1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: name is Noel, and I am Ben. Most importantly, you 6 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: are you are we hope, which makes this as always 7 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know, Ladies and gentlemen. 8 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: Before we get to anything else, before we start the show, 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: we want to do something very important and that is 10 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: shout Out Corner. That's right. It is the return of 11 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: our shout Out Corner. And the first person to get 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: a shout out today is our own Jake han Rahan, 13 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: who asked us on Twitter, Hey guys, do you still 14 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: do shout outs? We do, Jake, or we do for you? 15 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: So welcome. You are officially a member of the shout 16 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: Out Corner. Anybody else meant you got shouted out? So 17 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: did you? Heather getting shouted out for saying things while 18 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: you were apparently intoxicated that are hilarious on Twitter? Thank you? 19 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: So uh. We are going to continue our shout out Corner. 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: If you would like to have your name read on 21 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: the air, If you would like to say hi to us, 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: or if you would like us to convey a message 23 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: to your fellow listeners, there are a couple of ways 24 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: to do it. You should take a page from Jake 25 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: and Heather's book and follow us on Twitter dot com 26 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: forward slash conspiracy stuff. Or you can just take a 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: page from the Noel Brown book and just be a 28 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: buddy of mine by the name of Wesley Van who 29 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: I turned on the show recently and I wanted to 30 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: give him a little shouty addie. Oh yes, shout out 31 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: to Wesley as well. And so you know, I think 32 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: I think three are good for a shout out in 33 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: the corner, right, yeah, so a on a room. Yeah 34 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: so its just the corner, It's just a quarter. So 35 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: with that, as always, thank you to Wesley, Jake and 36 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: Heather for checking out this show. Thank you to everyone else, 37 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: all you guys out there listening. Again. We can't emphasize 38 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: it enough. Our best ideas come from you. We're also 39 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: on Facebook. We have what else do we have, guys? 40 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: We have a live show. We do we do periscope. 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: You can find us their Periscope TV. Even though Facebook 42 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: doesn't want you to know. That's true, and but Facebook 43 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 1: will let you know about our Facebook live posts. We alternate. Yeah, 44 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: we go back and forth. And our last one was 45 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: kind of cool because this is a little bit behind 46 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: the scenes. But Noel matt Um and I hung out 47 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: with future special guest who's who is a super cool guy. 48 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: I'm like his number one cheerleader actually, but he he 49 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: is simultaneously one of the most mysterious individuals that I've 50 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: ever met. But at the same time, I feel like 51 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: I could just sit and talk with him, and he 52 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: has the knowledge of a of a professor. But it 53 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: this way. The conversation over lunch veered wildly, from alchemy 54 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: to philosophy, all kinds of esoteric thought to you know, 55 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: the Fallout series and um Dungeons and Dragons rules, so 56 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's cut quite a wide swath. I enjoyed 57 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: myself immensely looking Forred to having him on the show. Yeah, 58 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: this is a is a friend of mine from a 59 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: long time ago. But enough about that. You will you 60 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: will meet him soon because we're going to talk about 61 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: something different today, which might sound a little bit strange 62 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: for some of our listeners because we usually cover stuff 63 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: like cryptids. Oh and spoiler alert. You guys, I really 64 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: want to do some cryptids soon. Yeah, if we Yeah, 65 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: if I am so ready to cover cryptids, we just 66 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: gotta we have to find the new ones. Yeah, the 67 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: ones we haven't covered yet. You guys, I think that 68 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: sounds like a terrible idea. Get out of here. Stop arguing. 69 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: So you guys may have noticed that last week we 70 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: did a little episode on political conspiracies, which is one 71 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: of those things. I think it's politics, religion, and money. 72 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: Those are the three things three you shouldn't talk about 73 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: at dinner. Well, we we found out in our YouTube 74 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 1: comments section in our videos, uh specifically in this one, 75 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: a lot of comments, a lot of people just attacking 76 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: each other, arguing with each other, and uh, it kind 77 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: of made us want to look into this further. Yeah, exactly. 78 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: That's a great point. We do want to say that 79 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: we really appreciate every everybody who took the time to 80 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: check out our YouTube video and to check out our 81 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: earlier audio episode. We were surprised, you guys. We we 82 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: thought we would get just excoriated in comments and stuff 83 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: because we talked about political things, but a lot of 84 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: people seemed pretty on board. Yeah, there were a lot 85 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: of people just disagreeing with each other and what they 86 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: were writing in the comments rather than what was actually 87 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: in the video. We do, we do try to be 88 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: as unbiased as we can, or to be biased towards 89 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: facts rather than our own opinions. And that's one where 90 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: I spectacularly uh broke the rule and wh I went 91 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: on a rant. Yeah, I think that was the first 92 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: in our video series, at least think it was at first. 93 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: But but be that as it may, met. The point 94 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: you make is excellent, Uh, And we're gonna get to 95 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: some listener feedback later regarding our political stuff, so stay 96 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: tuned for that towards the end. But the point that 97 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: Matt is making now is that we saw arguments. We 98 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: saw a lot of arguments, and we started thinking, why 99 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: do people argue online? Why does it seem like there 100 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: are always a couple of people who are no matter 101 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: what the video is or what the story is, there's 102 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: always like one or two people who are fighting. And 103 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: it could be something's innocuous, as like a cute, overweight 104 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: cat who is pushing a cup off the table, or 105 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: like a puppy that is booping another puppy, and there's 106 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: somebody in the comments, he's always going like, hey you buddy, exactly. Yeah, 107 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: it ranges pretty widely, and it's a weird thing, right, 108 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: you know where I found some of the most just 109 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: completely livid cant anchors arguments online on local newspapers websites, 110 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: so especially you know, especially in the South, because people 111 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: to have a tendency to really let their Confederate flags fly, 112 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: shall we say? You know, that is a weird thing. 113 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: I noticed that in looking up a couple of articles, 114 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: uh in in smaller newspapers online, the comments sections that 115 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: you have to scroll all the way down the page 116 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: to find are just filled with people yelling and saying 117 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: horrible things to each other on a I mean, who 118 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: who goes there to like have a discussion. Well, it's 119 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: like a spoken word open mic night. The only people 120 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: who are going to watch are also the people who 121 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: want to perform, so people very very good analogy. It's 122 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: kind of cruel to spoken word and I am a 123 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: fan of spoken word. That's just a reality. Well that's 124 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: true of any kind of open mic night for the 125 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: most part. I mean, you know, if you've got someone 126 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: playing acoustic guitar, you know, singing Bob Dylan I mean 127 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: it's sort of a contract. You know, you've you got 128 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: to watch the other the other people did in the 129 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: Bob Dylan covers before you get your turn to do 130 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: yours right and stand up. Open Mic nights for comics 131 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: are are tough because you know, comics hate to laugh 132 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: at each other's jokes. It's like walking into a church 133 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: where everyone is angry, wonderful. Yeah, So what's the point? 134 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: Why why do we do this? Well, it's a great question. 