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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks,

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Speaker 1: and we continue now with part two of our conversation

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Speaker 1: with doctor Trina Clay. You right after these brief messages

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Speaker 1: from our general sponsors, bringing it back to the top

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Speaker 1: of our conversation. What's amazing is is you have peer support,

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Speaker 1: which you guys give some basic tenants and fundamentals of

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Speaker 1: training to that are now working with and giving their

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Speaker 1: time to support people who are dealing with the same

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Speaker 1: things the very peers have dealt with. And nowhere in

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Speaker 1: that conversation is all this healing happening with a professionally

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Speaker 1: trained therapist in the room.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The effectiveness of it has got to be the next question.

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Speaker 2: Great question, and I will add one more just layer

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Speaker 2: to that, because this is another area that we'll be

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Speaker 2: looking at that same metri game, but it's looking at

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Speaker 2: also wellness ambassadors. So we have clinical support. So those

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Speaker 2: are our mental health professionals their license, this is what

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Speaker 2: they do. It's a one to one match. We can

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Speaker 2: have peer support that's people with a shared experience could

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Speaker 2: be similar, doesn't have the exact same experience. It can

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Speaker 2: be one to one match, or it can be in

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Speaker 2: a group setting with a facilitator who has a lived experience.

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Speaker 2: And then we have wellness ambassadors, which can be like friends, families, allies,

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Speaker 2: like just people who are interested in showing up that

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Speaker 2: maybe don't feel like, oh I have this event or

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Speaker 2: experience that you know, really has touched my mental health

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Speaker 2: in that way, but I want to be able to

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Speaker 2: show up in these spaces. And so that's really around

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Speaker 2: mental health literacy. And our team is building a really

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Speaker 2: solid I think we have more than a thousand and

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Speaker 2: we just started it. I think in September more than

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Speaker 2: a thousand wellness ambassadors already, and it's a constant poor

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Speaker 2: and we're trying to create these as communities, not just

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Speaker 2: as like here's a bunch of mental health professionals and

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Speaker 2: here's peer supporters, but rather how do we create these

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Speaker 2: communities of support where they can actually interact with each other.

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Speaker 1: But that okay, a thousand wellness ambassadors, so that the

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Speaker 1: three levels are professionally trained therapists from back from the

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Speaker 1: very beginning giving an hour awesome. Then you got all

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Speaker 1: these peer support people, then you got wellness ambassadors. The

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Speaker 1: point is you have exponentially roam the amount of therapy

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Speaker 1: and assistance that can be given to people and needs

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Speaker 1: without adding one therapist to the mix, saying that yes, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's it right, it is, it is it.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to get into wellness ambassadors. But I

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Speaker 1: do the thing is, as you hear all this, that's great,

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Speaker 1: what's the effectiveness what's the effectiveness of peer support and

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Speaker 1: wellness ambassadors against the typical model of professionally trained therapists.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I will say when I mentioned before that

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Speaker 2: we went from you know, metrics of kind of an

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Speaker 2: input output, Right, We've got this many therapists, we have

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Speaker 2: this many hours donated in that translate in this amount

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Speaker 2: of money and the cost savings to the system. What

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Speaker 2: I would say on the other side is that, and

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Speaker 2: this has been our work that we've done with Stand

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Speaker 2: that we had already started looking at like what metrics matter,

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Speaker 2: and then when we became a catalyst with Stand Together,

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Speaker 2: we were able to have access to a lot more

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Speaker 2: of the data scientists where we were saying, we want

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Speaker 2: to know what our customers say, like how did this

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Speaker 2: matter in their life? And so we do measure and

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Speaker 2: I have a fantastic data scientist now who just makes

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Speaker 2: this all look very easy and it's not. But we

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Speaker 2: measure now impacts. So we're looking at you know, and

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Speaker 2: these are very business world, you even know these, but

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Speaker 2: the net promoter score, so we're looking at customer satisfaction.

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Speaker 2: How satisfied are they that it was us? And I

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Speaker 2: always think that's important, not just are you satisfied, but

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Speaker 2: is it given hour, would you recommend us to a

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Speaker 2: friend and family because of your experience? And then we

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Speaker 2: look at a net transformation score how much do you

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Speaker 2: feel transformed? And that one tends to go over time,

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Speaker 2: so a point in time score is our baseline, but

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Speaker 2: we want to keep going back and iterating with them.

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Speaker 1: What is that eight weeks, six weeks.

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Speaker 1: For us, after any specific thing happened.

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Speaker 2: So like a peer support training, we're doing those metrics

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Speaker 2: clinical support. We train our clinicians as well. We offer

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Speaker 1: Well, with all the science, when I ask you, what's

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Speaker 2: And then we also have a net empowerment score, So

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Speaker 2: We're at a seventy seven of a net empowerment score,

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Speaker 2: and that score is coming directly from that group.

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Speaker 1: Well which group group.

