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Speaker 1: Star Wars. Welcome back to another edition of the Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I

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Speaker 1: am joined by a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Greg Rosatal. What's up, boys, Hey, dam

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Speaker 1: That definitely wasn't Mark's opinion. I can tell you that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was my favorite drop yet. But Mark produced a

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Speaker 1: sour face. Well, the the new Star Wars number one,

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Speaker 1: it's not not the name of it, but like anyone

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Speaker 1: the Force awakens. But I'm not some TD like sci

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Speaker 1: fi nerd. But it's the first movie that I saw

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Speaker 1: with my dad, as I've stated before, and so it

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Speaker 1: has a meaning to apologize. No, no, but I can

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Speaker 1: see that something was absolutely missing from the childhoods of

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Speaker 1: others I said downstairs, you know, I've I sometimes draw

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Speaker 1: criticism in certain circles, whether it be in the newsroom

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Speaker 1: where on Twitter for being a hater of the Star

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Speaker 1: Wars franchise. I'm not I just can't avoid it, and

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Speaker 1: that gets little annoying, but at the same time, which

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Speaker 1: But I don't judge people for it. I do. I

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Speaker 1: want to make that yes, you do, not really And

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Speaker 1: you know the the new Rocky movie coming out, Creed.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of like my Star Wars. Uh, something I'm

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Speaker 1: new Star Wars when you think about it, too. Dormant

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Speaker 1: franchise that are trying to relaunch to a new generation

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Speaker 1: create that looks good. Well, one is taking place in

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Speaker 1: the world where humans exist, and the other has you know,

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Speaker 1: men dressed up funny robot outfits and like animal you

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Speaker 1: know skins and what. Well, Greg, I realized that you

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised by your commentary. Both movies came out

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Speaker 1: um Welcome Back to Another around the NFL podcast, our

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Speaker 1: second in two days. I love it. Uh, this will

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Speaker 1: Eleven game week, twelve games excuse me, that are not

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Speaker 1: being played on Thanksgiving Day, so we previewed on Tuesday's show.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you check that out. You haven't yet the

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Speaker 1: three games on Thanksgiving Eagles, Lions, Panthers, Cowboys, Bears, Packers.

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Speaker 1: But guess what thirty two teams. No teams. I'm buying

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Speaker 1: three games played on Thursday, which means thirteen games to

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Speaker 1: accident kind of went away like like, uh, what's that movie? Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm blowing up your affection affectation change. That was more childlike, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you really blew. You're not gonna come up with it.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna hot me for the rest of the show.

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Speaker 1: It's a uh, you know, it's some actors where they

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Speaker 1: had eighteen, but the listeners came through, you know, pinging

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Speaker 1: us with different songs that we've overlooked. Uh so it's

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Speaker 1: up to it's a hit machine, so the next thriller.

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Speaker 1: That's how I look at it. We can't make any

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Speaker 1: money off it. I was gonna say, could it be

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Speaker 1: the next thriller? For the minor fact that it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's not us producing the songs or singing, right, I guess,

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Speaker 1: just in terms of how it can grab the culture. Okay, God,

431
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Speaker 1: just not let go for a period as a phenomenon. Yeah,

432
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Speaker 1: not just months but years. Well, it feels a good

433
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Speaker 1: modern day thriller where really we did nothing artistically other

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Speaker 1: than pick songs. That's kind of how things blow up

435
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Speaker 1: versus back then. It was handcrafted Alban album Wire to

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Speaker 1: Wire hit by Michael Jacks. It's taken. It's really catching on.

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Speaker 1: I was doing it. I was over at NFL Now

438
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Speaker 1: and the researcher over there, Colleen. They were listening to Corona,

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Speaker 1: which is really the song of the around the NFL

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Speaker 1: podcast every Man. Does the researcher have a name mark?

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Speaker 1: Just testing testing every man status? Okay, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you had a no eye contact policy with the

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Speaker 1: research Well, I didn't know if our listeners would really have,

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Speaker 1: you know, know who Mark was. Plus it's confusing. I

445
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Speaker 1: don't think it's that confusing. But there's Mark, the research

446
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Speaker 1: guy that you were talking to, Sessler, the common man.

447
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Speaker 1: He has a last name Mark, It's Mulari. Yeah, I

448
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Speaker 1: thought it was dulgar. There you go. And he is

449
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Speaker 1: the one who suffered through about a thousand now hits

450
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Speaker 1: last year when we were in the studio one on

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Speaker 1: one with host. He had to sit in the corner

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Speaker 1: and listen to all that nonsense. So he's done a

453
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Speaker 1: lot of hard work. Alright. I like Dan trying to

454
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Speaker 1: come at me with the common man rankings. Give me

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Speaker 1: a break, Get back in your stright and you put

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Speaker 1: on your fancy back in the truck, go drive up

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Speaker 1: and down the Eastern Sea. We are less than twenty

458
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Speaker 1: four hours from Thanksgiving, and all there isn't here is

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Speaker 1: heat and controversy. Yeah, that's like a lot of families,

460
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Speaker 1: four guys, four different cars after they should have seen

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Speaker 1: some of the Thanksgivings with my family. Grow moving on

462
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Speaker 1: in a big a f C game here between the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills at five and five and the Kansas City

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Speaker 1: Chiefs at five and five. Uh, you know, two different situations.

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Speaker 1: Though the Bills continue to be an up and down team.

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Speaker 1: They you know, listen, in my opinion, kicked away a

467
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Speaker 1: chance to knock off the Patriots on Monday night. Um,

468
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Speaker 1: and they now face the Chiefs team that is now

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Speaker 1: five and five after winning four straight games, and they've

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Speaker 1: looked damn good doing it. They're kicking butt in these

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Speaker 1: games as well, so it's hard to win Mark in Arrowhead.

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Speaker 1: It's even harder to win when that team, the home team,

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Speaker 1: is playing as well as the Chiefs right now. This

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Speaker 1: may be one of the better matchups because you've got

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Speaker 1: Kansas City's defense, which is creating turnovers, stopping the run,

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Speaker 1: shutting teams down, hurting quarterbacks. And you've got the Bills, which,

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Speaker 1: despite what we just talked about with Sammy Watkins, lead

478
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Speaker 1: the league and big play touchdowns which are plays of

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Speaker 1: over yards with sixteen and six of them on the ground.

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Speaker 1: They they remain one of the more electric offenses in

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Speaker 1: the league when they are healthy, and they are healthy

482
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Speaker 1: right now for the most part, so this should be fun.

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Speaker 1: But they haven't been that offense for what three weeks

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Speaker 1: and they've been healthy. I mean, since Tyrod Taylor is back,

485
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Speaker 1: the last two weeks has been as his worst two

486
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Speaker 1: games of the entire season. And it feels a little

487
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Speaker 1: bit like Ryan Fitzpatrick maybe even you know, worse that

488
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Speaker 1: that the early excitement in the bloom is kind of

489
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Speaker 1: coming off the roads. And you see this with a

490
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Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks. You have five or six good games

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Speaker 1: and then teams figure out what to do. I think

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Speaker 1: the Jets put sent a lot of pressure towards Tyrod

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Speaker 1: Taylor and the Bills offensive line, and they didn't know

494
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Speaker 1: what to do with it. They kept Taylor in the pocket.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what the Patriots did. They blitz a lot

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Speaker 1: more than they usually do, and Taylor really struggled. Have

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Speaker 1: we found a way to put the bloom back on

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Speaker 1: the Rose yet, No, because it's off. It's off. We

499
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Speaker 1: rode off Alex Smith earlier in the year and he's

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Speaker 1: been playing pretty well. But this defense, they have an

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Speaker 1: average margin of victory of twenty three points over the

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Speaker 1: last four games. They haven't allowed more than eighteen points

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Speaker 1: since October four in a game. The Chiefs are the

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Speaker 1: better team in this game. They're one of the best

