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Speaker 1: You're right. Yeah, and and and for if I responded

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Speaker 1: to a TV series that in the description of it

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Speaker 1: it said, we want a Michael JI White type.

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Speaker 2: Well here I am. Here I am.

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Speaker 1: When I responded to it, and remember other actors were like,

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Speaker 1: what are we doing here? They described you in a description,

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Speaker 1: but then they opted for somebody who was a lot less. Uh,

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Speaker 1: someone's a little bit more dosa. When it came down

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Speaker 1: to sure, yeah, or or.

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Speaker 2: We want a Michael J. White light like you know,

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Speaker 2: but not so heavy. We want to take it. We're

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Speaker 2: want to take a medium. We don't want it to fall,

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Speaker 2: we don't.

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Speaker 1: Want the full It's just it's a learning thing. But

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Speaker 1: I can talk about it because I've navigated around.

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Speaker 2: It, and you've done it successfully.

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Speaker 1: So my fan base, which is sixty percent overseas.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, we got to take a quick break. Pay

449
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Speaker 2: the bills. I encourage you to listen to the commercials

450
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Speaker 2: if you choose right, because you can find out what's

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Speaker 2: happening with us here at the Black Effect, or you

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Speaker 2: can press fifteen fifteen fifteen whatever you feel back in

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Speaker 2: a moment.

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Speaker 3: Every champion and carry champion is to be a champion,

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Speaker 3: a champion.

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Speaker 4: And carry champion and carry chat. Be a champion and

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Speaker 4: carry Chappy and the Cary chaff entament and naked word

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Speaker 4: carry champion.

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Speaker 3: The Cary champion is to be a champion, a champion

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Speaker 3: and Carrie champion, Nigger a champion, the Cary Champion.

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Speaker 4: They carried Chap naked Word.

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Speaker 2: Michael Jay White steal with us on today's edition of

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Speaker 2: Naked and he's really funny. It's a dry sense of humor.

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Speaker 2: But you guys, I hope you're listening and laughing with

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Speaker 2: me because I'm cackling. Hope you enjoy. I'm very curious too,

466
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Speaker 2: and thank you for saying that how you've been able

467
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Speaker 2: to build your fan base and sixty percent is overseas

468
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: and that's how you make your living. I'm going down

469
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Speaker 2: or not necessarily make your living, but that's how you've

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Speaker 2: been able to overcome what what what Hollywood have said

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Speaker 2: you couldn't do. I'm thinking of some of the cult classics,

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Speaker 2: and most recently, in two thousand and eight, Uh White

473
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Speaker 2: premiered his first black exploitation film. Do you like it

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Speaker 2: being referred to as that black dynamite at Sundance?

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Speaker 1: Do you like that?

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Speaker 2: Do you like that terminology?

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Speaker 1: Because I understand the ignorance of using that term.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about that terminology?

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Speaker 1: It's unfortunate because movies like Shaft and and and Uh,

480
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: just amazing movies that existed before the term even existed.

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Speaker 2: I agree it bridled with.

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Speaker 1: This this exploitation term. It's just like it just kind

483
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Speaker 1: of it just paints a negative picture on movies that

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Speaker 1: were I consider black renaissance movies. I mean you talk

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Speaker 1: about like even the movies that Sidney Poitier Uh produced

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Speaker 1: and directed. Yeah, people might call blaxploitation. There's it's just

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Speaker 1: nothing of the sort. So but I understand how people's

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Speaker 1: limitation of talking about seventies movie I kind of carefully

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Speaker 1: say that blaxploitation era.

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Speaker 2: You say that, is that how you refer to it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a black exploitation ara. But sometimes I have

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Speaker 1: for you, is it just just to get the you know,

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Speaker 1: with one word to get something across, because in other

494
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Speaker 1: people's minds they may not think of the exploitive quot

495
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Speaker 1: of that. But I kind of get what they're talking about.

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Speaker 1: But no, I have a love hate relationship with that word.

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Speaker 2: How did you feel about black Dynamite?

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Speaker 1: I kind of really liked it that way?

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Speaker 2: I wrote, Yeah, did you love like? Did you like

500
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Speaker 2: its reception? How did you feel about how it was perceived?

