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,560
Speaker 1: get bitter at you and me criticize the guy I

1598
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: just I'll say it very quickly, just two seconds. Just

1599
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: the most powerful guy at at the head of a

1600
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: monopoly of the entire industry. We're supposed to what the

1601
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: I mean Okay.

1602
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 2: With that said, while this is harsh, and while I

1603
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 2: don't want to see Morob have to really jump through

1604
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 2: an accelerated run of hoops as some punishment for not

1605
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 2: wanting to fight his teammate, his teammate's not the champion anymore.

1606
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 2: But I'm not mad at Dana for this. It's too aggressed.

1607
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 2: Is it too extreme? Is it too much down that road? Yeah,

1608
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,679
Speaker 2: I mean it's Dana, it is. But at the same time,

1609
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 2: he should have this stance. At the same time, he

1610
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 2: should basically lay out the facts, which is, if you

1611
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 2: want to be a great friend, that's fine, but it

1612
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 2: will get in the way of your aspirations. It will

1613
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 2: get in the way of your opportunities. That's not the

1614
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,879
Speaker 2: quickest way to Dana's heart. The quickest way is taking chances,

1615
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 2: last minute names, you know, filling in whatever, like, that's

1616
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 2: the quickest way there. This is not the quickest way.

1617
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:23,560
Speaker 2: There will be a penalty in this decision, just like

1618
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 2: in our own corporate walks. There's decisions we have to

1619
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 2: make that you know sometimes Yeah, that could come back

1620
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 2: to haunt me. That's not going to help me in

1621
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 2: the long run. But that's the reality. I don't like

1622
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 2: Dana being completely naive to the idea that this could happen,

1623
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 2: that DC could be such a friend of Kane Veleska

1624
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 2: is that he doesn't want to, you know, fight, have

1625
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 2: to fight him for the title. I want to live

1626
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 2: in the world where that can be a thing. But

1627
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 2: I don't think you can get mad at Dana for

1628
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 2: being mad about it. He's the promoter. He wants to

1629
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,600
Speaker 2: make the best fight the best. I'm not going to

1630
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:53,719
Speaker 2: rail on him for this, even if I like, look

1631
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 2: like I don't want You can't make Morob the redhead

1632
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 2: step child here. You can't make him have to fight

1633
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 2: three more times for the title. But if he has

1634
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 2: to skip the next title shot as some sort of

1635
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 2: receipt from this Luke, that is the promoter's right in

1636
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 2: my opinion, even if it's harsh, that is the promoter's right.

1637
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: Did they offer the fight to Morob?

1638
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:17,520
Speaker 2: I don't think that to be that they offered him

1639
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 2: the fight when when Sterling was champion and that was

1640
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 2: like an obvious no go.

1641
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: And what's the problem with that?

1642
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 2: Right?

1643
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: So what?

1644
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 2: So look, what what what should be the fervor if

1645
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 2: you have some for Dana here that that the fact

1646
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 2: that Sterling's not the champion anymore, so that should reset

1647
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 2: all those calculations.

1648
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: First of all, I just think dressing up Morob's decision,

1649
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,839
Speaker 1: which isn't to say I think his decision making is wise,

1650
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 1: but dressing up his decision as some kind of bizarre

1651
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: function of him not wanting to be the best.

1652
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,719
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, that's that's tired.

1653
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: But that's just insanely ridiculous, Like why are you entertaining

1654
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: that that part is crazy? But okay, let's have a

1655
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: different kind of conversation, which is the one I think

1656
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: that you want to have, which is, hey, dude, at

1657
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 1: some point, how much are you going to let your

1658
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 1: career pass you by in service to your friend when

1659
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: these opportunities are hard to get? And then fleeting that's

1660
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 1: a fair point. That's a fair point. But to my knowledge,

1661
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: they haven't offered him to fight, not since the not

1662
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 1: since tuned any two anyway, and so that sort of

1663
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 1: like did the opportunity he said no, I mean, that's