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Speaker 1: teams in the NFL over the last month. Well, one

506
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Speaker 1: thing that helps, they have not turned the ball over

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Speaker 1: four weeks. I don't know how they did it, but

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs managed with their one in five start to

509
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Speaker 1: kind of make themselves interesting. Well, they would have been

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Speaker 1: ranked about thirty one two on my least interesting, you know,

511
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Speaker 1: on the most interesting teams. But just because they started

512
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Speaker 1: one in five and they lose Charles and then they

513
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Speaker 1: just start blowing teams out, I'm in. I'm intrigued by them. Well,

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Speaker 1: they'll be the first team since the playoffs if they're

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Speaker 1: one in five, but they feel like they have a

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Speaker 1: good chance because of how crappy the a f C

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Speaker 1: is in general. This is the a f C equivalent

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Speaker 1: of the Falcons Vikings. I don't think it's quite that

519
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: big game, but whoever was really? You think so bigger

520
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Speaker 1: because these two teams are actually pretty good and the

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Speaker 1: Falcon stink about a loser goes home match. Right here,

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Speaker 1: it's got the tiebreaker involved. Now with this game, well,

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Speaker 1: Buffalo will go home to Buffalo, oh like in jent

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Speaker 1: like physically, yeah, we'll get on. They'll probably packed after

525
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Speaker 1: the game, get on a plane. Flights. That's not like

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Speaker 1: exactly what I was getting at. But you're not wrong. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're probably not wrong either. This is how we have

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Speaker 1: an alliance. This is the two the two teams that

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Speaker 1: are most likely to make us donate to a local

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Speaker 1: charity by the way, the Chiefs and the Bills. There

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Speaker 1: there are many teams out there, but I would put

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Speaker 1: these two at the top of the list. Also, two

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Speaker 1: teams that have been letting down their fan base consistently

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Speaker 1: for thirty years almost So yeah, I'm not quite ready

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Speaker 1: to see one of them surge into the spotlight. Uh

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Speaker 1: we Uh where we go with that game? Uh? That

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Speaker 1: was the buff Low Bills contest against the Chiefs. We

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Speaker 1: were just talking about. Wow, we all took the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: We're in lockstep this week. Yeah, moving on. The Miami

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Speaker 1: Dolphins are four and six. That's the bottom of the

541
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Speaker 1: AFC East, but again in the muddled wild card picture,

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Speaker 1: they're still in the mix. But they gotta win on

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Speaker 1: Sunday and guess what they got a matchup that could

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Speaker 1: be to their advantage. The New York Jets playing awful

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Speaker 1: football for a month now. Uh, not a great home team,

546
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Speaker 1: never really have been, so this is not a game

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Speaker 1: where you should look at the Dolphins as heavy underdogs

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Speaker 1: by any stretch. Uh, this is a coin flip game. Again.

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Speaker 1: I'm I I picked the Jets every week. I just

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Speaker 1: can't help myself. I always do um. But doesn't mean

551
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: I started think they're gonna win. The only thing I

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Speaker 1: have going for me is Ryan fitz Patrick keeping his

553
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: job over Gino, which was absolutely the right move, and

554
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: trimming his beard a little mojo shift. Yeah, I gotta

555
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Speaker 1: do something. You also have the fact that Coples too,

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Speaker 1: you know, shake things up a little bit. Yeah, that

557
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Speaker 1: was the That was the juice needed to change in

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Speaker 1: New York. And this is the Quentin Copal's Bowls. Did

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Speaker 1: you see the report that Rex tried to claim him

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Speaker 1: on waivers too. I am the least surprised person ever.

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Speaker 1: But he wasn't awful in his first three years with Rex.

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Speaker 1: He I mean, he had sixteen and a half sacks.

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Speaker 1: He had between five and six sacks every season, so

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Speaker 1: he wasn't, you know, a total bust. But he just

565
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Speaker 1: wasn't a fit with Bowls And I really, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think he sent the message by dumping a former first

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Speaker 1: round pick. This was the hardest game for me to

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Speaker 1: pick this week just because of how bad the Jets

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Speaker 1: have been lately and I don't trust the Dolphins offense.

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Speaker 1: I do think the Dolphins defense is playing pretty well.

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Speaker 1: Rashad Jones, I think it's been the best safety in

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Speaker 1: the NFL this season. Tim used to play well. I

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Speaker 1: end up picking the Dolphins in this game. Um, I

574
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Speaker 1: just don't know what the Jets are right now? What

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Speaker 1: are they? Dan? I used to think I knew what

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Speaker 1: they are, but now all that stuff is out the

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Speaker 1: window because they're running the ball consistently and there defense

578
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Speaker 1: isn't creating turnovers anymore. In the secondary isn't shutting down

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Speaker 1: passing games. And we don't even know if the Jets

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Speaker 1: led to roll revs. Uh. He's not practicing as of

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Speaker 1: this taping. He has a concussion, and Todd Bowles seemed

582
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: to indicate there's a real chance he's gonna miss this

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Speaker 1: game on Monday when he said that he hadn't made

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Speaker 1: any progress at all from Sunday to Monday. So that

585
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: is something to watch. Fryan Tannehill can take advantage of anything,

586
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Speaker 1: which I'm not certain he might have a chance to

587
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Speaker 1: go against a secondary without revs especially against a team

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Speaker 1: that has one receiver. Jarvis Landry isn't a top five

589
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Speaker 1: NFL receiver, but he's having a great season. And the

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Speaker 1: fall off from Landry to the next guy, who, I

591
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Speaker 1: guess is what Kenny Stills, Kenny Shard Matthews has not

592
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Speaker 1: been in the mix lately, Kenny Steals is sneakily having

593
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Speaker 1: a horrible season. Yes, uh, they're frustrating lye boring all around.

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Speaker 1: Sue is playing well, Vernon's playing well or he played

595
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Speaker 1: well last week. Jones is playing well. Grimes is a

596
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: good player, but other than that, not much. Might be

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Speaker 1: surprised Greg to know that Richard Matthews has more yardage

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Speaker 1: than Landry and and he's averaging fifteen point four, so

599
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Speaker 1: he's basically better across the board, has twenty less catches,

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Speaker 1: but every other statistic he's who do you think is

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Speaker 1: a better player and is having a better better But

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Speaker 1: you are overstating how good he is. You said not

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Speaker 1: even top five, He's not even a top probably fifteen

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Speaker 1: or twenty receivers. I think he's their clear number two.

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Speaker 1: And as we know, with the Jet secondary, if you

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Speaker 1: can get beyond Revas, even rivas wasn't a guarantee against Houston,

607
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: but I look at that as an anomaly. Uh, you

608
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Speaker 1: can have some fun against Antonio Crimardi and company. I mean,

609
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Speaker 1: the best quarterbacks do their best work in inside the division.

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Speaker 1: And Tannehill hasn't been an an f C East team

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Speaker 1: all year. And it's not just him, it's what's around him.

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Speaker 1: I guess on offense, but for me, the key You

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Speaker 1: look at New York's you said it, Dan like you

614
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: look at New York's run totals from game to game.

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Speaker 1: They were dominant, dominant early in the season, putting a

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Speaker 1: huge totals, which was a great formula for their quarterback situation.

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Speaker 1: Now they're it's completely dried up. One thing to keep

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Speaker 1: an eye on. The last It was actually Joe Philman's

619
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Speaker 1: last game as an NFL head coach. It was the

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Speaker 1: last time these two teams met, and Chris Ivory went

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Speaker 1: nuts in London, just ran all over this team. They

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Speaker 1: need Ivory to get back to being that guy, or

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Speaker 1: they have shots like he's not healthy and he's almost

624
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Speaker 1: never been healthy. Shouldn't be a surprise. He can't count

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Speaker 1: on him to be healthy. That's on the Jets. He

626
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: has not been healthy since. Uh, that first carry against

627
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Speaker 1: the Patriots since high school has never been the same.