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Speaker 2: Of soldiers training it was a seventy seven, and so

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Speaker 2: afterwards feel more empowered to lean in, to identify a

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Speaker 2: with someone. You can change the entire landscape of what

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Speaker 2: we're talking about with mental health because you're up it's

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Speaker 2: all upstream, it's all protective.

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Speaker 1: And I would imagine, I mean, now I'm just going

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Speaker 1: are a therapist sitting on a couch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very much, very much. I mean, I think therapy

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Speaker 2: you you know, and I've had people, you know, if

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Speaker 2: have a good therapist? And I think, wow, that was

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Speaker 2: are you doing about that? Or what's what's your next step?

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Speaker 1: Or there's the training right there.

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Speaker 2: That's right, because as soon as you tell me, first

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Speaker 2: family history with therapy. You don't know how I feel

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Speaker 2: about therapist. I could be terrible afraid of them. I

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Speaker 2: that you just escalated our interaction. You just told me

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Speaker 1: What I said, But it's communicating.

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Speaker 2: Right absolutely, Like and you throughout that again if you

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't translate well. I always think like you're

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Speaker 2: always looking for the opportunity. What is opportunity? And you know,

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Speaker 2: We're really trying to say the connection is what will matter.

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Speaker 2: That's what matters. And it's not having the right answer.

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Speaker 2: It's not giving advice. It's not whether or not they

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Speaker 2: And I think that what I have found is that

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Speaker 2: Am I mentoring? Am I? And you would appreciate that

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Speaker 2: And sometimes I'll even ask if they're starting to say something,

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Speaker 2: And usually people are like really, Leila. Mostly they'll say

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Speaker 2: and then I'll know when to lean in to further

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really obvious. People want to be understood before

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Speaker 1: they want to be anything else. Absolutely, and I'm understood

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Speaker 1: first reader is why wouldn't this work.

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't this work? And why hasn't this work? I

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, And I think that part of this kind

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Speaker 2: shift this conversation. It's so heavy right now, it's so pathologized.

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Speaker 2: Right now, everything's mental health, but nothing's mental health, because

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Speaker 2: you know, we're all experienced everything health but nothing does

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Speaker 1: Yes, I get exactly what you're saying, and people are.

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Speaker 2: Getting fatigued about it, and you know, it's starting to

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Speaker 1: And so and there's some pop culture, pop culture psychobabble

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Speaker 2: Frankly, Yeah, I've got like a list of that.

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Speaker 1: Right, That's what I mean is they become whatever we

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Speaker 2: And so we've been working and again I've taken this

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Speaker 1: And Canada, every football coach should be taught that for sure.

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Speaker 1: We definitely need peer support. Actually, the wellness ambassadors need

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Speaker 1: Right that way, that they have their own peer support, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: And they could facilitate groups so.

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Speaker 2: one page materials. And it's not again it's not like

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Speaker 2: we're googling like how to do good eight hours of sleep.

439
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 2: What we're trying to understand is what are they experiencing,

440
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: how much sleep are they getting, how can we increase

441
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: that by a small amount, And then bring those things

442
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 2: back through that paer supporter who's the trusted person and

443
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 2: bring it back into the group and really use that

444
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,479
Speaker 2: as a way to try to again bring more education

445
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 2: materials in there and spark a different conversation where they

446
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 2: can support each other. And I think with that clinical

447
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: support and then having psycho education materials reintroduce that has

448
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: been created for that group again goes back to you

449
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 2: heard me. We were just talking about those six days ago.

450
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 2: You came back in. We can pick up that conversation

451
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: and now they can talk not about oh, you solve

452
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: my problem, but rather how do I feel about this?

453
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 2: Did I do it? Have I tried it? What worked

454
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 2: for me? What worked for you? It sparks conversation, and

455
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: that's why I think this is such a low cost

456
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 2: over time and more enduring than the one hour you

457
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 2: get with a therapist once a week, once a month.

458
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 2: Still got twenty three hours of the day where other

459
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: things could be happening that are just as effective, if

460
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Speaker 2: not more. Im peer support has been proven to be

461
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: an effective way. Now there's literature that can tell you

462
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: one side or the other, but it is effective. And

463
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 2: I can tell you I have stood in those spaces

464
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: and watched it happen, and you can see it effective.

465
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. I'm sitting there thinking about you know,

466
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: we've we've talked about the military, we've talked about victims

467
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: and shootings, but and then you talked about sleep. So

468
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: I mean, there is no issue out there that this

469
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: can't encompass. And I'm thinking about I mean, it's terrible

470
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: to think about, but I can't. This is what my

471
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: brain's going to victims afread and you talk about stigma

472
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: and an unsafe thing to talk about molestation or childhood trauma,

473
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: all of it. And it feels like you create a

474
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: safe place by putting pure support people that have been

475
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: through that with people suffering from the same stuff. And

476
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: it only makes sense that people would be more comfortable

477
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: and get more out. That's it does.