1664
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 1: sort of thing. I mean, even Alga man'string, I think

1665
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,680
Speaker 1: I said, since this on social media, I could be

1666
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 1: wrong that you know, hey, if Morob is next, then

1667
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm okay with it, which is, you know, sort of

1668
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: diffuses the whole thing. I do think that, Like, look,

1669
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: it is an uncomfortable tension between I've aligned this world

1670
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: where I have teammates and friends and a gym and

1671
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: it all kind of works under these arrangements, and asking

1672
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 1: me to blow that up for a personal the opportunity

1673
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 1: carries a series of risks. I think we need to

1674
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: be respectful of that and understanding of that. Listen, I

1675
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: would say this, if Algiab doesn't get it and then

1676
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: Morob turns it down in protest, well now we have

1677
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 1: a different conversation. Now we have Morab taking some kind

1678
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: of political stance that is totally self immolating. That just

1679
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. But if they're not going to

1680
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: give it to al Jo and then they do offer

1681
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: it to Morob and he takes it, what is what

1682
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: is the issue? I just don't I just don't get it.

1683
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 2: Well, I think, look, the issues with Dana White being

1684
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 2: that harsh are exactly what you said that it's painting

1685
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 2: Morab as not putting his career first and wanting the

1686
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 2: best when in reality Sterling is not the champion. But

1687
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 2: if the receipt from making that friendly decision is he

1688
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 2: has to wait one fight, meaning O'Malley's first fight would

1689
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 2: be against Cheeto, who I would think, by the way,

1690
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 2: the promotion would much rather want that to be O'Malley's

1691
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 2: first title defense. There's a storyline there, it's a style

1692
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 2: matchup that would that would favor O'Malley compared to Morob.

1693
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 2: If it's just one fight and then Morab has to

1694
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 2: beat one more or wait for it, that's not an issue.

1695
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 2: If it's a longer punishment after that as a way

1696
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 2: to send a message, or if you are doing dirty

1697
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 2: stuff of saying okay, do you want to fight for

1698
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 2: the title, you gotta go through Sterling first. Your old

1699
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 2: teammate like we no, this is ww we. They don't

1700
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,839
Speaker 2: have to do that, but wait because of the situation.

1701
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 2: One more fight to me at the end of the day,

1702
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 2: sometimes business is business, and I get that.

1703
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 1: Even if you let me listen, listen, here's my view

1704
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 1: on this. If in the end, Morob throws himself under

1705
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: the bus for reasons that don't make sense again, something

1706
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: like al Jo not even being offered it, Marob being

1707
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: first and then just saying no because he thought Aljo

1708
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: should have gotten it or something. Fine, now we can say, well, dude,

1709
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: this is unnecessarily self punitive. But let's get to that point.

1710
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: Let's get to the point where he's offered the fight

1711
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: and let's see what he does with it, and then

1712
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: we'll make a judgment call from there. Yeah.

1713
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 2: Also, let's get to the point let's roll another now,

1714
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I.

1715
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 1: Mean you don't know how it feels turn the rayo

1716
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 1: up right?

1717
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is, all right? Topic number five?

1718
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 2: How about this for boxing fights? How about this for

1719
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 2: getting very interested about what the future could bring. I

1720
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 2: was in La yesterday for the kid.

1721
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: We have the video, of course, but.

1722
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 2: I was in La La yesterday for the Canelo Charlo

1723
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 2: undercard press conference. We know how loaded this boxing calendar

1724
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 2: year is. But I ran into somebody, the great manuk

1725
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 2: Acopian of both the La Times and boxing scene, and look,

1726
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 2: he was fresh off his boxing scene duties of interviewing

1727
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 2: one Canelo Alvarez. So I want to just read a

1728
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 2: two couple points here before throwing on this video of

1729
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 2: why this whole thing matters one. According to reporting from

1730
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 2: Alan Dawson, formerly of Insider now working for Probox, TV

1731
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 2: twelve days or thirteen days ago. He wrote a story that,

1732
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 2: according to his reports, Errol Spence and Bud Crawford had

1733
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 2: thirty days after their July twenty ninth pay per view

1734
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 2: to activate the rematch clause. Yesterday was August twenty ninth.