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Speaker 1: If the Dolphins though in this game, I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is Dan. I don't not that we think Dan Campbell's

630
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Speaker 1: gonna keep but Dan Campbell has to win a division

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Speaker 1: game or else there's absolutely no chance he keeps the

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Speaker 1: job next year. There are only other division game left

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Speaker 1: on the schedule is against the Patriots. Do you really

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Speaker 1: think there's a chance he's keeping his job anyway? If

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Speaker 1: he won nine games, so he'd have to go on

636
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: a run. Yeah, I think if he got if he

637
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: went four games over five as a coach, he came in,

638
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna go get a Shanny new Well, he's that does.

639
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: Fergie is one of the owners. I know that's uh,

640
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: Serena Williams, Fergie, Serena, Mark Anthony. This is an organism.

641
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: Remember they thought that was gonna bring them like a

642
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: lot of buzz and attention. That'll get the South Florida

643
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: crowd to go to the games. This is an organization

644
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: that firmly believes in entertainment over football skill. Fabio Ricky Martin, Well,

645
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: you know what, they got a new guy right on

646
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: the show. His name is mikey t Mike Tannenbaum fan

647
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: of the program, and he bring in Quentin Copel. So

648
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: we drafted that's gonna turn the whole friend he's been

649
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: on the program? Was that sane Hill contract? Looking right now,

650
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: I would say friend of the program. Maybe I don't

651
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: think he's listening regularly. Well, friend not in his current

652
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: role he was on, not anymore now we like Mike

653
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: te tweets though nice guy, he was good. Yeah to

654
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: lte grad No. I meant to mention that that's why

655
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: Greg get into that ulture of yours. Two lane Underworld

656
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: is so concerning. Uh. Next up the Oakland Raiders, who uh,

657
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: you know society was once excited about. Now society no

658
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: longer believes them to be exciting on some level. Uh

659
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: now four and six Uh fading from contention. Now they

660
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: get a gift from the football gods. You would think

661
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: the scheduling gods the Tennessee Titans on the road, but

662
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: who knows? Who knows what the Raiders anymore? You never

663
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: know who's gonna show up. And on the other side

664
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: of the bout Marcus Mariotta. He's a guy that you know,

665
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: he could take any team for a ride. He's proven

666
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: that this season, so you can't assume that they're just

667
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: gonna be terrible every week. West this seems to be

668
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: a game that I'm gonna call coin flip. Yeah, they've

669
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: sort of switched places here. Last year, Derek Carr had

670
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: the worst weapons in the NFL, to the point where

671
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: we couldn't even accurately judge him as a quarterback because

672
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: his receivers were so slow. He didn't have a running game,

673
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: and now Marcus Mariotta has. In last week's game, y'all

674
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: was doing the next Gen stets article and the Titans

675
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: didn't have a single receiver who ran a faster speed

676
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: than Anthony Fasano. Wow, they're slow moving tight end ran

677
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: faster than all of their wide receivers here. So Anthony

678
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: Fasano you could describe as sneaky athletic. You could, although

679
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would consider him one of the

680
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: league's fastest tight end. I think it's a statement on

681
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: their offense more than it is. And the running back

682
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: is one of the slowest running backs in the NFL.

683
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: There's no speed in this offense beyond their fast tight end,

684
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: Delaney Walker. This is one of those games where like

685
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: the world's gonna swallow itself up because the Titans, one

686
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: of the worst running teams bottom ten easily against the

687
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: Raiders defense that has given up five hundred and sixty

688
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: seven yards over the last three games on the ground

689
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: almost I'd run Mariota, get that guy going. They do

690
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: need to run him. Well, that's that's the thing with Mariota.

691
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: He doesn't go deep and he doesn't really use his

692
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: legs that much. So you're saying he's Alex Smith. No.

693
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: I I think he's doing the things that can help

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00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: them win the best and right now, being crazy he

695
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: and being aggressive, he doesn't have the receivers for it,

696
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: and so he's just a solid C plus B minus

697
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 1: every week he is. He's about as consistent a rookie

698
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: as as you'll ever see. He's pretty much the same guy.

699
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: But he gets in a matchup like against the Jaguars

700
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: on Thursday night, and he makes a few plays and

701
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: he doesn't make any mistakes, but he's not gonna do

702
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: enough with that that talent surrounding him to win the game.

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00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: I had the dumbest By the way, this your your

704
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: whole argument about the Titans skill position talent. The dumbest

705
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: argument on the couch at NFL now on on a

706
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: Sunday all year was they were trying to but they

707
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 1: were trying. There's more people than not. We're saying that

708
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: Mariota had better weapons than Jamis Winston. No, it was

709
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 1: the most insane thing I ever heard, based on what

710
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: player were they even pointing to? And don't I don't

711
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: know who was this I was on, I don't even remember.

712
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: That's a good answer. Uh uh not enough for the

713
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: Kevin Patrick and uh the old Zeuser took the Raiders

714
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: in this game. The rest took the Titans, and I

715
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: didn't mention it, but West had said that he took

716
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, so did Patrick. The rest took the Jets.

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00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: Moving forward, gentleman, the New York Giants are five and

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00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: five and in the NFC East. That means you are

719
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: on your way to a division title. They have one

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00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: game lead over both the Redskins and Eagles, and a

721
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: two game lead over the three and seven Cowboys. Oh

722
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: my god, what a bad division. Now they travel to Washington, UH,

723
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: looking to bury the Redskins a big game. Obviously, with

724
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: a big playoff ramifications, there will be no wild card

725
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: team coming out of this division, So you gotta win

726
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: these division games. Uh, mark your thoughts on this grid

727
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: on old school NFC East battle between two It's it's

728
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: the most confusing game of the week for me because

729
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: both of them have flip flopped wins and losses. The

730
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: Giants for the last six, the Redskins for the last five,

731
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: and that's what they are are both eight and eight

732
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: type teams. New York's the best I think maybe the

733
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 1: best unit is New York's offense in this and they

734
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: probably have a chance, a better chance than Washington because Washington,

735
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: to me, when they're good. We've had fun watching them.

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00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: I love what they thought they could be early in

737
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: the season, and they're just too inconsistent. But at the

738
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: flip side, I don't know, I'm gonna be all of

739
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: the map because the flip side this defense and Kirk Cousins.

740
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a good Kirk Cousins game. I I don't know.

741
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: I can't even I'm not even gonna watch it. They

742
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: made like two plays all of last week, Andre Johnson

743
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: or Andre Roberts kickoff return into Shawan Jackson's long touchdown pass.

744
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: But that's against Carolina's defense. Now you get to play

745
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: against the Giants defense, which is a whole different story either.

746
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: I'm picking the Redskins to win this game. It's kind

747
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: of a coin flip game. But I think the Redskins

748
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: are better than people think, so I'm going with it.

749
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: Mark's mood, uh goes up wildly up and down with

750
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: based on what the Browns they're doing. But I've noticed

751
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: that would just have me it goes That's true. It's

752
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: pretty much just down. I've noticed the Redskins off, Like,

753
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: if they're coming off a loss, then you'll be really

754
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: down on them. If they're coming off a win, then

755
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: oh it's back. It's back to the Cousins corner over here, Kirk,

756
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: because Kirk Cousins for m v P. These teams aren't

757
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: that equal. I think the Jobs might build on their

758
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 1: loss to the Patriots, they are get a little better.

759
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: I thought Cousins corner is okay, kissing Cousins. Yeah, well

760
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: all right. The Giants have outscored opponents by twenty points

761
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: this year. The Redskins have been outscored by thirty two.