478
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: And in Washington, d C. We have a program there

479
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: that's a Mayor's initiative to the Office of Victim Services

480
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 2: and Grants and we offer this. We have access to

481
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: clinicians and again was not a simple task to find

482
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: clinicians would give an hour, and it wasn't just just

483
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: to give an hour, but it was like trying to

484
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: find the right clinicians for people who've been both perpetrators

485
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: of crime and victims of crime because as you said

486
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: before something earlier, many people who've been incarcerated have also

487
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 2: been victims of crime, so yeast majority.

488
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: So you've got enough shows and enough research on that.

489
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Speaker 1: But literally it's in the nineties of the people that

490
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: are in prison, we're victims of something before they ever

491
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: started their criminality, right.

492
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Speaker 2: So we offer that as a is in the district

493
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: of Columbia where you can get clinical care, and we've

494
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 2: started peer support and so again I think that hard.

495
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: Do you have beer support in prisons?

496
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: So funny, not funny, but interesting, I'll say interesting Instead

497
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: the Montgomery.

498
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Speaker 1: County, umber County.

499
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: Sorry, Maryland, we're just starting one right now in a

500
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: partnership there where we will be doing peer support for

501
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: individuals who are formally incarcerated who are job seeking. So

502
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: we're working with the work source and with the Corrections facility.

503
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: These will people currently this first year is a group

504
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: of people who are job seeking. And again I've made

505
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: a call out through another catalyst community to say, do

506
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,479
Speaker 2: you have people in Baltimore who are in Maryland who

507
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: would want to facilitate who are formally incarcerated, And I

508
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: had like twenty two people reach out.

509
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: To say I were formally incarcerated, no woul it's like

510
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: to look a job but now have a job and

511
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: have a job, who can now be a peer to

512
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: say I know exactly what you're going through, but.

513
00:26:55,320 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 2: There is light right because absolutely and people you know,

514
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: when you're been incarcerated from people that I've known, you

515
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: have a whole narrative of how your life's about to

516
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 2: be when you're going to get out, and the reality

517
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: that does not match. And what a benefit of saying

518
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 2: we're going to do a job search and we're going

519
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: to be talking and again we're not talking about like

520
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 2: mental health. I mean, it's so hard to say, but

521
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: you're bringing a group of people together who have a

522
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: similar background and a similar goal, and you're working through

523
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: that as a team. And so I think that I'm

524
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: incredibly excited. I'm super heartened that the county invested in this.

525
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: This is again something they've never done, and we talked

526
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: to the prison there about doing the same is and

527
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: we're going to start with the staff, as you always

528
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: have to. We're going to go with the staff first,

529
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: and we're going to provide this training and support to

530
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: the staff because you can't just go in and train

531
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: people like you know their business. So we're going to

532
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: go in and do listening sessions and we're going to

533
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: learn about what their unique stressors are. And then we're

534
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: going to do a training and peer groups.

535
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Speaker 1: So you're not having conversations, you're having listening discussions. That's

536
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: what you just about.

537
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 2: Oh it's fantastic.

538
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: I love that.

539
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: Learn because you know, you learn like the corporate narrative

540
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 2: of like what the stressors are, and when you talk

541
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: to people, you really learn like how it operates. Again,

542
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: you're not trying to solve for all the problems. You're

543
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 2: really trying to help equip people with how do you

544
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 2: reframe your experiences? But how can you also do it

545
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 2: knowing that the person next to you is got their

546
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: struggles too, And so the insights are incredible. And that's

547
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 2: why I go back to the nuances where this is

548
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: at and that's why I think systems programs don't work

549
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 2: as well. Now this is population based, so you can

550
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: scale and you have a certain amount of things that

551
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: can be generalized. Like you said, sleep, it's going to

552
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: go across the thing. But also when we were doing

553
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: some work with veterans after the withdrawal. They were working

554
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: twenty two to twenty three hours a day, no longer

555
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: in uniform. They were doing this because they were continuing

556
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: to run missions, because that's what they did. And we

557
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: walked alongside them. And in no way am I going

558
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: to bring you a one pager to talk about getting

559
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: eight hours of sleep, like that would be ridiculous. So

560
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: you have to try to really listen to what people

561
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: are needing. But as soon as we put the group

562
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: of people together, the first thing they did was said,

563
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: I can't show my wife the videos I'm getting. She's pregnant,

564
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: Like I can't bring all this into my life. And

565
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: someone else is like, here's my phone, never call me,

566
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: and you just start to watch the magic. There's like

567
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: an organic magic, and then you're curating a lot of

568
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: it as well.