1735
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,600
Speaker 2: There's your thirty days. As far as I'm concerned, I

1736
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,879
Speaker 2: don't think anybody has activated it. If that means Spence

1737
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 2: Crawford two will not be next, then do you have

1738
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 2: to remember after Bud Crawford beat Spence, there was a

1739
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 2: little bit of talk even on the show about me saying,

1740
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 2: I know Crawford said he doesn't think he can ever

1741
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 2: go up to sixty forget sixty eight, but I think

1742
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 2: he could be competitive against Canelo at sixty eight because

1743
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 2: he's that great. I said that. They asked Canelo about that,

1744
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 2: he said, forget it. I don't want to fight him

1745
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 2: at some small weight. You know you're never gonna give

1746
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 2: me credit. But then Bud Crawford went on the Joe

1747
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 2: Rogan experience. That's when he told Joe that he's actually

1748
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 2: willing to fight the winner of Canelo Charlow at one

1749
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty eight pounds for all four super middleweight belts.

1750
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 2: So our guy Minukee caught up with Canelo and asked

1751
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 2: him again his thoughts on that. Did the opinion change?

1752
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 2: Let's listen into this. Is this an intriguing matchup for

1753
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 2: your Are you serious?

1754
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 1: Could you seriously consider this fight if it's if it's

1755
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 1: there for the taking for you?

1756
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,839
Speaker 3: Look, we don't. I respect Grappo.

1757
01:24:56,040 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 5: He's a great fighter, and I always say that, no, no,

1758
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 5: disrespect him. But you know, sometimes it's it's a little

1759
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 5: crazy that people talking about I'm gonna face two a

1760
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 5: small fighter like Charlock he's big, which he is big,

1761
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 5: and they everybody is talking about if I'm gonna face

1762
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 5: Gravel fight at one forty seven, who is smaller than Charlot.

1763
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 3: So no, many says may not make makes.

1764
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 5: Sense when you guys say that right now, we I

1765
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 5: don't know understand, right because you're talking about I take

1766
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 5: CHARLOI his two way classes lower than me, and then

1767
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 5: you're talking about Craffl and then and and this and that.

1768
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I don't I don't

1769
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 3: want to have credit to face Gravel, right, So no

1770
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:02,640
Speaker 3: matter what, but you know, you never know, you never know.

1771
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 5: In Booksy'll up and down and fight everybody out there, So.

1772
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:12,879
Speaker 3: It's possible. Why not, it's possible.

1773
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 1: Why not? You're a business man, Canelo.

1774
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 2: I'm sure if it makes if it makes business sense,

1775
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 2: it makes sense.

1776
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 3: I'm down do it. I always I don't know, I

1777
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 3: don't care who is there. I'm always able to fight anybody.

1778
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 2: So look, I want to tee you up with this

1779
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 2: because I read this extended comments at length. So just

1780
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 2: if you didn't get that, Canelo previously was only against

1781
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 2: the idea of Crawford one because he didn't believe he

1782
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 2: can cut down and be effective below sixty eight two,

1783
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 2: because he says, you'd never give me any credit. And

1784
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 2: you have to respect Canelo still in the second half

1785
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 2: of his prime, trying to only make the biggest fights.

1786
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 2: It's why he wanted to rematch Bevoll another division higher,

1787
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 2: and we were like, dude, what about Benefitez, what about

1788
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 2: these other fights. He's basically saying that because Crawford's so good,

1789
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 2: because Crawford now isn't asking him to cut down in Wade,

1790
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 2: and because it appears the boxing public would really enjoy

1791
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 2: that fight and actually would give him credit if he won.

1792
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 2: Because Crawford although moving up three weight classes, which is incredible.

