1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Fellow ridiculous historians, we return to you, uh treats in hand, 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: just like our good friends at Sweetwater with a classic 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: episode I. 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: Love war and Candy. Yeah, oh wait, no, I smell it, 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: I smell water, I smell sex, can smell sex. Yeah, 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: that's right, that was the ref got was that Marcy's 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 2: playground or just marcie playground? I don't think it's possessive. Yeah, yeah, 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 2: you might be right. You might be right. 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: It's a it's a banger, though, but we are kind 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: of talking about candy, and I think in this classic episode, 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: the infamous Toutsy roll air Drop, we also air some 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: of our opinions about scrumptious treats. 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: Is this the one where y'all gang up on me 14 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: over Almond Joy? No, that's the one we did recently. Okay, well, 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: I stand by it. All Enjoy is you're still on 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: the almonds. I'm on the Almond Joy Baby, Mounds can 17 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: take it or leave Almonds Joy, give me all you got. 18 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: Shung Wing this stand up cop that I absolutely love. 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: He has a Netflix special wherein he has an extended 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: rant about Almond Joy and Mounds, and I think that's 21 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: a person who will speak to you on a spiritual level. 22 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Allmond Joy's got nuts, mounds don't. But during 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: the Battle of Chosin Reservoir during the Korean War, the 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: First Marine Division seemed absolutely doomed. There were no nuts 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: about it. 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And a lot of times in the modern day, 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: especially people in the West, we forget just how close 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: the Korean War came to a total victory for North 29 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: Korean forces before the before the temporary peace was achieved, 30 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: the peace that exists today. The war has not officially ended. 31 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: So we're going to travel back there with you folks. Surrounded, outnumbered, 32 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: out gunned, running low on every imaginable supply, the US 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: Marines call for it air drop of AMMO, a life 34 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: saving reup, and instead of getting AMMO for guns, they 35 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: get what we could call AMMO for Halloween. They get 36 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: Totsy rolls. 37 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: Man, AMMO for the gaps between your teeth and your molars. Yeah, Tootsio, 38 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: you probably load those things up into some sort of blunderbus, 39 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: you know, shoot them at people. Those things were seriously dense, 40 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: But it turns out they were good for quite a 41 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: bit more than maybe was anticipated. And this serendipitous there 42 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: we say, fortuitous air drop mix up kind of had 43 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: a silver lining. 44 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: To it, exactly yes, and oh gosh, I look back 45 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: on this one fondly. I can't believe this was all 46 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: the way back in twenty eighteen, but it holds up. 47 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: No spoilers, folks, Let's roll the tape. Oh, can we 48 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: totsy roll the tape? Let's totsy roll the tape. Yeah, 49 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: ridiculous histories of reduction of iHeartRadio. A young hasio fellow, 50 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: ridiculous historians. Welcome to the show. That is my poorly 51 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: pronounced attempt at saying hello in Korean, or one version of. 52 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello to you, Ben. My name is. 53 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: Nolan, Hello to you Nol, My name is Ben. 54 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look at that. It checks out, And of course we're. 55 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: Joining as always with our super producer, Casey Pegram. 56 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: You know, Ben, there's one thing we did not learn 57 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: how to say in Korean. Well, there's a lot of 58 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: things we didn't learn how to say in Korean, but 59 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: one of them it's tutsi role. And I wouldn't be 60 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: surprised if maybe there was one of those phonetic pronunciations. 61 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: Your girl friend showed me the other night we were 62 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: hanging out a thing that she took back from your 63 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: trip to Korea that had a phonetic pronunciation of the 64 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: word lighter. And it was just three characters, and it 65 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: was Laja tour, I believe, which is nonsense in Korean, 66 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: nonsense in Korean. So I'm wondering if maybe there's a 67 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 2: similar thing for tutsiro. 68 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: So why are we saying hello in Korean today? 69 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't do my homework. Can you 70 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: help me out? 71 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: You know? 72 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: Surely? Well we were talking about, you know, the topic 73 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: is related to Korea and a particular conflict that took 74 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: place in Korea that I was woefully under educated about. 