569
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Speaker 1: There's a parallel here. I just can't get over, which

570
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: is my great aunt and uncle said and Shirley Farnsworth,

571
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: both of past. But they started in Memphis in the

572
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: fort they met at and then started the largest chapter

573
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: of alcoholics Anonymous in Memphis, and continue to run those

574
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: things until very close to their does, which they both

575
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: were in their eighties. And it seems to me the

576
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: power of well, certainly with AA there's a accountability and

577
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: all of that which is different. But just saying I

578
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: have a problem, I need help, it's the first step

579
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: to getting help. And that the secret saucepan on all

580
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: that is you're much more willing and safe to do

581
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: that in a room full of alcoholics than you are

582
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: anywhere else, even if you're recovering alcoholics, right or addict

583
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: or whatever. And so it only makes sense that I

584
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: would be so much more willing to discuss my depression,

585
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: my trauma, wade or whatever when I'm in a room

586
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: full of people who understand by exact depression, anxiety, trauma,

587
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: and then training the people in those peer groups to

588
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: understand what to look for and how to respond. I

589
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: don't know why this hasn't been done before. I mean, frankly,

590
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: why did it take us so long to figure it out? Well?

591
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: Why did it take you guys so long to figure out?

592
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: For somebody? I mean? And then the added benefit of

593
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: it's truly philanthropic because the very people that are the

594
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: peer groups are quote giving an hour, Yeah, anybody can.

595
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: Do it given an hour, and getting back like that's.

596
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: The thing they're getting back the hour too, are.

597
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: They they're getting back through that service, and and it's

598
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: not you know, it's not just the strain. So you know,

599
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: that's why I've said about like the therapist, we're not

600
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: just asking you for an hour. We are pouring into

601
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: whatever it is you want in need. You want training

602
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: on AMDR, got it will take care of that. You

603
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: need to get continued educations for the credits for something,

604
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: we got it. You want to be a contractor and

605
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: make some extra things on the side, got it. You

606
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: want peer support. We started peer support for our providers

607
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: because they were struggling. And so that's again you're in

608
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: relation and you can't do that for people you don't

609
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: even know invest talk to have any kind of relationship with.

610
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: And so our entire we have a year of the

611
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: provider this year, and our program manager for that created

612
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: an entire strategic plan based on their feedback. And you

613
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: can just cross from this is what therapist said they

614
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: wanted to do, this is what I'm providing want to need.

615
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: And there's then the spirit of how she's showing up.

616
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: It's not just like we offered seventeen trainings and now

617
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: they're good. It was she was like calling. She made

618
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: an advisory of therapists who can really help keep eyes

619
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: on like any of the things that we can't see

620
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: trend wise that's coming. I mean, it's just been incredible

621
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: because there's a whole spirit of showing up for people

622
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: that I think you can't again block in a structure

623
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: or in a system. You have to be in relation.

624
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: We touched on it earlier, but I'm I'm a sum

625
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: it up guy. The goal was eight million by what

626
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: was what?

627
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: Eight million? By twenty twenty five? You wanted to impact

628
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: eight million, and that means eight million people, individual people,

629
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: and that means actually have some sort of effect on.

630
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: Their life at twenty twenty five, and it's early to

631
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: mid twenty twenty four, Yeah.

632
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: We're already at three million, two point nine.

633
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: Million, three million people. Yes, since when start?

634
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: What's the start Databa's twenty one, so twenty twenty one,

635
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: so you have literally impacted. I feel confident about our

636
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: numbers because you have the science behind the data. Three million,

637
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: and part of it is no cost to anybody, well

638
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: not no cost to the people being there.

639
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: And the people who are absolutely that.

640
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: It's all about giving an hour.

641
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has been the investment from philanthropy.

642
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 1: From your fundraising efforts or whatever.

643
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: And of that, we also are looking at growing a

644
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: provider network of fifty thousand. Now that's a much slower

645
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: move because you're not, again like I said before, you're

646
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: not just trying to get fifty thousand.

647
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: When you say providers, trained therapists.

648
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: Mental health providers, yeah, is fifty thousand, and that is

649
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: ten percent of about the amount of licensed mental health.

650
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: Providers that So you're trying to get ten percent of

651
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: all the therapists say it's a given hour, yeah, to

652
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: get And again, where are you now? Well, we're nationally no, no,

653
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: where are you on that?

654
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: Sorry, we're sorry, we're just under five thousand and part.

655
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Speaker 1: Of so you need forty five thousand? Are you therapists

656
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Speaker 1: out there listening? Now's your chance, now's your chance to

657
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Speaker 1: step up.

658
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Speaker 2: What I think is interesting about that, though, is that

659
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: you know we're losing a generation of therapists through retirement,

660
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: and so we're again trying to affect that to say,

661
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: how can people retire and still stay engaged with given hour?

662
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: That's interesting, but there's also like to use an example,

663
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: malpractice insurance. They'll have to carry that that's tertally expensive

664
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Speaker 2: to be given an hour and be paying your malpractice

665
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: like they're incongruent. So we don't have solutions necessarily for that,

666
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 2: but I do see that as like policy level things.

