WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Jonelle Matthews

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans. Helen Got Murder Line actively investigates cold

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<v Speaker 2>On December twentieth, nineteen eighty four, twelve year old Janelle

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<v Speaker 2>Matthews spent the evening singing her heart out at a

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas choir concert in her hometown of Greeley, Colorado, a

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<v Speaker 2>residential suburb about fifty miles away from Denver. The concert

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<v Speaker 2>was held at Intro West Bank of Denver, and Janelle,

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<v Speaker 2>who was in the seventh grade, was part of the

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<v Speaker 2>Franklin Middle School choir. Janelle was outspoken and opinionated. Friends

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<v Speaker 2>and families say that she loved performing. After the concert,

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<v Speaker 2>Janelle caught a ride home with her friend Deanna and

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<v Speaker 2>Diana's father. They arrived back at Janelle's house, where she

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<v Speaker 2>lived with her father, Jim, her mother Gloria, and her

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen year old sister Jennifer, shortly after.

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<v Speaker 3>Eight fifteen pm.

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<v Speaker 2>It was already dark outside, and Janelle had a routine.

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<v Speaker 2>The garage door had been left half open for her

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<v Speaker 2>to walk into, and then once she got in, she

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<v Speaker 2>would flick the light twice to let Diana and her

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<v Speaker 2>dad Russell know that she'd gotten home safely. So Janelle

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<v Speaker 2>went into the garage, and then Deanna and her dad

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<v Speaker 2>saw the light come on, so they drove away. Janelle's father,

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Matthews, who was the principal at Platte Valley Elementary School,

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<v Speaker 2>got home about an hour later, around nine thirty pm.

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<v Speaker 2>He had been at Janelle's sister Jennifer's basketball game at

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<v Speaker 2>her high school. He and Jennifer rode home separately. Janelle's mother, Gloria,

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<v Speaker 2>had gone to visit her sick father in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 2>so she was out of.

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<v Speaker 3>Town that night.

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<v Speaker 2>When Jim got home, he saw Janelle's clothes were scattered

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<v Speaker 2>around the pantyhose that she'd warned to the concert were

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<v Speaker 2>draped over a couch, her shoes were on the floor

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<v Speaker 2>of the living room, and the space heater was pulled

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<v Speaker 2>close to where she normally sat, near an easy chair

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<v Speaker 2>that was close to the TV. Her family later told

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<v Speaker 2>police this was Janelle's routine after she got home. She

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<v Speaker 2>would pull the space heater close to the chair and

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<v Speaker 2>watch TV, and the TV was turned on. All signs

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<v Speaker 2>pointed to Janelle's settling in for a cozy night, but

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<v Speaker 2>Jim couldn't find her.

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<v Speaker 3>It looked like she had come home.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing appeared to be out of place, There were no

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<v Speaker 2>signs of forced entry or a struggle, and nothing had

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<v Speaker 2>been taken from the house.

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<v Speaker 3>There were more.

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<v Speaker 2>Clues in the kitchen that seemed to point to Janelle's timeline.

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<v Speaker 2>Shortly after eight thirty pm, Janelle answered the phone, and

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<v Speaker 2>a note on the blackboard in the kitchen that was

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<v Speaker 2>used for phone messages showed that a substitute teacher at

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<v Speaker 2>the school had called with a message for Janelle's dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Janelle wrote that message on the board, so at first,

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<v Speaker 2>given all this, Jim thought maybe Janelle had run out

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<v Speaker 2>to do something else or see a friend. Jennifer, Janelle's sister,

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<v Speaker 2>came home at around ten pm from her game. There

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<v Speaker 2>was still no sign of Janelle. Concern Jim called his pastor,

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<v Speaker 2>who suggested that he call the police. So he did,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said Janelle was missing. Janelle was in the

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<v Speaker 2>seventh grade. She disappeared just days before her thirteenth birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>Her parents described her as a loving child. She was

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<v Speaker 2>super in balld in school and sports, including basketball. Deanna

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<v Speaker 2>later told Dateline that Janelle was in a great mood

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<v Speaker 2>that night on the ride home. She was looking forward

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<v Speaker 2>to the last day of school the next day, Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>and to exchanging gifts with her friends. She was also

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<v Speaker 2>looking forward to the upcoming two week Christmas holiday. There

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<v Speaker 2>was zero's sign that night that she would leave her

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<v Speaker 2>house for any reason or go away voluntarily. Police showed

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<v Speaker 2>up at the Matthews house at.

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<v Speaker 3>Ten fifteen pm.

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<v Speaker 2>They immediately started canvassing the neighborhood, and they immediately announced

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<v Speaker 2>to the community they believed that Janelle had been kidnapped

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<v Speaker 2>from her home. Her parents left her presence unwrapped and

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<v Speaker 2>under the tree in case she came home, but she

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<v Speaker 2>never came home to open them. Janelle vanished and there

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<v Speaker 2>was no sign of her until thirty years later. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Catherine Townsend. Over the past seven years of making my

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<v Speaker 2>true crime podcast, Helen Gone, I've learned that there's no

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<v Speaker 2>such thing as a small town where murder never happens.

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<v Speaker 2>I have received hundreds of messages from people all around

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<v Speaker 2>affected them, their families, and their communities. If you have

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<v Speaker 2>This is Helen Gone Murder Line. When police got to

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<v Speaker 2>the Matthews house and searched it, they had very little

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<v Speaker 2>to go on. There were no fingerprints found and no

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<v Speaker 2>stranger DNA. Of course, DNA testing possibilities in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 2>four were very different than they are today, and no

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<v Speaker 2>one in the quiet, safe neighborhood had heard anything out

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<v Speaker 2>of the ordinary. Again, there was no obvious sign of

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<v Speaker 2>a struggle in the home, but police did notice a

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<v Speaker 2>few small things that seemed out of place. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>the garage door was open, which Janelle's father, Jim, said

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<v Speaker 2>should not have been. Janelle should have shut it after

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<v Speaker 2>she came into the house. That was part of her routine.