75 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: And I know Ben that you probably were more educated 76 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: about this particular situation than me. So why don't you 77 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: give us maybe your background and why this might be 78 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 2: the case. 79 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: Right, Noel, you and I before we went into this episode, 80 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: I think we both knew a little bit about the 81 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: conflict called the Korean War here in the States. 82 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, just mainly from watching reruns of Mash. 83 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: Is Mash Korean War. I really I am not a 84 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: mash Burt. 85 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 86 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 3: People always think it's about Vietnam because it was on 87 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 3: during Vietnam, but it is in fact about the Korean War, 88 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: even though it was kind of quote unquote also about Vietnam. 89 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:18,559 Speaker 1: Casey on the case. So thanks for teaching me about Mash, Guys, 90 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: I hear. It's a great show. I've just never seen it. 91 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: Did you ever watch it? 92 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? I didn't watch it a time, but I watched 93 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 2: it enough to learn a little bit about the Korean 94 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 2: War and also to know that the theme song of 95 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: Mash actually has lyrics in the movie, and it's a 96 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: very sad song. 97 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 4: Yes, suicide is painless. It's a wonderful song. It's beautiful, 98 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 4: but it's sad. Yeah, beautiful is probably a better word there. 99 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 4: So the Korean War, which is also called the Liberation 100 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 4: War in some places, was waged between nineteen fifty to 101 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 4: nineteen fifty three June nineteen fifty to July nineteen fifty three, 102 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 4: a war between what we now call the DPRK or 103 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 4: North Korea and the ROK or South Korea. And it 104 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 4: was a proxy war because there was support on the 105 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 4: North Korean side from Russia and there was support on 106 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 4: the South Korean side from the US. 107 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: It's because it was basically the Imperial spoils of the 108 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: Second World War where Japan lost their territory, which was Korea, 109 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 2: and so the US and Russia kind of had to 110 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: split it up between themselves. So the US reluctantly were 111 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: sort of in charge of South Korea and Russia Communist 112 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: Russia was in charge of North Korea, and so it 113 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: created this divide between communism and democracy. 114 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, this is a very much a Cold War 115 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: esque conflict. 116 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: I think it's considered the first step that led to 117 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: the Cold War, right. 118 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in some ways it is because this was 119 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: still this is what we would call a hot war, 120 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: because there were actually weapons of war being waged. But 121 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: it very much was a symptom of this ideological conflt 122 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: that would later determine so much of geopolitics for decades. 123 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 1: And we could get I don't know if we should 124 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: get too far in the weeds on that one, because 125 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: this is kind of the backdrop for our story, but 126 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: I guess we should point out this war, in a 127 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: very real way, never actually ended. And if you go 128 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: to Korea today, you will if you visit the capital city, Soul, 129 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: you are very close to the de Militarized Zone or DMZ. 130 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: Didn't you do that thing, Ben, Yes, yeah, I did. 131 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: I went recently to the Republic of Korea and then 132 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: visited the DMZ, which. 133 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: Is a weird place. 134 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: It was a weird place, but it's a physical, tangible 135 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: reminder that this war, although it may sound like it 136 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: was ancient in the nineteen fifties and stuff, it still 137 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: affects the people on the peninsula and in the larger region. 138 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: I guess we didn't really fully get into what the 139 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 2: conflict was. We talked about how the US and Russia 140 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: inherited the Koreek Korea from Japan, but the Russian backed 141 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: I guess you could say North Korea actually invaded South Korea. 142 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: And that's what kicked off this big ideological battle because 143 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: the US as opposed to, you know, practicing appeasement or 144 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: something like that, because this wasn't really they didn't really 145 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: even want South Korea. It was just something they were 146 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: kind of like saddled with because of, you know, the 147 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: outcome of World War two, and they looked at this 148 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: as not just an invasion into something that they responsible for. 149 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: They looked at it as the potential match that would 150 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: light the world on fire with communists. 