667
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: If we're really trying to keep therapists engage, but maybe

668
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: they're going to go down to part time, but we

669
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: don't want them to leave the workforce completely, and so

670
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: how do you do that? And then again the influx

671
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: of early career therapists coming in just aren't enough, and

672
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: they're they're off been like psychiatrists as an example, I

673
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: mean that's a unicorn's very, very difficult to find psychiatrist.

674
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 2: So you really have to be intentional about getting individuals

675
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: into your network. And so this is where I think

676
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: part of ours is getting relationships with university programs and

677
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: so how could we be possibly the hour that they

678
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 2: give in therapy, they're actually going to give to supervision

679
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: of early career therapists. So then you make a match

680
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: there because it's hard to find a good supervisor, and

681
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: our clinicians may actually many of them have volunteered. We

682
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: did a survey and we had thousands say that they

683
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: would do that, and so that would allow those early

684
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: career folks to actually have exposure to, let's say, veterans.

685
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: My fear is that we're going to have an entire

686
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: generation of mental health professionals or professionals period who are

687
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: going to come into the workforce, who are going to

688
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: have no connections the last twenty years. And we are

689
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: already not meeting the needs of veterans. What are we

690
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: going to do in five ten years especially.

691
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: Well, not just veterans, but everybody.

692
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: Everybody for sure. But I think that you know, because

693
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: of the highlight of like coming out of a twenty

694
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: year war, which we've never done, what are the downstream effects?

695
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: And that that's also going to become an aging population,

696
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: which there's hardly any mental health resources around aging. There's

697
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: very little research, which again is an area that we're

698
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 2: looking at intersections. So how could we get more people

699
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: into Q and train them about what we learned from

700
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: about the military and veteran populations so they can provide

701
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: that and have those connections because military very specific. If

702
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: you don't know anything about them and you're the therapist,

703
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: you're probably not going to it's probably not going to

704
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 2: be a great match.

705
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: Do you have a sense of the number of peer

706
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: groups that exist, Yes, I do.

707
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: We just started the full peer program in September, and

708
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: I believe we've trained more than a thousand of the

709
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: peers done training, and these are across different populations. And

710
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: then we've had more than six hundred more reach out

711
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: for interest, and so again those are like people who

712
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: reach out to say that they want to be involved.

713
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: But for us, we did it, and I think it's

714
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: a very conservative multiplier effect. And we said for every

715
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: person that we train, they are going to affect at

716
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: least two So if we train you, you're probably going

717
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: to use it somewhere in your professional life and somewhere

718
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: in your personal life. Are you going to use it somewhere?

719
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: But I think that's conservative, But that I think it's

720
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: a good conservative multiplier effect to say, every one person

721
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: that we can help here can help themselves, help someone else,

722
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: and then help someone else kind of a little bit more

723
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: in their tertiary environment.

724
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: Trainer, since twenty twenty one, you have pivoted to this

725
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: creative out of the box thinking plan and you have

726
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: a thousand or so peer groups.

727
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: Oh, peer groups, I'm so sorry. Here trained persons right now,

728
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: we run seven We run seven peer groups, and we

729
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: have other peer groups stood up all over.

730
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: Sorry right, but I'm sorry. A thousand peer group people,

731
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: a thousand wellness ambassadors, five thousd providers, and you've helped

732
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: three million people with the goal of forty five thousand providers,

733
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: eight million people served. And I guess growing all the

734
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: peer group and wellness advisors you can that's significant members.

735
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: I mean it already is it is fantastic. And again

736
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: probably you know when you're in a day to day

737
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: is like you know, you're like trying to get all

738
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: the traction right and you're thinking of like all the

739
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: different places and spaces. And I also want to make

740
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: sure we have this kind of prototyped really well as

741
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: we look at you know, what does scale look like,

742
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: what does replication look like? But I will say of

743
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: the people that we've affected, I have no doubt. I

744
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: see the messages, I see what they write to us,

745
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: I see what they say to or I hear what

746
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: they say to us. I know that when people have

747
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: come to us, they've already tried other avenues to get help.

748
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: And when you have this warm, friendly Ashley on the phone,

749
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: who said, you know, I'm here to be on your journey.

750
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to get you where you want need. I'm

751
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: going to make sure that this is going to work

752
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 2: for you. Oh, by the way, we have a peer

753
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: group that starts in two days you can get into.

754
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: So our peer group is six days or less. You

755
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: can get into a peer group. So think about right now,

756
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: if you're waiting, oh months, thirty sixty ninety days to

757
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 2: get in therapy, what if you can connect in peer group,

758
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 2: which the research says can be as good, if not better,

759
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: for your mental health, and you can pop right into

760
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: that while you're if you're getting therapists with us, which

761
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: on average to get connected doesn't mean that's your first appointment,

762
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 2: but to find a match, she's averaging between like five

763
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: and eight days.

764
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. What beyond the really applicable story

765
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: of the folks for Los Angeles who endured the Las

766
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: Vegas thing, give me another example. You got other example

767
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: of something we might recognize that this kind of stuff

768
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: has out a profound effect.