501
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: How did you feel about how you were able to

502
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Speaker 2: portray yourself and what you what you wanted people to

503
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Speaker 2: understand about the culture?

504
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Speaker 1: I you know, I created a layered piece, and you know,

505
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Speaker 1: uplifted a great deal of people and it made everyone laugh.

506
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Speaker 1: But but you know, on on a lot of levels,

507
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Speaker 1: you started going, wait, wait, wait, wait a second, did

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Speaker 1: you did you create a character that ended up beating

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Speaker 1: up the president and slapping the first lady? And and

510
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: then we all laughed about it? You know, so like

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Speaker 1: you well, yes, I did you know? I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I believe it's it's it's parody, it's comedy. I played

513
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Speaker 1: a role that was badass but goofy, and it's just

514
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Speaker 1: something that's you know, it's nothing quite like it. And

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Speaker 1: I celebrated a time that I loved where you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like a bendulum swinging like that, kept swinging.

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Speaker 2: But it's your art. It's your art, Michael, it's your art,

518
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: it's your mind, it's your creation. It's what you've been

519
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: sent here to give us. And it's okay to share

520
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: whatever your heart says, to share, whatever your spirit says

521
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: to share. I love that. I'm a fan of artists

522
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Speaker 2: and I and I, oh, well, because we are our

523
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Speaker 2: own arts right where we are, our own artists in

524
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Speaker 2: our own way. I think that I do still see you,

525
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Speaker 2: and you've been able to live in other worlds in

526
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Speaker 2: films like Why did I get married? And Why did

527
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Speaker 2: I get married to? I did not like you. I

528
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: was mad at you. You did such a great job.

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Speaker 2: I didn't like your character. Yeah, because Marcus Williams had

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Speaker 2: an st D in the first Yeah, and he gave

531
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Speaker 2: it to his wife. No, who did he give it to?

532
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: How did she find out? How did she find out?

533
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Speaker 1: I thought you I thought you weren't you married?

534
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Speaker 2: Oh No, I thought you gave it.

535
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Speaker 4: To her because you were cheating.

536
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Speaker 2: I need to go back and watch the film. Wait, wait,

537
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Speaker 2: wait a second, were you cheating?

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Speaker 1: Uh, I guess we both were. You know what, But

539
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Speaker 1: when it comes I just called you Marcus. You know well,

540
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Speaker 1: when when it came down to it, who admitted who

541
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Speaker 1: got add You're right?

542
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Speaker 2: Blot twist Okay, so you know what? Okay you Okay.

543
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: So we're after like this is real life because I

544
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: just caught your markets. You're like, well, she did it,

545
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: she would she can do. This is a real conversation.

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Speaker 1: Thing. It is what you mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right, you know, right, right, Okay, then you did

548
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Speaker 2: it the Dark Night, my boss. I'm just going down

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Speaker 2: a list of films that I that the people are

550
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Speaker 2: familiar with. You guys, go back and watch right it

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Speaker 2: I get married? God does I mean it's been many

552
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Speaker 2: mad I'm just ready to be mad at you. I'm

553
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Speaker 2: ready to jump on the Black Girl's side.

554
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Speaker 1: Just like five minutes ago. People want to excuse to

555
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Speaker 1: do it you mad?

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Speaker 2: I was mad at your character. I'm still mad at

557
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Speaker 2: I'm still mad at Richard mister. I'm still mad at

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Speaker 2: mister from Color Purple. He ain't did nothing wrong. I'm

559
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: still mad at mister from the Color Purple. I'd be

560
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: still mad for no reason because it was acting Okay, wait,

561
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Speaker 2: I digressed it because this is funny. That's so funny.

562
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: Then you have as this is here you are. We're

563
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Speaker 2: promoting Outlaw Johnny Black. And I mentioned at the top

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Speaker 2: of this interview that a good friend of mine is

565
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: in it, and you described him as one of those

566
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Speaker 2: Why hasn't he should have? Could you filled the film

567
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Speaker 2: with people like that? So you produced it, you directed

568
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Speaker 2: in it, you wrote it, and you starred in it.

569
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Speaker 2: Are you tired?