151 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: Right. 152 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, So this Cold War conflict results in Korea being 153 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: split into two separate states on the peninsula. But the 154 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: problem is both of those governments consider themselves the sole 155 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: legitimate government of the entire place, so they look at 156 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: the other government not as an equal separate state. They 157 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: look at it as this regime that should be toppled 158 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: as soon as possible. 159 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: And that was with under Kim Il Sung right. 160 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: Right, Kim Il Sung, the first Supreme Leader of North 161 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: Korea from its establishment in nineteen forty eight. The conflict 162 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: when it occurs becomes a war of attrition. At first, 163 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: North Korea is whipping the South Korean forces like all 164 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: the way down to Busson and Soul. Over the course 165 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: of the conflict changes hands multiple times. Eventually, when the 166 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: fighting actually ends and they sign an armiscice, they make 167 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: this DMZ line along the thirtieth parallel, but they never 168 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: signed a peace treaty. So even today as we record this, 169 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: technically the two nations are still at war, even after 170 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: the fall of the USSR. 171 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: And ben What was it like to visit to be 172 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: in that DMZ zone. Didn't you have to watch some 173 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 2: kind of propaganda video. Yeah, that also explos how it 174 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: was an amazing bird sanctuary. 175 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the only part of the tour I was 176 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: not like I didn't have the option of skipping. So 177 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: you see a couple of different places. You see an 178 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: observatory tower, you see the train station that could ship 179 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: people or transport people directly to the capital of North Korea. 180 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: And you go down a very steep tunnel, an invasion tunnel. 181 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: There are three or four that are discovered, but there 182 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: are multiple other ones suspected to exist. 183 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 2: And you see how the. 184 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: Tunnel was constructed through the DMZ and it's not a 185 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: comfortable walk, but estimates say they could carry thirty thousand 186 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: plus people through there to invade Seoul. But the one 187 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: part of the tour you cannot skip is at least 188 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: our tour guide tell us you couldn't is after you 189 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: get out of the tunnel, Chicken is a very very 190 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: steep walk. You have to watch about an eight to 191 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: ten minute propaganda film from the South Korean side, the 192 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: rok side, about how great the DMZ is for migratory 193 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: birds and biodiversity, which is actually that's true, and you 194 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: know it's got the whole nine of every propaganda movie 195 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: you can imagine. You can see that, like the hands 196 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: from opposite sides of the screen clasping each other, like 197 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: that meme that's so popular nowadays. And it's strange because 198 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: I was expecting propaganda from the North Korean side. I 199 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: was surprised how much exists on the South Korean side. 200 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: There's still very much a conflict. And today's episode takes 201 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: us back to when that was a hot war, not 202 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: just an armistice. So Noel, our story today concerns those 203 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: two things we mentioned. We talked a little bit about Korea, 204 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: but we teased at the top of the show Tutsi rolls, 205 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: and this is something where I wanted to check on 206 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: our mutual americanisms. I feel like for all three of us, Casey, 207 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: you and myself, tutsi roles seem like a very well 208 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: known thing. 209 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 3: Right. 210 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: Are they a US famous candy or a world famous candy? 211 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 2: You know that's a good question, Ben, I don't know. Well, 212 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: just to be. 213 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: Safe, we can give the quick and dirty. Tutsi rolls 214 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: were invented by a guy named Leo Hirshfield, who sold 215 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: them out of a Brooklyn candy shop before he sold 216 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: the idea to a group called Stern and Solberg. 217 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: And that could actually be an episode unto itself, because 218 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 2: there's a really intense, kind of tragic ending to that story. 219 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 2: And there is a lot of hot debate as to 220 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: whether he invented the candy and then sold it to them, 221 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: or if it was the other way around. He also 222 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: invented or he had several patents for different candy making equipment, 223 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 2: but he also this is probably my favorite name of 224 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 2: any product ever. Yeah, he invented a type of gelatine 225 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 2: that was pre jello called Bromangelon. 