769
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: On Yeah, yeah, And again, it's always just fascinating about

770
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: how these things come about. But we were introduced several

771
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: years ago and probably one or two years before I

772
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: came on and then I kind of picked up the

773
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: torch from that was a rare disease community.

774
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: So a rare disease community.

775
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: That's an interesting That was my face because I was like, what,

776
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: I don't know quite what this means. And there is

777
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: a community of individuals who across the country. I believe

778
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: it's about ten thousand now but used to be seven

779
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 2: thousand rare diseases. And so these are diseases that don't

780
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: have a lot of research behind them, a lot of

781
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: drug therapies behind.

782
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: Them, and that must be lonely.

783
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: What a lonely exactly? You are one of a very

784
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: small and the.

785
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: Doctors don't even know what it did the hell it is?

786
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 2: Yep, pharmaceutical, isn't you know necessarily like right up front

787
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 2: on it, because again there's you know, there's a whole

788
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: exchange there of where you put your money. And it

789
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 2: has been one of the most profound experiences of working

790
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: with rare disease communities and getting in deep. And so

791
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: we came through a horizon which is now Mgen and Alexion,

792
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: which are both pharmaceutical companies who work in this disease space,

793
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: and they were very interested in our approach of like

794
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 2: going to people because this community has been under resourced.

795
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: It's hard to find good mental health and hard to

796
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: find therapists who know much about the journey. And I

797
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: will tell you honestly when I say it's been one

798
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: of the most interesting because we were able to work

799
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: with individuals. So we were trying to look at a

800
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: caregiver community. What's it like to be a caregiver or

801
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: a care partner in a community has rare disease. So

802
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,959
Speaker 2: let's say your child has a rare disease and you're

803
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: the parent, but a rare a care partner might be

804
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: somebody like you've married into someone and they have a

805
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: rare disease. So it was really again, language matters to

806
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: the community. So we were really trying to understand that.

807
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: And so we started working with the community and learned

808
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 2: like just really like deep listening and learning and showing

809
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: up in spaces and trying to understand and started curating

810
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: what that group was doing naturally, but also like how

811
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: can we push in a little bit more. And then

812
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: we worked with a company who's been incredible called trend

813
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: Community and they do AI for medical so they have

814
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 2: a medical AI and they do social listening. So we

815
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: worked on a contract with a foundation who was just

816
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: glorious enough to like really see that this could be something,

817
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: and so she was able to go into a community

818
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: that has a high caregiver burden for rare disease and

819
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: pull eleven years worth of history of like sorting out

820
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: mental health, mental health phrases and words, and we were

821
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 2: able to create a journey map that really shows the

822
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: mental health and wellness journey of a rare caregiver, So

823
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: a parent as they go through the first five years

824
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: of not knowing what's wrong with their child. So all

825
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: the testing and then it made these natural touch points

826
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: and the next touch point was when the child goes

827
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: to school, and the next touch point will be like

828
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: a puberty kind of era, and the next touch point

829
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: will could be going into independence. And what it allowed

830
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: us to do is then go back to the community

831
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: with his representation, this visual representation of this is what

832
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 2: we think we've learned. In addition to all the listening

833
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: we've done, can you talk about what you would have

834
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: wanted and needed at these different points on your journey?

835
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 2: And they've been able to really talk about what would

836
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: have been like to have a doctor like really understand

837
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: and be able to give me another resource. What we

838
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 2: created a thing for dad's rare dads. It was like,

839
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: what do you give a rare dad when so much

840
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 2: of the focuses on, let's say, in a traditional family,

841
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: the child and the mother, but the dad is having

842
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: to show up in these places and spaces differently, and

843
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: what does that look like when he's trying to take

844
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: care of the family and navigate the emotions. And so

845
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 2: we interviewed a bunch of dads and we created a

846
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: like a field guide for rare dads and it was

847
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 2: very much in a language and in a phrase of

848
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: how men have told us they think about this and

849
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: their responsibility and it's their give back to men who

850
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: haven't yet found out they're in this community. So you

851
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: just have this generative thing. And all we did was

852
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: go in. We got the blessings from this great community

853
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: of biotech who extended their social capital with these individuals

854
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: that they built these trusting relationships and brought us in

855
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: and allowed us to do this and now we are

856
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: just walking alongside. So we're doing a podcast for one

857
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: community that wanted to do like ten podcasts and didn't

858
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: have their tiny foundation. Now we're doing it. We're producing

859
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: the podcast, we're doing the interviews, we're taking so now

860
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 2: they can use that to reach in their community. They

861
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: both became their to parents, they became peer supporters, and

862
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: now they're going to facilitate groups. We've brought their adult

863
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: daughter into it and now she's going to reach into

864
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: like the emerging adults. And that's just one community of

865
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: this rare disease. And when we go to another community,

866
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: it's going to.

867
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: Hark and then they'll have this peer group to lean.

868
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: Onovich more sustainable that you won't constantly have and to

869
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: be looking at like, where are we going to get

870
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: funding to do how are we going to do this?