1793
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 2: If this would happen, He's finally going, look, if you

1794
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 2: want me to do that, and you guys would give

1795
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 2: me the credit, then maybe I also could move weight.

1796
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 2: He said that he told Minukey also would be willing

1797
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 2: to consider the idea of cutting back down in wait again, Luke.

1798
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 2: This coincides overnight with a tweet from Terrence Crawford that

1799
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 2: says Canelo versus Crawford is definitely, by far the biggest

1800
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:40,839
Speaker 2: fight in boxing? Is that true? And do you believe

1801
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 2: that we could see Terrence Crawford against the winner of

1802
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 2: the September thirtieth Canelo Charlie fight?

1803
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so is it the biggest fight in boxing? A

1804
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 1: Canelo versus Crawford fight? I don't know affirmatively, but when

1805
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 1: you think of any fight you could make in boxing,

1806
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 1: it's got to be, at worst in terms of its

1807
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: size top three. Right. Maybe there's maybe there's a Fury

1808
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 1: Joshua matchup scenario. Something else? Come on us. How many

1809
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 1: was that the commercial success that Fury Joshua would be?

1810
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, okay, but fine, fine, these

1811
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 1: are these are these are the ones we're talking about.

1812
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: Make no mistake, be see tell me if I'm wrong,

1813
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: and I want to finish my answer, but just tell

1814
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,599
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Canelo Crawford is in that space.

1815
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 2: It is if you did it at sixty eight for

1816
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 2: the undisputed title and Crawford moved up three weight divisions

1817
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 2: immediately after beating Spence on a one side of fashion,

1818
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:39,759
Speaker 2: this could be a monster fight because this is fucking extreme,

1819
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 2: daring to be great extreme dude.

1820
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: I fucking love this shit. Okay, Like I said, learned

1821
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 1: my lesson about Bud Crawford and the Spence fight. It

1822
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: would be very hard for me to pick against him

1823
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 1: ever again. I mean that's not quite true, but you know,

1824
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,600
Speaker 1: anytime soon it ain't happening, especially if he goes to

1825
01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: one fifty four whatever. I fucking love this idea. Nothing, dude,

1826
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, heading into Spence Crawford, Hey, we'll

1827
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 1: get a rematch out of this. He beat him so

1828
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: bad it's not even relevant. There's a conversation about what

1829
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 1: the future for Spence looks like at fifty four too,

1830
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 1: by the way, because obviously Charlow, his teammate, has got gouty.

1831
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: All the belts they are still but whatever, you know

1832
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 1: most of the belts anyway. But okay, so there's that,

1833
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: but forget that part. For Crawford to dare to be

1834
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:28,560
Speaker 1: this great with the momentum he's built, dude, here's what

1835
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: he did. He got a winning hand in this one

1836
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 1: in the most dramatic of ways. Like it's hard to

1837
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 1: imagine a scenario BC for Spence Crawford that could have

1838
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 1: gone better for Crawford than the way that it went. Yes,

1839
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 1: and he didn't cash out and say I'm done. He said,

1840
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 1: let me collect all these chips and push them right

1841
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 1: back in the middle. His popularity has never been bigger.

1842
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 1: People have never listened to his opinions more than they

1843
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 1: do now. They've never been more interested in him. He

1844
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 1: has already in some other factors at play, obviously, he

1845
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 1: has already begun to turn the tide before. It's like, oh,

1846
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 1: this is a silly ass thing, he said on the

1847
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan Show. Now even Canelo, who before dismissed it

1848
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 1: to the point you just made, has turned around. Dude.

1849
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 1: Let me say this showtime PBC. Whoever the fuck right

1850
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: If Canelo beats Charlo on September thirtieth.

1851
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 2: You have to make this fight.

1852
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 1: You have to make this fight. Who would say no,

1853
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 1: Who would say this is a stupid fight, We don't need.

1854
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 1: This is ridiculous, Charlo, excuse me. Crawford has no chance. Canelo.