226 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: Bromangelon, which I think would be great on a T 227 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: shirt and a great nickname for one of those not 228 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: just nicknames like Brusve. 229 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Bromangelin I'm gonna use that. But anyway, a 230 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 2: point being, if you don't know what it's zero is, 231 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: where have you been. They're not that good. They get 232 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 2: stuck in your teeth. I'm not a huge fan, but 233 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: they are very tightly wrapped in these little you know, 234 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: with the ends and the little bow ends on the side. 235 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 2: You can also get them in like a stick form. 236 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: You know. They're much larger, and they're kind of the 237 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: candy that you got at Halloween that you would rather 238 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: have gotten something else. 239 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: For me, they were acceptable, They were passable Halloween candies. 240 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: Anything was better than that orange and black wax paper taffy. 241 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: Do you guys remember that Casey is nodding. He is 242 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: so tired of that. 243 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gross. 244 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 3: It's like the last stuff you eat, and you do 245 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 3: eat it, but it's the last thing you eat and 246 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 3: you feel gross afterwards. 247 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: And that's been Casey on the case part too. We're 248 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: doing them in installments now, which is important because when 249 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: you take them all together, it creates a whole picture. 250 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: And we're going to syndicate these onto other shows. We're 251 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: just not going to tell the other shows. Casey will 252 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: pop in and hopefully it'll make sense. But Tutsi rolls, 253 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: which you know which I think you're right, are a 254 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: story all their own. Tutsi rules were also valuable, not 255 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: just as Halloween candy, but as World War Two rations 256 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: because just like you said, you know how, they're individually wrapped, 257 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: they have a very high temperature tolerance. It's pretty much 258 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: like chocolate wax almost, and they were seen by Uncle 259 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: Sam as a source of quick energy because they also 260 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: would remain edible for a long period of time. 261 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: When you say energy, we're just basically talking like sugar, right, Yeah, 262 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: just full of sugars. There's no other nutritional value in 263 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 2: tutsi rolls. 264 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: No, No, they're not part of a balanced diet. But yeah, 265 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: it was a burst of energy kind of thing. And 266 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: there are stories you would find about how tutsi rolls 267 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: helped soldiers, like how there was actually some fire behind 268 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: the smoke. One story is of a pilot whose plane 269 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: was shot down over the Sahara Desert and survived for 270 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: three days just on tutsi rolls. But today's story is 271 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: much less anecdotal, much more provable, and it's about a 272 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: group of Marines who were in a particular battle in 273 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: the Korean War. 274 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that battle was called the Battle of Chosin Reservoir Chosin, 275 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: which is also called chang Jen. This was one of 276 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: the first campaigns of the Korean War. It was called 277 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: the Chinese People's Volunteer Army, and they got involved because 278 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: they felt like American troops coming in to North Korea 279 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: was in some way encroaching on their territory. And I 280 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: was a little foggy as to why that was, because 281 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 2: it didn't seem like they necessarily had an axe to 282 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: grind in this particular war, and yet they made their 283 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: troops available to help the North Koreans. Yeah. 284 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: So Chinese sources refer to this battle as the eastern 285 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: part of the Second Phase Offensive. They entered the conflict 286 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: to infiltrate, as you said, part of North Korea. We 287 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: know that they were under the command of Song Shi Lun, 288 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: who had been ordered by Mao Zedong to destroy the 289 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: United Nations forces. We have to keep in mind that 290 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: at the time this was the United Nations was a 291 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: part of this conflict. There were I think thirty thousand 292 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: United Nations troops here and about one hundred and twenty 293 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: thousand Chinese troops who were essentially attempting to eradicate the 294 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: United Nations. But no, there's an article you found that 295 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: goes into a little bit more detail about this. 296 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah, it's true. It's from a site called Inquiries 297 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: Journal dot com. It's an article written by Bang Ming 298 