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Speaker 1: Welcome to Week three of the NFL. This is the

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Speaker 1: twenty in the Huddle podcast, Week three already.

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Speaker 3: I know, man, it feels like it takes forever to

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Speaker 3: get here and then over.

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Speaker 1: He is Justin Rodgers, formerly of the Detroit News, now

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Speaker 1: of the Detroit Football Network. Correct. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about that for just a second, real quick, before we

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Speaker 1: get into our three keys to the game. But look,

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Speaker 1: you covered this team for the Detroit News for a

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Speaker 1: live before that. You know, thought you were you know,

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Speaker 1: for that, just kind of what went went into that thought.

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Speaker 1: And how's it going for you so far?

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Speaker 3: I had I think modest goals to start. UH had

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Speaker 1: And you're your own boss, which is the great part

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Speaker 1: My boss is a jerk, all right. Well, it's doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad it's doing great. It's another terrific resource for

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Speaker 1: three keys first off, because obviously one in one, this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you look at this team. They were one of

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Speaker 1: I think the Detroit's got to do much better in

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Speaker 3: You gotta find ways to hit the middle of the field.

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Speaker 3: Those Texas routes were unstoppable.

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Speaker 3: You want to get him the ball going forward upfield,

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Speaker 1: Heading into this game. Cardinals twenty second in red zone

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Speaker 3: I think this is an area where the Lions' scheme

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Speaker 1: That's the key. When you extend. Now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: this is a Cardinals offense that's humming right now. Sixty

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Speaker 1: Don't let Kyler ruin it for you.

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Speaker 3: Prototypical frame right six three, two hundred and change. Elite athleticism,

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Speaker 3: And it resulted in a I don't know how many

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Speaker 1: And I thought it was really mature by him to

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Speaker 3: What have you thought of the rookie that I was

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Speaker 3: young cornerbacks have to learn that you have to play

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Speaker 3: I think he's got the mentality. I think he's got

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Speaker 3: You need to see it, you need to process it,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's no worry with this football team

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Speaker 1: Yeah, two other big ones for me. It'll be fun

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Speaker 3: I think Buddha Baker's what you hope he becomes right,

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Speaker 1: So it'll be a fun one, first one on the

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Speaker 1: You know, this is a team that kind of likes

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the twenty Mahaddle Podcast presented by Microsoft.

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Speaker 1: I am very happy to welcome in a man who

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Speaker 1: has been described as one of the best defensive line coaches.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into football, we've got to talk about

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Speaker 1: Taj your son quite the hockey player. I know that's

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Speaker 1: close to my heart because my son grew up in

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Speaker 1: Detroit playing travel hockey, now plays varsity for Bloomfield Hills.

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Speaker 1: But how is he doing so far?

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Speaker 2: I don't like it up here.

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Speaker 1: I know that was part of the reason you guys

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Speaker 1: kind of came out, a huge part.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's playing playing for Compyware good. Yeah, doing playing

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Speaker 2: Triple A hockey there and doing doing a great job.

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Speaker 2: And you know now he's also playing football and hockey,

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Speaker 2: which we couldn't keep them away from football, but hockey

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Speaker 2: is his love. And he's playing defenseman and he's checking

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Speaker 2: guys when he's not supposed to check. At twelve.

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Speaker 1: That's also he's there hitting. Is it this year and next.

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Speaker 2: Year they sat at thirteen? Yeah, they're still a year away, but.

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Speaker 1: This is the year that's important. They'll start coaching it now,

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Speaker 1: you'll practice it because you've got to it can't just

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Speaker 1: be that hard adjustment.

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Speaker 2: Football for him actually helps him as far as he's

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Speaker 2: a running back and linebacker, so he's okay.

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Speaker 1: I love it. So your first impressions of Detroit hockey

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Speaker 1: versus Nashville hockey at the youth level.

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Speaker 2: You know, it is it is completely different. I thought

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Speaker 2: they did a good job in Nashville for what they had,

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Speaker 2: but there's so many teams here that are I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's really competitive and really competitive, and you know, I

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Speaker 2: think they do a good job with development because there's

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Speaker 2: ice on two sheets of ice and every neighborhood. So

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Speaker 2: it's a lot different.