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<v Speaker 2>Then there were the footprints in the snow in the

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<v Speaker 2>front of the house that led police to believe that

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<v Speaker 2>someone might be looking through the windows. Over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>there has been a lot of discussion about those footprints.

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<v Speaker 2>The Dateline episode about this case is actually called Footprints

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<v Speaker 2>in the Snow. The footprints were too big to be

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<v Speaker 2>Janelle's and they were recent. It had snowed several hours earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the time of year where it was snowing

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much every day, so these were fresh prints. Police

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<v Speaker 2>later determined that the footprints were a single set from

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<v Speaker 2>one person, a mail with an estimated foot size of

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<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven. There was something else that was odd

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<v Speaker 2>about the footprints. Jim had a rake in his garage

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<v Speaker 2>and it looked like someone had raked over the prince,

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<v Speaker 2>presumably to try to get rid of them. Police did

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<v Speaker 2>not share it with the public immediately, but it's a

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<v Speaker 2>detail that will become very important later. Police of course

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<v Speaker 2>turned their attention to those closest to Janelle, and naturally

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<v Speaker 2>to relationships between family members, including between Janelle and Jim Matthews.

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<v Speaker 2>They gave Janelle's father a light detector test and questioned

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<v Speaker 2>him thoroughly. Jim later told Dateline he understood that police

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<v Speaker 2>had to question him, but he admitted the whole ordeal

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<v Speaker 2>was painful and that he eventually became frustrated with the

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<v Speaker 2>process because he had been completely forthcoming. Jim Matthews was

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<v Speaker 2>cleared by police. Janelle was adopted, since she had been

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<v Speaker 2>adopted when she was six weeks old by Gloria and Jim.

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<v Speaker 2>Police also secretly put her birth mother, who was at

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<v Speaker 2>the time living in Los Angeles, under surveillance for a

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<v Speaker 2>period of time. They had to consider all possibilities, including

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<v Speaker 2>parental kidnapping, but Janelle's mother was quickly cleared as well.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a massive man hunt, first by law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>and later by six hundred volunteers who scoured all parts

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<v Speaker 2>of Well County, but they found no sign of Janelle.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the Greenwood's Commonwealth, Janelle's picture was featured on

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<v Speaker 2>a milk carton and she was mentioned in news stories

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<v Speaker 2>with other kidnap victims. Including Adam Walsh and Florida and

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<v Speaker 2>Aton Pates in New York City. But Janelle's case was

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit different because she had been home getting

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable when she was taken. Who would have been bold

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<v Speaker 2>enough to take her out of her home like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Since there were no signs of forest entry, police did

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<v Speaker 2>wonder did Janelle know her abductor or maybe could she

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<v Speaker 2>have been familiar with them? Was there a reason why

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<v Speaker 2>she let them in or were they already inside the

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<v Speaker 2>garage when she came home, lying there in wait? Was

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<v Speaker 2>this a crime of opportunity or could someone have been

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<v Speaker 2>stalking the twelve year old. The case quickly garnered a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of media attention. CBS News reported that one of

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<v Speaker 2>the first investigators on the scene was a twenty seven

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<v Speaker 2>year old police officer named John Gates. He was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the first officers to canvass the neighborhood. Later, John

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<v Speaker 2>Gates became mayor of Greeley. Janelle's bizarre abduction touched the

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<v Speaker 2>whole town. In twenty nineteen, he told the Colorado Sun quote,

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<v Speaker 2>it was all hands on deck the minute I walked

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<v Speaker 2>into their home. I thought that this was probably not

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<v Speaker 2>a runaway. We walked around the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 3>It was dark. Nobody in that neighborhood saw anything.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't long before we started thinking this was probably

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<v Speaker 2>not going to end well, end quote. For a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>the case went cold, months and then years went by.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety four, ten years after Janelle vanished, she

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<v Speaker 2>was declared legally dead. Then another heartbreaking twist in the

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<v Speaker 2>case happened. In nineteen ninety seven, Janelle's mother, Gloria Matthews,

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<v Speaker 2>received a letter from Janelle's birth mother, who had used

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<v Speaker 2>a search consultant to track her biological daughter down. Janelle's

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<v Speaker 2>birth mother had no idea that Janelle was missing or

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<v Speaker 2>that she had been put under surveillance by police years earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>so now Gloria had to break the news to Janelle's

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<v Speaker 2>birth mother about what had happened to her. Jim and

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<v Speaker 2>Gloria eventually moved away from the area. They were missionaries

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<v Speaker 2>in the Philippines for a while, then they moved to Seattle.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually they retired in Costa Rica. But people in Greeley

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<v Speaker 2>never forgot Janelle's case and the strange circumstances, the footprints

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<v Speaker 2>in the snow, the open garage, the lack of evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>but other than a cherry tree being planted in front

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<v Speaker 2>of Janelle's middle school in her honor and local news

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<v Speaker 2>covering the case on big anniversaries, there just.

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<v Speaker 3>Wasn't much movement.

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<v Speaker 2>But then in twenty nineteen, over thirty years after Janelle's disappearance,

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<v Speaker 2>seemingly out of nowhere, there was a massive break in

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<v Speaker 2>the case. On July twenty third, twenty eighteen, a crew

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<v Speaker 2>working on.

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<v Speaker 3>An oil pipeline in a rural.

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<v Speaker 2>Area southeast of Greeley, about fifteen miles from the Matthew's

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<v Speaker 2>former family home, found human remains, including a skull with

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<v Speaker 2>braces on its teeth and part of a jawbone. Police

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<v Speaker 2>stated a few days later that the Weld County Corner's

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<v Speaker 2>Office had identified the remains as being Janelle Matthews. Police

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<v Speaker 2>also announced they found traces of red and blue fabric

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<v Speaker 2>near the remains, so it appeared as.