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: Tzu for the Journal of Interstate Affairs and it was 299 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: reposted on this increased Journal site, and it basically says 300 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: the historians believe that the Communist Party, the Chinese Communist Party, 301 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 2: was really making preparations in Taiwan to unify China because 302 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 2: it had been fractured, its economy was in shambles because 303 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 2: of World War Two, and most scholars agree that the 304 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: reason they got involved in this North Korean conflict was 305 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: because they looked at the potential of an American invasion 306 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: of their country as being on the table. If they 307 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: successfully invaded North Korea and did this, you know, were 308 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: able to stem the tide of communism as it were. 309 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, the communist capitalist confrontation. To a lot of the 310 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: leadership of China at the time, this was seen as inevitable, 311 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: and China and the US were seen as natural enemies 312 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: by the leadership of China at that time and probably 313 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: by more than a few senior officials in the US. 314 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: So this battle was looking terrible for the US side. 315 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: First off, they are drastically outnumbered. Secondly, the area that 316 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: they're in, chang Jin, or Chosen as it's often called, 317 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: was just brutal. It was terrible. The temperature was around 318 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: negative thirty fahrenheit yikes. Yeah, And because they were outnumbered, 319 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: surrounded by one hundred and twenty thousand Chinese troops, as 320 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: we said, which seemed like a death sentence and the 321 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: US Forces. 322 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 2: Oh we should say who they were specifically. Yeah, they 323 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: were the first Marine Division of the US X Corps. Yeah. 324 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: So they put out this request for mortar shells to 325 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: be delivered via air drop because again, they can't get 326 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: them through land sources. They're surrounded. But the problem was 327 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: the problem was they didn't want to go on an 328 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: easily interceptible line of communication and request mortar shells because 329 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: then the enemy forced would know. 330 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: So they had to use a code word, yeah, which 331 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: we've been harping on at the beginning of this episode, 332 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: and he might have been wondering why, and it was 333 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 2: tootsi rolls. It was tootsiras toutsi rolls was the code 334 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: word for these particular types of mortar shows. But unfortunately, 335 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 2: the person that intercepted that request, he didn't have his 336 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: like handy dandy code book translator with him or something. 337 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: And you think that'd be one that people would know though, 338 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: you know. 339 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: Right, mortar show requests would have been not uncommon, right, 340 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: I guess not. 341 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm confused as to why this guy was so confused. 342 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 2: But confused he was because he did, in fact call 343 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: in an air drop. 344 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, He panicked because he was like, I don't know 345 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: what they're asking for exactly, but they said it was urgent, 346 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: like life or death. So he calls in this air drop, 347 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: But what exactly drops from the air there? 348 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: Noel, Yeah, And it's not clear exactly how many were talking, 349 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 2: but it was a must have been a quite large 350 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: shipment packed I'm picturing it like parachuted down, packed in 351 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: like wooden crates of actual facts, tutsi. 352 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: Roles, palettes, multiple palettes, yeah, exactly, and the troops, instead 353 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: of completely losing all hope, they said, well, we let's, 354 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, let's see what we can do with these, 355 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: which just sounds such like such a terrible situation. You're 356 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: surrounded by more than one hundred thousand people who want 357 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: you dead. Yeah, you request some sort of ammunition, and 358 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you get palettes of Halloween. 359 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: Can you know? When I first started looking into the story, 360 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: and it reminded me a lot of the episode we 361 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: did about the US naval men who threw potatoes at 362 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 2: the Japanese submarine. Yeah, yeah, submariners by the way, Mariner, 363 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: thanks everybody, thanks, right, And yet there is a superhero 364 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: named the sub mariner. So yeah, you know, I don't know. 365 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: I think that's where we were both coming from. 366 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 2: I think that's exactly where coming You never. 367 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: Understood why that guy has wings on his feet. 368 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: He does? Yeah, is he kind of the precursor to Aquaman. 