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Speaker 2: My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast
Speaker 2: is Joy. I talk to interest in people about what
Speaker 2: brings them happiness.
Speaker 1: Please welcome today an artist who is emerging as one
Speaker 1: of the most important, powerful young voices in her field.
Speaker 2: She's also well she's not Scottish, but she's Scottish.
Speaker 1: You'll see Bishop Breaks.
Speaker 2: What I'm fascinated by because you work under the name
Speaker 2: Bishop Breaks.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, and of course what many people.
Speaker 2: Outside of Scotland may not know as Bishop Brigs a
Speaker 2: little town school. It's very very close to where I
Speaker 2: grew up and I think I'm probably at the same
Speaker 2: age as your parents, right because I'm sixty one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Do I know them? Well?
Speaker 3: They said the name of when when I this is
Speaker 3: so like having parents that don't live in the US.
Speaker 3: But I sent them a message through WhatsApp, right about this,
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, he lives in starts with a P.
Speaker 4: He's from prison to prison, He's from prison.
Speaker 1: He's from Pleasant. No, no, I must stay away from
Speaker 1: him because he's he's telling you. I'm telling you, No,
Speaker 1: I was from I was from Springburn. Okay, so springs
Speaker 1: a P in there. There is second second letter.
Speaker 4: If you didn't get that from what I said.
Speaker 1: I did. Kind I knew where I was from even
Speaker 1: before you started talking, so it wasn't a big deal
Speaker 1: for me. Smart did you? You didn't grow up in Scotland.
Speaker 1: It's a shame because I think you've got a very
Speaker 1: Scottish accent. Do you go there a lot? Do your
Speaker 1: parents still take you there? Yeah?
Speaker 3: That's like where I grew up going and our whole
Speaker 3: my whole family still lives in Scotland and Meshop Briggs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but my mom and dad actually live in Hong Kong currently.
Speaker 3: Just to make things a little.
Speaker 1: Spicy, confusing, your parents sound very international? Yes, well I
Speaker 1: grew up very internationally. Is that what happened?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 3: So my I was born it's just going to get
Speaker 3: very confusing. But I was born in London and I
Speaker 3: when I was four moved to Japan, not my own
Speaker 3: that would be a too.
Speaker 4: It's strange.
Speaker 1: Well have you ever seen that thing in Japanese? Steve?
Speaker 1: Even they let four year old kids walk around? I know,
Speaker 1: is that beautiful?
Speaker 3: That is a great way to describe growing up there,
Speaker 3: I will say, really yeah, just so safe and like
Speaker 3: just amazing culture.
Speaker 1: And I didn't go to Japan until I was god,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like fifty years old or something, but
Speaker 1: trying to go into Japan when I was young, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have come back. I had to go, and that stayed.
Speaker 4: It's a dream.
Speaker 1: It's a wonderful place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so live there for six years and then Hong
Speaker 3: Kong eight years. So my mom and dad are still there.
Speaker 1: All right, what is it the why are they?
Speaker 4: What are they up to?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What are they spies?
Speaker 3: Well my dad is very charming and he does have
Speaker 3: a gold chain that he wears every day.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, but no, it was just your dad, your dad.
Speaker 3: It's so weird because you do look like everyone in
Speaker 3: my family.
Speaker 4: Yes, and that's why. And I think you'll understand this too.
Speaker 3: I think sometimes people are like, oh my gosh, you'll
Speaker 3: get along so well, like what a great connection, which
Speaker 3: is true. But you put them in this category of
Speaker 3: family very quickly. Yeah, so you overshare, which is perfect
Speaker 3: for today.
Speaker 1: Well, it's I'm not going to make you overshare. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to feed. Don't you don't feel guarded.
Speaker 3: You're not making me overshare. Your freckles are oh yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like the features are.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think when you get into your sexties, they're not
Speaker 2: freckles anymore. I think they're just like there's age, it's
Speaker 2: not freckle as a young person's game.
Speaker 1: And I think now it's just like liver spots and stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's bad. But listen, so you go by,
Speaker 1: you go to Scotland a lot. Then, yes, did you
Speaker 1: listen to Scottish artists? You have a very dramatic and
Speaker 1: big sound. As an artist, you're very intensely emotional. Your
Speaker 1: your music is very emotional and very powerful, and I
Speaker 1: wondered if there was any influence from Scotland in there.
Speaker 3: Well, I will say growing up in Japan, I mean
Speaker 3: there's influence from Scotland in the sense that my mum
Speaker 3: and dad were obsessed with music, right, and so we
Speaker 3: would go to karaoke bars, which at the time wasn't
Speaker 3: weird being in a bar at that age, But.
Speaker 1: No, I still think karaoke is okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And so that's where really where like I became obsessed
Speaker 3: with music and got really into motown music and yeah,
Speaker 3: and there was like this gospel choir teacher that appeared
Speaker 3: at my school.
Speaker 2: That makes sense with how you how you ended up
Speaker 2: as an artist or where you are right now is
Speaker 2: an urbist anyway, because you are very It's it's big.
Speaker 1: It's like it's almost religious the stuff you do, isn't it.
Speaker 3: So I played a show in Scotland. I want to
Speaker 3: remember the place, really small place, but it's so iconic,
Speaker 3: like every.
Speaker 1: There you go, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the place.
Speaker 3: Every like famous comedian has played there, yeah, everybody. But
Speaker 3: what I didn't know and my dad told me after
Speaker 3: because of course, you know, he came to the show,
Speaker 3: which I'm so glad for, was it's quite an infamous
Speaker 3: place where they will tell.
Speaker 4: You if they don't like you.
Speaker 1: At Glasgow, they will tell you sure.
Speaker 3: And just when you were asking if there was any
Speaker 3: influence from Scotland, I was performing this is like the
Speaker 3: first song and there's a little bit of a build up.
Speaker 3: I hear the crowd saying something, but I don't recognize
Speaker 3: what they're saying. It's not a lyric. It's sort of
Speaker 3: like in between each lyric and they're going.
Speaker 1: Here, we here, we here, we fucking.
Speaker 3: Gold obsessed and anyways, I will say that energy of
Speaker 3: like we're going to give our all, We're going to
Speaker 3: put it all on the table.
Speaker 4: We are super present that I really relate to in
Speaker 4: terms of music.
Speaker 2: I feel that that entry very a great description of
Speaker 2: the Scottish audience as well. I started out when I
Speaker 2: was doing stand up with Scottish audiences. And the thing
Speaker 2: is about it what you describe is perfectly accurate that
Speaker 2: it is. It's about how present they are. So it's
Speaker 2: not that they're tough, it's just that they won't let
Speaker 2: you get away with it. They're there, yes, and they
Speaker 2: will be participating in the show, so you better be
Speaker 2: as well. Yes, And I think that it's it's a
Speaker 2: fascinating place.
Speaker 1: I don't live there anymore. I live in Hong Kong.
Speaker 1: Where do you live now?
