1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Day Bakut podcast. Good morning, It's Thursday, 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: the third of July. I'm Caroline hepkea in London. 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 3: And I'm Stephen Carol and Brussels coming up today. The 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 3: UK Prime Minister offers belated support for his chancellor after 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 3: images of Rachel Reeves's crying in Parliament sparked a market convulsion. 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump suggests House Republicans could pass his 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: multi trillion dollar tax cut and spending bill later today. 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 3: Plus till Wealth do us part. While the UK Supreme 10 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 3: Court's decision to back a former UBS banker in a 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty three million pounds divorce battle could 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: have far reaching consequences. 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 2: Let's start with the roundup of our top stories. 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 3: The UK Prime Minister, Kier Starmer says Rachel Reeves will 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 3: stay on as Chancellor for many years to come. The 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: comments come after Starmer failed to back reeveses and in 17 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 3: Parliament yesterday, creating a scene as a visibly upset Chancellor 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: was sitting behind him and appeared to be crying. Starmar 19 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 3: later spoke to the BBC's Nick Robinson. To express his 20 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 3: full support for Reeves and say her tears were not 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 3: about politics. 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 4: It was a personal matter for the Chancellor, and I've 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 4: been absolute clear with You've got nothing to do with politics, 24 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 4: nothing to do with any discussion between me and Rachel, 25 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 4: nothing to do with the matters of this week. She'll 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 4: still be chancellor by the time this interview's broadcast in 27 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 4: full in a few years, be chancellor by time this 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 4: is broadcast, would be chancellor for a very long time 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 4: to come. Because this project that we've been working on 30 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 4: to change the late pod, to win the election, change 31 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 4: the country, that is a project which the Chancellor I've 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 4: been working on together. 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: So yes, Kers Starmer there speaking to BBC Radio four 34 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: is Political Thinking podcast. Starmar's latest difficulty has come only 35 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: a day after he had to make a humiliating U 36 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: turn on his government's flagship well Fare Bill. Tomorrow, the 37 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: Labor government will market its first year anniversary since winning power. 38 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: Well Keir Starmer's words of support last night came too 39 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: late for markets. Global bond inverse has reacted swiftly to 40 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's earlier failure to back his chancellor from 41 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: the dispatch box in Parliament. Thirty year guilt yields surged 42 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: nineteen basis points, the biggest jump since April, as stocks 43 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: slid and the pound tumbled. The sharp moves come as 44 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: traders speculated that Starmer may try to plicate his labour 45 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: MPs by replacing his chanceller with someone more open to 46 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: increase spending and borrowing. This as the government faces a 47 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: widening fiscal hole ahead of the autumn budget, driven by 48 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: a five billion pound climbed down over Starmer's flagship welfare 49 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 2: reforms and a one point two five billion pound reversal 50 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 2: on winter fuel payments for pensioners. 51 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: A new survey of central bank manager says the weaponization 52 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 3: of foreign exchange is becoming a growing headache. Bloomberg's Ewan 53 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: Parts has the details. 54 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 5: Almost half of central bank managers around the world now 55 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 5: say the geopolitical weaponization offex reserves is an investment risk 56 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 5: for them. The finding comes from a UBS survey of 57 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 5: nearly forty central banks completed last month, and those citing 58 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 5: weaponization was up sharply from just fourteen percent two years ago. 59 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 5: Ubsa the concern is a key factor driving central bank 60 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 5: purchases of goals, which it says is much safer from 61 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 5: being targeted by sanctions in London, I'm you In parts 62 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 5: of Bloomberg Radio. 63 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: President Trump says that the House is ready to vote 64 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: tonight on his Big Beautiful bill. In a post on 65 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: truth Social Trump said that he had meetings with Republican 66 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: congressional members and that they are united. But despite the comments, 67 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: House Republican leaders have struggled to find the final votes 68 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: to advance the President's multi trillion dollar tax and spending package. 