762
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: That's a fifty point difference the Redskins, Right, the Redskins

763
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: offense has been injured all you're now they're healthy. They

764
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: have had in their winds. There is a lot of

765
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: reason to get excited about the Redskins, but their losses

766
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: have been terrible in some cases. So you're right if

767
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: you're going to follow that team. You were all over

768
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: the map this season. The Redskins de Sean Jackson said

769
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: this week this game is for all the marbles, which

770
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: I like that. I was like, no, you don't know,

771
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: it's you don't know what that phrase Giants. The Giants

772
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: have had the Redskins number. They apparently there's some beef

773
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: between him and Mukamara. I can't remember some of there's

774
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: always beat between the times they asked Hi about him.

775
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: He's like, he's just another guy in the field I

776
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: wanted to play. You know who's having a great season

777
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: is Dominique Rodgers Crmarties. He's having a Pro Bowl one

778
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: of the best, what six or seven cornerbacks in the

779
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: league type of season. He he is something that defense

780
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: can get by. He's another one of those guys who

781
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 1: does it like every other year. Yeah, him and Antonio Carmarti,

782
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: it's a uh Patra and myself again on the same

783
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: island with the Giants, the rest with the Redskins. West,

784
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: I think you'll like this one better. This is what

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00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: the week twelve research notes. And I know, and I

786
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: think one thing I know will always uh tickle West,

787
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: little Teddy Bear giggle as I tickle him. Is a

788
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: little trivia where you can prove yourself to be a

789
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: maven on NFL history and knowledge. So I'm gonna give

790
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: you a quiz, wes A. Actually, I'm gonna open this

791
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: up to both kissing cousins. Both guys on that side

792
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: of the table can chime in. I might not respond

793
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: to that title. And Sydney, can you help me out

794
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: with maybe a clock, because we're gonna give you twenty seconds.

795
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: Here we go, I'll tell you when to start, Sydney.

796
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: Eli Manning has started a hundred and seventy seven straight

797
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: games at quarterback, the longest actor streak in the NFL.

798
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: The Redskins have started ten different quarterbacks over that span.

799
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: Name seven out of the ten. Give me a twenty seconds, Sydney,

800
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, Robert Griffin, We've got Rex Grossman, Jason Campbell,

801
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: John Beck, John Beck, McCoy, Patrick Ramsey. That's seven. Keep going,

802
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: how many do we need to name? Just damn them

803
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: name more? Sony seconds five seven out of ten. Very good.

804
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: You did it with plenty of time to spare. Here's

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00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: who you missed, Greg? Do you know any No? I

806
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking. Why did you shake your head when I

807
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: said Patrick Ramsey? I didn't. I misheard what the question

808
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: mark Brunel Todd Collins playoffs? St I gotta wait, did

809
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: you say beck Collins started a playoff game? And this one, guys,

810
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: Donovan McNabb, get that terrible era. That was a depressing time,

811
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: still faded Donovan McNabb era in Washington. We're like error

812
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 1: nailed it. Moving forward to the NFC West. Uh, we

813
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: were tasking NFL now where we do multiple hits per week? Uh,

814
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: if you're interested, you check out How do you find

815
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: NFL now, Greg, NFL dot com, slash now, sure, why not? Now?

816
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: NFL It's on Apple, TVs, It's everywhere, al right. Good.

817
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: So we do these game previews and I was tasked

818
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: with trying to set the boys up with a way

819
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: to get into this game, the Arizona Cardinals at San

820
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: Francisco forty Niners, And I said, West, after two big

821
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 1: showdowns for the Cardinals against the Bengals and Seahawks. Could

822
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: the forty niners uh serve as a potential letdown game?

823
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: And West how did you respond? Extended laughter? Skeletor laughter?

824
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: The same guy who said Blaine Gabbert was looking pretty good.

825
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: It could very well be a letdown game and the

826
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: Cardinals might only win by thirty. Oh stop, all right,

827
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: maybe twenty. Can you hear that? By the way, listen closely.

828
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: It's the Blame Gabbert resurrection campaign. Because you're hearing some

829
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: positive buzz around Blame Gabbert. Honey Badger said, Uh, this week,

830
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: I think he's underrated. Blame Gabbert on the comeback, Tram

831
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: called him much better than Kaepernick. Right, he did, and

832
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: I agree with him. I I think Blaine Gabbert is

833
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: playing well. And in that Honey Badger story, Bruce Arians

834
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: also had a quote saying how much how well he

835
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: thinks playing Gabbert is playing that he thinks he's a

836
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: good quarterback. I thought when you were listening for that sound,

837
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: that you had picked up the sound of Hubris coming

838
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: from Chris Westling and perhaps the rest of the Bird

839
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: gang out there. That's what we call us big Cardinals fans.

840
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: I think it's scorn and derision than coming off to

841
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is, if there ever was a letdown game,

842
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: if that is a real phenomenon, maybe it's not. It's

843
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: probably gonna come in a dead stadium on the road

844
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: in the division, after two monster games on national television

845
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: where you proved yourself totally agree, and against the team

846
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: who has been frisky enough at home. They've been okay

847
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: at home even last week. They were a little more

848
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: competitive than we really expected. Once the last I mean,

849
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: but it's twenty to nothing, you figure it's gotta add thirties,

850
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: and they come back sort of make it a game

851
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: that makes total sense. It's except for the fact that

852
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: the Cardinals have the most talented roster in the NFL

853
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: and the Forts have the least talented roster in the NFL.

854
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: They're running preseason lineups out there on offense. Yeah, And

855
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: I also look at teams that have these letdown games

856
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: are often not the Patriots. It's not the best teams

857
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: in the league. It's those halfway their teams that do

858
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: something surprising and then they cave in there there. This

859
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: is not built that this way that this team with

860
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: under arians the way he's gotten them up game after

861
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: the team, I don't see them as letdown fodder. And

862
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: uh we all took the Cardinals not surprisingly. Moving on

863
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: late game, the Pittsburgh Steelers with Ben Roethlisberger doing Big

864
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: Ben things with his boy Antonio Brown, head to Century

865
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: Link Field to take on the Seahawks. Uh. Seahawks, we

866
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: know do not have Marshawn Lynch. He could be out

867
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: until the end of the regular season after undergoing sports

868
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: hernia surgery. So that is a big loss. But at

869
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: the same at the same time, was Thomas Rawls is

870
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: coming off the type of game that Marshaw Lynch has

871
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: never had in his NFL career? Is he a guy

872
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: that's gonna cause this offense not to miss a beat?

873
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: Or will Beast mode be missed? If you think that

874
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: the Seahawks are gonna miss Marshawn Lynch, you haven't been

875
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: watching him play. This year. Thomas Rawls has outplayed him.

876
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: I mentioned this Sunday night. Marshawn Lynch has rushed for

877
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: seventy five yards one time all year. Thomas Rawls has

878
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: done it three times, over a hundred and has their

879
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: two best games by a running back all year, and

880
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: frankly looks like he fits his offense better than Marshawn Lynch.

881
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: There are a few things sadder than thinking about fantasy

882
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: owners out there that spent like a seventh overall pick

883
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: on Marshaw Lynch and that didn't handcuff it up with

884
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: Thomas Rawls. There's people out there that that got stuck

885
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: like that, because you're right, Lynch has done nothing all year.

886
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: He's never been close to the old Lynch. This year,

887
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: he's been banged up, in ineffective, and now Rawls is

888
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: maybe a better option. At this stage. It's crazy that

889
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: Thomas Rawls and rafted rookie is absolutely more valuable to

890
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: their team than Jimmy Graham, the guy who gave up

891
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: you know, first round pick, has been an All Pro player.

892
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: At this point, we're just kind of expecting Graham to

893
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: get three for thirty nine every week. It's no longer

894
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: even a big story here. Here are some people. He

895
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: has five thirty yards on the season, which isn't the

896
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: worst thing ever. But here's who else is right around

897
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: him in the yardage race. Benjamin Watson, couple ahead of him,

898
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: replaced team in New Orleans, Doug Baldwin in Seattle, Danny

899
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: Woodhead in San Diego. These are the players that are

900
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: right around Danny Amondla Marvin Jones. I mean, these are

901
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: the types of company, the types of company that Jimmy

902
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: Graham is keeping right now. The bigger numbers two touchdowns.