135 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: This makes us think because we must explore the nature 136 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: of an argument itself before we get to the strange 137 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: world of arguing online. So the nature of argument is this, 138 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: Matt Noel, me or every guest host we've ever had, 139 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: you listening here, and every single person you have ever met, 140 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: probably I certain, uh, everyone you have ever met is 141 00:07:52,800 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: hardwired to prize feeling correct over being correct. That's a 142 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: very important distinction, right. Um. There are some chemical reasons 143 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: for that that we're going to get into, but it's 144 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: just it is a it's something you need to know. Yeah, 145 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: and evolutionary reasons as well. So everyone's had some sort 146 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: of argument. It doesn't matter who you are, you've had 147 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: some sort of argument. One of the nicest people I 148 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: know is a local Atlanta improviser named Mark Kendall. Super 149 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: nicest guy, but it doesn't matter if he would never 150 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: himself start an argument. He lives in an argumentative world, right, 151 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: So I think of you know, the nicest person you 152 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: know and probably had an argument at some point, right, Yeah, 153 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: I mean in my roommate Frank, for example. Um. And 154 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: the funny thing is he and I both used to 155 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: live with a mutual friend of ours who is just 156 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: he lives for arguming. He will he will make his 157 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: point and will never back down from it no matter 158 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: what information you throw at him. He's never wrong and 159 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: he's good at it because he's he makes you feel 160 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: like you have to meet his burden of proof. And 161 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: then he constantly is just like raising the bar. It's 162 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: very clever and it's infuriating, but you can't help but 163 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: engage when he when he does this, and you play 164 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: his reindeer games too, and so you know, Frank's got 165 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: a little bit of that every now and then we'll um. 166 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: But you know the thing about Frank, as he will 167 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: back down, but sometimes it will be like you know, 168 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: maybe something as simple as uh, this is the lyric 169 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: to this song, I'm like, no, that's not the right lyric, 170 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: And you know, kind of go back and forth for 171 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: a while and then eventually someone will look it up 172 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: and ended there and history hinges on history, hinges on arguments. 173 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: Arguments have caused wars, Arguments have caused changes of government. 174 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: Arguments have propelled some of the greatest innovations of our species, 175 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: and those maybe those we can um group under rivalries 176 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: more so right like Edison and Tesla, for instance, if 177 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: they didn't have such enormous abiding contempt for one another, 178 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: would they have explored technology the way they did? I 179 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: think the answer is no, I think they would have 180 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: explored something differently. So argument is not necessarily bad. Everyone 181 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: has it. This has probably happened to you recently, when 182 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: you were when you were doing something else between the 183 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: time you listen to our last show and the time 184 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: you're listening now, you may have argued over something in 185 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: your last show, for sure. So what what do you do? 186 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: How do you handle this when this happens? Do you 187 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: embrace conflict or or does even the thought of an 188 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: awkward social situation send you into anxiety land? Like Mark 189 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: Corrigan on Peep Show, you know, which is again I 190 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: think Nolan mentioned it earlier. So he's my spirit, he's 191 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: your spirit. Well at least you're not jazz. Uh So, 192 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: despite the name homo sapien modern wise person, uh, we 193 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: are biologically ill equipped for the times of which we live. 194 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: We are beta max is in a blu ray world, 195 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: which is totally inaccurate. I just like the way it sounds. 196 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: I like it. It's like outdated technology. It's like the 197 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: funny thing is I mean they're almost both out there. 198 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: Yea blue that's the thing. It sounds good, but blue 199 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: rays are also outdated. Yeah. So the the thing is 200 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: that the evolution of our technological capability and the evolution 201 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: of our social dynamic across the world, they've they've they've 202 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: outpaced the biological evolution, the biological adaptations that made human 203 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: beings so suited to that fight or die brutal grind 204 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: of the ancient natural world in which we lived. We 205 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: evolved cognitively and physically to outrun, outfight, or outwit predators 206 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: and monsters in the world around us. However, now we're 207 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: in a different world. Now the threats aren't so much. 208 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: You know, a tiger coming at you let's say we're 209 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: a bear that you have to fend off to save 210 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: your family or something. They're much more low, they're they're 211 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: more existential. They're on paper a lot of times. Yeah, 212 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: what are some of the terrors of the modern world 213 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: for other people in developed countries? We should say they're 214 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: there or people who are well off. The things are like, 215 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: am I leaving a legacy? Is web md? Right? Do 216 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: I have enough of these hoodies that I like, you know, 217 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: I don't have to watch them all the time to 218 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: make it good tickets for that concert? Or are they 219 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: only that? Are there only bad tickets left? And there 220 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: are real ones too, like the ones that are coming up, 221 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: like in the current political movements that we're seeing in 222 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: like how do governments function? Right? Even though that's that's 223 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: a large question, it's something that affects all of us 224 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: that we have to think about, but it's not something 225 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: that we can that you can fight against, that you 226 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: can fight or fight right. Well, It's also another thing 227 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: that's becoming more and more um just part of potentially 228 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: part of a daily concern is threats of attacks terroristics 229 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: for example. I mean, obviously we've been dealing with that 230 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: in our culture for a long time, but for me 231 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: personally and also having a child, I feel like it's 232 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: definitely more in the forefront of my mind. Like I 233 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: went to a political event um last year and was 234 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: standing in line and the thought occurred to me going 235 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: in like, you know what there, someone could try to 236 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: slow up. This could be it. And it was very 237 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: strange because I've never had that thought before, and it 238 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: was very like a marked kind of moment, like, Okay, 239 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: I guess this is how my brain works now, And 240 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: that is how our brains have always handled the world 241 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: around us as a constant as a constant background noise 242 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: of threat music. You know the music that plays in 243 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: kill Bill right before the bride does anything. Your brain 244 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: is always on some level playing that music at a 245 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 1: very low level. But it's because our hardwiring, however antiquated 246 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: it is, got us or by being that way, so 247 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: it was very very useful in the past. It is 248 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: still useful, otherwise people wouldn't have it. Well, what this 249 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: means is that our brains treat every innocuous argument like 250 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: it could potentially be a fight to the death. So 251 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: so for instance, what's what's the most what's the most 252 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: innocuous argument, like the dumbest little thing to argue with 253 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: someone about. Like if you guys were arguing. I had 254 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: an argument one time about shoes. I was about to 255 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: say shoes, Yeah, it's so funny. That was literally that 256 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: was the most innocuous argument I could have thought of. 257 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: A mutual friend of ours, Brie and I got into 258 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: a huge argument one time about the need for new, 259 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: like really expensive shoes and about how I only had 260 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: one pair of shoes. That was exactly the thing that 261 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: I was going to say, We'll see there, you go, 262 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: that's weird. You guys have group minds. Well, mine was 263 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: going to be a hypothetical. Actually I have this argument, 264 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: but that was literally going to be