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Speaker 1: Now, all right, let's get to football a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Last week obviously a tough loss, but you can look

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Speaker 1: at your unit, the performance up front, how they limited

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Speaker 1: the run got after Baker Mayfield, and obviously you Hutch

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Speaker 1: with the four and a half sacks. You've seen a

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Speaker 1: lot of great performances over the years. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: been a part of one like that? And you were

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Speaker 1: with von Miller I think over at Texas A and

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Speaker 1: m Right obviously had some great guys at Tennessee. But

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Speaker 1: have you ever seen an individual performance like you saw

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Speaker 1: from Hutch?

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Speaker 2: You know, what's funny is on I think it was

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Speaker 2: Wednesday last week. I was just I don't know why

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Speaker 2: it popped in my head, but I was telling Hutch

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Speaker 2: a story about when in Dan's first game when he

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Speaker 2: took over in Miami, we played the Tennessee Titans and

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Speaker 2: cam Wake had three sacks in the first half, actually

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Speaker 2: at four in the first half of the game, and

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Speaker 2: we kind of laughed about that story and it was unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Then when he got to three, I said, hell, maybe

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Speaker 2: maybe you can. You could be the next guy to

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Speaker 2: do it. But the thing is is he does so

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Speaker 2: much more than the stats. He does a good or

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Speaker 2: the sacks and all of that. He does a good

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Speaker 2: job of setting up the pass rush games and calling it,

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Speaker 2: and he's been a great leader for us. But really

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Speaker 2: the whole group, Hutch is not getting no sacks without

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Speaker 2: the help of those guys on the interior, and he'll

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Speaker 2: admit that himself. So it's all of us working together.

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Speaker 2: But as far as Hutch as a player, I told

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Speaker 2: the guys, I think, you know, I've had some hard workers.

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Speaker 2: I've had Sue and Jeff Simmons, and but the hardest

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Speaker 2: worker that I've ever been around is actually another Michigan Wolverine,

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Speaker 2: which is Charles Woodson in Oakland. Like he just worked

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Speaker 2: his butt off even when he was older, and Hutch

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Speaker 2: is kind of the same same type of guy, like

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Speaker 2: he wants to get the perfect reps in practice and

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Speaker 2: work his butt off. So it's good to see everything

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Speaker 2: paying off.

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Speaker 1: I think line Stans will be all right if Hutch

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Speaker 1: ends up having the same career as Charles Woodson had,

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Speaker 1: you know. But what marvels me about Hutch is now

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Speaker 1: he plays ninety percent of the snaps, you know, and

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Speaker 1: he's got a motor that never quits. So not only

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Speaker 1: does he play that many snaps, but he never takes

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Speaker 1: plays off either, And I think that's a unique combination

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Speaker 1: amongst big guys too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And he wants to take every practice rep

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Speaker 2: and every one on one pass rush rep. And I

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Speaker 2: always tell him, like I'll pull him out of practice

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Speaker 2: and say he wants to go, and it's like, you

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Speaker 2: know what I got to protect you from you, like,

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Speaker 2: you can't take every rep. But that's why he's a

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Speaker 2: good player and becoming a great player is because he

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Speaker 2: works at it. So it doesn't just happen. You don't

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Speaker 2: see very many great players that are just great. Usually

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Speaker 2: there's a work ethic behind it.

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Speaker 1: How great was a c DJ reader in the middle there?

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Speaker 1: I got to think what twenty five snaps someone right

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Speaker 1: in there made an impact? And I think some people

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Speaker 1: you obviously see him as a big guy, a run stuffer,

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Speaker 1: but I think people sleep a little bit on his athleticism.

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Speaker 1: There are a couple plays where he came real close

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Speaker 1: to having some sex. I think he can influence the

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Speaker 1: pass rush as well, would you like from from the elite.

