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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 2: and Rhett with you. Rhett. I used to use this

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Speaker 2: part of the show, the intro you ha in the end,

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Speaker 2: and now it's like, not only am I not I'm

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Speaker 2: not doing that, but like I think I'm actively rooting

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Speaker 2: for them to win the whole day.

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Speaker 1: Let's go. We got you on board, Fucky.

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Speaker 2: I think they can. I think they can.

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Speaker 3: Oh they probably can't, but read be careful. That might

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Speaker 3: be reverse psychology. It is now, it might be. It

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Speaker 3: might be if DJ is like all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: you know what, Buck.

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Speaker 2: I see it, I see I see it happening, and see, No,

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Speaker 2: this is the thing. This is the thing for those

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Speaker 2: that don't listen to the Potter watch us. You know

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Speaker 2: what I do. I go straight to Twitter efforts. Hey,

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Speaker 2: as someone who's born in Fort Wa, Indiana, nice to

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Speaker 2: see the home team bring one home.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I technically I am the only one of the

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Speaker 2: three that's a Hoosier. So that's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: That's fair.

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Speaker 1: But there's a serious note.

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Speaker 5: There's there's probably eight to ten NFL players like on

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Speaker 5: that roster. I'm not saying they're all going to be

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Speaker 5: top picks, but and maybe some some go undrafted and

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Speaker 5: play like a couple of guys this year did a

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Speaker 5: palm returning kick return for the Vikings Miles Price. But

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Speaker 5: like there's there's four or five guys on the defense,

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Speaker 5: there's a pair of receivers, obviously Mendoza kind of left tackle.

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Speaker 5: I mean, like there's actual legitimate dudes on this roster,

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Speaker 5: which is a big reason why they're up there.

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Speaker 2: Well, I also think real quick and we'll get off Indiana.

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Speaker 2: But Buck to me, like one of those signs of

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Speaker 2: a great culture too is that when you play inferior teams,

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Speaker 2: you absolutely lay the hammer down. And they are not

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Speaker 2: They are not messing around with bad teams, man, They're

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Speaker 2: they're laying waste to them very quickly.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, man, I think there is something to be

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Speaker 3: in the net with a sledgehammer, and you you can

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Speaker 3: get your team focused on a let's not mess around,

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Speaker 3: let's take care of the teams that we're supposed to be.

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Speaker 4: To me, that's next level.

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Speaker 3: I would say this going from good to great, But

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Speaker 3: I would say going from great to elite is what

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Speaker 3: Indianas is sprying to do.

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Speaker 4: And you know, the hardest thing.

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Speaker 3: And I've heard Signetti a few times talk on podcasts

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Speaker 3: or whatever it is, someone has to be the bad

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Speaker 4: To wheel the hammer when they're.

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Speaker 3: Not up to the standard, and he says, I certainly

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Speaker 3: don't mind doing that.

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Speaker 4: And it shows up in the way that they play

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Speaker 4: each and every week.

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Speaker 5: I think the messaging is elite from Kurt Signetti to

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Speaker 5: his team and the buy in is one hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: I mean at this point, like he comes out and says, well,

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Speaker 5: we're playing a three and oh UCLA team, you know,

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Speaker 5: like never mind the fact before. Yeah, you know, I

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Speaker 5: think that's a that's a big thing in today's go

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Speaker 5: we talked about Dan Lanning is a great communicator and

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Speaker 5: a guy who has the pulse of his team like

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Speaker 5: Signetti does it just in a different way and really

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Speaker 5: reaches these guys. And look, last thing I'll say on it,

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Speaker 5: I want sixteen games.

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Speaker 1: In my five.

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Speaker 5: Years at Indiana, they won fourteen straight home games and

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Speaker 5: they've won nine games by thirty or more points than

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Speaker 5: Signetti Lee here go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, talking about a guy that can coach ball speaking

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Speaker 2: Chiefs rolling here boys twenty eight to seven. I went

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Speaker 2: through and watched the offensive tape this morning because I

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Speaker 2: to me is they stress you and stretch you and

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Speaker 2: you've got another potential ball carrier. There's so much run

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Speaker 2: action where you can zip the ball out. It's a

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Speaker 2: lot easier buck than having to block guys. Is when

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Speaker 2: you can have a little rpo where you've got a