369 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: I can't remember who came first, but I would say 370 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: the main differences are that nay more the submarine or 371 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: sub mariner can fly, So I guess that's why he 372 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: has the wings on his feet, and Aquaman can speak 373 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: with the creatures. 374 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 2: Of the deep. He's like the Doctor Doolittle of the sea. 375 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good way to put it. 376 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 2: So I'm picturing them just like chucking these these tutsi 377 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 2: rolls at the enemy, the Marines, not the submarin. No, No, 378 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: that'd be strange. Both would be pretty strange. But no, 379 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: that's not what they did. They decided to get a 380 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 2: little bit more crafty with it. They had a hard 381 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 2: time because of the sub zero temperatures cooking their food 382 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: and eating their food up, and so they were actually 383 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: able to, like your story earlier about the pilot who 384 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 2: subsisted on tutsi rolls for a long time, they were 385 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 2: able to use their bodies to get these tutsi rolls 386 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 2: to warm up to a more pliable, you know, edible, 387 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: edible state, and then eat them. And they would also 388 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: you know, they could do that in their mouth or what. 389 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure why they used their bodies. 390 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: Do you put it in your armpits? You can still 391 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: do stuff, probably too, Yeah, well, war as hell, war 392 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: as hell. 393 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: Not only that, though, they were able to do some 394 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 2: other pretty clever stuff with them too. 395 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's absolutely right. So not only would this 396 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: stuff become pliable when it was warm through body heat 397 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: or in someone's mouth, but it would quickly freeze when 398 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: it left that warm environment. And so they found these 399 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: marines found that they were able to get a tutsi 400 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: roll pliable and then use it as a type of 401 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: makeshift weld. They were able to patch bullet holes in vehicles, 402 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: They were able to patch hoses other equipment. Now this 403 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: is over a period of two weeks. This battle the 404 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: Chosen Reservoir and the fifteen thousand men the Division of 405 00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: Marines did not leave unscathed and where Kia killed in action, 406 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: six thousand were wounded, and thousands had you know, terrible, terrible, 407 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: terrible frostbite and they were living on Tutsi rolls because 408 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: I believe all the other food was just frozen solid, correct, 409 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: that's right. So you have to wonder if it's a 410 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: function of the extreme temperature that allowed a Tutsi role 411 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: to be so useful there, because ordinarily, like if we 412 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: were if we were in a less frigid environment and 413 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: we tried to patch a hose with a Tutsi role 414 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: that we had chewed on, like, that wouldn't work, right, clearly. 415 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 2: Not, I would think. 416 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: Not. 417 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 2: Okay, So all that's pretty rough, But there's good news 418 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 2: because they did persevere and they were able to stave 419 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 2: off the enemy forces, and despite those casualties and those injuries, 420 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 2: they ultimately survived. A group of them known henceforth as 421 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: the Chosen Few. Get it, c Hosi n oh I 422 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: didn't even catch that pen you got, I didn't know. 423 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't. Uh. Yes, So they did. 424 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: They did manage to survive, and not only to survive, 425 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: but to emerge victorious, and they returned to the US 426 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: lauded as heroes. And you know what, the Tutsi Rule 427 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: Company had to love this. 428 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd think, so, I'm sure do you think they 429 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 2: capitalized on it in their marketing materials. 430 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. 431 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: I didn't find anything indicating that that would be a 432 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: missed opportunity, though for sure maybe they felt it was 433 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 2: too exploitative. Well, it's sort of like the potato story 434 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: where the Idaho Potato Growers Association or whatever totally made 435 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 2: a plaque about it the main potatoes. Excuse me, the 436 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: main potatoes. 437 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so, well, maybe they thought it made their candy 438 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 1: look bad. There's also that. 439 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: That's true that it was like the last possible thing 440 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 2: you would want to eat. And it's literally, you know, 441 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: you are dying in the frozen waists and you use 442 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: their product to plug bullet holes keep them in their armpits. 