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Speaker 2: To elite run defender always kind of been that, but

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Speaker 2: like you said, he affects the quarterback. And I think

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Speaker 2: sometimes fans will look at a stat sheet and then

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Speaker 2: they form their opinions based on the stat sheet. You

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Speaker 2: can't tell me that the people that are watching the game,

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Speaker 2: they're locked in on the noseguard like they're not. They're

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Speaker 2: not looking at that. But the thing that the things

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Speaker 2: that he does impacts the game in so many ways,

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Speaker 2: Like he's pushing the pocket, forcing a quarterback to move left,

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Speaker 2: move right, step back, and then now the other guys

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Speaker 2: go clean them up. But like you said, he's a

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Speaker 2: he's a much better pass rusher than what he gets

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Speaker 2: credit for.

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Speaker 1: That's some serious beef you got in the middle of

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Speaker 1: there now with the Leam, Yeah, I mean, and those

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Speaker 1: who are just going to continue to get better. I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously they hadn't hadn't had a lot of time on task.

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Speaker 1: You know, DJ was out all training camp, and you've

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Speaker 1: got to learn the guy next to you a little bit,

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Speaker 1: especially on the defensive line when you're doing stunts and

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Speaker 1: doing some of the other games that you play and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. It's just going to keep getting better

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Speaker 1: and better.

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Speaker 2: You know, their first time a Leam and and Aleam

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Speaker 2: and Reader, their first time really practicing or playing together

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Speaker 2: in pads was in that game the against Tampa. Like

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Speaker 2: they really didn't have a chance to practice because Reader

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Speaker 2: wasn't practicing, and then when we brought him back, it

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Speaker 2: was returned to play, so he was kind of on

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Speaker 2: a scout team, and then when we came back, we

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Speaker 2: didn't have pads on. So their first time being in

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Speaker 2: pads together was in that game against Tampa. And we

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Speaker 2: still haven't had in a game yet Hutch Mac Davenport

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Speaker 2: and Levi and all those guys in there together, and

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Speaker 2: so I'm looking forward to see what that looks like.

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Speaker 1: Are you cheating? Are you looking at my questions here?

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Speaker 1: Because my next one was getting all five players back

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Speaker 1: to together. How excited are you for that? Especially with

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Speaker 1: the way Marcus played week one too. I thought that

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Speaker 1: was very underrated what he did on that other side

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Speaker 1: and getting that back.

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Speaker 2: From what he did and that opener from just a

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Speaker 2: physicality standpoint, and I think it opened even the DBS

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Speaker 2: are talking about what he was able to do. And

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Speaker 2: those guys enjoy working together, like we sit in the

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Speaker 2: meeting room and you listen to him talk and they

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Speaker 2: talk about the game and how we want to play

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Speaker 2: the game, and it's an impressive group, you know. So

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Speaker 2: we're excited to get all of them out there. And

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Speaker 2: I mean even Wingo like the Dan challenged our foot.

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Speaker 2: Dan and AG challenged us to get better from week

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Speaker 2: one to week two, and I think that group, along

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Speaker 2: with the football team, was able to get better. I

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Speaker 2: know we didn't win the football game, but you can

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Speaker 2: see the improvement, and that's really what you're trying trying

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Speaker 2: to get to. I mean, I don't know how many

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Speaker 2: playoff games are played in September, but you know, we're

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Speaker 2: just getting better and better and better every week. That's

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Speaker 2: what we're looking for.

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Speaker 1: I like the line you used. I think you said

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Speaker 1: is crushing the can on the edge when you have

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Speaker 1: Marcus in Aiden in there, and then now you add

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Speaker 1: reader and leave inside. And that's going to be important

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Speaker 1: this week because what do you see on tape. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is a guy who's made plays with his

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Speaker 1: legs outside the pocket a lot. He's got a weapon

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Speaker 1: in Marvis Harrison Junior on the outside that can be

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Speaker 1: real dangerous if he's allowed to extend some plays. Just

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Speaker 1: the challenge this week.