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<v Speaker 3>Though Janelle was still wearing the same thing that she.

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<v Speaker 2>Had been wearing the night of the Christmas concert, a

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<v Speaker 2>dark gray skirt, red blouse, and graceweater. The evidence pointed

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<v Speaker 2>to Janelle being abducted and killed the same night she

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<v Speaker 2>was taken. I cannot begin to imagine how her family

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<v Speaker 2>must have felt. But often family members say it's a

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<v Speaker 2>bag of mixed emotions. There's the part of you hoping

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<v Speaker 2>your family member could still be out there and may

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<v Speaker 2>one day return, but then also the horrific reality kicks in.

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<v Speaker 2>Janelle's sister, Jennifer, talked to the Associated Press in twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>She described finding her sister's body after all that time

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<v Speaker 2>as a miracle. Back in the day in the eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>the area where the pipeline was dug was just a

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<v Speaker 2>big deserted field in the middle of nowhere. The land

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<v Speaker 2>was bought in nineteen seventy four, but was there for

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<v Speaker 2>years totally undeveloped. Jennifer told the Associated Press quote, if

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<v Speaker 2>it would have been Doug one foot to.

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<v Speaker 3>The left or to the right, she would not have

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<v Speaker 3>been found. End quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Police confirmed very few details at the time, and when

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<v Speaker 2>they did release the autopsy report to LOFE local news channels,

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<v Speaker 2>it was heavily redacted, but they did state that the

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<v Speaker 2>fabric match the plaid skirt, blouse and sweater vest Janelle

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<v Speaker 2>wore on the night of the Christmas concert. Eventually, they

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<v Speaker 2>stated Janelle's cause of death was a gunshot wound to

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<v Speaker 2>the head.

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<v Speaker 3>Manner of death was homicide.

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<v Speaker 2>Janelle's family finally had an answer. They knew that she

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<v Speaker 2>had been murdered. She had been killed almost certainly on

0:15:10.681 --> 0:15:12.681
<v Speaker 2>the same night that she was taken from her home.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they needed to find Janelle's killer, and it didn't

0:15:17.121 --> 0:15:20.321
<v Speaker 2>take long for police to focus on a suspect, a

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<v Speaker 2>man named Steve Panky. Steve Panky's name had apparently come

0:15:24.801 --> 0:15:28.001
<v Speaker 2>up early in the investigation. He had written a series

0:15:28.081 --> 0:15:32.601
<v Speaker 2>of bizarre letters to the District Attorney's office. In those letters,

0:15:32.641 --> 0:15:36.601
<v Speaker 2>he claimed to have information about Janelle's case. Eventually, the

0:15:36.681 --> 0:15:40.801
<v Speaker 2>DA's office started returning the letters to him unopened. Steve

0:15:41.001 --> 0:15:44.801
<v Speaker 2>Pankey appeared to be kind of a strange character. By

0:15:44.841 --> 0:15:48.121
<v Speaker 2>his own admission, he lied a lot. He later testified

0:15:48.121 --> 0:15:50.681
<v Speaker 2>that he made a lot of stuff up, and the

0:15:50.761 --> 0:15:54.441
<v Speaker 2>Matthews family said back in twenty nineteen, they had never

0:15:54.481 --> 0:15:56.641
<v Speaker 2>heard that name before. They had no idea who this

0:15:56.681 --> 0:16:01.641
<v Speaker 2>guy was. On September fourth, twenty nineteen, police traveled to

0:16:01.761 --> 0:16:05.161
<v Speaker 2>Twin Falls, Idaho, to where Steve Panky was living. They

0:16:05.201 --> 0:16:09.121
<v Speaker 2>executed a search warrant on his condominium. It was reported

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<v Speaker 2>early on that Steve Panky had a tenuous connection to

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<v Speaker 2>the Matthews family, that he was a neighbor of theirs,

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<v Speaker 2>and that at some point he was a youth pastor

0:16:17.001 --> 0:16:20.841
<v Speaker 2>at their church, and he had inserted himself into the

0:16:20.881 --> 0:16:26.521
<v Speaker 2>investigation multiple times. Greeley Police Commander Roy Smith announced that

0:16:26.601 --> 0:16:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Steve Panky had made repeated attempts to speak to detectives

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<v Speaker 2>about Janelle's abduction, but then when police traveled to Idaho

0:16:34.521 --> 0:16:39.001
<v Speaker 2>and tried to question Steve, he refused to answer their questions.

0:16:40.361 --> 0:16:44.081
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen eighty four, Steve Panky lived in Greeley. At

0:16:44.081 --> 0:16:46.641
<v Speaker 2>that time, he was thirty three years old. He was

0:16:46.721 --> 0:16:49.921
<v Speaker 2>married with a five year old son. He and his

0:16:50.001 --> 0:16:53.321
<v Speaker 2>wife lived about two miles away from Janelle and her family.

0:16:53.881 --> 0:16:58.481
<v Speaker 2>At one point. Steve actually ran for governor unsuccessfully twice

0:16:58.641 --> 0:17:02.281
<v Speaker 2>in Idaho as a writing candidate in the twenty fourteen

0:17:02.361 --> 0:17:06.360
<v Speaker 2>and twenty eighteen elections. Both times he lost by a

0:17:06.521 --> 0:17:11.001
<v Speaker 2>large margin. He only ever got slightly over one percent.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the vote.

0:17:12.161 --> 0:17:15.081
<v Speaker 2>Steve Pankey was in the Army. He moved to Greeley

0:17:15.161 --> 0:17:20.041
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy three. Steve was a very religious man.

0:17:20.521 --> 0:17:23.881
<v Speaker 2>He was a member of the Sunnyview Church of the Nazarene.