903
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be one of the best red zone

904
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: threats in the league, historically prolific in terms of production

905
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. I guess we figured it was gonna

906
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: go down, but I don't think anybody predicted he would

907
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: be this this unproductive, you know, bevel though, when they

908
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: do what they do when you have a healthy running back,

909
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: they're fine. The two times they've tried to plug star

910
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: guys that they've added to kind of take that offense

911
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: and make it more dynamic Percy Harvin and Jimmy Graham,

912
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: it's not been a very successful experiment. The first was

913
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: an absolute disaster. Havan thing I can't really put on

914
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: the o c at although he's actually though, but the

915
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: players that's fair. But the players talked about the way

916
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: he was used in the lack of explosive players from

917
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: Harvan and that offense nearly toward that locker room apart

918
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: before they went back to what they do. The crazy

919
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: thing is that the Seahawks are having this season where

920
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: they're struggling in their five and five, and when you

921
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 1: think of their defense, the strength is upfront, like everyone

922
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: has always thought the secondary. That's how you know, that's

923
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: how this band defensive. Cliff Avrow and Michael Bennett might

924
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: be the best duo in the league right now with

925
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: where being hurt they are there. Cliff Avrow has been amazing,

926
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: Bennett's been really consistent in great all year. That that is,

927
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: they're playing better than they've ever played in this whole run.

928
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 1: And yet the second there, I know they were fine

929
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: last week against San Francisco. They basically give up the

930
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: same plays every week. I mean they gave up. They

931
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: give up the big plays down the middle of the defense.

932
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas is very often involved in giving up the

933
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: play as Cam Chancellor has not been a great player

934
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: for them in coverage at all, not that that was

935
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: ever his strong suit, and again and again people are

936
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: hitting him with those same plays. I'm a little surprised

937
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: that only one of us took the Steelers, and it

938
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: was kind of or the right renegade. Um, are we

939
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: kinda overlooking what the Steelers can do against the Seahawks

940
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: defense that hasn't been nearly as good this season? No,

941
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: I think it was a coin flip game. I respect

942
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: the Steelers and and I think they have the best

943
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: wide receiver duo in the NFL right now, and I

944
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: don't think it's even close. Mart Tavis Bryant is an animal.

945
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: That guy is incredible. Who else is better than those

946
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: two guys? But you're playing in Seattle, this game was

947
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, I think it'd be I'd probably lean the

948
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: other way. I mean, this is the game that you know,

949
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: we're making our picks on Wednesday, and there's a lot

950
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: more information to be learned before the games. This was

951
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: this one I might switch because I really look at

952
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and I understand the Chiefs and the Bills and

953
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: all that stuff. They forget it wild card. They're gonna

954
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: not gonna win the division. But if they get in

955
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: as a wild card, I look at this team is

956
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: one that could upset the Apple Cart entirely and go

957
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: right to the super Bowl even without Levy on Bell,

958
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: I agree, and I think if they can win this

959
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: game and this is the best game of the week.

960
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: It's one of the more interesting games of the season,

961
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: just because because Seattle right now, to me is fascinating

962
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: because they've been the best team in the NFL now

963
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: for this is the fourth year where they're one of

964
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: the time they should be one of the teams. And

965
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: if they lose this game, it's like they're they are

966
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: running out of time. And I think Pittsburgh could go

967
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: pick them up. And if Pittsburgh could win this game,

968
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: Michael Berger, who's waiting to come on the show, doesn't

969
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: want to hear it, but Pittsburgh could still win that division.

970
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah that's possible. Still have Cincinnati left on the schedule.

971
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. That is a good game, CBS. I might

972
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: be the philling GM game. Get excited about that all

973
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: right now? He talks to listen. I care about who's

974
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: calling the games, filling jeem And by the way, Mike

975
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: Tariko and Jay Gruden or John Gruden, we talked about it.

976
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: What a team. Oh yeah, Tariko going off on the

977
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: officials at the end of the telecast was you know, classic,

978
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: what a pair. Now we move on to a man,

979
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: uh that needs an introduction, all right? He is a

980
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: producer for NFL Network, uh specifically the Around the NFL program.

981
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: We are the Around the NFL podcast. He's a man

982
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: with interesting insight on the NFL world. So he said,

983
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: why don't we get the old Burger in here and

984
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, toss it around a little bit. I've got

985
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: a prop to give Burger when he give us in

986
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: a little credit to give him. Okay, good, let's bring

987
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: him in. Michael Burger sitting to my left to West

988
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: is right. We need someone between me and West today. Um,

989
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: here is Michael Burger. Welcome back. Thank you. Then, I

990
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: am truly honored. As I said, I looked it up.

991
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: I think it was almost two years ago to the

992
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: day that I was in here. And things you've got,

993
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: you've come along in two years. Yeah, yes, we are

994
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: incredibly popular. The paparazzi's way, I had to get through

995
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: them just to get in the door. We've been we've

996
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: been on your program. So that's that helps, That help, right.

997
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a sort of a symbiotic relationship you

998
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: guys have. You know, we're all one media group here,

999
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: so we're getting all the insights, all the content, guys,

1000
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: all the content where you get were you responsible for

1001
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: the name around the NFL? That could be a better

1002
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: name for both the show in the podcast. Well, what

1003
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: what would you write? What else? What else? What would

1004
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: you write? If you had your druthers? What would you

1005
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: call these programs? Stick to Football? Okay, I'll take that

1006
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: into the next in the next meeting, and just stick

1007
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: to Football podcast STF dot com. That's probably already take

1008
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: you crazy idea here. I think we should probably stop

1009
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: renaming our shows. That that makes sense. I was not

1010
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: here the first time Burger was on the show. That's right,

1011
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: that's right. So this is the first time I'm sharing

1012
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: a studio with Burger. I have goose bumps absolution. But Mark,

1013
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: you remember the last time Burger was here? Us does

1014
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: West We We got into a hot debate about the

1015
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: longevity and the success in the career of Colin Kaepernick

1016
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: verse Alex Smith, and Burger went out on a limb

1017
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: to say that, without any question, he believed that Alex

1018
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: Smith would be the better quarterback long term. And now

1019
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: this is two seasons ago, and I don't remember how

1020
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: the rest of us made it, but I know that

1021
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: I was on the other side of the fence. I

1022
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: hammered him pretty hard for it, and and he was

1023
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: absolutely correct. How do you guys remember this earlier in

1024
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: the show, you pointed to your head and talked about

1025
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: my brain. Well, that's where it's coming from. This and

1026
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: this is why burgers back on the show that one

1027
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: in two years ago. Right. We we waited, I mean

1028
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: we waited as long as we could until Kaepernick was

1029
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: finally just bissilely over and they were like, all right,

1030
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't know what he not. Only that you

1031
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: sold out your girlfriend and made her wait for the

1032
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: direct TV man just to come here to their their

1033
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: their wires being it's I'm glad I'm here. Let's put

1034
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: it like that. All right, So we want to talk

1035
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: to some football. Let's do it. Let's tack to football. Yes,

1036
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: and why not? Since yes, since you are a Cincinnati

1037
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: Bengals fan, I am. Let's talk about since a big

1038
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: what was that dessert? I called him a deserter your thoughts.

1039
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: I was born with the mind of my own. I'm

1040
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: not a sheep. Uh, this this would be this will

1041
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: be a good podcast in the off season, West and

1042
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: Burger talk about being a Cincinnati sports fan. I like that,

1043
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: But for now, let's talk about their game on Sunday.