69 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: Republican con Gusman Jim Jordan says that while holdouts may 70 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: have genuine concerns, they should still vote for the bill. 71 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: I hope it passes. I think it will, and frankly, 72 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: I think it should because this is a good piece 73 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: of legislation. I always say, you know, it's a good 74 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: piece of legislation because the Democrats hated so much. They 75 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: don't like it, because it actually empowers families by you know, 76 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: let them keep more of their money, giving them school choice, 77 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: making sure our border stays secure, and make ingable body 78 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: people in our wellfer system. 79 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 3: Now have to work. 80 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 2: Representative Jim Jordan of Ohio there the White House so 81 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 2: far hasn't been entertaining changes to the bill to win 82 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 2: over House Republicans. If changes are made to secure a majority, 83 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 2: it would then force the Senate to vote again on 84 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 2: the bill, blowing President Trump's fourth of July deadline and 85 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: adding weeks of potential delay to his flagship measure. 86 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: The Trump administration has lifted curbs on chip designed software 87 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: sales in China as Washington and Beijing implement a trade 88 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 3: agreement for both countries to ease restrictions on critical technologies. 89 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: US Commerce Department informed the world's three leading chip design 90 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: software providers that they no longer need government licenses to 91 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 3: do business in China. Ziemans says it has restored full 92 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 3: access to its software and technology for Chinese consumers, while 93 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: Synopsis and Cadence say they're in the process of doing so. 94 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 3: It's part of a deal to ease restrictions introduced during 95 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 3: the escalation of trade tensions after Trump's so called April 96 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: Liberation Day. 97 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: President Trump has also announced a trade deal with Vietnam. 98 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: It includes a twenty percent tariff on Vietnamese exports to 99 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: the US and a forty percent levey on goods deemed 100 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: to be transshipped through the country. In return, Trump said 101 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 2: that Vietnam had agreed to drop all levies on US 102 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: imports following weeks of intense diplomacy. In a social media post, 103 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: he said there would be zero tariff on US products 104 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: sold to Vietnam. Greta Pish, who is former General Counsel 105 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: to the Office of the US Trade Representative, said that 106 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 2: the agree raises a number of questions. 107 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 6: You know, the devil will be in the details, as 108 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 6: they say, the truth social post by the President was 109 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 6: pretty broad brush. It will be interesting to see, you know, 110 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 6: are all products treated the same? Are these across the 111 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 6: board tariff treatments? Are there any non tariff barriers that 112 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 6: are addressed? 113 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: Gotta Paish. Speaking there to bloombergs, Joe Matthew and Kaylie 114 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: lyons as the deal with Vietnam risks provoking retaliatory steps 115 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: on China. Ran A Sajedda from Bloomberg Economics rights that 116 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 2: Beijing has made clear that it would respond to deals 117 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: that came at the expense of Chinese interests. She as 118 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 2: the decision to agree to a higher tarif on goods 119 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: quote trans shipped through Vietnam would fall into that category. 120 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: Those are your top stories on the markets. The MSCI 121 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 3: ASH Specific Index this morning is trading two tenths of 122 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 3: one percent higher. Eurostos fifty futures are currently up by 123 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: two tenths of one percent as well. Looking at the 124 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: currency markets, the pound, after weakening yesterday down at the 125 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 3: tenth of one percent today at one thirty six twenty seven. 126 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 3: That's as the Bloomberg Dollar Spot Index is a tenth 127 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 3: of one percent higher. We'll be watching very closely to 128 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: see how guilts open up today after we've had that 129 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: statement of support from the Prime Minister for his Chancellor 130 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: Rachel Reeves yesterday, just as a reminder of the tenure, 131 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: guilt shield sixteen basis points higher four point six one percent, 132 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 3: the thirty year yield nineteen basis points higher. Today in trading, 133 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 3: US treasuries are at dinner basis point at four point 134 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 3: two six on the tenure. 