0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:28.281
<v Speaker 2>This was the same church that Janelle and her family

0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.920
<v Speaker 2>were members of, but Steve and Janelle's family did not

0:17:32.001 --> 0:17:36.161
<v Speaker 2>attend that church at the same time. He testified later

0:17:36.360 --> 0:17:38.801
<v Speaker 2>that he served some of the functions of the youth pastor,

0:17:39.161 --> 0:17:43.160
<v Speaker 2>like teaching Sunday school, but church officials told police Steve

0:17:43.241 --> 0:17:44.921
<v Speaker 2>was more like a janitor at the church.

0:17:46.441 --> 0:17:48.241
<v Speaker 3>Steve always seemed.

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<v Speaker 2>To have an answer for why his stories didn't match.

0:17:50.921 --> 0:17:53.441
<v Speaker 2>He clarified in court that even though he wasn't the

0:17:53.521 --> 0:17:57.160
<v Speaker 2>official youth pastor, he did do janitorial work. He was

0:17:57.241 --> 0:18:01.440
<v Speaker 2>performing a lot of those functions. Later, Steve testified he

0:18:01.481 --> 0:18:04.600
<v Speaker 2>was asked to lead the church. He admitted he developed

0:18:04.601 --> 0:18:07.521
<v Speaker 2>a hatred for that church and some of the church officials,

0:18:07.961 --> 0:18:10.960
<v Speaker 2>and he testified that that hatred was kind of the

0:18:11.001 --> 0:18:14.160
<v Speaker 2>reason he became fixated on Janelle's case in the first place.

0:18:14.801 --> 0:18:16.761
<v Speaker 2>He believed that there was some kind of a link

0:18:16.761 --> 0:18:21.521
<v Speaker 2>between Janelle's disappearance and that church. Steve Pankey did have

0:18:21.561 --> 0:18:25.561
<v Speaker 2>a criminal record. In nineteen seventy seven, he told the

0:18:25.601 --> 0:18:28.120
<v Speaker 2>Sun newspaper that he was accused of date raping a

0:18:28.121 --> 0:18:31.001
<v Speaker 2>piano player at the church, but he said that he

0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.601
<v Speaker 2>was cleared after he took a polygraph test. Steve said

0:18:34.641 --> 0:18:37.241
<v Speaker 2>that after that he was asked to lead the church,

0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.161
<v Speaker 2>the Suny Viewed Church of the Nazarene, the same church

0:18:41.281 --> 0:18:44.481
<v Speaker 2>that Janelle's family later attended. So a lot of the

0:18:44.561 --> 0:18:48.881
<v Speaker 2>rumors about Steve being the Matthew's neighbor and attending the same.

0:18:48.801 --> 0:18:50.360
<v Speaker 3>Church really weren't true.

0:18:50.601 --> 0:18:53.241
<v Speaker 2>He lived a couple of miles away and they did

0:18:53.281 --> 0:18:56.481
<v Speaker 2>not attend the same church at the same time. Steve

0:18:56.561 --> 0:18:59.161
<v Speaker 2>married his wife Angela in nineteen seventy eight. Their son,

0:18:59.241 --> 0:19:02.881
<v Speaker 2>Mark was born in nineteen seventy nine. Over the years,

0:19:03.001 --> 0:19:05.961
<v Speaker 2>Steve Panky was also hit with a lot of lawsuits,

0:19:06.361 --> 0:19:10.080
<v Speaker 2>both civil and criminal. He seemed to get into conflicts

0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.281
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of different people, and he also made

0:19:12.321 --> 0:19:15.241
<v Speaker 2>a lot of contradictory statements. So when you listen to

0:19:15.281 --> 0:19:19.281
<v Speaker 2>Steve Panky talk, it's hard to separate fantasy from reality

0:19:19.321 --> 0:19:23.920
<v Speaker 2>at times. The case against Steve Pankey seems to be

0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.601
<v Speaker 2>largely based on statements he made about Janelle's case and

0:19:27.801 --> 0:19:32.281
<v Speaker 2>his alleged obsession with it. Steve Panky also told police

0:19:32.321 --> 0:19:35.241
<v Speaker 2>that he had a connection to Russell Ross, Diana's dad,

0:19:35.681 --> 0:19:38.561
<v Speaker 2>the person who dropped Janelle off at her home on

0:19:38.641 --> 0:19:39.161
<v Speaker 2>the last.

0:19:39.041 --> 0:19:39.921
<v Speaker 3>Night that she was alive.

0:19:40.681 --> 0:19:42.801
<v Speaker 2>Steve said that in the seventies they worked at the

0:19:42.801 --> 0:19:46.080
<v Speaker 2>same seven Up Boss company. Steve was trying to start

0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.201
<v Speaker 2>a union at the company, and he claimed that he

0:19:48.401 --> 0:19:51.201
<v Speaker 2>and Russell got into an argument over that and that

0:19:51.281 --> 0:19:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Russell physically assaulted him. In addition to sending letters to

0:19:55.201 --> 0:19:58.441
<v Speaker 2>the DA over the years, Steve Panky also talked to

0:19:58.441 --> 0:20:02.041
<v Speaker 2>the press. He did an interview with the Idaho Statesman

0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.600
<v Speaker 2>in September of twenty nineteen, and by that time he

0:20:05.641 --> 0:20:08.121
<v Speaker 2>had completely changed his story.

0:20:08.201 --> 0:20:10.920
<v Speaker 3>In that interview, he claimed that he did not know

0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:12.561
<v Speaker 3>Janelle or her family.