871
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: Because then they can train people to become or we

872
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: can train them to become peer supporters, which then means

873
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: you can run another group and they're not always the one.

874
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: I think that is so interesting And as I listen

875
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: to you, I think, you know, traditionally, one of the

876
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: primal male instincts of a father is protection, is to

877
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: protect your wife and protect your child. And when something

878
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: like that happens, I've got to believe that one of

879
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: the things the men felt powerless and probably inadequacy, and

880
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: that may be one of the more difficult things for

881
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: a man to face, is inadequacy. And who could understand

882
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: that really unless you've been through it. I mean, I'm

883
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: just sitting here listening to it. Just I mean, I'm

884
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: going off on a tangent of supposition and really ignorance.

885
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: But that is exactly what I would think.

886
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: I don't think it is, because I think you're you're

887
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: keen in on where the tension is right, and the

888
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 2: tension and that's the space where again, if you can

889
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: help people connect on that. Because the gentlemen that we took,

890
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: the dad's we talked to, they didn't feel that they

891
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: could take They have great relationships with their wives and family,

892
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: but they couldn't take that what you just talked about

893
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 2: to them because they already felt they were protecting.

894
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: No, how do you say that to your wife or child.

895
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be the strong, right and.

896
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: Are you going to go to work? And is that

897
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: going to be your place in space? So you're going

898
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: to have this other group of men, but someone has

899
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: to be brave, someone has to be able to step

900
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: in that space. And unfortunately, in this particular situation, the

901
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: gentleman we talked to. I mean, he's been doing this

902
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: for twenty some years. He's lost two children already.

903
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: Oh gosh.

904
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a daughter who's still struggling with this

905
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: disease and a wife who also has has effects of

906
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: this disease. And the again, the way in which he

907
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: showed up and you could have a conversation and he

908
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: would just really talk through because he wasn't doing necessarily

909
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: only for himself. Although I could feel it, like you

910
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: can feel it when you're talking to him, like when

911
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 2: you can kind of reflect back to him, like my god,

912
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: that is amazing that you that that nugget is going

913
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: to help this man who doesn't even know yet he

914
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: needs this kind of help.

915
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: And so I got to give him some kind of

916
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 1: purpose in the middle of the misery.

917
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: And you know, and again, this is a very purplese.

918
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: He's very educated, man's had an incredible career. But the

919
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: giving back is also the feel you can see that.

920
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: And that's part of the therapy for him.

921
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: The therapy absolutely is like, oh my gosh, I went

922
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: through this really challenging thing, and now I can help

923
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 2: other people who can. I can help them see around

924
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: corners that even if it could just soften the edges

925
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: of this experience will be you know, just just changing.

926
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: That's phenomenal. And I bet he has no problem giving

927
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: an hour.

928
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 2: Oh he doesn't. I mean they're the ones. He's the

929
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 2: one who literally said, I love this. I can see it.

930
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 2: What we're all talking about doesn't fully relate to me

931
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: because a lot of it was a lot of the

932
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: moms who were talking again, they were talking very much

933
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: about like the logistics and stuff that he goes this like,

934
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: I can't say what I need to say in this group,

935
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: but I can help you saying the stass. I can

936
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: help you make this for men and for dads.

937
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: Usually when I wrap, okay, I say something to the

938
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: terms of now you've got all these thousand peer people

939
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: and thousand wellness and five thousand therapists, and you've already

940
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: helped three million towards your goal eight min. Do you

941
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: ever take a second. But I get the sense that

942
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: that's not an appropriate question for you, because I don't

943
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: think you're taking stock where you are. I have the

944
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: sense that you're or on a frontal assault against this

945
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: thing that's you're charging that you don't you haven't even

946
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: reached the quarter mile in the marathon. Yet I mean,

947
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: I get the sense that you're not even worried about

948
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: what you've done. You're more you seem to have a

949
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: lot of energy about where you're going.

950
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, And I would say we're a small team.

951
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: We're a small organization. I have twelve staff members who

952
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: do all of this. But what I will say is

953
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 2: that we're I think the formula is part of that spirit,

954
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 2: but it's also part of when you involve a community

955
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: in solving for challenges.

956
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: You mean an army in normal funks, they will do it.

957
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: There's a literal army of normal people.

958
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: They will do it. And that I really believe this

959
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: is the only way we're going to address any of

960
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: that this is the only pivot we have. I'm not

961
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: just saying given hour is the only pivot. I'm saying

962
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: this approach is the only pivot. Because there's so many

963
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 2: organizations doing incredible stuff we have to be able to

964
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: and there's.

965
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: So much need against one and only three hundred and

966
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: fifty therapists. There's only so much the current community of

967
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: therapist can do. This is the answer for how do

968
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: we bridge the gap of the deficit of.

969
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 2: Therapy, absolutely, and we all have a role to play,

970
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: and I think that is to me, one of the

971
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 2: most beautiful. It's not your problem, it's not them doing it.