1044
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: They're coming off back to back losses. They played pretty

1045
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: well on Monday night. Uh, on Sunday night, but we're

1046
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: defeated by a great Cardinals team. Now they get the

1047
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: Rams in their building. Burger, a Rams team that listen,

1048
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, we can't make much sense of, uh, what's

1049
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: going on at their quarterback situation. Todd Gurley hasn't even

1050
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: been dominant a couple of weeks. This seems well set up,

1051
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: yes or no Burger for Cincinnati to get back on track.

1052
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: You'd have to think. So. I mean, the brand ms

1053
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: are what thirty feet in total offense? Everything first in scoring? Defense?

1054
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, watch ability, Todd Gurley hasn't been Todd Gurley

1055
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: like in the last few games. Earlier in the year,

1056
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: the Bengals were having trouble stopping the run. And if

1057
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: this game had been played Week six, I would have said,

1058
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: that's a really bad matchup for the Bengals. They think

1059
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: they're thirteen now and run defense they were in the

1060
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: bottom five or last month. They've got to be top five.

1061
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: Um yeah, he's back. That helps, so uh, I mean,

1062
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: I you'd have to think this is this feels like

1063
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: a Bengals win. I red zone is gonna be interesting.

1064
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 1: I think both those teams are second in the league

1065
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: in red zone offense and defense, respectively, So I think

1066
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: what happens down near the goal line will obviously play

1067
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: a big part. But you, I mean, we saw case

1068
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: Keenum didn't really help things last week, ignite the Rams offense,

1069
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: So you'd have to think this sets up for Bengals win.

1070
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 1: I will say that obviously, the the tragic Steadman Bailey incident,

1071
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: uh last night, you'd have to think, Um, I mean,

1072
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: let's hope that doesn't factor into any You know, Bailey

1073
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: was involved in a note in his car. He underwent

1074
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: surgery today, is I believe is in critical condition, table condition,

1075
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: there's but there's so there's not a lot of information

1076
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: about what his situation is. But that is obviously terrible news. Uh.

1077
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: Back to football end of it. Greg, you you said

1078
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: on our last last week you talked about Andy Dalton,

1079
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: how you hadn't seen the Andy Dalton of the earlier

1080
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: in the season the last few weeks. Did you see

1081
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: enough on Sunday night to be back in and not

1082
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: be worried all about Andy? He made some big throws

1083
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: in that game. Yeah, he went down the field, which

1084
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: I think I had been missing for a month, although

1085
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: on the play of the game he missed. Really, if

1086
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: he puts that ball out there, they might win that game.

1087
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: And we're talking about what a performance that easily could

1088
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: have been an interception on the play that aj Green

1089
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: wind up catching out of bounds. And I think we've

1090
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: seen enough from him that it would be surprising if

1091
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: they had another big letdown game. But this is one

1092
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: of the best defenses in the NFL, so I wouldn't

1093
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: never count it out. Why do we keep saying they're

1094
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: one of the best defense in the NFL. Was one

1095
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: game and they were missing Quinn and Long in that game.

1096
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: Case Keenum, it looks like it's gonna start despite that concussion.

1097
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: By the way, he is limited in practice, if you

1098
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: gotta double down on that one. We talked about the

1099
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: fact that the Steelers are still coming up on their schedule.

1100
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: I mean Cincinnati, what they've done all years, what the

1101
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: reverses in the past where they have that epic melt

1102
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: where suddenly they're not the Bengals we respect anymore, and

1103
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: you're just looking at a January defeat. This is not

1104
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 1: that team, but they have to go in and stamp St.

1105
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: Louis to make that true. I don't think the Rams

1106
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: are gonna score enough points to hang in this game,

1107
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: not at all. I'm taking a look. I know this

1108
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: is the offense and that runs through Girly, but you

1109
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: look at their receiving sets. These are the receiving arts

1110
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: for their top four receivers, britt Cook, Austin, and Cunningham three, three, ten,

1111
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: and one eighty nine. This is where ten games into

1112
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: the season, and these guys are on pace for all

1113
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: about five hundred outside of Austin. This is the fifth

1114
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: year in a row this has been the case with

1115
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: this dead on arrival. She shouldn't be able to keep

1116
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: pace with The receivers are like what third or fourth

1117
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: on the list of problems though. The quarterback the offensive line,

1118
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: Greg Robinson his fifteen He's been flagged fifteen times for

1119
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 1: holding since he entered the league. Orlando Pace was flagged

1120
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,479
Speaker 1: eleven times in his entire career. Wow, well you know

1121
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: he's not Orlando Pace. The fact that the Rams can't

1122
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: throw the ball sets up well for the Bengals, who

1123
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: their secondary is a mess right now after losing dark

1124
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: West Denard for the year last year. Pac Man still hurt. Yeah,

1125
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: it's a big loss. Um you know there Leon Hall

1126
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: has played in the slot this year and hasn't played

1127
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: all that well. Frankly, Um Drake Kirkpatrick I think was

1128
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: in the bottom five of all corners in the league

1129
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: a Pro Football Focus as of two weeks ago. So

1130
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: they got some issues in the back end and it's

1131
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: gonna come up in games against one more against Steelers,

1132
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, they still play the Broncos their schedule

1133
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: long term, just looking at you know, obviously the Steelers

1134
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: only two games back and and you'd like to think that, uh,

1135
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, they'll be able to hold on. But their

1136
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: sc the Bengal schedule does set up well. They only

1137
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: have really the Steelers and the Broncos left. Their other

1138
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: four games are Rams, Browns, Ravens and Niners. Look out

1139
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: for the Browns. That's perfect. You get a couple of tests,

1140
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: but you get some couples, should be right. Just a

1141
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: question for the room, who who is there any person

1142
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: that's more overly emotional on a football Sunday than Michael Berger.

1143
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: I mean he really gets a little too storms uncomfortable yeah,

1144
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: but he cut this year is internal. That's more burning intensity.

1145
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: For It's mostly it's mostly my trash can that gets

1146
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: the brunt of the of the you know, but I

1147
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: try to keep it confined to my cubicle, not a

1148
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: yelling off of like a third down. Miss Gott. Editor

1149
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: Mark Ortega could give you a run out of your money.

1150
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: It's just general zan nous and wildness. I've been vocal

1151
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: in my distaste for our our move across the news. Yeah,

1152
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: that's right. We used to be neighbors. Yeah, we've been

1153
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: banished to a corner like the guy with the red

1154
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: stapler and office space. And one thing I do miss

1155
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: is seeing the intensity, whether it's Red's baseball, right or

1156
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: Bengals football. Uh so I missed you. Yeah, go all

1157
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: I mean, go all in or go home. You're gonna

1158
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: panic if they lose this game. One absolutely. Mark and

1159
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: I haven't said two words to each other since we

1160
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: made that move like four months ago. Well, outside of

1161
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: that dynamic to each other, there's a wall. You never

1162
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: liked each other anyway, It's fine. We took the Bengals

1163
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: toross the board to get back in the wind. Common

1164
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: move to nine and two let's talk about Sunday Night football.

1165
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: This was supposed to be an Alan Chris. You know

1166
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: I love talking about announcers Greg as we spoke about earlier. Uh,

1167
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: they were supposed to get you know, Brady Manning Ball

1168
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: Its Ossweiler, Brady one by Brock, there's the cell Brady v. Brock.

1169
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: Are they gonna put those graphics? You know they do

1170
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: the whole like Manny, Are they gonna be man at

1171
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: Brady Wilder one in big Roman numeral at the bottom

1172
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: of a new sense of humor that NBC. Yes, they're

1173
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: no just subtle sense of humor anyway. So the New

1174
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: England Patriots tenant. Oh so you get excited, oh wow

1175
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: six you know, but they're not playing that great. Uh

1176
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: on Monday Night didn't play like great. This is a

1177
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: short week for them. They're beat up. As we've talked

1178
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: about Burger, I'll set you up again for this. Yeah. Uh.

1179
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: There is a case to be made on the road

1180
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: in prime time against the great defense and a young

1181
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: broncoswall look promising reigning player of the Week that the

1182
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: Pats are ready to go down. You buy them? I'm not.