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Speaker 2: like we're just playing with everybody else inside the box here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it reminds me of the old Art

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Speaker 3: you have to adjust. If you don't adjust it, keep

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Speaker 3: flinging it out there until they widen. You out and

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Speaker 3: then they hand it off. Tennessee does a version of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean it's very, very difficult, and if you're doing

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Speaker 3: simple math, it is a lot easier to create explosive

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Speaker 3: to that. It certainly has balanced out the offense and

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 5: I think I go back to the social media posts

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Speaker 5: to from Patrick Mahomes like, boy, when Rashid Rice gets healthy,

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Speaker 5: we're going to be dangerous. I mean yes, I mean

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Speaker 5: what Rashi can do. And I think just looking at

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Speaker 5: nine completions in this game, but they're at or behind

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Speaker 5: Hollywood can get down the field, and Travis is so

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Speaker 5: that piece of the game. To have that available for

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Speaker 5: you to just get yards. Man, it's it's been pretty

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Speaker 2: Here's my here's my one coaching drill thought. I've never

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever put this one out there, Buck,

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Speaker 2: but I'm watching that tape and I say it. I

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Speaker 2: see the Chiefs a bunch just doing the Charger games

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Speaker 2: to see him every year since Mahomes has been there,

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Speaker 2: you multiple times, and like, if you're going to have

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Speaker 2: the Jordan rules or the Mahomes rules, like close to

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Speaker 2: the top of that rule list as you cannot rush

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Speaker 2: past the quarterback. So here's my here's my week of

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Speaker 2: that is, you know, say that's it. If that's it

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Speaker 2: our pass rush srials. I'm gonna but we're gonna do

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Speaker 2: going to rush beyond the quarterback. Every time it happens,

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Speaker 2: and he can he's with his arm, he can hit

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Speaker 2: the whole field and you are in deep trouble. But

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Speaker 2: there's got to be some creative way where you can

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Speaker 2: try and drill that and practice that of just you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, I think you have to

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Speaker 3: be aware. It has to be talked about, it has

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Speaker 3: to be worked on. You right to think about athletic quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: You want to run, rush to the depth of the

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Speaker 3: and not beyond it because they're looking to get out

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Speaker 4: And with him, you want to make him throw from

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Speaker 4: the well. And it's easier to say that, harder to

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Speaker 4: execute it. But that's the trick.

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Speaker 3: So many of their explosive plays where there's him on, runs,

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Speaker 3: now I can know where the ball is going. As

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Speaker 3: opposed to this free fraud that we haven't to defend,

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Speaker 3: I'd rather, literally, do you know, break the cardinal rule

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Speaker 2: His shoulders are square and there's no blade of grass.

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Speaker 2: He can't hit. If you're forcing him his shoulders to

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Speaker 2: which I feel like we're seeing a little bit more

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Speaker 2: kind of that's a very cology thing to look at. No, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: It's one of those things that it all stress you,

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Speaker 3: just in terms of just the strong flood passing game

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Speaker 3: protecting the backside. It is a collegiate thing, but we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Rhett, I'll i'll no longer delay the

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Speaker 2: inevitable and we can jump into the rookie draft. Oh sure,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure you were coming back. We were worried, man. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you have a filled in for me last week. I

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Speaker 2: I'll take it tied up, Rhett. So right now, here's

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Speaker 2: where we stand. We have RHTT at thirty seven. It's

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Speaker 2: a strong number. I'm at thirty two bucks at twenty six.

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Speaker 2: It just takes one week. Buck, we get one good

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Speaker 2: week and we're right back, and we're right back in

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Speaker 4: I don't know, man, it's just he's he's having his waiting.

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Speaker 2: I'm just feeling, you know, let me man, let me

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Speaker 2: handle some business here. First of all, if you want

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Speaker 2: to watch rookies and watch all these players that I

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Speaker 2: would encourage you to sign up for NFL Plus Premium

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Speaker 2: and check out NFL Pro, where you can access over

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Speaker 2: importantly the All twenty two film. It's available on desktop

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Speaker 2: and the mobile web. So when I'm doing it, we

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Speaker 2: go to the rookie draft this week. Look at that.

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Speaker 2: Look who has the first pick? Who do we have

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Speaker 2: for buys? By the way, Gav throw throw it in there. Oh,

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Speaker 2: here we go Cleveland, Tampa, Bay the Jets and.