0:20:13.521 --> 0:20:17.241
<v Speaker 2>When he talked to detectives in twenty nineteen, he told

0:20:17.281 --> 0:20:19.641
<v Speaker 2>them that he had a lawyer and would not talk

0:20:19.681 --> 0:20:23.521
<v Speaker 2>to them without making a deal. So a big question

0:20:23.601 --> 0:20:27.321
<v Speaker 2>that came out during this investigation was what did Steve

0:20:27.361 --> 0:20:31.881
<v Speaker 2>Panky know and when did he know it. His ex wife, Angela,

0:20:31.961 --> 0:20:35.801
<v Speaker 2>told police that Steve was obsessed with Janelle's case ever

0:20:35.881 --> 0:20:40.241
<v Speaker 2>since she disappeared. Law enforcement stated they did not believe

0:20:40.281 --> 0:20:42.521
<v Speaker 2>that Steve Panky owned a gun at the time of

0:20:42.561 --> 0:20:45.801
<v Speaker 2>Janelle's abduction, and on the night of the abduction, he

0:20:45.881 --> 0:20:48.640
<v Speaker 2>had an alibi. He told police that he was at

0:20:48.641 --> 0:20:52.241
<v Speaker 2>home with his wife and children, but Steve and his

0:20:52.281 --> 0:20:55.281
<v Speaker 2>family did leave town on the morning of December twenty first,

0:20:55.401 --> 0:20:59.681
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty four, the morning after Janelle was abducted. Steve

0:20:59.761 --> 0:21:02.801
<v Speaker 2>told investigators that on that day, he, his wife, and

0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.201
<v Speaker 2>his child took a family Christmas trip to Big Bear

0:21:05.281 --> 0:21:08.201
<v Speaker 2>Lake in California, and that they stayed there with his

0:21:08.241 --> 0:21:13.041
<v Speaker 2>family until December twenty sixth. Steve's ex wife, Angela Hicks,

0:21:13.481 --> 0:21:16.321
<v Speaker 2>ended up becoming a star witness in the case against him.

0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.921
<v Speaker 2>Angela told investigators that over the years, Steve had made

0:21:20.961 --> 0:21:24.561
<v Speaker 2>a lot of statements implying that he had inside information

0:21:24.761 --> 0:21:29.601
<v Speaker 2>about Janelle's kidnapping. In two thousand and eight, Steve Panky's

0:21:29.681 --> 0:21:34.401
<v Speaker 2>son was murdered. After that, Angela told police that at

0:21:34.441 --> 0:21:38.681
<v Speaker 2>their son's funeral, she heard him say, quote, I hope

0:21:38.721 --> 0:21:41.641
<v Speaker 2>God didn't allow this to happen because of Janelle Matthews

0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:47.640
<v Speaker 2>end quote. According to the criminal indictment, police believed that

0:21:47.681 --> 0:21:51.921
<v Speaker 2>Steve quote intentionally inserted himself in the investigation many times

0:21:51.961 --> 0:21:54.721
<v Speaker 2>over the years, claiming to have knowledge of the crime,

0:21:55.161 --> 0:22:00.521
<v Speaker 2>which grew inconsistent and incriminating overtime end quote. Police also

0:22:00.601 --> 0:22:05.321
<v Speaker 2>pointed out Steve knew about the rake, which they found suspicious.

0:22:05.361 --> 0:22:08.401
<v Speaker 2>Angela said when she and Steve were driving home from

0:22:08.401 --> 0:22:11.400
<v Speaker 2>that trip to the lake on December twenty sixth, that Steve,

0:22:11.721 --> 0:22:15.121
<v Speaker 2>who didn't normally allow radio or TV inside their home,

0:22:15.561 --> 0:22:18.561
<v Speaker 2>suddenly turned on the news and was listening obsessively to

0:22:18.641 --> 0:22:22.641
<v Speaker 2>the coverage of Janelle's disappearance, and according to the indictment,

0:22:23.041 --> 0:22:25.921
<v Speaker 2>Angela claimed that after they got home from that trip,

0:22:26.441 --> 0:22:30.521
<v Speaker 2>Steve started digging in their yard. Over the years, Steve

0:22:30.601 --> 0:22:32.521
<v Speaker 2>gave many interviews about the case.

0:22:32.321 --> 0:22:33.801
<v Speaker 3>Including one with The Times.

0:22:34.361 --> 0:22:37.361
<v Speaker 2>In that interview, he said he believed he was being

0:22:37.441 --> 0:22:43.200
<v Speaker 2>framed because he was a celibate homosexual. The evidence against

0:22:43.241 --> 0:22:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Steve was entirely circumstantial. Police had no physical evidence. Steve

0:22:49.681 --> 0:22:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Pankey told local reporters that he had given police a

0:22:53.201 --> 0:22:56.481
<v Speaker 2>DNA sample, but the Greeley Police told Fox thirty one

0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.801
<v Speaker 2>that they never even made a request to obtain Steve's DNA,

0:23:00.441 --> 0:23:04.361
<v Speaker 2>so they said that statement was false. With Steve Panky,

0:23:04.401 --> 0:23:07.321
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to tell which parts of the story are true.

0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:11.041
<v Speaker 2>He said in court that Angela was simply bitter and

0:23:11.121 --> 0:23:15.401
<v Speaker 2>making up a lot of lies. According to an indictment,

0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Steve Panky looked up the details of Janelle's case electronically

0:23:19.761 --> 0:23:23.481
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of times, but it's really hard to say. Was

0:23:23.521 --> 0:23:26.640
<v Speaker 2>that because he had a role in Janelle's disappearance or

0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:29.761
<v Speaker 2>because he was a true crime fan. Later it was

0:23:29.801 --> 0:23:34.281
<v Speaker 2>reported Steve followed several true crime podcasts, So could he

0:23:34.361 --> 0:23:37.401
<v Speaker 2>have gotten the details about the case from online reports

0:23:38.281 --> 0:23:43.161
<v Speaker 2>or did he definitely know information only known to police.