972
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: It's like, this is something every one of us.

973
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: Can and should do if someone wants. It's a first

974
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 1: of all, if you are a therapist and you're listening

975
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: to this and you are not unwilling to give an

976
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: hour and get involved and do this, I'm really not

977
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: sure why you listen to the show frankly, So listen

978
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: up if you're a therapist, or if you're someone who

979
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: has struggled and been through it and wants to be

980
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: a wellness ambassador or start a peer group, or or

981
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: someone who wants to just give an hour and recognizes

982
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: now after listening, you don't have to be classically and

983
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: professionally trained and have a doctorate in psy psychoanalysis, psychotherapy, psychology,

984
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: or even just agree in social work. But you have empathy,

985
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: you see a need, and you're willing to give an hour.

986
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: This is an absolute place that anybody listening can have

987
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: a positive effect because we've all experienced some form of trauma, oppression,

988
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: or anxiety, so there is somebody out there in need

989
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: that you can relate to, or if you're somebody in

990
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: need and you need a peer group, or you need

991
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: a wellness ambassador. This literally applies to everybody listening to us.

992
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: How do they found you?

993
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: So easiest one is given hour dot work and honestly, our.

994
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: Landing page, you're going to give an give an hour,

995
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: given hour dot org.

996
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: And on landing page, I love have a little contact

997
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: me and I mean we have three resources on there,

998
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: of course, but that's the that's the quickest, easiest way,

999
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: and you're going to give it a real life person.

1000
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: A real person. We'll talk to you. So whether your

1001
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: in need, you're in the middle of it, you want

1002
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: to give, you want to you're oh gosh, if you're

1003
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: a therapist and listening this, would you please reach out

1004
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: to them? There they need fifty thousand, they got five

1005
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: and there's only twelve of them, so they can't call you.

1006
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: They don't have enough people to call you.

1007
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: You call them, you will be well taken care of.

1008
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: You'd be well taken care of. TRAINA what a phenomenal

1009
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: organization are You've got to be encouraged every day by

1010
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: the work you're doing. I mean, aren't you proud I'm.

1011
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 2: So proud of the way in which people show up.

1012
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: I think that is the most it's the most humbling

1013
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: piece of this is to see how hungry people are

1014
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: for this, how much they're willing to do, and how

1015
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: much they need it. And I think that I am

1016
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: inspired constantly about it. I mean I just over the

1017
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: weekend I had to like hold myself back from calling

1018
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: people after just experiencing peer support training, and I mean

1019
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: for days is just taken. You know, I feel inspired

1020
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 2: just by the people who show up.

1021
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: It's more than a job for you.

1022
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, yeah, this is it is. It's all

1023
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 2: consuming in the best ways possible.

1024
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: Do you not think in some small way that the

1025
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: excitement for this, the understanding of the need, and the

1026
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: empathy for all of it comes in some way from

1027
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: that seventeen year old kid that's side of strong believe home.

1028
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, absolutely absolutely. And now I think we're all

1029
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: in positions to make to clear the way for other people.

1030
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 2: And I think I can't think of a better benefit

1031
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: you can do to do for and with someone else.

1032
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: But when you get to do it in relation with them,

1033
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 2: there's nothing stronger and more powerful.

1034
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: Trina Claire, you doctor trying to claim you given hour

1035
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: dot org y'all reach out to her give an hour

1036
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: help people. If you need help, reach out to give

1037
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: an hour and they will help you. Trina, thanks for

1038
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: coming to Memphisiarty's story. It is awesome and it is

1039
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: applicable to every single human being on the faces planet.

1040
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: And I cannot think of a more appropriate army of

1041
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: normal folks call than give an hour. It's just an hour.

1042
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 2: I love it. Thank you so much. Thanks for being

1043
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 2: excited about this.

1044
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: And you'll get You'll get far more out of it

1045
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: than you put into it, which is the key to

1046
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: all of these things in it. Yeah. Absolutely, thanks for

1047
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: being here. Thank you, and thank you for joining us

1048
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: this week. If doctor Trina or other guests I've inspired

1049
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: you in general, or better yet, inspired you to take

1050
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: action by giving an hour with them, joining a pure

1051
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 1: support group, becoming a wellness ambassador, donating to give an hour,

1052
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: or something else entirely, please let me know. I'd love

1053
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,479
Speaker 1: to hear about it. You can write me anytime at

1054
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: Bill at Normalfolks dot us, and I promise you I

1055
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: will respond. Guys, if you enjoyed this episode, help us

1056
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: grow it by sharing it with friends and on social

1057
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: Subscribe to the podcast, rate and review it. Join the

1058
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: army at normalfolks dot us consider becoming a premium member.

1059
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Speaker 1: There all of these things that will help us grow

1060
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: an army of normal folks. Thanks to our producer, Ironlight Labs,

1061
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm Bill Courtney. I'll see you next week.