1183
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: This is this is a tough one. I think you know,

1184
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: at some point the war of attrition has to you know,

1185
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: they don't. They simply don't have anyone to throw the

1186
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: ball to anymore. I think you lose Dion Lewis, fine,

1187
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: you'll lose Edelman, Fine, you'll lose Am And I mean

1188
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: I literally, I you know bluefell and you know James

1189
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: White's catching two touchdowns. I guess every year this is

1190
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: the lesson we say this. I feel like every year

1191
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: about the Patriots is who is he throwing the ball to?

1192
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: And they still do it every year and win fourteen games. Um,

1193
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: So I think on some level you have to start

1194
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: to really push the panic button. But at the same time,

1195
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm taking Bill Belichick against a guy making a second

1196
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: career start all day, every day, and I think, listen

1197
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: to the Broncos defense we all know is probably the

1198
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: best in the league top to bottom um. But I

1199
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: just until until I see Brock ost Wailer, have I

1200
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: need a larger sample size to think that he's gonna

1201
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: go beat Bill Belichick on Sunday Night, whether it's even

1202
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: in Denver or not. I've taken the Patriots on the

1203
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: vibrant broadcast vehicle known as NFL Now. Yes, earlier today,

1204
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: I predicted that James White four touchdowns it's gonna happens,

1205
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: and if not, Chris Wesleyan in the off season will

1206
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: canoe from the Los Angeles port to Nicaragua. That possibly,

1207
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just something like what if what

1208
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: if James White does get four a touchdown, then Chris

1209
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: Westling will not canoe from Los Angeles either way, I'm

1210
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: not can know what's gonna happen. In classic Bill Belichick fashion,

1211
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: it will be Brandon Bolden catching four touchdown and not Yeah,

1212
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: and then you're not going anywhere either way. West So

1213
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: you're fine. I U on the same NFL Now story, Mibrant.

1214
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,439
Speaker 1: I had brock Wise brock ost Wier winning this game,

1215
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: and in our UH sponsor mandated hot take of the

1216
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: week that we have to write every week, also have

1217
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: Brocoss Willer winning. But I could never pick Brocoss Waller

1218
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: over Tom Brady. Of course, I'm gonna pick the Patriots

1219
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: in this game. What do you mean, why would you

1220
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: do it then? For bold because we have to come

1221
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: up with a hot wi to do go through the

1222
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: games that you picked this week. I am certain I

1223
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: have seventeen other things on my docket, and and it's

1224
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: like the death throws this. You have to come up

1225
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: with a hot take this week in order for a

1226
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: bold prediction. I'm like, all right, let me chalk out

1227
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: seventy words on Brockos. I will say that everybody who

1228
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: watched brock Oswhilder playing, we all watched I think a

1229
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: portion or some of that game. I watched most of it.

1230
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean, he that's what the Gary Kubiak offense is

1231
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: supposed to look like. And you know, he played better

1232
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: than I think most people expected. Is he gonna you know,

1233
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: can he do that against the Patriots on Sunday? We'll

1234
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: see he makes really so much good or bad And

1235
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: that's great for a first start. But this is the

1236
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: best Patriots defense I think in the last decade, and

1237
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: they can present problem for you. Just Jamie Collins coming

1238
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: back to ye big Syrod Taylor another young quarterback last week,

1239
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: so this could be a game in the teens. They

1240
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: gave him a f C Player of the Week. Brock Austin.

1241
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: I know because I don't know if it's because of

1242
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: just the situation he was in, but it was a

1243
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: perfect passerrading. But their job, right if you watched the

1244
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: If you watch the game and listen, he managed the

1245
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: game well, that I agree with, but perfect passer rading

1246
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: means literally zero when you watch what he did to

1247
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,479
Speaker 1: forge that one good pass the whole game, he didn't

1248
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: make it. He had Vernon Davis plant and uh had

1249
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: another good pass that Owen Daniels dropped. He also didn't

1250
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: turn the ball over, which has been the problem for Denver.

1251
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: So I just, I just, I mean, just from from

1252
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: a schematic standpoint, there was a lot of play action.

1253
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: The tight ends were more involved. It's what we've seen

1254
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: from the Ravens and Texan. Yeah, it just it looked

1255
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: like running game came to absolutely so I like that

1256
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: Vernon Davis got in the mix. That might look good too.

1257
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: It was a huge positive and a huge sign of

1258
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: how my Osweiler helped. But watch out, you got you got?

1259
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: You know, Damarius Thomas going on Butler Island. We should mention.

1260
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Speaker 1: But we should mention because this new This news came

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01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: after we recorded yesterday's podcast. Peyton Manning team announced out

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01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: at least the next two weeks at least he's gonna

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01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: be in a walking boot. And I think it's natural

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01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: to wonder if he ever plays for the Broncos. I

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01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: think if brock Ey Swidler plays at the level he

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01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: played last week, there's little chance that Manning again, he

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01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: really struggles. And Manning does prove hees healthy again in

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01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: three weeks, then this offense so much better. I took

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01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: the Broncos in this game. I am alone. It was

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01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: a hero pick where it was until Greg. You don't

1271
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: pretend you think I ruined this thing. You love it.

1272
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: But finally Monday Night Football and what after we have

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01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: to what a bummer? Yeah, what a bummer. Listen, everyone

1274
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: wants to he wants to see match shop against against

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01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: the Josh McCown. Come on, that's what they're tuning in

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01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: for on months. It's a funeral. ESPN was so desperate

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01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: to find a way to play this game, an angle

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01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: to take on it that all throughout Monday Night Football

1279
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: this week, it was just a really kind of odd,

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01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: like uh staccato type massive cutaways and all the different

1281
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: all this Johnny Man's, Oh Johnny Johnny Man football, it

1282
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: was different like John Gruden. It was like, oh Johnny football, Jack,

1283
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: you gotta love him, Johnny Football. I men, it's like him,

1284
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: like running around and it was just like Johnny Football

1285
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: Monday Night. And then in like fine print says Ravens

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01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: Brown exactly, and it's like, how are we now supposed

1287
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: to take this game seriously as a piece of entertainment

1288
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,919
Speaker 1: to watch Manzel back on the bench, as we said

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01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: on yesterday's podcast because of his hard partying lifestyle or

1290
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: just being out and taking off the team enough where

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01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: they said you're you're now our third string quarterback. So

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01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: it's Josh McCown back in the lineup against yes, Matt

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01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: schob who replaces Joe Flacco, who tours a c L

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01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: and mc L last Sunday. So, yeah, this is a game.

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01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard to get excited about, especially when

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01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: you're talking about two teams that are combined five and

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01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: fifteen this year. I say, don't tell a buys it

1298
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: put on you remember like the ESPN Strongman copy, put

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01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: that on, Magnus fair, magnuson. Yeah, let's make this the

1300
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: Heidi game too. Around midway through the third quarter, just

1301
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: put Heidi on, or you know, like NBC and now

1302
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: Fox is getting into like doing the musicals, like just

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01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: throw something together in the next four days, get a

1304
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: musical out there of Middler on the roof, Storry and

1305
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: match hup and some of the players they'll throw an interception.

1306
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: What would you call that? Yeah, I don't pick six.

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01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so this game, Yeah, well we can't talk

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01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: without so yeah, that's why we can't. That's so here

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01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: we go. This, this is the game that's happening. Uh,

1310
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: anybody have anything to say? But we all took Cleveland,

1311
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: but I think initially was before Manzell. What do you

1312
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: gotta say? Was anybody want to trade ships on Monday?

1313
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: That's all you got? Come on, Mark, I've covered every

1314
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: Monday night game, which I enjoy. But this game come

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01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: and I give it up in a heartbeat? Mark, what

1316
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: you have to root for them to win on national TV?