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Speaker 2: Scary scary, scary football player. I mean, he was Levi's

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Speaker 2: teammate at Alan High School in Texas and he's been

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Speaker 2: doing that since high school, running around. Even when you

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Speaker 2: think you got him boxed in, he's still able to

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Speaker 2: slither around and make some play. So it's going to

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Speaker 2: be a challenge for us. But you know, we're we're

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Speaker 2: gonna go after him and attack him and do those things.

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Speaker 2: So it'll be a good challenge for us, and it'll

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Speaker 2: be a good challenge for him the way we're going

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Speaker 2: to rush the passer.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Levi a couple of times. I knew you.

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Speaker 1: I know you weren't here when he first got here,

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Speaker 1: when he was dealing with his back injury nearly ended

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Speaker 1: his careers. Herrol, just how much how happy are you

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Speaker 1: for what he's become now now he's healthy, and what

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Speaker 1: he's doing and how he's played the first two weeks.

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Speaker 1: He's a big part of what you guys have done.

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Speaker 2: I spend so much time with Levi on the in

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Speaker 2: the draft process when he was coming out, and I

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Speaker 2: I begged and hoped that we would take him uh

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Speaker 2: in Tennessee, to pair him with Jeff Simmons inside, and

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Speaker 2: we didn't. And and it's funny because now we come

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Speaker 2: together and I, you know, I've watched him from Afar

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Speaker 2: and and I would hear the stories he's and and

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Speaker 2: when I first got here, I said, you know what,

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Speaker 2: you got to change a chance to change the narrative.

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Speaker 2: And he's been able to do that in a major way.

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Speaker 2: And he's healthy, Like that's the biggest thing. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we want to call kids bus and and some guys

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Speaker 2: just develop at a different rate, and other guys that

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Speaker 2: you can't judge him when they're hurt, you know, And a.

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Speaker 1: Back is a back, like that's that's a finicky thing.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a serious injury.

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Speaker 2: At that position, you're if you have a bad back,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it. So the fact

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Speaker 2: that he's been able to overcome that and he's playing

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Speaker 2: at such a high level for us is exciting to see.

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Speaker 1: The young guys except you a little bit Wingo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like Wingo's coming. Like I thought, last week, again

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Speaker 2: in a loss, he looked better than he did at

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Speaker 2: any point in the preseason, and that that's a good

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Speaker 2: thing for us. I mean, Pascal is another guy that's

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Speaker 2: a third year player that is really fighting for playing.

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Speaker 2: The thing that we have is we have a lot

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Speaker 2: of depth on our interior, and that's such a huge

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Speaker 2: thing because you know, guys get banged up. Well you

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Speaker 2: can just yeah, it's gonna happen. But those two guys

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Speaker 2: are the ones that come to mind for me as

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Speaker 2: far as guys that you can see getting better. And again,

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Speaker 2: we're just trying to improve every week and hopefully we

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Speaker 2: could take another step this week.

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Speaker 1: Well, that defensive line took a big, big step last week.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be the catalyst for what

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Speaker 1: you guys do defensively. I think you guys have those

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Speaker 1: guys playing. I think you have those guys playing a really,

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Speaker 1: really high level up front. It should be a great

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Speaker 1: test this week. Thanks so much for joining me. I

657
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Speaker 1: love the insight like talking big boy football inside there

658
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Speaker 1: doesn't get the doesn't get the play a lot of

659
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Speaker 1: the times that it does, but I love the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Darren. Absolutely welcome back to be twenty in the Huddle

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Speaker 1: podcast presented by Microsoft, and I am very happy to

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Speaker 1: welcome in Darren Urban. He does a great job covering

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Speaker 1: everything over over in Arizona for the Cardinals. The director

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Speaker 1: of editorial content and the senior writer for the Arizona Cardinals. Darren,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining me. Appreciate you taking the time.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for inviting me too.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: It's another fun matchup, right NFC matchup. We'll see what

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Speaker 1: kind of implications this has later in the season, but

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Speaker 1: a big one early on. You know, Cardinals are obviously

673
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Speaker 1: coming off a big win against the Rams last week

674
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Speaker 1: after dropping their Week one contest Lions the other side

675
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Speaker 1: of it, you know, one a close game Week one,

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Speaker 1: but fell short last week, so they're looking for a

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Speaker 1: bounce back. But let's start with this Darren, I, have

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Speaker 1: you ever seen a quarterback play as well as Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray played last week? What was it? Two hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty six passing yards, fifty nine rushing, a perfect passer rating.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen anything like it?