443 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: And yeah, just to I just said, I think that's 444 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: it because it's kind of like with a you know 445 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: how a lot of soda due to the bicarbonate and 446 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: it can dissolve things. It's like if someone used Coca 447 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: cola to dissolve something in the midst of war. I'm 448 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: sure Coca cola wouldn't be like, hey, drink this thing 449 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: that can You know, people. 450 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 2: Used to like clear the corrosion on their battery terminals, 451 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 2: right right, No, No, not a good look. 452 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,239 Speaker 1: So it is a good look for these guys when 453 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: they return. Although the Tutsi roll Company does not, for 454 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: one reason or another, capitalize on this story. In the US, 455 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: people were impressed these folks have used what side note 456 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: here was Frank Sinatra's favorite candy? 457 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't he like buried with a bunch of them? 458 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: Do you think it was a palette? Yeah? I don't know. 459 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: I remember we were reading that in a great article 460 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: on Tutsi Rolls by Jeff Wells. Jeff mentions that Old 461 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: Blue Eyes himself was buried Tutsi Rolls cigarettes a lighter 462 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: at a bottle of Jack Daniels. But we digress to 463 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: get back on the rails. These guys returned to the US, 464 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: As we said, they are lauded as heroes, and they 465 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: were I don't know, nowadays largely forgotten. This is somewhat 466 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: of an obscure story, but people still remember it. 467 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 468 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 2: Well, in twenty eleven in South Bend, Indiana, they actually 469 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: did a recreation of this event at the Southwest Michigan 470 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: Regional Airport, which is in Benton Harbor, So I guess 471 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 2: that's near South Bend. This was reported in the South 472 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: Bend Tribune, and a guy named Don alsbro is, the 473 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: president of a veterans group called Lest We Forget, was 474 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 2: in charge of this event and they organized an air 475 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: drop where thousands of Tutsi rolls were dropped on the 476 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 2: airport to commemorate that day during the Korean War. And 477 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 2: Alsborough himself was part of this team, the unit, and 478 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 2: he was actually handed a medal by President Eisenhower himself. 479 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: And he says in this article that Eisenhower told him 480 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: you must have a body of steel. So you know. 481 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: Steel, it's like in terms of durability, it's just under 482 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: Tutsi roles, I believe. 483 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, And this guy is the real deal in terms 484 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 2: of heroism. He had already been injured by a grenade 485 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: and then while one of their machine gun squad leaders 486 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: was getting treatment, medical treatment, another enemy grenade got lobbed 487 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: at them, and this guy smothered it with his own body. 488 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 2: Oh one of those, yeah, yeah, and he survived. And 489 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 2: that's where you must have a body of steel comment 490 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 2: came from. 491 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: And so we conclude our tale, the strange story of 492 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: Tutsi roles in the Korean War. It seems as if 493 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: we're generating kind of a theme here a running series 494 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: on food in war, But I'm fine with that. You know, 495 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: I think this is an interesting topic. We hope you 496 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: think it's an interesting topic too. Let us know if 497 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: you'd like to hear an episode about the surprisingly somber 498 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: origin story of Tutsi roles. But the show's not over yet. 499 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: We were talking earlier off air, and you know what, 500 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: we're over due for NOL a little listener mail. 501 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 2: Our first letter comes from Kelsey and it has to 502 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 2: do with farts, which is one of our favorite topics 503 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 2: of all time. So it says, Hey, Ben and Noel 504 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: and Casey. As a longtime listener of the show, I 505 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: felt I had to reach out to you after the 506 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: episode on rolland and professional Farting. I do historical re 507 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: enacting and have a tendency to listen to podcasts while 508 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: working in sewing dresses. While you were having Casey translate 509 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 2: Roland's names from French, it reminded me of one of 510 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: the biggest mysteries and historical costuming. Help me with this, 511 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: Casey the peton Laire, The peton Laire, Casey on the 512 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: Case third installment mid Listener Man segment within a segment. So, 513 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: the petentlaire is a traditional French court dress worn in 514 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 2: the eighteenth century. It is essentially a large gown with 515 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: a fitted bodice that is jack at length and is 516 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 2: the shortened version of the robe a la frances casey lajo. 517 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: You've got closer casey on the case. 518 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: That's never gonna happen for me. However, no one seems 519 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 2: to know where the name comes from, as petent lais 520 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 2: roughly translates to fart in the air. I can only 521 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: imagine the name came from a very embarrassing moment in 522 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: court and the name stuck. Anyways, I'm a huge fan 523 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 2: of the show and thought you might enjoy some more 524 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: flatulence related history. Kind regards, Kelsey. 