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Speaker 4: Like four Cannon nor Buka.

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Speaker 5: Judkins, Ts Johnson got me a nice second points beat

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Speaker 5: out Boka for the for the wide receiver on his

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: I know, I know.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you this dude is over here making phone calls.

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Speaker 3: He's making phone calls over course the weekend. He's over

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Speaker 5: I don't know what's going on. Yeah, I mean trading,

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Speaker 5: that's what we got. Well, you know, I think I

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Speaker 5: Here for the number one overall pick. Again, You're gonna

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Speaker 2: I'll give you. I'll give your reason why right now,

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Speaker 2: It's been out playing him and who is going up

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Speaker 2: heater by the way, Yeah he is tight end tight

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Speaker 2: end there, buck. You get to double up, Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 2: I get to double up. It's freaking crummy.

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Speaker 4: Let's go what raiders are going against? The jack going

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Speaker 3: Uh wide receiver and oh I know, I'm just gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I've got a couple of different options here.

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Speaker 2: Uh man, there's a running back I like, but I'm

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Speaker 2: hoping that's not gonna take him, so I could maybe

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Speaker 4: Man all right.

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Speaker 2: I yeah, I think I've I've got to do it here.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go t mac.

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Speaker 2: Okay, some other good options, but that's where I'm going.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So you're going to McMillan. You're not sure you're

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, that was like the only positive part

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Speaker 1: Everything else was was pretty bad. Okay, boys, Kataboo being

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Speaker 2: It just leave my guy, leave me my guy, don't

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Speaker 1: It's just tough man.

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Speaker 5: hard one. I'm gonna go r J. Harvey running back

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Speaker 5: give me r J. And then I'm gonna go for

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Speaker 2: This sucks really Harvey. I was gonna take him with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I can't do it.

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Speaker 5: This is this is really a bare bones group right now,

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Speaker 1: Uh give me shoot, I gotta double up here in

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Speaker 1: this game. Oh you know what, God give me? Jalen

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Speaker 2: I started in my fantasy league last week.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I mean no Patser Tan there for the Broncos

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Speaker 5: something to think about.

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Speaker 1: It's really good defense, though.

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Speaker 5: I obviously it's going to tie into what we got

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Speaker 5: hard to like, you go Higgins or you go Nole,

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Speaker 5: But like I think Nole's getting more targets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, no, I I had my that was

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Speaker 2: the choice that I had last week. I was just

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Speaker 2: Bill has nine carries twenty five yards, thirteen carries for

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Speaker 2: him live in person. Go for a buck eleven on

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Speaker 2: October fifth. But I've got no other option, so going

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Speaker 2: big beat, Okay, going Bill?

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, I Saw just gonna show up a

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Speaker 3: So let's go Coastin Lovelin.

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Speaker 1: Colston Loveland, Ghost A game plan Ghost Colston Loveland.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he showed up in the game. At least sw

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Speaker 2: He was there. I did prove life from lying he was.

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Speaker 4: He was on the field.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see if we can close some ground on him.

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Speaker 2: All right, we h We're gonna take a break. We

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Speaker 2: This week it's going to be the defensive coordinator of

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Speaker 2: the Broncos, Vance Joseph. We'll get to him as well

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Speaker 2: as one other thought. On a playoff team, a team

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Speaker 2: I want to bounce something off you guys right after this.

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Speaker 2: All right, So I was talking to my buddies Brock

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Speaker 2: because we're talking about different things with the Seahawks, and

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Speaker 2: he had this term. I had never heard of this.

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Speaker 2: They have a mob mentality. Have you guys aware of

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 2: I it is mob mob mission mission over bs. Oh,

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Speaker 2: So that's their little slogan up there, like, so, hey,

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Speaker 2: And you know, I think that's that's kind of a

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Speaker 2: that's a scrappy It's a scrappy bunch they have up

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Speaker 1: Yeah, mentality, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean there's different, right, there's different ways to to kind

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Speaker 5: like you you know, it's catchy, it's memorable. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: That's uh, it's like.

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Speaker 2: A no distraction that. Yeah, it's kind of like a

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Speaker 2: no distract, like what are we doing? This isn't Everything's

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Speaker 2: none of this other stuff. And you know what it means, Bucke.