It was very straight. Well, so, okay, 265 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: so even if if it's this question about new exclusive Jordan's, 266 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: or if it's a question about what sort of shoes 267 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: are best suited to what sort of event? Right, uh, Ultimately, 268 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: if you have a horse in the race, if you 269 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: have a badger in the bag on this one, then 270 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: you your brain is going to treat it as though 271 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: it potentially will be a situation where one where you 272 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: have to thunderdome it and one of you is going 273 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: to die and it's an unconscious thing. And this, ladies 274 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, is why stuff they don't want you to 275 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: know is covering the topic of argument because it's not 276 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: the kind of thing we would usually cover, right, m Yeah, 277 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: it's I think this falls in line really well with 278 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: the deceptive brain series that we do. Yeah, and that's 279 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: because the question is always who are they in this context? Well, 280 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: friends and neighbors, ladies and gentlemen, uh future potential uh foes. 281 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: This is depending on how you feel about Jordan's this 282 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: is a situation where the they are you at least 283 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: your brain, your brains and the ancient Eldrich processes that 284 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: compel us to mistake our programming for free will. And 285 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: so now that we know that the game is rigged 286 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: with regular arguments, let's take it a step further, you 287 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Let's look at technology. What is 288 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: it like when you can argue with someone that you 289 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: will never have to meet in real life? Do you 290 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: have do you guys have a story? Okay, have a 291 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: really quick story to tell, and it I think matches 292 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: up where the real world and then the avatar that 293 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: you are when you're speaking or typing online kind of meat. 294 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: So there's this game when I was in middle school 295 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: called Ultima Online, and it was really cool. Is a 296 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: new game and you could do all these things. Well, 297 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: I spent way too much time playing this game. I 298 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: got a character to seven x GM, which means that 299 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: seven times grand master you have a hunt. You have 300 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: even skills that are at one hundred, which takes forever. 301 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: And I mean, really we're talking. I don't know six 302 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,959 Speaker 1: to eight months that I spent on this one character, 303 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: and I bought a boat, I got all this stuff 304 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: Like I was. I was riding high back in middle schools, like, 305 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: oh man, this is awesome. Uh So, anyway, they made 306 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: a change to the game where in certain spaces you 307 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: weren't safe anymore. Someone could take things from you, pickpocket 308 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: you right or even attack you and the guards wouldn't 309 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: come or whatever. Anyway, I got pickpocketed and my boat 310 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: got stolen with all my stuff, and I basically was 311 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: going to rage quit the game. But there was this 312 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: function into inside the game where you could call a 313 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: a GM a game master also GM. That's weird, but anyway, 314 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: you could call them and it was a human sitting 315 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: at their computer who was like helping run the game, 316 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: who would come in a character and talk to you. 317 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: And this character came up and I, basically as this 318 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: little kid, was arguing for about minutes, yelling with vitriol 319 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: about how could this happen. I've spent all this time, 320 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: I love this game, Please get my boat back, help me. 321 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: This sucks. And then I said awful things to this 322 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: person because I was so furious that I I don't 323 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: even remember exactly what I wrote to the guy, but 324 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: it was just in text, coming up in a little 325 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: bubble above my characters. And well, that's important to remember too, 326 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: is you know there's no context in text. It seems 327 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: funny to say, but I mean, you know, it's like you. 328 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: It just comes across like you. You have one side 329 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: of the meaning of the words, because you're missing an entire, 330 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: incredibly important component, which is your body language, the tone 331 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: of your voice, the sound of your voice, the oscillations 332 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: of your volume up and down, things like that. And 333 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: a lot of people talk with their hands and the 334 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: other there's just a whole nuance that's missing from online conversation. 335 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: And it can work both ways. It can either make 336 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: you come off as extra mean, or you know that 337 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: people get confused. Maybe you're saying something that's meant to 338 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: be a joke, and if you had heard to say 339 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: it in their voice, it would be very clear they 340 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: were being sarcastical that it was a joke. But when 341 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: you type it out and there's none of those nuances, 342 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: it's very easy to mistake it as someone being a jerk. No, 343 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: that's one of the primary differences between most online interactions 344 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: versus real life interactions. Another one would be that everyone 345 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: in an online interaction has the ability to pretend to 346 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: be more knowledgeable than they are by opening another table 347 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: at your fingertips, especially now. Back then, I was on 348 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: a dial up on a o L and that's how 349 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: I was connecting to No, I did not get my 350 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: boat back I And it explains a lot about like you, 351 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: because I never got my boat but boat. It is 352 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: funny though, how I transferred my anger and my rage 353 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: and from that guy, from the person who stole my 354 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: stuff to this game master who had nothing to do 355 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, completely equivalent of yelling at someone on 356 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: like Comcast customer supporters exactly exactly has nothing to do 357 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: with it. It's just my job to help out, but 358 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: your I can't deal with you right now. And I 359 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: would say that's a little bit different because the person 360 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: who was bearing the brunt of the of the frustration 361 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: was paid to be there and was not passionately telling 362 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: you that you had to have better shoes or something. 363 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: So so, because we are, as we said, hardwired for survival, 364 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: let's look a little bit at what what happens in 365 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: these online arguments when you are in situations with high stress, 366 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: or you have fear or you're suspicious. Um, there's a 367 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: hormone called cortisol which floods your brain. And when this happens, 368 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: all the all the cool cognitive neighborhoods in the frontier brain, 369 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: like all all the all the hip, new up and 370 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: coming areas. Evolutionarily speaking, uh, they don't function as well. 371 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: These would be executive functions. They're like strategy, trust building, empathy, compassion, 372 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: and instead, one of Knole's favorite parts of the brain 373 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: kicks in, and that is the amygdala. This is the 374 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: part that makes a choice about how best to protect 375 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: the body. And this thing, which is a very old 376 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: part of your brain, is the one that says, all right, look, body, 377 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: we are very close to losing it all in this uh, 378 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: in this dangerous, dangerous game of Russian roulette that we 379 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: confused with a pleasant conversation. We have several choices. We 380 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: can fight, possibly to the death. We can run as 381 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: fast as we can, we can freeze, or we can 382 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: try to kiss there. But I don't know what. I 383 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: don't know it'll work better for you. But your brain 384 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: usually is gonna say fight or fleet, yes, the the 385 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: I like that idea of a strate Egypt, but kiss 386 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: that your brain decides to make. And and this is 387 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: just for arguments when you when you're arguing with someone 388 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: you don't know that well, you don't have that much 389 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: of a stake in there, you know. It's this is 390 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: an argument where, uh, maybe Noel meet somebody in line 391 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: to grab lunch or something and they just say something 392 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: very offensive and you say, hold on though, that's that's 393 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: not that's not true actually, because blah blah blah, and 394 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, oh, look at make Beardy over here. 395 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: Look at the pants on this guy. Look at the 396 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: pants on this guy, big boy pants. I love the 397 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: idea that all of a sudden everything just stops in time. 398 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: Noel turns around, and then you just hear that and 399 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's a fight to the death. 