1855
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,560
Speaker 1: You know this is a waste of his time. Canelo's

1856
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: not saying it's a waste of his time. We know

1857
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: it would be one of the biggest fights in boxing.

1858
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: It would be one of the most extreme boxing feats.

1859
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 1: And let's just put it on the record now. If

1860
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: Crawford actually gets this fight, and he actually beats Canelo

1861
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 1: at one sixty eight BC, my question back to you,

1862
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: if he does that, and these are bigofts, If he

1863
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 1: does that, does he earn a place in boxing's Mount

1864
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 1: Rushmore Because he's allow, he's already he's already a Hall

1865
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: of Famer. Those are givens. Now we're talking about the

1866
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 1: rarefied era.

1867
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 2: Okay, he's already a three division champion and the first

1868
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,719
Speaker 2: mail fighter to be four belt undisputed in two way classes.

1869
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 2: If he beat Canelo at sixty eight, moving up three

1870
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:25,799
Speaker 2: way classes to then become a three division undisputed champion,

1871
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 2: this would be a power move that I think would

1872
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 2: only be equalled had Roy Jones after beating John Ruiz

1873
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 2: for a heavyweight title, had he retired right there at

1874
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,719
Speaker 2: age thirty four, I believe he was and never fought again.

1875
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 2: You could have had an argument that Roy Jones at

1876
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 2: that point was better than Sugar Ray Robinson was the

1877
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 2: greatest of all time, right if we had never seen

1878
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 2: him get knocked cold and linger for too long. If

1879
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 2: Crawford makes this power move, here's why that's beautiful. Because

1880
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:56,600
Speaker 2: Crawford dominated Spence in the way that he did and

1881
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 2: took his standing as one of the greatest fighters of

1882
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 2: this era and then projected it out as hold on

1883
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 2: like the one of the greatest fighters of all time.

1884
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 2: Maybe the immediate response from boxing historians was, oh, crap,

1885
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 2: too bad. Crawford, if he really is this great, spent

1886
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 2: most of his career, especially at welterwait on the other

1887
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:16,680
Speaker 2: side of the street. For the record, Crawford tried to

1888
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 2: get Pacio in a fight for like five years. It

1889
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 2: just never got big enough where Patio was like, it's

1890
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 2: worth the risk, and they never did it. There were

1891
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 2: a lot of people saying, damn, too bad. Crawford spent

1892
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,759
Speaker 2: time all that time fight in washed up con and Brooke,

1893
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 2: because ability wise, he's showing you that he's Mayweather Pachio level,

1894
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 2: sugar Y Leonard level. He's showing you that he could

1895
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 2: be off of this one fight if you mix it

1896
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 2: with everything he's accomplished. But the only way right now

1897
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 2: for thirty five year old Terrence Crawford to double down

1898
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 2: on the chance to maximize his legacy would be to

1899
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,759
Speaker 2: do these type of things. The Canelo one at sixty

1900
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 2: eight is the ultimate. But even if he thought Jermel

1901
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 2: Charlow win or lose against Canelo to try to get

1902
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 2: another shot at an undisputed championship, this time at one

1903
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:03,720
Speaker 2: fifty four, it would still be in that direction we're

1904
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 2: talking about where Crawford just got the biggest win of

1905
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 2: his career. He's now getting his flowers. He's doing the

1906
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 2: world tour on every show, podcast and parade, and now

1907
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 2: it's sort of like, oh, crap, how great is he really?