0:23:43.241 --> 0:23:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Another thing that made police believe Steve Panky might have

0:23:46.641 --> 0:23:50.561
<v Speaker 2>had a role in Janelle's death was the rake. Apparently

0:23:50.641 --> 0:23:52.521
<v Speaker 2>he had mentioned the rape, the one that was used

0:23:52.561 --> 0:23:54.481
<v Speaker 2>to cover the footprints in the snow outside of.

0:23:54.441 --> 0:23:55.241
<v Speaker 3>The Matthews House.

0:23:56.121 --> 0:23:59.481
<v Speaker 2>Now, police state that no one knew about the rake

0:23:59.561 --> 0:24:03.361
<v Speaker 2>at the time when Steve mentioned it. Police also pointed

0:24:03.401 --> 0:24:05.801
<v Speaker 2>to details of a letter that Steve wrote to law

0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:10.080
<v Speaker 2>enforcement in twenty thirteen. It read, quote, about a week

0:24:10.121 --> 0:24:13.400
<v Speaker 2>after the fact, I realized a blanket or comforter or

0:24:13.401 --> 0:24:17.961
<v Speaker 2>a quilt also disappeared from the Matthews house. Some experiences

0:24:18.041 --> 0:24:25.001
<v Speaker 2>are hard to forget end quote. Apparently, police believe this

0:24:25.121 --> 0:24:28.601
<v Speaker 2>could refer to the fact that Janelle's remains were found

0:24:28.881 --> 0:24:34.921
<v Speaker 2>wrapped in a bedsheet. On October ninth, twenty twenty, a

0:24:34.921 --> 0:24:40.120
<v Speaker 2>grand jury indicted Steve Panky on charges of kidnapping and murder.

0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Steve's trial started in October of twenty twenty one. He

0:24:50.721 --> 0:24:53.400
<v Speaker 2>took the stand in his own defense. At times, he

0:24:53.561 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 2>rambled for a long time to answer the questions. Steve

0:24:56.961 --> 0:25:00.601
<v Speaker 2>described himself as a fantasist and a liar. He admitted that,

0:25:01.241 --> 0:25:05.241
<v Speaker 2>but again he completely denied any involvement in Janelle's kidnapping

0:25:05.241 --> 0:25:09.201
<v Speaker 2>and murder. Steve's ex wife, Angela Hicks, was a major

0:25:09.281 --> 0:25:12.801
<v Speaker 2>part of the prosecution's case. She talked about that trip

0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:15.521
<v Speaker 2>that their family took on December first, nineteen eighty four,

0:25:15.601 --> 0:25:16.201
<v Speaker 2>to Big Bear.

0:25:16.921 --> 0:25:18.921
<v Speaker 3>She testified the trip was unplanned.

0:25:19.361 --> 0:25:22.521
<v Speaker 2>She said Steve basically rushed in and told her on

0:25:22.601 --> 0:25:25.001
<v Speaker 2>December twentieth they were packing up and leaving for Big

0:25:25.001 --> 0:25:28.321
<v Speaker 2>Bear for Christmas and they needed to leave pretty much immediately.

0:25:29.281 --> 0:25:32.681
<v Speaker 2>Steve completely denied this. He said the trip was planned

0:25:32.721 --> 0:25:35.721
<v Speaker 2>well in advance. It was not last minute or spontaneous.

0:25:36.881 --> 0:25:39.521
<v Speaker 2>Steve said that Angela was lying about him because she

0:25:39.601 --> 0:25:43.121
<v Speaker 2>was angry and bitter. He talked about their relationship, how

0:25:43.161 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Angela was virgin when they met. He said he had

0:25:46.001 --> 0:25:49.121
<v Speaker 2>basically been pressured by a youth group pastor to marry her,

0:25:49.481 --> 0:25:51.241
<v Speaker 2>to do what he thought was the right thing at

0:25:51.281 --> 0:25:54.201
<v Speaker 2>the time. He said he and Angela had never had

0:25:54.201 --> 0:25:58.120
<v Speaker 2>a good relationship. Steve said he believed that Angela was

0:25:58.201 --> 0:26:01.041
<v Speaker 2>lying after all this time in order to get some

0:26:01.201 --> 0:26:05.401
<v Speaker 2>kind of revenge against him. Steve gave details that ran

0:26:05.521 --> 0:26:10.321
<v Speaker 2>contrary to Angela's testimony about that Christmas trip. He testified

0:26:10.361 --> 0:26:13.281
<v Speaker 2>that three weeks or a month before the trip, he

0:26:13.441 --> 0:26:15.880
<v Speaker 2>worked out with his parents that he would drive to

0:26:16.041 --> 0:26:20.160
<v Speaker 2>California to where they lived. Steve testified he and his

0:26:20.201 --> 0:26:22.281
<v Speaker 2>family were having serious financial.

0:26:21.961 --> 0:26:22.961
<v Speaker 3>Issues at that time.

0:26:23.401 --> 0:26:25.680
<v Speaker 2>He said they couldn't even afford to feed their dogs

0:26:25.681 --> 0:26:28.481
<v Speaker 2>they had to leave them at the pound. So before

0:26:28.561 --> 0:26:31.120
<v Speaker 2>the trip, he said, he arranged to have his dad

0:26:31.401 --> 0:26:34.561
<v Speaker 2>mail them to credit cards so that he could finance

0:26:34.561 --> 0:26:38.321
<v Speaker 2>the trip. He pointed out all of this planning took time.

0:26:39.161 --> 0:26:41.721
<v Speaker 2>Steve stated he got the gas credit card in the

0:26:41.721 --> 0:26:44.521
<v Speaker 2>mail on December twentieth. He said to use the car

0:26:44.641 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 2>to put gas in his car at a local gas station.