525 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for writing in, Kelsey. We love a 526 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: good historical mystery and this is something that maybe we 527 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,959 Speaker 1: can also refer to our colleagues on our peer podcast Dressed. 528 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we're overdue to have them as guests. 529 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, we could definitely bring them on for a segment. 530 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: Maybe we could do one on fact any stuff. So also, 531 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: I really appreciate any good fart joke. I was close 532 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: years back when I was doing brain stuff things for 533 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: audio and video. I was terribly close to becoming the 534 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: fart Guy, and I was very hesitant to talk about 535 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: farts at first. 536 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: Leaving the fart. 537 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: Guy, I was doing a lot of fart science fart material. 538 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going blue. You need to be like 539 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 2: mister Methane, remember him. 540 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think mister Methane's got his own lane. I 541 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: think we should let him be him. I don't want 542 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: to take that away unless there's but you know what, 543 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: if there's a Sergeant Sulfur out there somewhere, you can 544 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: write to us. We'll give you some aritime we'll record 545 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: you separately. We have another letter from someone who's been 546 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: writing to us pretty frequently, and that is a Umi, 547 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: who lives in Japan, I believe, and is an English teacher. 548 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: Umi says, hello, gentlemen, after an episode where you both 549 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: pronounced port manteau or port man two in the way 550 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: that you were called out on before, I made a 551 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: Twitter poll out of curiosity, because as I am an 552 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: English teacher, I'm incredibly aware that a lot of words 553 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: have multiple acceptable pronunciations. Also, your podcast was not the 554 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: only one in which I heard this pronunciation. Here are 555 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: my results. So Umi has posted this on Twitter, and 556 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: there's one Portman two spelled two and then Portmanteau spelled 557 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: t ow And did you just see. 558 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: This null de oh? I did, yeah, And first I 559 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 2: was at my heart set on us being vindicated. 560 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: So the two, the Portman two got fourteen percent of 561 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: the votes and Portmanteau got eighty six percent. Now, she continues, 562 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: she had seventy two people vote. She says, seventy two 563 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: votes is not a huge sample size, but if I 564 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: remember correctly from high school statistics class, it's enough of 565 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: one to say that you are not inherently wrong. Pronounce 566 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: an import man too, So you can go either way. 567 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: Have an excellent day regards Ayumi. And this got me thinking, 568 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: you guys, we should do more polls. But you know, 569 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: we can go onto our Facebook group it's true, and 570 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: do do polls to our heart's content. 571 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 2: I think we should. And the name of that Facebook 572 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: group is the Ridiculous Historians, where you can join, become 573 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: a member, and get in on all the polling fun 574 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 2: the future polling. There isn't any there yet, not that 575 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 2: we know it. Soon. You can also send us email 576 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 2: where we are ridiculous at HowStuffWorks dot Com and you 577 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: can you know, do the regular Facebook page if you want, 578 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 2: which is just ridiculous history on Facebook. I think we're 579 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 2: on Twitter's ridiculous history as well. And Instagram and all 580 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 2: the stuff. 581 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: All the hits, all the good ones, all the good ones, 582 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: and some of the weird ones. We'd also, of course 583 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: like to thank our super producer, Casey Pegram and our 584 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: research associates Christopher Hasiotis and needs, Jeff Goat. 585 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 2: Oh and let's lest we forget Alex Williams, who can 586 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 2: post our theme. No. 587 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: Uh, I'm not completely sure how to say goodbye and Korean, 588 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: but I think you I think the same casual hello 589 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: is the same casual goodbye. 590 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 2: So on Youngs. 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