1908
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 2: Is he really Sugar Ray Leonard Floyd Mayweather level? Is

1909
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 2: he really up there? Certainly looked at against Spence. If

1910
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 2: he does either of these power moves and beats Charloe

1911
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 2: at fifty four or or Canelo at sixty eight. Yeah,

1912
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 2: holy shit, Luke, we'd have to recal calibrate exactly where

1913
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 2: we would put him because this would be in this era,

1914
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 2: in this day and age of boxing. Stuff you just

1915
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 2: don't see stuff that, you know, Manny Pacio did winning

1916
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 2: titles in eight divisions and making huge leaves and Roy

1917
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 2: Jones as I mentioned, you know, winning a title at

1918
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 2: Turning Pro at one fifty four and then winning a

1919
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Speaker 2: title at heavyweight, or you know Tommy Hearns, Roberto Durant

1920
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 2: climbing up in wait constantly and being factors at these

1921
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 2: high divisions. It's all time historic shit. Terrence Crawford, if

1922
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 2: the Spencery met, which really isn't happening, Terrence Crawford has

1923
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 2: a very interesting decision on his next move. Does he

1924
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:07,679
Speaker 2: stay at Walter Welter Waite and welcome a boot Tennis

1925
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 2: and try to do a big fight there or is

1926
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 2: that too much risk given the opportunity to double down,

1927
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 2: or does he look at that Canelo Charlo fight and

1928
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 2: like I said, fight either one coming off of there.

1929
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 2: But if it is Canelo as you mentioned, and if

1930
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 2: the powers that be Showtime, PBC are all sitting around

1931
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:23,639
Speaker 2: talk about it, there's no way they wouldn't go forward

1932
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 2: with this if Crawford's really willing to go to sixty

1933
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 2: eight and do this and test his greatness. I mean, dude,

1934
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 2: Sugar Ray Leonard came back from retirement beat Marvin Hagler

1935
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 2: in that disputed decision to win the middleway title after

1936
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 2: moving up two way classes, and then in his next fight,

1937
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:39,640
Speaker 2: by the way, went up to one sixty eight to

1938
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:43,639
Speaker 2: fight Donnie Lalande for a super middleweight and light heavyweight

1939
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 2: title that was considered wild and daring to be great.

1940
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 2: This is on another level than that. Seriously, as great

1941
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 2: as Sugar Ray Leonard after beating Hagler and going up

1942
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 2: and fighting Lalande and getting up off the canvas and

1943
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:57,679
Speaker 2: putting it on him. As much as that was great,

1944
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 2: this is Canello we would be talking about, or even

1945
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 2: charlow As defending on disputed champion. Yeah, Crawford's got a

1946
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 2: short window here, Luke to do insane shit. And I

1947
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 2: think we also have to give Canelo credit for listening

1948
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 2: to the you know, to the facts available and going

1949
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 2: all right, you guys really want this, I'm down. Do

1950
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 2: you think there's a potential career reinvention late for Canelo

1951
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 2: to go down and wait rather than up and kind

1952
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:24,280
Speaker 2: of return to where he was at one fifty four

1953
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 2: on his initial rise. Slower than everybody, but great timing,

1954
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 2: great power, great IQ. I wonder if Canelo's now looking

1955
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:33,640
Speaker 2: at the landscape and going, yeah, I could go up

1956
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 2: against Bevall and be over my head. But what if

1957
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 2: I am able to cut back down to the sixty

1958
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 2: error area? Or or what if these guys are crazy

1959
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 2: enough to move up against me? Could we be seeing

1960
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 2: fighting guys like Crawford and Spencer catchways. I don't know.

1961
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:46,719
Speaker 2: It's an interesting new idea.

1962
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 1: The catchmap part is interesting because it removes the belts,

1963
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 1: so I don't know how that would go. But I'm

1964
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:53,760
Speaker 1: with you, like, do we saw Canelo one seventy five? Like, okay,

1965
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 1: bill ball is really really good, but you know it's

1966
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 1: too much, it's too much, Like there's a limit for

1967
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 1: everybody one sixty one sixty eight that area. Canelo obviously

1968
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,680
Speaker 1: is still the man so or pretty close to it,

1969
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 1: and I guess we have to see it sixty But

1970
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, listen, here's also why you need to say

1971
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,960
Speaker 1: if you're Canelo, because listen, does Canelo want to fight

1972
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 1: David Benavidez. You know, does he want to fight David Benavidez.