570
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Speaker 1: No? No, I I couldn't. I couldn't cook, so I

571
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Speaker 1: didn't do the catering. But no, my thing is whatever

572
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Speaker 1: I do, I'm gonna put all my effort into it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm disapporting that you didn't do the catering. That's

574
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Speaker 2: so disappointing.

575
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Speaker 1: You'd be more disappointed if.

576
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Speaker 4: You did do it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, tell me about Outlaw Johnny Black, your your north star,

578
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Speaker 2: your inspiration if you will for this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean I I started with getting the

580
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Speaker 1: best cast I could, and I had. I casted amazing

581
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Speaker 1: exceptional human beings who happened to be at to be

582
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Speaker 1: honest with you, people like Tony Baker, people like Nika

583
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Speaker 1: Noni Rose here, Ash Glenn Turmot, Chris Brownie brown Ning,

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Speaker 1: Chris Browning. Yeah, so then it's everybody. Everybody was so

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Speaker 1: amazing in his in his cast and reconnecting with with

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Speaker 1: Byron men who got to go start with me in

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Speaker 1: black Donald mm hmm. Yeah. So if you got people

588
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: like that, you're you're in good You're in a good place.

589
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: And so you're your character, you're out to and you

590
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 2: can correct me if I'm wrong, avenge your father's death.

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00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: And you're also a preacher.

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00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: Well, I'm posing as a preacher. Yes, I'm posing as

593
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: a preacher to elude the authorities who are on that case.

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00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: And then you know, hilarity ensumes after that.

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Speaker 2: But the humor imposing as a preacher just in itself,

596
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: especially in a black church, is hilarious in so much

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00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 2: in so many ways, right because it's there's so much.

598
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: There's so much there that you can run with because

599
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: we can say what we want to say. But I

600
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: get I feel like I can make fun of preachers

601
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Speaker 2: and say, well, he might be a crook, or I

602
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: feel like in Pact, I feel like he's pretty much

603
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: a character. Do we believe him? Is he a shister?

604
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: All of the things do you find do you find

605
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 2: that sometimes when you are writing or creating these projects,

606
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: you draw from real life examples. Oh always, who's the preacher?

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00:36:59,320 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 2: Was it your preacher?

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00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: Is you notice pature Reverend Tharrington. It was my preacher,

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Speaker 1: my reverend growing up, and I used his name Russell

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Speaker 1: and temple E and me uh Ami church and in Bridgeport, Connecticut,

611
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: on Connecticut Avenue, two doors away from where I lived.

612
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: I used to he was training me to be a creature.

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00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: He had a he had a basement where he had

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Speaker 1: a pull pit and everything else, and he could rehearsed

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00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: his sermons and I would watch it. Okay, yeah, I

616
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Speaker 1: mean be there rehearsing with I mean it was it

617
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: was just like that. And so I I used a

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Speaker 1: lot of my everything that I wrote in there in

619
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: this significance. I used my mom's name, I used man everything. Yeah. Yeah,

620
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: even the guy who owned the town. She growing up

621
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: in Columbia's Lee'sville and Basebury, South Carolina. Uh but a

622
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: lot of the land owners are named chile H. So yeah,

623
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of little Easter eggs

624
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: and stuff that I have in there.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. It's good. It's something good to know

626
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: a good note when they watched the film. I I

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00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: must because there aren't that many people. And I don't

628
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: know you helped me with this that that many people

629
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Speaker 2: promoting because obviously there's a strike. But you, I believe

630
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Speaker 2: had mentioned on an interview you did recently that you

631
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: had special permission to promote this from SAG. Is that so,

632
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: how does that work? Talk to me about that and

633
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Speaker 2: the strike.

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Speaker 1: It's you have to qualify for an interim agreement. So

635
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Speaker 1: that means you're you're you're on you know, you're in

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Speaker 1: line with all the new rules, you know. And also,

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Speaker 1: I mean the fact is you qualified because we are

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Speaker 1: indeed a a independent sound okay, yeah, I use my

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Speaker 1: independent money money to start start this shark started.

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Speaker 3: Every champion and carry champion is to be a champion,

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Speaker 3: O a champion and carry chappion and carry chap beat

642
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Speaker 3: a champion and carry chappion and carry CHAPPI.