400 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: What is that? It's the Star Trek. Yeah, that's also 401 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: me calling all my bearded compatriots. I knew you guys 402 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: traveled in packs. I didn't want to say it because 403 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 1: they don't want to prejudice be you know, open with 404 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: my prejudices. But it's like, why are there always those 405 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: like other eleven guys hanging out waiting for you. I 406 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: can't tell you the secret. I've literally never seen you 407 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: walking in a pack of less than twelve bearded men. 408 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: You know, there's safety and numbers, my friend, I guess, well, 409 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: it looks good, I think have Yeah, well that's a 410 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: different epis what you do? You just grow your beard 411 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: out a little bit and then maybe we'll welcome you 412 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: into the fold. I don't know, man, I don't know 413 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: if I'm ready. Okay, cool trader, so so, but let's say, 414 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: like going back to this hypothetical situation. No, let's say 415 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: that you are in a long standing argument, a deep 416 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: seated rivalry, one of those arguments with that has continued 417 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: for some reason for years and years and years, and 418 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: we'll never reach a conclusion. In fact, it's further and 419 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: further away from a conclusion you have, like some Edison 420 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: Tesla kind of deep seated, uh, deep seated disgusted for 421 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: one another. Well, it turns out your brain functions in 422 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: an even stranger way at that point. Now your brain 423 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: has gone from sort of betraying you by making you 424 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: a little bit dumber to um or a little bit 425 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: less rational, it's a more fair way to say it, uh, 426 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: to giving you a little bit of something that might 427 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: be like a mad mad genius superpower. So in this 428 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: study at the University College of London, a guy named 429 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: Professor Summer Zecky scan the brains of these test subjects 430 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: as they looked at photos of someone they hated. And 431 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: I still don't know how they got these photos. I 432 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: guess the person said, oh I hate this person, celebrities 433 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: or something. Right, Well, I mean the methodology is in 434 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: the study. No, it's fairly sound. So Professor Zecki found 435 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: that everyone's brain has what he called a hate circuit, 436 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: and it connects three regions, the superior frontal gyrus UH, 437 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: the putamen, and the medial insula. The activity in these 438 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: regions correlates the experience of hate. So if someone says 439 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: to you like, oh, I don't who's the celebrity Ryan Gosling. Okay, 440 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: So if someone says to you, know, I don't hate 441 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: Ryan Gosling, you can check to see if they're telling 442 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: the truth by showing them a picture of Ryan Gosling 443 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: and seeing if the superior frontal gyris putaman and the 444 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: medial insula have a higher level of activity that means 445 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: they hate this guy. I love the idea of walking 446 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: up to someone in the street be like, do you 447 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:33,719 Speaker 1: hate Ryan Gosling? No? No, no hold on equipment or anyone. 448 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: And this this circuit is distinct. It includes parts of 449 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: the cortex subcortex that generate aggressive behavior and translate this 450 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: into action through motor planning, which means like a very 451 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: small individual size version of war games or you know, modeling, 452 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: strategic modeling. If then right, if they swing first, I'm 453 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: gonna duck put a put a foot up in their 454 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: groy or something like that. I have that with a 455 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: couple kids in middle school because of my dorkiness, Like 456 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: you know, and there are those kids that that you 457 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: you think about, how am I going to react if 458 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: you're you know, a bully? I guess something like that. 459 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: Did you guys ever have something like that where you're 460 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: you have just planning on how am I going to 461 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: interact with this person next time? And if then in 462 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: order to keep yourself from being bullied. Yes, like like 463 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: a good singer to get Like I guess what a 464 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: why a comedian learns to be a comedian at a 465 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: young age? Right, That's the kind of thing. Yes, this 466 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: this is something that I'm sure a lot of people do. 467 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: And you know, listeners, we're collectively a pretty diverse group, 468 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: the three of us here in the studio, everybody out 469 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: there listening and writing in and helping us find the 470 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: next episode of a show. So some of you are 471 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: doubtlessly in middle school right now, in high school right now, 472 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: maybe I think I don't think there's anybody younger than 473 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: middle school age listening to the show. So, uh, some 474 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: of you are in maybe middle school, high school right now, 475 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: and and you're aware you've seen this kind of stuff 476 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: happened before. I hope you are not bullying anybody. I 477 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: also hope you're not being bullied. But it is a 478 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: it is a true skill, and it's one of those 479 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: um abstract cognitive superpowers that separates humanity from most but 480 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: not all, other animals. And here's the thing about when 481 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: you really hate someone. We did this in our Deceptive 482 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: Brain series. All Right, when you're in love, you have 483 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: less activity in the parts of your brain that have 484 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: objectivity and judgment. So, like you've seen one of your 485 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: friends date someone who's just an absolute piece of garbage, 486 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: and and they're like, oh, no, you know, uh, Donovan 487 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: or Samantha or whatever is just going through a lot. 488 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: They they need a little money, but our hearts in 489 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: the right place. And you know, they love their three kids, 490 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: but they can't talk to them because of their schedule. 491 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: And and they're like, you know, Donovan or Samantha whomever 492 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like the most up and up character, right, 493 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: And they're like, but no, I love him, or you know, 494 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: I love her or whatever. I think we've all been 495 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: in those situations. Yeah, that's almost another coping mechanism that 496 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: your brain sort of you know, circumvents uh common irrational 497 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: rational thought by allowing you to kind of explain away 498 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: some of these these pretty deal breaking shortcomings. So even 499 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: though the circuit for hate is distinct, it has a 500 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: little bit in common. It runs in some of the 501 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: same circles as the love circuit, which we cover in 502 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: that Deceptive Brain video, with one really important difference. Brains 503 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: experiencing hate retain activity in the objectivity and judgment areas, 504 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: which means are better prepared not only to plan your 505 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: next move, but to calculate the next move of your opponent. 506 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: This does not happen when you are just arguing with 507 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: some random stranger in the internet. This happens people that 508 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: you hate. So if you have this kind of experience, 509 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: it can keep you smart, which in terms of maybe 510 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: cunning is a better word. Right, So does this apply online? 511 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: We did a video earlier where we talked about why 512 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: you cannot win arguments online, and you know, I'm sure 513 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: there are loads of folks out here listening who are 514 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: thinking like I used to think. Well, I did actually 515 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: win several arguments online bends. So if you want to 516 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: argue about it, check out you know, check out your email. Right. However, No, 517 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: you named one of the biggest reasons that it's difficult 518 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: to win an argument online when you said body language, right, 519 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: body language just missing. Yeah, And I also think that, 520 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: like I mean, there's no moderate moderator in an online argument. 