1973
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:17,600
Speaker 1: I have a feeling he probably doesn't because it's a

1974
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 1: tough ass fight and the reward is not going to

1975
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 1: be you know's It would be big if you beat him, obviously, but.

1976
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 2: He's not going to avoid it. He's just not going

1977
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 2: to go out of his way to do it.

1978
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 1: Right now, that's right, that's right. I think that's I

1979
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 1: think that's right. I mean, you know, there's a conversation

1980
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 1: about whether he should be fighting David Benavidez at this stage,

1981
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:34,560
Speaker 1: and you know he's fighting. He's not, so you know,

1982
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:36,640
Speaker 1: say what you want to say about it. This is

1983
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 1: a way for him to be like, Okay, well, if

1984
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 1: I'm not going to fight David Benavidez, who could I

1985
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 1: fight that with the public would be legitimately interested in

1986
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 1: in seeing me compete, even if it's this outrageous circumstance. Dude,

1987
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 1: it's Terrence Crawford. It's Terrence Crawford. That's the fucking guy.

1988
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 1: So you make that fight. It's not like the David

1989
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:56,600
Speaker 1: Benavidez conversation goes away, but it certainly gets put on

1990
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 1: the back Burner for a little while and again if

1991
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 1: Crawford wins that one. Dude, I mean, you're just talking

1992
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 1: about witnessing a moment in history that you may never

1993
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: witness again in combat sports like that. That's on the

1994
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 1: fucking table.

1995
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 2: And just to update what's going on at fifty four

1996
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:11,719
Speaker 2: because it may affect both Spence and Crawford moving forward.

1997
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 2: You have the Ford Belt champion Charlo fighting Canelo, but

1998
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 2: when they step into the ring, he has to give

1999
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 2: up one of those titles. Tim Zuo will then become

2000
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,719
Speaker 2: the full champion. It looks like tim Zu is rumored

2001
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 2: to potentially be defending against Brian Mendoza coming up Luke

2002
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:27,559
Speaker 2: in Australia, which is a very interesting fight. But yesterday

2003
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 2: at that undercard press conference, the co feature to Canelo,

2004
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 2: Charlo has an incredible special attraction at one fifty four,

2005
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,360
Speaker 2: hey Zeus Ramos Junior, the unbeaten twenty two year old

2006
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 2: slugger against Ericson Lubin. Both were saying when they were

2007
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 2: talking about what's at stake, they mentioned Spence's name as

2008
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 2: potential you know fights. So if Spence is going to

2009
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 2: kind of take his time and test the waters at

2010
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:48,960
Speaker 2: fifty four. There's a lot of fun fights coming, man,

2011
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 2: a lot of big time fun fights coming. All right,

2012
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 2: I think we can squeeze him in here if we

2013
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 2: go quick, Luke. We can close with the return of

2014
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 2: some fans submissions. Morning Combat at gmail dot com is

2015
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 2: the email home where you can send your b yes

2016
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 2: into us and we take the time to unwrap it

2017
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 2: piece by piece, painstakingly. It's called fan subs.

2018
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 1: Enjoy it. You've got mayo fuers.

2019
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:15,880
Speaker 2: Male viewers. Indeed, uh salwoul hitting us. Greetings from the

2020
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 2: Kentucky State Fair. My favorite thing about the fair is

2021
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,719
Speaker 2: the food. Started with a corn dog and cheese chili fries,

2022
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 2: then a large MNGO margarita and a huge bag of candy,

2023
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:28,639
Speaker 2: topped off with the fresh Arepa. A very attractive woman

2024
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 2: came up to me and told me she loves my shirt.

2025
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 2: I told my wife and she flat out didn't believe me. Unbelievable.

2026
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 2: I guess mk all day. Look, that's the real Salowul

2027
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 2: and he's a p one day one guy. You gotta

2028
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 2: give him that respect.