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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny that you bring that up in

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Speaker 4: the podcast that I do here for the site. We

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Speaker 4: were just having that conversation and it's I guess it

685
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Speaker 4: depends there's nuance there statistically, probably not, efficiency, probably not.

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Speaker 4: He did out of a game in Las Vegas in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. He wasn't great some of the game,

688
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Speaker 4: but the team was terrible, and he basically put the

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Speaker 4: team on his back that day and ran for a touchdown,

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Speaker 4: through for a touchdown, ran for a two point conversion,

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Speaker 4: three roof for a two point conversion. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if you remember that one, but it's it's the one

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Speaker 4: where he had like scrambled for like twenty seconds before

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Speaker 4: he ran in the two pointer row.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: His stats weren't great that day, but that was that

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Speaker 4: was a game that like only Kyler Murray could do.

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Speaker 4: That was something similar in terms of what we saw Sunday.

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Speaker 4: The difference between this Kyler Murray and previous versions. Is

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Speaker 4: that you're now adding in the playmaking into a situation

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Speaker 4: where the offense fits him, and it is very effective

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Speaker 4: within the offense. It's it's not asking for him to

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Speaker 4: do everything. And you've seen it with the running game.

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Speaker 4: Now you see it with Marvin Harrison and Trey McBride

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Speaker 4: that they've got some guys to throw to. It's it

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Speaker 4: can be a very efficient offense. And I think as

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Speaker 4: he kind of comes into his own with his coaching

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Speaker 4: staff full time after missing half the year last year,

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Speaker 4: you're really being able to see the results.

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Speaker 1: And it really does look like it fits there. I

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Speaker 1: mean sixty nine points, eight touchdowns, seven hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: nine yards, three hundred and fifty five rushing, forty two

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Speaker 1: first downs. I mean they can attack you in a

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Speaker 1: lot more ways than I think previous years with Kyler.

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Speaker 1: And I think one of the big things when watching

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Speaker 1: his game from last week too is correct me if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But he looks like he's at a point

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Speaker 1: now where he's scrambling, he's moving, he's using his legs

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Speaker 1: to throw the ball down field, not so much gain

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Speaker 1: yards with his legs, and I think that's opened up

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Speaker 1: this offense a lot too. When you put a playmaker

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Speaker 1: like Marvin Harrison Junior on the outside.

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Speaker 4: Well, I yes, that is all true, and it's what

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Speaker 4: you hope for. If you have a quarterback who can

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Speaker 4: move like Kyler Murray, and I'm sure this would go

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Speaker 4: with any quarterback who's able to scramble and buy some time,

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Speaker 4: you need to have receivers that can compliment that because

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Speaker 4: if the defense is worried about that quarterback getting out

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Speaker 4: and maybe heading up the field by himself, you have

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Speaker 4: situations like last week where Marvin Harrison ends up running

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Speaker 4: free in the secondary multiple times. Now, I'm not saying

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Speaker 4: that that's gonna happen every week. The Rams definitely got

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Speaker 4: messed up a couple of times on defense last week,

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Speaker 4: but because you've got a McBride, like A great example

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Speaker 4: is the sixty yard touchdown to Harrison. That play was

736
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Speaker 4: a rollout, a play action rollout to the right that

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Speaker 4: was going to go back across the field to Trey McBride.

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Speaker 4: Three Rams defenders went to McBride and a fourth was

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Speaker 4: coming over to help, and that's the guy that kind

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Speaker 4: of rubbed off Harrison and Harrison kind of ran past him.

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Speaker 4: And he got past the corner and got wide open.