521 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: So I mean, everyone kind of walks away feeling the 522 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: same way as they did when they went in, you know, 523 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: like I'm no one ever really gets their minds changed. 524 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: Oh and since there's no neutral third party to say, 525 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: you know, X or Y won the debate, it's just 526 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: all about mud slinging and just it devolves usually into 527 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: just personal insults because essentially you're missing more than half 528 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: of what people are actually saying when you cut out 529 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: the ability to interpret their body language, their intonation, the 530 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: sound of their voice. Like I was saying, Oh yeah, 531 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: let's get into this, because there's a there's a little 532 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: bit of myth busting we need to do, but there's 533 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: also a little bit of uh, revelatory stuff we need. 534 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: We need to show people here because we have some 535 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: numbers on this. You've probably heard this before. Research shows 536 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: only about what we're actually saying matters. People are any 537 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: more attendant to your body language, etcetera. Lately, that's actually 538 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: been amended pretty significantly to say fifty of communication is 539 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: actually body language, percent is the tone of voice, and 540 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: seven wow the actual words. So okay, so this is 541 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: this measure up. Let's look at this. The history behind 542 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: these numbers they're often quoted and the percentages are often misunderstood. 543 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: They come from a guy named Albert Mehrabian. Albert Mehrabian 544 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: is responsible for this this breakdown, right uh, and he 545 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: was he did a lot of research detailing the importance 546 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: of non verbal communication channels. Right because we've seen people 547 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: who speak very seldomly but the rest of what they 548 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: are still being very talkative, the lack of a better 549 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: term in in the ways in which they carry themselves. Right. Uh. 550 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: We we have a couple of coworkers who speak rarely 551 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: but is still communicate very well. So this actually comes 552 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: this number comes from two different research studies, both in 553 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: the sixties, and they combined together, uh to modify that 554 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: sixt nonverbal verbal thing into the thirty eight and seven 555 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: because they figured out that intonation does matter that much. Right. 556 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: Sarcasm uh, still is very difficult for people to read 557 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: based on text alone. There are some ways that you 558 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: can get around some of the sarcasm and some of 559 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: those things now I know. On Twitch in particular, they 560 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: have actually come up with an emoji that when you're 561 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: being sarcastic, you throw the emoji somewhere in the message, 562 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: which is kind of an interesting way that h communication 563 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: is being is evolving. I think eventually there will be 564 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: something that you'll be able to denote sarcasm simply by 565 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: with a click or some lee I mean, or you know, 566 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: for example, using an exclamation point, where when an exclamation 567 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: point was missing, a sentence might come off as de 568 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: mirror or like sounding like, you know, you're not very 569 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: enthusiastic about something. But if you have that exclamation point 570 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: maybe two or three, then the person that you're chatting 571 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: with or texting with, you know, knows that you're being 572 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: upbeat about something. I mean, there's all kinds of little 573 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: work arounds, not to mention all of the emojis that 574 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, we have access to, just like through you know, 575 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: androids and iPhones, but that is, that is if the 576 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: other person that you're speaking with understands those symbols and 577 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: those messages that you're trying to get across, because ultimately 578 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: it's just characters. And this leads into something that's an 579 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: interesting bit of history, which I'll probably pitch to Holly 580 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: and Tracy over at Stuff you Missed in History Class 581 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: from our Pure podcast. There have been numerous attempts to 582 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: create new punctuation characters that denote stuff like an interra 583 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: bang which is a question mark but also an exclamation point, 584 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: or an irony mark or a mark to donate uh sarcasm. However, 585 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: these haven't really caught on, so at this point we're 586 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: stuck with clarity of communication. The big misunderstanding about this 587 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 1: seven rule is that it is a hard and fast 588 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: rule all the time. That's that doesn't make sense because 589 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: people communicate so differently across the world. What it does 590 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: show us is that in any instance, what how you're saying, 591 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: what you're saying, what you're doing with your body while 592 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: you say it matters way more than people might think. Also, 593 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: intent has a lot to do with it, Like, for example, 594 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 1: an internet troll um is communicating for the sole purpose 595 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: of rilling people up. So not only will they use 596 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: language and phrasing in such a way that will ruffle people, 597 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: they're actually being very pointed and targeted and what they're 598 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: saying and creating these argumentative threads, and a lot of 599 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: times you'll see message boards where you know there's somebody 600 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: on there and as I later identified as a role 601 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: only after like people kind of react and say, oh, 602 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: you idiot, blah blah blah, you're so full of it 603 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: about and then someone will be like he got old, 604 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: you know x y Z two thousand and sixteen, GOTSI 605 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: or whatever, you know. I mean, it's the thing. You 606 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: see it all the time, and they're a little bit different. 607 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,720 Speaker 1: I think in there in the chemical processes that occur 608 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: in the brain during trolling, because it's not The point 609 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: is not to win an argument, you know what I mean. 610 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: The point is to uh derive some other sort of 611 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: cathartic thing that's true and so and do you think 612 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: people enter into online arguments really believing that they're going 613 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: to win? Like do you think we delude ourselves into 614 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: believing that we actually have a chance of changing someone's mind? Uh? 615 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes one thing that I think may even be 616 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: more common is when people are okay, So imagine a 617 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: person is like a cup and the fluid that a 618 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: person is filled up with is a belief, right be 619 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: that belief is something like the best video game ever 620 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: was g t A. Or that jazz music stinks except 621 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: for this one album, right so, or that you know, 622 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: my religion is right if we want to go to 623 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: that point. So this person, this cup is filled with 624 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: this this fluid of belief. And this fluid, you know, 625 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: like any other fluid, adheres to the it conforms the 626 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: shape of its container, and then when it overflows, maybe 627 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: an event happens in the news, it's like an ice 628 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: cube or something dropping in and that raises the fluid 629 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 1: and then it starts to pour over into the outside world. 630 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to be very kind when I say this, 631 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: but my instinct says that often people just want to 632 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: express the thing they already believe rather than um think 633 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: critically about it. So maybe maybe you've grown up hearing 634 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: that the only real metal is cradle of filth. Right, Okay, 635 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to get in trouble with the metal audience. 636 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: This is just for the sake of argument. So you, 637 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: as a cup have been filled with this thing that says, 638 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: only metal is cradle of filth. The only metal is 639 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: cradle of filth. Yes, And and by going out and 640 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: saying it, like like just going out in the world, 641 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 1: and some even if it's just on a little online forums, 642 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: when we're in saying that, it's it's almost like you're 643 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: trying to reinforce your own belief. Yes, And you're and 644 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: you're attempting to find like manded people. So you guys 645 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: can all sit together and say, the only medal is 646 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 1: great to live filth. The only medal is great to 647 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,240 Speaker 1: live filth. And the reason this, the reason this happens, 648 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: and this is a very crude analogy, but the reason 649 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 1: this happens is because of kind of a tribalistic pact mentality. 