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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ. Yes, what a day, what a night

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Speaker 1: Eric and Lyle Mendez, you know their story by now,

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Speaker 1: He also had cell phones. You're not supposed to have

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Speaker 1: Who would do that? They argue, knowing that you need

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Speaker 1: this time for Lyle Menendez, the brother of Eric. Eric

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