135 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: Well, in a moment, we'll bring you more on the 136 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: future of the UK Chancellor Rachel Reeves, plus what we 137 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: learn from a Supreme Court ruling in a divorce case 138 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: involving a former UBS executive that in a moment, look, yes, 139 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: dam's pretty extraordinary when it comes to UK politics. Having 140 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: said that, we'll get into the details. Maybe we should 141 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: talk about something a little light at Wimbledon, cheering us 142 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: all up. But Lisa are still some home favorite, some 143 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: Brits in contention, Stephen. 144 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed. And there's also some people are making massive 145 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: amounts of money out of this event as well, as 146 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: I've learnedly about fitting reporting from our colleagues Elliott Burne 147 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: and Jamie Nimmo have been talking about the Wimbledon debentures, 148 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 3: which are these essentially season tickets is a fancy term 149 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 3: for season tickets, as you buy a five year stretch 150 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: of a good seat on Center Court and Number one court. 151 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: And the one perk perhaps that I didn't know about, 152 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: is that when you have one of these seats, you 153 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 3: can sell the tickets to the days you can't go. 154 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 3: They're the only exchangeable tickets available for Wimbledon, and that's 155 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 3: become so profitable because of the amount that you can 156 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: sell them for that Actually, these debentures are now being 157 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: treated as a tradeable asset. People are buying them for 158 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 3: seasons to come and then selling them on at massive markups. 159 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 3: So the current ones for the period from twenty twenty 160 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 3: six to twenty thirty are changing hands at over two 161 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 3: hundred thousand pounds. That's a profit of about seventy five 162 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 3: percent of what people had played from the originally. Apparently 163 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 3: this is a lot of US buyers really interested in 164 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 3: these premium seats. You also get access to the lounges 165 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: and the VIP areas as well. But also good for 166 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 3: the club as it's in a way that they can 167 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: invest on things. 168 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: You know. 169 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 3: The retracting roof over Center Court was something that was 170 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 3: paid for by these dementsire fees as well. But it's 171 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 3: certainly a hot market this time of year. 172 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 7: Yeah. 173 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 2: No, they've always been a tradeable asset, haven't they for 174 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: a long time, the dimensions, But yes they are super 175 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: popular and yeah you get to swan in and swe out, 176 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: don't you. So you can see the appeal maybe one 177 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: summer day AnyWho. That's one of the pieces that we've 178 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 2: been reading about and thinking about this morning for you. 179 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: But as I say that, the politics was dramatic yesterday 180 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 2: for Britain, the UK Prime Minister now saying that Rachel 181 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: Reeves will stay on as Chancellor for many years to come. 182 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: This after the bond markets sell off yesterday, you saw 183 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: the guilt yield, the guilt curve steepened pretty dramatically because 184 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: of the speculation about her future. So let's bring in 185 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 2: our UK politics were brought to James Wilcock today what 186 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: happened yesterday that spooked the bond markets in such a 187 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 2: big way? 188 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 8: James, Well, appearances mass are in politics and so yesterday 189 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 8: prime Minister's questions the first day after a major humiliating 190 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 8: you turn from Stamer. He has his Deputy Prime Minister 191 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 8: Andrew in the left and his chancell Rachel Reeves on 192 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 8: the right as a way of showing support the whole 193 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 8: bench in front of them. But instead what we and 194 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 8: the guilt markets were treated to was this bizarre scene 195 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 8: where the Prime Minister carries on answering these questions while 196 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 8: his chancellor is visibly upset and a couple of points 197 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 8: shares a few tears as the session goes on, with 198 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 8: the Leader of the Opposition, Kenny Badenock at one point 199 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 8: questioning if she would still be in office as Chancellor 200 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 8: by the time in the next election, and then Starmer 201 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 8: refusing to answer that question. And what's interesting to me 202 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 8: is the U turned themselves on Tuesday and Welfare didn't 203 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 8: actually seem to scare or spook the markets, but at 204 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 8: the moment of the markets watching this kind of tearful exchange, 205 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 8: they clearly thought something was wrong in the chancery and 206 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 8: also with Number ten, and the sell off started from there. 