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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for

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Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, four

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Speaker 1: teen year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer a Enius Williams. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I'm a Nius Williams.

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Speaker 1: It's no secret how important it is to be mindful

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Speaker 1: of the social climate that permeates our world today. In

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Speaker 1: light of that, social impact groups are organizations that prioritize

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Speaker 1: doing work that consciously, systematically and sustainably serves to solve

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Speaker 1: local and global community needs. Today, we sit down with

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Speaker 1: an NFL legend to discuss his involvement with two social

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Speaker 1: impact groups, the Midwest Innocence Project and I See Stars.

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Speaker 1: It's connection to current social justice issues, as well as

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Speaker 1: his own personal commitment to inspire and change in the community.

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Speaker 1: With us today is my fellow Hall of Famer Will Shields,

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Speaker 1: who I always feel protected when I'm around him. Will

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Speaker 1: played fourteen years at guard with the reigning Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: champions Kansas City Chiefs. He's a twelve time that's right,

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Speaker 1: I'll say it again, twelve time Pro bowler, Hall of

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Speaker 1: receive the Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year Award

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Speaker 1: without further ado, will welcome, Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to giving back to the community, Will

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Speaker 1: You've done it in many ways, especially when it comes

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Speaker 1: to social justice and before social justice became the popular

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Speaker 1: being on everyone's tongue. Yeah, we started it a long

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Speaker 1: time ago, you know, any of us. The thing that's

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Speaker 1: really there's really interesting about this is that I was

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Speaker 1: fortunate enough to be at a team that had guys

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Speaker 1: be a part of that group. And I noticed one

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Speaker 1: thing about these guys is that they were They were veterans,

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Speaker 1: they were guys that basically had longevity. And I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: And so I call our foundation is more or less

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Speaker 1: the Umbrella Foundation because you know, when it's raining out,

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Speaker 1: we want to be able to be able to put

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Speaker 1: an umbrella over everybody's a little organization and help out

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Speaker 1: and help build it. And so you know, we started,

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Speaker 1: we had to we had to pick our our main

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Speaker 1: Our main goal was battered and abused women and children

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Speaker 1: when that wasn't a topic about twenty seven years ago.

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Speaker 1: And then we sort of branched out and we've been

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Speaker 1: sort of helping with about fifty to sixty organizations here

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Speaker 1: are we are fortunate, and we love to be able

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Speaker 1: to be a part, to be able to be that

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Speaker 1: bridge to help keep the community going forward. Touch on

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Speaker 1: your relationship with the m i P, the Midwest Innocent Project,

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Speaker 1: and before you you comment, I was really moved in

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Speaker 1: terms of innocent and people being incarcerat to being innocent

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Speaker 1: meeting down in uh Mobile No I'm sorry, Montgomery, Alabama

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Speaker 1: down there with author and the book the attorney to

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Speaker 1: book is just mercy. And as you know, Jamie Foxx

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Speaker 1: serving life sentences that were innocent. And to see that

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Speaker 1: before a movie and long before a book. What got

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Speaker 1: you interested in that particular project? Will Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I had a friend of ours that basically anytime I

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Speaker 1: he's always stepped up and been a part of it,

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Speaker 1: there's things in the system that needs to be corrected

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Speaker 1: um and just needs to be fixed. It needs to

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Speaker 1: It's bigger than what you would think it would be.

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Speaker 1: But then just sitting there listening to all the little

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Speaker 1: Which cases don't you take? How many man hours or

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Speaker 1: all justice system groups, but it's usually the lower class,

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Speaker 1: can't afford the the lawyers and everything else. The fear

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Speaker 1: It's been definitely beyond eye opening of of different things

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Speaker 1: author of the book Just Mercy and Jamie Fox, lead

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Speaker 1: us how important it is will when guys like you

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Speaker 1: came in as a young player. Yes, you saw the

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Speaker 1: But you seem like you just gave us a blueprint.

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Speaker 1: We used to do events across the board and we

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Speaker 1: create that bridge, you know. Going back to just mercy

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Speaker 1: We were team mates in college. It's so important another,

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Speaker 1: I guess blueprint to get involved is to have conversation

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Speaker 1: I was talking to George. George is from a town,

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Speaker 1: thing that that's to you as a person, and also

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Speaker 1: I think we can do this, this and this, and

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Speaker 1: to do this over here right now. And you you

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Speaker 1: and to be a part of. All. Right, well, what's

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Speaker 1: let's go attack it, Let's go fix Let's go see

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Speaker 1: what we can do to make things happen. Well, this

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Speaker 1: has been amazing, man. I can talk to you and

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Speaker 1: ask you questions all day. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us, and thanks for listening in. And the best

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