650 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 1: And we are much more like uh, we are much 651 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: more um synthesizing creatures than we are original thinkers. So 652 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: we take stuff that has already existed in our cup 653 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: and we just let the cup overfloweth you know what 654 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,840 Speaker 1: I mean. We're not actually making the thoughts in many cases. 655 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: So you can also see these online arguments that are 656 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: very impassion as proxy wars because someone who didn't actually 657 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: invent the thought just heard it so much they believed 658 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: it was true, heard it so much they believed it 659 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: was true. They they end up just being kind of 660 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: a puppet of a pre existing opinion to another puppet 661 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,879 Speaker 1: of a pre existing opinion. And it's a sad thing, 662 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: but it's a reality. Another reason you can't win a 663 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: lot of arguments online is that the act of arguing 664 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: tends to reinforce those pre existing opinions. So if I 665 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: am a cuppet, I'm overflowing with the only medal is 666 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: created of filth. And then uh, Matt, you or you 667 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: knowl or you listeners say, well, technically, I looked up 668 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: the definition of metal and while Creadle of Filth maybe 669 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: your favorite of this genre and it's many subgenres, it 670 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: is factually inaccurate to say that it is the only example. 671 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: So confronted with the facts, what would I do? Well, 672 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 1: do we have those those three options from earlier in 673 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 1: the show fight or peas? I don't know if people 674 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: would appease Um. It's rare for people to roll over 675 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,439 Speaker 1: and show their belly and online because you know, there's 676 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,320 Speaker 1: such anonymity. And well, here's what Brendan Nihan and a 677 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 1: guy named Jason Rifler discovered. They discovered something they called 678 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 1: the backfire effect, which means that if you guys had 679 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: like a metal intervention with me and said, here are 680 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: several other metal albums. Furthermore, here's some albums that if 681 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: you like Cradle of Filth, you will probably enjoy immensely. 682 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: And if I still thought that same thought, just running 683 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: like a ear worm through my head. Then what I 684 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: would end up doing is saying no, no, you guys 685 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: are wrong, we're not friends. You don't know what you're 686 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: talking about. Your offensive, you're stupid. Down vote dislike hands up. 687 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 1: And the funny thing is is, like, you know you 688 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: can get away with that stuff online, I guess because 689 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: no one's really trying to be your friend. Um. But 690 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: you know, if a buddy of yours kept behaving that way, 691 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: probably find a new buddy, you know what I mean. 692 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: Just I'm not saying that everyone has to be the same, 693 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: but when people just are inherently closed minded and closed 694 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: off to any other possibilities other than what they believe 695 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: to be the case, it's just not any fun to 696 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: talk to him, you know, it's just not And even 697 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: if you're into arguing, that gets all real quick, you know, 698 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,800 Speaker 1: especially something as arbitrary is you know, Cradle of Filth 699 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: is the only medal. It's making me think of the 700 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 1: concept that thoughts can be viral or are in a 701 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: way neural viruses. The medic Yeah, yeah, And some of 702 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: the kind of takes me back to the Invisibles and 703 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: Filth and some of the work with great Morrison just 704 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: some of the ideas that if you have a thought 705 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: that is dangerous enough and you are able to spread it, 706 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: the thought itself is a thing that is dangerous, not 707 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: whatever comes of it, right, does the thought function as 708 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,720 Speaker 1: essential being. Yeah, it's it's a it's an interesting idea, 709 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: and it's something that we've talked about off air, which 710 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, I would love to I would love to 711 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: explore in the future episode two, because we're already We're 712 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: already at this in this situation where the evidence or 713 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,919 Speaker 1: the truth of whatever something might be doesn't necessarily matter. 714 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: The backfire effect is related to confirmation bias. Confirmation bias, 715 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 1: of course, where if you think of yourself as a skeptic, 716 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: and you say, if you think of yourself as a skeptic, 717 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: then you should be saying, I am interested to hear 718 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: about this UFO report and see what if anything is 719 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: anomalous about it. Many people who confuse themselves with skeptics 720 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: practice confirmation bias and say aliens are not real. Where 721 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: I heard the term conspiracy theory. Therefore whatever follows after 722 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: this is automatically wrong. If anything, that's the opposite of skepticism. 723 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: So in a situation where the evidence of the truth 724 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily matter when people on any conversation from closely 725 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 1: held personal values like religion or politics two very arbitrary 726 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: stuff like Anchorman one versus InCor mare and two, or 727 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: pepsi versus coke or whatever. What we find is that, again, 728 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:35,280 Speaker 1: our brains are hardwired to prize feeling correct over being correct, 729 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: even when there's not, even when there's not really a 730 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: correct answer, like I don't know, you guys feel a 731 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: bit if it's a soda. It's a soda. It's a soda. 732 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,479 Speaker 1: You might have your favorite, but I don't think there's 733 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: an inherently superior one. Well, it's like you said at 734 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: the beginning to it's it's the difference between argument being 735 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:57,359 Speaker 1: this functional kind of um defense mechanism where you are 736 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: actually protecting yourself against something. Now it's almost more like 737 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,840 Speaker 1: a sport, you know, And that's certainly how people treated 738 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: online a lot of the time. I mean, it's definitely 739 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 1: you are trying to get that I guess dopamine release 740 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: that comes from the satisfaction of feeling like you have 741 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: one or you are right, you know, even if you aren't, 742 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: And almost it's benefits you to maybe ignore the fact 743 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: that you're not right. Right. Yeah, Ben, you said something 744 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 1: in the video that I thought it was fantastic. You're like, 745 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: this idea of being right is is addictive, and so 746 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 1: much so that it is a drug that you The 747 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: feeling of being right all the time would be such 748 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: an all encompassing feeling that you would want to chase 749 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,520 Speaker 1: and chase and chase. You said it would be like 750 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,239 Speaker 1: if you're Kanye West, like that feeling of everything I 751 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: say I believe is right and and it doesn't matter 752 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: what anybody else says. I believe that this is right. 753 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: And so it's just I was trying to imagine what 754 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,919 Speaker 1: that would feel like constantly. You guys are both on point, 755 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,359 Speaker 1: But we're getting to this very important thing here that 756 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 1: you can become physy, physically addicted to this dopamine and 757 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: adrenaline rush, dopamine triumph that occurs when you think I 758 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: am right. Yeah, I'm not even listening to you. The 759 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 1: only medal is creadle of filth, dopamine, dopamine, dopamine. I 760 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: mean this, it's a it's a strange thing. And again, 761 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just mentioning creadle of filth and metal 762 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: for the sake of argument. Yeah, I mean, we're all 763 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: stars now on the Dopamine Show, Thanks Marilyn. Shout out 764 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: to Marilyn Manson. So when yeah, so, when you argue, 765 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: when your your brain rather floods with these different chemicals 766 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,799 Speaker 1: and they even make you feel invincible. So the next 767 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: time you're in a tense situation, your brain remembers right, 768 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: and your brain says, let's fight. We don't need to 769 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: run because if we run, we don't get the rush. 770 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: Fight for the rush. Yet, let's say, let's say that 771 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,279 Speaker 1: all of us listening now, all of us on the show, 772 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: now say that each of us has some sort of 773 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: amazing revelation and we are able to transcend these things, 774 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: and we say, you know what, you guys, I'm sorry. 