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Speaker 4: Is the sports and entertainment. Can naked work?

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Speaker 3: Erry Champion and carry Champion is to be a champion,

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Speaker 3: a champion and carry champion, nigger compayta champion and carry

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Speaker 3: champion and carry chapiraid entertainment can Nike you work how.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel about or can you tell me your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on what's going on with the striker. I've interviewed

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Speaker 2: a few a few actors and writers on the podcast

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Speaker 2: on my TV show who who were just like, it

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Speaker 2: is what it is, prior to it even happening, it

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Speaker 2: is what it is. How would you describe the circumstance

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Speaker 2: is for someone who is not an actor? Why are

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Speaker 2: we at an impasse? Obviously you want money, but what

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Speaker 2: are what are the what's the foundation behind this?

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Speaker 1: Well I was describing to people who are not actors,

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Speaker 1: is that I mean you want to be paid for

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Speaker 1: your your work. Been paid for our work for a

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Speaker 1: very long time and had residuals, which is only fair.

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Speaker 1: Now studios are getting getting paid from the streaming services.

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Speaker 1: They just pay the producers. But those people are not

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Speaker 1: sharing in the proceeds, you know, they all of the

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Speaker 1: work that it's done by all of these people who

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Speaker 1: live from paycheck to paycheck now can't even make a living.

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Speaker 1: Because whereas before it was tracked, we sold HBO or

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Speaker 1: came on television, you world received harder, you know, and

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Speaker 1: so it's it's terrible that you're you know, people are

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Speaker 1: benefiting off of your blood.

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Speaker 2: It's not tracked on streaming services. Now, like if I

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Speaker 2: watch Black Dying White ten times, it's not tracked. You

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Speaker 2: wouldn't know it.

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Speaker 1: You know it's it's tracked, but that information is only

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Speaker 1: given to the streaming service itself.

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Speaker 2: Which is why they don't have to pay you accordingly,

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Speaker 2: Is that how that works?

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Speaker 4: Ye?

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Speaker 2: Are you getting any residual from the streaming streaming service?

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Speaker 1: Pennies?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: But uh or nothing? So it's it's it's it's pretty sad.

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Speaker 1: And then this AI stuff is insane?

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Speaker 2: Insane? Can you explain that briefly? Like the AI they're

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Speaker 2: actually using your name, image and likeness. Let's go college

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Speaker 2: sports here to create what they need to create without

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Speaker 2: your not you per se. But I'm just saying without

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Speaker 2: the actor's consent. Is that what you're having experiencing now?

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Speaker 1: They're saying they want to take your image and be

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Speaker 1: able to use it as many time as they won't.

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Speaker 1: That's like literally like they own that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So you know, if somebody uses my image against my will,

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Speaker 1: I should have the right to sue that person.

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Speaker 2: Makes sense? Wow, how do you how do you see

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Speaker 2: this being resolved if you could forecast.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, uh, I think I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of a lot more films like mine are going to

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Speaker 1: be made things outside of that system, uh, independently. And

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Speaker 1: I think once it trickles into the moviegoer and and

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Speaker 1: the public at large, when they realize what's being done

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Speaker 1: to their fellow Americans and they really empathize, I think

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Speaker 1: things will change. Yeah. I don't. I don't see if

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Speaker 1: the average person knows that these services are are just

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Speaker 1: you know, just screwing people and you and benefiting from

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Speaker 1: their hard work. I can't see how strussing in this

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Speaker 1: society that's you know, tried to correct a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: They they don't want to be on the wrong sidurdays,

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Speaker 1: and they very well might be once more and more

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Speaker 1: people learn about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, once the once the public is educated, once you

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Speaker 2: really understand what's happening in real time. And I don't

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Speaker 2: know when that moment will happen, but I do believe

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Speaker 2: it's unfair. And because they're does do the studios have

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Speaker 2: any pressure to to cave? Is there any incentive for

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Speaker 2: them to say, you know what, we should meet them halfway,

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Speaker 2: We should be giving them something There should be some

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Speaker 2: benefit for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. See, but the thing is it's the stock, it's

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Speaker 1: the shareholders their money. They're studios who really want to work,

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Speaker 1: you know, work at it, but shareholders are in it

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Speaker 1: for only monetary game. Sure, so they're not you know,

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Speaker 1: and they're not artists. But they're going to be affected

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Speaker 1: as well. Studios are missing out on a lot, but

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Speaker 1: they have content like it sustain them for a while.