Speaker 4: I live in la.
Speaker 1: In Los Angeles?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what about you?
Speaker 2: I lived in Los ange Liz for twenty three years. Okay,
Speaker 2: have you had a place called New York.
Speaker 1: No, it's a little time in the East Coast. It's
Speaker 1: kind of a fishing village. It sounds interesting if you
Speaker 1: like the smell of weed and peepee when you walk
Speaker 1: around weed and peepee and peepee.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's actually what I felt when I hugged you.
Speaker 4: I said, oh, weed and peepee.
Speaker 1: Woh no, way, come on, I'm no longer your father.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have a daughter anymore. Peepe peep.
Speaker 1: First of all, I don't I smoked weed in years.
Speaker 4: Do you smoke weeds?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I've done it. Okay, I'll tell you something quick. Okay,
Speaker 3: you went to the dentist. It's a first mistake.
Speaker 4: Why don't go?
Speaker 1: Don't go? Law?
Speaker 4: Well yeah, same now Scottish.
Speaker 1: It's the kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Well, so I go to the dentist and they're like, okay, amazing.
Speaker 3: So how long have you been chained smoking?
Speaker 4: For yes?
Speaker 3: And I'm a vocalist, not that that excuses anything, but
Speaker 3: so I was never into cigarettes, never smoked weed. Like
Speaker 3: I was like, this is my thing, right, I need
Speaker 3: to protect my vocals. But it really is like British teeth.
Speaker 3: Scottish you know, it's a thing.
Speaker 1: You have a baby?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Was it? Actually you're pregnant, Yes, yeah, it's a pregnancy.
Speaker 4: You're kidding.
Speaker 1: No, it happened to my wife too, really yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: yeah yeah? When what was it? I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: something affects your teeth.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes some women and my wife she's not Scottish,
Speaker 2: but our background is Scottish.
Speaker 1: Like, yes, And when our youngest was born, she.
Speaker 2: Because she's got like American teeth, like you know, and
Speaker 2: she had to get like she had cavities for the
Speaker 2: first time and I had to get her wizen teeth
Speaker 2: out and.
Speaker 1: All that stuff. Okay, so it's the baby. It's nothing.
Speaker 1: It's not Scottish teeth. Okay, yeah, how about your baby?
Speaker 4: Needless, he's a year and a half.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, are you getting any sleep? No?
Speaker 3: No, Well, honestly, right at this exact moment, I'm not
Speaker 3: because do you know about this thing? Well, it's it's
Speaker 3: way too boring. I definitely don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 3: But it's the twenty month sleep regression. It's like this
Speaker 3: infamous thing.
Speaker 2: Is this anything sounds familiar? I didn't know there was
Speaker 2: a name for it. But I had two children that
Speaker 2: growing growing up. Well, the youngest one's thirteen, but they're
Speaker 2: still they're growing up.
Speaker 3: There was a reason I was going to bring up
Speaker 3: the teeth though it was related to something.
Speaker 1: Because your baby's teething, maybe is that what's happening. No,
Speaker 1: it was before for the child is chain smoking and weed,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I was so went there you go, father,
Speaker 1: But I still listened to you.
Speaker 3: But when he asked that, I instead of being like,
Speaker 3: oh no, like I don't do those things, I was like,
Speaker 3: I've smoked the weed three times in my life and
Speaker 3: so unnecessary. And you could see he was just like,
Speaker 3: I'm going to vomit, Like this is way too much information.
Speaker 3: But so I have done it three times in my
Speaker 3: life and I like three times. I cleaned my apartment
Speaker 3: during it, and it was very, very positive experience.
Speaker 1: I did no care for weed at all. I mean
Speaker 1: I took all the drugs, yeah, and the drink. I
Speaker 1: took it all. And I hated weed the most. Weed
Speaker 1: and speed were the two that I hated.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I want to know all. I want
Speaker 4: to know all your stories.
Speaker 1: I've never done drugs, you know what I think now,
Speaker 1: I think that is by far. Like when I was
Speaker 1: doing drugs, I haven't done drugs now going thirty two years.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, so I was younger than you are now
Speaker 1: when I quit, right, And there was no phananel when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, That's what I was going to say, right,
Speaker 1: so there wasn't like that so scary now, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like just you take it and you're dad, right. I
Speaker 1: think I would a I don't know if i'd have
Speaker 1: made it through that, right, because you can just you
Speaker 1: just take crap that's lying around.
Speaker 4: Terrifying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's awful.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad to hear you don't do drugs, me
Speaker 2: and your father and your mother because we've all been
Speaker 2: talking on.
Speaker 1: What's that exactly, know WhatsApp group you say that's coming
Speaker 1: in to find that they don't call you beshop?
Speaker 3: Do they know they call me Sarah because so my
Speaker 3: full name is Sara I McLaughlin.
Speaker 1: I knew that, which I can't use of course because.
Speaker 3: The beautiful there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was just like it wasn't really you are
Speaker 5: fucking Scottish girl. You've got a fucking attitude of a
Speaker 5: Scottish girl. You got way with nothing. I got away
Speaker 5: with nothing going home.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Right, So so you don't do the drugs and you.
Speaker 3: Don't do the drag because you said my mom and
Speaker 3: daughter are listening right, So yeah, never done.
Speaker 4: No, but I actually have. I haven't I had.
Speaker 2: I don't get that vibe from you would were you're
Speaker 2: drawing into music right away with you because you said
Speaker 2: like your parents were obsessed with music. Yes, people of
Speaker 2: especially Glaswegian specially Briggs of our generation me and your parents' generation.
Speaker 1: The music was everything, yes, everything. Yeah, it was all
Speaker 1: music all the time, and American music mostly.
Speaker 3: And the shows that my dad went to, like it
Speaker 3: was like, oh led Zeppelin came through. I'm like what,
Speaker 3: You're just incredible everybody right, yes, yes, that's where he went.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I saw Queen there like three times on the Sheer
Speaker 2: Heart Tack album, and I mean it's like it's like
Speaker 2: right at the beginning slash there, So I mean.
Speaker 4: It's there, you know, I mean it's I mean, if
Speaker 4: you that'd be crazy.
Speaker 1: I love to meet. We probably have, especially if he's
Speaker 1: charming with a gold chain. I bet you.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: Well, his nickname is Cheeky Charlie.
Speaker 1: Wait, Cheeky Charlie for Bishops. I'm pretty sure. I know,
Speaker 1: I might even know money.
Speaker 4: I know you're joking, but there's a part of it
Speaker 4: that feels real.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel real. This is what's freaking me the
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: But look, I bet ask your dad, like as your
Speaker 2: mom and dad did they go to Maestros. Maestross is
Speaker 2: another club they would have gone.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I bet you are saying things that
Speaker 3: are really ringing a bell because that's one of the
Speaker 3: places that they went to together.
Speaker 2: I performed there with an actor from Bishop Briggs. What, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know the actor of Peter Capaldi. Yes, Peters from
Speaker 2: Bishop Briggs.
Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: And I were in a band together when we were
Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen years old as a drummer. Peter was a
Speaker 2: singer Peers from Bishop Briggs and I'm from how I
Speaker 2: grew up in Common All but I'm from Springbourne and
Speaker 2: my mom used to work for his dad at the
Speaker 2: ice cream pa.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I know.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so we used to perform there. So I bet
Speaker 1: cheeky Charlie Bishop Briggs so has performing Oh yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Wow, it's really interesting too. Like I I was just
Speaker 3: listening to something on the way over. I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know why I can't revew am I not
Speaker 3: going to? What was it?
Speaker 1: That's cuzy, You've got it base.
Speaker 3: It's this very provocative, sort of fun podcast called the
Speaker 3: Canceled Podcast.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: They were talking about really finding their way with being
Speaker 3: on stage and and these two people, you know, they've
Speaker 3: kind of turned into moguls, but they really at their
Speaker 3: core are entertainers. You know, even if it's just them
Speaker 3: talking on a stage, you know, people are there, they're
Speaker 3: drawn in, right, And they were talking about different things
Speaker 3: that they did growing up, you know, even like eighteen
Speaker 3: onwards whatever, Right, different things they did to find what
Speaker 3: they liked to do. But it actually was all under
Speaker 3: the umbrella of entertaining, and some of it fell. Oh,
Speaker 3: I don't know why. I don't really like this feeling.
Speaker 3: And it's just interesting where your life took you and
Speaker 3: what you you know, you're on stage playing drums, right,
Speaker 3: but you do comedy, But do you do a talk show?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: It's like, but you find your thing as you go.
Speaker 3: You do.
Speaker 1: I think though that I I was talking to someone
Speaker 1: with this recent actually because I've never been able to
Speaker 1: find what I do. I don't really do I do.
Speaker 1: I do whatever I do, But basically I guess it
Speaker 1: goes back to stand up and really stand up. I
Speaker 1: think stand up is a musician's discipline. True stand ups.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about. There's a different type of stand
Speaker 2: up now. There's those short form like forty five second
Speaker 2: stuff or social media, and it's not any less valid.
Speaker 1: It's just a different thing, different thing. Yeah, But what
Speaker 1: I do is a kind of long form, live thing.
Speaker 1: That's what I do. Yes, and it has a I
Speaker 1: do it like a show and a lot of stand ups,
Speaker 1: you know, old timey stand ups that I'm friends with,
Speaker 1: Jay Leno or you know people who who do it
Speaker 1: like that. They think like musicians. Robin Williams always say
Speaker 1: that as well. It's like jazz.
Speaker 4: So it's just you know, it's just you got your
Speaker 4: improvis Did you watch his documentary?
Speaker 1: I did not, but oh it's so good. But we
Speaker 1: were we were friends.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well it's very inspiring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was very inspiring. Man. Were you interested
Speaker 1: in comedy at all?
Speaker 4: Comedy?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: No, well I didn't even think too.
Speaker 1: Well, it's I don't know if you grew up in Japan,
Speaker 1: it's not. Is it culturally a thing in Japan? Would
Speaker 1: you see it? You speak Japanese?
Speaker 3: Okay, So in Japan I just relied on cuteness, you know.
Speaker 3: That's how I got around. Cute, cute, so I didn't
Speaker 3: have to do anything. In Hong Kong, I learned Mandarin
Speaker 3: and Cantonese and studied French, so a bit all over
Speaker 3: the place. Oh, I think it's good what I was
Speaker 3: going to say though, And I wonder if you feel
Speaker 3: this too. It's very humbling when your whole family's from Scotland,
Speaker 3: because there's you don't actually think you're funny.
Speaker 4: Because everyone is.
Speaker 1: Everyone's funny.
Speaker 3: Everyone is funny and also like at times ten times funnier,
Speaker 3: and they're like, no, I work at the bakery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I'm impressed that you you I know exactly the
Speaker 3: area that you're from, right, and I'm impressed that you've
Speaker 3: still you know, went forward.
Speaker 1: You know, well, I just ran away. That's what it
Speaker 1: was a fuck because everything else was funnier but smart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, Lewis Capaldi, who's Peter's nephew. Everybody's related,
Speaker 1: like you're my daughter. I mean well my brother. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all. It's all. It's all part of the same
Speaker 1: five millions Scottish people, right, and that's enough though you
Speaker 1: don't want any more than that.
Speaker 4: That's not true.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's way more than enough. The Craig Ferguson Fancy
Speaker 1: Rascals Stand Up Tour continues throughout the United States in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. For a full list of dates and tickets,
Speaker 1: go to the Craig Ferguson show dot com slash tour.
Speaker 1: So you are there, listen. I want to talk to
Speaker 1: you about the music though, because your music is singular
Speaker 1: in the sense that it has a well I was
Speaker 1: talking about earlier. But the drama and the and the
Speaker 1: kind of the.
Speaker 2: Bigness of you as an artist that at thirty is
Speaker 2: quite that's where you are right at the thirty years old.
Speaker 1: It's huge. So what were you listening to when you
Speaker 1: were a teenager when you were coming through.
Speaker 4: I was listening to Aretha Franklin.
Speaker 1: Okay, edit, James, Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 4: Oh it is reading.
Speaker 3: Yes, But then there was the whole angle of like
Speaker 3: Queen Janis Joplin, so McJagger, you know, it's there was
Speaker 3: still that performative aspect.
Speaker 1: I've never seen you live. Are you very well?
Speaker 4: Did you have to come to a show?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to come to Well.
Speaker 3: I go crazy on stage, really, Oh yeah, I'm running
Speaker 3: non stop, jumping up and down like laying on the ground.
Speaker 4: I love it crazy.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I worked with Mike Jagger for a while.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were writing now this. Yeah, well, I've got
Speaker 2: to tell you this story because it's about performance. So
Speaker 2: we were writing a screenplay together for a movie that
Speaker 2: was never made. But during the Bridges to Babylon tour,
Speaker 2: I was on tour with Meg and we were writing
Speaker 2: during the day.
Speaker 1: Stop that's true. Stop. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the first time I met him, I was in
Speaker 2: Istanbul and he said, well, come to the Shadow and
Speaker 2: you can say the because I'm going it's just a shoow.
Speaker 1: But you get an idea for it down the front.
Speaker 1: And I was like all right.
Speaker 2: So I went to the show and I was down
Speaker 2: the front and jeez, I mean, what a performer. He
Speaker 2: really threw down and it was unbelievable. And then after
Speaker 2: I was talking to him, we went out for dinner
Speaker 2: stuff and I said, wow, you really threw down tonight.
Speaker 2: It was just a midweek show. Yes, and he said,
Speaker 2: it's always stayed with me, and I want you to
Speaker 2: always remember this. He always said, Now I never pied money.