207 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 3: James, what can we say on Thursday morning about Rachel 208 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: Reeves's position. We've had these reassurances now from the Prime 209 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 3: Minister care of Starmer. 210 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, various spokespeople have been out in the 211 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 8: afternoon saying there was absolutely no risk at all to 212 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 8: the chance to position. They said it was a personal 213 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 8: issue that was nothing to do with the politics. A 214 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 8: few MPs spoke to Bloomberg and said there's also an 215 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 8: issue going on with the Speaker. But then it's very 216 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 8: hard to sort of ignore that this came immediately after 217 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 8: this very serious downturn in sort of the government's fortunes 218 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 8: after the welfare decision, I think, after Starmer's had his 219 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 8: second going out and back in the chance from the 220 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 8: later few the BBC over night, Let's see how the 221 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 8: market's open this morning for guilts. But the questions Number 222 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 8: ten will be asking themselves this morning are if someone 223 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 8: else is going to do that job as a chance 224 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 8: to what realistically is going to change about both the 225 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 8: government policy and the UK fiscal position. Reeves is quite 226 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 8: widely seen by the market, says the most market friendly 227 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 8: chance that Labor have on offer effectively at the front bench, 228 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 8: although there are betting odds going now on Cabinet Office 229 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 8: Minister Pat McFadden and Home Secretary of At Cooper. Anyone 230 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 8: who comes in is going to face the same sort 231 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 8: of fiscal set of problems. And the downside for Starmer 232 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 8: is Rachel Reeves has been a core central I can't 233 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 8: stay it enough part of his political project. She has 234 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 8: been the sort of name on the tin for fiscal 235 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 8: stability and credibility for this Labor government and losing her 236 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 8: would be one of the most serious negative symbols of 237 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 8: his administration. One can imagine. 238 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were in lockstep, as the Prime Minister has 239 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: talked about in trying to woo the city and speak 240 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 2: to investors and represent UKPLC. But as you say, it's 241 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: the fiscal challenges that the UK government is facing that 242 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: you know will perhaps hear more on at Mansion has 243 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: and then in the autumn budget. 244 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 8: I think the question now for the Labor Party as 245 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 8: a whole, because as we're finding out from this week, 246 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 8: the MPs increasingly have a large amount they want to 247 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 8: say about the direction of the party is who is 248 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 8: the winner here is Reaves the chance for physical credibility 249 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 8: and this week has been a major setback for her 250 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 8: on the welfare spending or is it labor and ps 251 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 8: and their bids for changes to two child benefit caps, 252 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 8: further pushers on welfare and willingness to have wealth taxes 253 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 8: in the autumn as well. The normal arbiter of these 254 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 8: things is the Prime Minister, Kids Starmer. He's set to 255 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 8: speak later this morning. I think many people in both 256 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 8: the markets and wider Westminster politics will be watching to 257 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 8: see where he comes down on those two decisions. 258 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 3: Okay, James Wilcock, a UKA Politics supporter, thank you very much. 259 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: Well, there's another story here in the UK that we 260 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: want to talk about today. This is the Supreme Court 261 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 2: which has ruled that a former UBS executive can hold 262 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: on to the majority of his one hundred and thirty 263 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: feet million pound wealth. This after a court ruling on 264 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: his divorce. Clive stand who was the CFO at the 265 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: Swiss Bank, has been embrailed in a more than five 266 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: year long dispute with his former wife Anna and our 267 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: legal reporter Luca de Powley, joins us Now for more 268 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: on this story. Look at why did this fight go 269 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: on for so long? 270 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 7: I guess the simple answer is that there was so 271 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 7: much to fight over. Not all divorces are worth taking 272 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 7: all the way to the Supreme Court and incurring all 273 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 7: those fees. But this is a divorce where one of 274 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 7: the assets up for grabs was this huge farm in 275 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 7: Australia which had nearly five thousand cattle and about five 276 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 7: seven hundred marino sheep. So it's worth paying all of 277 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 7: these expensive lawyers to go and fight for them. There's 278 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 7: also a few sort of thorny legal issues that were 279 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 7: at play here and particular circumstances which made it which 280 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 7: made it worth fighting over. 281 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 3: Basically, so what did the Supreme Court decide? 