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Speaker 4: If you can start using those pieces that aren't getting

743
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Speaker 4: the ball on a particular play to draw defenders, that's

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Speaker 4: where you get all this openness. And that goes back

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Speaker 4: to again the threat of Kyler running the play action.

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Speaker 4: Not only did you worry about James Connor the initial

747
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Speaker 4: part of that play, then all of a sudden, Kyler

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Speaker 4: is running And even if he hadn't thrown that ball,

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Speaker 4: he would have gained ten or fifteen yards if he

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Speaker 4: decided to run because of where the defense was. I mean,

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Speaker 4: there's they have so many options right now. This Drew

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Speaker 4: Petsing offense looks really good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And defensively they're playing some pretty good football too.

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Speaker 1: To hold Matthew Stafford and and and that collection of

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Speaker 1: weapons over there to ten points is pretty good. And

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Speaker 1: it really was playing behind the line of scrimmage, playing

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Speaker 1: on on you know, Los Angeles side. I think it

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Speaker 1: was twelve tackles for lost five sacks. I mean that

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Speaker 1: was a pretty good performance too. But they've been playing

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Speaker 1: some pretty good football to start this side. That's front seven.

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Speaker 1: Is that their strength particularly we all know about Buddha

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Speaker 1: Baker obviously, and the impact that he has a safety,

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Speaker 1: But how good does that front seven play in right now?

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Speaker 4: You know they had a great game last week, and

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Speaker 4: you certainly don't want to throw a bunch of cold

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Speaker 4: water on it. But the Rams were missing Puku Nakua,

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Speaker 4: they lost Cooper Cup by the end of the first half,

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Speaker 4: and they were missing three starting offensive line and that

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Speaker 4: makes a difference, especially when you're about to go against

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Speaker 4: the Lions team that has arguably the best offensive line

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Speaker 4: in the league, and they're all healthy. So we'll see,

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Speaker 4: We'll see how it carries over. But I do think

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Speaker 4: that this defense plays hard. I think Nick Rollis, the

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Speaker 4: defensive coordinator, does a nice job putting them in the

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Speaker 4: positions they need to do to be as successful as

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Speaker 4: they can. I think ultimately what's going to determine the

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Speaker 4: wins and losses of this team is going to be

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Speaker 4: can the defense do enough to keep their offense in

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Speaker 4: a position where if they play offensively like they can,

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Speaker 4: you're basically outscoring teams. I don't expect this defense to

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Speaker 4: hold teams to ten points a week. But at the

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Speaker 4: same time, you know, maybe you're running into a lines

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Speaker 4: I mean, the lines out a ton of yards last week,

784
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Speaker 4: couldn't quite finish off drives. You know, that would be

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Speaker 4: something that would play into a strength of a Cardinals defense,

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Speaker 4: a kind of a bend but not break and then

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Speaker 4: kind of let the offense take over.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody in Arizona was excited to see kind

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Speaker 1: of that breakout game from Marvin Harrison Junior or just

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Speaker 1: just how good can he be Darren?

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Speaker 4: I mean, he can be what everybody thinks he can be.

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Speaker 4: I mean the first week was an anomala. I do

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Speaker 4: think there was a lot of things that went into it.

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Speaker 4: It was windy in Buffalo, so I think that affected

795
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Speaker 4: some things. Buffalo did do some things to cover him better,

796
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Speaker 4: but ultimately I think it was time on task that

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Speaker 4: Kyler and Marvin hadn't had because neither one of them

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Speaker 4: really played in the preseason. And it's you know, you've

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Speaker 4: been doing this long enough tim the first week or

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Speaker 4: two in the NFL, there's so many times when we

801
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Speaker 4: go back and we look how a team did in

802
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Speaker 4: week one or week two and you're thinking this had

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Speaker 4: nothing to do with how they were the rest of

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Speaker 4: the season. So that's why I'm hesitant on a lot

805
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Speaker 4: of stuff. But they were still trying to figure out

806
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Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison. Teams are going to pay attention to him.

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Speaker 4: He's going to be he is the number one receiver

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Speaker 4: for this team. He's going to be the number one receiver.