Speaker 2: Is see someone who was shy. That is so good,
Speaker 2: that fucking great, And he's like because he's not, he's
Speaker 2: running around like crazy.
Speaker 1: When he's not on stage, he's an intelligent, thoughtful, clever
Speaker 1: human being. But when he's out there, oh my god. Yes.
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is a Scottish thing or
Speaker 3: if this is just a human thing, but I definitely
Speaker 3: or maybe just being creative, but I definitely always have
Speaker 3: that urgency to prove, you know, and even if like
Speaker 3: the proving it's not necessarily validation, it's like proving that
Speaker 3: like we are in sync, you know, like that we're
Speaker 3: having we're sharing a human experience, or like I'm I
Speaker 3: don't know something.
Speaker 1: No, I think you're right.
Speaker 2: I think it's an emotional desperation, right, I think it's
Speaker 2: an existential crisis.
Speaker 1: Actually it is. Well I don't get I mean.
Speaker 3: No, I'm laughing because I'm like, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: I think I think that describes it perfectly.
Speaker 2: Like the most alive I ever feel is like when
Speaker 2: you're on a stage doesn't matter. It can be a
Speaker 2: huge stage or it can be a tiny stage. But
Speaker 2: when when I'm in tune with the audience and when
Speaker 2: it's working, oh my god, and they're laughing, Oh I'm laughing,
Speaker 2: and it's and it's like and it's to say, I've
Speaker 2: talked to musicians about it. It's the same thing.
Speaker 1: You get into that area where information is coming in
Speaker 1: from not you, yes, yes, yes, something else is happening.
Speaker 4: I always feel that.
Speaker 2: Isn't that strange? Like I think athletes call it the
Speaker 2: zone and all that stuff. There's something weird about it.
Speaker 3: It's funny because I love a good athlete documentary. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I really feel like and which is crazy, but
Speaker 3: I do feel as though I can relate to that
Speaker 3: headspace of like, no matter what your day has been, right,
Speaker 3: you have to mentally put that to the side and
Speaker 3: you know, finally step into joy, especially with like you know,
Speaker 3: with what we're describing and.
Speaker 4: That shift you know, that focus, you know, and it has.
Speaker 2: Something beautiful because it because it's it's where you can
Speaker 2: be okay, yes, yes, you know when people say, how
Speaker 2: could he go on stage?
Speaker 1: When that terrible thing happens, you go I totally understand.
Speaker 1: Where else you going to fucking go right?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And it's like if you feel so bad, yes, uh,
Speaker 2: you know you have to do something. You've a tragedy
Speaker 2: in your life. I have a dragon, and it's like
Speaker 2: you do it with that. Yeah, and it's it's like
Speaker 2: you have to. It's relief.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: And the people that have gone to the show, not
Speaker 3: the people that are talking about it. The people that
Speaker 3: have gone to the show are like, oh, I'm so
Speaker 3: glad you did that. Like, I'm so glad we got
Speaker 3: to just have a moment take away there and like
Speaker 3: actually be better in society now. You know.
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with a comedian called Take nataro?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: It rings A.
Speaker 1: Bella is a great comedian.
Speaker 2: She's a really really proper, real stand up I've seen
Speaker 2: some little I may have probably online and stuff.
Speaker 1: She's very famous. Yeah, but take cancer diagnosis during the
Speaker 1: day one day and she went up. She's famous for this.
Speaker 1: She went up and did a show that night and
Speaker 1: talked about it that night. I mean, she's on the
Speaker 1: other side of it and stuff. She came very fair.
Speaker 1: It was a big moment for her in her career talking.
Speaker 1: But I totally understand why she did it. I totally
Speaker 1: get it. People, how could she do that? Like, I
Speaker 1: get why she did go forbid? I should ever have
Speaker 1: to do it like that, but right, but I get
Speaker 1: why she did.
Speaker 3: It and who was interesting. My husband is in music
Speaker 3: as well, and so we have these you know, certain
Speaker 3: days we both have writing sessions separately, and you know,
Speaker 3: where you work with a producer you work with, And
Speaker 3: there was one particular artist that he was supposed to
Speaker 3: write with for her project, right, and she canceled because
Speaker 3: of mental health that she was having tough mental health day, right,
Speaker 3: And we were talking about how if we like we're
Speaker 3: doing this because our mental.
Speaker 1: Health is so poor, right, every day is a total.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and so you know, I really felt for that
Speaker 3: artist just I want to say that straight away, but
Speaker 3: it was really interesting just the discussion that we both
Speaker 3: had after of like, like, it's actually as much as
Speaker 3: it's difficult to get up and go to said session,
Speaker 3: it's so healing once you're there.
Speaker 4: And I feel that way with stage as well.
Speaker 3: Yes, the build up to doing that is so difficult,
Speaker 3: and then when you're there, I feel such a sense
Speaker 3: of feeling understood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or I am where I'm meant to be in
Speaker 1: the universe. Yes. Are you a religious person?
Speaker 3: I would say I'm more spiritual, right yeah, okay, so
Speaker 3: you're not churchy, but you're God conscious in some way right. Well,
Speaker 3: you know, like it's very Scottish Irish Catholicism and it
Speaker 3: is the thing, you know, But I definitely have learned
Speaker 3: of other people's experiences and I'm like, okay, I did
Speaker 3: not experience that, you know where it it sort of
Speaker 3: there's a lot of guilt, like deep seated guilty.
Speaker 1: You probably escaped cheeky pusher breaks.
Speaker 3: And funny you say that because it really was all
Speaker 3: cheeky Charlie yeah, him.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Are you still close to your parents?
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course. I mean I thought them every day.
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fantastic. Yeah, they did tell me that. By
Speaker 1: the way, WhatsApp I do?
Speaker 4: I do?
Speaker 3: And by the way, my child, I'll show you a
Speaker 3: picture after but bright blue eyes, the rosiest, rosiest cheeks,
Speaker 3: and the palest.
Speaker 4: Skin, and I'm like, that's my uncle.
Speaker 1: Jah, both my boys. Really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it brings me so much joy because it's
Speaker 3: just like it just looks like you know who you
Speaker 3: grew up with you know.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about about your music. Then, did change
Speaker 1: when you became a parent?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think, hm hmm, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: There was so much that happened before I became a
Speaker 3: mom that almost like becoming a mom was like I
Speaker 3: can finally breathe, right, So I don't know, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was the thing that changed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and also it's it's also your kid
Speaker 1: is for a year and a half, year and a half.
Speaker 1: It's airly to know. I mean, these are big life shifts.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm curious your answer. First of all, okay,
Speaker 4: what's your answer to that?
Speaker 2: Well, what I became a parent. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 2: complete story for me. I became a different person. It
Speaker 2: was as significant in my life, but not in the
Speaker 2: first day. It wasn't like that day.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the two biggest shifts in my life were getting
Speaker 2: sober when I was twenty nine, and then when my
Speaker 2: first son was born when I was thirty eight, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I within about six months or something,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, it's different.