0:26:47.401 --> 0:26:49.441
<v Speaker 2>He bought a six pack of pepsi so he would

0:26:49.441 --> 0:26:52.441
<v Speaker 2>have something to drink on the road. Steve said that

0:26:52.521 --> 0:26:55.041
<v Speaker 2>on the night of December twentieth, he and Angela put

0:26:55.041 --> 0:26:58.281
<v Speaker 2>their son to bed early because they planned on getting

0:26:58.321 --> 0:27:01.241
<v Speaker 2>up at dawn to drive to Big Bear. Steve said

0:27:01.281 --> 0:27:04.321
<v Speaker 2>he remembered looking out for weather conditions. He was worried

0:27:04.321 --> 0:27:07.801
<v Speaker 2>about snow falling through the evening. He wasn't worried about

0:27:07.801 --> 0:27:10.201
<v Speaker 2>the highways, but he was worried they might get blocked

0:27:10.201 --> 0:27:14.641
<v Speaker 2>into their driveway. Steve said Angela had already packed the car.

0:27:15.001 --> 0:27:17.521
<v Speaker 2>They got up at around four or five am. They

0:27:17.601 --> 0:27:20.481
<v Speaker 2>drove to Big Bear. He said they drove straight through

0:27:20.521 --> 0:27:23.360
<v Speaker 2>on the twenty first, stayed at his parents' house, and

0:27:23.401 --> 0:27:27.441
<v Speaker 2>then came home on December twenty sixth. Steve Panky said

0:27:27.561 --> 0:27:31.640
<v Speaker 2>he never went to Janelle Matthews's home. In fact, he

0:27:31.721 --> 0:27:34.321
<v Speaker 2>said he had no idea where she even lived. He

0:27:34.361 --> 0:27:38.001
<v Speaker 2>said he had never laid a hand on her. When

0:27:38.001 --> 0:27:41.400
<v Speaker 2>he was asked about being obsessed with Janelle's case, he

0:27:41.481 --> 0:27:44.721
<v Speaker 2>admitted he did listen to and fall details of the

0:27:44.721 --> 0:27:47.360
<v Speaker 2>case like a lot of other people. Steve said he

0:27:47.401 --> 0:27:50.281
<v Speaker 2>did remember listening to the radio on the car ride

0:27:50.321 --> 0:27:53.121
<v Speaker 2>back to Greeley, but he said that was just a coincidence.

0:27:53.121 --> 0:27:55.721
<v Speaker 2>When they drove into Colorado. The news report came on

0:27:56.041 --> 0:27:59.041
<v Speaker 2>about a missing thirteen year old girl in their area.

0:27:59.401 --> 0:28:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Of course he was interested. Steve was asked about Angela's testimony,

0:28:04.801 --> 0:28:06.841
<v Speaker 2>the part where she said that after they got back

0:28:06.881 --> 0:28:09.641
<v Speaker 2>home from the Big Bear trip, he started digging in

0:28:09.681 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 2>their yard. Steve denied ever digging in the yard. He

0:28:13.641 --> 0:28:15.881
<v Speaker 2>said they got home late at night, it was around

0:28:15.921 --> 0:28:18.681
<v Speaker 2>eleven pm. He said, they put their son to bed

0:28:18.761 --> 0:28:23.321
<v Speaker 2>and went to bed themselves. Steve admitted that he had

0:28:23.401 --> 0:28:25.721
<v Speaker 2>started what he called a series of lies.

0:28:26.281 --> 0:28:27.841
<v Speaker 3>He talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the information being tied to the people who

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<v Speaker 2>worked at the Sony of you Nazarene church.

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<v Speaker 3>He said he hated them, and he admitted he.

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<v Speaker 2>Had a personal grudge against Russell Ross, Deirdre's father, but

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<v Speaker 2>he never really gave a satisfactory explanation for why he

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<v Speaker 2>started all these lies. Finally, he was asked how he

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<v Speaker 2>knew about the footprints in the snow.

0:28:49.241 --> 0:28:51.241
<v Speaker 3>Steve Pankey stated.

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<v Speaker 2>That it was Detective Lockwood, an investigator on the case,

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<v Speaker 2>who told him in nineteen ninety two or nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>three that there were footprints in the snow, footprints that

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<v Speaker 2>had been raped.

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<v Speaker 3>He testified that.

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<v Speaker 2>He did later sometime in the nineties, tell his wife

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<v Speaker 2>about the footprints in the rake, but he emphasized he

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<v Speaker 2>heard it from the police, not the other way around.

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<v Speaker 2>So you had two very different descriptions of Steve Pankey

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<v Speaker 2>being presented in court. Prosecutors called him a master manipulator.

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<v Speaker 2>His attorney claimed he was a mentally ill fantasist. Steve's

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<v Speaker 2>lawyers also pointed to an alternative suspect, a man named

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<v Speaker 2>Norris Drake. Noris Drake had been questioned by police. His

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<v Speaker 2>mother and sister lived right across the street from the

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<v Speaker 2>Matthews home, and he was there at his mom's house

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<v Speaker 2>on the night when Janelle went missing. According to court testimony,

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<v Speaker 2>his mother said that he was in the house the

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<v Speaker 2>whole time that night. She was his alibi. But according

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<v Speaker 2>to what Steve's attorney said, there was evidence that Norris

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly went missing for several hours on the night Janelle

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<v Speaker 2>went missing, but and it's not clear why from what

0:30:04.121 --> 0:30:07.681
<v Speaker 2>came out in court, police didn't take the lead any further.