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Speaker 2: It means that even though you pay Cooper Cup a

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Speaker 2: tail off like that. Yeah, that's that's mob mob mentality there, and.

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Speaker 5: A Sunday night er this week against the Commanders, maybe

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Speaker 2: That'll I think Bill I need Bill needs.

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Speaker 2: Then I get, I don't know, Buck, have you give

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Speaker 3: Well, actually something that we learned from Chris Peterson on

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Speaker 2: So yeah, what's what's Signetti's Surely he's got.

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Speaker 5: Stasysal relentless, you know, it's like that's his that's his mantra.

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Speaker 5: But then it's like he is on the hunt for

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Speaker 5: Like the most on edge I've ever seen is the

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Speaker 5: sixty to off, you know, like he is constantly like

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Speaker 5: of I kind of appreciate that, Like we've gotten some

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Speaker 5: you know, like Greg Sheanno. We had this past week

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Speaker 5: with Rutgers four game losing streak. You know, all he

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Speaker 2: Chop right, keep chop chopping, keep shopping.

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Speaker 1: You know, uh, you know PJ. Fleck obviously has you know,

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Speaker 5: Lot blame complain to fleck uh and and how that

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Speaker 5: you're blaming somebody, you're complaining about some you know. It's like,

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Speaker 5: get away from the BCD mindset, right and focus in,

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Speaker 5: you to break this this streak. I think that's a

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Speaker 5: that's a pretty important one too, and it's an easy

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Speaker 5: one for anybody in any walk of life to get

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Speaker 2: No, it is good, I mean to me, I think

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Speaker 2: that's it. That's when you have a good slogan or

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Speaker 2: So that is interesting. I like that one. All right, guys,

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Speaker 2: and every week our Hot Coordinator of the Week, and

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Speaker 2: it's what he's done all year long. Vance Joseph Big

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Speaker 2: win over the Cowboys for the Broncos forty four to

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Speaker 2: twenty four, held the Dak Prescott to a season low

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Speaker 2: number five scoring defense, number five, total defense, number one

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Speaker 2: this is the most incredible part, and I think this

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Speaker 2: You know, that's kind of like the one of those catchphrases.

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Speaker 2: Vance Joseph was the defensive coordinator prior in Arizona, but

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Speaker 2: as the head coach, and I don't think you've heard

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Speaker 2: anybody ever even talk about it. He just went in there,

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Speaker 2: did his job, and Buck, he's doing his job at

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Speaker 3: I mean, in fact, he's doing it at a level

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Speaker 3: Sean Payton stuck with him. Vans Joseph didn't change his

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Speaker 3: how dominant this defense has been. When you think about

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Speaker 3: the Defensive Player of the Year candidate and some of

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Speaker 3: the other players who have flourished within this system. Yeah,

438
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Speaker 3: he's going to have a pretty good resume to build

439
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Speaker 3: when it comes time to have that conversation on which

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Speaker 3: coaches should be hot candidates to get a hit coaching gig.

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Speaker 5: You know, one of those guys that you're talking about,

442
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Speaker 5: Zach Allen, I would love to get at one point,

443
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Speaker 5: I'd love to get a report from you on DJ

444
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Speaker 5: on Zach Allen, third round pick in the in the

445
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Speaker 5: nineteen year Cardinals nineteen drafts in college, but yes.

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Speaker 1: Indeed Boston College.

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Speaker 5: You know kind of a you know, not your typical

448
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Speaker 5: interior D lineman in the league, like a little bit

449
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Speaker 5: lighter and I think he subbed three hundred pounds like

450
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Speaker 5: two eighty five, and you know he's I mean, shoot it,

451
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Speaker 5: it was a pro bowler last year, right, yeah, it

452
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Speaker 5: was a very good player.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean he ended up with what was it eight

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Speaker 5: and a half sacks last year in his second year

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Speaker 5: with the Broncos.

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Speaker 2: Right, so you know I got it right here by

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Speaker 2: the way, went all.

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Speaker 1: Right, let's let's hear it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hear it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So coming out of Boston College, he was six oh

463
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Speaker 2: four to one eighty one, so just over six for four,

464
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Speaker 2: two eighty one pounds. He ran five flat and indie

465
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Speaker 2: d N slash three tech. He can DAC and tackle.