Speaker 4: It helps you prioritize.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you go from being the star in the
Speaker 2: movie of your own life to being an extra in
Speaker 2: a movie of somebody else's life. Yes, you're a supporting player, right,
Speaker 2: You're no longer cheeky Charlie. I know you know your
Speaker 2: bishop breaks is mom yead mom and dad.
Speaker 3: And there was something I was going to tell you
Speaker 3: there about what you're describing with Oh you know. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm curious if you feel this way too. But I
Speaker 3: found it affected my tolerance for any negative relationships in
Speaker 3: my life because now I felt like I was an example,
Speaker 3: you know, to to this little person where it was like,
Speaker 3: you're not. I also think I saw like a different
Speaker 3: softness in myself. Now I had a little bit more
Speaker 3: like kindness for myself. So when someone you know wasn't
Speaker 3: super kind to me, I'd be like, hey, like I'm
Speaker 3: a kind person. Like I now see myself as a mom.
Speaker 3: So I now have like a deeper understanding of what
Speaker 3: that all means, you know, I think.
Speaker 2: So I think it gets Look, it's not for everybody,
Speaker 2: you know, people that don't have kids and do fine.
Speaker 2: But I I don't know who I would be without
Speaker 2: I haven't experienced that. I don't know what it would be.
Speaker 2: Maybe i'd be something I didn't know. Here's my theory.
Speaker 2: Most great philosophers, yes, don't have kids.
Speaker 4: I know it's well that they know of.
Speaker 1: Well no, well I think they didn't. They weren't present. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they're because they always thinking about themselves. Okay, fuck
Speaker 1: yourself anything. Here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Have you ever been in a conversation with someone and
Speaker 3: they're like, I don't want to have kids and there's
Speaker 3: someone in the group that's like, oh my god, you
Speaker 3: would love it.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, they know themselves better than we do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they really do.
Speaker 3: I think it's so it's one thing if someone's like,
Speaker 3: there's there's a room in the conversation depending on what
Speaker 3: it is. Sure, but when someone tells me I don't
Speaker 3: want to have kids, I never saw that for myself.
Speaker 3: I'm like, absolutely, you do your thing. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 3: for everyone, no, but yeah, I definitely sense to shift
Speaker 3: with becoming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did it priority?
Speaker 2: I mean, if it didn't have any effect on your
Speaker 2: creative or you're not aware of it having an effect
Speaker 2: on your creatively, maybe yet.
Speaker 3: Well, because I feel that thing that you described of
Speaker 3: like it's an outer body experience. So it's hard for
Speaker 3: me to say, you know, in that realm what it affects.
Speaker 3: But I know that in the business side it affects priorities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my god, Well that's why I ended up doing
Speaker 2: a fucking late night show because I was getting divorced
Speaker 2: from my son's mom and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, I can't be out of town. I need
Speaker 1: a gig, which is in la I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 1: That's why I ended up doing the Fly. I never
Speaker 1: want to be a late What do I know about
Speaker 1: late night television? Fucking classicow? But I was here and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I need a gig.
Speaker 3: But it's interesting what your perspective is on that of
Speaker 3: like what am I doing here? It's funny because that's
Speaker 3: what connects it because then everyone can see a little
Speaker 3: bit of themselves in you.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: So here's my prediction for you. By the way, if
Speaker 1: it hasn't already.
Speaker 4: I didn't know you were.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, have you have you been asked to do
Speaker 1: a song for a James Bond movie?
Speaker 4: My god, that is my goal.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so obvious that you have to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. That is that is one hundred
Speaker 4: percent my goal.
Speaker 1: Really, yes, of course, of course I love that. I
Speaker 1: love that for you because it feels like like the
Speaker 1: big kind of Shirley Bassy. Yes, but my dad you
Speaker 1: still say chilly Bassie. Oh, it's the old woman. He
Speaker 1: loved Chili Bassie. I love Chili bass Oh my god, Goldfinger,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we did me a favorite. You covered that song?
Speaker 4: Yes, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's the start of everything. Well, if you are psychic,
Speaker 3: I should start with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what they're going to do
Speaker 2: with Bond because they killed them in the last one,
Speaker 2: so they're gonna.
Speaker 4: Have to see I have Well, I'm psychic as well.
Speaker 1: You were going to say that.
Speaker 3: I also have a prediction, which is I think that
Speaker 3: they should make a Bond movie that's just about the women,
Speaker 3: like they're the Obviously it's all about the women, you know,
Speaker 3: of course you see the movies. But I'm just saying
Speaker 3: they are really like leading the way. I could just
Speaker 3: see that happening.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I can see it happening too.
Speaker 4: I've been trying to write a song with that in mind, right,
Speaker 4: a song for.
Speaker 1: A Bond movie that hasn't yet been made. I fucking
Speaker 1: love that. Trying yeah, yeah, you'll do it.
Speaker 2: It's fine. Clearly you're qualified, it's fine. Are you very instrumental?
Speaker 3: Do you?
Speaker 1: What do you work on? What do you write?
Speaker 3: I play piano, right, yeah, but it's very sad charts.
Speaker 3: There isn't a lot of happy court.
Speaker 1: The black Keys. Oh yeah, you got to use the
Speaker 1: black keys because the way keys of the black Ones are. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do a little minor, yeah, a little minor
Speaker 4: walk down.
Speaker 1: You ever aware of a Glaswegian artist called Alex Harvey?
Speaker 4: Yes, right, oh my god, yes, wow. You're saying so many.
Speaker 2: People that I tell you of Alex Harvey. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's true, but I heard this from somebody
Speaker 2: that worked with the band. Alex died years and years ago.
Speaker 2: He was a drinker and stuff. But the Sensational Alex
Speaker 2: Harvey band wanted to do an album without him. So
Speaker 2: his band wanted to do an album without him and
Speaker 2: call it sab Cessational Alex Harvey Band without Alex. And
Speaker 2: and they went to him and they said can we
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 1: And he said, I you can on one condition And
Speaker 1: they said, they said, you don't use the chord e.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's true, but that is great.
Speaker 2: Wow, But the legacy of musicians from that part of
Speaker 2: the world's fascinated by musicians like bands like Mogai. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's crazy the influence of you familiar with Roddy Frame.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, this is so crazy.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're just you're naming all the people that
Speaker 3: you know, I grew up in my like were in
Speaker 3: my home, you know, because of my.
Speaker 1: Dad, right, because your dad and I have the same agent, right.
Speaker 3: And weirdly went to the same shows. Well, that's that's crazy, right,
Speaker 3: It's still well, okay, here's the thing. Part of my
Speaker 3: freak out, just for anyone that's listening, also is like
Speaker 3: the craziness.
Speaker 1: Of being in l a right, you know.