282 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: Then? 283 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: How are the assets going to be di up? 284 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 7: So at the heart of this dispute there is about 285 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 7: eighty million pounds worth of assets which were transferred from 286 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 7: Clive Standish to his wife Anna in twenty seventeen, not 287 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 7: long about three years before the marriage really began to 288 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 7: fall apart. The whole point of the transfer was to 289 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 7: avoid paying inheritance tax so that they were to die, 290 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 7: it would be put into a trust. His wife was 291 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 7: a non domicile tax payer, so that meant that they 292 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 7: wanted to do this. A lower court ruled that effectively 293 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 7: all of those assets were a joint part of the 294 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 7: marriage because they had been quote unquote matrimonialized to borrow 295 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 7: return from the judges ruling the main source of the 296 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 7: wealth might have been the husband, but once it had 297 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 7: been gifted to the wife, then it was to be 298 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 7: split fifty to fifty. The Supreme Court ruling goes against 299 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 7: that and says it's important what the source of the 300 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 7: wealth was, but also what the intention was. The intention 301 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 7: was to gift the assets to it would be better 302 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 7: for their children, not to benefit Anna Standish, And as 303 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 7: a result, the husband gets a much large share of 304 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 7: the divorce settlement than the wife. The wife only ends 305 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 7: up with twenty five million pounds. 306 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: But it's also why it's an interesting ruling, isn't it 307 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: that idea of the kind of sourcing of the wealth. 308 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: But also, I mean, we know London is a setting 309 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: for a lot of these high net worth divorce cases. 310 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: Why do people still choose this jurisdiction to have these long, 311 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: difficult battles. 312 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 7: So I guess although this sort of case might go 313 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 7: against that, on the whole, London's a really good space 314 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 7: for the non earning spouse, much better than a lot 315 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 7: of other courts around the world. So if you're looking 316 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 7: to take a case, London is a great place to 317 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 7: do it from that reason. I mean, the largest divorce 318 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 7: settlement we've had in London was four hundred and fifty 319 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 7: million pounds, so that was to the non earning spouse, 320 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 7: So I mean that's a huge part of why we 321 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 7: do here. There's also a load of lawyers here who 322 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 7: are set up to do this kind of stuff, and 323 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 7: a lot of a lot of billionaires in Mayfair who 324 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 7: fall out and then have to go and argue the 325 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 7: stuff at the High Court. 326 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 3: Look At what does this ruling mean for other divorce 327 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: cases in the UK? Will it have wider ramifications? 328 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 7: So I guess. So, I guess it's kind of hard 329 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 7: to imagine how something with one hundred and thirty three 330 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 7: million quid might affect a broader group of people. But 331 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 7: there's sort of practice of trying in your marriage to 332 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 7: avoid incurring too much tax is something that people probably 333 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 7: do quite frequently. I mean a lot of people I 334 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 7: know they divide up their ice allowances, which is only 335 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 7: twenty grand, not one hundred and thirty three million. But 336 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 7: so it affects that the ruling didn't bring as much 337 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 7: clarity as some lawyers are a hope. Lawyers thought they 338 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 7: might get clarity on when marital homes are matrimonialized, and 339 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 7: that didn't really come through. So the ruling kind of 340 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 7: empowers judges to look at things on a case by 341 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 7: case basis, which is important if you think you know, 342 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 7: marriages last for different lengths of time, marriages are different 343 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 7: forms of partnerships. 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