775 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 1: I was being such a piece of crap about it. 776 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,839 Speaker 1: It was cartoonist that I believe there was only one 777 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,760 Speaker 1: metal band in the world, and in retrospect it's weird. 778 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,359 Speaker 1: And I appreciate you guys for being so honest with 779 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,839 Speaker 1: me and listening to me. I apologize. Let me take 780 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: you guys out to Dave and Busters. Let's see that 781 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,799 Speaker 1: we were all capable of doing that. Well, there's still 782 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 1: another problem. Another reason that you may not be able 783 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,360 Speaker 1: to win arguments online because your chances of finding an argument, 784 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: finding a contradicting opinion, even if it's correct, are lowering. 785 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,719 Speaker 1: How to continue great, We're talking about something called the 786 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: search bubble. So what what is this? This is the 787 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,359 Speaker 1: thing you may have noticed recently and when you're just 788 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 1: on Google or really any other search bar, or on 789 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,920 Speaker 1: Facebook or some other social media network that you use. 790 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: What's getting uh supplied to you, to your feed or 791 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: to your search results is more and more. It's being 792 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: customized for you for what you've searched for in the past, 793 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: for what you like on Facebook in particular, or what 794 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 1: you what you buy. Even a lot of times it's 795 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,879 Speaker 1: matched up with your credit cards, which is a little 796 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:43,800 Speaker 1: bit creepy um. And it's happening because mostly advertisers want 797 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,799 Speaker 1: you to have what you want and you know, and 798 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: that's getting into maybe even places where your news sources, 799 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,400 Speaker 1: the types of news sources on your news feed are 800 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,800 Speaker 1: going to be different. Are you saying even non sponsored posts, 801 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,440 Speaker 1: like just normal things that you like that come up 802 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,799 Speaker 1: in your feed are reorganized and reordered based on your 803 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 1: browsing behavior. That's really creepy. Yeah, that's why. Yeah, that's why. 804 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: If you're signed into Google and you're on Chrome or 805 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,520 Speaker 1: something like that, your results are going to be different 806 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,240 Speaker 1: than if you're just not signed in anywhere and using Google, 807 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,000 Speaker 1: using Google Chrome on on a different computer. And here 808 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 1: a how dramatic these differences can become. You can use 809 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: search engines that strip some of the personalized information that 810 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 1: Google uses. Uh there's Duck Duck Go and Scroogle, and 811 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: you'll see that the search results you get, uh do 812 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: differ almost regardless of what you look up. Yeah. It 813 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 1: scares me sometimes when I'll type in stuff somewhere on 814 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,320 Speaker 1: a computer and then stuff they don't want you to 815 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:49,320 Speaker 1: know shows. I'm like, yeah, awesome man. Oh wait, oh. 816 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,400 Speaker 1: So there's a Ted talk you can watch about this 817 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 1: if you're interested in learning more by a fellow named 818 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 1: Eli Harris or Priser, the author of a book called 819 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:04,839 Speaker 1: The Filter Bubb Bowl, and he's talking about this personalized search. So, 820 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,719 Speaker 1: as they say in an excellent article on you Are 821 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,360 Speaker 1: Not So Smart dot com, the media of the future 822 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,319 Speaker 1: may be delivered based not only on your preferences. Right, 823 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: whatever you looked up, Yes, even in incognito mode. H 824 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 1: it will be. It will also be based on your 825 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 1: voting record, your medical records, where you grew up, your 826 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 1: projected mood, the time of day, the time of year, 827 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 1: maybe even information gleaned from your text message conversations, right, 828 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,400 Speaker 1: even public records, like perhaps how much you make if 829 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,279 Speaker 1: you work in a public because as you apply for 830 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,800 Speaker 1: a loan recently, are you getting dental work? Why? Yeah, 831 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 1: did you make in an usual purchase? And the biggest one, 832 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,920 Speaker 1: are you about to have or have already had a 833 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,600 Speaker 1: baby recently? I don't know, man. Another big one that 834 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,880 Speaker 1: makes me uncomfortable is when I see when I'm hanging 835 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,920 Speaker 1: out with a friend, and for some reason, it's almost 836 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,399 Speaker 1: always one of my female friends, and I see, like, wow, 837 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: you have a lot of ads for engagement rings and diamonds, 838 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 1: and that seems to me, that seems so unfair because 839 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:16,920 Speaker 1: we already live in a society that tolerates pushing people 840 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,920 Speaker 1: to do uh, ritualistic things that maybe don't even apply 841 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,400 Speaker 1: in our society at this point. It's it's a form 842 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,440 Speaker 1: of is it of it? As if how from space 843 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,400 Speaker 1: obviously two thousand one decided to pester you to the 844 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,680 Speaker 1: point of bullying. You know what, I mean that's crazy. 845 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,840 Speaker 1: I know it's not it's not the best, but hey, 846 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: maybe it's all wrong, right, No, maybe we can just 847 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,480 Speaker 1: maybe we can be better. Maybe we can have rational discourse, 848 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 1: throw off those old social dynamic rules. What do you think? 849 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,799 Speaker 1: Maybe it's it's it's been. It's not a fair fight though, 850 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, our odds are pretty abysmal. You 851 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,360 Speaker 1: don't think we can evolve past the physiological limits of 852 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,600 Speaker 1: the brain and break three of these, uh, algorithms that 853 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 1: keep us from discovering things that may change our view 854 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,439 Speaker 1: of the world because we're a star stuff after all, 855 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,400 Speaker 1: you know. I I don't know. You're right. Maybe our 856 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,239 Speaker 1: odds don't look good, but I think there are there 857 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,839 Speaker 1: are older pieces of I'll you know what, I'll take 858 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,920 Speaker 1: a page from l. Ron Hubbard's book and call it 859 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 1: cognitive technology. Uh. The Socratic method is an excellent way 860 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: to explore differing opinions. Of course, it takes time. A 861 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,160 Speaker 1: lot of people don't have it, and a lot of 862 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,120 Speaker 1: people when you're in an argument online, I don't know, listeners, 863 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 1: if you ever played this game as kids where you 864 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,160 Speaker 1: were like you had invisible guns, do you remember this 865 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,960 Speaker 1: this game? Oh, we're gonna pick two sides or whatever. Um. 866 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,120 Speaker 1: So the the the thing that happens with that is, 867 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,879 Speaker 1: you know, like if we're playing this, if you if 868 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 1: you're not in a family like yours met and you're 869 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,400 Speaker 1: playing with invisible guns, one thing you'll notice is a 870 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,799 Speaker 1: lot of people say, oh, I got you, and then 871 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 1: some it is like, you know you didn't. That's what 872 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 1: that's what internet argument is. It's imaginary bullets, imaginary weapons, 873 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,680 Speaker 1: and people are expecting to play the honors system on 874 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,040 Speaker 1: who got shot. So of course I don't think it's 875 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,719 Speaker 1: gonna work out. But these are things to keep in mind. 876 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 1: And we would like to hear what you think about 877 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,839 Speaker 1: the strange ways in which our brains deceive us and 878 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,359 Speaker 1: force us to think that we are living in a 879 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,319 Speaker 1: different era. And the the way in which one of 880 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,160 Speaker 1: the main conspirators in your quest for any factual thing, 881 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:42,000 Speaker 1: any truth, maybe an inside job, maybe the person in 882 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,680 Speaker 1: in between your ears all along and it's not your fault. 