Speaker 3: And and also you know, Okay, here's the thing. There's
Speaker 3: this do you know what my gym is? It's like
Speaker 3: little toddler classes. I've spent so much, so many, so long,
Speaker 3: so long. Anyways, there is this woman in there and
Speaker 3: she has a thick Irish accent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know the gym you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been there when my youngest was young.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Okay, Yeah, She's never going to come
Speaker 3: up to me and say I think you're from Donegal.
Speaker 3: I think some of your family's from Donegal, and so
Speaker 3: it can be. And by the way, I insert myself
Speaker 3: in those situations, you know, if it's you know, the
Speaker 3: right timing or whatever, where I'll be like, whereabouts are
Speaker 3: you from? And I try and find that connection, you know, elsewhere.
Speaker 3: But it's such a holding card to have an accent
Speaker 3: which I don't have, right, you know, to feel connected
Speaker 3: to others and for them to hear your voice across
Speaker 3: the room and be like, hey are you from? Like
Speaker 3: when my mom, My mom is literally a celebrity when
Speaker 3: she's when she's in La.
Speaker 4: Right oh at the Ralphs. Yeah, we love Moira, Oh
Speaker 4: we love My.
Speaker 2: Parents used to come in there going now. But when
Speaker 2: they were here, oh, it was all like that, like
Speaker 2: La became a different place. Yes, you know Wu Tang clan. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, snow. Rizza from Wutan. So we did this
Speaker 2: bit on the Late Night show years and years ago.
Speaker 2: My mom to visit and Rizza was on the show
Speaker 2: and I said to Rizza, we this comedy, but like,
Speaker 2: just take my mom out shore La film in the
Speaker 2: car and He's like sure. So Rizza went out and
Speaker 2: he took my mom to Roscoe's Chicken and waffles. It's
Speaker 2: like this real scene, right, it's a scene and uh.
Speaker 1: But the thing is risen and my mom got on
Speaker 1: really well, and so they kind of kept in touch.
Speaker 1: And my mom my mom. My mom said to me
Speaker 1: a couple of years later, she said, hey, son, tea
Speaker 1: in the park is happening. I was like, uh huh,
Speaker 1: he says a big it's a big rock festival. Mom.
Speaker 1: She went, yeah, well, I've just noticed on the listings
Speaker 1: that Wu Tang are coming. I went, yeah, Wood Tang.
Speaker 1: I probably went well. I was thinking I might get
Speaker 1: in touch with Rizza because I was going to take
Speaker 1: I was going to take the ladies from my fright,
Speaker 1: it's care to see Wu Tang. I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, Mom, I'm.
Speaker 3: Not yeah, and we say I'm not sure, and then
Speaker 3: they write directly and then yeah, we got.
Speaker 2: I think if it would happen now that she would
Speaker 2: have gone, but social media wasn't quite where it was then,
Speaker 2: or she would have just they would have gone touch
Speaker 2: and done it.
Speaker 1: Because he's a great guy. He's a lovely man. So
Speaker 1: I love the idea of my mom.
Speaker 4: And do you have that other band?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said a lot of different projects.
Speaker 3: Okay, because I think I performed with him at Coachella.
Speaker 3: I came out as a guest and I sang the
Speaker 3: Florence and the Machine part. Oh my god, if this
Speaker 3: is ringing a bell for me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm with that musically literate enough to.
Speaker 4: But and he was the nicest person in the entire world.
Speaker 2: Well that sounds like, yeah, so much charisma, very charismatic.
Speaker 2: It doesn't shy away from marijuana as much as you
Speaker 2: and I do.
Speaker 4: Marijuana pep.
Speaker 1: I don't know about the pepe, but you can't sell
Speaker 1: the pep over the under the marijuana. But I think
Speaker 1: that it's fascinating to me because you have a very
Speaker 1: odd story. So you grew up in Hong Kong, yes,
Speaker 1: and then how do you end up here? Well?
Speaker 3: I just thought, la is you know where I thought
Speaker 3: I was going to come down the escalator at LAX. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would say, who is that amazing vocalist over there?
Speaker 1: Right that?
Speaker 3: And and if you could see what I looked like
Speaker 3: a you know, not that it matters, but if you
Speaker 3: could have seen what that person looked like, yeah, twenty
Speaker 3: ten me, Yeah, it was, it was.
Speaker 4: It was a look. It was definitely a look.
Speaker 3: And yeah, but so that's why I came here as
Speaker 3: it should be, as it should be. I mean, you're
Speaker 3: trying to make an impression.
Speaker 1: You were what twenty No.
Speaker 4: I was seventeen and a half.
Speaker 1: Seventeen and a half. Yeah, Charlie must have been his
Speaker 1: fucking skin.
Speaker 3: Oh he was. And but my sister was going to
Speaker 3: school here, so she was two years older than me, right,
Speaker 3: so that I had someone.
Speaker 1: Here right now? Okay, yeah, oh okay, that's that's a
Speaker 1: story then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that made a big difference. Economics major, just
Speaker 4: like me. No, I'm joking. No, I went to school
Speaker 4: in Hollywood Boulevard.
Speaker 1: Did you. Yes, musicians Institute really.
Speaker 4: Yes, we're all acclaimed.
Speaker 1: So you're right on the piano. Yes, do you play
Speaker 1: only the piano? Yeah, you play the guitar?
Speaker 4: No, Well, I took classic guitar, but it was it
Speaker 4: was not for me really, yes.
Speaker 1: Why now, why would an instrument not be for you?
Speaker 3: Well, this, in particular was because I was socializing too
Speaker 3: much in the class. Unfortunately, it was unfortunate.
Speaker 1: And that that has nothing to do with the guitar.
Speaker 4: That's I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That's why I said it very softly, like, oh, it
Speaker 3: wasn't for me, you know, like nothing to the guitar,
Speaker 3: but also there is it is a totally different thing
Speaker 3: to learn.
Speaker 4: Oh sure, yeah, what do you play everything?
Speaker 1: Drums?
Speaker 2: I play a little guitar, but I'm bad at it.
Speaker 2: I'm so bad at it. I don't I Don'm not
Speaker 2: good enough at it to allow myself to let anyone
Speaker 2: hear at it.
Speaker 1: But I can. I can drum a bit. I'm all right.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, and that's okay. Do you know
Speaker 1: Katie Tunstall? Oh, my god, of course, just like my
Speaker 1: like one of my bad friends. You know her?
Speaker 3: Know her?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my god, you never met her. No, she's
Speaker 1: the greatest.
Speaker 3: She started, she started the entire movement of of everything
Speaker 3: I know, truly, even doing the loop pedal. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She's amazing. Yeah, I know. I mean she's like it's
Speaker 1: like it's like one old one man band with the
Speaker 1: guy with the symbols on his knees and it's like
Speaker 1: the bass drum on his back, and she's unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is.
Speaker 3: By the way, do you feel that you attract musicians
Speaker 3: in your life, because like, at your core you are
Speaker 3: a musician.
