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Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema coming to you and today

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Speaker 1: is a very interesting topic.

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Speaker 2: We've been debating what to call this episode Laughing through

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Speaker 2: a Funeral, the Silver Linings of Death, Joy in the Darkness?

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Speaker 2: How do you appropriately title it? Basically, what's happened? Everybody

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Speaker 2: is and we've been a little quiet on social media

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Speaker 2: for the past week or so. We've been dealing with

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Speaker 2: some family stuff.

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison's uncle, Yeah, Uncle Ken, My uncle Ken passed

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Speaker 1: away and he had been sick for quite some time,

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Speaker 1: and so we knew the end was drawing near, and

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Speaker 1: it has and so we lost our uncle and Ken.

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Speaker 1: By the way, before we jump into kind of what

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about today, I'd love to give

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Speaker 1: him a shout out, just because he meant so much

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Speaker 1: to all of us, not only as a family, but

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Speaker 1: to the community of Dallas Fort Worth. He owned this

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Speaker 1: my favorite word habitat sariye Kin's man Shop in Dallas, Texas.

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Speaker 1: It's been around for decades and decades.

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Speaker 2: If you're in Dallas, the shop is there, run by

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Speaker 2: his son Corey, now alive and thriving, it is where

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Speaker 2: Chris Harrison got his suit and all of his groomsmen

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Speaker 2: suits for our weddings.

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Speaker 1: And over the years, coolest store throughout the years on

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Speaker 1: The Bachelor of Bacheorette, you saw a lot of Kin's

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Speaker 1: Man Shop clothes on the show, only the good ones.

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Speaker 1: And it was a place that meant a lot to

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Speaker 1: us and a man that meant a lot to us

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Speaker 1: because of spending so much time there. Again, my dad

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Speaker 1: worked there, my uncle worked there other than my uncle Ken,

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Speaker 1: So it was a big family thing. And now I'm

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Speaker 1: really excited my cousin Corey has taken over and the

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Speaker 1: legacy will continue. And they are alive and well they're

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Speaker 1: at Preston Royal in Dallas. So if you're ever in Dallas,

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Speaker 1: swing by Kins. But Ken passed away. And this is

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Speaker 1: the Jewish side of my family. And it is a

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Speaker 1: very very interesting too. We could break this down into

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Speaker 1: a lot of things. When there is a death in

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Speaker 1: the Jewish family, there is a and this happens in

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Speaker 1: other religions as well, but definitely a big rallying around,

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Speaker 1: families come together. It's what we do, very tribal, and

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Speaker 1: it's what we did. And the interesting thing that you

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Speaker 1: and I were talking about, is is it okay to

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Speaker 1: almost enjoy some of this stuff?

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Speaker 2: That was what I think we kept struggling with. Now

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Speaker 2: I will say, of course, the loss of Ken is

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Speaker 2: so sad and sad for his kids is wonderful kids,

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Speaker 2: Corey and Theresa and Daniel. And one beautiful thing about

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Speaker 2: it was they had some time he had been ill,

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Speaker 2: and they also had some time in hospice to make

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Speaker 2: some beautiful memories with him. And I think anytime there's

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Speaker 2: like this is an extra layer, because the first layer

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Speaker 2: is anytime there's loss, I'm a big believer, like you

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Speaker 2: have to be able to laugh at the tough moments,

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Speaker 2: and you should because when someone's passing, you also wanted

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Speaker 2: to try to celebrate their life. And they shared these

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Speaker 2: great stories of like customers from the store who came

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Speaker 2: the store. Is like just like he was like a

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Speaker 2: with everyone he worked with in the community. But the

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Speaker 2: second layer is, can you like find some additional joy

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Speaker 2: in just being around your family.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I'm the youngest of seven grandchildren, so

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Speaker 1: I have six cousins and we all drop everything to

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Speaker 1: We talk or you know, we find you know, we

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Speaker 1: and my other aunts and uncles, that part, honestly, was lovely.

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Speaker 1: It reminded me of Passover in many ways, of all

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Speaker 1: coming together, which we do, you know, every year for Passover.

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Speaker 2: And but you know what, but not necessarily if you're

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Speaker 2: being honest, Yeah, we haven't lately here, No, I mean

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Speaker 1: Oh, you start adding generations, don't you. You have your say,

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Speaker 1: So now we have three generations. Those kids grow up,

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Speaker 1: Everyone's going in different directions, and jobs get important at

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Speaker 1: and alive. So there are as you said, there is

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Speaker 1: a silver lining too, when something is so definite, so

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Speaker 1: important that we all just drop everything because it just

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Speaker 1: has to be. There are no excuses, You just drop

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Speaker 1: it and you all show up. That's what death is.

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Speaker 2: After this couple of days together as a family, I

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Speaker 2: am now on group texts with your cousins that I

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Speaker 1: Different when we were dating, right, you came dating or engaged.

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Speaker 2: It's that's true too. Your family, Oh my gosh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I guess now i'm your wife. But I think we

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Speaker 2: doing that, saying like I didn't want to say, I

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Speaker 2: had such a great time with you. It's horrible the

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Speaker 2: loss of a wonderful father and husband, but there is

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Speaker 2: a beauty. And I think we were all just finally like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was crying and there was laughter. It was

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Speaker 1: this at experience camps and you could probably articulate it better.

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Speaker 1: But and I always love your your river metaphor.

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Speaker 2: Grief is a river. It's always there, always moving, always changing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so sometimes it is laughter and it's still

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Speaker 1: It's not like Ken wasn't still front of mind for

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Speaker 1: all of us, but there was so much love in

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Speaker 1: It's you know, I still say, Uncle Ken, you brought

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Speaker 1: us all together. I was grateful. You know, I'm sad

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Speaker 1: You know that was kind of his maybe his last

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Speaker 1: think about you know, you more and your dad, and

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Speaker 1: I know you got to talk about your dad more.

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Speaker 1: And that was an interesting thing that you get to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a big thing I say about grief

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Speaker 2: And yeah, like I found myself getting emotional at different

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Speaker 1: I have a question for you. Yeah, so someone who's

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Speaker 1: So what I'm asking you is, what is the proper

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Speaker 2: Be difficult answer about this is forever, right, but ever,

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Speaker 2: you know, But but let me give you some tools.

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Speaker 2: my dad in his forties. He still wanted he was

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Speaker 2: still sad about his dad. You still want to talk

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Speaker 2: If it's Father's Day, I'm going to text the people

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Speaker 2: because that that's a tough day. Yeah, and that kind

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Speaker 2: because the little text can really uplift somebody. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of things about our phones that are rough, but

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Speaker 2: I think one good thing is the ability to show

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Speaker 1: Because I mean when I say there was you know

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Speaker 1: all telling stories about them. You still keep them alive

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