2029
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 1: Dude. Look at the guy in the back right there. Yeah,

2030
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:47,720
Speaker 1: he just he gave up a long time ago.

2031
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 3: He did.

2032
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:49,639
Speaker 1: He really did he did?

2033
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 2: But do you have love for Sewul? I know I

2034
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,600
Speaker 2: misidentified him as a Little Anthony at that time, but

2035
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 2: I blame Little Anthony for that. Do you do you

2036
01:38:56,200 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 2: love you some Salwol? He goes everywhere with us, Luke.

2037
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 1: Yes, he is the mascot. I know that's quite fair,

2038
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 1: but he certainly is a presence for the show.

2039
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:07,600
Speaker 2: Let's go over to Eric, the wife and I representing

2040
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:11,160
Speaker 2: MK at the Holloway Zombie Fight last night. Best part

2041
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 2: of the night. There were no WU boys the entire event,

2042
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:16,640
Speaker 2: and in honor of Luke's motherland. More to come in

2043
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 2: the future, as we'll be rocking MK on our travels

2044
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 2: throughout South America, on my upcoming sabbatical Columbia and bbl's

2045
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:27,679
Speaker 2: here we come. So Luke, that's Eric and his lovely

2046
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 2: lady in India, your your homeland and doing the tour

2047
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:34,120
Speaker 2: in Singapore. How about that represent an MK bitch?

2048
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:36,639
Speaker 1: So it's funny. Someone who was at the fight told

2049
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:38,879
Speaker 1: me that they saw a couple people with MK geiron

2050
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:42,680
Speaker 1: and they couldn't fucking believe it's And sure enough here they.

2051
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 2: Are shout out to this guy, Eric, love it. Let's

2052
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:48,639
Speaker 2: go to Ethany. Good day, Donks. I'm currently in transit

2053
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 2: from Sydney to Milan, roughly seventeen hours into a twenty

2054
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 2: four hour journey of straight traveling. We're currently transferring at

2055
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 2: Doha International Airport, so I thought there's no better place

2056
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 2: to catch up on the glorious return of Cutter's finest

2057
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 2: combat sports analysts. Welcome back, LT, and massive kudos to

2058
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:07,720
Speaker 2: Brian the Sauce Campbell on holding the fort down while

2059
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 2: Luke was away with his impressive tan in between bouts

2060
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 2: of diarrhea. Viva MK, it's Ethan. Thank you Ethan for

2061
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:15,720
Speaker 2: taking us.

2062
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:17,920
Speaker 1: Yes that is true.

2063
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 2: Yes, you've turned your back on that country too. Here's

2064
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 2: Alex when you're out on vacation and you see the

2065
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 2: Thomas family stroller? Would Tuky sit in that? Luke? You'd

2066
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 2: be okay with that?

2067
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 1: Right?

2068
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:30,240
Speaker 3: Oh?

2069
01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 1: Hell yeah? That is great? Are you Where would you

2070
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:36,360
Speaker 1: get something like that? I'd buy that ship. Well she's

2071
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:38,760
Speaker 1: too big for the stroller now, but you know, still.

2072
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, Not only do I have to take

2073
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 2: a massive p we got I got Rose right around

2074
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:42,760
Speaker 2: the corner.

2075
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 1: Well, they're just not making any photoshops anymore. They just

2076
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:46,360
Speaker 1: gave up on that.

2077
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 2: No, there's a bunch more, but we just ran out

2078
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:50,599
Speaker 2: of time. Okay, So for the great Mikey mor Miles,

2079
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:52,880
Speaker 2: CBS Sports behind us on the ones and too. Thank

2080
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:54,679
Speaker 2: you for tuning in. We'll be back with a bang

2081
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 2: on Friday. Okay, bet live from the studio in Jersey City.

2082
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Speaker 2: So much bonus content coming your way. Enjoy it. Thank

2083
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Speaker 2: you for tuning in. I gotta pee my pants, Luke,

2084
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 2: why don't you tell them where they can go?

2085
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2086
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2092
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