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<v Speaker 2>Police also talked to Norris's girlfriend. She told police that

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<v Speaker 2>Norris had an interest in young women who had just

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<v Speaker 2>reached puberty. Steve's attorney stated in court that Norris made

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<v Speaker 2>statements about how Janelle had matured and talked about how

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<v Speaker 2>Norris's ex girlfriend had said Norris had an unusual interest

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<v Speaker 2>in young girls. Norris also had a criminal record involving

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<v Speaker 2>theft and drug charges. Apparently he had stolen some personal

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<v Speaker 2>property from his roommate, so the defense's theory was that

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<v Speaker 2>Norris could have either gone in through the open garage

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<v Speaker 2>door or possibly all the way into the house. The

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<v Speaker 2>attorneys said the motives could have been theft or sexual assault,

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<v Speaker 2>and that it's possible that things got out of control.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve's attorney stated Steve wasn't the only one who knew

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<v Speaker 2>about that rake in those footprints. He said Norris Drake

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<v Speaker 2>also mentioned the knowledge of a rake to police. Well

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<v Speaker 2>District attorney Michael Rohrer said that the statements by Noris

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<v Speaker 2>Drake were taken out of context. He said Norris had

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<v Speaker 2>found out about the rake because he lived across the

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<v Speaker 2>street and his mom had been talking about it, and

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<v Speaker 2>the DA also said Norris had made statements about the

0:31:20.401 --> 0:31:24.041
<v Speaker 2>rake that weren't accurate, including that the rake was used

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<v Speaker 2>to hide multiple sets of footprints from juveniles. Again, there

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<v Speaker 2>was only one set of footprints found, with a shoe

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<v Speaker 2>size of nine to eleven. Police never found a match

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<v Speaker 2>to those prints. Steve Pankey's murder trial started on October thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one. On November four, twenty twenty one, the

0:31:45.601 --> 0:31:47.761
<v Speaker 2>jury announced they could not reach a verdict on the

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<v Speaker 2>murder and kidnapping charges.

0:31:50.041 --> 0:31:51.801
<v Speaker 3>They did vote to convict.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve on one misdemeanor count of making false statements to police.

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<v Speaker 2>The defense argued that Steve displayed signs of mental illness

0:31:59.161 --> 0:32:02.201
<v Speaker 2>and that his obsessive interest in the case happened because,

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<v Speaker 2>according to his attorney, he had Asperger's syndrome. Steve's second

0:32:07.001 --> 0:32:10.561
<v Speaker 2>trial started in October of twenty twenty two. At the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the second trial, Steve Pankey was found guilty

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<v Speaker 2>of felony murder and kidnapping. He was sentenced to life

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<v Speaker 2>in prison with the possibility of parole after twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>But Steve Panky was seventy one years old at the

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<v Speaker 2>time of conviction, so for him this is almost certainly

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<v Speaker 2>a life sentence. Janelle Matthew's family has said they are

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<v Speaker 2>relieved to have finally found some kind of closure. According

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<v Speaker 2>to The New York Times once the trial was over,

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<v Speaker 2>Janelle's mom, Gloria said, quote, I just want to cry.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot forgive him for how he killed Janelle. God

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<v Speaker 2>is the only one who can forgive evil, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is evil.

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<v Speaker 3>End quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Panky stated for the record that he was innocent

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<v Speaker 2>and that this was not justice for Janelle. So Janelle's

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<v Speaker 2>case is officially closed, but a lot of people still

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<v Speaker 2>wonder did Steve Pankey really kidnap and kill Janelle? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>his behavior was suspicious, but it's also totally circumstantial, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's not even any evidence that he ever met anyone

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<v Speaker 2>in the Matthews family, including Janelle. A lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>early headlines about potential connections are, in my opinion, a

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<v Speaker 2>little misleading. They talk about the fact that Janelle and

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<v Speaker 2>Steve were neighbors and that Steve was a youth pastor

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<v Speaker 2>at the family church. Of course, when I dug deeper,

0:33:31.041 --> 0:33:33.761
<v Speaker 2>I found out the neighbors meant miles away, and that

0:33:33.801 --> 0:33:36.401
<v Speaker 2>they didn't even attend the same church at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's still never really explained how or why Steve

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<v Speaker 2>Panky would be at Janelle's house that night and be

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<v Speaker 2>able to kidnap her, drive the body miles away and

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<v Speaker 2>dispose of it. There's no DNA and no evidence that

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<v Speaker 2>police even ever asked for it. And as for the

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<v Speaker 2>other potential suspect mentioned in court, Noris Drake died in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and seven. But among everything else, all the

0:34:02.081 --> 0:34:05.201
<v Speaker 2>strange facts of this case, I keep going.

0:34:05.001 --> 0:34:05.841
<v Speaker 3>Back to the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>I keep thinking about the open garage door. Deanna and

0:34:10.801 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 2>her dad said that the garage door was open when

0:34:13.121 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Janelle got home. All evidence points to Janelle coming into

0:34:16.641 --> 0:34:19.720
<v Speaker 2>her house, taking off her stockings, pulling up that space heater,

0:34:20.161 --> 0:34:22.800
<v Speaker 2>and getting comfortable, snuggling in for a night at TV.

0:34:23.681 --> 0:34:25.841
<v Speaker 2>At some point she answered the phone, she took the

0:34:25.881 --> 0:34:29.361
<v Speaker 2>message for her dad, and then presumably between around eight

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:32.240
<v Speaker 2>thirty when she took the call and nine thirty pm

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<v Speaker 2>when her dad got home, someone.

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<v Speaker 3>Came into that house.

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<v Speaker 2>Could the intruder have been Norris or someone else who

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<v Speaker 2>was waiting in the garage when she got home. Was

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<v Speaker 2>it someone who looked at her through the windows of

0:34:44.881 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 2>that house and saw an opportunity to attack? And then

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<v Speaker 2>there are those footprints in the snow, footprints that police

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<v Speaker 2>say were partially raked away by the rake that was

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<v Speaker 2>in the family garage. In my opinion, that points to

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<v Speaker 2>someone spending some time in that garage, at least long

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<v Speaker 2>enough to see the rake there and grab it. This,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, points to a crime of opportunity rather

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<v Speaker 2>than something that was pre planned. So I find myself

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<v Speaker 2>wondering who crept into that dark garage and will we

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