466
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Speaker 2: He's a rigid, powerful player, plays with tremendous effort. Didn't

467
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Speaker 2: think he dominated the Senior Bowl just okay there. I

468
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Speaker 2: thought just needed more of a pass rush plan. But

469
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Speaker 2: you've got the body, you've got the effort and the motor,

470
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Speaker 2: and clearly he's found everything else. He was about right

471
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Speaker 2: around where I had him. He was my seventy second player.

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Speaker 2: He was the sixty fifth pick. So he's you know,

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Speaker 2: you can even make a case that some and I

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Speaker 2: give obviously give the organization, the coaches credit, but somewhat

475
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Speaker 2: of a self made guy too. I mean he's just

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Speaker 2: he's taken the you know, his initial skill set and

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Speaker 2: he's broadened it and expanded it when in the NFL well, and.

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Speaker 5: It goes back to also because he was there in

479
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Speaker 5: Arizona when Vance was there right as the DC, and

480
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Speaker 5: then they're able to bring him over the familiarity of

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Speaker 5: system and understanding like this guy's going to this guy

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Speaker 5: understands what I do well, and he's going to put

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Speaker 5: me in a position to do those things. So, yeah,

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Speaker 5: he was the advance was that they drafted him right

485
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Speaker 5: when Vance had just just gotten there in twenty nineteen,

486
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Speaker 5: so really kind of saw from the ground up and

487
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Speaker 5: then obviously allowed the Broncos to go make that again.

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Speaker 5: Just kind of coming back to that. Man, it's they've

489
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Speaker 5: identified players in a really really positive way. And Nick Benito,

490
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Speaker 5: you know, was what second round or third round. We've

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Speaker 5: talked about him a bunch on the show. Their second

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Speaker 5: level linebackers. They've hit more on the guys, you know,

493
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Speaker 5: like was Drew Sanders was like the high draft pick,

494
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Speaker 5: and now it's and Singleton that are out there, you know,

495
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Speaker 5: dominating not to say that they're you know, they're not

496
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Speaker 5: great players. But I just think that they continue to

497
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Speaker 5: find ways just to get the most out of their roster.

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Speaker 5: Oh Riley Moss over here, you've got the lowest completion

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Speaker 5: percentage against.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's targeted a heck of a lot. I

501
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Speaker 2: know Jday Barn comes up with a big interception this

502
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Speaker 2: last week, So that's how that's how talented they are,

503
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Speaker 2: though that he's had a tough time finding snapped. Yeah,

504
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Speaker 2: in that secondary as a first round pick, Bluck, I

505
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Speaker 2: want to hit you on this when it comes to

506
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Speaker 2: what Vance has done. You think about a lot of times,

507
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Speaker 2: you know, obviously the skill set of the guys, but

508
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Speaker 2: then marrying it up with the scheme and the way

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Speaker 2: I think of them and why they're so successful is

510
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Speaker 2: they have I would almost use it like if I

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Speaker 2: was gonna use a phrase, I would say they have

512
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Speaker 2: its darts in doubt, Like they have guys off the

513
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Speaker 2: edge with the best get off times in the NFL,

514
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Speaker 2: with their two edge rushers. The elite, elite, elite just

515
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Speaker 2: darts off the edge. And what they do is that

516
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Speaker 2: they give you they mug up and they put guys

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Speaker 2: up on the line of scrimmage, and so they create

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Speaker 2: that little sliver of doubt, and if you have a

519
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Speaker 2: little doubt about who's coming and who's not coming, and

520
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Speaker 2: you've got those blazers coming off the edge, you are

521
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Speaker 2: not blocking them and it is over quickly. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, it's funny, and you can do that one when

523
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Speaker 3: you have really smart defenders. Two, when you got enough

524
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Speaker 3: versatility in the within the defensive front and the back

525
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Speaker 3: end to be able to kind of we used to

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Speaker 3: talk about position lists football having a bunch of different

527
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Speaker 3: like athletes in terms of similar size, similar sk that

528
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Speaker 3: can do a bunch of different things.

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Speaker 4: They lean into it. And you also have to be

530
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Speaker 4: fearless as a play caller to know that you're guys

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Speaker 4: who are going to be able to execute.

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Speaker 3: These exotic disguises, the exotic pre snap looks and get

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Speaker 3: to post snap coverage and execute it.