1317
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: Even though you're saying, oh, I'd like to have the

1318
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: number one overall pick when push comes, you don't want

1319
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: the number one pick? Well, I won't. I would like

1320
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: to see them win and not here. Here's one thing

1321
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: I have a I have a quick comment and I

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01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: have a question for Burger to start off with. But

1323
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: I think Mike Petton this was the most defining decision

1324
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna makes the Browns coach for a long long time,

1325
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: and I think he made the right one. If you

1326
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: listen to players in that locker room, to a man,

1327
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: they feel like he did what was right for the

1328
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: team and he stood by it. And I respect Patton

1329
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: and John Harball said the same thing. It's not easy

1330
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: to have done this. It goes against everything that makes

1331
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: Cleveland even marginally marketable. But question you had you got

1332
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: Kaepernick and Alex Smith right two years ago, Johnny Manziel

1333
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: first playing Gabbert career going forward? Do they have careers

1334
01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: going forward? And the other two years before burgers back

1335
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: on and then we'll have the December. Um, God, I

1336
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, in all seriousness, I you know,

1337
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: I listen, Blaine Gabbert is a is a career backup

1338
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: and will be. I don't I don't think he's I

1339
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: mean to have him to someone say we're giving you

1340
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: the keys to the kingdom. I don't see that happening

1341
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: anytime soon. Johnny Manzel Listen, I mean, do we think

1342
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: someone's taking a shot on this guy. He's not playing

1343
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: for the Browns anymore after this year? We think so?

1344
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. We

1345
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: haven't done a podcast since they officially announced, the expect

1346
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: that McCown was going to be the starter, but they

1347
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: officially announce m accounts the starter, but he didn't even

1348
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: say for the rest memory fails him once again. We did.

1349
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,560
Speaker 1: But you can't do the show come out right, But

1350
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: you can't. I mean to your most thinking about today's

1351
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: press conference, which is really when he talked about it

1352
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: and said it's not for the rest of the season necessarily,

1353
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: And for him to say that shows they're not closed off.

1354
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: And I think if they get to the last couple

1355
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: of weeks of this season, they might just left take it.

1356
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,560
Speaker 1: But but to Sessler's point, if you say, as you

1357
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: said the defining moment of his if you say we're

1358
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: we're benching you and it's fully supported by everybody in

1359
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: the locker room, and then you go back to Manziel

1360
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: two or three weeks later, where does that leave you

1361
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: in the standing? Yeah? Yeah, it's he's in a messy

1362
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: situation and can't go back to him at this point.

1363
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: That's why. And this isn't piling on the Browns mark.

1364
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: It's if you if that job opens up in the offseason,

1365
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 1: like I would seriously, even though there's only a finite

1366
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: number of jobs to take in the NFL. It seems

1367
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: like you're always gonna end up in a total s

1368
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: storm no matter what, one way or the other. He's

1369
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: just the latest guy to get caught up in the web.

1370
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: That is why would keep Mike Patton for next season,

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01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: Because it can't get worse, and you've got to give

1372
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 1: first coach in a long time a chance to do

1373
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: more than two years. That's honestly, I look at Ron Rivera,

1374
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: who was gone a couple of seasons ago, and I

1375
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: look at they don't have Carolina's roster by any extent.

1376
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: But you give this guy a chance because you're not

1377
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: gonna get anyone to sign up for this job. And

1378
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: if he can sweep the rat Birds, at least he

1379
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 1: got something like that, you go, you go, got John,

1380
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: It's make him the new GM. No, you do not

1381
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: do that. It would take you four years to hire him. Actually,

1382
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: that's not a bad idea. Maybe get Dick and Marone,

1383
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: who are working together down there in Jackson him. That

1384
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: is an awful idea of by Greg. We all took

1385
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: the Browns. Uh really sorry, I'm gonna take the Ravens.

1386
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: Why not taking the raven Well, it's hard to pick

1387
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: a match job team into that. That's true. I would

1388
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: never pick I'm taking the Ravens. He could draw up

1389
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: any team in the NFL and I would pick him

1390
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: to beat match up. One sneaky thing that could turn

1391
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: this into an absolute disaster. Cleveland cut Terence West, so

1392
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: they trade him to the Titans for a bag of spoons.

1393
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: He's now on the Ravens and he's from Baltimore. The

1394
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 1: Ravens love Terence West a running back, and they said

1395
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna play. It is the most Browns thing ever

1396
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: that Terence West runs for a hundred and fifty yards

1397
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: and two touchdowns on this defense. I still think the

1398
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: most Browns thing ever this season was injuring the crappy

1399
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback to get to Ben Roethlisberger. Wait, wasn't Yes,

1400
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: wasn't the release of Terence West. It was a trade.

1401
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: The trade of Terence West part of what enraged Mark

1402
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: so much that he gave up on the team. It

1403
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: was not signing Chris Carter's son or Kristen working on McDonald.

1404
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to get Dion Carter, Kristen Michael and run

1405
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: a complete offense Ron Carter and with a complete spread

1406
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: offense with Manzell texas A and M style, and just

1407
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: after twenty years, thirty years that both both of those

1408
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: players currently on practice squads. Um, alright, I'm not in

1409
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 1: a solid place, Michael Burger. You've said it all and

1410
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 1: more something after two years, assess was not in a

1411
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: good place. Something's never changed. And maybe when you come

1412
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: back again. And I would say, although for like, for

1413
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: bit purposes, it would be funny to have you on

1414
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: in two years, but we we enjoyed happer than that.

1415
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 1: Maybe sooner than that two years this time. I look

1416
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 1: forward to it. Thanks West, you have the final decision.

1417
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: Sooner than two years, two years, three options. I'll go sooner,

1418
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: all right, I love it. It would have been off

1419
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: awkward if you would have said never. Hey, look he

1420
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: earned it by besting me in the debate. Right there

1421
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: we go. Burn. Next time you're on the show, we

1422
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 1: will talk about your appearance on Wheel of Fortune. I

1423
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: can't wait. By the way, do you want to tell

1424
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: everybody when the television version of this show? Absolutely take

1425
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: it out here without a Here we go. The around

1426
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: the NFL television show Thank You is on five days

1427
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: a week, and this is when it's on. You're ready, Yeah,

1428
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: six pm Eastern Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday. A special

1429
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: three hour show on Thursday that begins at two pm Easter.

1430
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: You've got that right. And that's where that's where on

1431
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: a normal Thursday you can find our Thursday night previews.

1432
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: Well it hasn't been that normal, but it's Thursday. You

1433
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 1: had a little hiatus. You're back. It's why we we

1434
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,759
Speaker 1: we juiced it up a little bit. You're fine everything.

1435
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: Do you see a ratings spike when every are minute

1436
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,560
Speaker 1: by minute ratings? If you look at it, it is,

1437
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: they're so high they're almost unreadable. It's like you can't

1438
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: even the Super Bowl bath exactly. Synergy, and we have

1439
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 1: Greg On sometimes yelling at Mike Silver, which is always

1440
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: a fun segment, and vice versa. It's okay, yeah, silver dessert.

1441
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: All right, that's it, Thanks guys. I just want to

1442
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: wish both Burger happy Thanksgiving every bed the same to

1443
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,719
Speaker 1: you guys as well, all the colleagues, all the heroes,

1444
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving, and all the listeners in America Happy Thanksgiving.

1445
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,520
Speaker 1: I know it's not celebrated a lot of our listenership

1446
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: is Canadas Thanksgiving, but it's like a month before. Well,

1447
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, we're I'm gonna say that Happy Thanksgiving two

1448
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen to Canada and seventeen to me when I'm

1449
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: back on the show next. Absolutely everything covered. Thank you

1450
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 1: to Sydney and everyone behind the glass. This is Dan

1451
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: Hansas signing off for Quiet Store, the Mailman, Boga the Boss,

1452
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: and Sydney behind the Glass tell Sunday