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Speaker 4: The issue again, defenses are going to have is okay,

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Speaker 4: if you put a lot of stock and worrying about

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Speaker 4: him all the time. Trey McBride is really good, and

812
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Speaker 4: Michael Wilson, who's kind of under the radar, can do

813
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Speaker 4: some things. And oh, by the way, this running game

814
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Speaker 4: since the end of last year, can really grind up

815
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Speaker 4: a lot of yards. So you know, they they've gotten

816
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Speaker 4: to the point where they have enough options that even

817
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Speaker 4: if the other team looks at Marvin, they're gonna be

818
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Speaker 4: some things that they're gonna have to pay for. That

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Speaker 4: all said, I think Marvin Harrison is definitely gonna be

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Speaker 4: the real deal. And you know is he gonna have

821
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Speaker 4: a Jamar Chase justin Jefferson rookie season In terms of stats,

822
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Speaker 4: I don't know about that, but in terms of impact,

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Speaker 4: I think he can.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned the run game. James Conner obviously,

825
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Speaker 1: you know terrific player. Dan Campbell had a great line

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Speaker 1: this week when when Asabai said he runs heavy, I

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Speaker 1: thought that was a great way to describe him because

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Speaker 1: he does bring the thunder. Injury concerns Darren leading into

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Speaker 1: this one. Stuff that you're watching over there. Anybody come

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Speaker 1: on everything, everybody come out of Sunday, okay, or there's

831
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Speaker 1: some concerns they are leading into this week.

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Speaker 4: The biggest injury issues that they have are guys that

833
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 4: are already on ir In terms of the guys that

834
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Speaker 4: have been playing, they're relatively healthy. That's why Gannon didn't

835
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Speaker 4: play anybody in the preseason and so far it's paid off.

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Speaker 4: The guys that got hurt were practice injuries, but nobody

837
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Speaker 4: got hurt in preseason and they've stayed healthy at this point.

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Speaker 4: So you knock on wood and as we can see

839
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Speaker 4: around the league, tim, I mean, injuries are already playing

840
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Speaker 4: a huge factor in how some teams are going to go.

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Speaker 4: In this team's division alone, obviously, the Cardinals just played

842
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 4: the Rams for forty nine. Ers are a team that

843
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 4: already beat up. So that's a huge part of this

844
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Speaker 4: is can teams stay healthy, and right now the Cardinals are.

845
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Speaker 1: One or two big keys for the Cardinals to come

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00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: away with a victory at State Farm on Sunday against

847
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Speaker 1: this Lions team that that's you know, obviously it's a

848
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: big game for them coming off a loss. You don't

849
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Speaker 1: want to start one to two. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh, and I think for both teams it's a huge deal.

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Speaker 4: The number one thing I'm thinking is you can't let

852
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 4: Hutchinson ruin the game. If you're the Cardinals, I think

853
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 4: you have a good enough run game where you can

854
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 4: potentially keep them off balanced. But your passing game was

855
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 4: so efficient last week, but you did not see a

856
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Speaker 4: pass rusher like the Lions have in Hutchinson. And I

857
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 4: think the other thing defensively, you just got to be smart.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you're going to necessarily hold the

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Speaker 4: lines down like you held down the Rams, but if

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Speaker 4: you can out physical the Lions, and I think the

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Speaker 4: Lions are one of the most physical teams the Cardinals

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00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 4: will see. And that's where the Cardinals are right now.

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Speaker 4: Gannon is a physical type of coach and he's built

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Speaker 4: a physical type team. I'm looking forward to that. But

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Speaker 4: you can't let the Lions gash you on the ground.

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Speaker 1: It should be a good one to physical football teams.

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Speaker 1: Two teams that like to run to run the ball.

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Speaker 1: That two defenses that are playing much better than we've

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Speaker 1: seen in years past. Two and it's a big NFC matchup.

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Speaker 1: It should be a great one. Darren, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for taking the time. Appreciate you and I'll come

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Speaker 1: over and say hello in the press box on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. Tim