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Speaker 4: And they've been able to do it.

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Speaker 3: Certainly helps when you have a guy like a Pastor

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Speaker 3: ten and some of these other guys that they have,

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Speaker 3: but you talked about Riley Moss has been integrated and

538
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Speaker 3: incorporated into the mix. You have Tod Baron and some

539
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Speaker 3: of these other young players that are playing. I think,

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Speaker 3: to me, I'm just impressed with the amount of young

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Speaker 3: players that are on this defense that are able to

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Speaker 3: play well because to me, it takes a coach to

543
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Speaker 3: be able to take some of the complex and make

544
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Speaker 3: it simple enough for the young guys to be able

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Speaker 3: to flourish.

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Speaker 2: No doubt this is to me. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: let's wrap it up here on BANS real quick. That

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Speaker 2: dot com. This division has become the class of the

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Speaker 2: NFL right now. When you look at it, it's impressive

553
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Speaker 2: and I was the Chargers actually put out a video

554
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Speaker 2: the other day kind of highlighting some of the calls

555
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Speaker 2: of that money was making in the last in the

556
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Speaker 2: last game that they had. But I'm going back and

557
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Speaker 2: looking through this and just their last two drafts. Let's

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Speaker 2: look at twenty four Joe alt Premier left tackle on

559
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Speaker 2: the show that when he came back, Lad mcconkey's a

560
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Speaker 2: legit number one type wide receiver. A boy being here

561
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Speaker 2: had a couple of sacks of the day. He's been

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Speaker 2: a solid player. Their two starting corners, Tar Heep still

563
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Speaker 2: and Cam Hart, both in the fifth round. Their sixth

564
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Speaker 2: round pick, Kamani Vidal has two hundred yard games in

565
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Speaker 2: the last month filling in. Then you go to this

566
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Speaker 2: year as Amarion Hampton was playing really well till he

567
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Speaker 2: got hurt. Trey Harris is getting a bigger role every week.

568
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Speaker 2: He had a touchdown last week. Jamari Calbell is playing

569
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Speaker 2: major snaps on the defensive line, and then Aronde gatz

570
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Speaker 2: And turned into one of the best young tight ends

571
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Speaker 2: in football. And RJ. Mickens, their sixth round pick at safety,

572
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Speaker 2: had a pick last week as well. Dad that has

573
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Speaker 2: a lot of contributions from year one and year two players.

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Speaker 2: And I also think that that is another reason why

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Speaker 2: I think it's a nice thing when coaches, head coaches

576
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Speaker 2: have some college experience as well, because that's a developmental

577
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Speaker 2: level of football. Buck and I think you're seeing not

578
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Speaker 2: only Jim Harbaugh the coach, the head coach, Hey, how

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Speaker 2: do you use your timeouts? How do you manage a

580
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Speaker 2: game with the teacher, the guy who's you know, approaching

581
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Speaker 2: like a high school coach, and how they're developing these players,

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Speaker 2: these young guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's really interesting when you do that because

584
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Speaker 3: He also has a handful of college coaches on that

585
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Speaker 3: staff and predicting on the defense side of the ball

586
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Speaker 3: that are used to developing those guys and helping them

587
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Speaker 3: continue to grow into their skills. Look, you would know

588
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Speaker 3: in the building how they're finding a way to develop

589
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Speaker 3: those guys, because there is something to the fact that

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Speaker 3: a lot of these late round picks are playing really,

591
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Speaker 3: really well and I would say out playing their draft status.

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Speaker 4: To me, that's not a coincidence.

593
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Speaker 3: When I look at the Charges have success doing that,

594
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Speaker 3: when I look at the Rams having success with their

595
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Speaker 3: late round picks, to me, there is something that they're

596
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Speaker 3: doing on the day to day to allow those guys

597
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Speaker 3: to outperform what the expectations were when they walked into

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Speaker 3: the building.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's it's understanding what the expectation is, right,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 5: And that's alignment right from what you're going to ask

602
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Speaker 5: this guy to do to you know, where our evaluation

603
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Speaker 5: of this guy is right from front office to coaching

604
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Speaker 5: staff into scheme and and then yeah, you guys still

605
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Speaker 5: got to be great teachers in developers at this even

606
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Speaker 5: at this level, right with some of those young players.