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Speaker 2: Just a bit, not too much.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna that's going to run out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not anything good to watch. I'm surfing. I'm

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Speaker 2: surfing and surfing. Except for outlaw Johnny Black, I'm surfing

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Speaker 2: and surfing.

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Speaker 1: Thank god. Something. Well, yeah, we're we're doing something about know.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I feel like it's a great time

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Speaker 1: for us to come out because you know, in this

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Speaker 1: this devisive world right now, to get together and laugh

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Speaker 1: and really kind of I mean, I'm talking about it.

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Speaker 1: This is a story of like redemption and forgiveness and

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Speaker 1: moving on, and it takes things like you know, I

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Speaker 1: kind of crafted this after Black Wall Street, a town

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Speaker 1: that was founded by freed black people that were coming

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Speaker 1: into their prominence before you know, outside terror forces came

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Speaker 1: in to destroy their towns, and they were like over

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Speaker 1: one hundred atrocities like this in the United States. And

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Speaker 1: so we're well aware of the horrors of the past.

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Speaker 1: But I dare present a way that we can quit

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Speaker 1: it and put that in the past and move ahead

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Speaker 1: and obtain our our prosperous future.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful, Michael, beautiful. I have taken far too much

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Speaker 2: of your time. You have entertained me. I have been

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Speaker 2: tickled and educated. Thank you very much, I really do.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, why wouldn't I be because that's

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Speaker 2: what you do, so I appreciate it. I want to

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Speaker 2: say two things. Don't apologize to Marcus for judging him.

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Speaker 2: That's the first thing. So I'm sorry Marcus. And I

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Speaker 2: want to say thank you to Michael, because you are

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Speaker 2: such a pleasure and a delight. I'm not even offended.

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Speaker 2: You don't even remember me. We spent fifteen days together

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Speaker 2: straight in Africa. You're like, I don't remember your young lady.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Well, hey, I don't know. Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, remember when we was in Ghana in the Motherland.

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Speaker 1: Do you well? Yeah, I sound kind of bad when

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Speaker 1: you put it that way. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In the Motherland with the beat. Yeah, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for doing this. You're funny in a pleasure Please everybody,

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Speaker 2: God support outlaw Johnny Black. You're a treasure to the

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Speaker 2: culture and really really a genius. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, right.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: As we close out the podcast again, I want to

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Speaker 2: give Michael J. White thanks huge congratulations on this latest project.

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Speaker 2: He is a treasure and he should be appreciated for

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Speaker 2: what he's doing. But I also want everyone to understand

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Speaker 2: what he was talking about with the writer's strike and

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Speaker 2: the actors. These streaming services are not paying people for

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Speaker 2: the work that they are doing. It's only right pay

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Speaker 2: someone if you're going to use their name, image and likeness.

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Speaker 2: It's the same battle that is happening in sports. I'll

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Speaker 2: bring it back to my world. These student athletes have

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Speaker 2: been making millions, billions, let me correct myself, billions of

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Speaker 2: dollars for universities in the NCAA for years and years

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Speaker 2: and since its inception, and finally someone said enough is enough.

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Speaker 2: You have to pay these kids for what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: They're amateur athletes and they need to be paid as such.

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Speaker 2: And essentially that's what's happening with these actors and these writers,

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Speaker 2: they're not being paid for the work that they are doing,

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Speaker 2: and they're not being paid, but the shareholders are profiting.

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Speaker 2: These studios are making money, and they deserve their money,

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Speaker 2: they deserve their residuals, they deserve to be compensated for

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Speaker 2: their likeness. And so we stand firm with those who

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Speaker 2: are picketing and protesting and hopefully we can get this

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Speaker 2: resolved in a way that is kind and decent in

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Speaker 2: the meantime, in between time, we appreciate you for listening

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Speaker 2: to the podcast. We will be back next week. Have

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Speaker 2: a good one everyone,