Speaker 1: I think like a musician, and I toured like a musician,
Speaker 1: and you know, and you met Tomas who works Tomass
Speaker 1: Like when he's not working with me, he works with
Speaker 1: Dinosaur Junr. You know what I mean, He's Yeah, I
Speaker 1: my world. I'm more comfortable like that, right because as
Speaker 1: corporate as the world is, yes, and particularly in music, has.
Speaker 2: A terrible corporation kind of infestation at the music business.
Speaker 2: But it's core the actual performers are still many of
Speaker 2: them are still pure in the sense of that they
Speaker 2: have the kind of that I want to say, rock
Speaker 2: and roll because but you know what I mean, that
Speaker 2: kind of like iconoclastic kind of fuck you attitude. Yes,
Speaker 2: that I think is that's a clutch mechanism that exists
Speaker 2: between us and them, right, And because I think the corporation,
Speaker 2: like what I was doing late night, I love to
Speaker 2: do the show, yeah, but dealing with fucking television executives,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, yes.
Speaker 1: It gets old. And in your business.
Speaker 2: I think it might be changing about though, with social media,
Speaker 2: is it where you guys can get directly to your
Speaker 2: audience again or not?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I kind of wonder. Yeah, I'm interested
Speaker 4: to know how much late Night.
Speaker 3: I mean, it feels like late night isn't evolving at
Speaker 3: the same pace as other things, because I just think
Speaker 3: if you did a little you know, selfie video to
Speaker 3: TikTok saying like an example of what one of your
Speaker 3: jokes was going to be for you know, the opening
Speaker 3: monologue or something, and it did really well, this is
Speaker 3: the equivalent of with music, that little clip did really well. Right,
Speaker 3: then you just show it to the TV execs, right,
Speaker 3: and they say, oh, of course you can use that joke.
Speaker 3: Look how well it did. There's like proof of concept.
Speaker 3: But I just wonder what it would be now.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it would be.
Speaker 2: I mean with with executives, it wasn't so much the
Speaker 2: joke by joke thing or note by note thing. It
Speaker 2: was more it was more about the general kind of vibe, like,
Speaker 2: you know, don't be too much like this, don't be
Speaker 2: too much like that, don't say too much like this,
Speaker 2: don't don't go there.
Speaker 4: You know, And I think I could imagine it to
Speaker 4: be very isolating.
Speaker 1: It's the worst you gotta be careful of that.
Speaker 2: The more successfully become because you got some big fucking
Speaker 2: shit in front of you. You should be very careful
Speaker 2: because success is I've looked, I've had some myself, and
Speaker 2: I've seen others get it, and it's extremely dangerous.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, this is sort of a very specific story,
Speaker 3: but I had I tried this this new therapist, and
Speaker 3: I had sort of taken a break from therapy being pregnanty,
Speaker 3: you know, all this stuff. And so I tried this
Speaker 3: new therapist and I'm sharing, you know, the worst periods
Speaker 3: of life, you know, and that's what I'm sharing. She goes,
Speaker 3: you just seem very comfortable, and I was like, oh, good,
Speaker 3: you know, wait whatever. Then she goes, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: there's just you just yeah, you're quite charming something like that. Okay,
Speaker 3: And I realized as the conversation is going, and I've
Speaker 3: by the way, and I feel like I can imagine
Speaker 3: you doing this too. I have worked really hard to,
Speaker 3: especially if I'm in a therapy situation or something where
Speaker 3: I'm seeking help, to really undo any performative things. I'm
Speaker 3: not there to be funny, I'm not there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so I was really, you know, not not in
Speaker 3: that space. But I realized as it was progressing, and
Speaker 3: that was really what she was taking out. She couldn't
Speaker 3: stop that, you know, like that commentary, and I realized
Speaker 3: that's why so many comedians, that's why so many people
Speaker 3: that are in entertainment. They start to feel so isolated
Speaker 3: because now I'm in a situation where I'm letting her down.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm being a bummer. Now, you know, if
Speaker 3: I really lean it, she she's really being entertained. And
Speaker 3: now I'm gonna I'm gonna, you know, be such a bummer.
Speaker 3: So now I feel like I can't share. And then
Speaker 3: there's something with you know, maybe they find out what
Speaker 3: you do and they don't have a full awareness or
Speaker 3: scope of what that means, so then it seems very glittery.
Speaker 3: Then it's very exciting. Yeah, and so now okay, I'll
Speaker 3: tell you something. Halfway through, she goes.
Speaker 4: Does that?
Speaker 3: She goes, is it a guy that you worked with?
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, she goes, I was just
Speaker 3: wondering if it was another one of my clients. Then
Speaker 3: you're but I left feeling so isolated because it was
Speaker 3: like the pain isn't a loud And then also by
Speaker 3: the way, when they are like, wow, that's so cool
Speaker 3: that you did X, Y, and Z, then you're like
Speaker 3: absolutely like, I'm so grateful for that.
Speaker 4: That's you know, it's not that I'm not you know,
Speaker 4: And then you're does that make any sense?
Speaker 1: Of course it does. Okay, I'll shoot I'll tell you
Speaker 1: an exact example. When I knew that I was going
Speaker 1: to leave late night television in my heart, here's what
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 4: Tell me.
Speaker 2: I was walking in the building. I was about halfway
Speaker 2: through the run. I was about five years in, and
Speaker 2: I you know, I walk by, as I did every day.
Speaker 2: You get your parking space, and you walk in. There's
Speaker 2: my name's and big layers there, and I walk in,
Speaker 2: and my pictures everywhere, my picture everywhere with really famous
Speaker 2: people in the world. Yeah, my pictures everywhere, and my
Speaker 2: name's on all the stationary and and everybody I meet,
Speaker 2: some people are actually wearing jackets and stuff with my
Speaker 2: name on their jackets. And yeah, and everybody I meet,
Speaker 2: about one hundred and fifty people that work there. Everybody
Speaker 2: I run into, all they want to do is make
Speaker 2: sure I'm okay mmm. And that's not right, right, that's
Speaker 2: not fucking right. I Mean, it sounds like it'd be fun,
Speaker 2: but it's.
Speaker 3: Weird because and if you're not, then you've now ruined
Speaker 3: their day. They're very stressed trying to sort it.
Speaker 2: They're trying to figure it out. Of course, it may
Speaker 2: not be any to do with them. Like you come
Speaker 2: in like you you get indigestion, and they're like, God,
Speaker 2: he's on the war path, you know, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: not in the war. I have to go to the bathroom,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: I mean it's like, well, because you're you're always on,
Speaker 3: which I think is what messes with your brain.
Speaker 2: That's why I think you have to That's why I'm
Speaker 2: very grateful to my children because all the ways through
Speaker 2: late night, my children were young, and so they just they.
Speaker 1: Balanced all of that right right anywhere. Yes, it was
Speaker 1: like sho Showbaz.
Speaker 2: And then we finished filming at six o'clock and I
Speaker 2: was home changing diapers by half past six.
Speaker 3: Do you when you speak to other people that were
Speaker 3: also late night hosts, don't really.