607
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Speaker 5: So I think that's a great point you make about it,

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Speaker 5: You know, head coaches with a little bit of college

609
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Speaker 5: experience certainly pretty fresh still for Jim Harbaugh. I mean

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Speaker 5: you look at the way that that that Michigan team

611
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Speaker 5: was built that won the championship. That was not like

612
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Speaker 5: a heavy transfer portal team, right, those were grown up players,

613
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Speaker 5: you know, shoot, starting with the quarterback. So I think

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Speaker 5: that's a that's actually a really intriguing point. I wonder,

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Speaker 5: I wonder if we get some of that kind of

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Speaker 5: coming back now. I don't know, I don't are there

617
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Speaker 5: even enough college coaches to even higher in the league now.

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Speaker 2: I mean open, they're always opening. Man, Holy moly, we

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Speaker 2: talked about that. You missed that discussion, right, We'll have

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Speaker 2: more of that as we go forward. But last thing

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Speaker 2: I would say there Buck, you mentioned the rams. If

622
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Speaker 2: you're going to find the connective tissue between all these

623
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Speaker 2: young players for both those organizations, a lot of smart dudes, man,

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Speaker 2: smart kids. So you know who takes really coach, really

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Speaker 2: good coaching. Guys who are smart and can digest everything

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Speaker 2: you're giving them. And that's I mean I talk with

627
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Speaker 2: these guys every week. You know, you running these guys.

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Speaker 2: These guys are really really smart. So I think that's

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Speaker 2: been kind of a secret weapon for some of these

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Speaker 2: young players to be out there and play so well.

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Speaker 3: You know what's funny, DJ like, for the longest time,

632
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Speaker 3: when I was with the Carolina Fancy, we always talked

633
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Speaker 3: about the guys who had the smartest teams and the

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Speaker 3: smartest teams, And there's no direct relation to the college

635
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Speaker 3: graduates that you have, but that was a big deal

636
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Speaker 3: that you wanted like high IQ guys, guys who were

637
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Speaker 3: mature in experience and intelligent, because it allows you to

638
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Speaker 3: have more volume, and if you have more volume, it

639
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Speaker 3: allows you to be able to do more things. So

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Speaker 3: it's a natural relationship between IQ and volume and performance

641
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Speaker 3: when it comes to some of these teams and you're

642
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Speaker 3: seeing you talked about smart guys.

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Speaker 4: Is a way to assess it that allows you to

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Speaker 4: kind of continue to acquire those kind of players.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's been Uh, it's a it's a great point,

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Speaker 2: very fascinating. By the way, we have got a awesome

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Speaker 2: guest coming up on Thursday's show, Andrew Luck. Cannot wait

648
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Speaker 2: to visit with him. He's going to join us on Thursday. Uh,

649
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Speaker 2: doing a nice job up there at Stanford as they're

650
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Speaker 2: trying to uh make that that whole entire program over Rett, can.

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Speaker 1: I as Yeah, I ask you something on that front.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the names that.

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Speaker 5: As was mentioned forever with top college jobs and NFL

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Speaker 5: jobs is now kind of like seemingly back on the

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Speaker 5: market in the college landscape.

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Speaker 1: Pat Fitzgerald, Oh, yeah.

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Speaker 2: With Stanford makes a lot We've been Yeah, we've talked

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Speaker 2: about that. That makes a lot of sense for Stanford.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you might make sense for more than just Stanford.

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Speaker 5: DE mean, there's not enough like brand name coaches to

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Speaker 5: fill these brand name vacancies right now. So I'd be

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Speaker 5: really curious to see what kind of interest that gets.

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Speaker 5: But certainly Stanford would make a lot of sense there.

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Speaker 2: The thing is, when we discussed it briefly the other day,

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Speaker 2: is when you have this many marquee openings, you know

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Speaker 2: what that means, We're gonna get a lot of other

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Speaker 2: just below market openings because those teams don't go shopping

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Speaker 2: at the discount store. They're going to create a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a domino effect all the way

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Speaker 2: throughout this whole coaching carousel season. We're getting ready to

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Speaker 2: have all right, well, this is a fun one. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: everybody hanging with us here. We will see you next

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Speaker 2: time again. Andrew Luck will be with us on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: so wait for that. One should be a great conversation.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time right here. Fun movie sticks