883 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,759 Speaker 1: These are processes older than civilization. Yeah, we need to 884 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,400 Speaker 1: find a way to suppress the amygdala, Ben, but I 885 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,680 Speaker 1: feel like that's a terrible that would be an awful 886 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,279 Speaker 1: world to live in. Oh, I don't know. I'm sure 887 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: people have conducted experiments like that. You know, we we 888 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,080 Speaker 1: do know that it does change brain function when you 889 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,839 Speaker 1: reduce electrical activity in one part of the brain, even 890 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,160 Speaker 1: using an external source like uh t dcs, right, which 891 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,120 Speaker 1: still is somehow it's not illegal, right, But no one 892 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,480 Speaker 1: will sell me one. I'm gonna have to just build one. 893 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 1: Can do it. I'm probably gonna give myself brain damage, 894 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,200 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna do it anyhow. Oh and listeners, if 895 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 1: you know of a tc at T DCS device, please, 896 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,400 Speaker 1: uh yes, send one our way, right on our way. 897 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,719 Speaker 1: But before we go, it's time for some feedback and 898 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:41,240 Speaker 1: some listener mail. Listening, mail listening. Man, Now it's time 899 00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,560 Speaker 1: for listening, all right. So we had a lot of 900 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:49,359 Speaker 1: feedback from our political conspiracy episode, and we had some 901 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,759 Speaker 1: different views that we wanted to share with share with 902 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,960 Speaker 1: everybody else listening. And there were also a couple of 903 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,279 Speaker 1: things that I wanted to amend or corrections, which which 904 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:04,240 Speaker 1: we're grateful for all of these. So Kelly M. Wrote 905 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: into us, and I'm gonna read a portion of this 906 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,800 Speaker 1: letter because I want to take a look at this. 907 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,600 Speaker 1: Uh Kelly's talking specifically about the part where I kind 908 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,240 Speaker 1: of went on a rant about my own personal opinion, 909 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,719 Speaker 1: which again Noel especially thank you for pulling me off 910 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,120 Speaker 1: back from the allege on that one so Kelly Kelly 911 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,880 Speaker 1: says she likes the show. Uh. I don't usually have 912 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,319 Speaker 1: a reason to write endo podcast, but something was said 913 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,400 Speaker 1: during this episode that frustrated me. I apologize if it 914 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,320 Speaker 1: was corrected later in the podcast. Felt the need to 915 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: stop and write the email before finishing the podcast because 916 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,279 Speaker 1: I was afraid I forget if I waited. It was 917 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,399 Speaker 1: stated that there should be a law that if someone 918 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,440 Speaker 1: in your immediate families and politics, you cannot hold the 919 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,919 Speaker 1: same or similar office. I think that's just what was said. 920 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,480 Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. My problem with this is 921 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,520 Speaker 1: that the way it was discussed in the podcast was 922 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,319 Speaker 1: from a very white male viewpoint. Historically, those who hold 923 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,799 Speaker 1: political office have been white men. Not in all parts 924 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,760 Speaker 1: of the world, but you know, certainly US, Canada, Western 925 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,920 Speaker 1: Europe for sure. So if the proposed law were an 926 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,080 Speaker 1: actual law in this country, it would disproportionately affect women 927 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,879 Speaker 1: who are seeking public office. It would be much more 928 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,799 Speaker 1: difficult for the goal of a fifty fifty representation in 929 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 1: the House and at White House, et cetera to actually happen. 930 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,719 Speaker 1: The women who are using familial connections to get into 931 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,799 Speaker 1: these positions of power are paving the way for other 932 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:31,279 Speaker 1: women who do not necessarily have these connections. While I 933 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,880 Speaker 1: agree with that family dynasties do not line up with 934 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,399 Speaker 1: the idea of America being a metocracy meritocracy, let's be real, 935 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:43,040 Speaker 1: can we really call America a meritocracy anymore? And I thought, 936 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,719 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's just a piece of Kelly's letter. 937 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,400 Speaker 1: But we talked about this off air, and I wanted 938 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:54,600 Speaker 1: to bring this to the rest of our audience. You know. Um, 939 00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,840 Speaker 1: Here's here's what I'm thinking. I over apply to this 940 00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,200 Speaker 1: directly because it is my opinion. It seemed is that 941 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,239 Speaker 1: the argument is that the evil of nepotism is a 942 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,400 Speaker 1: lesser evil in comparison to, uh, the greater evil of 943 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:14,399 Speaker 1: misogyny and prejudice against women in positions of power or equality. Right. 944 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,000 Speaker 1: But the assumption I see here is that there's this 945 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:24,160 Speaker 1: idea that by virtue of being women, uh, people who 946 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,280 Speaker 1: are women and are elected via nepotistic or elitist means 947 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:33,719 Speaker 1: will inherently or inevitably or necessarily help someone who is 948 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,160 Speaker 1: outside of that circle. I don't know. That's a lot 949 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:41,680 Speaker 1: like trickle down economics. So I while I see, I 950 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,720 Speaker 1: see the opinion, I respect it, I'm a little um, 951 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,840 Speaker 1: I'm a little more skeptical of how that how well 952 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,560 Speaker 1: that would work. But again, one of the things that 953 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,759 Speaker 1: everybody pointed out, including uh, Matt and nol on the 954 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,120 Speaker 1: podcast when I talked about this and everybody on YouTube 955 00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,560 Speaker 1: comments were like, well, I see are you going with 956 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,480 Speaker 1: this law then? But there's no way to enforce it. Yeah, 957 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,480 Speaker 1: so it's somewhere at a moot point. Well, and I 958 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:11,080 Speaker 1: and I slightly in in after thinking about it for 959 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,680 Speaker 1: a long time, I slightly disagree with the law, But 960 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,439 Speaker 1: I was going to put forward one that you had 961 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 1: talked about before that I think is even better. What's 962 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:25,200 Speaker 1: that one? Then? Instead of elimining eliminating nepotism through familial means, 963 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,720 Speaker 1: I think we just eliminate the ability to to hold 964 00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,600 Speaker 1: office if you have ever been in a secret society. 965 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember that one. That was one of 966 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,280 Speaker 1: those three laws. What do you think of that now? Um? 967 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 1: Kind of on the fence, you know, and depends on 968 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,840 Speaker 1: how much weight you put behind the particular secret society. 969 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,719 Speaker 1: And what is a secret society any society which is 970 00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:54,240 Speaker 1: made secret from the public in membership and or in duty. Okay, 971 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,799 Speaker 1: it seems fair. I get go with that one. Uh. 972 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,760 Speaker 1: Also we have a another we have another slight correction 973 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,160 Speaker 1: here I had said, and I think this was me. 974 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,279 Speaker 1: We talked about the difficulty for felons to vote in 975 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:12,440 Speaker 1: the US. It is not true that no felons can 976 00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,319 Speaker 1: ever vote in US elections. It is true that goes 977 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,720 Speaker 1: state by state. There are eleven states which do not 978 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,480 Speaker 1: allow which which are pretty much do not allow felons 979 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,240 Speaker 1: to vote. However, there are two states that have unrestricted 980 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,680 Speaker 1: voting for felons. Those are main and Vermont, where felons 981 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,360 Speaker 1: can vote in prison. Nice work, Vermont. I did not 982 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:38,120 Speaker 1: know that. And the person to help illuminate us uh 983 00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,680 Speaker 1: and hopefully you as well listeners with that uh, with 984 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,600 Speaker 1: that slight correction is Drew Richards, So you get a 985 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,600 Speaker 1: shout out as well. Drew, thank you so much for 986 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,120 Speaker 1: your time and thanks for checking out the show, and 987 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,200 Speaker 1: even more importantly, thanks for keeping us honest. And one 988 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,959 Speaker 1: last mention here, I wanted to say thanks to Kelly 989 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,040 Speaker 1: d for putting us onto the Democracy Now episode called 990 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,720 Speaker 1: Dark Money, that's kind of a deep dive into the 991 00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,960 Speaker 1: Koch brothers and where that money goes and super PACs 992 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,840 Speaker 1: and stuff. It was. It was cool, right, Uh no, 993 00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,800 Speaker 1: and you got anything else? I think I'm good? Guys, 994 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,720 Speaker 1: All right? Uh well, we are going to head off 995 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,640 Speaker 1: and argue with each other, old school, the old school 996 00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,720 Speaker 1: way in real life. I'm already shaking my fist at you. 997 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,280 Speaker 1: You are you are? And did you know there's Matt 998 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's some evidence that shaking your fists and 999 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 1: this sky like that are holding it and that Darth 1000 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,280 Speaker 1: Vader pose increases pain tolerance. Story for another day. I'm 1001 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,840 Speaker 1: gonna try that out later today. Yeah, try it out 1002 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,320 Speaker 1: today and report back and let us know if it works. Oh, 1003 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:38,800 Speaker 1: you know, I do have one thing, but what's up? 1004 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,520 Speaker 1: You know that we had Julie Douglas on a couple 1005 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,520 Speaker 1: of weeks ago last week talk about the stuff of life, 1006 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,040 Speaker 1: and the show has launched in an episode that just 1007 00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,480 Speaker 1: came out today. 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