Speaker 1: It's not a community.
Speaker 4: It's not like a you know, there's only like a handful.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: Jamie Kimmel said that to me once, he said we
Speaker 1: should get together. There's so few of us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, but do they share the same experience
Speaker 4: that you?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I've talked to I remember when Seth Myers
Speaker 2: was starting, he said he called me because it's kind
Speaker 2: of the thing you do as you call around and
Speaker 2: I was congratulating them and stuff, and I said, you'll
Speaker 2: go crazy and he said, no, I won't go crazy.
Speaker 2: And then I did his show a few years later
Speaker 2: and I said, have you gone crazy yet? And he
Speaker 2: hadn't and I don't And I don't think he has
Speaker 2: gone crazy yet, So maybe maybe it was me.
Speaker 3: No. I think it also depends on how much is
Speaker 3: being micromanaged too. Yeah, you know, when they're like, you
Speaker 3: have to ask this specific question this, I don't know,
Speaker 3: just it takes out any the formality of it takes
Speaker 3: turns into like a robot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. I mean Lenno and I have friends
Speaker 1: and he's, uh, but what's his history Scottish mother?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, dam up?
Speaker 1: Yeah. In the stand up mother, oh my god, you
Speaker 1: said you're you do you have relations in Donegall?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's my dad's side of the family.
Speaker 1: Like Grannie MacGuire was from Donegal. I bet we really,
Speaker 1: we really bet you we are McGuire maguire maguire from
Speaker 1: from Donegall.
Speaker 4: Macy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by McGuire from Donegall, she married my grandfather.
Speaker 4: Yeah wow, that's okay, we'll have to do something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then the north end of Glasgow with all
Speaker 1: that Irish Donegall yeah probably yeah, wow, Yeah that's weird.
Speaker 4: That is weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Beesy McGuire married a Protestant so they stopped.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, which was a big deal.
Speaker 4: That's a very big deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was raised I mean yeah, but I
Speaker 1: was yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what's your connection to faith? Just because you
Speaker 3: asked me, I'm just curious.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's uh, I'm very are you familiar
Speaker 1: with Saint Augustine, you know when he said trying to
Speaker 1: understand the mind of God is like trying to pour
Speaker 1: the ocean into a cup. Wow. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: that I really connect to that.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think it's such a loaded question.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's when I meet atheists and very intelligent people, some
Speaker 2: of them many, and they have this kind of unshakable
Speaker 2: I know thing, and I'm like, it seems very fundamental
Speaker 2: a stance for such an intelligent questioning person, right. I
Speaker 2: remember having a conversation with Stephen Fry about it, and
Speaker 2: Stephen said, because Stephen's an atheist, and I said.
Speaker 4: Do you see casual you having a conversation with him?
Speaker 1: But will be and Stephen and Jicky Charlie Briggs were
Speaker 1: all at the same age. I haven't known Stein for
Speaker 1: a long time. And he said, when people say do
Speaker 1: you believe in God, it's really you've got to define
Speaker 1: the word God before you start, yes, asking that question.
Speaker 1: I mean, is it's such a big giant thing. Yes.
Speaker 4: Also, I mean.
Speaker 1: No, I don't buy that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know how far into this we go, but
Speaker 3: I will say so I've I've been an alan on
Speaker 3: you know for many many years, and my partner is
Speaker 3: openly sober and and so like that community is very
Speaker 3: and I'm not a drinker, right, So that is all
Speaker 3: at the forefront. I wouldn't say sober just because I
Speaker 3: know what he does and it feels different from what
Speaker 3: I'm doing. But regardless, and one of the biggest first
Speaker 3: things they say is like, have the idea of God
Speaker 3: be whatever?
Speaker 1: What does you understand it?
Speaker 3: There we go, Yeah, absolutely, And that was really freeing
Speaker 3: for him with his history with religion, and you know,
Speaker 3: and I think it was.
Speaker 1: Really hear.
Speaker 2: It was all that goddam God thing. But I get sober.
Speaker 2: I get sober in London, but very early on I
Speaker 2: went to Glasgow because I had to kind of repair myself.
Speaker 2: And I'm in meetings with people who were members of
Speaker 2: the Coenist Party. There's they're atheists, right, you know, but
Speaker 2: they're but they're sober. So there is a there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't it doesn't frighten me away all
Speaker 1: that the idea of God.
Speaker 4: But I also think that's something that the program helps with.
Speaker 3: Is like it it's an undoing and like it's it's
Speaker 3: a very I will say for like our relationship and
Speaker 3: our lives, Like our life is the definition of like
Speaker 3: the gift that sobriety can give you.
Speaker 1: And so with that mine too. Yeah, nothing in my
Speaker 1: life before sobriety. So yeah, nothing, Yes, there's nothing before.
Speaker 1: It's nothing. It's like it's like the world before Little Richard.
Speaker 1: There's nothing. Yes, you know.
Speaker 4: Did you watch the podcast about Little Richard?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, you need to fucking love a little Richard.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well there's a lot going on.
Speaker 1: Really was he a bad boy?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: He was missing and some people you did.
Speaker 1: He was on the old late night show.
Speaker 4: Oh you know what, they used clips from your show.
Speaker 1: I look forward to the check. Yeah, it was amazing.
Speaker 3: Yes, well yeah they show you saying that oh really yeah,
Speaker 3: as in showing his brightness and incredible you know, energy,
Speaker 3: and yeah, just making sure he's okay. It was like
Speaker 3: the summary of the podcast. But it's very very good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 4: I don't know the name, it's just oh, it's so good. Yeah,
Speaker 4: look it up, I can talk.
Speaker 2: Will you come back and do another episode because I
Speaker 2: feel like we've only scratched the surface.
Speaker 4: I would love that.
Speaker 1: And we've been talking for by an hour. They're waving
Speaker 1: at me from the booth.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, literally it's felt like ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah I know. Yeah, but so let's do it again
Speaker 1: and give your mom and dad my best Moira and
Speaker 1: Chazz and Chazz fucking bad. I know them. We'll definitely know,
Speaker 1: we'll definitely know.
Speaker 4: Every time you say I bet I know them, your
Speaker 4: accent gets thicker.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I'm excited about it. Did you did
Speaker 2: your parents accents changed when they moved? Because that gets
Speaker 2: such a fucking hard time from people in Scotland about
Speaker 2: my accent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they would they had to slow down the way
Speaker 3: they were talking, right, Yeah, especially if they were excited.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, if my dad's telling you a joke,
Speaker 4: Oh it's over.
Speaker 1: Which for me that's difficult in my line of work.
Speaker 1: But all right, look we'll do this again.
Speaker 2: We will you in the meantime, will write the Bond thing, right,
Speaker 2: write the Bond song, because you're clearly.
Speaker 1: Destined to do that. Thank you. I would love that,
Speaker 1: and it's it's been an absolute joy of me.
Speaker 4: Thank you too.
Speaker 1: No